JubiRev Review: “JubiBucks” investement scheme
There is no information on the JubiRev website indicating who owns or runs the company.
The JubiRev website domain (“jubirev.com”) was registered on the 3rd of January 2013, however the domain registration information is set to private.
A “Federal Trade Commission Compliance” notice is published on the JubiRev website, crediting ownership of the company to “JuviMax, Inc.” No further information is provided.
JubiRev’s Terms and Conditions mention that ‘arbitration shall be conducted in Whilmington, Delaware‘, indicating that the company is, at the very least, registered in the US state of Delaware.
Additional research into the company reveals that in February 2013 JubiRev affiliates promoting the opportunity named Randal Williams (also known as Randy Williams) as company President:
The above screenshot is of a conversation containing a skype transcript in which Randal Williams (of Dream Style Vacations Club, Fast Profits Daily, Profit Racer, Resort Cruise Club and GoFunRewards fame) announced he was “prelaunching” JubiRev.
Supporting this was a press release put out on January 31st 2013 by William’s last MLM venture GoFunRewards, announcing he had resigned from his position there:
Dear GoFun Affiliates,
You may have already learned that Mr. Randal Williams has recently resigned as the President of GoFun Places Inc. The Board of Directors has accepted Mr. Williams’ resignation.
The Board recognizes Mr. Randal Williams’ contribution to the company at early stage and wishes him success in his future career.
GoFun Places Management Team
After the initial chatter by affiliates and GoFunRewards press release however William’s involvement in JubiRev has not been clarified. At the time of publication of this review Williams hasn’t had any public involvement in JubiRev.
A few weeks ago a “J Joshua Beistle” started to appear on JubiRev marketing videos, credited as JubiRev’s President:
On his personal blog Beistle credits himself as being an ‘Attraction Marketing and Internet advertising authority‘ and focuses his efforts on internet marketing and lead generation.
Beistle offers his services through his company MyPhoneRoom, which was launched in 2009:
myPhoneRoom is located in sunny Phoenix, Arizona. Our staff consists of highly trained and courteous professionals that are here to serve your business.
myPhoneRoom specializes in the field of lead generation follow up marketing software systems.
It’s worth noting that Beistle has worked with Randal Williams in the past, with the two launching Dream Style Vacations Club back in 2009:
Dream Style Vacations Club doesn’t exist anymore with research indicating it was a recruitment driven MLM opportunity, paying afiliates commissions based on how many new affiliates they recruited into the scheme.
Putting two and two together, despite no mention of JubiRev’s management structure on their website, it’s highly probably that J Joshua Beistle and Randal Williams have teamed up again to launch JubiRev.
Read on for a full review of the JubiRev MLM business opportunity.
The JubiRev Product Line
JubiRev’s product line revolves around the website JubiMax. At the time of publication JubiMax isn’t live, however a marketing video on the JubiRev website mentions that JubiMax is an “e-commerce portal”.
The video also mentions weight-loss products and a travel portal but does not go into any specifics.
The JubiRev Compensation Plan
The JubiRev compensation plan largely revolves around the investment in JubiBucks by affiliates. These JubiBucks are then converted to JubiPoints which JubiRev then use to calculate an affiliate’s share of a bonus pool, made up of other affiliate’s JubiBucks investments.
JubiRev Membership Ranks
There are eight membership ranks in the JubiRev compensation plan and, along with their respective qualification criteria, they are as follows:
- Associate – entry level affiliate position
- Jade – at least $15 PQV a month
- Ruby – at least $50 PQV a month
- Emerald – at least $100 PQV a month
- Diamond – at least $200 PQV a month
- 1 Star Diamond – at least $200 PQV a month, recruit at least 3 active and qualified Diamond affiliates and have a total of $10,000 GV
- 2 Star Diamond – at least $200 PQV a month, recruit at least 3 active and qualified Diamond affiliates, have at least three 1 Star Diamond affiliates in your downline (only 1 in any given unilevel leg is countable) and have a total of $100,000 GV
- Presidential Diamond – at least $200 PQV a month, recruit at least 6 active and qualified Diamond affiliates, have at least three 2 Star Diamond affiliates in your downline (only 1 in any given unilevel leg is countable) and have a total of $150,000 GV
Note that GV stands for “Group Volume” and I believe includes monthly autoship purchases made by an affiliates downline.
PQV stands for “Personal Qualifying Volume” and includes an affiliate’s own purchases or that of their personally recruited affiliates and customers.
JubiRev Commission Qualification
In order to qualify for commissions, JubiRev affiliates must be both active and qualified and have generated at least 2 separate non-affiliate sales.
Active and qualified status is achieved when an affiliate spends $15 of their own money each month within the company and generates $30 of sales through 2 non-affiliate customers.
Note that this is an ongoing monthly requirement.
JubiBucks
JubiBucks is a virtual currency within the JubiRev compensation plan. JubiRev affiliates can either exchange real money for JubiBucks directly themselves, generate them via the sale of products through their replicated JubiMax shopping portals to retail customers, or generate them via participation in the Daily Leadership Bonus Award (see below).
JubiBucks can be used to purchase products and services via the JubiMax e-commerce portal or given away to JubiMax customers.
Retail Commissions
JubiRev offer affiliates retail commissions when customers purchase products through an affiliate’s replicated JubiMax shopping portal.
- Associate and Jade – 5%
- Ruby – 7%
- Emerald – 8%
- Diamond or higher – 10%
Note that JubiRev do not pay out retail commissions in cash, they are paid out in JubiBucks.
Daily Leadership Bonus Award
JubiRev’s Daily Leadership Bonus Award revolves around the generation of JubiPoints by its affiliates.
JubiPoints are generated by affiliates when they give away JubiBucks to JubiMax customers (1 JubiBuck = 1 JubiPoint). They can also be generated by an affiliate using them to purchase products or services through JubiMax, however only 0.5 JubiPoints are generated per JubiBuck spent.
JubiBucks are generated either via direct investment by an affiliate of real money, or paid out as a commission when a customer purchases products through an affiliate’s replicated JubiRev shopping portal.
When an affiliate generates JubiPoints, they are then used to calculate an affiliate’s share of a daily revenue pool, which JubiRev claims is made up of around 50% of the company’s ‘commissionable sales volume and other metrics‘.
In regards to the 50% figure, the JubiRev compensation plan cited for this review states the following contradiction:
The company will share up to 50% or more of this award with Active Qualified Promoters based upon their qualifications at time of calculation.
Whether less than and up to 50% or more than 50% is put into the Daily Leadership Award Bonus is unclear.
Note that in order to qualify for the Daily Leadership Bonus Award, JubiRev affiliates must be active, publish a JubiMax ad on the internet daily (supplied by the company), be at the Jade membership rank or higher.
For each day an affiliate qualifies, they are then entitled to a share of the Daily Leadership Bonus Award, provided they have JubiPoints.
JubiPoints continue to pay out a share of the Daily Leadership Bonus Award but do eventually expire, dependent on an affiliate’s membership rank:
- Jade – 80 days
- Ruby – 85 days
- Emerald – 95 days
- Diamond – 105 days
Affiliates can cash out up to 60% of their Daily Leadership Bonus Award, with the remainder paid out as JubiBucks. If an affiliate does not wish to cash out 60% (or a lower percentage) of their daily award, they can opt to receive their entire daily award in JubiBucks.
These JubiBucks can then be used to generate more JubiPoints, thus increasing an affiliate’s share in the Daily Leadership Bonus Award over time (on the assumption that enough JubiBucks are generated each day to cover the expiry of existing JubiPoints).
Initially an affiliate must maintain 45 PQV points a month, with 30 of these points ($30) coming from customer autoships or JubiMax replicated shopping portal purchases.
After 25,000 JubiPoints have been generated however these requirements increase to 200 PQV a month, with 60 points coming from customer autoships or JubiMax replicated shopping portal purchases.
JubiPoint balances greater than 25,000 are also capped 20 times an affiliate’s downline, customer JubiBuck purchases (including JubiRev replicated store purchases).
A weekly payment cap is also enforced, with affiliates able to withdraw a maximum of $100,000 a week.
Daily Leadership Bonus Award Matching Bonus
Two matching bonuses are available to JubiRev affiliates.
The first is paid out on the Daily Leadership Award Bonus paid out to direct recruits, their recruits and their recruits (3 levels), as follows:
- Jade – 5% on level 1 and 1% on levels 2 and 3
- Ruby – 7% on level 1, 3% on level 2 and 1% on level 3
- Emerald – 10% on level 1, 3% on level 2 and 1% on level 3
- Diamond or higher – 10% on level 1, 5% on level 2 and 1% on level 3
The second matching bonus is paid out on an affiliate’s entire downline (down 8 levels of recruitment), again subject to the affiliate’s membership rank as follows:
- Emerald – 0.5% on levels 1 and 2
- Diamond – 0.5% on levels 1 to 3
- 1 Star Diamond – 0.5% on levels 1 to 4
- 2 Star Diamond – 0.5% on levels 1 to 6
- Presidential Diamond – 0.5% on levels 1 to 8
Both matching bonuses are paid out daily as JubiBucks, with 60% being redeemable as cash.
Any cash withdrawn as matching bonuses is not subject to the $100,000 Daily Leadership Award Bonus withdrawal cap.
Team Power Bonuses
Offered in addition to retail commissions, JubiRev affiliates are also able to earn Team Power Bonuses on ‘the sales on all JubiBuck Packages, JubiBrands and JubiResort membership’ by their downlines and customers.
The Team Power Bonus offered in two variants, as per the Daily Leadership Award Bonus above (3 levels of direct recruitment and 8 levels of team recruitment).
JubiBucks Autoship Bonus
When a recruited affiliate or customer signs up for a monthly autoship of JubiBucks, JubiRev pay out a “Customer Acquisition Bonus” on the first month’s autoship fees.
This bonus is paid on three levels of affiliate recruitment as follows:
- Jade – 10% on level 1
- Ruby – 15% on level 1
- Emerald – 15% on level 1 and 5% on level 2
- Diamond – 15% on level 1 and 5% on level 2 and 3
- 1 Star Diamond – 20% on level 1 and 5% on levels 2 and 3
- 2 Star Diamond – 20% on level, 10% on level 2 and 5% on level 3
- 3 Star Diamond – 20% on level 1 and 10% on levels 2 and 3
Unilevel Commissions
Paid out on 8 levels of a unilevel compensation structure (direct recruits on level 1, their recruits on level 2, their recruits on level 3 etc.), JubiRev’s unilevel commissions are paid on monthly autoship fees and JubiMax products and services purchased by an affiliate’s downline and their customers.
- Associate – 5% on level 1
- Jade – 5% on levels 1 and 2
- Ruby – 5% on levels 1 to 3
- Emerald – 5% on levels 1 to 4
- Diamond – 5% on levels 1 to 5
- 1 Star Diamond – 5% on levels 1 to 6
- 2 Star Diamond – 5% on levels 1 to 7
- Presidential Diamond – 5% on levels 1 to 8
These unilevel commissions are paid out as JubiBucks, with 60% of each payment able to be cashed out.
Unilevel Check Match Bonus
The Unilevel Check Match Bonus is paid out on the unilevel commission earnings of an affiliates recruited downline.
The Unilevel Check Match Bonus is paid out on three levels of recruitment, dependent on an affiliate’s membership rank:
- Ruby – 5% on level 1
- Emerald – 5% on levels 2 and 3
- Diamond – 10% on level 1 and 5% on levels 2 and 3
- 1 Star Diamond – 15% on level 1 and 5% on levels 2 and 3
- 2 Star Diamond – 15% on level 1, 10% on level 2 and 5% on level 3
- Presidential Diamond – 15% on level 1 and 10% on levels 2 and 3
Car Bonus
Referred to as the JubiStyle Bonus, Diamond or higher ranked JubiRev affiliates qualify for a $700 a month car bonus.
This car bonus can be exchanged for a $375 cash bonus, upon condition that an affiliate’s own personal car is branded with JubiRev logos.
Joining JubiRev
Affiliate membership to JubiRev is free for the first year and $49 each year thereafter
Affiliates do need to be active and qualified to earn commissions which can be an additional cost, as per the JubiBucks autoship packs:
- Jub-15 – $15 a month (generates 15 PQV)
- Jub-50 $50 a month (generates 50 PQV)
- Jub-100 – $100 a month (generates 100 PQV)
- Jub-200 – $200 a month (generates 200 PQV)
Conclusion
If I didn’t know any better, I’d suggest that JubiRev appears to have been created by someone who is upset the SEC put a stop to their participation in the $600M Zeek Rewards Ponzi scheme.
Point for point, the two schemes are pretty much identical in their core revenue-sharing aspect. Whereas Zeek Rewards was hitched to a penny auction, JubiRev is hitched to an e-commerce shopping portal.
The idea seems to be that in shifting to an e-commerce shopping portal that JubiRev will somehow not suffer the same fate as Zeek Rewards.
And that’d make sense, except for the fact that penny auctions are not illegal in the US. Neither are e-commerce shopping malls for that matter but that’s besides the point.
The SEC didn’t bust up Zeek Rewards because it was a penny auction, they busted it because it was a $600M Ponzi scheme.
Despite all the marketing crap you might hear about the shopping mall, travel portal and whatever else is attached to JubiRev – at the end of the day functionally it’s pretty much identical to Zeek Rewards.
You sign up as an affiliate, you invest in JubiBucks (Zeek Rewards was “sample bids”), you dump these on fake customer accounts (let’s not pretend these are real people, the SEC report on Zeek Rewards confirmed the complete absence of legit customer activity), and JubiRev pay you a daily share of money.
Where does that money come from? Whatever was invested that day in JubiBucks by new and existing JubiRev affiliates.
In order to convert JubiBucks to points JubiMax customers have to “register” their JubiBucks (click their mouse button a few times?).
This will most likely stop the automation of fake customer accounts we saw with Zeek Rewards, however there’s nothing stopping an affiliate from creating their own. Typically family member’s names are used, although depending on the security setup on JubiRev’s end, bogus details are also likely.
Moreso when you consider 2 accounts need to be created for each JubiRev affiliate participating in the daily revenue share.
With no cap on the amount of JubiBucks able to be dumped on these accounts, realistically unless a JubiRev affiliate is looking to reach the higher ranks of the compensation plan (the only benefit being to increase the days JubiPoints pay out for), most affiliates are only going to wind up creating 2 dummy customer accounts.
Up until the Diamond membership rank, an affiliate can pretty much self-fund their qualification for their share of JubiRev’s daily Ponzi scheme payouts. The JubiBucks autoship amounts matching the PQV requirements is obviously no co-incidence.
Affiliates will still need to funnel some of the money back through dummy customer accounts but the key ingredient of actually selling something to retail customers is completely missing.
I’d like to say the MLM industry learnt something from the collapse of Zeek Rewards (if they weren’t the SEC didn’t shut them down they were mathematically scheduled for collapse in the next few months anyway), but it seems that’s not the case.
Here we have a near identical Ponzi scheme points style compensation plan with the only difference being they’ve changed “sample bids” to “JubiBucks” and exchanged the Zeekler penny auction for the JubiMax “e-commerce shopping portal”.
Some additional rules have been created to prolong the inevitable collapse (or regulatory shutdown), such as a weekly withdrawal cap and 60% daily withdrawal rule, however sooner or later inevitably the liabilities owed to existing investors will exceed new money being pumped into the scheme.
As with Zeek Rewards, we can sit around and pretend this isn’t going to wind up being another affiliate funded Ponzi scheme but with the demonstratable example of Zeek Rewards that defense isn’t going to carry much weight.
Amusingly JubiRev provide the following compliance disclaimer on their website:
INVESTMENTS, STOCKS & EQUITY
YOU AGREE THAT WE ARE NOT PURCHASING “STOCK” OR ANY OTHER FORM OF “INVESTMENT” OR “EQUITY”, AND THAT THERE ARE NO INCOME GUARANTEES MADE OR ASSUMED.
It’s almost like they’re preempting the inevitable. Honestly, when was the last time a legitimate MLM company had to warn everyone they weren’t purchasing ‘stock or any other form of investment or equity’?
And as for income guarantees, come off it guys. As with Zeek Rewards this system doesn’t work unless affiliates invest in JubiBucks on the assumption JubiRev will pay them enough money over 8o to 105 days to not only cover their initial investment, but provide enough to grow an affiliate’s JubiPoints point balance.
The same implied guarantee that existed in Zeek Rewards quite obviously exists in JubiRev too. Hell it has to, all Ponzi schemes have one otherwise nobody would participate in them.
JubiRev could legitimately pay out if JubiMax was used as such by legitimate retail customers, but Zeek Rewards showed us that when coupled with a points based revenue sharing scheme, that this is not the case.
In Zeek Rewards less than one-quarter of one percent of bids given away were actually used by the “customers” these bids were given to. With a near identical compensation plan, you think an e-commerce shopping portal is going to change that?
Whether JubiRev is left to collapse on its own or the SEC shut them down for selling unregistered securities in the form of JubiBucks after they get big enough to attract attention, this isn’t going to end well.
You know whats Ironic, lol, The President of JubiRev JubiMax is J.Joshua Beistle he’s also the President of myphoneroom.
The Banner with his Picture is right next to this Article Oz, and you didnt even mention him anywhere your review.
@Eric
“Behind” MLM implies that something is in the background, using mlm as a cover/shield. In the context of what Oz does here, it means… that SOMETIMES… what appears to be a straight up mlm ,may be something that’s just HIDING behind it.
This is his blog and he can do what he wants. With that said, he has stated numerous times that his purpose here is to examine and review the business models to see what is indeed there. Not to show you what business you can get into to.
If you will go though all his reviews (and there are a lot of them) you can use the information he has gathered and make your own choice. There is quite a bit of neutral reviews at best, just maybe not the one you wanted to hear good things about.
@Eric — step back and *think* about the situation for a minute…
How can this company know how much to pay its affiliates if it hadn’t even revealed what the **** the affiliates are supposed to be selling to the masses?
Either the stuff it will be selling is so insanely profitable (we’re talking way more than 50% gross profit) that it KNOWS the company can pay out whatever the MLM commissions need be…
Or it’s NOT making money on selling the products, but rather convince people to sign up and PRETEND to be selling the products but in reality is BUYING the products (i.e. self-consumption!)
Put it plainly, “eCommerce Portal” and “Travel Portal” are NOT profitable.
There’s NO profit in reselling travel, not when airlines and hotels are going to giant aggregators (Orbitz, hotel.com, Travelocity, Hotwire…) and/or direct sell from their home websites.
Same with eCommerce Portal. You can sell almost anything on eBay, CafePress, Etsy, etc. Or start your own store with Amazon / Amazon affiliates.
There *may* be some profit in nutritional supplements, but those companies are a dime a dozen.
So where is the profit coming from to pay all the affiliates? How does the company *know* it will be profitable when two of its supposedly core markets are NOT profitable?
Clearly there’s something we’re not seeing, and they’re not telling.
So your decision is simple… Can what you do NOT know hurt you?
@Craig
Not sure what banner you’re talking about.
@Oz,
Great review, as always, pointing out the obvious on this well disguised ponzi scheme.
You have taught us well as I have been waiting for your review to support what I have been warning others of and will now send them here to read it for themselves from a credible source.
JubiRev has dressed their program well for the dance and should have success for some time fooling many. It will not change the inevitable outcome in the end, as you have stated above.
However, how could you miss such an obvious detail and not point out the current president of the company? Your very first comment from Craig summed it up pretty clearly and your response was “not sure what you’re talking about?”
Well, just look near the top right of your home page or go back to the top of this articles page and you have a large banner advertisement just to the right with a picture of the owner of MyPhoneRoom.
The picture of the person in the advertisement is of J.Joshua Beistle who as of Feb 21st was officially announced as the President and leader of JubiRev/Jubi Max.
From the JubiRev News:
If you and your readers want to see and hear J.Joshua Beistle, owner of MyPhoneRoom, first hand promoting JubiRev/JubiMax live he is being displayed by JubiRev affiliates all over YouTube.
I just think it is VERY IMPORTANT to your readers to know all the facts and truths when looking at an opportunity, even if the President, leader and head promoter of what you have exposed to be a Zeek style ponzi is a current advertiser on your site with one of his other companies.
Sorry but T. Lemont Silver promoting a program with J.Joshua Beistle as their President and leader will not make it any more credible to the government than Dawn Wright-Olivares pounding the drum for Zeek or Kevin Thompson’s video endorsements of Bidify.
When you take off the designer clothes and expensive make-up from a well dressed pig we all know that it’s still just an animal that goes “oink” in the night.
@B Radison
If you’re talking about Adsense I think you guys are seeing completely different ads to me. I can’t see J Joshua Beistle anywhere.
Does anyone know what happened to Randal Williams and whether or not he’s still involved? He was being heavily promoted as the President of JubiRev back in January but now seems to have disappeared.
If I can’t find out what happened I might change the intro to the article to focus solely on Beistle till JubiRev officially announce their management structure.
Sorry Oz, I didn’t realize that is an Adsense ad on your site which you cannot control and may be showing different ads to different viewers. Obviously MyPhoneRoom.com is the ad some of us are seeing. At first it just looks like a banner ad you sold on your site. My bad.
I’m guessing Randal Williams was just internet chatter by affiliates after his departure from GoFunRewards. It may have leaked out that they were considering him for president but J.Joshua Beistle probably had the cleaner image for their company “straw man” that could better perpetuate their scheme.
The lure of easy money is sometimes too hard to resist…
No worries B. Adsense are geographically targeted so I’m assuming Beastle is targeting keywords (“JubiRev” etc) or some such and you guys are seeing it in the US (or wherever you are). I see completely different ads than what US readers see most of the time.
I’ll leave the info about Williams up till the weekend and if nothing surfaces leave mention of it up but remove the history and put up what I can find on Beistle instead.
Of course all of this might have been avoided if the JubiRev was nothing more than a glorified affiliate capture page with little to no information about the company itself on there, but I digress.
OOooo, must be one of those Ad generators on your site, I can see the banner, because was on the myphoneroom site earlier.
Variable date expiry? This is starting to sound more and more like those HYIPs “choose your term” deals.
From the article:
JUVIMAX is a registered tradename (TM), belonging to a company in Texas, AMEREJUVE INC.
http://www.trademarken.com/list/0/mark/JUVIMAX
I seriously doubt “Juvimax, Inc.” is the correct name for the company organising Jubirev/Jubimax.
Review updated to clarify what is currently publicly known about JubiRev management.
Of no great surprise, most of the “Sponsors” from Zeek Rewards are touting all of these other programs, including JubiRev. When one ship sinks, the rats swim over to another “opportunity”.
I wish I had found this review earlier! What a fool I am.
Anyway, I was looking up JubiMax physical location since its not automatically listed on their webpage and it was annoying me. The only thing I was able to find was this: http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/main.p (FILE NUMBER: L17436215)
I’m not familiar with Zeek rewards but at least I didn’t invest more than $25. Now I understand why no one will join me and how the list of names of people who had a high count got those “people” to join.
Fraud fraud fraud. I want my coffee money back.
And here is a new address according to the new pdf agreement (12 pages long!):
That’s a virtual office:
http://www.suitesolutions.bm/offices.html
Any chance I can get a copy of that agreement?
IIRS, DreamStyle Vacations was a TVI Express clone, a whole slew that got popularized after TVI Express made it big.
Pat Dejour, one of those in TVI Express Georgia that got served “cease and desist”, jumped to DreamStyle Vacation after his stint at TVI Express was brought to a screeching halt.
Finally received a reply to my question at support. It took them a while to figure out what they wanted to say.
You may download the pdf here: jubipdf.weebly.com
Why make a weebly site why not just paste the URL?
jubimax.com/members/JubiMaxCompPlan-final.pdf
Randall Williams is behind jubirev. He left gofunrewards after it was found out that he, as president, created 3 million lifestyle dollars and gave to his friends. Subsequently, these guys went to max cash out (60%) I believe. They, collectively, jumped ship to jubirev using gofun money to bankroll.
Gofun board of directors, sniffed it out. They asked for resignation of Randall Williams. He resigned. He has a bad reputation, that is why he is off grid with jubirev. T. Lamont is a cronie who does the hype calls for him. Note: the calls are damn entertaining.
Surprisingly, gofun is honoring payout on 3 million bogus lifestyle dollars. (good p.r. I suppose)
Jubirev is worth watching. Just like train wrecks, it is impossible to turn away
@Eric
Probably because he was linking to the affiliate agreement.
You’ve linked to the compensation plan…
Former ZeekRewards affiliates should probably read the other JubiRev article and some of the comments there.
https://behindmlm.com/companies/jubirev-affiliate-call-endorses-passive-investment/
People seriously BELIEVED the penny auctions in Zeekler were extremely profitable. Have you ever heard anyone say something similar about e-commerce portals or JubiBucks? 🙂
Ordinary people were literally THROWING Cashier Checks at Paul Burks, faster than he was able to cash them in. The Receiver found around 85,000 uncashed checks in different payment institutions and in Zeek’s office.
JubiRev affiliates will have a hard time trying to convince ordinary people about how “extremely profitable” e-commerce portals are, and how “addictive” they can be when people first start shopping there. 🙂
Oz has already calculated the longevity of the program?
80-105 days before it starts to collapse, when people are withdrawing more money than they are putting in.
Membership fees and the 60% rule will increase the time, but all the different commissions will decrease it.
At first I wanted to join Jubirev. After a friend told me that until now he has not received his Jubicard (after 21 days of order), I felt uncomfortable to join this company.
According to my friend, the company claimed that he has made no payment but a report from the credit card bannk issuer show the deduction is made on 1st March 2013.
It is recommended that people stay away from this company.
He should potentially try a chargeback, a reversal of the credit card transaction? I can’t ADVISE anyone to do so, I will rather advise people to act fair.
A chargeback will of oourse violate his agreement and lead to termination of his membership. “Act fair” (or fairly) means he probably should terminate it himself if a chargeback is performed.
He should potentially pay for the card, but that expense can potentially be considered to be already paid through membership fees.
I have no experience in using chargebacks or terminating agreements like this. I’m simply REPEATING some ideas that have been discussed here.
@Oz, did you nuke “Eric” comments? I know he’s an arrogant foul-mouthed SOB, but I was hoping to cite his bogosity in a different Jubi topic. And now I can’t find any of them! 😀
Chargeback sounds enticing except at the present I can see no reason why the credit card company would, pending further investigation, issue you a credit. You did after all enter into an agreement which, as far as I can tell, has not been breached by Jubi. To the contrary the breach would be on your part if you disputed the charge. What legal basis do you have to renege? You read that some lawsuits were filed and you changed your mind? I think you need more than that. Was the product unsuitable or not as advertised? Perhaps, but Jubi would dispute it.
Companies are sued all the time. That alone does not entitle a customer to a refund and most suits are settled out with no finding of fault.
Make sure you have a sound basis for disputing your charge and hope that a lot of people do the same thing which will escalate the issue with the credit card company.
@Kasey Yeah he was just baiting to derail.
Quite correct logic, but I have some different conclusions on some parts. I have used additional logics.
If you have serious and substantiated reasons to believe your money has been paid to a scam, and you’re about to lose your money without getting the promised “goods” in exchange, you should probably be PROACTIVE and initiate steps to prevent that from happening.
The promised “goods” in JubiRev is the income opportunity, and it is probably an illegal investment scam. That’s reason #2 for being proactive.
Breach of contract is a normal step. You’re probably thinking of being sued for contract breach? Look at it from the other party’s viewpoint, how tempting it is to bring a case like that before a court?
I have analysed some “key aspects” of the case, e.g. whether the JubiBucks are products or not. JubiRev’s lawyers and management will avoid at all cost having a court (or SEC) looking into that issue.
People will have to find their own solutions and make their own decisions. For some people, chargeback will probably feel like the right solution. I advised THEM to act fairly, e.g. be willing to cover some costs if needed. I advised them to inform the company about the termination if they use a method like that.
People who believes in the business should of course avoid solutions like that. It’s a clear violation of their agreements, a serious one.
1. Perform a chargeback (arguments will follow)
2. Disconnect your credit card / account from transactions initiated by JubiRev. That means get a NEW credit card.
3. Termination letter
Use similar arguments for the chargeback. The bank or credit card provider simply can’t deny it. Your MAIN motive is to prevent yourself from being involved in anything illegal, another motive is to protect your own financial interests.
Don’t use my version directly, write your own. My version is a 2 minute suggestion, and I kept it short to avoid drowning people in information.
The credit card company will make the determination. They have a staff that identifies questionable charges Make some noise. Jubi will not be suing you for breach and you will certainly not be suing them. Just give the credit card company what they need, substantiate your reasons, and be patient. You will probably get your money back
Randall Williams is not behind Jubirev you have to get your facts straight and the company is in British virgin.
You are not making an investment you are purchasing products, people don’t believe everything you hear that’s all I’m saying.
That isn’t necessary. Use completely rational arguments. I can probably fill in some of them, e.g. the details for why you’re in doubt about the legality.
Doubt is ENOUGH, you don’t have to “prove it” by drowning them in different details. ONE valid argument is enough.
I have used a “sales strategy” in my arguments. The credit card provider will respond to it, they simply don’t have any other options. I identified the MAIN motive to be about being involved in illegal activity, something that is outside their “jurisdiction” to decide.
I have used another strategy too. Advising people to act fairly will reduce the risk of emotional reactions from JubiRev’s management. This is solely about protecting the MONEY, not about causing as much trouble as possible. It will probably be respected.
“Make some noise” is a colloquial expression meaning “get someone’s attention.” Its figurative not literal.
The expression might be figurative, but PEOPLE comes in all different shapes and sizes, and some of them are literally very noisy. 🙂
I expect people to use their own heads. I won’t write any “recipes” for how to do something, but I can briefly analyse IDEAS for how to do it or come up with my own ideas.
I’m a salesman by nature, so I’m EXPECTED to visualize or explain logically the IDEAS for how to use something, rather than just dumping a solution right in front of people.
Yes there are noisy people but the phrase “make some noise” has nothing to do with decibel levels.
@Kevin
Orly? Whos is then?
Invest in JubiBucks, dump them on customer accounts you created/bought and earn a daily ROI for a fixed number of days depending on how much you pay JubiRev each month in membership fees.
What products?
Good advice.
@Hossy
That’s why I don’t write articles in English. I will miss some of the nuances in “normal communication”, and I’m not equipped with the skills for “specialised communication” either.
But that is actually an interesting advantage if I use it correctly. I’m pretty sure I will be able to make it become a part of a “solution to something” sooner or later.
I have read through the articles on Jubirev/max and I decided to close my account because you guys were the first to let me know about Zeek and I thank you because I was able to pull out before it shut down.
However, after deleting my account, my sponsor sent jubibucks directly to me and asked me to use them and order the products. Just to answer your question, I ordered weightloss products, $200 worth.
I ordered the Max slim Formula, Max Natural Super Food Shake, Max Cardio Formula, & the Max Energy Mixer (1oz vial – 12 pack). All I paid was $22 for over $200 worth of products.
I am not sure if I will ever get the products. I am not sure if they work. I am just not sure but I did order them with the $200 Jubibucks he sent to me in an email and I got a confirmation on the jubisite but I didn’t get an email confirming my order.
It still looks very shady and untrustworthy though. They also have a skin care line but I didn’t order any of that. So they do have a product, just waiting to see if its true or not. If it isn’t then I just wasted $22 but at least it wasn’t the full $200 + the tax, shipping and handling of $22.
Just FYI… I’m still following your lead though. 🙂
@Observant
The problem?
Your sponsor pumped $200 into the scheme and bought nothing. You pumped in $22 as a customer (assuming you aren’t still an affiliate).
JubiRev, as with Zeek Rewards is still majority affiliate-funded with affiliates earning a daily ROI directly proportional to what they invest (“give away”) in the scheme. Whether the JubiBucks are used or not doesn’t matter, nor is it tied into how affiliates are paid.
They recently implemented a cap, but with vendors plugged into the system flogging fake customers as with Zeek Rewards, caps don’t matter.
The Ponzi points sytem, regardless of what it’s attached to is just asking for trouble in the long-term.
British Virgin Islands allows international companies, i.e. “shell companies” that only exist on paper, never actually operate in BVI. Some recent email seem to suggest that they don’t want to end up like Zeek (shut down by US authorities)
They should heed examples though. TVI Express, registered in India and Cypress, was kicked out by ONE US state, Georgia, and that finished it in the US any way.
Besides, why would JubiRev care about “FTC compliance” if they are not worried about US law enforcement, hmmm? FTC is American, yes?
Sounds like a bunch of bull****.
Thanks Oz. I understand… I did cancel out my account and I still haven’t received a confirmation or products despite the fact that I have contacted and sent in support tickets.
The only response was that they are looking into it… 🙁 #scam
Yesterday I received my products and I believe they are great from the list of ingredients. If I understand you correctly though, the product doesn’t mean a thing if I am not purchasing them with my own money as a customer.
I have received jubibucks from an affiliate to purchase the product so therefore it is an investment scheme and probably won’t last right?
You have received the products for free. For JubiMax, that’s a loss of profit rather than revenue, but it makes the JubiBucks look like (FEEL like) real money for people investing in them.
JubiBucks are virtual money. Revenue and profit can only derive from real monetary transactions, not from virtual ones. But people can be led to BELIEVE JubiBucks are equal to real money, and be willing to buy them to make a profit on them.
The products you received for free is simply “marketing expenses”, just like giving away samples to potential customers. But they’re marketing the income opportunity rather than the products.
They’re trying to attract investors to the income opportunity rather than consumers to the products. Any consumer paying with JubiBucks is an EXPENSE rather than an income. But that expense is needed to make it look like real business (just like Zeek did with sample bids).
Virtual money isn’t a bad thing in itself. Different types of virtual currencies have been around for hundreds of years, e.g. casino chips or slot machine tokens. It becomes bad when people can invest or reinvest them.
If you pay $1,000 for casino chips, and can invest the casino chips in a “plan” that pays out 1.5% per day in casino chips, and you can reinvest casino chips each day, at the end of 90 days you will have 3,800 casino chips, but they will not be worth more than the $1,000 you initially invested.
But if they can make you BELIEVE the casino chips are worth $3,800 you will probably continue to reinvest them, rather than trying to withdraw them as money. If enough people BELIEVE casino chips are equal to real money ($1 per chip), new investors will be willing to put real money in.
Experienced Ponzi players KNOW this game, and they will make sure they get more than their initial investments back. Some of them don’t have to invest any money at all, they only need to bring in some NEW investors.
Casino chips used in a poker game works differently. If 100 players buy $1,000 in chips each, the total amount of chips is worth $100,000. At the end of the game, the total amount of chips will still be worth the same $100,000 as they initially put in as real money.
In Ponzi schemes, the number of chips will increase, and people will BELIEVE each chip is worth the same as before. When the organizers and people near the top have withdrawn their share (e.g. $100,000 total), there will only be worthless chips left for the other players. Lots of chips, but very little money.
Thank you soooooo much. I completely understand now!!!
What you (as a consumer) see as “$200 worth of goods” have probably a production cost of $20-$30 (10-15% of the retail price, but that depends on the TYPE of goods). The difference is the “profit margin”.
If you pay $200 for the goods, the company will make a gross profit of $170-$180, but the net profit will be much lower. Net profit = gross profit minus expenses.
If you pay 200 JubiBucks for the same products, you haven’t brought in any NEW money into the system, you have only “recirculated” some JubiBucks. The company will have lost $20-$30 worth of goods, but if that can convince an investor to invest $1,000 in JubiBucks the company has still made a gross profit of $970-$980.
As marketing expenses, giving away $200 (retail) of products is a relatively inexpensive method (but that depends on the TYPE of product for HOW inexpensive it is). The method gives a full $200 value in marketing, but the cost is only $30 plus S&H (Shipping & Handling).
The marketing expenses will become a problem if too many “free consumers” are joining the company, rather than income opportunity seekers willing to invest. So you can simply look at its other marketing to see what type of business it is. If it primarily tries to attract INVESTORS (affiliates) it’s most likely a Ponzi scheme.
All these ‘investment these, investment that’ is sickening. Give me a break! And if you don’t mind, cut Jubimax some slacks. Please.
Jubibucks are dumped on fake accounts, you say. By ‘fake’ you mean non-existent accounts i guess. OK, are the poeple behind those accounts also non-existent? Pure ghosts or aliens that don’t desire to own or use an energy drink?
For example, I’m a member affiliate of Flyguymarketing or any other CPA network, where I’m induced to signup an offer from a client. I agree that most times the offers are at best irrelevant to my needs at the moment, but once in a while I login to find a ofer of desirable quality. Can you honestly call me ‘fake’? Or at least a lead?
Look, the truth be told, if jubimax acquires the skill required to work just a fraction of the huge amount of leads they’re are generating, and they continue to obtain a constant supply of Skin care or wieghtloss products, just those two. Its a HUGE success you’re looking at here.
Infact the Profit share aspect may even colapse entirely like you’ve predicted, all they need do is tweak the comp plan a little to favor more of product sales than gift cards.
You see, like we tell them on our team, what you need as an affiliate coming in to Jubirev is a good understanding of how to build relationship with the free give aways, not just on the Leadership bonus.
And you OZ, you need to believe in change. MLM is not going to be a 2 by 2 or 3 matrix forever. Innovation that beat the norms hands down is going to keep coming our way on this planet.
I agree. The post Zeek Rewards MLM world is appalling. Moreso when you consider what people think they’ll get away with in the long-term right under the nose of the SEC.
You guess wrong. The accounts exist, they’re just created by affiliates and/or third-party “customer purchase” vendors.
“Dummy accounts” is probably more accurate. We saw this in Zeek and every other revenue share MLM after it.
Yeah that’s the theory. Too bad it doesn’t work like that in practice. As time goes on these companies just cant keep up with the demand of thousands (hundred of thousands?) of customers affiliates need to dump thier
VIP bidsJubiBucks onto.Meanwhile affiliates in these schemes don’t even care if the customers are real or not, only that they have somewhere to dump their JubiBucks into so they can generate Ponzi points.
Invest in JubiBucks, dump them on dummy accounts. Earn enough to cover your required customer spend and take it out of your ROI.
Sorry, what work?
As long as the Ponzi points sytem is rolling, retail product sales are not going to be the focus.
I should certainly hope not.
Perhaps, but there’s nothing innovative about attaching a Ponzi scheme to an MLM compensation plan. It’s been done (many times) before.
How do you define “leads” in that idea? Do you mean “potential new retail customers” or “potential new affiliates”?
A company will CLEARLY need retail customers paying for the goods with real money to become profitable for the investors. Affiliates investing money can’t replace that.
If your definition of “HUGE success” is about many affiliates rather than about many retail customers, you have simply failed to understand how legit businesses works.
Giving away (or spending) JubiBucks isn’t profitable in itself. Profit is generated from a stream of real money, typically from external customers buying goods. A stream of JubiBucks can’t replace a stream of real money.
You can simply look at the number of real customers you have brought in and how much they have spent, to decide how HUGE the success or failure has been. Few customers spending real money = HUGE failure for a real business. It will be a huge failure regardless of the number of investors they have attracted.
For a fraud, it doesn’t really matter WHERE the money comes from, from customers or from investors. So they can focus on attracting investors rather than customers. You can analyse JubiRev and JubiMax yourself, it should be relatively visible what TYPE of “money streams” they’re trying to attract.
1 Jubibuck given to a non-affiliate gives you 1 Jubipoint, but if given to an affiliate it gets only half a point. @M_Norway tell me, what type of ‘Money Sreams’ are they keen on atracting?
@Observant stated above that he got $200 worth of products paying only $22 out of pocket. And by now, Jubirev have almost ALL his vital contact, including his shipping address. Tell me OZ, can you honestly call him a ‘Dummy lead’ just because he didn’t pay for the samples he got?
C’mon, guys the rev share is more of a rapid lead generation/ customer retention strategy. Doesn’t mean it can’t be tweaked or removed entirely when the need arises!
Yeah, got it.
Where does the money come from? Affiliates. Who is it paid out to? Affiliates. How do you earn more money? Pump more money into the system.
Do you got it?
No, he’s clearly not one of the thousands of dummy accounts that will be created to dump jubipoints onto as people’s balances increase exponentially over time.
I hear Fly Guy Marketing has direct API access into the JubiRev database… hell it’s Zeek Rewards’ fake customers all over again.
You can invent whatever names you want. By any other name it’s an affiliate funded Ponzi scheme.
And let’s not pretend they’re going to remove the revenue share. Every single affiliate who joined JubiRev at launch did so only for the revenue-share.
Zeek Rewards created a whole new generation of Ponzi scheme seekers and they’ll seemingly join anything to recapture that virtual Ponzi points buzz.
@ExelTeam
I ended up basically getting those products for free. The affiliate thinks he paid for it but he really didn’t. He put $200 worth of recyclable money into jubi and received jubibucks (monopoly money) that he gave to me.
I spent the jubibucks (again…monopoly money) to receive my products while he invested $200 into the company. The $200 he invested went into the company pool in order to pay out the daily ROI not to purchase the products.
Once the affiliates start to withdraw money and they don’t have enough affiliates joining, the company will fail.
SHE guys… SHE!!! I’m a Female! LOL! 🙂
Signed Mrs.Observant
@Observant
Have you received the products yet?
After using them I’d be curious to know whether or not you’d consider spending your own money on them in the future (which is the whole idea).
With affiliates generating exponentially increasing amounts of JubiBucks via the ROI though you might not have to (especially when the daily ROI is enough to cover the minimum customer auto-spends after a set amount of JubiBucks have been dumped on them).
I have used them and I do like them. However, the affiliate that gave me the jubibucks stated that he could give me $700 Jubi’s so I will have enough product for a year.
As far as spending my own money. I don’t think I would because what I bought was a 30 day supply of everything and I can’t see spending $200/month on those products when I can probably go to a health food store and get the same for much less… Just my opinion.
Well enough products for almost 4 months…I wasn’t thinking when I typed a year… 🙁
What you’re probably going to find is at 700 JubiBucks you’ll have your affiliate donor offer to pump in $25 or whatever the min spend for customers is, so that they can dump another 700 JubiBucks on you (I think it resets if you spend the min).
Is price the only determining factor in why you wouldn’t buy the products? Are JubiMax products really that much more expensive than their industry equivalents? (I genuinely have no idea on what retail shakes and vitamins etc. go for)
Gee!!! Thumbups @OZ. You wanna know if she’s willing to spend her own money on the product. Umm….. Well, I think you are starting to move on from Zeek.
May be you’re begining to see the diff between a Bidpack and a pack of 6 bottles of an Energy Drink. Maybe you’ll want to scroll up and note that @Observant used up the Jubibucks almost the same day it arrived.
It may even interest you to know that Fedex is presently doing emmergency deployment of more staff to a particular branch of theirs because of an unexpected increase in sales happening there.
You see, marketing is a beautiful art. Not a rigid science propped on fomula and Konstants. Its the art of tweaking, tuning and finetuning opinions, perceptions, wants and desires.
@Observant may reply you in the negative, but the truth remains that Jubrev already have enough Lemons to make as much Lemonade they want, from more than $7B a year industries.
The Rev Share is not an end in itself, its a means to an end. If its tweaked or removed Jubirev and its affiliates will thrive.
And she’s not, nor will she… as I suspected. JubiRev’s products are merely a cover for JubiRev affiliates to participate in a self-funded Ponzi scheme.
What a Ponzi scheme is attached to is irrelevant. It’s the scheme itself that is the problem. Dumping JubiBucks on customers to earn a daily ROI is no different than dumping sample bids on customers to earn a daily ROI.
Are JubiRev selling kool-aid too now?
A “money stream” is normally a stream of money coming IN to or going OUT from the company, often called a CASH FLOW.
You have probably a similar cash flow yourself (money coming IN from an employer or other sources each month, money going OUT to pay bills). In addition you probably have some INVESTMENTS, e.g. money “stored” in a savings account.
You probably have som credits or loans too, but let’s ignore that to make it simpler.
Using JubiBucks to pay for goods will be like replacing your monthly paycheck from an employer with monopoly money, and use your savings account to pay for the bills. It will drain you for money. You will need that stream of fresh money coming in each month to make it work, it can’t be replaced by monopoly money.
JubiRev’s idea is to drain other people for money, by refilling the savings account with new money from investors (until they run out of new investors). They spend a portion of the money on a “system” that can make people BELIEVE they eventually will receive more than their own investments.
Circulating some monopoly money around to members of your own household won’t do anything for your own cash flow, and neither will distributing the monopoly money to your neighbours.
It will work if you use some confidence tricks. If you TELL your neighbours the monopoly money have a real VALUE, and SHOW them that it actually is true, SOME of them will probably believe in it.
1. Spend some of your own money buying some cheap stuff that looks “valuable” but doesn’t cost you too much.
2. Set up a shop where you can sell it.
3. Distribute some monopoly money for free to your neighbours (as samples)
4. Let them buy “valuable stuff” for the monopoly money, just like if they are using real money.
5. Tell them about how much profit you have made from those sales (SHOW them some paychecks and some “lifestyle”).
6. Tell them that you are willing to share some of that profit with them, so they can afford a better lifestyle or putting more money away for retirement.
7. Show them a PLAN for how they can make money too, by investing in monopoly money. Show them some other people who have done it before them, and how much money they have made on it.
8. Let them invest in monopoly money to give away as samples, “to attract more customers and make your business and your neighbours share of it become even more profitable”. This will bring some real cash into your own account.
9. Reward a few of your neighbours with their own money, and with other neighbours’ money too (as a profit). That will attract even more neighbours willing to invest, from other neighbourhoods too. Try to create MOMENTUM, an increasing stream of new neighbours lining up outside your door each day, eager to give you their money.
10. When the momentum slows down, it’s time to use an escape strategy. That’s typically about blaming “the evil gub’mint” or “rogue individuals” among some distant neighbours, so people won’t blame you for any failures. Pay a few of your most loyal neighbours to support those stories.
An ecape strategy contains much more, but I can’t be too detailed.
11. Move on to a new neighbourhood, where people are willing to believe in your confidence tricks. You should now have lots of money, while your former neighbours have lots of monopoly money and some inexpensive stuff, plus a valuable EXPERIENCE.
I’m not a person that likes waiting for anything to come in the mail. I’d rather go to a store and buy it personally. Costs are similar for 30 day supplies at well known health food stores.
And you know this how? You have access to Fedex HR? Isn’t that confidential information? Or just more marketing bull**** from Jubi and/or your upline?
In that case, why *would* you buy Jubi branded products which nobody had ever heard of until a few weeks ago, INSTEAD of established national brand stuff?
And how *do* you know if they really contain the same (or equivalent) ingredients and went through the same QC process?
Bull****. It doesn’t matter how big the pie itself is. What really matters is what piece of the pie you actually have ACCESS to and can realistically grab. Your SWOT analysis is woefully inadequate. You’re all about the S and O, and nothing about the W and T.
@K.Chang. I don’t know if the ingredients are legit nor if there was even a QC process. I ordered just to help a friend.
@K.chang, someone missed a meet and and someone else asked ‘why?’. Should she rise to Head of HR first before asking?
If @K.chang want to go on questioning the sensibility of everyone that’s taken an offer from Jubimax or any other company introducing their products to the public, I think its wise to let him do as he pleases.
I checked those products, to be honest, there’s nothing extraordinary out-of-the-world about any of them. But they’re not inferior to any other product in their respective categories. In terms of quality and composition, and yes, price, they can hold their own against those available elsewhere.
It’s a hypothetical question. 🙂 (Why would you buy Juvi stuff vs. comparable National brands.)
Doing it for a friend is a decent enough reason, but remember the old adage: give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Teach a man how to fish, and he eats for life.
You just gave your friend a sale. He doesn’t know how to sell anything, and you “encouraged” him to go further in this thing. What will happen to him when he ran out of friends and family?
And pray tell, is ANY of them working for UPS HR? Or how is your “someone” and “someone else” relevant to the question about this “emergency deployment”? Or are you just admitting it’s a bull**** story?
I seriously doubt you know anything about the “hard work” or “professionalism” of anybody involved in the “production process”. Can you even tell me where are the products made? What’s the address of the factory?
@K.chang, Your not sincere about wanting to know the address, are you? Cos what I know is that, even if you live under a rock, before a Can of Soda gets to you there its been uncompromising scrutinised by eagle-eyed US federal officials.
And I hear they pay special attention to some industries like FMCG and MLM coy products, so, lets agree that those products are of strict US standard. But your not really interested in standards, are you? All you want is to run down a Company just because they attached a Rev Share to its Comensation Plan.
I got news for you. When new members come in to Jubirev on our team, we show them our analysis if the entire Compplan, and point them to 3 ways to work it, complete with the pros and cons of each. We then urge them to choose one and focus energy to work it in accordance with our success road map.
Now, here’s the Breaking News: quite a number of them choose to work Jubimax outside of the Rev Share!
If you look well in to that Compplan, you’ll see that its more like its layered. With the Rev Share being a shining outer layer.
If you peel that off, you still find substance within to reward those who focus on just recommending the products to buyers. And I think this design is on purpose, because, the Rev Share as I see it, is self-regulatory. The more points in the system, the lower the earning potentials. And when that happens, the affiliates will slow down on giving out free samples.
When there’re little or no freebie for consumers, then it’ll be payday for those who acquired genuine clients. And then again, there’s always a secttion of those who fell in love at first sight.
Most importantly, Jubirev have the resources to work all these LEADS being generated into buyers!
Blahblahblah.
Invest money in JubiBucks, dump JubiBucks on customer accounts (fake or otherwise), earn a >100% daily ROI for 85-105 days.
You can play the victim and cry persecution all you want. Affiliate funded revenue share, profit share, daily opportunity pay etc are all just marketing BS code for Ponzi scheme.
Sing it with me, P-O-N-Z-I S-C-H-E-M-E.
P-O-N-Z-I S-C-H-E-M-E.
You’ve met these “US federal officials” and read the report for yourself, I presume ??
Heaven forbid you are merely parroting what the people behind JubiRev have told you.
P-O-N-Z-I S-C-H-E-M-E.
It took a disturbing mount of time to type that.Or rather to coordinate my mad typing skills to get the job done.
On their website I see this phrase:
That means that PayPal won’t touch it, and that is usually a sure sign that something is not kosher.
You’re missing the point. You claim to know about the existence of “hard working” “professional” workers in the “production process”, when you could NOT know of such people. You ASSUMED.
And now you derail and deflect when I point that out.
It’s okay to admit ignorance and assumption. It’s not a weakness to admit “I don’t know”.
It is, however, a weakness to REFUSE to admit that you don’t know something.
And you sir, are very weak.
ANOTHER assumption on your part. Care to provide some evidence backing that up, or should we assume that you throw out random statements but when questioned, only deflect, deflect, deflect?
You already deflect the part about “UPS emergency deployment”, and then about knowing the hard working professional people in the production process. Is this going to be a third strike for you?
I have received a shipment of JubiMax natural and I found it very comparable to other protein shakes. I usually cant stand herbal products, mostly because I can’t stand the taste of tree bark.
I know lots of people, including my wife that love the herbal taste. I do like the JubiMax Natural shake, even better when blended with strawberries.
As far as cost, I went to walmart online and walmart had a product that was $55. I am sure their are cheaper and more expensive in the market place. I am testing out the product to see how it does, I will let you know how it goes.
As far as the slim pills and energy, I don’t take caffeine so I haven’t tried those products. My son is using the skin care products on his acne, If he takes it routinely I will let you know how that goes.
@James
Thanks for sharing. Out of curiosity are you an affiliate? Did you buy the JubiMax products with your own money or that of an affiliate’s?
Are you going to regularly purchase the products with your own money (assuming your not participating in the compensation plan)?
well to be honest, i dont find any risk in this company, i ordered US. 500 in jubibucks and i bought 500 all in products.
then i received them in my house, used part of them and sold the rest of them,and i received anyway 250 jubipoints that will be generating earnings for 80 days, personally i dont see any risk.
anyway i received products to sell or use.
…where do you think those “earnings” are going to come from?
Hint: not from retail customers.
OZ, you understand what i said?, i said no risk, it means for me i buy products and a sell them, im a saleswoman, i get the products and i sell them, ihave been doing this for ages.
i hope you got it when i say no risk, by the way this products are very competitive i have been selling beauty product for ages and what know im talking about.
i lready have 10 real customer testing my products im sure they will like them and will buy them from my jubipage, thats my job im a saleswoman.
Yup. Here it is again incase you missed it…
Did you understand what I said?
Oh dear.
That’s nice dear, but revenue wise JubiRev is receiving money from you, an affiliate. What you do with the products after you’ve paid for them is irrelevant to the money flow.
Especially when you’re just buying products to generate “250 jubipoints that will be generating earnings for 80 days.”
(Please don’t waste my time claiming otherwise).
Yes, yes. I’m sure my customers will like my free bids and buy some of their own. Sorry, which company were we talking about again?
See you on the flipside of the SEC.
Please report back if any of them actually are buying something, using their OWN money to buy products from your jubipage?
Giving away samples isn’t profitable in itself for the company. The free samples can be defended if 1 or 2 of your 10 free trial customers turns out to become paying customers.
You have paid $500 for free samples. If you’re satisfied with that deal then there’s very little financial risk. You have already got what you desired, the $500 “worth” of free samples. Your $500 initial “investment” can be used to reward other investors.
Most other participants are motivated by the income opportunity itself rather than the free samples. We’re covering it from that viewpoint, from the PRIMARY motives for joining JubiRev rather than from some random “other motives”.
Those are prospective customers. They only become real customers if they continue to buy from you more than a few times (say, once a month for 2-3 months).
As a saleswoman you should know that… never count your chickens BEFORE they hatch.
K.CHANG, hey in all the business is the same rule we have to get customers, but you have to admit that there will be a lot of persons like me involved in this business, and are saying that im getting cero corvertions with this products.
in my worst time i could get a 15% of corvertions but most of the time i get 50 even 60% of convertions, i have 15 years selling avon, you know nothing about selling products to people.
OZ, stop being so arrogant, the point here is no risk business.
i dont care about revenue bla bla bla bla, i buy products and i receive them and sell them, cuz i like them, by the way i have a litle team of avon women coming on board and they have a bunch of customers
So what? A lot of people can be wrong, or right. Numbers don’t prove right.
I didn’t write that. You did. Maybe you need English lessons, or perhaps you count all prospective customers as customers. That’s called “cooking the books”.
Good, so you have probably, be generous, TWO customers, not TEN customers that you claimed.
And how would you know that I know nothing about selling products to people? Clearly you just made that up, probably from the same place that made up “I have 10 customers”.
as per your comment on fake customer in 3 party vendors, i dont care about flyguy or whatever,i dont personally need them and none in my salesteam either.
we can go to the ground and get customers by our own thats what we have been doing for living the whole time
I was talking about that, but not about exact conversion rates, only about a minimum level of conversions to “defend” the free samples.
Most other people have been motivated by the other parts of the income opportunity, so your idea about “many experienced sales people” doesn’t exactly reflect the reality here?
Your version of the story starts to fall apart in some of the details. The retail commission and other rewards for recruiting CUSTOMERS are extremely low. The compensation plan will heavily favorize recruitment of “investors”.
On one hand you’re telling us that you are an experienced sales person, but on the other hand you’re not showing us that? That’s not very experienced?
You know perfectly well that neither you nor anyone in your downline will earn much commissions from retail sales (to external customers) here.
In case I have missed something, please SHOW us the parts in the compensation plan that you feel are “attractive” for sales people (people recruiting customers rather than participants on autoship).
@yajaira
Go read up on Zeek Rewards. Revenue sharing is just a new MLM marketing buzzword for Ponzi scheme.
You pump money into a scheme on the expectation of a 85 day ROI. We’ve heard all the BS “but I’m buying products” revenue sharing arguments before.
It your choice not ignore that an affiliate funded “profit sharing” scheme is identical to that of a Ponzi.
Thus far all I’ve heard is hopes that people will buy products. It’s the same crap all over again.
OZ, this is not zeekrewards, in zeek most of the customers didnt even know what a sample bids was, in jubirev everybody knows what a beaty product is, or vitality etc.
you are assuming that nobody is gonna buy a product, maybe you are the almighty god that sees and knows everything, if so i surrender on to you hehehehe
Who is this moron?
Just another naive person ignoring history with their head in the clouds?
The bottom line with all these revenue sharing Ponzi schemes is that customers aren’t buying anything when affiliates are clamouring to dump bids/bucks/wazoos/whatever on them to increase their daily ROI.
Affiliate revenue by way of compounding increases over time. Customer orders are static and will never keep up/overtake the affiliate revenue so it’s always going to just be affiliates paying affiliates.
Have you read any of the 4 other JubiRev/JubiMax articles here? Or watched the video “Don’t Get Distracted” by T. Le Mont Silver? 🙂
Reviews will normally follow the same model, trying to deliver factual information about a company, products and compensation plan. Comments should normally be “balanced” between different viewpoints (with some exceptions), but how “balanced” depends on type of company / article.
Follow up stories can be about almost anything, but they should normally be related to companies as business opportunities.
As a sales person, you probably have to deal with different types of people? Then we offer TRAINING for how to deal with different types of people. 🙂
A few of the affiliates in ZeekRewards used this site in that way, e.g. engaging in a few discussions to get familiarized to different types of arguments and “resistance”. A few of them clearly used it for some kind of “training” for short periods of time.
And exactly who do you want to replace? With whom? 🙂
Normally you should be able to attract those “replacements” yourself rather than complaining about it.
We can probably offer a few “Excercise your faith in the company” types of people, a few “You have completely misunderstood the business” types of people, and some random “MLM True Believers”. But you’ll make it easier for us if you can specify some certain characteristics for the replacement type you want.
Correction:
It was only 3 OTHER articles about JubiRev, 4 total.
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there is one thing you all guys cannot deny, there will be people (customer) as long as the product is good and work, that will want to repeat the comsuption of the product.
example: a woman who used the first samples of weight loss and she lost 10 pounds in that month, if you say that she is not going to buy the product again you are out of the reality, very very far away. The effectiveness of the product talks by itself.
Why would she spend her own money when there are hundreds (thousands?) of JubiRev affiliates all clamouring to dump (an ever-increasing amount of) JubiBucks on her everyday so they can earn their daily affiliate-funded ROI?
The Ponzi points business model makes no sense in a retail scenario.
A customer is someone spending MONEY, not JubiBucks or monopoly money.
Spending JubiBucks do NOT generate any profit, it generates EXPENSES (products, shipping & handling, administration costs).
Here’s the stream of money:
A: Money coming IN from new investor, get JubiBucks = a real monetary transaction
B: Give away JubiBucks = no monetary transaction
C: Pay for products with JubiBucks = no monetary tr.
D: Earn daily profit in JubiBucks = no monetary transaction
E: Reinvest JubiBucks = no monetary transaction
F: Withdraw daily profit = real monetary transaction
Money is coming IN under point A (from new investors), and going OUT under point F (to old investors).
Points B-C-D-E are about monopoly money, but people are willing to invest in monopoly money if they BELIEVE the monopoly money is worth something.
People will normally NOT believe monopoly money is equal to real money, but they WILL believe in it if you allow them to purchase goods for it, and allow them to withdraw real money for it.
If you and all others have customers PAYING for the JubiBucks then it will certainly generate a profit. But the only people paying for JubiBucks are the investors themselves.
You’re missing the point. A company cannot pay you by sales of product TO YOU (i.e. for you to buy stuff and give away). THAT IS ILLEGAL. It fails Koscot Test and Omnitrition clarification.
Sure somebody will like the product, but that’s irrelevant to whether the company’s operating legally or not.
when i give 40 jubibucks to a customer that wants to continue using the product and that customer uses the 40 jubibucks to reduce the price of weight loss combo, which total price is US.105.
You mean there is not money comming out of pocket, total amount 105 us, money used by the customer out of pocket us. 65, that is very very posible and undeniable.
Again, a company cannot pay you commission on money YOU PAID TO THE COMPANY. So you missed the point… AGAIN.
your point A is irrelevant, you are avoiding the fact that many clients will be willing to pay with their money
Out of your pocket yes.
You are an affiliate. There’s the problem.
Someone getting JubiBucks dumped on them is not a retail customer, even if they pay for shipping.
*waits patiently for the JubiBuck to drop*
not pay me, pay the company with their own money, buddy
Lol.
Seriously, how else do your reply to someone claiming whether or not affiliates fund the scheme is irrelevant.
But they’re not and aren’t, so please stop wasting our time.
As previously stated with JubiRev affiliates only increasing the daily amount of JubiBucks they have to dump on customers there’s never going to be an incentive for a customer to use their own money.
not shipping only, she will be paying the diference between 40 jubibucks and US.105 weight loss combo, thats apart from the shipping and handling
Right and how long do you think this is going to last when she cottons on that there’s hundreds of other affiliates out there who will dump enough JubiBucks on her to cover the entire cost of the product?
I’m going off memory here but I remember T. LeMont Silver announcing last week that one JubiRev affiliate has already hit 100,000 JubiPoints or was close to. One month, two months, six months… that’ a hell of a lot of daily JubiBucks that one affiliate has to dump on customer accounts.
As that trickles down over time the idea that retail customers will spend their own money doesn’t hold up.
Case in point? How much money have you invested in JubiBucks to offset the $65 this one woman is spending? Be honest now.
Let’s go back to what you wrote:
So you paid the company $40. And the custoemr paid the difference, yes?
How much commission does Jubi pay you, based on sale of how much? And WHEN do they pay you?
When “customer” BUYS the product, yes? (If not, then it’s ALREADY illegal, but I doubt they’re that stupid)
So product worth $105. You paid $40, so customer pay $65, yes?
So how much commission is based on? 40, 65, or 105?
If it’s NOT 65, then it’s illegal. Company CANNOT pay you out of your own money.
Got that? or do I have to repeat it a FOURTH time?
Your customer sounds like a hypothetical one, while we have had posts from real people (free customers). He or she received 200 JubiBucks or more, bought goods for 200 JubiBucks, received the goods without paying ANYTHING in cash.
Your hypothetical customer could be profitable for the company. So please do your best to bring in REAL customers like that, people spending their OWN money on products. But please don’t bring in more hypothetical customers in the discussion.
Neither JubiBucks customers nor hypothetical customers will generate any profit. You either HAVE real customers or you don’t have.
All this speculation nobody really knows if this will work or not, just people assuming blah,blah,blah. Only time will tell if they will be around and none of you on here honestly just don’t know period, let’s wait and see what happens when the test come…
Alot of people will be eating there words if they stand the test of times..
Yes, let’s just pretend Zeek Rewards never existed.
So why are you insisting that “people will be eating there (sic) words”?
Because even according to you, nobody really knows?
So what did you base your belief on? Blind faith?
Why do you people waste your time here…this business model is here to stay and you cant stop it with your comments.
Not according to the SEC, who have been routinely shutting down Ponzi schemes for some time now.
Why do you waste your time here? It’s the government body that will stop if it it’s illegal. Nothing you way (or we say) is going to change that.
We just want to see if it’s illegal BEFORE the government stepped in. Apparently, you don’t care.
So what does that make you?