Will spamming positivity bring Achieve Community back?
Three weeks ago payment processor Payoneer pulled the plug on the Achieve Community.
This unexpected and abrupt severing of ties threw Achieve into turmoil, with untold sums of money trapped in the system and those who had invested left with no way to access their funds.
Quick to promise relief by bringing a new processor on board, twenty days later and Achieve are still struggling to pass compliance regulations for payment processors they’ve approached.
Careful not to reveal who they’ve thus far approached until a contract has been signed, the latest update from Achieve Community attempts to plant the seed that complaining affiliates are behind the delays.
Achieve Community co-founder Kristi Johnson writes;
Hello Achieve Community!
I’ve just heard from our processors – we are still in compliance being looked over with a fine tooth comb. And as I said yesterday, they aren’t seeing anything that needs to be changed, so it’s all still looking very good, that’s truly good news. And now they are saying this week it should be done.
This may sound harsh, but consider this – the more negativity you, members of Achieve or not, continue to post and share, the longer it takes for us to start up again.
Those of you who are ready join us in Achieve, or ready to see your positions hit the matrix, the people with all the criticisms are the people who are causing you wait. It’s that simple.
Any legitimate payment processor need only ask Achieve Community one thing:
“Are you selling products and services to retail customers, and if so, please provide your retail revenue figures for the last few months.”
Less than legitimate processors might skip this crucial due diligence and instead focus on the probability Achieve Community affiliates are going to put their accounts at risk via cashbacks.
Negative comments and criticism from affiliates would suggest this will hit whoever takes Achieve onboard. And to that end Johnson pleads,
What can we do?
I am not looking at those comments any longer because I need to stand for our future and be the positive voice of Achieve. That’s who I am for you right now.
Everyone in our community can stand with me too. And you can all help us all, just like our community always has done.
If you see anything being said that is incorrect, correct it!
If you see anything that divides us, bring us back together!
If you see anything that is negative, share what is positive!
If you see disbelief, share belief!
If you see complaints, point out the positives!Let’s do this together! Let’s get Achieve being talked about again in the most positive light we can create.
Right. Because instead of just putting an end to a cycler Ponzi scheme that has no retail activity taking place whatsoever, let’s instead just ignore that and focus on flooding the internet with positivity.
What exactly is positive about the wholesale ripping off of people who join a cycler scam after you? Beats me.
Everytime you hear about someone in Achieve Community making thousands of dollars (the largest I’ve seen was about $70,000, who knows how much the admins have made off with), that’s money they’ve stolen from people who joined after them.
Those people, now being urged to flood the internet with positive spam, are hoping that, should a payment processor take on the risk of Achieve, that new investors will then join and fund their ROIs.
What happens to those investors? Well who cares… you’ve made your money and Achieve Community is wonderful.
I want to share with you a bit more about how all this works….
Here is what is taking the time – we are an online company. That means they look at everything about us online.
The business model Kristi, it’s the business model that they should be looking at.
Any payment processor that makes a decision based on online comments by affiliates is obviously just looking to collect some quick transaction fees and then pull the plug like Payoneer did.
Left unsaid is what will happen to the funds if the processor(s) Achieve Community is currently courting give them the flick.
Refunds aren’t possible because, well remember those people boasting about making thousands? They’ve got your money.
Dollar for dollar, refunds on positions held with Achieve Community are mathematically impossible. And this is the reality behind cycler Ponzi schemes that the admins and those who have made money (and are counting on naive new suckers to fund future withdrawals) refuse to address.
Or as Kristi Johnson explains, “I am not looking at those comments any longer because” she can’t adequately explain how this isn’t just another cycler Ponzi scam, anymore than she can to a legitimate payment processor.
Stay tuned…
Update 26th November 2014 – Must have been one hell of a lot of spam posted in the last 24 hrs:
Hello Achieve Community!
You all did it! We have our processor! We will be starting up again!
And of course I have more information to share with you about this whole process.
The reason we aren’t telling you who our processor is, is this.
1. When you sign up with them from your Achieve back office you automatically sign up with your account attached to us so that we can pay you.
2. It takes time for you to get approved with a payment processor. They need to know you are who you say you are – it’s online processing, they can’t see you, they don’t get your signature, so they check your information.
3. If you go sign up with them on your own, you have to wait to be approved before you can attach your account to us in your back office and then you have to go through the process again to attach your account so we can pay you.
Here is the choice we have. And I would like you to comment on whatever platform you are reading this from – the blog or the Facebook page you found it on.
Since we won’t have the coding for the Payout Processor until the end of the week, our programmer won’t be able to attach it and test it until next week.
We could
1. Start up in a few days allowing new members to sign up and current members to repurchase and then everyone could sign up for the processor next week.
Or
2. We could wait until everything is done and then start up.
Tell me Achieve Members, what would you like us to do?
Should be interesting to find out who’s taken on the risk.
And the crap about not having linked accounts? Yeah, they’re not publishing who the processor is before they’ve sent referral links to their affiliate-base.
Gotta collect a slice of those transfer fees!
Word is that it is likely I-payout, but not 100% certain.
Just think, just in time for everyone to withdraw all their earnings to buy Christmas. Wanna bet they put a cap on how much members can withdraw until January? That is if they can last that long.
That’ll be an interesting article to pen if it does indeed turn out to be them.
What is known about I payout?
it’s a shady payment processor.
read more here:
https://behindmlm.com/companies/telexfree/kevin-thompson-to-tackle-i-payout-compliance/
https://behindmlm.com/companies/telexfree/gerry-nehra-i-payout-named-in-telexfree-class-action/
It wont be I-Payout they have upped their compliance game and event taking advice from one of the top mlm attorneys on who to accept and who not to.
I am surprised they havent just used solid trust pay or one of the other ponzi processors, they would accept them in a heartbeat.
Maybe its this vx gateway? or……..
Maybe its none at all! Its all just song and dance and no doubt there will be more delay tactics! Nobody will want to “compound” and will withdraw right in time for black december!
This Achieve Community Ponzi is dead.
Gee, Oz. Didn’t you know that if enough people post hateful comments online, brands like Microsoft, Sony and Coke could lose their payment processors and find it impossible to secure another one?
It’s obvious that companies that handle millions of dollars a day base their decision to take on an account on how many people clicked “liked” a facebook page.
I guess they can blame the members why the “good” program such as Achieve is goes bad. It can’t have anything to do with it just being the ponzi that it is known to be already.
Ipayout has had several issues in the past with shady programs that have gone bust.
They made a big chunk of money with payoneer. So why not make another huge slice of money with this next processor as well.
I am sure that they won’t take in enough money to pay all the people that have spent in so far even if the processor can handle the payments for them. So I am sure they will have their next excuse lined up.
We have not heard the DDOS attack excuse yet or server problems.
Standard excuse in MLM or any recruit-based schemes… when in trouble, “blame the troublemakers/doubters/critics/scapegoats”.
When TVI Express pyramid scheme got a Cease and Desist by State of Georgia, many “team leaders” post long missives that blamed troublemakers for “not working hard” and “US being anti-MLM” and “we tried but it’s not working out”.
When Andy “Ad Surf Daily” Bowdoin got a member to audit his finance and the guy told him “you moron it’s a Ponzi” Bowdoin paid off the guy (gave him his share of the money immediately as hush money) and kept operating until the Feds shut him down a year or so later.
Same thing with Zeek. Everybody can remember that how much of this “positivity” and “payment processor/eWallet switcharoo” in the final months while they keep sticking fingers in the leaking dike.
Denial is a powerful force.
Last time I read the “fine tooth comb” claim was 2012 — by a Ponzi-board poster trying to sanitize Zeek Rewards AFTER the SEC action.
PPBlog
Here’s Kristi’s latest update:
riiight , pay-ins begin Today in achieve, but pay-outs will be when the new processor gets tied up.
dear achievers ,what is the need to start paying in today itself? wait for the processor to get finalized and integrated in the back office ,and THEN start pay-ins—-
sensible right ?
better still , let troy and kristi payout the the first bunch of matrix hitters, before you trust them with your money —–
sensible right ?
did i hear kristi bought a new car ——
right !
Here is the full update from Kristi of 12/1:
It is going to be interesting to see how long it takes for the “new payment processor” to be activated, if at all.
Wonder how many will be gullible to send them money before they find out who the new payment processor is, but more importantly it works.
I am expecting an unexpected issue that will delay it being available, then later they will announce they had to find a new payment processor, but of course you can still send them money and buy positions in the matrix. Some never learn.
Well, before the ink was dry on my post above, Kristi made this announcement:
But but but I thought they were selling banners.
Selling positions in a comp plan, I too can’t wait to find out which processor has given this the go ahead.
I haven’t been able to conclusively rule out iPayout yet so they’re still on the cards.
Unconfirmed but it’s looking like iPayDNA (dot biz) out of Malaysia. Interesting assortment of “Supported Industries”:
LinkedIn:
Confirmed:
imgur.com/pWfXTq8
It is iPayDNA and I was wondering if I should post the pic but Mr. Blackburn did post it himself and it doesn’t have any personal information about him. Unlike this video he just put up which has plenty:
youtu.be/i2XICdbM2Dc?t=3m4s
If he doesn’t want that info out there he’ll have to yank the video. I couldn’t get over his delivery and how if seemed like I’d heard his voice before and it didn’t take long for me to confirm that the Achieve pimp Rodney Blackburn is also a Dinar Guru from the “Get Team” going by the name “Gankans.”
He also uses Gankans as his Linkedin account name:
linkedin.com/in/gankans
Which also means he’s an assistant manager at a Bob Evans restaurant in West Chester, Ohio.
I hate dinar pimps.
So basically we’ve got investors lining up to dump their funds offshore all over again.
US admins this time so it might work out differently when shit hits the fan. Ming Xu however was also based in the US and Hong Kong to this day refuse to play ball.
You’d want Achieve to at least clarify where iPayDNA’s bank accounts are located.
Something isn’t quite right here. From an update Kristi made today:
Now the first link in my previous post shows what a transaction report from iPayDNA should look like. The merchant ID is listed as RTACHIEVE-Q which is readily understood to be Achieve but not all charges are being identified in that way.
People have been reporting charges attributed to no fewer than four other, shall we say shady merchant IDs:
suyingshop.com, weiweishop365.com and ruiqiushop.com at least pretend to be payment processors but aside from clearly being made from the same template the sites don’t say much about themselves. But ruiqiu.com isn’t even website, just placeholder. Yet all four are processing charges for Achieve.
And not to question Kristi these websites are not “Banks” processing their charges these are separate and quite possibly phantom merchant IDs factoring (or laundering) credit card transactions for Achieve.
I’m not sure what the game is here but a whole bunch of people are sending their credit card details, tax IDs and social security numbers to a network of unidentified and unconfirmed websites in China. And that NEVER ends badly.
The only real upside here is going all credit card is an invitation to a massive train wreck of charge backs. When the Achievers wake up to what’s going to be going on some day soon they will have between 75 to 120 days from the transaction date to ask their credit card for their money back.
And folks, all that crap on the back office about disputing charges with Achieve being fraud and subject to civil and criminal prosecution is just that, crap. When Achieve comes unwound the last thing Kristi and Troy will want to do is talking to the cops.
^^^^ Someone needs to report this…………sounds totally illegal.
As littleroundman posted at RS, here is what is happening with this new payment processor, and I quote:
What possibly could go wrong?
Kristi kinda sucks at credit card fraud (hiding it at least). From a recent update:
She admits that Achieve is using “clusters of overseas merchants” to give them “higher (daily) limits” on credit card transactions than they would have if they were only using their own account. This is sometimes call “factoring.”
merchantequip.com/merchant-account-blog/140/factoring-credit-card-laundering
OK, I realize how little point there is in making mention that the operator of a pyramid scheme is also engaged in credit card fraud. It’s sorta complaining that guy driving a car with a dead body in the trunk failed to signal before that last lane change. But there is a point here.
iPayDNA or whoever else introduced Kristi to her “clusters of overseas merchants” and those merchants themselves are not only violating the terms of service of the credit providers but they are also breaking the law in what seems to be a very organized manner.
And Kristi is having all her Achieve Community members to hand their credit card and social security numbers over to these people without even even knowing who they are.
What about the people who signed up before when payoneer was the processor? Are they subject to the same dodgy dealings with unauthorized people taking $ from their account?
Yep, EXACTLY like the days before the end of Zeek, when charges starting showing up from Asia, Europe, Costa Rica…
This turkey’s overcooked, and it’s on slick road to full carbonization.
Just to remind folks what happened at the end of Zeek… from the Hubpages hub that Zeek try to take down, back in 2012…:
Which goes on to prove that there are no “new” secret sauce, just old scam donning new disguises.
And here’s a reminder that what those payment processors ALSO do…
NOLINK://boingboing.net/2014/12/04/brian-krebss-spam-nation.html
Are you in the group spying? Are you sure you haven’t joined? Why all these he hate? Mad because we are getting paid and it worker?
@Odessa
As I understand it nobody is getting paid.
And what’s there to get mad about?
Cycler Ponzi schemes are scams. That is mathematical fact and emotion doesn’t factor into the equation.
it worker? Jesus have mercy, the people in this group cannot even grasp the English language.
If they could then I am sure they could read through the obvious bullshit that Kristi and Troy are feeding them.
Parts of the Monday Dec 8th update:
Seems legit. Don’t worry about the dodgy people withdrawing money from your card, thats normal….we still wont tell you who they are.
Oh so where is the information about the payment processor and the real reason you went down to begin with…brb let me sign my mother up.
THIS IS NOT A PYRAMID SCHEME GUISE I PROMISE….CAN WE CHANGE TOPIC? lol worst attempt at denial ever, if I keep saying its not true, maybe it’ll be that way.
Changing the world, one ponzi at a time.
they had me at ” (Changing the world, one ponzi at a time) ”
#dead
No need when they make all these announcements.
Are you sure you have? Maybe you just paid some random dude in Asia.
Why all the questions? Maybe because you are starting to wonder how legal this thing is?
Hey, scamming people is changing them…
it’s like that Oracle thing… they simply don’t tell you whether it’s for the better or for the worse.
I had been trying to get my money back from Achieve for sometime now.
On Thurs. Dec.11/14 I put in another request. On Fri. morning the 12th I informed by Troy Barnes that my money would be refunded (they owed me 250.). All I had to do was send them my receipts that were sent me via email at time of purchase.
Sent in the information immediately. Heard nothing back for the rest of the day. emailed Troy again Sat. morning, asking how long does it take to process a refund.
So then he refunded my money, sending confirmation receipts for each transaction, he said it may take 3 to 5 days to appear in my account.
I raised so much shit in there new forum for members, telling people not to put anymore money into this scam and telling them their money was sitting in an account in China.
I will no very soon if the money has actually been refunded, if it is I will update here. But I’m not holding my breath, in the meantime my Acheive account has been shut down.