Polaris Media Group Advisor threatens to sue OzSoapbox
With the Polaris Media Group launch just around the corner on the 9th of September, it seems some advisors have had enough of being called out on their scam.
Understandably tension appears to be high as all sorts of wild accusations and claims fly in the days before the company’s launch.
This evening the following email threat was received by OzSoapbox and appears to be from a genuine source.
Hi,
My name is David Gemmill of Polaris media group.
I have reported you to Polaris media group and the AUTHORITIES, for writing absolute rubbish on the internet about Liberty League and Polaris media group.
The company knows who you are, so by all means keep this slander and untruths on the internet, because you will be traced, and found out. Liberty League has many companies in the law courts at the moment.
The truth is the company has not been deemed a Pyramid, it has gone to Polaris media group to enhance and improve the company profile and opportunity to it’s loyal followers.
If you would like to speak to me then contact me on (mobile phone number removed), but I’m sure I won’t hear from you, but you will be hearing from us.
Regards
David Gemmill
Liberty League/Polaris media group.
Summit advisor
David Gemmill appears to run 2hourhomebusiness and amazingly despite being based in Australia, David appears to be completely unaware of the recent NSW Office of Fair Trading press release classifying Liberty League International as a pyramid scheme.
Presumably Polaris Media Group are also going to sue the Australian government “for writing absolute rubbish on the internet” too. Perhaps they are one of the companies already in court as David mentions.
One can’t help but wonder why a legitimate company feels the need to take so many companies to court and what’s more boast about it when threatening others with legal action.
It is worth noting that David also appears to be no stranger to pyramid schemes. Only recently he signed himself up to a pyramid scheme that boosts your Twitter follower numbers artificially.
Only it seems he didn’t quite understand how it works and instead of entering his Twitter account name, punched in his email address. Currently he is listed as level 5 on Viralfollower’s publicly listed recruitment pyramid.
Legal action against OzSoapbox isn’t the only legal battle Polaris Media group are reported to be involved in. ‘Consumer Warning’ have recently published information claiming that legal action has already been launched against Queensland based Liberty League co-op Six Figure Chicks;
Many law suits and class actions apparently are being considered by victims and legal action has already commenced against an outfit call Six Figure Chicks, who the large majority of complaints have been received from for their aggressive high pressure sales tactics.
Additionally reader Jz recently claimed that Polaris Media Group successfully sued Google for slander.
You should also know, there is a full time staff of lawyers who are doing nothing else but going after slanderous felons (like you) and prosecuting them. They just won a huge settlement with Google for this…and there are more.
I am quite sure that Google are unaware of this settlement or any legal action against them from Polaris Media Group.
To date this is the second legal threat OzSoapbox has received over publishing information on Polaris Media Group and if Gemmill’s claims hold any weight, appears it won’t be the last.
The only crime committed here (other than LLI and PMG) is David Gemmill putting his head on the internet 🙂
Oz/Shard, I think you would be wise to send a copy of the email to compliance@libertyleague.com seeking confirmation that this David Gemmill has authority to speak for and on behalf of LLI/Polaris Media Group. If he doesn’t (and I suspect he doesn’t) he should be castigated for non-compliance with LLI policies. Just out of interest, was the email sent from a @libertyleague.com email address or was it from David’s bigpond.com email address?
Ha ha ha…
David seems to be completely unaware of alot of things Oz, including the fact that he has several false declarations on his website…. 2 hour work day??? grow up David and get a real career.
Stop scamming people.
http://mypersonalfranchisebiz.com/default.htm
http://www.earthbusinesssolutions.com/
http://www.wealthsolution.info/
Same joker too?
Thanks as always for the advice Ralph.
All of the information posted in the article is all publicly accessible, but in the interests of David’s privacy I’d rather not state which email address his threat came from.
This reaction was expected.
Liberty League Associates are running scared and reporting to the authorities. I am sure they all know about this site, It ranks higher than Polaris Media group for gods sake!
The fact is this site has real testimonials from real people who have been through the LLI nightmare and have opened up to expose the real truth, yes the truth, we are not here to flog off another scam, just to tell our story.
Liberty League does not like the truth to be told and will go to great lengths to put a stop to it.
BehindMLM has given many of us former LLI associates a platform to speak from. I have every right to tell my story along with other people’s opinion here.
As Polaris Media Group evolves I am sure many others will share their stories here.
Don’t we have something here in Australia like the first Amendment in the US? Freedom of Speech?
Seems to be. I love the youtube video on ‘mypersonalfranchisebiz’, Gemmill actually indirectly makes the distincition between a reputable business and Liberty League.
Hilarious.
Another fruadulent claim is quite obvious: it is highly unlikely that David is actually as happy as he claims to be on any of his back-of-a-truck websites or in his psuedoporn YouTube videos.
Regardless of how unintelligent he may or may not be, no level of ignorance will protect him from the sad, ugly and vicious truth that he is an old, unattractive, podgy and balding man with a kindergarten haircut.
If a guy like this can make money out of PMG though, maybe anyone really can. There are undertones throughout his threatening (although largely mind-numbingly boring) correspondence: I don’t think this is a man that really wants to take on the world – commercially or legally – I think all this guy wants is someone to give him a big ol’ cuddle and say “Hey Dave: you’re alright.”
AUTHORITIES? I thought MR Tony Rush said about one of our Fair trading authorities; “I do not know anything about the New South Wales or how the government works or even if that is a real government site. None of that really matters”.
Is this minion now saying they understand what the “AUTHORITIES” are? Have they suddenly grasped the concept of government? If so the NSW Fair Trading press release is a real document?
This is shocking news everyone.
The only reason you got this email is that BehindMLM and Whirlpool outrank the scam websites on Google. You’ve started to cut into their potential market and they don’t like it.
And now you’ve started selling “Lifepath”, well, of course they don’t like that. How dare a competitor take their potential marks away.
Jks about that last bit. Anyone with a few braincells left can see that it’s a Google AdSense running above the post. Maybe we should spell it out again for the slow ones.
Google AdSense works by picking out certain words from text and basing advertising around it. It is NOT the site owner putting those ads up. If you read Ozs’ posts about his goldfish tank, what kind of ads do you think you might see??
Anyway, don’t worry too much about this. They’ve got as much clout as a wet paper bag. And I’m not too sure any of the “Associates” could organise a way out of one.
Mr Gemmill, good luck with the business. Hope you aren’t based in NSW or QLD, as the Govt. in both states are now having a good hard look at your “business model”, be it pyramid, trapezoid, or rhombus……
Just a quick note, although the comments from the denial article were from the Polaris Media Group Life which Rush moderates, the actual replies I quoted in the article were from fellow associates and not Rush himself.
Well at least not from his forum account.
Oz,
If you want this site to have some credibility, then may I suggest to get your facts right (rather than spinning information to suit).
The fair trading media release DOES NOT classify Liberty league as a pyramid scheme. The Fair Trading Minister indciates that “Liberty League may potentially breach the Fair Trading Act”.
It stops short of classify Liberty League as a pyramid scheme and she points out that it is for a “court to determine if Liberty League is a pyramid selling scheme”.
In effect, the media release is a reminder that people should avoid getting involved with pyramid schemes.
Fair Go For All.
The press release might be more delicate but the written confirmation certainly wasn’t.
Sure sounds to me like they’ve classified it as a pyramid scheme.
Fair Go:
If you want to have some personal credibility as well as for the company I would imagine you represent, then may I suggest to get your facts right (rather than spinning information to suit).
The fair trading media release DOES classify Liberty league as a pyramid scheme. The Fair Trading Minister indciates that “Liberty League may potentially breach the Fair Trading Act”, and then goes on to classify Liberty League as a pyramid scheme in formal written correspondence and you are probably lucky that no-one could be bothered taking your company to court.
In effect, the media release is a reminder that people should avoid getting involved with pyramid schemes and the written letter from Fair Trading confirms that within the law LLI IS/WAS an illegal pyramid scheme – hence, should be avoided.
Fair Go For All Honest and Ethical Parties.
Just a little note to say thankyou to you all for being a repository of information on LLI/PMG.
It is due only to your information, and the comments gathered here, that I was able to save a family member from making a big mistake that would have cost her $11k.. Money she didn’t have.
Needless to say the reps involved at Polaris are up in arms, and looking for someone to crucify, however, being as though its a government website that called them a pyramid scheme, i’m not sure how sucessfull they will be.
Thanks so much, again, you have made a profound difference in my families well-being
Good riddance to this sham that preys on the week and vunerable.
Jim
oh – Just before I forget, when my family member went to investigate directly with the OFT – they were quite determined to get as much detail as possible about their involvement, and that anyone found to be in the scheme would suffer the consequences.. It really did rattle their cage quite a bit.
EVEN IF THEY ARE LEGIT (which I doubt, but):
Anyone reading this that has signed or is going to sign up – dont. Ask yourself the question – is it really worth getting embroiled in a court case, even if it is too good to be true.. For my money, I’d rather take home $500 a week, then prey on the weak and suffering of others and be rich… and in jail…
Fair Go: the document you refer to is titled “Pyramid Schemes Alert”. The first paragraph states its also a get rich quick scheme.
Since it’s talking about Liberty League International, most rational people can make the connection.
a girl I work with sent me an email today from someone at a company so its coincidental i guess i suppose they sned it out this morning or something heres some bits from it which might not be exactly right but you get the gist this is not a direct quote and this is just a random thing make what assumptions you will:
As I planned the restructure with Sxxx and Jxxx xxx, Gxxx xxx, and a team of industry professionals with whom we consulted, I knew that what we were accomplishing would take more than simply changing a few policies or modifying a few practices.
…not just a new approach but a new company: in which we have preserved the best values of xxxx xxxx and added some fundamental and revolutionary changes.
…answer is that we have been working on this change for many months now, and thinking about it for longer. We are happy to be joined by many of the original corporate team and virtually all of our friends of the past who are now our colleagues, the new….
…. is without its challenges. As many of you know, last Friday the Office of Fair Trading in NSW, Australia issued a press release making claims about the business practices of xxxxx xxxx…. was in response to a journalist inquiry to the Office of Fair Trading following a successful xxxxx xxxx xxxx event on the Gold Coast the previous Saturday. You should know that we have contacted the Minister’s office and the Department of Fair Trading to set the record straight about the new xxxxxx xxxx xxxx and its products, practices and compensation plan. We believe that this is the start of an ongoing and transparent dialogue between xxxxx xxxx xxxx and the Australian regulatory organisations.
There is a lesson in this for all of us, as the issue was sparked by a media inquiry. So, we prefer that associates do not directly engage with media or bloggers about xxxxx xxxx or xxxxxxx xxxxx xxxxx. If you receive a phone call or email inquiry from a journalist, please send an email to xxxxx@xxxxxxmedia.com.au. The inquiry will be reviewed and responded to by the leadership team at xxxxxx xxxx xxxx.
Our goal continues as it has ever been: to develop skills for you all through the application of proven entrepreneurial principles. Over the next weeks and months you will be receiving an updated professional toolkit with which to build your business and to expand and deepen your influence.
I am excited and honored to be on this great adventure with you.
I am coming to Australia shortly, and will send more information about this exciting trip as soon as I can.
Sincere regards,
xxxxx xxxx
i guess we have different senses of humour
Can smell the spin from here. The state in which LLI/Polaris is incorporated shows its just a name change in terms of incorporation, not a new company.
The fact they’re changing the name doesn’t stop the $5mil lawsuit. The fact they contacted DoFT NSW still doesn’t stop them being pinged for financial misrepresentation under ASIC, or the raft of advertising/consumer laws they’ve done with the “Polaris” switch in the training calls/testimonials. 10 & 2 day cooling off period for products purchased still leaves a lot of breadth for litigation to go ahead under the rest of the Trade Practices Act.
So it seems the gag order has finally gone out, 12 or so hours prior to launch. Too little, too late.
Ok. Been crunching the numbers again just to prove that, Pyramid scheme or not, the LLI/PolarisMediaCircus is a total scam.
The figures don’t lie.
1500 total ‘paying’ associates(two tickets) attend the Liberty Conferences each year.
500 paying associates(two tickets) attend the Summit Conference
If the 1500 represents 30% of Beyond Freedom purchasers (LLI website)then there are approximately 5000 Beyond Freedom sales per year.
All these sales contribute to a total pool of 16.5 million dollars(sales, less wholesale) that can possibly be earned by the numerous associates.
If, as is claimed, the top earners all make their $500k+
and
assuming that there are at least twenty ‘top earners’
(I know.. there seems to be thousands claiming ‘six figure incomes’)
then,
after these people have eaten up their slice of pie there isn’t much left for the 4980 new associates to share.
Also fighting for their share of the pie are the associates from the previous years pool and the ones from the years pool before that etc., etc.
A quick calculation shows that the average income from the pool can not possibly be more than about $2000 per annum…. remarkably close to the MLM industry average as previously mentioned on this forum ($2400 I think).
Scam… Scam…. Scam.(Oh, and a pyramid scheme to boot)
Thanks for sharing that Gavin. All I got out of that message though was:
Also out of curiosity if a girl you work with sent you this I’m assuming you’re a Polaris Media Group distributor too? Just querying as you used one of their youtube videos as your homepage when leaving your comment.
Nice work with those figures Martin, makes a lot of sense how much chance you DONT have of making any serious money with this scam.
great work again Oz/Shard, keep the pressure on these parasites and hopefully soon they will deem it to hard and walk away. They obviously dont like anything too hard.
EXCELLENT! They are watching what is being said here, they don’t like it, and they are powerless to do anything about it other than bluster.
@Rod
And I commend your, and other victims, courage in speaking up.
Um, no actually. But statements that might be defamatory may be lawful if known to be true when they were made, and are in the public interest. The ruling of the DoFT and Minister Judge’s presser establishes public interest. The truth is a powerful (if not universal) defence.
Being a promoter of a dodgy scam is not a great position to launch a defamation action from. I wouldn’t be surprised if they could find a beagle who would take (a considerable amount of) their money to make huffing noises, but they won’t get to first base in an action.
I particularly like the vapourware e-mail “and the AUTHORITIES, for writing absolute rubbish on the internet” bit. Not even *defamatory* rubbish? Boy they are running on empty. Unnamed AUTHORITIES are so much more threatening in upper case don’cha think? Being reported to the Galargambone Pasture Protection Board lacks a certain bite.
If the ACMA took down every website that contained rubbish there wouldn’t be much left! And talking rubbish is not, in and of itself, actually actionable (or there wouldn’t be much left on TV either). Mind you, that banana cuts both ways for people running websites promoting a scam.
And these are the dudes who cast themselves as leaders of men?
My vote for Quote of the Day;
@Dan
Anyway, don’t worry too much about this. They’ve got as much clout as a wet paper bag. And I’m not too sure any of the “Associates” could organise a way out of one.
@Fair Go
Break it down! You think being mentioned by the Minister in this context is GOOD? “To be determined by a court” is Minister-speak for *see you in court*. Hello? Are you guys so thick you don’t know a big fist being waved at you when you see one?
@Martin
Thanks for those calcs.
If indeed Scientology is behind these scams don’t expect them to pack up and go away without a fight.
Oh how the mighty have fallen….From $1000 per sale to $2 per DVD.
Its comical to see all the Polaris Media Group distributors flogging the DVD’s on twitter, facebook and wherever else they can for free.
They could have saved themselves a fortune and started an e-bay store!
Tony Rush is claiming all the DVD’s are sold out… pretty easy to do when you’ve got 20,000 to divvy up amongst the claimed 30,000 members.
How long before we see the undercutting??
I’m a LLI associate who has just been threatened with legal action by top-dog (bitch?) Shannon Lavenia when I queried why I was charged AU$149 for the Polaris Direct Line System. I certainly didn’t authorise this so suggested, quite rightly, that this constitutes fraud.
I also suggested that the newspapers might be interested in this cute little pyramid scheme that is stunning (literally!) Australians and New Zealanders.
Shannon wasn’t very nice in her response. She said I’d threatened her. Huh? With what? Exposing the “business” for what it is? Gosh, golly. She needs to get her Big Ass back into her Britches. (For the uninitiated, BIG ASS BRITCHES was the company’s previous name, pre-dating LLI and PMG.)
FRAUD? Yes, it is … in every sense.
Hell yeah. Don’t let turkeys like that intimidate you. Polaris Media Group is going down!
Do not worry Liz it is just another desperate attempt to stop anything they do not like,they are not a happy bunch of campers at the moment.
I have been with LLI for 18 months now, yup I was a full boat sucker, still cant believe it. Bought into the hype and even went to a summit conf. Vacation was great but the one big thing I noticed was that apart from the few emc members, everyone else was brand new, their first conf. After working the simple system and 18 months I had gererated 1000s of leads and made one sale… to my upline. I have the same feelings as many here, such as guilt , shame, and all the rest. Wish I could spend some of the thousands of dollars now to open up peoples eyes to this scam of a business. So today after 30k into the business I have completely cut off all ties to this business, closed down my site, cancelled the conf bridge and so called back office support. I wish I had some legal battle to go after my advisor and get money back but just dont see that happening. For now I am not angry just feel like how the heck did I let this happen to me. Oh well time to work my real JOB so I can pay this crap off and chalk ot up as a learning experience. I enjoy reading others on this board and feel your pain. To the members of LLI and PMG I wish you nothing but a huge Eye opening experience when you realize how many people you have taken advantage of all in the name of personal development… shame on you. to end this I thought this was funny.. John Levinia has a book out called integrity is everything. Wow that takes some real guts to write that book.
Maybe he should read the book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or walk the talk.
The sad reality is that none of them do, not John Lavenia, Shannon, nor Shane Krider who thinks that plagiarism is okay. His so-called “system” Beyond Freedom is directly plagiarised from John Kehoe’s work, Mind Power into the 21st Century. It’s disgusting that this bunch of people who talk about integrity are getting away with what they’re doing.
Is anybody going to stop them?
I can tell you from first hand experience as the attorney for several LLI defectors that LLI’s scare tactics so far have been nothing more that the proverbial paper tiger. While anyone can write saber rattling letters, it is an totally different matter to follow up on them–frankly I don’t think LLI even has the resources too anyways.
Like I said Oz, LLI/PMG are all piss and wind. That comic e-mail that turned up; if it were me you wouldn’t be getting e-mails rattling plastic sabers, a process server would be shoving a writ in your hand. They are certainly full of themselves, but from where I sit they look like a pretty C-Grade team. Maybe we could get the Huntsville Bogans to join PMG? That might be fun to watch. 🙂
@Bill
Welcome. You’ll get razzed, but you’ll also get tea and sympathy here.
A friend once suggested a scam to me.
“Put an ad in the paper selling Assertiveness Training, and sit back and watch the fees roll in.”
“What do I do then?”
“Nothing.”
“But what if one of them comes around wanting their money back?”
“Well you have a few certificates printed and you give them one saying “You’ve passed!” and close the door.”
I’ve said it before, but perhaps the *real* Personal Development comes when you wake up from the nightmare.
Hi Guys,
Well finally i have made the decision to leave. Don’t know why we all find this decision so hard.
My husband demanded to see a copy of their legal opinion regarding their dealings with the Department of Fair Trading. He says this is a common practise in business dealings but they are saying that their lawyers dont want us to see this opinion. Shane made out this was going to be ok to begin with but now will not part with letter. We would never be able to use this in a Court case but it would provide us with some sort of security. As they would not show us this opinion by husband thinks they have something to hide.
Love to know what others think.
If you thought the Liberty League International business model worked great before, imagine this hypothetical equation.
#1 SCIENTOLOGY + #2 MLM
O, wait that already happened = POLARIS MEDIA GROUP
Payne is out (went away to focus on music they say!) & Krider is in. If that was a believable story why would Payne have to go away to make music. Me thinks we’ve all been lied to. Dodgey.
I wonder if all the members know that we get preached Scientology doctrine every Friday on the leadership call.
Perhaps the loyalist an doubters that own Lavenia’s book integrity is everything should check the additional recommended readings on page 193 where he recommends Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard’s ‘The Problem of Work’ or where he quotes Hubbard on page 158 or visit johnlavenia.com for more recommended readings where he will sell you and any other sucker a copy of teh Scientology books he recommends.
Is there any link between Polaris/Liberty League and Inspiring Financial Planners Ltd? Thanks Daboe.
Any more news on Polaris and the ACCC? Just wondered how far down the track things have progressed.
Thank you for your website. Really and truly, thanks. I think I may have joined Polaris because of the ‘enthusiasm’ and ‘positive energy’ of the lady who almost got me on board and all the 6-figure testimonials.
After reading and researching more from your website I was able to ask this Polaris member some hard questions, to which there was no answer apart from telling me the ‘next step is to have ANOTHER conference call with her and some other representative.
I asked this Polaris rep is SHE was on a six-figure income. Her answer: “I’m scheduled to be” – well at least that was honest, albeit positive spin.
I also asked if she could give me statistics on how many members are earning a 6 figure income and what is the medium income members earn – I’m waiting to hear back via email.
I hope this email gets read, because I want everyone to ask smart, hard questions to these reps trying to sell Polaris.
Ask:
– are YOU on a six figure income? Can you prove it?
– how many reps are on a six-figure income
– what is the medium/average income of members
– how much money and time will need to be invested to reach a level in which 6 figures is realistic
None of this is negative energy. It is not a bad thing to be cautious and ask real questions. I still believe it is possible to make a 6 figure income on some kind of scheme like this but how much of your life, money and friendships will it cost? How many people have lost over $10,000 on this scheme and came away with nothing?
I don’t want to spread negative energy about this company, I just want to spread caution, especially if the DoFT is on its tails.
Gday Independant, glad the information on BehindMLM was of use to you. I think your approach is an excellent example of the approach prospective associates should take when dealing with Polaris.
Just as it’s ridiculous to suggest that the only research you do on the company is to watch their Know For Yourself dvd, I think it’s silly to suggest that BehindMLM also be the sole source of research too.
Ideally you want to find out as much about the company from a variety of sources, form your own questions and then through your own experience and research come to a conclusion.
That’s basically what I’ve done with most of my articles on Polaris/LLI. I’ve taken information from a variety of sources, analysed them and drawn my own conclusion. I’d encourage others to do the same.
The testimonials and experiences shared by people like Independant are also a great resource for people to compare notes against.
Hello Independant
Did you get an email back from the associate with the above information or did they run from your wit and your daring to question?
DUBLI AND POLARIS AND ALL MEMBERS ARE SCAMMERS.
MS RANIA AND HER SIX FIGURE CHICKS RACHEL AND HER EXL CRAP WHO STOLE OUR MONIES MONTHLY WILL HAVE THEIR DAY SOON. IN COURT OR /AND WITH KARMA.
I was an Associate in LLI and cut my losses before the change to PMG. I had no connection to PMG whatsoever. (Wisely ??) I had set a budget and a time frame with LLI and stuck to it. Two months after I cut ties, I started to receive monthly fees to my account from PMG. I contacted my high profile Advisor who did apologise and gave me a contact in PMG to whom I sent a strongly worded email. Surprise surprise I received a quick refund.!! Maybe they monitor this website. I do believe that my high profile Advisor has, as they say in the classics…now left the building..perhaps even a burning building.
Most of the people go into these kind of business are loosers anyway,There is many way”s one can make money without following any kind of network marketing.
Actually I have seen the Six Figure Chicks co op Financial statement, it was shown to me last week in a meeting. I think Rania did an excellent job with the marketing funds.
I think you need to take a chill pill, a coke, a smile and shut the &^%# up.
Speaking of Mr Gemill………
Another one gone to Dubli http://www.coasttocoastmagazine.com/mod/business_listings/viewBusiness/1260?p=11
One of the side effects of this rampant business opportunity hopping around is in their wake, these ‘entrepeneurs’ leave a trail of html destruction.
Seriously how many stupid webpages are still out there for Liberty League polluting the internet because they are now defunct? I don’t even want to think about how many defunct Polaris Media Group pages with ‘contact us’ details still available there are.
I contacted PMG in regards to an add I saw. After working for several years as an Account Executive for the biggest Communications company in Australia I was over it. Sick of making $1million plus per year in new revenue for them and getting little in return. Believe me this communication company is all about management making the good $$$$ and getting recognition and the real workers getting stomped on.
Enough about that company. I saw the ad work 20hrs per week from home make 6 figure salary (already was). The part that I liked was working from home. Young family more time with them. Got to my emotional string obviously.
I was going to sign up but now I’ve read all this comments I would like to say thank you to everyone who has posted a comment up here. I now know that any involvement would not only be immoral but would jeopardise the well being of my family.
Thank you everyone and may you all have success in life and be happy.
Your welcome @Thank you
and well done Oz in informing another potential PMG distributor to run far away from this company
I am intrigued at the volume of comments I have read in regard to the ‘David Gemmill’ comments. But after thinking about it, realize that this is only a blog, and moderated by those that created it, so any comments made in favor of David will be highly scrutinized and may not appear on this blog….Perhaps like this one!
I think he has a point, but this blog and blogs like it have sadly missed it. This man, presumably is just trying to run his own business and occasionally a cow gets stuck on the rail tracks (your blog). If you want to let people make up their own minds about which business to choose and be totally fair about the way you conduct your ‘Oz Soap box’ then you should show all correspondence, favorable or unfavorable!
As for the question of privacy, and for David to run his own business, like many of us, he does not need the negative and one sided press that you give him.
I am also very surprised that he (David) would have sent you a picture of himself in his email and if David and his company isnt successful persuing you for slander of his company, then perhaps he is able to pursue you for displaying his photograph without his consent (if this is the case).
Also ‘Oz Soap box’ gives no indication of who they are and what their gains are from publishing negative things about these companies. Who is Oz Soap Box and who do they work for….Is there a conspiracy going on here?
Grant.
You only have to look at the comments left by people to see that it’s clear I don’t just approve negative commentary. Hell I even approve comments where people take potshots at me if it in some way contributes to the discussion.
The only commentary that gets thrown in with the spam are those that contribute nothing. Usually completely off topic or just some random insult with nothing else.
I live on the other side of the train station to David. Here I was just going about my daily life when a cow got stuck on my rail tracks (Polaris Media Group).
Given that, as mentioned previously, positive commentary on any topic I write about is not withheld I’d like to thank you for acknowleding the total fairness in which I conduct OSB.
My articles about Polaris contain a negative slant, that is my opinion on the company coming through. What people comment about afterwards is out of my hands. You can take the lack of positive commentary as you see fit. For the most part it’s because Polaris themselves discourage their distributors from seeking out any information the company itself has not published (the irony in you accusing me of being unbalanced in light of this isn’t lost). Secondly perhaps there’s an indirect admission of guilt.
Since I started writing about Polaris the general process is that some new Polaris recruit finds this blog and starts commenting on how negative everyone is, how I work for Lifepath and how great their new life is. After being questioned on the points they raise they might stick around for a bit without addressing anything pointed at them but then as always they just suddenly dissapear.
I figure this happens after they tell their advisor about what they read on the internet and their advisor tells them to stay away, or they quit Polaris itself and are too ashamed to show their faces back here.
David’s photo was lifted from Facebook. Upon uploading his photo to facebook he gave up any and all copyright to the image. The copyright now belongs to Facebook. If any legal action is forthcoming it will have to come from them…
…I wouldn’t hold your breath.
As for slander, that’d be implying that what I have written is made up. I don’t believe official data from Polaris itself attached to an opinion is slander. Good luck to David pursuing Oz for slander considering the email is authentic.
I’ve said it many times but here it is again, BehindMLM is run by a team little green men from mars who spend their time cycling around Taiwan.
I can’t believe this Gemmill idiot honestly belives his own crap. These scams have been sponsored by under educated over confident idiots that fail in life and pray and on the weak.
The more slander directed at Gemmill and Polaris, the better!
Hey guys, does PMG even exist anymore? And if so, how many people are part of their organization? I’d also like to know where former ‘leaders’ have ended up. And I would love to hear people’s thoughts (good or bad) on Brent Payne’s new company, Avant. I know Gene Braxton is working with Brent now.
Cheers, Matt
Gday Matt,
PMG do still exist but they’re operating as Polaris Global now. No idea what their numbers were but only a few hundred turned up to their last event and the event after that in Hawaii was subsequently cancelled and rebooked for later this year.
I’ve put all the MLM stuff I write about on BehindMLM, it has it’s own section on Avant.
If you’re after some information on where some of the former leaders have ended up, ‘Life After Polaris Media Group – Where are you now?‘ might also be of interest.
Thanks for stopping by.