We Got Friends Review: $69.95 a month “Nitroline” pyramid
We Got Friends fails to provide ownership or executive information on its website.
A corporate address in Carson City, Nevada for We Got Friends LLC is provided.
This address belongs to Eazy Bit Start LLC. Eazy Biz Start sells LLC formation services to “protect yourself from liability”.
We Got Friends marketing videos are hosted by David Dubbs and Val Smyth. The pair appear to be running the company.
Smyth first popped up on BehindMLM’s radar in 2015 as co-admin of Total Takeover.
Total Takeover was a relatively short-lived recruitment scheme. A few months after launch Total Takeover collapsed.
Later in the year Smyth returned with The Elite Networker, another recruitment-driven opportunity.
In 2016 Smyth launched Mentoring Millionaires, a combination pyramid gifting scheme.
Smyth’s last BehindMLM appearance was Legends VIP Network in August 2019.
Legends VIP Network was a pyramid scheme built around pirated stream content. From what I’ve been able to piece together, Legends VIP Network collapsed sometime in 2022.
David Dubbs (right) made a name for himself in Bellamora.
Bellamora shut down in 2011, prompting Dubbs to continue on as a marketer focused on lead generation.
This primarily takes place via The Conversion Pros, of which Dubbs is the Chief Marketing Officer.
The Conversion Pros provided leads for MLM scams, culminating in owner Ron Pope being part of the CashFX Group Ponzi launch team in 2019.
Pope’s role within CashFX Group has never been publicly clarified. He’s widely seen as a co-founder of the company, extending as far as a silent owner/executive.
The Ponzi side of CashFX Group collapsed in November 2021. The pyramid side of the scam continued into early 2022 but by mid year had also collapsed.
Through The Conversion Pros, Dubbs ran marketing training for CashFX Group Ponzi recruiters.
I thought this ended in January 2022. Turns out Dubbs was still coaching CashFX Group Ponzi scammers into mid 2022, the videos have just been deleted.
Whether Dubbs himself participated in CashFX Group as an investor is unclear. Given his close proximity to Ron Pope, it’s highly likely.
As opposed to pretending We Got Friends is based out Nevada, Val Smyth and David Dubbs operate from Canada and Nashville, Tennessee respectively.
Read on for a full review of We Got Friends’ MLM opportunity.
We Got Friends’ Products
We Got Friends has no retailable products or services.
Affiliates are only able to market We Got Friends affiliate membership itself.
We Got Friends affiliate membership provides access to 100 leads a month.
Here’s Val Smyth’s description of the leads, taken from a February 2023 We Got Friends marketing webinar:
Every month you have 100 leads guaranteed. Opt-ins, opt-ins, people that are looking to make three to seven thousand dollars a month in an online business. Possibly even using their cell phones.
You’re gonna get all fields of information. Time, date-stamped, first name, last name, email address, cell phone numbers.
You can use the leads for everything and anything. It doesn’t have to be for here (We Got Friends).
We Got Friends affiliates are also provided access to a “Digital Hacks Video Training Library”, as well as discount savings apps.
We Got Friends affiliates are able to sell leads to retail customers, however this has nothing to do with the MLM opportunity.
We Got Friends’ Compensation Plan
We Got Friends charges affiliates $20 plus $69.95 a month.
These fees are used to pay recruitment-based commissions and bonuses.
Recruitment Commissions
We Got Friends pays recruitment commissions down three levels of recruitment (unilevel):
- level 1 (personally recruited affiliates) – $30
- levels 2 and 3 – $5
Residual Commissions
We Got Friends pays residual commissions via a binary compensation structure.
A binary compensation structure places an affiliate at the top of a binary team, split into two sides (left and right):
The first level of the binary team houses two positions. The second level of the binary team is generated by splitting these first two positions into another two positions each (4 positions).
Subsequent levels of the binary team are generated as required, with each new level housing twice as many positions as the previous level.
Positions in the binary team are filled via direct and indirect recruitment of affiliates. Note there is no limit to how deep a binary team can grow.
At the end of the weekly pay period, We Got Friends affiliates earn 25% of sales volume generated on their weaker binary team side.
Once paid out on, volume is matched against the stronger binary team side and then flushed.
Any leftover volume on the stronger binary team side carries over into the following pay-period.
Matching Bonus
We Got Friends pays a Matching Bonus on residual commissions earned by personally recruited affiliates.
The Matching Bonus percentage is not disclosed.
Global Loyalty Bonus Pool
We Got Friends takes an undisclosed percentage of company-wide fee volume and places it into the Global Loyalty Bonus Pool.
The Global Loyalty Bonus Pool is shared between We Got Friends’ “top performers”. Presumably this criteria is tied to direct and indirect recruitment.
Joining We Got Friends
We Got Friends affiliate membership is $20 one-time plus $69.95 a month.
We Got Friends Conclusion
While the pirated streaming side of Legends VIP Network collapsed last year, the company’s website is still up.
On said website you’ll find Legends VIP Network has been repurposed to shill, among other things, “biz opp leads”.
This change occurred in late 2022. Reading between the lines; We Got Friends is a continuation of this shill, selling The Conversion Pros leads through We Got Friends.
The problem is We Got Friends is a $20 and then $69.95 a month pyramid scheme.
Leads can be sold to retail customers but, as noted, this has nothing to do with the MLM opportunity.
We Got Leads as an MLM opportunity can be broken down as follows:
- pay $20 and $69.95 a month
- recruit others who do the same
- get paid
This is a classic MLM pyramid scheme, in line with every MLM opportunity Val Smyth has launched over the years. And with the CashFX Group Ponzi collapsing, David Brooks has come along for the ride.
You might have come across We Got Friends being pitched as “We Got Friends Nitroline”.
Nitroline refers to an automated marketing system, likely pulled from The Conversion Pros.
As with all MLM pyramid schemes, once affiliate recruitment dries up so too will recruitment commissions.
Unless new victims are found, those at the bottom of the We Got Friends pyramid will eventually stop paying their $69.95 a month.
This will see those above them stop getting paid, and eventually also stop paying their $69.95 a month.
Once enough affiliates stop paying their monthly fee due to lack of recruitment, We Got Friends collapses.
Math guarantees the majority of participants in a pyramid scheme lose money.
Update 24th October 2023 – We Got Friends has collapsed. Val Smyth is now reportedly funnelling victims into Got Backup?
I have been pitched many times from a friend of mine.
You always mention the “negatives” of what you think you see or know…why don’t you mention that The Conversion Pros is still in existence since 2016?
You placed this statement right below an image that shows We Got Friends LEAD STORE (isn’t this a retailable product) as part of the membership. We’ll be able to sell leads and get paid commissions on it.
Who’s “pretending”? It’s clearly shown on their website it’s an LLC located in Nevada…there are advantages of owning a LLC in Nevada for business purposes. And partners of LLC CAN do business across state lines.
Again, false info! I’ve been with TCP since 2016 and never seen anything mentioned of Nitroline. TCP’s pay plan is not even close to using a Nitroline!
The majority of participants in a pyramid scheme, if you want to call it that, lose money because they are LAZY, don’t treat it like a business, have the mentality that they “put money in” and expect money to flow, don’t want to learn or increase their skill set, expect it to be like their JOB where they just “show up” and want someone to tell them what and how to do it, don’t know their numbers or what ACTION is required to “break even”, or even set goals….it’s NOT Math.
Because it’s irrelevant. What is relevant, with respect to due-diligence, is Ron Pope and David Dubbs promoting the CashFX Group Ponzi scheme.
Cool. Has nothing to do with the MLM opportunity, as stated in the review.
Where an MLM is operated out is crucial due-diligence. Hiding this information and pretending to be run through a shell company LLC is a red flag (disclosures to consumers, FTC Act).
Yeah, obvs they’re going to give it a new name. When I say “pulled”, that doesn’t mean a 1:1 copy of an existing system (although if it was I wouldn’t be surprised).
This is obvious but you already know that.
What is this, 1999? Math is math.
Stop making excuses for scammers.
“We got friends” I do not know why, but I’m thinking their initial idea was calling this “enterprise” “We got friends in low places”.
Or they’re using “get” in the sense of “swindle”. As in “Haha, you got me good!”
No other conclusion is possible. Otherwise, they’d have said “We Have Friends,” right? Surely they know proper grammar, don’t they?
(/sarcasm)
The official marketing is “we got friends (to promote this pyramid scheme to)”.
What do you mean you can’t recruit anyone? You’ve got friends right?”
Thank you for your review. I used to get mad when I saw your reviews but now that I’ve been scammed by multiple companies, this is the first place I go to for a review.
The pattern seems to be that everytime a new “hot” mlm company hits the news, these types of leads opportunities pop up soon afterwards.
The real test is figuring out how many of the leads are worth paying for and if they’re responsive to biz opps at all.
Many times, the leads are worn out and have been pitched biz opps and lead opps hundreds of times in the past.
Shadowman, What happens is when people join and enter their info they become a biz opp lead down the road. If you leave a phone number you will get hit even harder later on.
That is why I am cautious about what info I give. I normally give an email that I am not concerned about that I know will get sold.
I use a good email with behindMLM.com because I receive good info.
They are still pitching the plans for We got friends nitroline in many places.
I guess with MLM you need to get in on the ground floor, put in some effort, then get out after 6 months before the well dries up!
Sure, if stealing money from people is your only concern.
Most decent human beings are above that.
Yes. You’re basically paying $70 bucks for leads which you become a part of as you build their lead lists which they turn around and sell to hundreds of other folks.
Sereal scammer Lyn Hunt and her husband Trevor have abandoned the AP2C scam and are pushing this scam now…
Launch date is 23rd may…
From her fb post…(refferal whore link removed)…
You are missing one important detail. The leads provided by WGF (100 per month to paying members) can be used for any business venture that someone chooses.
They don’t have to be used for WGF. Will most people use them for WGF? Of course. That only makes sense. But to say there is no retail side of this business is misleading (you actually contradicted yourself in the article).
The success or failure of WGF will be dependent on the quality of leads provided and the advice/leadership provided by Smyth and Dubbs.
The back office training materials are amazing, and can be used for any marketing venture. And they are all included in the monthly fee.
Unlike other network marketing ventures, you are not paying for additional seminars, books, downloads etc. I have taken some time to listen to the materials provided. It’s solid and transferable to other ventures.
So, although I can understand someone may be cautious of MLM, $69.95 a month is likely not going to blow the bank (I bet most people who are reading this spent that on a dinner out this month) to give it a try if you are inclined.
You are not being asked to pay hundreds for a start up kit. You are not expected to go to endless coffee meetings and show “the plan”. You are not blowing thousands on weekend retreats and hotel/travel.
If you get an interested party, you just invite them to a Zoom call and Smyth does the closing for you four nights a week. He explains the business well, so you don’t have to stumble using a napkin and a pen at a food court.
If you pay in for a month or two, use the techniques provided, and really give it an honest shot, and it doesn’t work, okay so get out of it.
Smyth and Dubbs make themselves available to answer questions and provide guidance. You are not under contract to stay in. If you opt out, you are removed from the Nitroline in 90 days.
Thanks.
Not missing so much as it’s irrelevant to We Got Friends operating as a pyramid scheme.
There’s no retail in We Got Friends because it isn’t part of their MLM opportunity. It has nothing to do with what participants in the pyramid scheme use their leads for.
That most of the leads will be used to promote the pyramid scheme is a given. This happens in every “marketing tools” MLM pyramid scheme.
I have been in many businesses over the years that offer much less for a higher monthly fee.
You failed to mention the savings and cashback on items people already buy daily, over 10,000 stores, savings on car insurance, auto parts, plumbing and roofing supplies, construction supplies, food, clothing, etc. Then the Travel savings including savings on flights, hotels, rental cars, and more.
Now if you do not want the leads, training, travel, link in bio, savings and cashback, you can sell all of it as an independent consultant, or just sell leads through the leads portal and earn 30% commission on all those sales.
The cost of that is $20 a year. YES, a year and you can sell all they offer to people who really want it.
Personally I have saved MORE than the $89.95 sign up cost from our products in less than a week. Be a product of the product and you will do very well.
As far as the compensation plan they pay out 6 ways. Including Residual of $12 Per Person in your Weak leg.
As a mother and grandmother who has always been a penny pincher. The savings I get are a true blessing.
Not to mention if I just close 3 of the opportunity seeker leads out of that 100 I am in profit from the get go on the business side also.
Rebecca we’ve already been through this with The Legends Network…
https://behindmlm.com/companies/the-legends-network-review-training-materials-recruitment/#comment-322574
…and Total Takeover…
https://behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/total-takeover-review-two-tier-recruitment-commissions/#comment-328797
How did those pyramid schemes work out for your victims?
Because it doesn’t have anything to do with We Got Friend’s MLM business model.
What you can and can’t do doesn’t change We Got Friends’ MLM opportunity operating as a pyramid scheme.
Dubbs was my enroller/sponsor in Bellamora. I joined a couple of MLMs when I had Stage 3 cancer and hoped to have a financial recovery if I lived.
I’ll never forget the time that Dubbs yelled at me on the phone in his bodybuilder steroids induced rage.
I never spoke to him or joined any of his deals ever again. What a tool. Unfortunately, he’s not the only one.