The Legends Network Review: Training & recruitment
The Legends Network launched in early 2014 and on their website provide a suite address in the US state of Virginia.
Heading up the company is CEO and Founder Bob Bremner (below right).
Attended an A L WILLIAMS opportunity meeting in 1984 and started working part-time building a business in the life insurance and securities market.
Joined a start-up MLM company in 1990 called Consumer Buyline and developed a 200,000+ down line in 18 months.
Founded a MLM company in 1999 specializing in marketing nutritional supplements and continue to serve as the CEO.
Helped found THE LEGENDS NETWORK in January, 2014 and help oversee all phases of the operation of the company.
The MLM company mentioned in Bremner’s Legends Network corporate bio above is Nutronix.
Bremner’s name does not appear on Nutronix’s “About Us” company website page, however his name does appear on various marketing material where he is credited as the company CEO.
Nutronix flagship product is a “Silver Solution”, which the company claims ‘is a 14 ppm concentration nano-particulate solution that is very potent, effective, and non-toxic.‘
Read on for a full review of the Legends Network MLM business opportunity.
The Legends Network Product Line
No products are mentioned on The Legends Network website. It appears The Legends Network affiliates are only able to market affiliate membership to the company itself.
Bundled with The Legends Network affiliate membership is access to “webinars, recordings and an audio library”.
The Legends Network Compensation Plan
The Legends Network compensation plan revolves around the recruitment of affiliates and their payment of monthly membership fees. Commissions are primarily paid out via a 2×15 matrix, with affiliates able to generate additional matrix positions via specified recruitment quotas.
The Legends Network pay out recruitment commissions using a 2-up style compensation structure.
The first two new affiliates a Legends Network affiliate recruits are passed up to the affiliate who recruited them, with an affiliate then receiving a commission for every new affiliate recruited thereafter.
These first two pass-up commissions pay out $50 to an affiliate’s upline, with the affiliate then paid $80 for every affiliate recruited after that.
A $30 coded bonus is paid on the third recruited affiliate the passed up affiliates recruit, and every affiliate they subsequently recruit.
A $30 matching bonus is also paid on affiliates recruited by every subsequent affiliate after their first two recruits are passed up.
The Legends Network use a 2×15 matrix to pay out residual commissions.
A 2×15 matrix places an affiliate at the top of the matrix, with two positions directly under them (level 1):
In turn, these two positions branch out into another two positions each (level 2), and then again for level 3. This process of creating two new positions per position in the level before it continues down for a total of 15 levels.
Commissions are paid out as positions in the matrix are filled via affiliate recruitment, with how much of a commission being paid out determined by how much a Legends Network affiliate pays in monthly fees:
- basic level affiliate ($24.99 a month) – 50 cents on levels 1 to 10 and $1 on levels 11 to 15
- pro level ($49.95 a month) – $5 on level 1, 50 cents on level 2 to 10 and $1 on levels 11 to 15
Note that to qualify for matrix commissions, a Legends Network affiliate must maintain two personally recruited affiliates at all times.
A 100% matching bonus is also offered on the matrix earnings of all personally recruited affiliates.
Additional Matrix Positions
If a Legends Network affiliate recruits two new affiliates who recruit two new affiliates each, they qualify for an additional matrix position. This additional position functions as a brand new matrix, allowing a Legends Network affiliate to potentially earn multiple times on positions within their existing matrix.
Note that additional matrix positions continue to be awarded so long as an affiliate maintains two recruited affiliates who recruit two affiliates, all of which pay their monthly membership fees.
If this qualification is not met, an affiliate will lose the additional position(s) the non-paying affiliates were attached to.
Pro Gold Leadership Infinity
The Pro Gold Leadership Infinity bonus pays out a Legends Network affiliate an additional $1 a month commission on recruited pro level affiliates.
The commission starts at level 7 and is paid down up to 15 generations of recruitment, subject to the following recruitment criteria:
- level 7 – have 75 affiliates in your downline
- level 8 – have 150 affiliates in your downline
- level 9 – have 300 affiliates in your downline
- level 10 – have 500 affiliates in your downline
- level 11 – have 1000 affiliates in your downline
- level 12 – have 2000 affiliates in your downline
- level 13 – have 5000 affiliates in your downline
- level 14 – have 25,000 affiliates in your downline
- level 15 – have 50,000 affiliates in your downline
Note that for the purpose of qualification, only 75% of any of the above totals may be counted from any one single line of recruitment.
The Legends Network Achievement Bonus rewards an affiliate for growing their affiliate downline and eventually filling their matrix:
- 75 affiliates in downline = $150
- 150 affiliates in downline = $300
- 300 affiliates in downline = $600
- 500 affiliates in downline = $1000
- 1000 affiliates in downline = $2000
- 2000 affiliates in downline = $4000
- 5000 affiliates in downline = $10,000
- 25,000 affiliates in downline = $50,000
- 50,000 affiliates in downline = $100,000
- all 15 levels of a matrix filled = $1,000,000
Note that as with the Pro Gold Leadership Infinity Bonus, only 75% of the required affiliate numbers can be counted from any one line of recruitment.
Joining The Legends Network
Affiliate membership with The Legends Network is $129.95, with affiliates charged either $24.99 monthly after their first month (basic level) or $49.95 (pro level).
Echoing the e-book libary MLM schemes of old, The Legends Network boils down to little more than the shuffling of affiliate fees, paid out to those who recruit the most.
With no retail sales in sight, all commissions are not only subject to affiliate recruitment but are also 100% paid out using affiliate participation fees.
The training materials offered with affiliate membership serve as a front for what is actually being purchased, a position in the compensation plan. Specifically, a position in a matrix with subsequent positions obtainable via recruitment.
The Legends Network also directly incentivize their pro subscription level, adding a “pay to play” element on top of what is already a dubious enough recruitment scheme (2 recruits required for matrix commission qualification).
As with all pyramid schemes, once recruitment slows down and those at the bottom find they can’t find anyone to recruit, they stop paying their participation fee.
When that happens those above them stop earning commissions and if they can’t find anyone new to recruit, also stop paying their fee. This effect eventually trickles up the company-wide matrix until the scheme suffers an irreversible collapse.
I don’t know what the situation is over at Nutronix is, but things must be looking pretty bleak if Bob Bremner is launching compliance-nightmare schemes like The Legends Network.
Bob Bremner should know better than to get involved with yet another money game type mlm.
Is this the same Bob Bremner?
Robert Bremner was convicted by a jury of four counts of willfully evading income taxes in violation of 26 U.S.C.A. § 7201 ( West 1989 & Supp. 2000), and sentenced to eighteen months imprisonment.
I just found this link as well. So, it must be the same Robert G. Bremner, Jr.
CBI appears to have been a 2 x 9 recruiting scheme matrix with an overpriced buyers club attached (Purchase Power sold for about $7.50 per member per year and less with volume – – nice markup :))
Hmm, looks like we have a serial offender here.
This article is so ridiculous I don’t even know where to start.
First off, I was in Consumers Buyline too back in the early 90s and it was an awesome company. Yes, we were sued by the SEC in VA, but we won the case. The governments own witnesses, when questioned, said they used the service all time and loved it and saved tons of money. The judge was so upset that he didn’t even let the defense speak and threw the case out.
We could not do business during this time so the damage done, even though we won the case it was over. When you say “nice markup”, that’s hilarious. It was $15 a month to be a distributor.
If you are in MLM, the product you are paying for is marked up 8-10 times cost or much more. (By the way, just go over to EBay and buy any companies products for 50% off.) Look at nerium selling a month supply of face cream for $100 and it costs them less than $5. Or even worse, FGXpress selling .05 pain patches for $60. I could go on and on.
This is my favorite part of the article. “As with all pyramid schemes, once recruitment slows down and those at the bottom find they can’t find anyone to recruit, they stop paying their participation fee.” I used to hear that all the time. “What happens when everyone is in?” OMG.
Amway has been going since the 1959. If they just signed 2 that year, they just signed up 2 the next year and so on, there should be 360,000,000,000,000,000 distributors in Amway right now. WOW! That’s a big number. I wonder if Amway is still in business.
Then there is “Echoing the e-book libary MLM schemes of old, The Legends Network boils down to little more than the shuffling of affiliate fees, paid out to those who recruit the most.”
I love your writing skills. “The MLM Schemes of Old”, sounds like a chapter out of the Hobbit. Obviously you have not looked at the website. TLN has more value than any company I have seen in a while. All you have to do is look at the homepage and see that for yourself, (Ozedit: spam removed).
I will let the reader make up his own mind there.
Lastly, this is Val Smyth’s baby. Val started Mentors in Motion in 2001 and trained some of the biggest internet marketers today including Russell Brunson, Jeff Mills and Empower Network.
I guess if you don’t think there is a place for education in this business you can go on doing what you are doing. The fact is 95% of those in MLM don’t make any money and we want to change that.
And also, we pay out 80% in commissions, this a company by Distributors For Distributors in every way.
Anyway I could go, this is fun. But my fingers are getting tired.
(Ozedit: Offtopic whinging removed)
I did a quick search and all that came up was this:
I have no idea what that’s doing up on a website called Worldwide Religious News, but it’s in stark contrast to your rosy story.
To the point though, can you provide evidence to the contrary? Otherwise it sounds like Consumers Byline was shutdown and you’re telling porky pies (*gasp*).
Right. Nothing suss.
Given that it’s the Achilles heel of pyramid schemes, I’m not surprised.
Cool story bro. Amway has nothing to do with Legends Network.
Amway have legitimate retailable products, unlike Legends Network.
Furthermore not everyone alive is interested in joining pyramid schemes, so your premise is flawed. And what Amway do or don’t have has nothing to do with Legends Network. Attempting to introduce them into the discussion is offtopic derailing.
Be that as it may, it’s still true. Legends Network has the old “ebook training scheme” stink all over it.
It’s been a while since I’ve come across one though, so I suppose we’re overdue for a reboot.
Is this the same “Blair Bremner” whose YouTube account is used to host the official marketing videos on the Legends Network website?
If so, how about some disclosure. That you share the same surname as the Founder is perhaps just a co-incidence? Please.
No idea who they are, don’t really care. As for EN, a gifting scheme on the resume is only going to impress a certain type of player.
I don’t think there’s a place for recruitment-driven schemes masquerading as legitimate MLM opportunities. Education is neither here nor there.
Subject to the ongoing recruitment of new affiliates. You’re ultimately going to screw over the distributors at the bottom who can’t find anyone to recruit.
There’s no innovation here, you’ve just resurrected the old ‘ebook library training” subscription scheme model.
I’m not going to go back and forth. But we won that SEC case in VA. You can do your own research. You obviously have an ax to grind for some reason.
Eventually, it was shut down, but not for the reasons you stated in your original article.
By the way, this was in the early 90s. And we were just distributors with the company who got burned like everyone else.
I just checked your site and saw the first post on Zeek Rewards was in October 2013!! Here we are just 3 months old getting an article and Zeek was running roughshod over distributors for years while you just sat there.
If you really wanted to do good for your readers, you would warn them about real scams like Brain Abundance, Skinny Body or any Binary program.
As far as TLN, this is so far from an e-book its not even funny. Again, your readers can see the site for themselves. Maybe you should take a look as well.
So that’s a no on providing proof then? All we have on the record is this company being shutdown for being a pyramid scheme in 24 states.
for being a pyramid scheme. Right. Moving on…
(but for the record, Consumers Byline was never mentioned in “the article”)
I’m just going to quote this as is. The stupidity is just too much to deal with on a Saturday night.
Well good thing you’re here then. Because y’know, not like there’s a search-bar or anything.
A recruitment scheme that bundles “how to recruit” marketing material with participation fees. Yeah, totally different to the old ebook libary scams.
PS. You forgot to disclose whether or not your related to Bob Bremner.
Raniere, who founded Consumers’ Byline, has a long rap sheet in cults. There are allegations that NXIVM managed to induce a member or two to suicide, and got an heiress or two to hand over tens of millions.
However, NXIVM had courted high-level people and used aggressive legal tactics to squash criticism, and even sued Rick Ross, the cult expert, and parents of an alleged victim for “conspiracy” to defame. As for CBI…
How does “settled” translate into “we won”?
Sounds like your typical “we totally weren’t a pyramid scheme, we just paid fines for running one” case.
Perhaps by the time VA had their go the judge felt sympathetic the other twenty something states had steamrolled the poor buggers into the ground.
(Ozedit: This is a waffle-free zone. Try a pancake house if that’s your thing.)
The case was dismissed, thrown out, whatever term you want to use. Again, we were just distributors like everyone else.
Was that after or before Consumers Byline was “shut down after 25 state and federal investigations alleged it was a pyramid scheme”?
Promoting pyramid schemes is illegal.
Also, you yet again failed to disclose whether or not you are related to Bob Bremner.
Obviously, if we had any doubts or concerns we would have never joined in the first place. They had good lawyers and they said it was fine. If the states want to shut you down, they will, regardless of legal status. And that’s what happened here.
The product was shown legitimate in the SEC case. It was the first time in their history a case was thrown out without even hearing the defense. Did you wake on the wrong side of the bed today?
A few more links…
Op-ed column: Dalai Lama’s visit to Albany sponsored by cult-like group // Schenectady Daily Gazette/March 29, 2009 // By Daniel T. Weaver
retrieved from NOLINK://www.dailygazette.com/news/2009/mar/29/0329_weaver/?print
Cult of Personality, published in Forbes.com / Oct. 13, 2006 / by
So it appears that what really happened is Raniere and Consumer Byline quit the fight altogether. AND waited 5 years, a commonly stipulated period to start his next thing, NXIVM, in 1998.
Consumers Byline is alleged to be a cult by cult experts during its days. Makes you wonder what did Mr. Bremner *really* learn from his stint in Consumers Byline?
By the amount of downline, he may be right near the top, and may be one of Raniere’s top disciples in brainwashing, as explained by several cult experts.
Oops, hit post before I meant to. Seems Bremner wasn’t too fond of his boss, eh?
Horseshit. They have to go through the courts, the same as anyone else.
Yet you can’t provide any proof? All we have in writing from a third-party is that it was shutdown for being a pyramid scheme.
Uh, that a product is legitimate or not hasn’t been at the forefront of any pyramid scheme cases I’ve seen from the SEC. They nail pyramid schemes based on their business models.
Product legitimacy is restricted to retail viability, demonstrated by the existence of significant retail sales.
In any event, unless you can provide proof Consumers Byline wasn’t shut down for being a pyramid scheme following complaints filed by 25 states, I’m treating it as offtopic.
Ditto your next comment not addressing whether or not you are related to Bob Bremner.
If it was “thrown out” there’d be still a record SOMEWHERE. Cite it, or STFU about your “big fish story”.
There were thousands of distributors involved before we joined. And yes, Raniere was a strange one for sure. He was actually one of the 3 smartest people in the world with a 240 IQ.
He was a classical pianist as well, and when he had a tough problem to solve, he would play the piano, and when he was done, the problem would be solved in his head. He was a trip. But we never got caught up in his cult thing. That kicked in after the company was over. But I did see it starting.
He had some followers, mostly women. He had like a harem, it was hilarious. They would follow him around. He never carried money either. Who doesn’t want a group women worshipping the ground you walk following you around everywhere. And they were hot. No kidding.
Blair Bremner, was VP of Marketing in Nutronix
Oh, I think that’s him here: (WARNING website rated low on WOT)
Wow, sorry, you are still focused on the SEC case, you can’t find the verdict anywhere? Gotta be somewhere. You may have to go to downtown Richmond.
You claimed it. YOU go find it.
You guys are too much. Let’s just end this on a good note, ok? I have no reason to lie. Obviously, there is a record somewhere and I would look pretty foolish wouldn’t I? So you’ll just have to take my word for it. I was there, it happened.
(Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempt removed)
Here we go…
If he wrote Nutronix comp plan he’s likely responsible for this one too. What with dad being a founder and all.
So strange that someone who has been involved in the industry for so long has NFI about retail and compliance.
Dad was called out for being in a pyramid scheme, you too. No reason to lie? Pfft.
The only records I’m seeing is that Consumers Byline was shut down for being a pyramid scheme, and settled (paid pyramid scheme fines) with a bunch of states till their asses bled dry.
As I said before, (Ozedit: “In any event, unless you can provide proof Consumers Byline wasn’t shut down for being a pyramid scheme following complaints filed by 25 states, I’m treating it as offtopic.”).
BTW, the customer option is going up this week for TLN. We wanted to get plenty of good content first. We did just start by the way, lol.
No I don’t have to take your word for it. You could have been lied to, deceived, came to the wrong conclusion, interpreted the facts wrong, etc. etc. For all I know, your old man told you that.
I much prefer to deal with FACTS rather than unverifiable “trust me on this” caveats. It’s HEARSAY, and hearsay is not evidence.
Maybe we should check if TLN resembles NXIVM in some way. There’s a lot of news coverage on NXIVM, IIRC.
So why were affiliates signing up if there was little to no “good content” available?
When you start off with a recruitment scheme and this is what your affiliates have to market, things tend to not change. Irrespective of what the company adds to the business later.
They did have good content, we started with 10 exclusive interviews and added 10-15 a month. Again, we just started in April, lol. So now we have about 40 incredible interviews in the backoffice (Ozedit: spam removed).
And Val is adding 4-5 interviews a month. These are not cookie cutter ebooks. These are exclusive interviews from the top industry leaders, online and offline today.
And you can get access to this amazing audio library for just $24.95 a month.
In addition, we have the entire interview with Larry Winget on the homepage as a sample.
Larry Winget, television personality who has hosted his own television series on A&E, been featured in two CNBC specials, had his own PBS special and is a regular contributor on FOX News, FOX Business and other news networks as a personal development/business/financial guru.
Larry brings the credibility of a six-time Wall Street Journal/New York Times bestselling author. And, a twenty-year veteran speaker who has spoken to 400 of the Fortune 500 companies and is in the Speaker Hall of Fame.
Simply put, anyone serious about building successful home based business should be listening to these interviews.
I’m really not sure why you guys don’t see the value in that? It’s really the first time this has ever been done they way are doing it. Why don’t you go listen to the Larry Winget interview for yourself to see the amazing value distributors and customers get here.
We expect to have quite a few customers. We are already working with leaders who want their groups plugging into this training for their teams.
90+% of distributors out there are making little to no money in this industry. This will go a long way to help change that we believe.
People pay thousands of dollars for a weekend with some of these speakers so I think the value here is beyond question.
The model is the same as the ebook training schemes, only the delivery method is different.
“Leaders” aren’t going to generate retail customers, they’re going to generate affiliates.
You need retail customers and these ebook library training type schemes typically fall flat on that front.
“Art of Charm” have interviewed over 100 experts in areas from fitness training to reading body language and other topics.
And it’s ALL FREE.
People in MLM don’t need inspiration. They need a better business model that they can profit from without making recruiting a major component of their “business”.
This eLibrary approach had been done before. You’re not adding much new to formula. The result won’t be that different.
As Narcotics Anonymous wrote… repeating what you’re doing and expect different results is a form of insanity.
First off, ebook programs like Four Corners Alliance offer 16 books that you can probably get anywhere. No ebook company I have seen is putting out 4-5 new ebooks every month. This is completely different.
Not everyone is going to want to participate in the referral program. But they will want access to these audios for their primary business. And they can get it for just $24.95 a month.
Would you at least acknowledge that there is value in this? Before you just go off and answer that, please look at the website and listen to the Larry Winget interview.
That is the question here isn’t it?
We are not bad people over here trying to screw people. If I didn’t think it had value, I would not be doing this. They are paying out 80% in commissions, so this is definitely no big money maker for the company that I can see.
And what, you think the marketers in your interviews tapped into the universe to come up with revolutionary recruitment training? Pull the other one.
Plenty have come and gone. They all promise to “add new titles every month” etc.
Not beyond the income opportunity. I can’t see non-affiliates shelling out $24.95 a month for rehashed marketing training.
The personal development/training MLM niche is beyond saturated.
Do you have a position in the matrix? Does your dad? Does the company?
I hear you K. Chang. People in MLM don’t need inspiration, they need an education which they are not getting. This business is not easy. If you want to be a doctor, you can’t just decide to go operate on someone. You have to go to school.
I see so many people jump into MLM with no idea what they are getting into, what to do and the struggle it will involve. This will help anyone take their game to the next level.
Cmon chief. Your primary market is obviously MLM affiliates.
What, you think they’re going to sign up as retail customers?
Recruitment training (or MLM training in general) has zero appeal to non-participants.
How about this, Blair.
Give us a preview of the titles and their subjects that you’ll be offering in the library. That ain’t a secret, right?
If it’s mostly rah rah like “Think like a Winner” or “No Fear Approach to MLM” or some such (I made those up) than Oz’s is probably right, you’re no different than Amway Support Organizations selling “tools”.
If it’s more PRACTICAL stuff like “FIGS sales technique explained” or “Budgeting for Entrepreneurs” then you may actually be helping people.
So, which is it?
Isn’t TLN similar to a short lived interview-type online magazine Val Smyth had launched about 7 or 8 years ago?
Just my observation, but if the case you are referring to was really tossed in your favor, you not only would have the link to this fact, but you would show it in headline news font. The fact you can’t, simply says it didn’t happen.
Next you will be trying to tell us that dear old dad did not get charged, convicted and lost on appeal his failing to file taxes case. Or was that just made-up as well?
But I do congratulate you on deflection, avoidance, tap dancing, smoke and mirrors and obfuscation. You just picked the wrong group to do it in.
For what it’s worth Blair did leave a reply, however he failed to answer any questions put to him and instead took the opportunity to launch into a wall-of-text rant about other MLM companies.
I marked it as offtopic spam.
One would hope the refusal to answer the most basic of questions in a straight-forward matter (he still hasn’t acknowledged his relation to the Founder), and Blair’s consistent attempts to derail the discussion are not reflective of how Bremner and son run the company.
One hopes that Blair’s not related to Anjali. 😉
What is truly sad is there are people that bought the lie that the Virginia case was dismissed against Robert. It makes no difference how much you show them it is not true, they still refuse to believe it. Talk about a cult of brainwashed people.
I might be able to understand it if Robert/Bob was somewhat charismatic, but he’s not. Some just have to learn the hard way.
Wow this has been fun reading. I have to say I am very Very pleased with The Legends Network.
I have been in networking over 10 years. I have been in over 50 companies in that time. I had plenty of motivation, yet could not build anything substantial.
I Started with TLN March 19th. Started listening to the Audios in the back office, gained confidence and learned how to grow my business. I currently Have over 15,000 paid members on my team. I have earned over $10,000 per month now for the last 2 months and expect the same with this months commissions.
I have teammates who have bypassed me in rank and pay. I am Grateful to Val, Blair and all involved in showing my team and I how to really grow in networking.
Remember Your past failures or mistakes do NOT create who you are today. Your ability to learn and grow from where you were does.
Someone at the top of a recruitment-driven scheme is “very pleased”? Amazing.
More unexpected news at 10…
I don’t think I see ads for this at all now. So once you get past the fast start bonuses the comp plan isn’t very appealing since you need a large number in your downline for the residual to mean anything.
What good is listening to a bunch of interviews going to do you. When the webinars to the Legends network don’t use them as their template for their own training. Its all about the comp plan.
Rebecca Stevenson isn’t so pleased anymore. She got kicked out of the pyramid scheme per her post on Facebook:
Well, that was short-lived. According to her FB post she’s “resigned” so she’s obviously not interested in an investigation clearing her name.
I wonder what she did…
The Legends Network, putting the “indepedent” in independent distributor.
Was it Dubli? They seem to be on fire in the “ruining MLM careers” movement at the moment…
She’s running a Facebook group called Team build for serious builders. It looks like they will be joining a copycat program of TLN with the same 2 Up Comp Plan. Val Smyth is the founder.
Ah well, guess the recruitment dried up and it was time to reboot.
Such is the life of an opportunity jumper.
Time for you guys to do a review on the prelaunch deal Total Takeover
MoneyMakerGroup has someone posting a thread about it
Val Smyth deal
The Legends Network training didn’t do so well? Now they need another training deal? What’s wrong with the last one? It was another matrix deal too
All these matrix deals. It’s all about getting in first and then joining the next one
2×15 matrix takes forever to fill up for people coming in later who are sold on the “No sponsoring required” nonsense
Ponzi Detective is right! This totaltakeover”dot”com scam is starting now. Being pimped by David Sherman, Sheila Mallet and several other conning ponzi pimps!
Scams with 2 up comp plans rarely last a year; so, it’s no surprise that the top promoters of TLN started a copycat program and named it Total TakeOver.
from the looks of it all these people who said Val was teh owner now say he’s not and they are running to this new scam TT crap…hahaha how many times can they screw you???
I’m floored. Please Oz tell me these idiots are really not doing this?
The audio interview stuff Total Takeover are offering (including the image mockups of magazines) are identical to what is/was available in The Legends Network.
I don’t know why Smyth was never formally credited as an owner/co-owner on TLN website when I wrote this review.