USFIA Review: GemCoin Ponzi points investment
I’ve had a few requests to review USFIA over the past month or so, but have held off due to the difficulty in accessing accurate information about the company.
Following bits of pieces coming in from the various readers along with my own research, I now believe I’ve got enough to put together an accurate USFIA review.
For MLM opportunity evaluation purposes, USFIA’s website isn’t very helpful but does provide some basic background information:
USFIA INC. is founded and owned by the US China Consultation Association, specialized in gem mining and processing, headquartered in Los Angeles, California.
According to the website, USFIA stands for “US Fine Investment Arts”.
There’s no information about who’s running USFIA on their website, nor any further information about it purportedly being run out of California.
The USFIA website domain (“usfiainc.com”) was registered on the 19th of July 2013, with a “Steve Chen” of “Alliance Financial Group Inc.” listed as the owner. An address in the US state of California is also provided, which is presumably where USFIA is being operated from.
Chen appears in various marketing material pertaining both to USFIA and the US China Consultation Association.
The following image is taken from a USFIA marketing material and identifies Chen as the President of USFIA:
Alarmingly the above slide also identifies John Wuo (cited as “John Wu”), an elected government official of the City of Arcadia, California.
Wuo, identified above as the mayor of Arcadia, is an Arcadia City Council member.
John Wuo was first elected to the City Council in 2002 and has been re-elected for his third four-year term in 2012, after sitting out for the required two year “timeout” in 2010.
He has served as a Centennial Mayor for the City of Arcadia in 2003 and three full terms in 2005-2006, 2009-2010 and 2014-2015.
I believe the “centennial mayor” position is likely the cause of his misidentification in USFIA marketing material.
In any event, the slide also credits Wuo as the Honorable Chairman of the USFIA Currency Fund.
Further research reveals the USFIA Currency Fund credited with the issuing of GemCoins, a cryptocurrency attached to the USFIA business opportunity.
Whether or not there is any direct relationship between USFIA and the City of Arcadia is unclear.
As to what the US China Consultation Association (UCCA) is, according to one USFIA affiliate presentation the organization is
made (up) of Chinese and American counselors from top industry fields around the world.
The goal is to establish a high level platform to facilitate communication between China and America, politically as well as economically.
The same presentation credits Steve Chen (right) as Vice Chairman of UCCA.
For all intents and purposes, it appears Steve Chen is the owner of USFIA.
Trying to dig deeper than that is where the headaches begin.
Going through Chinese isn’t my forte, so instead for further reading I’ll direct you to a RealScam forum thread full of well put together information.
Pay particular attention to posts #17 and #18 which, based off a Chinese news report, suggest USFIA is a reload scam that has previously collapsed twice in China.
When you’re done, read on for a full review of the USFIA MLM business opportunity.
The USFIA Product Line
USFIA has no retailable products or services, with affiliates only able to market affiliate membership with the company itself ($1000 to $30,000).
There is a “products” section on the USFIA website, in which a number of jade stones are presented in a catalog format.
These items however are not for sale (no prices are given, nor is the catalog an online storefront), with the jade products having nothing to do with the USFIA MLM income opportunity (as per the USFIA compensation plan).
The USFIA Compensation Plan
The USFIA compensation plan sees affiliates invest between $1000 and $30,000 in GemCoin points. USFIA affiliates are then paid to recruit other affiliates who do the same.
GemCoin Points Investment
When a USFIA affiliate joins the company, they are required to invest between $1000 to $30,000 in GemCoin points:
- $1000 – 20,000 GemCoin points
- $2000 – 40,000 GemCoin points
- $5000 – 100,000 GemCoin points
- $10,000 – 200,000 GemCoin points
- $30,000 – 600,000 GemCoin points
One GemCoin point sells for 5 cents, with the value of the points allegedly pegged to the sale of amber within USFIA.
Purportedly every $8,000,000 worth of amber sold in USFIA drives the point value up by $0.01.
Every $40,000,000 worth of amber sold results in a “split”, which sees everyone’s GemCoin point value doubled (resulting in a reduced individual GemCoin point value).
Recruitment Commissions
USFIA affiliates are paid when they recruit new affiliates who invest, at a rate of 10% of the funds initially invested:
- $1000 invested = $100 commission
- $2000 invested = $200 commission
- $5000 invested = $500 commission
- $10,000 invested = $1000 commission
- $30,000 invested = $3000 commission
Additional Investment Commissions
Should a USFIA affiliate invest additional funds in GemCoin points, a commission is paid out on funds invested via a unilevel compensation structure.
A unilevel compensation structure places an affiliate at the top of a unilevel team, with every personally recruited affiliate placed directly under them (level 1):
If any level 1 affiliates go on to recruit new affiliates of their own, they are placed on level 2 of the original affiliate’s unilevel team.
If any level 2 affiliates recruit new affiliates, they are placed on level 3 and so on and so forth down a theoretical infintie number of levels.
USFIA cap payable unilevel levels at twelve, with commissions paid out as a percentage of additional funds invested.
How much of a percentage is paid out is determined by what level of a unilevel team the affiliate reinvested is placed on:
- level 1 (personally recruited affiliates) – 20%
- levels 2 to 6 – 10%
- levels 7 to 12 – 5%
Residual Commissions (binary)
Residual commissions in USFIA are paid out using a binary compensation structure.
A binary compensation structure places an affiliate at the top of two positions, with these positions forming the start of left and right binary teams:
Positions in these binary teams are filled as new USFIA affiliates are recruited, either directly or via the recruiting efforts of a USFIA affiliate’s upline and downline.
Investment volume is tracked through both binary teams, with USFIA affiliates paid a percentage commission of funds invested in the weaker binary side (the side with less funds invested).
How much of a percentage is paid out is determined by how much a USFIA affiliate initially invested when they joined the company:
- $1000 and $2000 investment – 8%
- $5000 investment – 10%
- $10,000 investment – 12%
- $30,000 investment – 15%
Matching Bonus
USFIA pay out a matching bonus on binary commissions earned by recruited affiliates, paid out down three levels of recruitment:
- level 1 (personally recruited affiliates) – 50% binary earnings match
- levels 2 and 3 – 25% binary earnings match
Leadership Bonus
In order to qualify for the Leadership Bonus, a USFIA affiliate must
- personally recruit seven affiliates or
- recruit two affiliates who in turn recruit two new affiliates each
Once qualified, they receive a share in a 100% match on their direct upline’s binary earnings.
Eg. If an upline has ten qualified immediate downlines and earns $5,000 in binary commissions in a day, each of those ten qualified affiliates will receive a $500 Leadership Bonus.
Guaranteed Income
Referred to as “Manager Monthly Income”, USFIA guarantee ranked affiliates the following monthly income:
- 1 Star (have two recruited affiliates who have $300,000 in binary team volume) = $20,000 a month guaranteed income
- 2 Star (have two recruited affiliates who have $500,000 in binary team volume) = $40,000 a month guaranteed income
- 3 Star (have three recruited affiliates who have $500,000 in binary team volume) = $60,000 a month guaranteed income
- 4 Star (have four recruited affiliates who have $500,000 in binary team volume) = $80,000 a month guaranteed income
- 5 Star (have five recruited affiliates who have $500,000 in binary team volume) = $100,000 a month guaranteed income
- Director (have six recruited affiliates who have $500,000 in binary team volume) = $1,500,000 a month guaranteed income
Although not explicitly clarified, I believe qualified binary volume counted from the weaker side only.
Bonus Incentives
At certain binary earnings milestones, USFIA affiliates are rewarded with the following bonus incentives:
- $30,000 in binary earnings for three consecutive months = a BMW
- $60,000 in binary earnings for three consecutive months = a Mercedes-Benz
- $80,000 in binary earnings for nine consecutive months = a house
- $100,000 in binary earnings for twelve consecutive months = a bigger house
- $100,000 in binary earnings = “a trip to Asia”
- $150,000 in binary earnings = “a trip to North America”
- $200,000 in binary earnings = “a trip to Europe”
Note that I’m not being intentionally vague with the above descriptions, this is what is presented in USFIA compensation plan documentation.
Joining USFIA
Affiliate membership with USFIA is tied investment in GemCoins, pegging USFIA affiliate membership costs between $1000 and $30,000.
The primary difference between the available investment packages is income potential through the USFIA compensation plan (see above).
Conclusion
When USFIA launched in late 2013, the company originally had affiliates invest in “points”.
At some point Steve Chen and the rest of USFIA management probably realized this was a sure-fire way to attract the attention of the SEC, so “points” were renamed to “GemCoins” in September 2014.
GemCoins function the same as the previously issued “points”, making the transition merely cosmetic.
One side-effect of presenting the points as a cryptocurrency however, has meant USFIA can tout the usual “we will be bigger than BitCoin” comparisons that are trotted out.
Of note is that USFIA attempted to trademark “GemCoin” shortly after it was launched.
The United States Patent and Trademark Office however denied the application on December 22nd, 2014, citing possible confusion with an existing trademark.
At this point I honestly don’t know what it is with Asia and faux cryptocurrencies schemes, but here we are again with yet another variation of the Zeek Rewards Ponzi points business model.
Instead of a penny auction, the ruse in USFIA is the sale of amber – which purportedly is what the value of GemCoins is pegged to.
In reality any sale of amber has nothing to do with USFIA as an MLM opportunity, with the only source of revenue being affiliate investment. Thus it follows that it is this same investment that is used to attach a perceived value to GemCoins.
Think about it for a minute and ask yourself;
If USFIA were generating millions of dollars in sales of amber, with enough regularity to launch a cryptocurrency with an ever-increasing value based on said trade, why wouldn’t they just concentrate on selling amber and pocket the profit?
Why share all that money with a bunch of USFIA GemCoin investors?
The rest of the USFIA compensation plan is recruitment-based, serving as an incentive to recruit new investors to keep USFIA from collapsing.
In terms of securities law within the US, quite obviously USFIA are making a securities offering by way of GemCoin point investment.
To that end neither “USFIA” or “US Fine investment arts” appears in the SEC’s Edgar database, raising the question of unregistered securities being offered.
And at this point, like myself, you’re probably wondering how Steve Chen has flown under the regulatory radar in the US for so long.
I mean what, USFIA launched in 2013 and BehindMLM is only writing a review now? What gives?
The answer is that up until only recently USFIA and their Ponzi points were marketed in Chinese to primarily Chinese investors.
Alexa traffic estimates of the USFIA website reveal that 34.6% of all traffic to the domain originates from China. Russia, another non-English speaking country comes in at second, providing an estimated 11.6% of traffic. Then you’ve got Spain, France and Taiwan.
It is only recently that USFIA and GemCoin have branched out into going after the English-speaking market, testament to the fact that review requests began flooding in a month or so ago.
Furthermore Alexa traffic estimates indicate that USFIA only took off a year ago, indicating the scheme was somewhat dormant till mid-2014.
Now a year has gone by since that initial burst of investment, and likely with a bunch of Chinese investors hoarding thousands, if not millions of GemCoins, they’re looking for new suckers to dump the coins onto.
Best case scenario? GemCoin pops up on the SEC’s radar by years end and USFIA is revealed to be a global multi-million dollar Ponzi scheme.
Worst case scenario? GemCoin and USFIA are already under SEC investigation, with imminent enforcement action pending.
Either way, those who weren’t part of the initial band of Chinese investors lose out.
Update 28th June 2015 – For a deeper look into the origins of USFIA, in particular their operations in China, read our “Digging deeper into the USFIA GemCoin Ponzi scam” follow up article to this review.
Update 2nd July 2015 – Arcadia City Mayor John Wuo has publicly denied any involvement in USFIA.
AFAIK a “Centennial Mayor” is anybody on the city Centennial celebration committee. City was founded 1903. There’s certainly more than one, as this is another city councilman:
Oh, and GemCoin / USFIA is already under warning in Spain.
cincodias.com/cincodias/2015/05/18/mercados/1431936937_999222.html
According to a Chinese report, Gemcoin wasn’t launched until September 2014 at a press conference in New York Hilton. The basic claim is AFG backs USFIA, and AFG has gem mines all around the world. (Hmmm… did UToken copy them?)
epochtimes.com/gb/14/10/10/n4268774.htm%E5%AF%8C%E8%B1%AA%E5%9F%BA%E9%87%91%E7%8F%8D%E5%AE%9D%E5%B8%819%E6%9C%88%E5%A7%8B%E5%8F%91%E8%A1%8C.html
If AFG has gem mines all around the world producing jabillions of dollars in amber sales, what on Earth do they need the whole GemCoin ruse for?
Pocket the jabillions of dollars in profit. Oh right… it’s all Ponzi lies.
cause they’re good loving people who like to share.
ponzi’s are all about ‘love’ and ‘sharing’ and ‘helping’.
fie on you haters!!
BTW, Oz, John Wuo was indeed 3-times ex-Mayor of Arcadia. The city’s own webpage confirms he’s a current councilman and ex-Mayor multiple times.
So what’s he doing involved with this nonsense then…
i am increasing finding that ponzi schemes and politics are often benchmates.
i thought this was unique to india, but now i see it in malaysia and even low level politics in the US.
ponzis are quick easy money, for people who know how to ‘work’ the public, and can lend itself to political dreams of the promoters.
Interesting, the video referenced in RealScam mentioned that the alleged predecessor scam was busted as a part of Operation Foxhunt 2014, where Chinese MinSec agents travelled to Thailand, attended promo event undercover, gathered evidence, got Thai police to nab several perps and apparently extradited 6 perps back to China.
Same term “Proto-stock 原使股” was mentioned. The perps were specifically mentioned to have escaped to the US. However, not all 6 were involved in the amber scam. Some where involved in the YSLM (Cloud-Digital-Commerce / 雲數貿)scam.
Here’s a self explanation in Chinese about how widespread this is:
mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MzAwMzMwNzY0Nw==&mid=203756014&idx=1&sn=ee85aff9063c9b2c9a54dd0b49d8f13f&3rd=MzA3MDU4NTYzMw==&scene=6#rd
TL;DR version: USFIA.INC 美洲矿业有限公司 (literally US Continental Mining Industry Ltd) controlled by UCCA 中美政治协商促进会 (literally: China US Political Consultive Promotion Committee) includes members of Chinese CPPCC member (see ref below), members of US Congress (美国国会议员) and the elite of leaders around the world.
CPPCC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_People's_Political_Consultative_Conference (i.e. Chinese equivalent of US Senate).
I am trying to dig up some more details, but it’s confirmed that Steve Chen was head of USFIA, AFG, Alliance NGN, AND Amkey, among others.
Did John Wuo got a demotion? In a previous intro to USFIA, Wuo (not Wu) was listed as UCCA Standing Committee Member 中美政協常委 and a different guy, Solomon Yang was listed as “honorary Chairman”.
The black guy to the left is Leonard Jahnson (yes, it is spelled with an A, checked across four sources). Here’s him in NorCal also promoting Gemcoin in early 2015.
NOLINK://www.worldjournal.com/42125/article-%E7%BE%8E%E5%9C%8B%E6%8A%95%E8%B3%87%E8%81%AF%E7%9B%9F%E9%9B%86%E5%9C%98%E7%8F%8D%E5%AF%B6%E5%B9%A3-%E6%AD%A3%E5%BC%8F%E7%99%BC%E8%A1%8C/
I can find NO information about this guy, even given his somewhat unusual surname.
WTF? Looking at a different topic, it seems that the black guy is actually Leonard S. Johnson (with an O) and he’s written a book on how to make money off cryptocurrency. I can see why these guys roped him in to promote Gemcoin. Here’s the book on Amazon:
NOLINK://www.amazon.com/Leonard-S.-Johnson/e/B004USR8CQ
Any one who wants to SUE USFIA may want to autotranslate this:
gate.sinovision.net:82/gate/big5/blog.sinovision.net/home/space/do/blog/uid/477965/id/252408.html
My explanation on link between the USFIA and the busted scam in China is here:
amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2015/06/scam-tactics-evolution-of-scam-from.html
Little more background.
Wang Wei was a famous Chinese actress, back in the 80’s. Started acting in 1977, went to Singapore in the 1990’s, didn’t do too well, went back to China.
Allegedly joined AFG in 2003 (?!) and named AFG standing committee member in 2008, and joined the American Mining scam in 2013.
The unmentioned guy Solomon Yang has a famous father, Yang Baibing (deceased), who’s half brother of Yang Shangkun (deceased) one of the early Chinese Communist Party members (joined 1925).
More hilarity… Apparently USFIA pays via… Global Cash Card.
NOLINK://sports.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3548925&page=1#pid124386105
See what I meant about headaches, researching this one is a nightmare for us non-speaking Chinese types :).
I’m really surprised these guys have flown under the radar for so long in the US.
Alexa shows traffic to USFIA’s website has plummeted over the past few months, so I’m not sure just how big this is.
I’ve had enough emails about this to warrant a followup article I think.
I’ll try to make it as easy to follow as possible, will go live later today.
Gets better, Oz. One of the various assets claimed to be owned by AFG includes a Golf Course! Of course, they only state the Chinese name, which is 白鷺高爾夫球場. The problem is 白鷺 translates to White Egret, and there’s no such golf course anywhere NEAR SoCal that has a name like that. I looked.
Turns out there *was* a Quail Ranch Golf Club in Moreno Valley, CA, well off to the east by 1.5 hours (near Riverside) from LA. And the operative word is *was*, as in “closed”.
And guess who heads “Quail Ranch Gold Club LLC”? Steve Chen, of course, with the same address as all his other entities. And he was apparently solicited 508160 dollars per person (that’s 500K of equity plus his admin fee) in the LLC from various investors. He apparently want to build pretty houses on/around the golf course.
As for why was Gemcoin’s TM app abandoned, that’s because they may be switching to “Wealthcoin”
trademarkia.com/wealthcoin-86585999.html
Oops, that should have been 581600 dollars. Yes, he wants 81600 in fees for 500K investment.
So which came first, the Xu or the Chan?
Is there some “great big book of Chinese Ponzi scamming” these guys all follow or what?
Steve Chen seem to be at least SOMEWHAT legitimate real estate guy. AHome is a “real” real estate company and apparently have a real plan to redevelop the golf course. The REIT and such makes sense.
I have no idea how he got involved with this American Mining scam in China though. I think this was also promoted in Thailand and Malaysia (remember arrests in Thailand). I wonder if JusticeAlwaysLate has any information on that front, on whether Steve Chen’s name was attached to it or AFG earlier than 2014.
I haven’t seen anyone higher than Chan in USFIA itself. He’s the guy at all the events doing the talking.
The Solomon guy is higher in the China/America association thing, but I’m seeing that as just a weird front for now.
Solomon Yang is honorary chairman. He’s got the name recognition in China with “my dad is ______” thing.
Speaking of Steve Chen and his “Amkey”… Here’s him in 2006 getting a “California Senate Certificate of Recognition” from… Leland Yee.
NOLINK://www.alliancefinancialgroupusa.com/Files/%E7%BE%8E%E5%9B%BDAFG%E9%9B%86%E5%9B%A2%E6%97%97%E4%B8%8B%E5%AE%89%E6%97%97%E5%85%AC%E5%8F%B8%E9%AB%98%E7%A7%91%E6%8A%80%E4%BA%A7%E5%93%81%E8%8E%B7%E5%B7%9E%E5%BA%9C%E8%82%AF%E5%AE%9A.pdf
Which is nasty as this is ONLY linked on the CHINESE version of the website.
For those who don’t keep up with politics Leland Yee was arrested in 2014 for gun running, racketeering, and corruption.
NOLINK://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leland_Yee#Arrest_on_corruption_charges_and_arms_trafficking
Amkey is clearly a clone of Amway, and it’s now based in… Malaysia. Hmmm… No mention of owner(s) anywhere, but it is the same Amkey for sure (same logo) and Amkey claimed to be founded in the US more than 10 years ago.
As I know, Solomon yang and another famous actor kun jiang published a declaration on news, it says they have nothing to do with usfia and usfia cannot use their name to promote …..
xiandaichina.com.cn/newspage.asp?nid=1&id=8967
^^ I didn’t see Solomon mentioned in relation to USFIA itself, hence I didn’t mention him in the review.
Are Steve Chan and Solomon Yang are still best buddies through the US/China association? Surely having to make a public declaration of distancing oneself from Chan’s scam would have soured their relationship through the association somewhat?
Mr. Chen was involved with a registration with the SEC to sell securities in 2011 (Apollo Reit II)
sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1530260/000153026011000001/0001530260-11-000001-index.htm
@test — thanks for digging that up. Solomon Yang was listed as 所罗门扬 (Chinese alliteration). I’d suspect that’s why Chen latched onto Mr. Wuo as the new honorary chairman. Solomon Yang is old news as the scam’s dead in China and thus Yang’s of no further use.
I was looking up stuff on Amkey and according to Babener’s MLMLegal Amkey at one time was DSA member, but search now on DSA shows nothing. There’s also an Amkey Malaysia. Amkey, however, is not listed as part of AFG holdings.
Looking at AFG shows that AFG’s alleged Amber mine in Dominican Republic is called Ammine. It’s no coincidence that Ammine.do is the Gemcoin “redemption website”.
AFAIK Ammine is not even a proper word in Spanish (Dominican Republic). Ammine in English is a molecule in ammonia that’s a part of a complex molecule. Has nothing to do with mine, amber, or such.
And we’re live – https://behindmlm.com/companies/digging-deeper-into-the-usfia-gemcoin-ponzi-scam/
I think I’ll just let the comments run from here on out, but that should be a pretty good starting point for anyone who doesn’t speak Chinese.
“Leonard S. Johnson” is rather elusive as well –
As far as having any credentials – his “book” is self published this year.
I think I will keep running down Leo to see if I can find out what he has really been up to..
Running around the world being a speaker for Gemcoin, probably. He’s always there instead of Steve Chen.
I wonder if he speaks Chinese? Usually you don’t see black dudes marketing to Asians.
johnson has spoken at the california university about his book ‘the bank for international ideas’. so, theres some ‘credibility’ there.
recently, yeah – but vetting the credentials.. His book did get published a couple of years back, but was recently re-released under a new ISBN.
As far as Leo’s past, I’m back to his Disk Faktory days but the trail prior to that is pretty cold.
These sale speeches suck. AFG itself was also described as “international jewelry company” (跨國珠寶公司) AFG itself was described as “primarily involved in gem mining, jewelry design, and Ammine brand jewelry. Which makes no sense since the brand displayed on USFIA website is AMN.jewelry.
Promo video also includes “other investments of AFG are in REIT, Real Estate Mines (Gemstone), Auction House, Biotech, infotech, and aerospace tech.”
REIT is easily explained by other Steve Chen’s companies.
But own mines in Argentina and Dominican Republic? Really?
Auction house is another Steve Chen operation AmAuction (website seem to be dead).
Biotech is Amkey, selling bee pollen and such.
No idea what would aerospace or infotech would be referring to.
Now the ridiculous part: AFG cliams to hold assets in exceed of 50 BILLION (? USD? RMB?) and over 2000 business partners (well, maybe if they count every affiliate as one)
AFG claims to own Mines in Argentina where copper pectolite and Rhodochrosite were mined, as well as own El Valle mines in Dominican Republic.
The problem with that is there is not “one” El Valle mine, but rather El Valle (the Valley) is a town in Dominican Republic, and there are lots of tiny little mines all over the place.
Yet their wording states they own the entire “mining region”, which is ridiculous. Furthermore, the Argentine mine was never named.
The french promo sites are even more ridiculous… they claim that Steve Chen was founder of China Unicom in 1993. The strangest thing is China Unicom was a state-owned enterprise that started in July 1994. Do the Frenchies lack the will to fact-check?
USFIA has sponsored a pageant in Malaysia, and elsewhere, called AMN International Jewelry Queen Pageant. And there’s a ‘regional’ pageant in Malaysia, Singapore, Beijing, LA, and so on.
Mr. Johnson apparently also has a position in the AHome Real Estate, and the description Quail Ranch Golf Course documented listed Johnson as VP of Investor Relations and Marketing
Which is basically his position in AFG. Seems positions in AFG and all of its subcompanies are interchangeable. It is this AFG credential that lead him to Dubai.
The gemstone description makes no sense either.
Nobody calls the gemstone “Larimar” by other than the tradename. Nobody knows what “copper pectolite” is. In fact, geologists are still not sure what causes the blue color in Larimar as the absorption spectrum is different from other copper-colored minerals.
Furthermore, Larimar is only found in Dominican Republic, and only one mine. And officially, all mines on the island belongs to the government, and people can only “lease” rights to exploit.
Rhodochrosite is primarily mined from Argentina, and is in fact Argentina’s national gemstone. However, it can also be mined from Guilin, China, Colorado USA, and all over the Andes mountains in South America.
However, the Argentinian Rhodo is generally considered the best, as they form rings and are sometimes called Incan Rose, or Rosinca. However, it is apparently mostly crushed for the Manganese.
The only reason they would call it copper pectolite is it was translated back from Chinese to English, and got the origin wrong. Searching Chinese websites show that Larima is often just called La-li-ma, but it’s occasionally called “blue amber” (even when it has NOTHING to do with amber!)
(There is “red amber”, but it’s regular yellow amber oxidized to a bit of shallow surface redness, and nothing to do with rhodo)
translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.trabajomultinivel.com/usfia/&prev=search
is a link to another review which auto translates regarding a required $100/mo autoship of amber jewelry. Still equates out to a scheme, but is another take on the compensation plan.
My spanish is pretty rusty – but it also looks from the slides at the above site they are offering “green cards” (immigration status) as a bonus for the participant and 6 members of their family.. Interesting
mining and real estate investments. coining and beauty contests. and at the end of the ponzi’s life, ‘listing’ and ‘IPO’s’ take over, to covert all money into worthless shares.
so many ponzis are following this pattern these days, or at least have several aspects of these patterns. DFRF and utoken come to mind.
here’s a short bio of leonard s johnson:
BTW ‘forbes CEO network’ is an online group which anyone can join and it has 20,000 members. but i guess if you tell people you are a member of ‘forbes CEO network’, they may think you are a high flying corporate honcho!
funny that johnson’s bio on amazon, where his book is listed, does not mention his relations with USFIA.
the old cover of johnson’s book, ‘the bank for international ideas’ says:
the latest publication of his book has removed reference to gemcoin and now says:
amazon.fr/The-Bank-International-Ideas-Intellectual/dp/0996161007
Interestingly, USFIA has mainly marketed the Gemcoin scheme in Europe and Asia, which could explain the lack of US enforcement action.
However, I have been in touch with the Los Angeles office of the SEC, and they are very interested in hearing from any investors who have been unable to recover their money from USFIA.
Contact Peter Del Greco, (Ozedit: email address and phone number removed, go through the SEC directly).
I have always been paid by Usfia without problems, are only gossip.
You’re been paid with gossip? Or that it’s only gossip that you’ve been paid?
Of course you’ve been paid so far
It would be a very poor fraud if nobody got paid INITIALLY wouldn’t it ??
How could USFIA recruit new
victimsmembers if nobody was being paid ??Stop your gossip Usfia is very serious, and a true company of Steve Chen, it is saved with all its businesses, leaders we had an interview with him at Arcadia.
By calling real news and research “gossip” you are ACTIVELY ignoring the problem, i.e. burying your head in sand.
Unfortunately, that usually leads to someone taking a bite out of your *** rather than making the problem go away.
The news are real: this is the same scam in China and was chased all the way to Thailand by Chinese Police. Same organization name, same parent organization, same shtick about amber, same target (Chinese ex-pats) except they somehow landed in Europe too.
Can you read Chinese, and do you CARE about prosecution in China? If you don’t and don’t, then you’ve made your bet and there’s no need to defend it.
The fact that you are DEFENDING it means you are defending it to yourself, i.e. you couldn’t have been so stupid. In other words, you are in denial. That’s why you sound like you’re pleading rather than debating.
Wanna bet ???
K Chang have you nothing else to do than to destroy the lives of others?
^^ That’s rich, coming from a Ponzi scammer.
Here is some related to Usfia and Leonard Johson:
aimcongress.com/en/sponsors-2015/gemcoin/
aimcongress.com/en/speakers-2015/leonard-s-johnson/
Which “others” ????
The “others” like you who are behind the fraud or the “others” who are being ripped off by the likes of you and your “upline”
I am new here. Did invest gemcoins and was told the crytocurrency exchange platform will be launched 1st July 1st anyone holding gemcoins will be able to sell it off.
I would like to find out more on this USFia rather being scam or fall into their traps. Do advice me….Thanks
If your lives are based on lies, is it really worth living?
Mkey and all other USFIA investors … In 24 hours you will discover that the trading platform promised by USFIA does not exist, and that you are still unable to sell your Gemcoins.
USFIA will certainly have some excuse (technical problems, legal complications, please be patient, etc., etc.) You can decide to believe them … or you can contact the SEC in Los Angeles.
We’re not allowed to post emails on this forum (sorry, Oz, I didn’t know that before!) but here is a link to the SEC website … sec.gov/contact/addresses.htm
If you send an email to the address shown for the Los Angeles office with “USFIA” as the subject of the message, it will get to Peter Del Greco, the lawyer who is looking into USFIA.
Dea cmfr,,
I have to write to you more formally although my heart sink to the bottom of the sea. I have been waiting for months to sell off my gemcoin but m too worry that it’s a scam!
I am lost and hope you can give me more advice again till I m alright and give others victims too. I am from Singapore and Singapore Usfiainc still told me that you will be rich in two days time..
Mikey I am so sorry this has happened. I do think you should contact Peter Del Greco at the U.S. Securities & Exchange Commission, following the link in my earlier post.
The SEC has been able to help investors get back some of the money they put into other schemes like Zeek Rewards. I hope they can help you do that!
Thanks cmfr.
Dear Mikey,
I have also invest Gemcoin since last year and follow the news everyday.
Currently i have attend their weekly meeting through GoTOwebinar and i knew the latest news about the company. If you can give me your wechat id. we can pm.
Or you could share what you know here. Why be all sneaky about it?
(Ozedit: Attempt to take discussion offline removed.)
if you’re the only one there, wouldn’t it be ‘youchat’?
Hi, stephanie but the platform still ‘the portal to the public crytocurrency exchange platform is currencly under construction and testing’.
could you really give me some advice
You two, if you want to share information with everyone else – feel free. Anything else will be marked as spam.
I’m also an investor in this. From what I gathered, the amber for gemcoin is up till 1st of July only which gemcoin is said to launch it’s platform for cryptocurrency.
It is rather suspicious as well since they mentioned the minimum price per unit for a gemcoin is to be $15 but after the meeting today 10am CST time, they said the price per unit will continue to rise slowly.
There’s also the part where Dubai invested 200 million in this scheme which has yet to taken effect.
Hi Alvin, what they said always never come true.
Last year did say they are tie up together with Apple and we can use Apple pay to buy things with our gemcoins. Lots of bullshitting … I am really disappointed…
Said 1july , you will see tremendous increase in value cause Dubai… American… Etcs will buy in millions of gemcoin… Haha… Now want to sell also nobody want to buy…
Their web can be under construction for months to avoid people selling gemcoins… During that time I did sell off some but lots of the time were unsold… Even I sell it at much lower value and yet no one take it…
They took all our money and do investments and they pay those commission to their level staff very high… To attract more people to invest…
Alvin, in case you didn’t notice the earlier discussion, the SEC office in Los Angeles is interested in hearing from USFIA investors and might be able to help recover some of your money, see details in post #54.
people contacting the SEC with information on USFIA/gemcoin, could share these latest lies of the company, as posted on their official facebook page on may 18, 2015:
facebook.com/gemcoin.us/photos/a.804059942980608.1073741828.789425607777375/837530069633595/?type=1&theater
As promised that platform will be done 1st july. Now they said they have tried out and successfully with their new platform.. Cheers but F..K*&%%$#^…
usfia said: please give them a little time (months or maybe never come as they planning to shut down gemcoins soon) for our platform to link to theirs…. What a nonsense!!!!!
hahaha…Gosh its a real virtual and not realistic… my money all in the drain flowing to the space and no returning back.
It’s like looking into the future…
Replace “barrels of oil” with “amber” and it fits USFIA pretty well.
sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2015/lr23298.htm
I gave a lot of credit for this website because they seem to provide many aspect on MLM company until today. After reading the review of USFIA, I am very disappointed with the reviewer who are not doing complete his/her due diligence.
Let me stated up front, many information in this article I do not know before like John Wuo really a mayor of Arcadia City? How big is their mine?
Fortunately or unfortunately I live about 40 miles from USFIA office so I visited the company many times.
The writer wrote
This is completely false statement. When you join USFIA, you will receive Amber.
The compensation plan in this article is incorrect. It’s probably the old compensation plan, or what… I don’t know.
Due to many facts in this article were incorrect or out dated, this article should not receive any credit.
Looks like this review is starting to make the rounds among Chinese USFIA investors in Arcadia…
Yes, everybody loves BehindMLM until we review something they’re involved in.
There is no mine, at least not as represented by USFIA. It’s all baloney.
And? Nobody is claiming the company doesn’t exist.
Whatever token amount they might send you (no doubt only on request), has absolutely nothing to do with using newly invested funds to pay off existing investors through GemCoin.
Oh really, care to provide the updated version then?
You only know what you’ve been fed by your upline. And they, just like USFIA management, are full of shit.
Have you tried testing if the amber is even real, or just plastic? In China many 美洲礦業 victims received plastic knockoffs, and that is the name USFIA used in China 2014 before they got shut down by CHinese authorities. I have plenty of videos to prove it.
Heck, I’ll even throw a Chinese news article at you:
http://hunan.sina.com.cn/news/m/2014-11-12/detail-iavxeafr4627507.shtml?from=hunan_xgbd
For those who need an English translation:
Chen Li, aka 陳力 is Steve Chen.
You may get Amber, but it’s PROBABLY NOT Dominican amber.
Good luck.
Hello, I am a journalist with Bloomberg Businessweek magazine. I’ve been doing some research on USFIA and the Gemcoin, and I’m interested in speaking with investors, or friends & family of investors, about their experience.
The moderator of this forum has kindly allowed me to post my email address so you can get in touch with me: (Ozedit: removed 25th July) (This address will be posted here for only a week, so you should make a note of it if you plan to contact me.) Thank you.
USFIA/gemcoin is primarily addressed to far east countries ie china, malaysia, indonesia etc.
due to language barriers, please do not expect much response to your appeal for victims to email you.
however, the USFIA gemcoin story has enough ponzi spice, even without numerous direct victim reports.
it is a ponzi with links to US politics and the construction/real estate lobby in arcadia.
a ponzi will always have victims, whether they speak up or not.
best of luck for your research, and here’s hoping for an expose’ from bloomberg!
A journalist enquiry could be indeed very interesting… Look in France, a lot of french people are involved in USFIA: facebook.com/groups/GEMCOINFRANCE/
Chinese translation of Carol Matlack’s message:
and just to cover all the bases: Spanish (Thanks to Google Translate, my Spanish is rusty):
Many thinks to anyone who shared some info on this topic. I’m a victim of this plan. I feel sorry to my friends who have listened to me.
I didn’t realised this scam until I started paying attention at the usfia webs and their announcemts.
A company can have some issues of course but not this much:
1-The web doesn’t look professional at all.
2- The English they use is full of mistakes; for instance: (sorry!the page is in under maintenance please comeback later). Very shocking to read the kind of language from a huge USA multi billion company
3- Never delivered what they said since I joined and I believe since they started. We paid 7$ for a global cash card we will never receive it.
The amber we should receive we don’t even have the form online or in any of their webs.
4- New memembers in Malaysia can’t make payments with their credit cards which is the right way. They are been over charged at the rate of 4.15$ by group of selected usfia guys calling themselves leaders while banks charge at the correct rate 3.7 or sometimes 3.8 here in Malaysia.
TO my little knowledge a huge company as claimed wouldn’t have any issue with payment.
5- They don’t reply to any of my emails. I don’t know why?
6- Those calling themselves leaders over here are not thinking they are so defensive. Because they make money everyday from others unethically. Like The over charging on the rate.
7- Why they allowed only certain people to have the ability to activate accounts. Is this is how they planed?
While every investor should be able to make his payment online or finds his own way possible. Is this really the USA BUSINESS system do? Do you really think so?
8- We have never seen in writing or in any other forms the declaration or the engamemt of the so call Dubai and said billions of investments. It’s all lays I believe.
9- The worse is going on now; we have access to our units anymore till farther notice or never: (Gemcoin reward points are during the process of converting into cryptocurrency. According with the law, the current Gemcoin reward points system will be replaced by Gemcoin reward points cryptocurrency and online wallet service system.
The previous Gemcoin reward points redemption process will be terminated. All members are required to log in the USFIA home page and read and sign the agreement of the conversion. Members will also be asked to upload their ID information.)
We need to pray nonstop. Really.
10-Worse case; some mlm learders here are saying that the current is at 0.347 while we have no access to that since 0.331. How do they know. Suppose not to have any transactions. How the price went up; at what price the later members are joining?
And there is no specific date given as till when this process will be completed.
To me now I’ll advice anyone who did not join yet to wait until its entered trade plate form.is never too late.
All we need to do is to pray for us and to our poor friends whom we have broughtinto this mess.
And anyone with knowglede on how we can get back our money please share with us thank you.
An other is here people related gem coin with the blockchain and nasdaq; is this true that gem coin will be entering the blockchain? We don’t have prove.
Here in Malaysia in the previews they always demonstrate how the process will be after entering this platform. is there anywhere to report this in Malaysia to avoid more harm to the rest?
Did really US ligalized gemcoin? In the beginning they that this backed with 15billion in assets. Did the US treasury confirmed this.
And in the ads tell that this is not legalized but supported by the US GORVEMENT. REALLY? ANY PROVE OF THESE STATEMENTS?
No.
Im from the Philippines. A friend recently told me about GemCoin, she invested 1000USD 3weeks ago.
These are the stuff she mentioned:
– She said there’s this investment company called GemCoin that you don’t have to work for, said you can choose not to invite other pwople to join, you can just sit back relax and see your invested money climb up, like stock market.
– I told her I heard about BitCoin but didn’t read much about it. I asked if its the same thing.
– She said it’s like BitCoin, but with some difference.
– Lowest investment is 1000USD. She said if she had more monery to invest during the time she joined, she would have done so. She was with 10 other businessmen&women when she listened to the business plan. She has confirmed that all of them apparently invested, the biggest investement was 10kUSD each from 4 people from their group of 11.
– a Coin is at 0.32 by the time she invested.
– She said something about it reaching 5USD by December and said I should invest ASAP before the rate increased to 1USD.
– Guaranteed return investment after 2 months via mail in the form of an amber, red or blue one, it’s randomly sent. A certicate of ownership will be included.
– Along with the gem is a visa card. All the money (initial investment AND future earnings) will be transferred there. Typical card, can be used to pay everything, more like a debit card. And, you can withdraw money from the it anytime, just don’t touch the amount invested, assuming that I’d invest 1000 USD too.
– She said GemCoin has a lot of big-time investors from China, Malaysia, Korea, France, UK and Dubai. She even said a prince from Dubai also invested. GemCoin is currently big/doing great in those countries.
– I asked if it’s an MLM, she said no, but if I’m able to refer someone and the person did invest, I will receive 10%(of 1000USD) as bonus. No A&B structure.
– She said the option to sell your Coins, like in BitCoin platfrom, will soon be possible, company is currently testing the system.
– I asked if she has seen the gem, she said no, the person who presented GemCoin to their group is also a fresh investor, has only joined 2 weeks prior to the presentation to their group.
– She said GemCoin has just reached the Philippines recently, and with the 2-month waiting period for the above mentioned stuff to arrive, no one from our country has received theirs yet.
– I asked how she monitors her earnings, she said investors are given a login ID to use on the official site.
– I asked her to login, but unfortunately, wifi at Starbucks was down that time, she wasn’t able to show it to me.
– I asked if she already earned some, she said that on her first login, she monitored it for 6hrs and her 1000USD became 1007. Quoting her… “Earned 7USD doing nothing”.
Being the gullible and naive person that I am, that statement I qouted got me to think of investing.
I remember saying “That’s nice, really nice, good for you girl!”. I have the money, but something is still holding me back.
I told her I’ll think about it first and that I’ll ask if any of my other friends are familiar with GemCoin. She said I should attend one of the presentations being held almost every week.
I did not tell her I’d do my own research about GemCoin. I’ve read positive and negative things about GC but this site covered a lot of in-depth information I didn’t see on other sites. Now I’m just glad I did not impulsively invest to GemCoin.
I’ll send this link to her.
And oh, just yesterday, someone invited me to attend a LeoCoin presentation. I already said yes, but now I’m cancelling.
I would have done the same. 🙂
The only way to realisticly make money on GemCoin, LeoCoin, OneCoin, Utoken or any other MLM based digital currency is to recruit additional investors and to earn commissions on their investments.
And you must join early enough, you can’t join a few months before a shutdown or collapse.
Should be a blast. I wonder if FBI agents will be in attendance.
Also somebody better ask how using newly invested funds to pay off existing investors isn’t a Ponzi scheme…
I ‘ve heard this Gemcoin from my young brother, he bought last year in Sept 2014. he got a gem stone call amber.
Myself I’ve just bought a month ago at 2nd Sept 2015, after reading the above news, I’ve feeling been cheated and I call up my upperline who taken my payment RM47.000.00 for 10 lots that I’ve paid to his account through my brother, without giving me a receipt or any banker slip after I paid.
So I told him about this news and told him to sell mine, and told to wait for another month, he said they have still locked the same price which I’ve bought that is 0.3173 and next month will be going up to 0.500 and he told me to hold on till he call me.
I’m very anxious and worry, I’ve told him that i’m going to report this case and he told to be patience and wait for his upperline boss to sent me the new info.
Can anyone tell what should I do?
If you can get your funds back through your upline, do that.
Doubt it though, your upline sounds like he’s stalling.
USFIA meanwhile has been shut down by US authorities. Funds frozen but the status of founder Steve Chen is currently unknown.
There’s nothing to be patient about, if you’re outside of the US it’s every man for himself.
Here’s the rest of the Usfia / Gemcoin articles, the rest of the story.
behindmlm.com/category/companies/usfia/
Most of them are about the local situation in Arcadia, California, where the company has been located.
Your upline is stalling. Get your money back and report to the police if you don’t get it back.
The amber your brother get is worthless. It’s probably cheap Mexican amber (possibly gathered by child labor) smuggled into Dominican Republic and rebadged “dominican amber”. it’s worth NOWHERE CLOSE to claimed price.
Gemcoin is also worthless. If your upline hadn’t heard about the shutdown, which happened weeks ago he’s both deaf and blind or pretending to be so, and he expects you to be too… no, he’d expect to be deaf, blind, AND stupid (enough to believe his bull****).
I need my money back… I don’t think this the real network company.
You’re going to be waiting a while, and even then you won’t get it all back.
Probably should have realized that before you invested…
What the latest news about gemcoin
Steve Chen pleads the fifth when asked to list all his assets.
https://behindmlm.com/companies/usfia/20-4-million-recovered-by-usfia-receiver/
Over four years later
“Full restitution” lol. What, at $10 a week?
cointelegraph.com/news/gemcoin-founder-admits-to-fraud-in-147-million-scheme
Prison means a criminal case. Wasn’t aware there was one.
Assuming I can find the corresponding docs, I imagine the Receiver will take care of the assets, the SEC will strip him of his funds (restitution) and the rest is gravy (prison sentence).