Enviralizer Review: $20 pass-ups, no retail
There is no information on the Enviralizer website indicating who owns or runs the business.
The Enviralizer website domain (“enviralizer.com”) was registered on the 5th of January 2014 and lists “Enrique Alberro” as the domain owner. An address in the US state of Georgia is also provided.
Alberro (right) appears in a promotional video on the Enviralizer YouTube channel, in which he confirms he is “the owner and founder” of the company.
Alberro’s Facebook profile contains marketing material for Internet Lifestyle Network (April 2014), Xplocial (mid-2013), Rippln (mid-2013), Talk Fusion (late 2012), Royalty7 (7% daily/110% weekly ROI Ponzi scheme, early 2012) and Empower Network (late 2011).
2011 would appear to be about the time Aberro got involved in MLM.
Domain wise Alberro has also owned domains used to market Uneeqlee and YouGetPaidFast ($28 cash gifting).
After joining no less than eight companies over the past few years, now it seems Alberro has decided to launch his own.
Read on for a full review of the Enviralizer MLM business opportunity.
The Enviralizer Product Line
Enviralizer has no retailable products or services, with affiliates only able to market affiliate membership to the company itself ($25).
Bundled with Enviralizer affiliate membership is access to a series of internet marketing tools.
The Enviralizer Compensation Plan
The Enviralizer compensation plan pays affiliates $20 to recruit new affiliates into the scheme.
The company uses a 1-up compensation plan, which requires all affiliates to “pass up” their first recruitment commission to the affiliate who recruited them (their upline).
Once this initial commission has been passed up, an affiliate receives $20 per new affiliate recruited.
In turn, the first affiliate their recruited affiliates recruit is passed up to them ($20). So are the first affiliates these affiliates recruit and so on down an infinite number of levels.
The Enviralizer affiliate fee is a one-time payment, so all of these commissions are paid out once upon the recruitment of a new affiliate.
Affiliate membership with Enviralizer is $25.
The payment of this fee and recruitment of one new affiliate qualifies an Enviralizer affiliate to earn via the company’s compensation plan.
Having joined a series of questionable MLM opportunities over the years, it’s no surprise that Enrique Alberro’s own scheme falls far short of legitimacy.
With nothing being sold to retail customers, all revenue derived from affiliates and commissions paid upon the recruitment of new affiliates, Enviralizer fits the definition of a recruitment-driven pyramid scheme.
Enviralizer affiliates sign up for $25 and then set about recruiting new affiliates. The first affiliate they recruit is passed up to the affiliate who recruited them, which in turn qualifies them to earn $20 on the recruitment of subsequent affiliates.
The first affiliates their downline recruits are also passed up, adding a residual recruitment incentive to the scheme.
As with all pyramid schemes, once recruitment slows down so too will the commissions paid.
At $25 one-time Enviralizer falls on the lighter side of the pyramid scheme spectrum, but that doesn’t take anything away from the illegitimacy of the opportunity.
We have a no refund policy in place. All sales are final.
When Enviralizer does inevitably collapse, those at the bottom of the recruitment-chain will lose their money.
what’s next after Enviralizer?
As the program creator, I was overjoyed when I found this article as it means that Enviralizer is growing to catch the attention of sites like this one.
The article above has mentioned some points which I’d like to address as the program creator:
“When Enviralizer does inevitably collapse, those at the bottom of the recruitment-chain will lose their money.”
That last sentence really made me chuckle, as the writer keeps trying to find an “angle” of illegitimacy to the program, which we are not a “recruitment-chain”, nor people will “lose their money” at any time, more than they would lose their money when they trade it for any item they purchase online; which brings the topic of what “item” or “products” we are selling.
As clearly stated (and skipped from the above review) in the Enviralizer FAQ section, upon purchase of $25 USD, the user is getting access to a Facebook Training, in particular a way to make their pictures “clickable” on Facebook to redirect any site they like, Video Training (YouTube Marketing) Ad Copy (that they can adapt to any marketing they do), and a very nice WordPress Training by which members can create their own site using WordPress.
All of the above for only $25 one time payment, which clearly provides a “retail” perspective for members to market.
Making the statement that Enviralizer has “no retailable product or service” as in the article above is clearly a misunderstanding of what this wonderful program has to offer.
If Enviralizer ever “collapses” as this article suggests … it will be for lack of sales, as in any business. The reason that we have a one time payment is not because we want to fall in the “lighter side” of any illegitimate deal, as this article also suggests, but to clearly indicate the user is purchasing the above mentioned products with no strings attached.
As with any business, we are entitled to reward our loyal customers by referring new sold business, therefore we reward that with our existing referral bonuses and structure. We certainly expect our members to recommend our site based on the quality of the products above, not as a “get rich quick” deal …
Yes, we indicate that Enviralizer is a great way to create extra cash (many of our members agree) but we also clearly state in our FAQ and Site Agreement Terms (which user has to accept before purchase) that the purpose of acquiring our product is strictly educational, and a visitor of our site should not purchase based on the possibility of income as the main deciding factor.
That some people will purchase an Enviralizer Membership thinking they will get rich without doing nothing in the next 3 minutes after purchase, and even after accepting our terms and conditions … no doubt! But that doesn’t qualify this program as an illegitimate business.
The tools and support (live chat!) that Enviralizer Provides are key in building any LEGIT ONLINE BUSINESS, and that’s what we are all about.
Not “find” so much as “identified”.
That the illegitimacy of your scheme makes you “chuckle” is worrying.
Having access to the compensation plan means 100% of people in Enviralizer are affiliates. There is no retail.
Your business model betrays your statements.
Viralizer is a recruitment-driven pyramid scheme with no retailable product or service. Commissions rely on the constant recruitment of new affiliates, elsewise the business collapses.
You’re selling qualification to receive commissions on the recruitment of new affiliates.
This is not a valid MLM product or service, and whatever garbage you bundle with said qualification is irrelevant.
Lack of recruitment. Let’s not mince words.
The only companies that pay recruitment commissions down multiple levels are pyramid schemes.
What you state in your FAQ and Site Agreement Terms is irrelevant.
Your business model is all that matters here. Said business model has no retail and pays on the recruitment of new affiliates down multiple levels.
Conclusion: It’s a pyramid scheme.
What people think is irrelevant, the business model is all that matters here.
Of course it doesn’t. Enviralizer’s business model does.
are irrelevant when you’re selling qualification to earn commissions on the recruitment of new affiliates.
You seem to have graduated from the “so long as I attach a product or service to my scheme I can do whatever I want” school of scam.
You’d be well-advised to accept that this is false.
I haven’t checked the details here, but marketing tools or how to use them are usually not counted as “retailable products or services”.
You CAN charge a fee to cover self costs of the material, but they’re not retailable products or services.
Again, I haven’t checked any details, but most of it sounded like information that are freely available on the internet (e.g., I tried to google “how to make facebook photos clickable”).
The conclusion about “no retailable products or services” seems to be the correct one.
Reviews are normally based on that someone has asked for it, e.g. because they have been invited by someone.
I would have classified it as “potential feeder program for other program(s)”, as a method to build a list of people who potentially can be interested in joining various other opportunities. It isn’t much of an income opportunity in itself, so it has probably been designed for other purposes.
M Norway … not to keep a pointless debate here but each “marketing tool” provided with membership is a stand alone information product in itself which could be sold separately.
If presented on its own, each could have its own separate “sales page”. The fact that we decided to retail them in a package does not take away that fact.
Thanks! =) That is definitely what Enviralizer is meant to be, an entry level program which new marketers could learn how to conduct business online, build their list, and start making their first sales.
But they aren’t, they’re bundled with a fee to participate in the Enviralizer compensation plan.
As such there’s no retail activity, 100% of company funds are derived from affiliates and worse still, paid out exclusively on the recruitment of new affiliates.
Ifs and buts are irrelevant.
We agree to disagree Oz, nobody is required to act as an affiliate in order to benefit from our products. Same as stating your local gym is an “illegitimate business” because they have a 10% OFF per member you refer to them, as they have it “bundled” with your gym membership fee…
If you refer a member to them or not, is completely optional.
I agree to nothing, you are wrong.
Whether anyone is required to act as an affiliate is irrelvant. All members of Enviralizer are affiliates. It’s all recruitment.
Gyms are not MLM companies, spare me the bullshit.
Irrelevant. That it can be done is damning.
Whether you decide to agree or disagree isn’t really important. The program will most likely fail to work as an income opportunity.
* $20 one time recruitment commission isn’t very attractive for income opportunity seekers. It can be defended by the one time $25 payment, but the income derived from it will usually be low.
* 1-up isn’t very attractive either.
* “entry level program” may attract some, but most of those people prefer programs where they can imagine themselves as successful internet marketers right from the start (they don’t like the “entry level”, they prefer “instant success” after they have learned a few basic skills from a “guru”).
So what are you saying? Do you deny responsibility for writing the comp plan? Are you blaming your “affiliates” for recruiting? When you are the ones paying them to do so?
I’m not a member of this program and not planning on becoming a member. I really don’t like the one-up policy but I don’t see a scam here. There is a charge for the training such as any other membership site.
Another thing I don’t like is no refund. What if the training isn’t worth a dime? You would have paid $25 for something that isn’t worth anything.
Unless you are a con-man, such as what I think Mr. Enrique Alberro is, you will have a hard time selling this program.
Personally, I would advise anyone to keep your $25 and spend it on something where you have some control over. Whether it is worth anything or not and if not you should be able to receive a refund after a 30 day period.
I’m sure if it is worth anything you won’t learn it all within that 30 day period but if you do you would be a scam if you requested a refund.
The lack of refunds don’t explicitly make Enviralizer a scam, the fact that there’s no retail activity and that all revenue is generated by the recruitment of affiliates does.
Co-incidentally the lack of refunds reflects this. When you sign up your fee is used to pay the person who recruited you. Nothing is being bought and sold other than positions in the comp plan.
This review and some of the comments are not based on what a payment to Enviralizer is intended to be for.
Although it does provide an opportunity to earn some extra cash as an affiliate, it’s primary focus is on the internet marketing training and support provided to members immediately upon joining.
This training is adaptable to any on-line business. Maybe the information could be found for “free” elsewhere on the internet but it would take many hours of research to assemble all of the information made available for a one time payment of $25.
How much is your time worth? I am using the marketing information and I feel it is worth it. Just my opinion.
Intention is irrelevant in the face of facts, that being $20 pass-up commissions on the recruitment of new affiliates and no retail.
Ditto “primary focus”. That and “intention” are not excuses for the running of what is effectively a pyramid scheme.
Facts always beats opinion.
If there is a product being sold then the business is legit.
This is 2015, Digital products ARE REAL retail products.
If someone reads the fine print and agrees then its good to go. I see a few products on offer on the website along with an affiliate program.
Amazon does the same. digital ebooks, most total junk, yet still be sold and they offer an affiliate program for tiny commissions.
Compare the two, id say amazon is the bigger pyramid 😉
False, the product has to be sold to retail customers.
This is not taking place in Enviralizer, with affiliates being paid to recruit new affiliates.
Non-MLM comparisons to Amazon et al are irrelevant.
I believe you should edit post #15, the last line “Opinion < facts”.
The < sign is ruining the input box for new comments.
Thanks for catching that.
This was a very interesting read… $25 I might pay to see the marketing info… WordPress I won’t need as I have many courses I have collected…
The remuneration for recruiting!?… not sure about that though… there just are not enough 20’s in that once off 25 to pay more than one level!… just saying…
I am a member of the Enviralizer. It’s a front end low ticket product that’s a part of a bigger simplified system. The moderators here on behind mlm failed to realize that this is not an MLM.
MLM implies more than one level. Enviralizer has no levels! just ONE pass up. Enviralizer should not even be discussed on an MLM blog site. How silly!!!
(Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempts removed)
You recruit a new affiliate, the commission would normally roll up to you but is passed up to your upline. That’s two levels.
And it’s all tracked via a company-wide unilevel, which is an MLM compensation structure.
Let’s just let that sit here shall we.
scams shouldn’t exist to have to be discussed. BLAM!
If people are happy with what they are receiving for their $25.00 purchase, why is anybody even making an issue about it?
^^ Because chain-recruitment.
Whether you’re happy about participating in scamming people through a fraudulent pyramid scheme is neither here nor there.
If people are happily doing drugs or hiring prostitutes, why bother busting them and make a big deal about it?
That’s essentially your position. Think about it.
Holy Cow, a $25.00 pyramid scheme. I’ve been a member/owner of the products for 1.5 years. I’ve downloaded every training for easy study on my computer. I have the PDF documents, the videos, and support training.
The program started with 4 training modules and now has 7. I’ve downloaded the new modules as well and there is no additional charge for any training that us added and they have several planned.
I should add. I have not sold the program but I have made money applying the training to my online business.
If I should make a sincere effort to sell it I would fully expect to be compensated for my efforts.
As with any retail product that uses salespersons to promote their product a comission is paid. I would want my agreed to pay. For now, using it to build my businesses is good enough for me.
Recruiting affiliates != selling products to retail customers.
Then you must be the exception to the rule, since allegedly you get paid $20 for each person who buys in at $25. (Ignore the pass-up as it only occurs once)
In other words, the lessons are only worth $5.
What is WRONG with this picture? Think about it.
I wasn’t recruited as an affiliate. I was sold on the product value.
There might be some who sell it as an affiliate program and the sales page does for sure but for the most part the members I know sell it on product value. The value is there in training alone but just as most online info products there is an affiate side as well.
To be honest, 25 bucks doesn’t attract big hitters in the affiliate market, it’s a small price for training.
As the training modules grow a new persons marketing knowledge can also grow. I don’t see a big grand pyramid scheme designed to rip people off.
If you want to be a thief sell some of Frank K’s 5000.00 junk. 25.00 for training that’s most likely better is a small price and if you can make it back by applying what you’re taught it’s even better.
Nice Blog by the way, opinions are always worth looking at and using when evaluating any purchase, especially online.
You paid for Enviralizer affiliate membership (access to the income opportunity). Whatever else was bundled with that is irrelevant.
True retail in MLM is separate from the income opportunity.
Doesn’t matter what you claim it to be, you’re all Enviralizer affiliates recruiting new affiliates. As per its compensation plan, retail doesn’t exist in the Enviralizer MLM opportunity.
For clarity, I found this blog while searching for Enviralizer reviews as I am considering promoting the program. Unfortunately I did not find a review of the program here.
It only gives an opinion of the compensation plan. That is not a valuable review. Instead it is simply an opinion of a small part of the program. A valuable but a small part of the value.
for clarity, you might need to read it again.
What you mean is you’re upset I actually reviewed Enviralizer and didn’t subscribe to your marketing crap.
The compensation plan is the most important aspect of any MLM business. It dictates precisely just what kind of opportunity it is.
Oh well, back to Facebook with you I guess.
Comp plan is the most important part of any MLM business, as it directly determines whether the biz is potentially illegal… or not.
If you don’t consider that to be valuable, one wonders what sort of “opportunity” are you really seeking.
Offtopic derail attempts removed @ssmeyer.
If you’re not interested in discussing Enviralizer’s business model, we’re done here.
This review is silly. Enviralizer has an honest owner I purchased the products several months ago. Great stuff!
You purchased affiliate membership in a pass-up scheme. There’s nothing “honest” about it.
I just joined enviralizer and I am really happy about it. If the people at the bottom lose only $25.00 they would still come out ahead.
The fact that the owner dabbled in other MLM programs is just what online marketers do. Did you find your ideal legal program and stick with it forever… probably NOT>
You are kind of stretching the truth here. The no retail products statement is a lie. Theproducts are the training program and recommendations to join and utilize some tools that many people have to pay some real money for. i.e. The WordPress training is invaluable as the web breathes wordpress. The training alone is worth the $25.00
I have promoted programs online that turned out to be scams… really sleazy, enviralizer is NOT one of them.
The people who run Enviralizer work to help each member become successful. Can’t say that about some of the higher priced MEMBERSHIP sites online.
Who can’t afford #25.00 to learn how to market anything online. Online education is expensive.
You can take the money you earn from Enviralizer and pay for your HOMEBUSINESSPRO 29.95 monthly payment for your autoresponder. I think you are being harsh and a little cynical.
(Ozedit: offtopic derail attempt removed)
Whatever is bundled with Enviralizer affiliate membership is not a retail product.
Not financially. They’d lose money in a chain-recruitment scheme the same as any other victim.
Affiliates recruiting affiliates = pyramid scheme = scam. Time to stop the denial.
Are customers of Enviralizer not allowed to participate in the affiliate side of their membership?
Correct me if I’m wrong, any time you purchase an affiliate product or service, whomever link you use, they are the ones credited or recognized for that transaction?
This is good to know, if the customer like the value of the education he or she is getting as a member, he or she can recommend Enviralizer without hesitation, and get paid!
What then is the problem? … Is it the 1 UP comp plan? (Only those who do not like it, has issue with it, for everyone in the plan are subject to the same “1 qualifying sale rule” —- in which ALL the participants know upfront), so no one is being taken advantage of.
Just like in an employee – employer relationship, there are things an employee might feel is unfair, not getting paid the same day he or she works, waiting up to 2 weeks to receive a pay check, and maybe not being paid enough etc., BUT THOSE ARE THE RULES OF COMPENSATION ON A JOB …that a job seeker knows upfront during the interview.
I see no difference with something like Enviralizer, as long as affiliate participation is an option, and everyone participating as an affiliate agrees to the same rules … how is this unfair?
It would be unfair, if an affiliate passed up their 1 qualifying sale and did not receive the BENEFITS for doing so.
Not at the expense of retail. If 100% of your customers in MLM are affiliates you’re running a pyramid scheme.
Yeah, none of that matters. Pyramid schemes are scams.
Has nothing to do with MLM pyramid schemes. Totally irrelevant.
Time to visit the optometrist then…
I know OZ you don’t agree Enviralizer is selling anything of value for use or consumption, other than (quoting your words) a ” Pyramid scheme” “Scam,” even if members who have posted here are telling you that Enviralizer’s Social Media and Internet Marketing Training Library (digital products) are helping them.
I have no reason to doubt them. This is their reality and their experience! I am incline to check out what they are offering from an experiential point of view (or at least interview someone who has a membership), before I can reach my final conclusion.
Your claim of Enviralizer as a ” Pyramid Scheme” or “Scam” seem to be off-based and your opinion more than anything, IF YOU DON’T HAVE ANY REAL FACTS.
The reason some of my comments do not matter to you (or are not relevant in your eyes) is your preconceived belief about anything involving a 1 UP COMP PLAN (I’m speculating), because if Enviralizer had a regular 1 or 2 tier affiliate plan, you might not cast such a dark review of them.
Other than the 1 UP, and I can see no reason to talk ill of their products, saying they “have no retail value.” —- WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?
What are you talking about? Enviralizer has no retailable products or services, making it a pyramid scheme.
What affiliates post or don’t post is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is no retail in MLM = pyramid scheme.
Again, not a claim, a fact by virtue of Enviralizer’s compensation plan.
Not having retail sales != retail value. You can’t have retail value if you don’t have retail products to begin with.
Instead of making up crap, try reading what is written as it is written.
Oz, you keep saying “they don’t have retail products.” (Again your belief)
(Ozedit: Belief has nothing to do with it. Enviralizer has no retail products. Flawed arguments based on initial flawed premise removed.)
Instead of confusing the sale of products to retail customers with “value”, I suggest you sit down and try to understand what a retail sale in MLM actually is.
Having a product that is sold to retail customers within an MLM compensation plan has nothing to do with value.
Sure, the more value offered the better chance you have of generating significant retail sales. But if your compensation plan has no product or service that is being sold to retail customers, it doesn’t matter.
As per it’s business model, Enviralizer has no retailable products or services.
Yes it does, when the customers themselves are internet marketers (Ozedit: Snip. Affiliates purchasing products != retail sales.)
Retail sales in MLM is the sale of a product or service to non-affiliates, generating commissions within the compensation plan.
It’s not hard to get your head around chief.
Oz, why do you keep editing my post that explain the rational behind what I’m saying?
Retail sales in MLM is the sale of a product or service to non-affiliates,
No one is arguing about that. If you didn’t edit my post, I explained how a “non-affiliate” of a product / service (a customer who is an internet marketer), who buys products / services he wants or likes, that he may decide to promote himself to others who can use the products / service,s and / or promote themselves.
What’s wrong with internet marketers buying other products / services that other internet marketers use and are affiliates of, who use those products / services themselves, and promote those products / services to other internet marketers (who start out the same as “not being an affiliate” of those products / services)?
Cool. That’s not a retail sale though.
Affiliates purchasing products are not retail sales in MLM. How many times do I have to state this?
Nothing. But in MLM you need to have retail sales.
As per Enviralizer’s compensation plan, there are no sales to retail customers (everyone is an affiliate).
I’m getting a bit sick of repeating myself so I’m just gong to nuke anything that doesn’t address the above.
Are you genuinely asking or are you being deliberately obtuse ??
There’s nothing wrong “IF” affiliates are making the bulk of their income from retail sales and not from recruiting others.
Man l’m genuinely asking, because I don’t see how buying products / services that’s geared toward helping internet marketers, automatically makes me active in the affiliate side of Enviralizer, WITHOUT ACTUALLY PROMOTING IT WITH MY REFERRAL LINK.
Now if the products / services work for me, and I want to share them, why would I not want to do that if the company is willing to pay me for referrals?
The way I see it, Enviralizer makes the affiliate side available immediately when you sign up, as an option. I do not have to take advantage of the affiliate side IF I DO NOT WANT TO.
In MLM, access to the compensation plan (income opportunity) makes you an affiliate. This is irrespective of whether you market the opportunity and/or recruit.
Everybody in Enviralizer pays $25 to become an affiliate, with commissions paid upon recruitment of new affiliates. There’s no retail sales taking place, which makes Enviralizer a pyramid scheme.
This is a very interesting article. I’m very much considering purchasing the Enviralizer product, which is a digital membership for just a one time $25.00.
I purchase retail digital products all of the time from music, ebooks, education, TV Shows, to training videos.
The Enviralizer membership is a retail product that gives a double benefit.
1) It’s a digital retail product that gives you ACCESS to an ever growing library of digital training for your own personal growth, which is a retail digital product. Online schools do this every day.
And 2) That same one time $25.00 price ALSO gives you the rights to market the same product for profit, which is an “option” no one is forced to use. Wow!! What a bargain. You don’t have to market it to anyone–just personal use.
You get access to a whole lot of training for a one time $25.00, even if you choose not to market it. That’s the real beauty and the real digital retail product. Just like the thousands of other wonderful digital products you can find online.
Lastly, I’ve seen similar training topics taught by “gurus” selling retail for a lot more than $25.00, a heck of a lot more and without any rights to resell their program after charging 100s of dollars.
To the owner of this site: I like what you’re doing here. And, yes, there are MLM scammers out there. However, every company don’t fit that description.
The broad-brush doesn’t apply here. It would be nice to see some of the good guys, too, on this site. Peace, and much success to and yours.
Affiliate membership in MLM is not a retail product.
Optional recruitment doesn’t change the fact that Enviralizer affiliates are paid to recruit new affiliates. Chain recruitment in MLM = pyramid scheme.
Originally I was looking at Enviralizer as something to maybe get involved with , but after the discourse I had here on this site, I decided against it. Not that I`m in a position to call it a pyramid scheme or not — I`ll leave that up to the experts.
I do have a different opinion about Enviralizer than I had when I first posted, namely because I`ve been exposed to other marketing systems / sales funnels that make Eniralizer look like a cheap knock-off in comparison to the real deal or at least what I was looking for to begin with. (An example would be The 4% Group — THIS IS NOT AN ENDORSEMENT!!!)
So in conclusion: Oz, you helped me to look for better.
You should have at least taken away that if you’re not selling a product or service to retail customers, you’re in a pyramid scheme.
You don’t need to be an “expert” to figure that out.
Oz, I would like to think everyone who visits your site has a right to express how they honestly feel about whatever program they are in or are considering, whether right or wrong,and can learn WHAT THEY DO NOT KNOW OR DO NOT QUITE UNDERSTAND, because someone is operating from the knowledge of SOMEONE WHO KNOWS, a.k.a “AN EXPERT”.
You assume because you say a company “is not selling a product or service”, that your audience is suppose to accept it.
On what basis, when they BELIEVE they are selling a product or service to others, because of the presence of products and services that have been sold or are being sold to them (as upsells) in their program?
You simply can`t assume that.
We need experts or knowledge from experts to prove or confirm a point.
What are you babbling on about?
If your not selling a product or service to retail customers in MLM, you’re in a pyramid scheme.
You’re welcome to reference years of MLM litigation if you believe otherwise. However the facts prove you wrong.
And you don’t need to assume anything. Analysis of an MLM company’s compensation plan will reveal whether products or services are being sold to retail customers (in Enviralizer they aren’t).
You are quoting out of context, so I guess we’re not supposed to accept your explanation.
Oz, you keep saying the same thing over and over again about Enviralizer, because you are sure of it. Do you know how many people read comp plans and are not sure of what they are reading?
Or how many people yell “scam this” or “pyramid scheme that” (what you are doing), and the people listening still are not sure, UNTIL THEY DO THEIR OWN DUE DILIGENCE!
All I’m saying, just because you say “in Enviralizer you’re not selling a product or service to retail customers” (because of the comp plan) doesn’t mean they will or should accept what you are saying on THE BASIS OF YOU SAYING IT ALONE.
Just like me when I was originally saying Enviralizer has retail sales, because they have products and services being sold within their network (No one should accept what I said either without doing their own due diligence)
That’s all I meant by you making an assumption, meaning that’s how what you say look to the uninformed. That’s how it looked to me, because you spew out facts, but provide no references.
But I’m good, I am no longer looking at joining Enviralizer. Again thanks for this conversation.
MLM compensation plans aren’t open to interpretation. They’re a defined roadmap of how revenue is generated and paid out in commissions.
Whether you personally understand them or not is of no relevance to analysis by somebody who does understand them.
Enviralizer’s compensation plan does not pay commissions on the sale of a product or service to retail customers. The only commissions paid are on the recruitment of new affiliates, making it a pyramid scheme.
No assumptions. No opinions. No interpretations. The facts are as they stand.
Hi K. Chang
Please read previous (last) post to Oz. For further clarification on this.
This has been great!
You may have misunderstood me.
“Whether you personally understand them or not is of no relevance to analysis by somebody who does understand them.”
Oz to save all this extra talk, it’s great you understand them (MLM compensation plans), my issue is not so much about accepting your information, but more on why I should TRUST you, because I have to go outside the scope of this post to check what you’re saying about Enviralizer is true or not, when you could have provided references to the information that makes you feel so confident.
I accept your facts, again not simply because you said them, mainly because I had to do my own due diligence and question Enviralizer now, and feel it is not a good fit for me due to the reasons you brought up.
Nope, I read the quotes very carefully.
Where as what Oz wrote in the review TWO YEARS AGO says
Open and shut case. You modified the quote to put up your strawman. Next.
Enviralizer’s compensation plan isn’t a secret. Anyone can verify the information in this review with Enviralizer’s compensation plan.
This is true of most BehindMLM reviews. The only exception being when a company intentionally hides their compensation plan from the public.
I don’t pen a review unless I have a copy of the company’s compensation plan.
K. Chang in context Oz wrote:
I wrote to Oz:
The whole point,Oz is saying something as well as l, myself was saying something.
We both did not provide any references to what we were saying, only as if we were speaking from a position of authority (in which he was right and I was wrong as far as I can tell from further research into this).
I didn’t modify anything (I will use this as an example to what I’m saying about adding references instead of just saying ) and here is the reference, SEE Oz’s Post #61.
Ok Oz, I’m cool with that. I can respect that.
I’m looking to see if you’ve done a review on The 4% Group yet?
That’s that Strizheus thing from memory. IIRC it wasn’t MLM.
Well, this just ended up in a high school bickering match.
I searched for a review & this is what I got.
I’m happy to pay $5 for the marketing info, tools they are bundling together & have $20 go to whoever spent 1second or 1hour into placing the ad that I clicked on.
If the info helps me in any way I’ll tell people about it & I think I that the $20 pass up is fair reward & if I tell more then the $20 reward/commission is fair for the recommendation.
If the comments here from the people that say they are members with Envirilizer are real members, their comments are opinions based on the facts they have.
The ‘review’ itself is based on facts also but with heavy judgement & comparison to a know illegal business plan (pyramid).
As with all business plans there are multiple ways to perceive it & a persons perception is their reality.
Until there is a complaint against this opportunity &/or scam, it can’t be 100% classed as either.
Just my perception.
Perception has nothing to do with an MLM pyramid scheme with no retail. As defined by Enviralizer’s compensation plan, it is what it is.
This is false. If you’re paying affiliates to recruit in MLM you’re running a pyramid scheme. This is fact irrespective of whether complaints are made.
The owner of this website continued to say same thing all over without any proof.
Some of the members who spoke did not have any complaints but happy.
One would assume that the owner of this blog is a member of Wealthy Affiliate as they always see other business as illegitimate.
I assume that at least, since he is vast in knowledge would at the end recommend the best program or business to join. As a new comer do other business owner always criticize other owner.
Please i am waiting for your recommendation if Enviralizer, is not good enough.
This review on Enviralizer is based on the company’s compensation plan. That is all the proof you need.
As long as gullible idiots such as yourself continue to sign up, they get paid. People don’t complain about scams until it’s too late.
Nah. Your due diligence is on you. Stop being a lazy ass.
(Ozedit: You’re clearly not interested in Enviralizer’s business model. Offtopic derail attempts removed.)
^^ Best of luck with the scamming. You sound typical of someone who loses money in scams and then blames everyone else.
Well its 2017 and Enviralizer is still going strong.
Guess the general public showed the “Mother Grundy” what they think of his “unbiased opinion”.
A great Thumbs Up for Sanity and Enviralizer and a HUGE “Up Yours” for the Doomsday Prophets here.
Alexa traffic estimates for the Enviralizer show a steady decline from May onward.
Enviralizer already collapsed but didn’t shut down due to an unexpected recruitment boom in August, 2016 (which you’re probably riding the coattails of).
That recruitment boom is over and Enviralizer is back on track for a collapse, which is how all pyramid schemes wind up.
Legality is not based on popular opinion polls.