AutoXTen Review: Legally turn $10 into $199,240?
Make no mistake, the premise of a one time investment of ten dollars potentially turning into nearly two hundred thousand is an attractive proposition.
Legalities and scams aside, the claim itself is definitely more than enough to warrant a closer look by someone and that’s exactly what AutoXTen are counting on to spread the word.
Turn $10 into $199,240… sounds simple enough, but what exactly do you have to do to earn it? And more importantly, is the AutoXTen MLM business opportunity legit?
Let’s find out.
AutoXTen the company
AutoXTen is apparently headed up by Scott Chandler, Brett Robinson and Jeff Long. Each have a history in MLM and affiliate marketing and in the past seem to have marketed various opportunities here and there.
Interestingly enough though you won’t find this on the official AutoXTen website. Infact, as far as company websites go, AutoXTen ranks pretty abysmally in terms of company information.
At the time of publication the links pointing to AutoXTen’s Privacy Policy, Terms of Use, Income Disclaimer and Contact Us pages all don’t work. Yet the company is still taking on new signups.
Infact, without being referred by an existing member, you can’t even view what basic information there is on the official AutoXTen website.
The lack of information available about AutoXTen doesn’t appear to be deterring the masses though. Currently AutoXTen are reporting that they’ve signed on over 33,000 members.
Keep in mind though that as AutoXTen is in prelaunch, that these are free members merely ‘locking in’ in a no obligation spot. Come AutoXTen’s launch date, they’ll need to pay up to participate in the company’s compensation plan.
The AutoXTen product line
With founders Scott Chandler, Brett Robinson and Jeff Long all having a history in internet marketing, AutoXTen’s products thus seem to be self authored and geared towards marketing the AutoXTen opportunity itself.
In other words, the only people who are going to get any value out of AutoXTen’s product line are those trying to market the business themselves. Despite the claims by AutoXTen that their training and tools can ‘assist with any business’, it’d be foolish to accept that they weren’t specifically tailored to marketing the AutoXTen business.
This in itself isn’t a bad thing (well it is when it’s your sole product line), but in a day and age of such varied and unique business opportunities, MLM or otherwise, I’m extremely weary of any marketing offering that presents itself as a blanket solution to market all businesses.
Currently, only details about the first round of AutoXTen’s product line have been released. In the first component of the compensation plan, on offer are four books and from the looks of it, accompanying DVDs.
Covering ‘internet marketing’, ‘offline marketing’, ‘social network marketing’ and ‘advanced internet marketing’, in total you’re looking at an alleged combined retail value of $150.
These products are dispersed throughout the various levels of the 4×4 matrix utilised in the compensation plan.
Basically, as you fill each level of your matrix (I’ll go into the matrices in the compensation plan section below), you’re required to purchase one of AutoXGen’s products. This happens automatically and the money to fund the product purchase is taken directly from your level commission.
As of yet the Phase 2 matrix and beyond (apparently you get different products each time when you re-enter the matrices over and over again) product line hasn’t been released but presumably will be soon (most likely when the company founders have finished authoring them).
The AutoXTen Compensation Plan
The AutoXTen compensation plan primarily revolves around two 4×4 forced matrices. That is to say with you at the top, you have four people under you, four people under each of them and then a further four people under them.
All up your looking at a 340 member requirement to fill up one of these matrices. As this happens you as an AutoXTen member get paid commissions.
Here’s a closer look at the various components of the AutoXTen compensaton plan;
The Phase 1 Matrix
The Phase 1 matrix is what all members start off in when they join AutoXTen. After paying your joining fee you’re placed at the top of your own 4X4 matrix and in order to get paid must recruit others to fill up the spots below you.
Here’s how it looks visually;
In the Phase 1 matrix, commissions are paid out on a ‘per recruitment’ basis. That is to say each time you recruit someone to your matrix, or someone above you fills a spot in your matrix via overspill, you are awarded a commission payout – you don’t need to wait until the entire matrix is filled.
The reason for this are the inbuilt product purchases. AutoXTen claim anyone can get started with just a one time $10 investment. Now obviously this isn’t going to cover the mandatory product purchases at each level so this money has to come from somewhere, namely your commissions.
The commission payouts for the Phase 1 matrix are as follows;
- Level 1 – 4 members paying out $10 each (total $40 with $20 set aside for level 2 entry
- Level 2 – 16 members paying out $10 each (total $160 with $40 set aside for level 3 entry)
- Level 3 – 64 members paying out $20 each (total $1280 with $80 set aside for level 4 entry)
- Level 4 – 256 members paying out $40 each (total $10,240 with $170 set aside for entry in the Phase 2 matrix and re-entry into a Phase 1 matrix respectively)
The Phase 2 Matrix
Entry into the Phase 2 matrix is where the real money starts to happen in AutoXTen but it isn’t as simple as a $160 entry fee. Unlike the Phase 1 matrix, to gain entry into Phase 2, at least four of your Phase 1 matrix levels on level 4 fill their own matrices up to level 4.
That is to say, at least four people on your own Phase 1 matrix must recruit enough people to advance to level 4 on their own matrices.
Once this happens, along with the $160 entry fee, you’re then given your very own Phase 2 matrix.
The Phase 2 matrix operates in much the same manner as the Phase 1 matrix. Commissions are paid out as people join the matrix and as you fill each level a certain amount of your commissions are set aside to pay the entry fee for the next level.
The commission payouts for the Phase 2 matrix are as follows;
- Level 1 – 4 members paying out $160 each (total $320 with $160 set aside for level 2 entry)
- Level 2 – 16 members paying out $160 each (total $2560 with $320 set aside for level 3 entry)
- Level 3 – 64 members paying out $320 each (total $20480 with $640 set aside for level 4 entry)
- Level 4 – 256 members paying out $640 each (total $163840 with $160 set aside for re-entry into another Phase 2 matrix)
Matching Bonus
Along with the matrix commissions, there’s also a matching bonus commission offered to AutoXTen members.
Designed to encourage members to directly recruit members and not just sit around waiting for others to do it, the matching bonus pays out 50% of the matrix earnings of those members you directly sponsor.
Additionally you’ll also earn another 50% matching bonus on those your directly sponsored members sponsor too.
In other words, AutoXTen pay a 50% matching bonus 2 levels deep but only on those directly sponsored.
Qualification
Note that in order to be eligible for commissions, AutoXTen members must be at the same level or above in their own matrix, as those they are receiving commissions from.
If this is not the case, the commission is rolled up through the upline until a suitable qualified AutoXTen member is found.
Joining AutoXTen
As mentioned earlier, one of the biggest drawcards of AutoXTen is the heavily advertised concept of investing $10 and turning it into thousands over and over again.
The only drawback with the $10 joining option however is that there is a waiting period whilst you qualify yourself on the various levels of your Phase 1 matrix.
Anyone who surpasses you in level on these matrix will have their commissions automatically rolled to your upline (or whoever is above them and suitable qualified).
The alternative to this is a $150 joining option which automatically qualifies you on all levels of your Phase 1 matrix. The idea here is that instead of relying on your commissions (other people’s joining fees), you yourself outright pay into all levels of the matrix, including product purchases.
Conclusion
It’s pretty easy to see that the entire nature of the AutoXTen business revolves around the key point that there’ll always be enough new people being brought into the business to cover the commission payouts.
Usually this is done taking the matrix as a whole but with AutoXTen they’ve managed to size this down so that as each members joins commissions are paid out.
I guess they figure that once the money is in it’s not going anywhere so why make people wait. It’s the whole carrot and stick idea, if you will.
Product wise there’s really no retail value as all they’re really there for is to add legality to the business opportunity and encourage people to continue to market the AutoXTen opportunity itself to new recruits.
What founders Chandler Robinson and Long are going to do after they’ve exhausted ‘internet marketing 101’ I’ve got no idea but they have promised to continue to keep offering new products and training to people each and every time they re-enter either of the matrices.
I imagine if AutoXTen is successful and people start re-entering 10-20 times we’re going to see a lot of outsources low quality training guides and products. Let’s be honest, at that stage nobody really cares about the product line – it’s just there to keep the regulators happy.
All in all I’d classify the AutoXTen MLM business opportunity as pretty high risk. The whole thing relies on the membership fees of new recruits outweighing the commissions being paid to members.
Eventually mathematically this is going to reach a critical point where there will simply be too many existing members demanding commissions and not enough new people entering the company and paying costs.
With no repeat consumable products and no chance of a pure retail side of the business, I see AutoXTen collapsing shortly after it gains any momentum.
Currently AutoXTen is in pre-launch with an expected launch date of July 13th if I’ve done my maths right (the countdown on the official website states there’s 19 days to go till launch from today, June 24th).
So you consider $10 high risk?
What business are you in?
$10 just gets you into the door. The REAL expense is the mandatory purchases .
@Mike Lombardo
In itself no, but (and I’m going to disagree with Kasey here) the real risk is the time you put into AutoXTen.
What they are relying on is the premise that $10 isn’t much to get started, yet it doesn’t change the fact that the entire AutoXTen system is pretty much a self perpetuating pyramid scheme.
No doubt, by design, this is eventually going to collapse and when it does you’re left with nothing. This is where the risk comes into it. By joining AutoXTen and promoting it, you’re basically taking a gamble on how long the company stays afloat before the money coming in from new recruits no longer balances out the commission payments.
Hedged against the time you spend trying to convince others to join AutoXTen, this could prove to be profitable or a complete waste of your time.
Unlike the majority of MLM review sites, I’m not merely rubbishing other companies whilst trying to get you to join another.
I don’t belong to any company so you get clear and concise MLM company reviews that analyse companies on their own merit and what they’re offering. From what I understand, as evidenced by your automatic assumption I’m pushing another company, this is somewhat of a rarity these days.
Hmmm… I think you’re right there, Oz. The main danger is ruining your relations with the hundreds of people you pulled into this scheme (and all the time wasted).
There is no real product to be sold to outside. It’s recruiting and recruiting only. There’s an attempt to disguise the pyramid with the 4 token products (mandatory, of dubious value…).
Let’s put it this way… WHAT do you get for $10?
Not a product, nor a service. What you get is permission to bring in more people, and get paid for it.
THAT IS A PYRAMID SCHEME.
I really can’t see how anyone could refer to a $10 program as a risk.
You have a better chance of making money with AutoXten then hitting the lottery. Now that is a scam. Where is the product with the lottery. Legal Scheme.
At least AutoXten is only hitting my out of pocket expense one time. Not like these other companies with their over priced vitamin and juices with the $200 autoship.
But since the only thing you GET with that $10 is permission to recruit more people, that’s called a PYRAMID SCHEME. Look it up sometime.
Lottery is legal and you know the exact odds. AutoXTen is of dubious legality with no real benefits other than some lessons of dubious value and promised payout if you recruit X people. And you don’t believe that’s “risk”?
Let’s compare MLM to the biggest lottery in Norway (Lotto):
50 % of the lottery turnover must go back to the winners. This is a percentage very similar to the total commission paid out from a typical MLM company. In theory the average ROI is then pretty much the same in lotteries and MLMs without retail sale.
But there is a big difference here. When participating in a lottery, you know this is gambling and you don’t have to do anything more than buying the lottery ticket. When joining AutoXten or similar MLM companies you do it because you consider it to be a way to earn money, and you have to put a significant amount of work into the “game” to have a chance at all. Another difference is the timing, and unless you are a top networker with a good reputation that makes the MLM company headhunt you into a top position, the odds are even higher for you. In addition you have marketing costs and other costs that don’t apply when participating in a lottery.
If you consider both money and time, the conclusion is that you have a better chance of making money with a lottery than a MLM company like AutoXten.
Okay I have to chime in here…what are you so afraid of? The fact that we are actually giving people a REAL CHANCE to succeed and make some extra money?! People like you really make me laugh…seriously, we are not stupid, we’ve been around the block, we know what we’re doing and you are simply just WRONG with everything you’re saying here.
What do you get for $10? How about an INCREDIBLE VALUE PACKED, PROPRIETARY training manual that will teach you the ins and outs of internet marketing written at the hand of 5-6 figure monthly income earners? What if that’s all you got for your $10? Are we hurting you by giving you this much value for $10? Come on give me a break here guys! And absolutely our training can and will be used to help you in anything else you’re doing..it’s not just training you how to go out and “recruit” more people in AutoXTen…again we’re not stupid guys.
Also have you taken a look at our RECENT additions? We now have a monthly training platform you can be part of to create real, residual, lasting income…I would encourage the writers of this review and you critics to take a closer look at this.
There’s a lot more here than meets the eye and that’s all I will say.
I wanted to make sure I set the record straight to anyone that reads this review of a perfectly LEGIT, LEGAL, VALUE PACKED business opportunity that is going to change the lives of THOUSANDS of people around the world. Yeah I see the risk in that. 😉 LOL this is just funny..
(OzEdit: email referral removed)
We have nothing to hide and look forward to proving you wrong with everything you’re saying here. Have a great Independence weekend!
@JeffLong
Unless there’s something you’re not telling us (like a secret manual that’s NOT on their website), $10 just gets you in the door. You don’t get the manual until you recruited X people under you, as a “mandatory purchase”.
So LOL at you right back.
@Dwight
I hope you’re not trying to compare AutoXTen with the lottery. And by comparing the risk factor with the lottery, that achieves what exactly?
You’d have a better chance of making money doing a paper round, working in a supermarket, working an office job etc. than winning the lottery. You can say the same about so many things.
The lottery and AutoXTen are completely different, one is a regulated gamble that does not need recruitment, the other is marketed as a business opportunity where the primary method of advancement (which is required to get paid) is the recruitment of others.
@Jeff Long
Come on mate, do you really think cheesy marketing tactics from the 80s are going to work here? Attempting to portray your critics as gripped with fear is corny at best. I almost didn’t bother reading the rest of your comment.
Nobody is disputing this, its the business model that’s worrying.
And what then, how do I advance in your business and earn more money? Is there any way to fill up the next level of my matrix without directly recruiting others or relying on my upline/downline recruiting others?
Can I use the value packed manual to make money with AutoXTen without recruiting others?
As far as the business opportunity goes, can I use this training to make money with AutoXTen without recruiting people or relying on my upline/downline doing the same?
You can give away gold bars, houses, make people attend university courses… it really doesn’t matter when at the end of the day there’s a mandatory recruitment requirement to fill up a matrix and get paid.
As much as you try to mask this basic principle which is at the heart of the AutoXTen business opportunity, the fact remains that new people need to be recruited to AutoXTen constantly otherwise those matrices stop cycling.
The ball is in your court and I’ll make it easy by summarising what you need to answer into a simple question;
Can I get paid in AutoXTen without recruiting others or relying on my upline/downline doing the same?
Cheers.
@Kasey
That’s true if you just enrol with $10, but you do have the option of getting all the Phase 1 products for $150 upfront. Unfortunately to recoup this cost and make money however you need to recruit others or wait for others to recruit.
Phase 2 is entirely recruitment driven as there is no way to advance without filling up Phase 1 matrices and waiting for them to enter Phase 2 and fill up those matrices so that you can cycle.
OK, let’s face it. If the prize of the main product is $10, you have to sell a lot of it to make it a business for each consultant (at least 100 retail sales per month per consultant recruited).
This means that if you want to change the lives of thousands of people around the world by the business opportunity (not by the benefit of the product, actually you mean that thousands of people will make a significant income by selling AutoXten), you have to sell millions of marketing packages.
Nevertheless, if your product is according to your claims, it should be no problem to make retail sale at this rate, and it would be easy to find a lot of happy retail customers (end users without any interest of the business opportunity).
As you have nothing to hide, how about providing the “retail rate” (products sold per registered consultant)?
The price of the entry level product (level 1 of the phase 1 matrix) isn’t $10, it’s $10 to buy into the matrix with a product thrown in.
You’re not buying any products, you’re buying entry into various levels of AutoXTen’s matrices. The products are just thrown in for legal reasons.
Also note that you can’t retail AutoXTen’s products (as far as I know). You have to buy into the business opportunity to get their products.
So I can buy this $150 thing, and not recruit anybody (or be recruited by anybody)?
Yes, you can make money without recruiting anyone. Watch the video on the website, it’s called “spill”. Someone above you spills a person under you, it happens all the time.
If nothing else, find some unemployed sales person and put them under you. Do that with 4 people, and watch what happens.
@Kasey
You can, but you have to then rely on your upline or downline to recruit people to fill the matrix. Oh and you’re not buying a $150 ‘thing’, you’re ensuring that you earn full commissions on all levels of the phase 1 matrix.
If your downline surpasses you on matrix level rank, you lose matching bonus commission.
@Scott
‘Spill’ is just a fancy term meaning your upline is recruiting. Can you earn money without somebody having to be recruited to AutoXTen?
Well nothing, unless you, they or your upline recruit more people right?
@Scott
How do you get a “downline” without recruiting anybody?
Or have an upline without getting recruited by somebody?
it appears you didn’t read my question.
I never asked if I can make money or not.
Thanks for giving a completely irrelevant answer.
Just to summarize the blatantly BAD answers giving by ‘defenders’ of AutoXTen thus far…
* Changing the subject — instead of answering issues about AutoXTen, Mike Lombardo tries to turn the spotlight on Oz, asking “You consider $10 high risk?”
* Changing the subject — instead of answering issues about AutoXTen, Dwight instead attacks the lottery and claim this makes AutoXTen better than lottery. (Comparison to monthly-autoship programs are legit, but failed to discuss the issues involved in both.)
* Ad Hominem / Name-Calling — instead of answering issues about AutoXTen, Jeff Long counters with “what are you afraid of?” an irrelevant appeal to emotion.
Jeff Long also made unsupported claims such as “we are legitimate” and “$10 gets you a beautiful training manual”.
* Irrelevant answer — instead of answering the question, can I get products in AutoXTen and not be recruited by anybody, Scott instead answers “you can make money without recruiting anybody”.
LOL THERE IS A 10 DOLLAR SIGN UP FEE. theres no damn risk involved other than 10 dollars, i spend 15 dollars when i take my girlfriend out to the movie. The worst possible scenario is i lose my investment of 10 dollars boohoo big woop. WOW this compensation plan is wicked
Sounds like Mike Lombardo clone: same exact tone.
The mindset of those creating, supporting and propagating dubiously legal schemes like AutoXTen is difficult, and in many cases impossible, to sway. It may even be that the mindset itself is reflected upon by those having it as truly congenial, beneficial and altruistic. The intention is benign.
Unfortunately, it seems that even experienced marketers who should know better are soothed by those good intentions and neglect the bleeding obvious, that the article here clearly shows.
However, when presented with a glaring contradiction between the (possible) intentions to the past-proven negative outcomes for such a model, the short circuit represented by silence or vague endorsement without reasoned rebuttal manifests. It remains for those not so conditioned to appreciate and learn how to proceed with caution and not become victims of the “well-intentioned”.
For those who have the mindset that network marketing starts with developing relationships, branding self and striving ever to the servant-leader ideal, AutoXTen is not network marketing at all, based primarily on the scrabble to make money as evidenced by the quick burn of the recruitment-dominant (monopolized) strategy.
For those with that mindset, go see how Troy Dooly rails against the reputational and flow-on material damage AutoXTen can do to the relationally-based marketer’s foundation for long term success and edifying business experience.
The network is not only a technology to catch money, it’s real people who matter and who deserve an opportunity to make a decent living with long term security of income. Using the evaporative strategy of AutoXTen can only take precious time, goodwill and camaraderie from decent folk.
For those marketers, it’s not about a modest $10 opt-in. It’s about developing trust, showing leadership and striving for long term mutually beneficial outcomes. This cannot occur when the paradigm is based on a strategy that without a sustainable product/service-based model can only at time-x, implode, spit out (perhaps) a miniscule amount of “winners”, while leaving the majority no better (likely worse, far worse than the initial $10 investment, as usual and to be expected in these schemes) than when they started.
AS STATED EARLIER..IT IS ONLY TEN DOLLARS !!
Guys, think beyond the $10 investment. This in itself isn’t an inherent risk but as a network marketer you’re risking much more than that.
I don’t know about you but my time is valuable, why would I waste it on a venture that looks completely unsustainable in the long term?
Aside from that, there’s also your reputation at stake. Why attach your name to dodgy looking MLM companies?
Finally there’s this ridiculous notion that you simply plug in $10 and get tons of money. This might be true if you’ve positioned yourself early in the system during pre-launch (which is where I presume most of the ‘but it’s only $10’ and ‘lol what risk?’ commenters are coming from in order to get more people to sign up), but what happens when the pre-launch clock ticks over and everyone pays their $10?
Those matrices will cycle a few times, maybe 5-10 if you’re lucky and yeah you’ll probably make a bit of money. But if nobody gets out there and recruits, whoever’s at the bottom is going to make zip.
These claims that you just invest $10 and sit on your arse doing nothing while the dollars roll in are bullshit. You’re risking far more than a mere $10 here.
Obviously AutoXTen themselves are going to push the ‘but it’s only $10, what’s the big deal’ line as if they convince enough people to send them $10, they still walk away with with a healthy sum of money.
As it stands the membership counter is running at 82898 members who have signed up. Multiplying this by $10 gives an instant revenue injection of $828,980, and if just 10% of those people go on to cycle once (ie. they recruit a few people), AutoXTen stands to make a gross profit of $1,657,960.
If 50% of people cycle, AutoXTen turns over 8 million dollars.
That’s more than enough for the three founders to share amongst themselves and a pretty decent return for a few months of hyping up AutoXTen’s prelaunch.
After that who cares what happens, they’ve already made their quick money and if the matrices grind to a halt it’s only the plebs you lot are trying to encourage to sign up here by carrying on about how it’s only a $10 investment who stand to lose by wasting their time, effort, reputation and money with your silly money games.
Like Jeff Long said, they’re not stupid guys… this is a carefully planned quick cash injection for the founders and a few of the people who got in early.
Still going forward with autoxten..because of the what if factor involved here.
‘what if’ what exactly?
There’s no grey ‘what if’ area here, AutoXTen is guaranteed to fail because it solely relies on recruitment to pay commissions.
The simplest pyramid test: if the recruiting stops tomorrow, will ANYONE including the company make ANY money?
In AutoXTen, the answer is “no”.
There’s no “What If” about this.
In fact, consult this handy checklist from Grimes and Reese, MLM attorneys
(1) A scheme, plan or program; CHECK
(2) For which a participant renders consideration to join;
CHECK ($10!)
(3) For the right or chance to receive compensation or other things of value; CHECK (commission and matching bonus)
(4) Which is contingent upon the introduction of additional participants into the scheme, plan or program. CHECK
There you go. Over and out.
http://www.mlmlaw.com/library/guides/Primer.htm#mlm
Actually, you have to pay $150 (not $10) in order to get commissions from all levels. If you pay only $10 then you won’t receive commissions from those who pay $150.
“Qualify” means “pay $150 as an initial payment”, in order to get qualified for all 4 levels on the phase 1 matrix.
AutoXten seems to be yet another pyramid scheme with some unnecessary products attached to it. It’s perfectly ILLEGIT and ILLEGAL (I don’t know anything about the expression “VALUE PACKED business opportunity”).
I’m sorry Mike Lombardo, Dwight, Jeff Long, Scott, myster and eddie. I don’t believe in the expression “value packed” either. People usually overestimates the value of their own work. In this scheme people are forced to spend money on some products they usually wouldn’t buy. It seems like a better idea to join an ordinary pyramid scheme without products.
Seems like Oz and k. chang,have hit all nails on the head here.The founders get paid in a major way, while most end up with goose eggs!!
Recruitment must continue to succeed,and with real products ans services,experience and knowledge shows this train will come to a screeching halt not ,ong after leaving the station!!
Man, those with the mindset to construct and implement such lucrative self-indulging ,plots and schemes are crafty thinkers.I would imagine their intent is not to harm or create financial havoc for for the masses,but to smash a grab while the getting is good for themselves and those that have similar thoughts and aspirations!!!
“Buyer beware ,comes to mind”.Being prettty much broke myself ,Im not judging those that apply and induldge!! Ive no more funds to lose myself,and its calling out to me,but that little guy on my shoulder called ‘Integrity’ is shaking his head and tapping his foot while giving me that”YOU BETTER NOT ” stare!!!!
What exactly do they mean with “… and the same scenario goes on through the rest of the levels” in the compensation plan video? The video was found on the company’s own website (autoxten.com).
Here’s a transcript from the video, 7 minutes into the video, the parts where Phase 1 and Phase 2 payouts are explained:
The company charge 25 percent as a “fee” from total payouts on level 1 in ‘Phase 1 matrix’ and ‘Phase 2 matrix’. How much do they charge in “fees” on the other levels?
25 percent “fee” on all levels?
If you have to pay the company a 25 percent “fee” on all levels it will heavily reduce potential income from the matrix. The explanation of the compensation plan (in the video) was pretty vague on this part, and tried to direct the viewers attention in other directions.
If the company keeps 25 percent as a “fee” for all levels then the presentation is heavily misleading. The expression “potential income” is exaggerated and misleading. In this scenario the upgrades will cost $300, the company will keep $2930, and you will keep $8490 if you finish the Phase 1 matrix (you keep $8630 if you pay the $150 initial fee).
Usually we don’t include fees to the company in ‘potential payout’ to a participant, and we don’t include upgrade or reentry costs either.
Hey!
AutoXTen has launched – and I am in. It cost me 10 $ which I already got back at the first day. So I am break even from day one…
I came about this review before I joined and I found it pretty weird – to say the least. Since I could not understand what the big fuzz is about. I consider it a ‘lottery’ with a much much higher EV than anywhere possible… So what’s the deal? 10 $ for a lottery with – I don’t know 50%, 70%, 90 % chance of making a few hundred bucks or even more? All I have to do
to keep it running is to talk to my friends about it and tell them of the awesome ‘lottery’ it is. Then I’m done with it.
‘Risking relationships’, ‘Risking time’ -> Come on… 😀 I don’t know what kind of horrors you guys must have seen since – but paying 10 Bucks for a high ROI lottery with some decent products isn’t one of them…
The products that you are ranting about here are real: it is an 88 page e-book filled with loads of advice on internet-marketing. Of course for the experienced marketer most of it is known already – but since it’s called ‘Internet Marketing 101’ it pretty much does its job. There are additional 8 audio recordings [about 60 min. of length] on various topics regarding internet marketing. So – there are real products. Which one could easily sell for 10 $…
I just had to say something about it. This post and the discussion about nagged me since I first saw it.
@Nemo
Yes we’ve already covered that. The matrices will cycle a few times at the start due to the massive injection of new accounts (going from 0 members to thousands will do that).
MLM is internet marketing. It’s not supposed to be a lottery.
The industry already suffers a bad rap with dodgy pyramid schemes, companies without solid products and shady network marketers making all sorts of bogus claims. It simply doesn’t need more negative publicity in the form of companies like AutoXTen, who as you acknowledge operate more like a lottery than a reputable MLM company that will still be around for years to come.
Ah, so you’re going to be one of those people. What are your friends going to think of you when some ofthem inevitably don’t make any money because they aren’t interested in recruiting people and ‘luck out’ by not getting any spillover from other people’s recruiting efforts.
Are your friends nothing more than walking suckers ready for you to take advantage of? Do they even need the products AutoXTen have or are you just looking to recruit them and walk away?
Again I’ll reiterate, MLM should not be a lottery.
If your apparent mindset is anything to go by, the products are irrelevant. You’re clearly not looking to sell AutoXTen’s products, but rather the ‘lottery’ concept you’ve convinced yourself that it is.
AutoXTen isn’t a lottery, it’s a recruitment driven money game and companies like it do considerable irreversible damage to the MLM industry every time they launch and suckers like you fall for it.
The only winners here are the three founders who are now no doubt in a position to walk away with a sizeable return on their efforts to hype up AutoXTen over the past few months.
And you did this by… introducing how many friends and family into this? It’s obviously you have not sold anything, by your own admission.
if you can improve your “odds” of winning by talking more people into buying it, that’s called a PYRAMID SCHEME. Look it up, instead of arguing from ignorance.
Again, you are missing the point. You are supposed to be SELLING PRODUCTS, not recruit people for the scheme with promises of “lottery”.
It’s clear that you have NO IDEA what you’re talking about. Why not look up the definition of “multi-level marketing” for once? Here, I’ll even spoon-feed it to you:
Multi-level marketing (MLM) is a marketing strategy in which the sales force is compensated not only for sales they personally generate, but also for the sales of others they recruit, creating a downline of distributors and a hierarchy of multiple levels of compensation (wikipedia)
You have yet to generate any sales, since you are not selling anything, but recruiting for this scheme, which fits the exact definition of PYRAMID SCHEME, which is ILLEGAL.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU ARE NOW A SCAMMER AND A FRAUDSTER.
😀 What anything should or should not be is not of importance to me…
I don’t come from the MLM-scence – but came across autoxten and found it was a good way to invest ten bucks. That’s all.
I know about all that though. And I know that a lot of really dubious things happen with MLM. But I cannot see someone being harmed here. That is the main point I want to get at. There are no contracts to recruit anybody or to sell anything.
If you happen to get people to signup – fine. If not – you simply don’t. Then there might be spillovers for you… But you have to get only *one* person to get your ten bucks back. And that is exactly what I did so far.
I know that the people behind AutoXTen see it to be a business opportunity – as they say. But since it is clear that the system will come to a halt at some point I *myself* consider it a lottery. And I may – if I please.
The next thing is that I do not live in the US – so I can’t concern myself with such issues. And since there is a product-line – as I described above – there is no reason to suspect anything illegal.
‘IN OTHER WORDS, YOU ARE NOW A SCAMMER AND A FRAUDSTER.’ -> To you I recommend some form of relaxation. You seem to be pretty upset by all of this… For no obvious reason if you ask me.
You are the one that’s conflicted. First you say “there are no contracts to recruit anybody”, then you say “you have to get only *one* person to get your ten bucks back”.
Why don’t you get your own story straight become accusing others of mental weakness?
@Nemo
So you’re just naturally attracted to online scams. Cool.
I hope anyone looking to join AutoXTen is taking note of the kind of people who buy into schemes like this.
Yeah, and then they have to do the same. And then they have to do the same. And then they have to do the same. Pyramid schemes need to be crushed, not encouraged – regardless of how low the buyin is.
Would you send $10 to a Nigerian prince in Africa if he promised you millions?
Yeah, because nobody ever got busted internationally for promoting a business…
Having a product doesn’t absolve you if the product is irrelevant to the business model, which in AutoXTen’s case it most definitely is. Recruitment is what’s being sold here and that is a pyramid scheme (you can attempt to call it a lottery but a spade is a spade).
For the naysayers, you guys kicked balls and butt on this! Outstanding rebuttals!
For the ones who invested, nothing against you, everyone likes a good story with a happy ending and if you can get that euphoric feeling for $10 or whatever you spend, so be it! I’m with you too!
We’ve all blown money at some point in time. Do what makes you happy. You have to give it up for the naysayers who thought to protect you from savvy/cunning MLM folks though!
For the gents that designed this matrix, hats off to you! Knowledge is power!
“Take all you can, give nothing back.” -Pirates of the Caribbean
I wish I could have the team of naysayers in here get together and recommend alternative investments…you guys would make a great team of stock pickers!
“You got to know when to hold ’em, know when to fold ’em..” -Kenny Rogers
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” — Carl Sagan.
All the supporters so far is basically to turn a blind eye toward the obvious and somehow believe this pyramid scheme would offer something more when it doesn’t.
@David
Turning a blind eye to this sort of activity is only harmful to the MLM industry in the long term. It’s not okay to keep churning out blatantly obvious pyramid schemes and calling it MLM. After AutoXTen it’ll be something else and then something else.
This cycle needs to be stopped.
$10 initial investment aside. ( Because I haven’t been able to make that investment due to a deadbeat sponsor.) I just did a little research on Jeff Long and then remembered having a few, how can I put this…negative experiences. Jeff Long is a scammer, My Friends. One of his online business endeavors is to sell “designer air”.
Think about it.
I want to delete my AutoXTen account however I am unable to because the site will not allow me to log into my account. I’m essentially locked out. So the combination of having a sponsor that doesn’t “sponsor”, and being unable to log into my back office, and finding out that Jeff Long is at the helm of this program…even if I can’t delete my account…I’m not going to be working this program.
Apparently, the principals of AutoXten are on the look out for an MLM Attorney. I believe the reason for that is because there is a concern that they may fall into legal jeopardy with the structure as it presently stands.
If this is a genuine development, and an attorney is hired, there will likely be some major change to how this company operates. It would seem good practice to have had a proper legal foundation based in expert legal advice before promotions began. Stay tuned.
Companies like this should be ashamed of themselves.. Creating a pay plan, gettting people all hyped up and then dropping some BS outdated product into the mix that has no real value just as a technicality.
You know there are people out there working with legitimate companies that have to put up with all kinds of dirty looks and misconceptions because of all these here today gone tomorrow fly by night get rich quick schemes… I understand if you dont know any better but to not take advice from experienced people and argue the fact is just plain ignorant. You are hurting your selves and hurting MY business.. Its irresponsible and mindless.
We have a right and an obligation to stand up to these masses of lottery mentality get in NOW morons. Not one of these companies that operates like that over the last 30 years has ever lasted and length of time why would this one be any different. Network marketing is a great industry. The only drawback is all the bad press we have to deal with because of these BS deals.
And I quote one Mr Jeff Long;
@Giovanni
Why seek legal advice after you’ve made your launch millions?
Answer: Because you’ve already made your millions and don’t really care what happens now.
I’d wager that was the plan all along. Making announcements your seeking legal advice to correct what was alawys a blatant pyramid scheme is just trying to cover your arse legally. If it ever does wind up in court I imagine they can then show they were trying to be proactive, despite the fact the damage has already been done to the MLM industry.
The problem is “claiming” to look for attorney AFTER launch with a completely illegal model and NO product only proves the founders are stupid to start with, and is a tactic used by scams before, such as TVI Express.
TVI Express have been claiming to look for attorneys only months after it started. They claimed to have hired Grimes and Reese back in 2010, but it was NEVER confirmed by ANYBODY. Soon they stopped telling that lie. For a while they even have a “barrister of marketing”, as claimed in some conference calls. Never heard of him again.
So, sorry, with a comp plan that is already illegal, then claim to look for an attorney to make themselves level? Seen it before. it’s STILL a scam.
It is hard to believe these guys do not know what they are doing, and that looking to prolong a semblance of respectability by indicating their will to commission an attorney is useful in milking the cow.
If some of the principals of the company who posted here engaged the pivotal question of legality instead of remaining silent, did not weigh in their favour either.
It seems like a play. It can take years for regulators to catch up on these schemes (if they last that long). That window is plenty wide enough for the unscrupulous to rake proceeds in big time.
It’s a kind of leech-mentality, that sucks on trusting folk (or creates others in kind who learn how it’s done), anesthetizing them to the reality of the end game they will inevitable be subject to.
Hi Dwight,
You are right about the lottery, I also often refer to it, it is a big pyramid scheme but a ‘LEGAL’ one! ‘Pyramid schemes’ are only tags that the ‘Big Boys’ place on anything they see fit! But if it belongs to them then it is deemed ‘legal’!
But about AutoXten, I don’t believe it’s a scam but I do believe it’s a con. I am good at systems and in fact, I am presently having my very own system programmed and, not to brag, but it will REALLY help people make money!
However, I am not writing to you to promote my system. The fact is that I have done my maths with AutoXten and I am amazed that nobody else has (or cannot)! It just goes to show that people will just believe what is put before them and just trust the figures!
With AutoXten, you are made to believe that, in the first matrix, you will receive $11,720 with only $10 (but they urge you to pay $150). Well agreed, ONLY if EVERYONE pays $150 will it be possible to make $11,720 (in the first matrix) and you don’t have to be Einstein to know it will work THEN!
So that being the case, that makes this program NO different to the ‘dime a dozen’ programs out there? It is only because the people running it are SMART and don’t only make you believe that you will receive $11,720 but $199,240, with only $10!! HERE is where the con comes in! Because the REAL figures are, that with $10, you will need a matrix of 16384 people!! And that’s only the first matrix!! You will be waiting a very loooong time before you fill the second matrix to make the $199,000+ they claim you can make!!!
Most all programs are mathematically correct and simple to understand, but AutoXten present their compensation plan in a way that is (purposefully) difficult to understand but looks ‘simple’ and convincing to the eye, however it is NOT mathematically correct (not with their figures) and nobody has bothered to work it out! This, to me, is unbelievable!
Let’s take a closer look at the compensation plan. With $10, the fact is, it will take 64 people to pay all four packages, so simple maths will tell you that to earn $40 from 256 people, they in turn will need 64 people each to pay YOU $40! i.e. 256 x 64 = $16,384!! Not 360 people! Simple maths!
Anyway, if they would have presented the program with the TRUE figures, i.e. $10 requiring 16384, NOT 360 people to earn $11,720 or for everybody to be required to pay $150 NOT $10, then there is no way this amount of people would have joined!
It is only because people are deceived in believing they can make $200,000 with only $10. This is a CON job!!! That is why I am not paying, not even $10, as I don’t want to fatten the pockets of the people that are going to disappoint thousands of people!
This is for Mr. Chang, the ‘Professor’ of MLM, Pyramid Schemes etc. etc. very educated in citing definitions from Wikipedia(that’s where your education stops!) but knows NOTHING about the world’s economy/system, how it is run and who ‘runs’/CONTROLS it! Maybe YOU should not be so ignorant on cetain issues. See these links and educate yourself!
Proof: World Economy is a Pyramid Scheme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD32q45APGc
Max Keiser on Alex Jones: “Enter the new Ponzi scheme”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJS4VY3mQtg
Alex Jones: Banks frauduelently invest money
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAu4QKxf0cM
Hav a nice day 😉
@ladyamazon: except we are NOT talking about the world economy, are we? Thanks for going off on a tangent. Now back to our regularly scheduled program…
Hello Chang,
No, we are not talking about the world economy, we are talking about pyramid schemes, that’s the POINT! If you want to quote pyramid schemes then you should be aware that the VERY people that place the tag of ‘pyramid’ schemes are the ones RUNNING the biggest ones of all!
I don’t like scams just as much as the next person doesn’t but I do not like rules and regulations or anybody dictating to me where I should or should not put my money! How many people go into ‘money games’ i.e. the lottery, casinos, betting and others? They are worse that so-called pyramid schemes because people have REALLY lost BIG money and many have comitted suicide, but it’s ok because they’re ‘legal’ – some people, as yourself, are really blind not to see this scam!.
Well I don’t have anything against so-called ‘pyramid’ schemes as long as the people behind them pay and that they are mathematically correct, if they are, then they work! Whether there is a product behind them or not! Anything and everything that requires the masses to pay ONE entity is a pyramid! The present system and especially the Banking system is the biggest pyramid in existence!
People should be free to put their money where they want, without any authority telling us what to do with OUR money, that’s dictatorship! Is there anything in the Constitution about pyramid schemes? Well in the Australian Constitution there certainly is NOT (and I doubt also in the US) and that is the ONLY legal document in Australia and the only one I recognise.
Unfortunately some people have to look up ‘pyramids’ on Wikipedia, but the only one worth being informed about or that you should not want to be associated with is the one on the US dollar (see attachment), the New World Order/Illuminati symbol! It’s everywhere.
After seeing the reality of it all, a so-called pyramid scheme (what a dirty word, isn’t it?!) will smell like roses after you smell the ‘rats’ that are controlling the world and want to ultimately enslave us (to say the least!).
Therefore, the point is NOT the world economy, it’s your ignorance! If you know who the ‘culprits’ are, then why would you want to stand by and quote THEIR rules and regulations as LAW? It’s absurd!!
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Just for the record, I don’t believe in AutoXten, not because it’s a ‘pyramid’ but because it’s mathematically incorrect, it is not a scam (if they pay), but it is a CON! See my post from Ladyamazon.
@LadyAmazon
You seem to be a little misguided. Comparing Pyramid schemes to other things doesn’t work. Casinos, the lottery etc are, as you point out bound to mathematical probability.
In pyramid schemes you can’t go in with statistical assurance of any type of success. You might be able to say you need X amount of people to join under you to make $X, but there’s too many variable factors that go into that recruitment to compare it with the statistical accuracy available to us in a casino or lottery environment.
This is why they are different and comparing the two is a copout.
The lottery and casinos are a form of gambling, MLM (including pyramid schemes) are not and should never be seen as a statistically provable gamble.
Regarding AutoXTen, you state this
but then also this –
You don’t see a problem here?
Just because a program pays out doesn’t mean it’s not a scam. Notice there was no mention of products or retail sales anywhere in your analysis. For a MLM business, this is a big red flag and strong indication it’s a scam.
Why?
How many people are required for those 16384 people to get to phase 2. How many people are then required for those 16384 people to get to phase 2.
…I’m sure you can see where this is going. A business has to be sustainable. Requiring ever increasing numbers of people to join just to pay out existing members is a scam, any way you cut it.
This is a fundamental difference in all the other businesses/concepts you mention in comparison to pyramid schemes. Clearly, they are not the same.
I got caught up in the hype of AXT during prelaunch and the promise of massive spillover. Thousands of people like myself got caught up in the hype and paid $150. Well, after launch day, thousands didn’t get spillover and were left hanging.
They promoted this axt by saying you can turn $10 into $10,000 in a 4×4 matrix. A 4×4 matrix only has 340 positions so there is no way they are going to pay you $10,000 with only $3,400 coming in. It wasn’t until a week before launch that they told us the only way to get the full compensation plus matching bonuses is for everyone in your 4×4 matrix to join by paying $150.
That left a lot of people wondering well how many people do I need in my downline in order to earn the $10,000 if everyone joined at $10. They will not answer you if you email them the question. Truth be told it will take thousands upon thousands of people in your downline in order for you to earn the $10,000 if everyone joins by paying only $10. Like 21,844 people.
The owners told us they are honest people and people of integrity. They said they hate liars and thieves. Now they are changing the rules in the middle of the game and telling everyone that $10 is only the admission fee yet they still won’t tell you how many people you will need in your downline to earn the compensation plus matching bonuses.
They said just focus on sponsoring people and don’t worry about how many people you need. Jeff, Scott, and Brent need to tell the whole truth. At $10 it will take a 4×7 matrix not a 4×4 matrix.
Really? One of the fundamental reasons a pyramid scheme is illegal (a scam) is that mathematically is it not sustainable, that it cannot pay without ripping the majority of players off. That is, the majority of players will NOT be paid.
Today, Troy Dooly confirmed that even though AutoXten management assured him they were legit and would hire an MLM specialist attorney to address their model, it never happened.
What this indicates is that while Troy gave management the benefit of the doubt, that they were somehow naive about to the blatant pyramid nature of their scheme and that their intentions were in the right place, that it is now likely their intentions are not in the right place.
Of course, the scheme will continue to reap from the poor to fill further the coffers of the unscrupulous rich. The many continue to serve the needs of the few. If this didn’t end up causing so much bad feeling and disenchantment amongst the majority who loose out, then we could instead regard pyramid schemes as a charity run clothed in a make-believe game of a business opportunity.
Pyramid schemes, however, are not charities, and they are not business opportunities.
@Angelo
This is what is called ‘trying to cover your arse and minimise collateral damage’ after you’ve succesfully launched a completely unsustainable business model.
Forget the maths, on the surface anyone should have been able to look at AutoXTen and realise it wasn’t going to work in the long term.
@Angelo — if they told you to just keep sponsoring people and don’t worry about the rest, they *know* they’re operating a pyramid scheme, but just won’t admit it.
Ok, agreed, it is very possible the model cannot succeed when saturation hits, but, 10 buck entry, so one sign up, you got your 10 back, which ive done, i just got in like last week, i got 1 sign up and its showing 10 bucks in my payout, ok so ive broken even, so, let’s say this is a pyramid, well, i got my 10 bucks back, so, is this yet another program that people will milk for awhile til it runs dry?
There’s alot of those out there, came and gone…..Honestly, i think these guys created this program as a feeder to roi unlimited, you didn’t hear it from me, but that’s what ive heard…..So that’s what many people need to do, just hop on programs like this, earn some cash, move it into something else, don’t expect to make 199,000, but maybe 9500 and move on…..
None the less, i am so so so, sick and tired of the “whiner review”, that is so so old and tired, go whine about famine in somalia, do you make posts and blogs about that? Probably not, a 10 dollar price point is not going to put somebody into foreclosure, we also know, time and time again, these programs are started up to make quick cash, everybody knows this by now, they put some “e product” on the site, make some flashy pictures and videos and they are in business,
we get it already, the reviews and whiney arguments are old, if you dont like it, dont get in, if somebody loses 10 bucks, oh well, its not 10,000, its 10 bucks, they use that on joints, cigs, booze, lap dances, nails done, hair done, mcdonalds, buying new electronics and computer accessories they don’t need, etc etc big freakin deal,
go blog about bring our troops home, go blog about famine in somalia, where 30,000 children have died in the last 90 days, go blog about haiti, forgot about them already eh?…….go blog about what we will do with these 2 parties bickering and nothing getting done with this nation. i mean seriously, hell go blog about barney the fat purple dinosaur.
@Whinersuck
The problem with this line of thinking (it’s only $10) is that another person sees the return you get from starting such nonese, and they then go out and start their own opportunity.
Then someone else does it and so and so forth.
Somebody is always left at the end of the line losing out. Now yes it’s only $10 but it’s also illegal to operate and participate in blatant pyramid schemes.
That alone should be a deterrent but until the law catches up the best we can do is inform people of the true nature and intent behind schemes like AutoXTen.
That might not be in your best interests as a participant of these schemes, but for someone new to MLM, it might just be the difference between leaving a sour taste in their mouth for the rest of their lives, or saving them from a giant waste of time and screwing other people over financially to make a dollar.
@Whinersuck — and here you are whining about whiners… join the club. 😀
@the professional whiners – yep, its about time somebody whined about the whiners, of course unlike you im sure, i do not make a hobby of it, or a life long campaign, this is the first ive addressed it after getting tired of seeing it over and over again.
soon as a new program comes out when you clearly already know the routine the whiney starts. Lifes a pyramid, always has been, let’s not try to pull the wool and say it’s not, because it is. Your company you work for is a pyramid and so is your household…..
Now, with that being said, crusaders to save all the the newbies from wasting their life long dreams away and 10 dollars that was put away to pay for their dream home, kids college and new dodge truck. I’m not so sure this program is a “pyramid”, you sure have processors (i heard they may be implementing another pay and commission option), they sure seem to not have a problem with the program, oh….wait, i know why, it has a product. (sure, it’s nothing you may agree to, or something that probably couldn’t be found on the net after searching on google for free) but it is a product.
no different than some companies will charge you $600 to repair your credit, another will sell you an e book on how to do it yourself for $29.99, another site may email you the steps completely free for just coming to their website, all the same information and methods), none the less, it’s a product and for 10 bucks, you have access to the first e book then when upgraded (out of commissions, so nothing more out of pocket) , you have access to the rest. Hmmm, pyramid? No product? Not so sure.
B S product? possibly, but once again, matter of opinion…..None the less, as stated earlier, go blog about our many forest fires destroying america and how we can help stop it through security and education, or about famine, a horrible state in africa as i was stating, or maybe what can be done about this nations debt.
Go rant about white collar crime, embezzling millions from corporations or tow truck drivers snatching cars charging outrageous impound fees ripping off the public of 100’s to 1000′ to get your car back, You look kind of silly on here whining about 10 bucks to be honest lol.
Ok peace out DUDES! VIVA LA AUTOXTEN!!! : ) (oh and p.s. got my 4 in today, i found 3 more, now i have my 4, woot woot!)
Hi WhinersSuck
I personally do not believe in AutoXten because they are deceiving you in the amount of people you need in order to make the money they claim, but I don’t have anything against so-called ‘pyramid schemes’ in general if the compensation plan is good. It’s a money game, so what!
Our ‘Democrats’ (DemonRats) allow you to throw away your money and don’t give two hoots that you lose money on THEIR money games, such as lotto, casino, betting etc; but they are labelled ‘legal’ because they are THEIR games!
Mr. Chang insists they are not the same thing, well they ARE, they are money games! With the only difference that they are the ones making the money! And they are the very ones placing the tag on whatever they want i.e. the ‘dirty’ word, ‘pyramid scheme’
I told Mr. Chang that the only pyramid he should watch out for is the one on the US dollar, the NWO symbol! But I have not wasted anymore time with him as he (and many others here) is so blinded and busy posting blogs on stupid, insignificant things like ‘illegal’ pyramids, rather than being able to see the REAL PROBLEMS taking place in front of their very eyes!
Furthermore, some desperate people are only trying their luck in making some quick money (which they should be free to do if they so want!), as the very perpurtrators that are running the BIGGEST pyramid, namely the banking system, has purposefully put them in such a desperate economic situation! But some people fail to see this very obvious fact.
Good on you for telling them to open their eyes, because as I have also written (see my post), everything is a pyramid! Our entire system is a pyramid and the biggest of all (the bankers) are crashing the world economy, ruining peoples’ lives! Most of the people that write here are ignorant, they know only what is fed to them by the mainstream media and act as parrots by repeating what it says, they also have a name,’sheeple’! I wonder if they know why they call it ‘The American Dream’? It’s because they’re all asleep!
They should watch these videos (and many more about the NWO) and WAKE UP!
Proof: World Economy is a Pyramid Scheme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD32q45APGc
Max Keiser on Alex Jones: “Enter the new Ponzi scheme”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJS4VY3mQtg
Alex Jones: Banks frauduelently invest money
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAu4QKxf0cM
Hav a nice day.
@whinersuck — I’m purely amateur lamenting all the fake MLMs pretending to be legitimate. However, I am starting to doubt the entire industry, but I’ll work with the existing definitions for a while, but that’s for another day.
You, on the other hand, sound like a professional cheerleader: all the positive, none of the negative. Guess we balance out. 😀
@K.Chang, come now…See, more of your tactics…Go back and read what i said, i even sat right there and said that “you know the routine”, most of these programs are just slapped together to make quick money or as a feeder into another main program.
I also stated that let’s face it, these “e books” they use as their product im sure the same information could be found easily free online. I said other things as well, so this “pro cheerleader” accusation is untrue, and maybe you need to read “everything” i state, also not make up that i appear to just be here to cheerlead a program, just because i do not 100% agree with you, and stated that the whiney blog tactic, as soon as a new program hits the scene is old internet news, we’ve seen it forever now online.
Matter fact, if you read what i stated, it clearly shows i agree with some of your points and acknowledged them. Go make some money chang, it will make you feel better, trust me.
@ladyamazon – you have hit quite a bit right on the nose, and i’m glad you are very knowledgable and have your eyes wide open. Furthermore, you see exactly the point i’m making when it comes to the “Whiney Blog” routine, everytime a new mlm comes out.
Now, I do have a question for you, can you explain exactly how it takes more people than what they stated. I’ve looked at the videos in the back office where they break it down literally on a marker board. I think one thing people thought was once you join for 10, and have 4 get 4 etc etc, that once you reach 340 in your matrix, you will make over 11k, well that is impossible because 10 bucks x 340 = 3400, so not possible, but… 4 that get 4 that get 4 that get 4 = 256 x 150 = 51,000.
I think what’s been misunderstood about autoxten is this, the program is actually a $150 entry price point, which as you see above is clearly enough for you to make a payout of over 11k with 340 in your matrix total, with only everyone finding 4 and that’s it. BUT, most came in at 10 bucks and as you bring in people they “upgrade” you to the next level. That is why it seems as if the numbers are incorrect because people are coming in at 10 and having to bring in more and more people to get upgraded to the full $150, which would kick out the massive payoffs quickly as we were thinking.
Like for example my direct upline, he paid $150 day 1, i have not, but i am level 2 now because i have found my 4 and they kept 20 out to pay for my level 2, i only came in at 10 bucks. now, once my 4 find their 4, which i will work closely with them on, provding leads etc etc, and also working the program myself which creates spillover, i will be paid 160, and then i will upgrade the full 150 out of that and then im done with upgrades.
I am slowly starting to understand how this works better, the video in the backoffice where he is there live writing it out on the marker board helped me understand it much better. Also, here is another video that’s not even in the backoffice, a girl that has over 80 personal sign ups with a huge downline and has made over 13k so far sent it to me today, i also know of her from other programs and she is a good girl and a very good mlmer, take a look tell me what you think.
Bottomline, it appears it takes these “stair steps” if you do not come in at 150, which is the actual total program price, if you wish to stair step from 10 bucks your way up, yes, it takes longer because you have to upgrade all of the way and so does everybody else that comes in at 10 bucks has to do. Let me know if there is something you see that is still not looking right, im all ears. http://www.autoxtenleaders.com/training/the-comp-plan-in-detail-must-watch/
Then forgive me as you are sending a mixed message. There’s half where you mumble about how the industry is full of fraudsters selling crap. The other half you mumble about whiney bloggers, AND at the end you claim you’re getting some success in it.
Maybe you’re not a cheerleader, but you’re definitely promoting it.
@K.ChangtheProfessionalWhinerobviouslyjealousIwishtheyoungladwouldjustmakesomemoneysowecanallstopseeinghiswhineywhineyboohoohooFONT – Sorry, i had to give you a new name, try and read it, it’s pretty cool.
Ok so anywho, i haven’t promoted a thing, you like blog arguing over nothing, this is clear. Listen to the lady, she saw right through you too…..Isn’t it odd how people like yourself always proclaim “doing the public a service”, and “i’m just a good little chrisitan and honest, trying to help”. Yet you always have to exaggerate or lie while trying to make your point.
Show me where i posted any type of link to my site “promoting” this program, the one above has no connection to signing up with me, so how would i be helping myself if anyone saw this….Matter fact, if anything, i would miss out on a sign up if anybody read any of this and decided to join, i didn’t see on that link where it says to contact a member to join, that link was handed to me in the backoffice while i was in a chatroom after i asked someone having tons of success with this to please show me more on how exactly does this thing pay out commissions….
See Chang, i will call you chang for short, your new name is quite long, you just can’t get over the fact there are many of us that think you’re nothing but a cry baby, and quite comical, warning the world of the latest 10 dollar madoff fraud, actually that video link above answers many questions about how the comp plan works, go watch it.
Everything is full of fraudsters, look at you, you’re a fraud, making up accusations to pad your point, tsk tsk tsk, low ball move son, if you got to make up things to help your point, then well…….. I never said e books were crap, i said you could probably find them free online, “keyword probably”. And “Claim” success, umm, it’s a 10 buck program, actaully the way i promote it, it’s free for the person to join, but i won’t get into how i do that, you’ll have more to cry about into 2012.
Pretty hard to not have success paying 10 bucks, then my first sign up they put 10 bucks back into my payout, wow, i was even 1 hour after i signed up. Such the fraud lol. Chang, i can call you change for short right, chang, you can’t win, you can argue like a 12 year old until you turn blue, but you can’t win, nobodys playing your silly game, so you can’t win.
Hey guy, here’s a thought, instead of being jealous (that you didn’t think up this idea yourself, it’s so obvious), go make a program, you know, one on the up and up and not scamming the world as you say this one is, and start helping people pay down their debt and live better lives, it would be better time spent don’t ya think Chang?
Hi,
You seem to be quite informed yourself, which is refreshing as the way I see it, today the world is split up in 2 categories, the people that know and the the ones that don’t (or don’t want to know), what is going on in the world today. Well if they want to dream, they’ll wake up soon enough!
Anyway, regarding your question about AutoXten, you also seem to understand that it is impossible to make $11,000+ with only 360, it will actully take over 16,300 people. I explained it on a previous post, see part of my post below….
What I don’t like about AutoXTen is that they try to make you believe that you can earn $199,000 with only $10, this is a con, because it is not true. Like you said, it will only work if EVERYBODY comes in with $150, otherwise they are lying!
Also the way they explain it (or better still what they do not say or make clear), is done in a way to ‘explain’ but to confuse you so that it is not easy to work out; because they could have made it very easy for everybody to understand, with a simple chart showing how much commission YOU get from each level BELOW you.
Instead they chose to camouflage it and show you how much you pay UP! Nobody cares how much their upline gets, people want to know what’s in it for them! This is where the catch is because most people believe the maths have already been done for them and don’t want to go figuring out anything, and besides they did make it purposefully difficult.
I’m afraid you were misled too, because you say..
Well sorry to say! But remember that with your first 4 people, you only receive $10, the rest goes to admin and your upgrade. Therefore when your 16 come in, you will NOT receive $160! This is what will happen:-
a) The 4 below you with receive $10 each (from their 4 people); 4 x $10 = $40
b) Admin will receive 4 x $10 = $40
c) The 4 below you will have to pay for THEIR upgrade (just like you did) 4 x $20 = $80
That’s your $160! GONE!
d) However, don’t despair! You being 2 levels up, will receive a matching bonus of 4 x $5 = $20 (which will be deducted from the $80)!
In all, it is going to take 64 people for you to be able to pay ALL 4 upgrades and pay one person $40! So the same is going to apply for each person; in order for 256 people to each pay you $40 on the last level, you will need 256 x 64 = 16,384 people!
That’s the reality of AutoXten, don’t place too much hope in it!
I know about systems, as I will soon be launching my own, and it will be different to ANY of these systems, as we all need to make some money BEFORE 2012!
🙂
@Whinersuck — let’s see, what was it that you wrote…
Let me guess, that was irony and was not supposed to be taken seriously?
Guess I don’t have to take you seriously then. 😀
@K.ChangtheProfessionalWhinerobviouslyjealousIwishtheyoungladwouldjustmakesomemoneysowecanallstopseeinghiswhineywhineyboohoohooFONT – He’s baacckkkk, go chang, go chang! it’s your birthday!
lol If i were trying to promote auto, i would have posted my sign up link, if that’s what you are refering to, furthermore, without even knowing, i posted that comp video which has somebody elses link to sign up on it if you click on the correct link at the top of the video which i didn’t notice was on there.
So, highly doubt im trying to promote the program here for my benefit. You made whiney points on here and i decided to respond to it, nothing more. Oh, and you take me seriously, look how much attention i have of yours now son : ), I actually typed VIVA LA AUTOXTEN! (see just did it again), to make you more angry, cause i know it just chaps yer hide these people are spending 10 bucks and when they sign up their 1st one they’ve broken even! OMG SUCH the SCAM! call the Navy Seals! FBI! CIA! NWO! WWE! lol.
I will proceed further with the program once i get clarification on how this matrix truly works, i’ve heard different explanations of it, and i’ve taken them all in, and also have listened to what lady has said. What you do not realize is here son, you want to assume (and try and make me into something, which you keep doing that i’ve noticed, yet are such the honest informer warning the public so called), that i’m just here to get sign ups, actually because of whiners like yourself, i do not use the net that much to get sign ups, i do more of a direct approach for 95% of my marketing.
So you’re (once again) completely wrong, i’m just tired of whiners such as yourself, and hypocrites that proclaim such honest people yet you make up lies to pad your whine, you also assume things to much and exaggerate, furthermore you do not put this much energy and effort into meaningful things in this world, but want to act as if this 10 buck program (you are jealous you didn’t think up first no doubt) , is ruining america, you lose chang : ).
Ok guy, have fun posting, im going to help people and while doing so make a little money as well. I hope your whiney blog skit is making good money! Good Luck son.
@Whinerssuck — so what is your opinion on AutoXTen? I can’t tell from all your ranting and raving. You said you had success in it, but you compare it to bunch of legal yet underhanded fees and markets and whatnot. So you do admit that VIVA thing was sarcasm?
Whining about the whiners is still whining. In fact, “whining” is such a loaded word. However, you have yet to present much if any evidence that our “whining” is wrong or misleading (except in details, like how LadyAmazon picked out some math problems).
US law is very clear: you can’t pay to join, then get money just for signing people up who do the same. That’s a pyramid scheme. Thus far, AutoXTen looks like a pyramid scheme. The fact that they did NOT consult an attorney before forming the system only points to the shady nature of the whole thing.
I wish you success, and wish you don’t end up like Bernie Madoff.
@Whinerssuck
1. It’s not whining, it’s creating awareness.
2. If you’re live can be defined as a pyramid scheme, then I sorely pity you. Oh, and even if it is, that doesn’t excuse programs like AutoXTen.
You’re paid out commissions on how many people you recruit and can’t purchase the products seperately from the business opportunity. Of course it’s a pyramid scheme.
And none of these will pay you a commission for recruiting others to join some club. You can purchase all of the above mentioned products via retail, something you cannot do in AutoXTen.
Can’t purchase it retail? Yeah it’s a bullshit product(s).
This is a blog about MLM, why would I write about completely non related topics. If people like you are finding your way here then I’d say it’s pretty much doing it’s job (in highlighting just how frivilous schemes like AutoXTen are).
@LadyAmazon
So how many people do I have to recruit to win the lottery or at the casino?
@Oz (and for Chang)
(Quote) “So how many people do I have to recruit to win the lottery or at the casino?”
Your sarcasm is only sheer IGNORANCE. The lottery, casinos and betting systems are Government entities, so of course THEY are the ones that do the ‘recruiting’ and receive the money!
No matter what name they chose to give to the systems, EVERYTHING that requires the masses to pay ONE entity is a PYRAMID! What’s more what is the definition of ‘legal’? Wouldn’t you say the CONSITITUTION should determine what ‘legal’ is? Well go and get INFORMED if the Constitution is being RESPECTED!
By the way, the Constitution is about REAL freedom, not about dictators telling you where to put or not to put your money!
The innocent public have been robbed out of THEIR own money. We are talking TRILLIONS of dollars, not a lousy $10!! And you know where it’s gone? Into the very pockets of the people who dictate to YOU what is ‘legal’, but they don’t follow what is legal themselves, the CONSTITUTION! And you BELIEVE what you are told, like little children, and take it all in; hook, line and sinker! Like the ‘sheeple’ you are!
I have already sent some videos to the ‘Professor’ Chang, but I bet he is too ignorant to watch them! Because if he did, he wouldn’t still be here acting like the ‘know it all’ (with Wikipedia’s backup), he doesn’t give up, just like a pesky little fly! Afraid of the TRUTH Prof. Chang?
I am fed up with you people, you are blind by choice! I have said what I have to say and I am not going to waste anymore time with such ignorant people.
It is ‘sheeple’ like yourselves that think that they are so ‘goodie-goodies’ and ‘upright citizens’, trying to abide by the so-called law (dictatorship) and doing the ‘right’ thing for their country, that will actually allow the country/ies to fall slaves on their knees.
You want to do something good, WAKE UP and get informed (something they do not want you to be) and do something constructive that will help you and your country and stop your petty whining about what’s legal and what’s law, wait until Marshal Law comes in and then we will see if you have anymore sarcasm left!
Well here are the videos again, for those of you that LOVE writing about ‘pyramids’ and ‘legalities’ (ha!). Have a look at these ‘pyramids’ or the one on the US dollar, that’s the one you should watch out for!
Proof: World Economy is a Pyramid Scheme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD32q45APGc
Max Keiser on Alex Jones: “Enter the new Ponzi scheme”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJS4VY3mQtg
Alex Jones: Banks frauduelently invest money
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAu4QKxf0cM
Jesus Christ it’s like those nutjob Teaparty rallies you see on TV come to life.
So if I’m ‘recruited’ by the government, how many people do I need to go and then recruit so that the government pays me a commission?
This is not what makes MLM companies pyramids. It’s the fact that they only or heavily weight commissions based on the recruitment of others. They in turn then need to do the same and then eventually statistically it’s impossible to sustain.
The lottery and casinos on the other hand require participants (or players) to purchase a ticket or buy into a game that they have a known stastical chance of winning. This is called gambling, MLM is not gambling.
You don’t have to neccesarily agree (or participate) in either the lottery or casinos (I do neither) to appreciate the differences between such business models and a MLM pyramid scheme. Your attempts at legitimising MLM pyramid scheme companies (such as the one you’re about to launch I imagine) by proclaiming the ‘entire system’ a pyramid scheme are complete nonsense.
@ladyamazon: trying to bring up irrelevant issues (such as whether other things can be considered pyramid schemes) doesn’t really prove anything other than you can’t stay on topic. We’re discussing AutoXTen.
Your argument can be summarized as “pyramid schemes ain’t really that bad”. At best, it’s a “tu quoque” fallacy.
Feel free to call me names. I’ve been called worse by pyramid scheme worshippers.
@Oz
I’m afraid one cannot make the blind see! You are missing the point by a long shot! You continue to repeat the DEFINITION of a ‘pyramid’ like parrots! I’m not interested to hear your definition or the differences to lottos etc, they all come under ‘money games’! The masses pay one entity, that’s a pyramid – may I add, with little or no chance of getting anything back, whereas an MLM (or whatever you want to call it), works on the basis of not one person doing a lot for little, but many people doing a little for a lot. Which is how the very rich are rich! Do you think it is from their own efforts? Of course not, they have the little person working for them, like slaves, but they don’t want us to do it, do they?
In so-called pyramid schemes, you put in a little work and you will receive something back, it’s not a game of chance where 99.9% you will NOT get anything back! You have a much higher percentage to make some money in MLM’s or matrixes etc than you do with lotto or gambling! You are just brainwashed that because one is tagged ‘legal’, all is ok! Even if people commit suicide because they lose everything! But, the point (that you still do not see) is that we should be FREE to put our money wherever we want! It’s nobody’s business what we want to do with OUR money! If we want to try and leverage it in some way, it should be nobody’s business. You people are so indoctrinated that you do not understand the TRUE meaning of FREEDOM anymore!
But you still have not answered my questions, i.e. what determines something to be legal? Do you consider the Constitution to be legal? If so, please let me know in what section MLM or pyramid programs are mentioned? You avoid answering these questions, WHY?
Don’t even both to reply and waste my time if you cannot answer the above questions.
@LadyAmazon
No you are missing the point. This article is about AutoXTen and it's pyramid scheme'esque business model. Nobody gives a crap if you think the entire world is a pyramid scheme unless you can somehow frame it within the context of the AutoXTen business opportunity.
Even if the entire world was a pyramid scheme, this doesn’t somehow validate or legitimise AutoXTen’s current business model.
This is not how MLM works and by definition is unsustainable. MLM is about marketing products and things of value.
Many people doing a little for a lotRecruiting should be an afterthought and only extended to those genuinely looking to enter the industry. You should not have to join a company and become a member just to purchase the company’s products.This model is not MLM, it’s a pyramid scheme scam.
And where did you pull this statistical number from? Lotteries and casinos operate on fixed percentages. Go look up probability and stop wasting everybody’s time.
So what?! Newsflash: This doesn’t legitimise AutoXTen’s pyramid scheme business model!
Not when you intend to scam people with unsustainable pyramid scheme business models.
Oh please, trying to legitimise pyramid schemes under the pretense of ‘freedom’, what a joke. Go try and buy something illegal with your money and see where that gets you. You are not free to purchase or buy into whatever you want with your money and you never have been.
Pyramid schemes cause irrevocable financial chaos when they get too big and reach that critical point where the numbers just aren’t sustainable. This is they are illegal.
The fact that, if left unchecked, a blatant pyramid scheme (not MLM) is unsustainable and will leave thousands, if not millions out of pocket. Mathematically they do not work and benefit only those who start them and the few that get in early (usually friends or acquaintances of those who start them).
What in the world does the constitution have to do with running pyramid schemes? Does the constitution explicitly mention rape, taking hard drugs, decapitating people, building nuclear bombs!? Well guess that’s all legal too then!
Yeehaw!
(what an utterly ridiculous argument to make).
Unless you can frame your conspiracy theories within the context of AutoXTen, stop wasting mine and everybody elses time trying to legitimise your own upcoming business opportunity.
@Oz
How many pyramid schemes did it take for your country to reduce itself to such an “irrevocable financial chaos” that it is in today? Ha 🙂
Also I am sure you know that the constitution is based on bible principles, therefore yes! “rape, taking hard drugs, decapitating people and building nuclear bombs” would be against the Constitution, but since your country does ALL those things, well then I guess it’s legal, isn’t it? And here you are making such a fuss about a little pyramid scheme tsk tsk tsk!
Give it up!
@ladyAmazon — I always thought Oz is in Australia or New Zealand. Did you assume he’s in the US?
It appears you’re fixated on “pyramid schemes ain’t that bad compared to other stuff”. It doesn’t change the fact that pyramid scheme is currently illegal in almost every nation in the world.
Thus your comparison of pyramid schemes to legitimate government and economic activities are a red herring.
@LadyAmazon
Australia isn’t in any irrevocable financial chaos…?
I assume you’re talking about the US, in which case I’d place the blame on not balancing the money coming in with the money being spent. Your stupid pyramid scheme conspiracy theories don’t even fit into the equation.
I didn’t ask what it’s based on, I asked if it was explicitly mentioned in the constitution.
Firstly Australia does no such thing, and secondly what do you mean my country. You’re publishing from Australia yourself.
Latest update from AutoXten:
“1. Scott Chandler and Brent Robinson,
the co-founders of AutoXTen have made the decision to
leave AutoXTen and move on to other projects…”
This leaves:
“Franco Gonzalez & Jeff Long
The “X” Men – AutoXTen Founders”
The premise is that this is business as usual, “no worries”, and no need to offer fuller explanation. I’m guessing the same business as usual fob will come when AXT close shop in due course, which is completely in accord with this kind of scheme: an understood limited shelf life where the ratio of cash the system generates is highest for those at the top who are fewest, and nil for the vast majority who at not at the top.
Because such a scheme is deliberately engineered to work like this, yet hyped as the diametric opposite (that the majority will do well), the value of the system is primarily mercenary and anathema to the relational values that drive legitimate MLM marketing practice.
With the former, the gamble is that you are high enough on the tree to beat the other punters out of their “investment”, while with the latter one’s success is determined on skill in how well one caters, supports and edifies those marketers that come in after them to the business.
The latter also strives to have an extended shelf life so that more rather than fewer marketers have an opportunity to succeed.
I think Troy Krause over at MLMHelpDesk even said AutoXTen is shady as heck. He liked the founders, who had been around the block a few times (i.e. several failed ventures), but Troy immediately focused on the pyramid-y nature of the scheme, and how it had NOT been reviewed by an attorney who specialize in MLM law.
It’s clear now that it’s such an OBVIOUS case of pyramid scheme no attorney need to look, IMHO of course.
In fact, such guidelines are available on mlmatty.com, and it’s clear from what’s shown there that AutoXTen is a pyramid scheme by US laws.
The whole episode demonstrate a complete lack of forethought by the founders… and people who joined.
Thanks for the heads up Giovanni, full writeup here.
When people ask what the harm is with schemes like this it’s not in any one given scheme, it’s that if they’re not squashed and addressed they just keep popping up again.
The founders walk away with millions and the members are left holding the bag trying to recruit others who then have absolutely no hope of making anything. It’s a disaster.
WhinersStillSuck, Now chang did you whine and tattletail? is that why my posts aren’t showing? Tsk Tsk, or do you own this board and now censoring my posts? Tsk Tsk Tsk. Typical…..
Oh by the way, i never joined autoxten, i just don’t like grown whiney so called men. Like watch after autox closes shop, you will be right back on another board attacking the next new mlm. It’s like a hobby or something for you i guess. lol
@whinersstillsuck
If memory serves you wrote a few useless comments directed at K Chang that didn’t contribute anything to the discussion about AutoXTen. Calling people names isn’t constructive dialogue and as such your comments were nuked for spam.
It’s rare I don’t publish comments but childish insults that add nothing to the discussion aren’t worth myself or anyone’s time (and even then I’m pretty liberal with what does and doesn’t get published).
@Whiner — first you associate a very obvious scam with legitimate MLM model. Now you attribute your spam getting canned to a conspiracy. What’s next on your paranoia agenda?
conspiracy? who said conspiracy? not i….look, face it, the both of “yuz” are two, overgrown punk men, that probably can’t keep a woman because you cry to much.
You sqwuack “scam scam” at everything, heck, even the legit ones if you haven’t figured it out, or agree with it, i’m sure you attack those to. everybody knows your “type”, you sit online whining about everything, yet your lazy, cry baby overgrown butts never get out and DO , something about it, why aren’t you lobbying to get more harsh laws passed on this sort of thing?
Why aren’t you reporting these to attorney generals and maybe work with legit programs to get the word out on helping people to steer clear. Wheres your “passion” when it comes to starving somolians or injustice to women in afghanistan? People like yourselves sit online, all day, whining, barking, pointing on boards and blogs and forums.
Sorry, you get no respect out of me, now go “whine spam” ozzy , keep showing us what a big baby you are. YAWN
oh and K Chang, umm your “conspiracy” accusation just went flat, I wasn’t saying it was a conspiracy, i knew it to be fact, and ozzy there just admited he was censoring me. Tsk tsk tsk, can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen with your bitchen and gripin’.
Wrong.
Seriously, do you know how long it takes to compile the information that goes into a thorough MLM company review? There’s resources to be checked, compensation plans to be dissected, founders and staff to be researched on. It’s not child’s play.
Meanwhile you sit there complaining about complaints. I certainly know your lazy arse type.
Because the laws are already in place to deal with these kind of scams, it’s the enforcement and investigations that are seriously lagging behind the legislation.
I plan to review as much as I can but as mentioned before these things take time. I’ve recently ramped up the publishing schedule and even this week have reviewed a few opportunities that aren’t just out and out scams.
This is a blog about MLM. It has nothing to do with starving somalians or injustices done to women.
I think there’s some self projection going on. Someone is clearly upset they’ve had their parade rained upon.
And whilst we’re at it, what’s this horseshit?
Yet 12 days ago you stated
Someone just lost all credibility and I really don’t give a crap about or need your respect son.
And I entirely reserve the right to. Nobody wants to read about your petty insults that add nothing to the discussion. I’ve had this policy since I started BehindMLM over a year ago and firmly believe it keeps what is published here relevant, constructive and interesting to read.
i never was in autoxten ozzer, now behave before i make your mother my pet, try me. : )
So you are just full of crap then?
Cool.
Ladies and gentlemen, observe the credibility of those who defend schemes such as AutoXTen.
never defended it, see, that’s the thing, just like chang, notice how “credible” and “honest” you people are, yet you always twist things to try and make your point. go back and “cut and paste job” the other parts of what i said, no, you won’t do that, where i talked about we know the routine, etc, we obviously know what this is about etc.
no, you just lie and make it out like i came on here jazzing up autoxten and didn’t say that i know they have b s products anybody can find on the net, etc etc.
This is my whole point, whiners like you want nothing more than to whine, focus on negative, and twist to make your point. You’re no better than anybody that starts one of these programs, matter fact, guys like you are hypocrites, you probably embezzled money before yourself, now on here “warning” the public about a 10 buck program. lol Typical.
Go make a blog about how we need to get self-sufficient with our energy and stop buying oil, try that one out dude. i got some good blogs about things that matter, id post them but them you’d start whining about how im self promoting on your blog lol, whine whine whine whine whine lol
@wizardofOz
Oh really.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
And you still insist your never joined despite going on about your upline, how many people you’ve recruited and not wanting to pursue with the opportunity until you understand the compensation plan better.
You sound like somebody (incredibly childish) who joined AutoXTen without understanding the concept of the opportunity, read up about it, possibly left and is now pretending like they were never in it, whilst doing your best to divert attention away from the opportunity itself and focus is on ‘whining’.
I don’t have time for your silly games.
LOL he’s angry lol, dude, face it, why would i have to lie to you about joining a 10 dollar program, once again, as i said before, no need to impress you, that’s for sure.
Everything i said made you angry, still does. dude, move on, didn’t you say that program is tanking? umm move on, it’s over, who cares. Are you a chic? or a guy, because you sure sound like some whiney old battle axe woman lol. Cut and pasteing, yet calling me immature lol.
People can see this whole board show boat, furthermore proving as i said, you just want to try and be “right” and look “cool” for show, nobody cares son. Seriously, now go stalk your next program to whine and rant about, i hope you’re getting paid for this lol.
I don’t know, but you’re the one who took the time to. You now appear to be pulling ye olde desperate troll defense ‘lolz I was just kidding, hey look over there!’
You joined, realised it was a bad idea and are just now trying to save face. Jesus Christ at least own your mistakes.
Good luck with that.
So you deny writing this?
So it’s NOT a conspiracy to censor you? Hehehe. If it’s NOT a conspiracy to censor you, then what DID you meant by that?
This idiot keeps changing his or her name and trying to publish completely irrelevant commentary for the sole purpose of boosting his own ego. Between lying and changing his or her story umpteen times I can’t be bothered keeping up so his or her posts are just winding up in the spam bin.
They’re clearly not wanting to discuss AutoXTen, but rather just fill the commentary here with garbage.
As predicted, here we go again. An email just sent to me below. Note who 2 of the founders are.
…………
Here’s an up and coming launch of a very fast moneymaking opportunity!
Fast Profits Daily is a 2 x 3 cycling matrix program.
This program has just been announced by Founders Brent Robinson, Scott Chandler and Randal Williams.
Brent & Scott were one of the pioneers with a previous profitable company, and they made over $700,000.00 in just six months!
We’re all building our teams before Pre-Launch!
This way, we all can make the fast money right away!
Two startup plans: $50.00 or $250.00 one-time for the first board.
Initial announcement was to cycle $35,000.00 over and over again!
5 Matching Bonuses Plan!
Several payment plans: Credit cards, Alertpay, SolidTrustPay, Pay cards, Moneygrams, or Wires
Let me know if you want to be on the waiting list. That way I can send you my link as soon as I receive mine.
Remember, Timing and Positioning is everything in ground-floor opportunities!
Conference Call Times: 1:00pm & 9:00pm EST
Conference Call Number: 1-712-432-3973
Pin Number: 10000
Here’s the website under construction:
http://FastProfitsDaily.com
Well there you go, $700,000 in the initial cycle and then who knows after that.
Either way it was enough for them to pull the pin and start it all over again.
What really cracks me up is this:
If I read Troy Krause’s MLMHelpDesk properly, this “team” launched a whole bunch of failed cyclers. Of course they don’t tell you this, just “previously profitable company”.
Profitable for them, of course. Not profitable for members.
Sorry, this is obviously another pyramid scheme trying to generate buzz.
MLMHelpDesk… don’t you mean Troy Dooly?
@oz — yep, you’re right. Krause is one of those **** marketing “coaches” that tried to push TVI Express a while back. Sorry! Mea Culpa!
whatever complan it is if you do the business seriously and for your family you will be succeed. people comment negative because they dont like the good ideas and complan of autoxten.
@regie
You mean recruit people right? Seriousness has nothing to do with success in AutoXTen.
Or they just don’t like pyramid schemes in general.
Regie, imagine how serious 2 of the founders were about AXT … so much so they very quickly left the program. That’s a red flag right there.
If the founders are uncoordinated, and we continue to hear of members NOT BEING PAID, as they should … is that a good idea? Is it also a good idea to not follow the advice of MLM attorneys and make the system properly legal, as AXT have rejected? Is it a complaint that a pyramid scheme benefits a very few while ripping off the greater majority of the membership?
Yeah, it’s a legitimate complaint, but more so, it is the responsibility of those who have experience in the industry to advise those who take the time to do some due diligence.
After all, no one forces anyone to read these discussions, but if one is to participate CONSTRUCTIVELY, then addressing the issues directly would serve to advance the potential for making intelligent and informed decisions about which programs are worthwhile and which are not.
AXT’s model is NOT LEGAL in the US.
FTC vs. Koscot case 36 years ago made that clear… ANY sort of scheme where one gets paid for ONLY recruiting is an ILLEGAL PYRAMID SCHEME (no matter how many other compensation methods it has)
No amount of twisted logic will change that fact, including logical fallacies like “I get paid so it is legit.”
Here’s a MLM lawyer to explain it to you… Grimes and Reese PLC
Don’t kid yourself and try to justify your involvement as “networking” or “hard work”. Crime ain’t work.
All hilarious comment considering Jeff’s scheme collapsed in less than a month!!!!!!!!!