Italian OneCoin affiliates provided letter template demanding refund
The OneCoin affiliate investor pool is currently divided into two camps.
The first group of investors are those who believe the points in their backoffice are actual money.
Since inception, all OneCoin affiliates have been able to do with their points is transfer them to other affiliates.
Under the guise of trade with third-party merchants, in reality this is how OneCoin’s DealShaker platform works.
The second group of investors realize they’ve been had but don’t have an out.
OneCoin is a shady enterprise run by individuals who spend most of their time in hiding.
OneCoin support don’t honor refund requests because they know the backoffice points are worthless.
In Italy, where OneCoin has been banned for being a pyramid scheme and fined, consumer protection organizations are working to provide Italian victims of OneCoin with a solution.
Rather than clear its name, upon being banned and fined OneCoin simply abandoned Italy.
This left over 51,000 Italian OneCoin affiliates in the lurch.
The Consumer’s Center for South Tyrol (Vzs), who along with the European Consumer Center filed complaints against OneCoin with authorities in 2016, has drafted a letter it is making available to Italian OneCoin affiliates.
The purpose of the letter is simple, to demand OneCoin refund Italian affiliate victims of the scheme.
“It is time for measures to prevent the emergence of such pyramidal systems in the future,” says Vzs Managing Director Walther Andreaus.
“This is the reason why we have created a sample letter for consumers, which is required by One Network Services LTD to return the invested sums.
We can not accept that a few will enrich themselves at the expense of many. “
Whether OneCoin will honor Italian affiliate refunds remains to be seen. Thus far the company hasn’t even publicly acknowledged it was deemed a pyramid scheme and fined.
Monika Nardo, Coordinator of the ECC has revealed the agency is attempting to spread awareness of OneCoin throughout Europe.
One Life Network LTD’s case is in Bulgaria, so we will ask the colleagues from the European Consumer Center for help and we will report the case to the competent European authorities.
Vzs meanwhile are hoping Italy’s Public Prosecutors open a criminal case against the company.
“We need reports from consumers and the related documents, in order to possibly be able to inform the responsible public prosecutors,” explains Andreaus.
“If funds can be secured, it is certainly better to stand up for his rights than to stand idly.”
Stay tuned…
People who have been lied to by the Ponzi pumpers need to start coming forward and filing complaints in their respective countries, to get the ball rolling. Govt officials aren’t going to go out of their way, unless prompted by enough complaining victims.
Ty, I could not agree more, but sadly too many OC members do not see themselves as victims of a crime.
Hopefully one of the major players that has recently left OneCoin will come clean and tell their downlines to file complaints.
Otherwise, OC will keep merrily rolling along ignoring all the criminal investigations, fines as only against rogue IMA’s and not OC and keep pimping their wares.
@Lynn ONECOIN TURKEYS NOT YET ON DEALSHAKER
Don’t think any of them will tell their downlines to file complaints.
TURKEYS DON’T SHOOT THEMSELVES-the tendency is just to fade away after some announcement about future direction etc. The answer is probably to offer some immunity and I have sent you a note on my nomination. let us see what we can develop such a strategy?
BTW there is a butcher in Limerick who has become a merchant here in Ireland so let him know your Christmas orders. michaeloloughlinbutchers.ie
wtf is this? onecoinico.com
Pressure from investors so they are starting ICO a year early? đ
Probably someone want to have his share from one life affiliates đ
Hahaha @Xposes post.
I told you all this would happen! These scammers are too easy to predict.
TOKEN MILLIONAIRES?
They are either responding to investors pressure or/and are bringing everything forward so it can collapse. i imagine round one will be some kind of transfer option for the share Vouchers to be morphed into equally worthless ICO tokens.
I don’t imagine a white paper will be published in 3 weeks so I imagine Round One ( whatever that is –how many rounds -123 billion? will be for) the current Affilaites who have share options as vouchers.
Whilst they are equally worthless will be geared to quell the riots.
i wonder if there will be another split or outright doubling of all your current Coins which is what happened last year when capitilisation was increased 60 fold.
Of course the value of the coin may also magically jump as these actions are more and more catastrophic.
Be careful as this may not be true at all and just to disarm the haters–I can’t yet see any announcement on their official websiste.
THIS YEAR’S GALA DINNER IN LISBON SHOULD BE LIKE A WAKE–ALL YOU SCAMMERS SHOULD GET THERE AND FIND OUT WHAT IS HAPPENING -IF ANYBODY KNOWS–maybe Kari.
Time will tell what this is all about but my instincts tell me they have got too greedy again as is there habit in October(Remember last years growth of Coins from 2.3 Billion to 123 Billion without loss of value).
Where on earth are they going to line up a secondary market to trade the tokens -they have told us time and time again of the complexities and the time it would take.
Maybe they will use xcoinx as a holding platform and how credible will that be after all the spiders webs are cleared out!
And who will be in round one -the early adopters or the early jumpers-eg Pehr,Juha who have left but still there having phone calls with their favoured ones . Watch your back Ruja -particularly at Lisbon –or are you sending Arens and Wahlross again -That will metaphorically raise the roof and the earth will move!!
More disasters and the tsunami of OneCoiners looking to cash out will be “mindblowing” -that is after all what Zafar and the other UK scammers wanted from Kari after his recent London weekend. BE CAREFUL FOR WHAT YOU ASK FOR!!
You need to get your template letters together and present them on stage in Lisbon –Happy Mondays (WITH OR WITHOUT YOU)
Anyone got a good English translation of the Italian Template letter confronting the uplines and seeking repayments–see main article above.
The letter is in German. Here you go:
@Scamram
THANKS FOR THAT AND THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION IS BELOW AND i HAVE SENT IT TO THE iRISH ,BRITISH AND PORTUGUESE AUTHORITIES
try the same for your jurisdictions and remind them of their remit to oprevent scams and not just observe them
It very well could be Ruja’s exit strategy.
It remains to be seen if this will really happen, but if it does, the members of OneCoin are going to learn a very expensive “education.”
SOME IMPORTANT QUESTIONS WHICH WILL NOT BE ANSWERED DIRECTLY????
A couple of the Affiliates here have been in touch and have raised questions about this earlier post @12 which was inevitable. Apart from the reason to be given etc if there is truth in this;
1. how on earth can a secondary market be lined up to buy the ICO tokens within 3 weeks as we were advised that the ICo/ IPo would be delayed until end of 2018 because it was very complex
2. If there are rounds to be offered what are the criteria for each round âdiamonds first ,share vouchers first at what exchange rate or who knows how (dutch auctions)
3. Will xcoinx be used as a holding platform for these tokens and does it still exist after a year of dormancy
4. Where and when will the White Paper be published explaining when the coins will actually be publically tradeable or is this just another holding gesture?
5. How does the Lisbon Conference (which John appears to be involved in?) fit into this promotional need at such short notice.
Finally, I wish to send these questions /comments to other Affiliates on foot of the Satisfaction Survey which is now circulated. Do you want (any of you) to input any comments etc to the follow up.
Note: John BARRETT is the Irish Pioneer who fled to Portugal earlier this year and is trying to recruit from Portugal and will undoubtedly be smooching at the Lisbon event.
Kari is grounded as he needs an operation so may not be there anyway— to calm him down?
Italian template letter
It will be interesting to determine what the Italian Authorities will recommend as the next step against OneCoin in Bulgaria and also for the locals in Italy.
Many of the local uplines will simply ignore the letter but should if they have any sense at all refer the matter up by sending the immediate upline the same letter -saying you convinced me etc and also a copy to the Pioneers in the Country -whoever he or she is.
I do not know whether there is a particular Pioneer who was /is responsible for the launch in Italy eg one of the Steinkellers but he or she should also be put in the firing line and copied?
Who was the European Ambassador who opened it up in early 2015 in Italy before the Steinkellers arrive on the scene.
I hope the Italian authorities take collective action rather than leave individual Affiliates to take civil actions.
This would mean that the Authority would act as the hub and they can draw out the supervisory structures and hit the big boys -possibly with immunity for some of the low lying players who were just duped?
LET US KNOW DEVELOPMENTS AS THESE EMERGE AS THE ITALIANS SEEM WELL AHEAD IN COMPARISON TO THE UK.
GET WELL SOON— KARI WE WANT YOU IN LISBON EVEN IF YOUR EGO HAS TO BE EXCISED IN THE MEANTIME–YOU ARE DESPERATELY NEEDED BACK IN THE UK WHERE ZAHAR AND HIS TRAVELLING COMPANIONS WHO WENT TO SOFIA (and who know the real truth) HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO STOP THE PRESSURE
Yasir Mirza officially announced today that he’s left OneLife. Appears that he, for sure, and POSSIBLY Udo Deppisch (unconfirmed) have gone to First Coin.
ed ludbrook who was once on the onecoin corporate team as an employee has also announced on sept 20th, 2017:
ludbrook took all of an year to announce he has left onecoin. i guess its better to keep mum and keep people confused, rather than have downline investors ask for their money back.
then, one year later just casually slip the truth in – oh that onecoin thingie? left it an year ago! move along now!
They’re probably getting them to sign NDAs (Pablo Munoz and anyone else who’s disappeared too).
Not that an NDA issued by a Ponzi scheme is worth crap, but they’re likely to uphold them seeing as OneCoin’s backers know who they are and where they live.
Funny how Ed “left Onecoin (as a consultant) in September 29, 2016,” because some distinctly bearing his resemblance and coincidentally his same name seems to have published a video in May 2017, as recorded on April 27, 2017 in which he and the 4th (non)SteinKeller brother/ stay-behind recorded a video promoting/ consulting new recruits about Onecoin/ OneLife Compensation Plan some 7months after his “departure,” as evidenced HERE: youtu.be/ZMHiF8Bly_E
Funny thing is that while Ed Ludbrook’s Facebook page may support his statement, on the surface, numerous YouTube videos don’t.
Furthermore, his LinkedIn also gives the portrayal of a clean break ….if not only to support his dive into …his newest “ICO marketing company.”
I’m sure Satoshi Nakamoto is pulling her hair out at this point …like Albert Einstein watching the first atomic bomb blast which his own ground-breaking work inadvertently contributed to :/
Get Ludbrooke
i seem to recall Ed Lawbreak advising us of his “strategic” view of the election of the DONALD on OneCoin. And wasn’t it Ed who was videod say the cons (SORRY COINS) have no value
We will post the links here and in the meantime to clear up “the confusion” what were you doing s it was some considerable time before you announced your new project . There is no confusion Ed you are a serial scammer—This is what i wrote to you in June 2017
I see you left /were demoted from OneCoin on 1st I October 2016 when the new blockchain was operational âthat was step too far ahead even from your place of ineptitude and ignorance.
From Day 1 I told you that you were a charlatan and since October 2016 you appear to have been on facebook etc whilst still on garden leave presumably collecting fees . What a despicable person you are and an awful fraud
I DO HOPE YOU END UP IN JAIL .
You were the head of education after all and that is what OneCoin purports to sell ânot coins or investments
You are and will always be a disgrace
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Trash
We were not confused . THE NEW ZEALAND AUTHORITIES -OR WHEREVER YOU ARE -SHOULD CHECK YOUR VAT ACCOUNTS
I sent Ruja and Dilkinska a copy of the above asking why a new Education Officer had not been recruited /announced and they did not reply although I do recall a new Trainer soon to be unveiled was announced at Macau this year-WONDER WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT?
LAWBREAK’S ATTENTION TO DETAIL? Have YOU been ruja-ed
This is what I wrote to Ed in MARCH 2017 WHEN HE WAS TILL USING HIS OneCoin address;
Ed
I have been reviewing the 5 sets of Financial Education provided up to Tycoon level with OneCoin and can find no mention whatsoever of OneCoin in any of the literature which is highly plagiarised and copied and pasted.
What are the learning outcomes for these materials and the teaching objectives which you have maintained since your arrival with the competency approach you are known for?
Send me any updates and I Will happily review these as well âparticularly for the more costly packages now on offer .
Regards
xxxxxanon -not kisses!)
Interestingly enough the only mention of a recommended COIN is BigCoin which was Ruja’s failed IPO a year or so before opening up this venture!!!!
waht is the Kiwi .Bulgarian for suckered –ruja-ed
Ed lawbreak -still a cliche!!!!
Have a look at Ludbrooke’s facebook page for 2017 http://www.facebook.com/edludbrook88/
and it is peppered with all kinds of cliches, -typical from one of the leading “experts” in the same but not in cryptocurrency.
Not an innovator ,not an early adopter but a pony trickster.
So if he has left OneCoin why is he still promoting it -his lines are still creating referral commission,he is on a retainer or just lying?
He was totally incompetent on stage explaining the blockchain (think it was Melbourne but bit spoiled for choice on that particular front!). However,do remember one of his inaugural acts in SwedEn when anyone who failed to buy in was going to be called one of the”Stupid Svens”. These scammers seem to confuse due diligence with idiocy–maybe he was understudying Peter Shaw on that particular front.
You are not forgotten Ludbrooke and we look forward to your lies putting you in clink
One of your haters-and proud of it ==good call
I think the mystery what the “ICO round one” is starting to become more clear.
Here you can see the new âŹ55 555 ICO package introduced by Simon Lee.. So it seems the “ICO round one” is a new high priced package, called ICO. đ
https://i.imgur.com/xRwlUxk.png
https://i.imgur.com/UXBte7X.png
YouTube video:
(Ozedit: video 404 as of March 2020)
So the “ICO” is just a new investment level… which has nothing to do with an actual ICO.
I know they’re being deliberately confusing, but why?
This is Ruja were talking about, and nothing she does makes any sense other than to see how many different schemes she can come up with to steal more money from more people.
I am surprised she isn’t going to use this ICO next month to disappear before any more countries could file charges and arrest more OC members.
Actually glad to see she isn’t and there is hope that other government agencies will go after OC and Ruja and gang.
It’s typical cult behavior. They are redefining everything, so any conversation with them you have to narrow down on the definition of every term first. It’s standard thought control technique.
ICO we don’t know!
It should all become clear in Lisbon(?) when the One coiners have to explain which will be impossible.
Make sure you ask the questions and in the meantime defectors are increasing.
CAN ANYONE POST THE ORGANISATION TREE FOR THE RECORD BEFORE IT COLLAPSES?
Has Ruja herself still remained silent about the IPO to ICO change? Or has anyone else in the official OneLife/Onecoin leadership provided clear explanation for the whole issue, why the sudden chage of strategy and what it means for those who already invested in the old IPO promise (got OFCs, etc.)?
Strange that “ICO round one” packages just pop up in Vietnam out of the blue or that the people like “Dr” Zafar with his third world posse are the face of the whole strategy change with their improvised cell phone videos…
Is it called disinformation or just incompetence.
Maybe Ruja will now out the local vietnamese as bad boys and extend the deadline . It is very unlikely that any prospectus can be got together in 3 weeks and apart from pressure from the crowd what advantage does it confer on the continuation of the money stream—(or has it totally dried up?)
Strange days indeed.
Zafar and his room mates appear clueless and could not distinguish a strategy from a meeting with Pierre in an empty room?
Something bizarre.
@cryptokill
We have a few fairly extensive ones which just need to be merged. Will share personally later this week đ
Support -my arse
This is what the support desk responded this morning following 4 days consideration and the alleged ICO is about 3 weeks away–They are not even communicating within their own head office.
If i were an employee there I would resign pretty quickly as there will be very easy to find records about each of you -for the police or for the mafia–even in Bulgaria -Ruja will not be in the country to “support” you!
Thank you for contacting our Support Team.
Please note that more information regarding the ICO will be available soon, so we kindly ask you to follow our official communication channels and newsletter for updates on the subject
Nothing new in OL Newsletter this week.
mailchi.mp/41ecd3da0b83/jxkey6m9c9-701069?e=a0e0b3336a
@Moi
Certainly nothing about the Crisis driven ICO— see above comments.
Two interesting points though:
1 Udo Deppisch article which read like his death obituary in a newspaper -kind of congratulatory and all about what he HAS done. I think this may reinforce Tim Tayshun’s comment that Udo has had left so if anyone has further info just post here.
2 the Onemillioshop party in Poland has been reported to the authorities there so hopefully they will be able to boogie with t the scammers.
That will be a social dilemma for the Polish OneCoiners who will have to decide whether they want to also go to the Lisbon Gala night on the Friday in Portugal and get yet more leadership training on the Saturday –they could of course get Udo’s book on Dealshaker -if he takes OneCoins –or maybe that will be offered with the new packages to be announced in Mid October.
Interesting how Udo’ possible withdrawAl is much different to Yasir’s which has not been commented on and indeed Pehr Karlsson’s.
Yasir has publicly indicated he has moved onto another coin so would have to leave whilst Pehr appears to have been told to shut up (but he hasn’t even confirmed he has left yet) whilst Udo gets a mention of glory. I am suspicious enough of this lot that I think Udo has struck a deal.
Any thoughts?
@cryptokill
This still is not wholly confirmed. A few months ago he did the annual “Gumball Rally” without a single Onecoin/ OLN sticker on his racecar.
He promptly went silent about OC/OLN for quite a stretch and has even been elusive since (although he has resurfaced sparingly at at least one event in the past couple months. Maybe 2. Nothing like before though).
With the disappearance and abandonment of/ by so many former Top Leaders, This is definitely a logical (although unsubstantiated) deduction.
When it becomes obvious that there are major cracks and tumbling pillars eroding the structure, greasing some palms of the few bigger guys reluctantly remaining might be the only strategy to keep the roof from totally caving in right now.
INTERESTING TIMES IN THE NEXT MONTH FOR ONECOIN
It seems to me that this is actually finished but while it has all the symptoms of death it is still on artificial resuscitation from the various local pumping stations still open. Time to expire in the next month?
Seems that my posts at Igor’s blog got cryptonite’s sensibilities all in a twist and posted this, and I quote:
Don’t you just love the threats from someone who I have not defamed suddenly thinks because he is in OneCoin that this translates to my defaming him, when all I have done is post the facts on a blog about OneCoin.
Talked to federal judges my assets.
^^ Those are the ramblings of a Ponzi scammer whose current scam is coming to an end.
What a bubble-world they live in.
Anyone worried about the whereabouts of Dr. Ruja?
Maybe “behind” somewhere – or hatching a new “coin”?
we have to talk about Kevin -no Igor first!
The cess pit that is OneCoin is starting to bubble so watch your back guys as there are plenty of deranged and soon to very annoyed Affiliates out there. In fact it appears to be a bit of a struggle to communicate with these reprobates and not to feel tainted by them.
Keep talking to your ex supreme Court judge and remind him you are not supposed to have account in US or is he one of your virtual friends?
Get help -maybe there are coinsellers (sorry counsellors) on Dealshaker— but quickly
EagleOne wrote:
ANSWER BY Igor Krnic:
Thanks Igor I will let the authoriteis know.
ken labine has posted a loooong video which he claims is his last ever response to onecoin critics:
labines speech is almost like a eulogy tracking how he has fought behindmlm’s ‘lies’ over the last three years. about how he started posting videos only to help friends and family, but his audience just burst through his FB walls! almost sounds like he’s trying to absolve himself for recording and posting his onecoin promotion videos!
with onecoin’s purported public listing a whole year away, why is labine bowing out from being ‘vocal’ about his support for onecoin, so early? i think he realizes its game over and the time has come to stage the ‘slow fade out’.
he admits that onecoin could end up [useless] like hundreds of other cryptocoins or succeed, and nothing is guaranteed. but, that is not what he was saying all these years when he was selling onecoin packages? he was all – we are going to be worth one gazillion euros, yo!
he also hints that after all, onecoin packages cant be sold forever, as they are a limited time opportunity, so leaders are moving to other things and going ‘quiet’. he says he will never be involved with any other crypto except onecoin.
but then, towards the end of the video he says he’s ‘ready to move forward’ and he wants his own ‘rocket ship’. he says something about not wanting another coin like other people are doing, but he’s ready to ‘explode’.
IMO, ^^ sounds like labine will clamber on to some non-crypto ponzi pyramid scam in the near future, while ‘retaining his faith and belief’ in onecoin, so that his downline investors dont tear him apart limb to limb.
oct, 2018, is a longa longa time away, and he’ll probably post a video then about how people stay stuck in the past and wont move forward because they’re such haterzz and losers!
all in all, this ‘last’ video sounds like the ken labine farewell song, scrambled between some incoherent rambling nonsense.
you can tell he’s nervous and looking for absolution, because he’s dragged some woman called lianne onto his video, and he’s literally grabbing her by the collar demanding validation of everything he says – right lianne? you know what i’m saying lianne? the poor badgered woman just manages to go – yes! right! uh huh!
at the end he also gets her to thank him for all he’s done, and say she wont be mad at him for stopping his vocal support of onecoin against critics!
so, ken labine patted himself on his back for promoting a ponzi, hinted he’s moving along from onecoin, and via his wingwoman lianne tutored his investors on how to react to his speech!
uh, have to say it, pat on My back for sitting through labines deranged nonsense!
How many times has Labine “quit” now? Four… five?
Other than a source of amusement, he’s been irrelevant for over six months now.
If one could sum up Labine’s one hour forty minute long video in one sentence, it would be “Don’t pay attention to the leaders fleeing OneCoin, look over here!”
I know so well the Ponzi scheme artist hiding behind a false character portraying his belief in God. Using non-profit, working woman, children, healthcare, elderly, green living, and anything that makes them look good, but only a cover behind many masks.
When one destroys his own family by a century of total deceptions, watch out, will use anyone and everyone for their own advantage.
MUNITY IN ONECOIN?
Don’t think that Labine is going to get a congratulatory obituary from OneCoin as Udo has. Reinforces my belief that Udo has done a special deal so we will see what emerges.
Lowliers like Yasir and Labine are foot soldiers who eventually became Corporals -at best.
Ludbrooke,you may recall,saw himself as the strategist back in heaqduarters-pontificating about the Trump and OneCoin whilst the suicide squads went out and did the no man’s land. Muck and bullets everywhere from now on.
But to continue the analogy all you can do now is try and keep your heads down–problem is ll the privates will be out to get you .. Start with your local version of the Italian Template letter and get it sent before Lisbon where the Leaders can be interrogated. MUTINY
With the OneCoin MLMing Ponzi scheme winding down, anyone have an inclination what will be the next “big” scam theme?
Is there some new technology buzzword that the crooks can run with? 3-D printing, Forex trading, or is that old news already?
Thoughts?
After what, seven and a half years now? I’m finding my workload is easing up. Well, at least as far as having to wade knee-deep day in day out in financial fraud goes.
The closure of TalkGold and MoneyMakerGroup were two of the last nails in the coffin.
Private Facebook/WhatsApp groups don’t have the exposure they had, so once the current population dries up it’s a limited pool of victims. What is replaced won’t keep up with those who bow out, and I believe hasn’t been for some time.
I don’t know if I can ever accurately measure what impact BehindMLM has had on the MLM underbelly, but it’s definitely been on the decline this past year or so.
USI-Tech is showing promise but Trump’s SEC hasn’t had a major bust yet so who knows.
Crypto fraud is dominated by OneCoin with a ton of lesser players surrounding it. Outside of that there’s currently no epic sized MLM scams operating that I’m aware of.
I’m actually looking forward to clearing the backlog of “traditional” company review requests I’ve accumulated over the years. But who knows what the future holds.
I suppose as long as there’s an MLM industry to cover there’ll always be a BehindMLM.
How about ‘virtual hydroponics’?
Oh and for what it’s worth, IMO if authorities in Bulgaria/Dubai/somewhere don’t make arrests by the end of the year, OneCoin will go the route of a collapse.
We might hear news of criminal action years after the fact, by which point it will of course be hopelessly too late for their victims.
@Oz (46)
Almost sounds like you are moving on as well (joke for the OneCoiners who will declare this to the believers).
You may be interested to know that Nobel of Peace Prize fame gave these prizes as his legacy because his obituary was published incorrectly when he was till very much alive and he decided that the last thing he wanted to be known as was the inventor of dynamite (possibly gelignite)!!! HENCE THE PRIZES AND HIS NEW LEGACY.
Wonder whether that is the purpose of the of Rujaâs OneWorld Foundation and her efforts to provide free financial education for childrenâthe adventures of Super Ted (of course it was plagiarised!!!â- the author has been advised together with Super Tedâs publishers
All scams are examples of Hyperveracity âto good to be true,
I can only cover news. Even that aspect of OneCoin is slowing down, leading me to believe it’s going to go the collapse route over a regulatory shut down.
A lot of people will learn a hard lesson (or not), but by and large it currently appears Ruja and the mob are going to get away with it.
BehindMLM has been around covering scams for years before OneCoin showed up.
Whilst I hope that the duped do not suffer too much I hope that this will teach them a lesson they will never forget . The issue is will the scammers be arrested and we would all call on the Investigators to pull their fingers out so for the duped put your complaints in.
Do you seriously believe you will make get your original investment back yet alone the thousands of Euros you were led to believe when you bought your cheap irrelevant educational material.
The mass of us were simply greedy and got fooled but the extremes will commit suicide whilst the Leaders will drive their Supercars and laugh at their good times -Happy Mondays.
After all that ridiculously expensive (mis-)”education,” since March 2015 I’ve never once spoken to any OneCULT member who understood anything about cryptocurrency OR blockchain.
COMPARE belief in invisible pink unicorn in a box (Onecoin’s 3yr fictitious blockchainS and OC figurehead)
“We decide what the philosophy of cryptocurrency is.” – Dr. (Sic) Ruja Ignatova (*2ĂBWotY, *Forbes cover, *2bl PhD, *200+ IQ, *1st woman on the moon/ 1st to wear roller skates while scaling Everest, etc)
Vs.
What you need to believe in is what you can see… If you see me as your friend, I’ll be your friend. If you see me as your father, I’ll be your father, for those of you that don’t have a father… If you see me as your savior, I’ll be your savior. If you see me as your God, I’ll be your God.” – Jim Jones (Suicide Cult Leader)
I don’t think that cryptonite is going to like my response.
But is showing the desperation of the ONers as deadline after deadline keeps being missed, and the list of countries issuing warnings and the number of criminal investigations keep increasing each passing month.
I said almost a year ago that Ruja would run with the money before she would allow herself to be charged, have to defend herself in court, as well as all the other members of the management team.
All the major promoters are the first out long before the Ponzi collapses. They have to or it ruins their ability to recruit for their next Ponzi de Jour.
They know that people have short memories, and then they can trout out the old “I was duped like everyone else, I was lied to like you, I would never participate in an illegal program, yada, yada, yada,” so come join me in my new venture and I assure you this is the real deal. Because if you do you’ll recover all you lost in OC and earn even more.
And Ruja and crew will trot out OC failed because of all the ‘haters’ that lied about OC. It’s all the members fault because they stopped recruiting more people into OC as they believed the ‘haters lies.’
This is usually how the mantra goes. The only question now is how much longer before Ruja pulls the plug? End of October, end of November, or after the first of the new year? I think the answer lies in how many more countries actually do what Italy, Germany, India and China have done.
I certainly hope so! If someone comes to me and asks if MLM business âXâ is worth it, I tell him/her to do search on this site.
Most likely I will do one âBehindMLM searchâ of my own just in case the person does not do that him/herself.
Exactly one year ago, my friend called me to tell me about One Coin. He was raising a very large sum of money from investors to invest in the highest package, saying that there would be 7 splits.
As I asked him questions (hoping this was a real opportunity), I quickly sensed he had been duped into a Ponzi scheme. And I had never even heard of crypto-currencies!
There was something about the language he used. That wknd, I watched the YouTube videos he provided… and they had all the markings of pyramid recruits (2 star hotel meeting room-hype-train speeches)… I’ve been there before, unfortunately.
I had a dream a few nights later that I saw a snake in a friend’s yard while at his house. It was dangerous and I wouldn’t take my eyes off of it while I told my friends to get something to kill it.
They showed no urgency or understanding of it’s danger, as they fumbled around looking for a tool. I looked up for them and then back toward the grass; the snake had quickly slithered to the neighbors yard.
When I identified where it was, it dissolved like liquid into the grass…and completely disappeared.
I knew that dream was a sign from God to stay away from a deceptive situation, even when close friends (wealthy ones) could not see the danger behind the “opportunity.”
I want to say thanks to Oz for behindmlm and all your diligence to expose wicked schemes. I’ve learned so much from you, along with many other commenters (Tim Curry, Otto, etc.).
Thank you all for educating others. 1 year later, I have a better grasp on crypto-markets and have lightly invested in some. 1 year has flown by.
I guess I wanted to share my experience and say thank you to everyone. You helped save me a huge loss and frustration and Tim Curry helped inspire me to study legitimate crypto. Keep up the great and inspired work, everyone!
No worries mate. Glad you got something out what we do here.
Can you believe this : businessforhome.org/2017/09/ilenia-turelli-from-italy-achieves-diamond-rank-at-onelife/
After all what is known and happening (or not ?) in Italy they keep promoting new Italian Diamonds.
They know now where to address themselves to recuperate money. This lady and Andrea Cimbala besides the Steinkeller brothers might be a great start!
@Scambuster
make this known to the Italian Authorities =OneCoin is like Cholera -eradicated but comes back with a different strain.
Good news is that despite the Italian Hairdresser’s love of technology you don’t need that in OneCoin-as it is all laid on for you.
How do you actually mine Ilenia and why the video loop of the blockchain -cretina.
Of course we can believe businessforhome, and anyone else touting Italian IMA’s no matter what level they achieve.
Remember, the OC story line is that: this action taken by the Italians was against “Rogue” IMA’s not OC; OC has not been banned in Italy; and OneCoin Network Services is a third party vendor and not part of OC. They also made this same claim in Germany.
Hopefully the Italian authorities are aware of the continued activity of OC affiliates and will take action against them. One of the quickest ways to make that happen is to inform the Italian authorities with all the details.
If you look at the facebookpages of Cimbala and co. you will see that they are promoting Onecoin in Greece, Romania and the Balcans. No hint of recent onecoin events in Italy. Maybe there are some activities in Italy, but they are hidden. Hopefully not good enough for the authorities.
@Santa Maria
I have advised the Italian Authorities regarding the lady Hairdresser and have suggested they arrange for her to be questioned and arrested if she goes to Lisbon to get her diamond award –silly girl-should have stuck to blowing!!!
Perhaps you might let the authorities know in Greece etc regarding the Cimbalae -they look despicable-not that impressions are everything. It certainly wasn’t when Ruja appeared before her cosmetic surgery -do they do that on Dealshaker
I really donât know why Iâm still here. I mean Iâm in the US and part of OC for 18 months.
Ive learned that most people donât have a clue about OC or even cryptocurrency, including the commentators on this site.
The opportunity to be part of the MLM structure is almost gone and has been now for a while in the US. I can see by the lack of articles the parasites arenât making as much money either and are moving on.
I donât know the life of scams but over 99% of Ponzis last no more than 6 months and they always get bigger and bigger as the owners try to squeeze as much as possible out of it.
OL and OC were set up in a way where one could get started in crypto with no equipment and zero money in, nothing I had seen before nor since.
You can say I donât know much about the creation of cryptos and you would be correct but almost nobody who has created a popular crypto has a clue about economics, something that drew me to Ruja.
Even if it does turn out to be a scam still, her vision and system was genius and should be duplicated if possible. Iâm not after anyone to join OL because the opportunity for most people reading this is over, you missed out!
Iâm thankful many of my friends and family saw the opportunity to learn and earn. Itâs been quite a journey pioneering a brand new way of life.
Remember it pays more to be positive about something you believe in than a thousand somethings you donât believe in.
US OneCoin scammers registered shell corporations offshore and continued to scam people.
Ponzi points aren’t a cryptocurrency. OneCoin never had anything to do with cryptocurrency.
OneCoin has been a Ponzi scam since day 1. There’s nothing genius about it, convince a bunch of gullible idiots to invest and steal their money.
Charles Ponzi started it in the 1920s. Ruja is just imitating the thousands of scammers that came before her.
From the sounds of it you made some money on the recruitment end, and are a little bitter it’s drying up.
Best of luck scamming people in whatever OneCoin clone you wind up migrating to.
ECONOMICS for Orondo
In the real world of supply and demand with limited supply (2.1 Billion Coin)and aggressive demand through MLM the price goes up.
Ruja increases supply 60 fold and the price still goes up and now that the scheme is collapsing the price still goes up–Bizarre
3 million members and not10 million . 50 thousand merchants and not 1 million , ICO and not IPO. The only thing increasing is the desperate promotional hype and the notional value of the Coin.
Cos it is a sham!!!
And what do you mean people didn’t need to put money in– about 4 billion has gone in already and 123 Bilion coins at projected 25 Euros for year end is a third of a trillion Euros . As you say people don’t understand economics but they understand greed ,deceit and you have been trading for 18 months in US where OC is NOT legal –SO YOU SOUND ACTIVE AND OFFSHORE.
AND YOU SUGGEST FAKE PSYCHOLOGY WHILE YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS EARN AND LEARN
I don’t call this genius I call it deceit
RE: “3 million members and not 10 million”
One of the biggest shockers to OneCoinists will be that their Cult had less than even 1 million alleged total members (now victims). If just 5% of alleged member accounts used Facebook, the 2 “Official” Onecoin/ OLN FB pages “followers” would double. Lol.
Statistically, about 1/4 of the WORLD (25%) is estimated to use Facebook at least 1x per month.
For only ~2.5% of Onecoin/OLN alleged members, who are invested in or participate in the Onecoin scheme to even “like” or “follow” these official FB pages does not mathematically, statistically or logically support Onecoin/ OLN’s own membership claims of such widespread exposure.
Well, one thing is for sure. OneCoin and OneLife websites are tanking on Alexa. Seems the bloom has come off the pumpkin.
There is no doubt all the regulatory actions are having an effect on recruiting. But of course OC/OL members will never admit it.
well, step one was ken labine retiring from taking on onecoin critics via longass video postings.
step two is he’s split up his FB presence and is not promoting onecoin on his personal page anymore. he’s started a different FB page and has informed his followers that they need to go there for onecoin news.
step three is he’s not that gungho about his new onecoin page. he’s actually allowing negative comments and his moderation skills seem to have swiftly deteriorated!
eg’s:
under a post advertising apartments for sale in onecoins:
another post about the possible scam behind the onemilllion club posted on sept 30th:
facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=137685660303387&set=p.137685660303387&type=3&theater
labine’s actively posting on his personal FB page, but seems to have ‘retired’ from taking on onecoin critics on FB too?!
anyways, step four will probably be news about him clambering on to a new ponzi ‘rocket ship’!
Just because you haven’t seen it elsewhere doesn’t make it unique. OneCoin itself is a clone of a clone and probably the majority of new scams are crypto-based.
Let’s see what Ruja’s economic “expertise” looks like. The “finite” 2.1bn supply instantly turning into 120bn without a change in the price, the ~7k tablet, price suddenly increases multiple times without any demand and plentiful supply, everyone wants to sell and the price continues rising, etc.
They’re not even pretending to be legitimate for anyone who isn’t gullible or naive. What this does is separates the wheat from the chaff leaving OneCoin free to rinse them dry rather like the Nigerian 419 scams.
There’s no ingenuity about it. It’s simply preying on greedy, uninformed and gullible folk and has been repeated countless times. The “product” or space may change, but the methods are pretty similar.
Ruja is not a genius
She does not have an IQ of 200 (it stops at bout 165) , doesn’t understand economics and pricing (123 billion coins and no reduction in price).
She doesn’t know that 80 % of 2.1 billion is far achieved with no payouts and is just a criminal.
Please turn up in Lisbon and face a lot of music along with your European ambassadors. Looks as if Christmas may certainly be late this year and may not arrive at all
Or more đ
From FB:
@Orondo 12
I IMAGINE YOU GET IT -Thanks Anon. And where is my Aurum gold
Still an other OL Newsletter
mailchi.mp/56d3a3721134/jxkey6m9c9-701073?e=a0e0b3336a
So, Wahlroos is recovered just in time for Lisbon.Well just imagine.
@Moi
Can you please post the reference /link to Wahlross’s recovery and potential attendance at Lisbon on this site please . Thanks
All this promotional activity -double splits ,audited educational material .revised packages and this has got to be the most classic example of institutional denial and terminal tail end scamming.
cryptokill.Do you really believe in his operation just before India?
It is “I” who says hes recovered just in time for Lisbon. Well log in to his fb you’ll see he’s ready…lol.
@Moi
Please don’t speculate as I do not wish to report opportunities to the authorities if they are not substantiated.
We all have a common interest in hastening the end of this scam and the arrest etc of the main players. The authorities and other OC’ers will all say FAKE NEWS.
I can see nothing on his facebook page other than the Polish onemillonshop evening for this coming Friday. Whichever he goes to he will not be in two places on the same night.
His choice is likely to be dependant upon how safe he feels-maybe he will have night in in Estonia or spend a few OneCoins in his local pizza bar–LOL!
See you all in Lisbon – Portugal!!!
I see that his facebook page has now caught up with you. THANKS AND APOLOGIES FOR MY OWN HASTY COMMENTS.
Latest video from OC/OL:
NOLINK://youtu.be/PxtKdWQ-DdQ
You don’t know, but you made a pronouncement ANYWAY? Tsk tsk tsk.
The internet HYIP ponzi can last only a month or two. Bernie Madoff’s scam lasted ten years. Big ones like Zeek Rewards or TelexFree lasted several years. And OneCoin is a big one.
Your “six months” figure is basically pulled out of thin air.
Latest from Joby Boughey:
NOLINK://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGvGlP-20uA
muhammad zafar was supposed to hold a onecoin training event in london on 30th sept, 2017.
instead, on sept 30th, he was sitting on a poorly lighted lawn of a farmhouse he SAYS is in lahore pakistan.
holding a laptop in his hand at this undisclosed location, he was beseeching pakistani and indian onecoin affiliates to buy more power packs.
he said haters and loose nuts call onecoin a scam but hey, dealshaker proves onecoin is completely legit.
soooo, why didn’t muhammad zafar book a bigass convention center in lahore pakistan to promote onecoin?
why is he hiding on some dark lawn in pakistan [or is it dubai?] selling onecoin investments like a drugpeddler or arms dealer?
what happened to the 30th sept london event? not too many fresh recruits showing interest there anymore?
facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155639074873771&set=a.10150827067853771.431699.763208770&type=3&theater
facebook.com/DrZafarOfficial/videos/1656373311103974/?fref=mentions&pnref=story
with zafar having to go so underground like this, to still make some money off onecoin, it wont be long before he makes a run from the onecoin crashsite.
Even by the base standards of OneCoin the Lahore video is really pathetic and presumably in Islam this particular Mohammed is not going to Heaven –Birmingham will be as good as it gets.
All you marginalised believers need to make your peace with whatever or whoever you believe in(and that does not include Ruja) and report Zafar to the earthly authorities. Inshallah.
lisbon not bon!
Tonight is the gala dinner for the leaders in OneCoin and is being held in Lisbon. This will be followed by two days training which will go pretty slowly so I would suggest just spending time on the Saturady morning asking the many unanswered questions there are regarding scams, pyramids, IPO’s, ICO’S, share Options, closed exchanges, Ruja’s criminal convictions as her probation is about to finish in Germany and whether she lied to the Courts regarding her finances -of course she did (3000 Euros per month to live on).
It will be interesting to see whether Pehr Karlsson, Juha Parhaila and Peter Shaw turn up as they are all rumoured to have left.
please take videos so we can share in the last supper.
By the way, where IS Ruja???
Not a word since ” Ask “dr” Ruja. Anyone knows?
Wherever Ruja is, I bet she wears a big sun hat and shades when she ventures out into public.
Thanks Ari Widell for the update.
kusetukset.blogspot.com/2017/10/business-for-home-drops-ruja-from-poll.html?m=1
Maybe she went on holiday for some months. Being founder, visionary, CEO and mother of a small baby must be a hard job for a young lady.
Scambastian Scamwood from Portugal:
youtube.com/watch?v=HM2I2ZufCx0
The whole onecoin scammer family is there, except Ignatova of course
youtube.com/watch?v=7L4OhLiyxLM
Are they trying to convince viewers… or themselves?
My money is on themselves. Their enthusiasm is waning from their presentations from just six months ago. No as an easy sell as before.
All the defections are starting to take a toll, and it is getting harder and harder to explain to those asking why they left.
The only question is how much longer before they too jump ship and get out of Dodge before this goes belly-up so they don’t get hit with the fallout. Bad for recruiting for their next Ponzi de Jour.
Did you see all the hungry scammers prematurely rushing the buffet? And look at that fat pink pig Igor Scambert sitting there getting drunk in the middle of it all.
He is too drunk to applaud his own wife, who gave one of the worst, incoherent speeches I have ever seen.
My God. I have seen children in the school canteen behave better than these people.
Andrea Scambert’s speech was just ludicrous-nothing of substance apart from Kari twittering in the background (as usual)that the Dutch are negative–Good call Kari as Peter Shaw lived there for a number of years. He certainly absorbed the mind set whilst he was there. Where was Juha, Shaw and Karlsson -maybe they have left but we will see if they turn up at some point over the weekend
Andrea -you hit it on the head when you first heard of OneCoin and asked your pink suited husband-where is the physical product(11.43)—you should have persuaded your friends to get out of thei money game(13.30)
this video needs to be referred to the Italian authorities
Cretina
Well, here’s Kari and Sebastian doing their thing at the Lisbon event: youtube.com/watch?v=9WrE-mpsASo.
Almost fell asleep watching this. OneCoin will now be the brand the new coin will be One as that’s going to be its trading symbol.
Maybe someone can tell me what the great news was since I must have fallen asleep when it was announced.
If this is the best they could to I shudder to think what the “training sessions” were like.
What kind of doctor is dr. Zafar anyways? Anybody knows that? And where can we find his dissertation?
I’m willing to bet that the training goes something like this:
his Facebook page says he studied at the Nishtar Medical College/Islamia University, Bahawalpur, pakistan.
this university offers degrees in medicine/surgery/dentistry so he may have any one of those.
not sure if he is registered or licensed to practice medicine in the UK.
even if he is a real doctor why would anyone trust their health or life to a lying cheating swindler – i’m going to remove your kidneys and give them to dr ruja and she will convert them to onecoins making you a kidneyless trillionaire!
on 3rd october, 2017 ari widell noticed that ruja ignatova had disappeared form the ‘The Top 100 CEOâs of the year 2017’ poll list where she had occupied the second position.
well, looks like ted nuyten of ‘business from home’ got his monthly payment from ruja, because she’s back on the poll list at number 2 again!
there is no explanation for the magical reappearance of ruja on the list. if i were to guess, i’d say its all about the money, honey!
really nuyten, you run a poll for top CEO of 2017 where contestants arbitrarily appear and disappear and you think anybody will take you seriously?
besides, which company is ruja CEO of? i thought she resigned and handed over her various companies [onecoin/onelife etc] to pablo munoz and pierre arens?
so, why is she even on the poll, you faker ted nuyten with your fake MLM review/news site?
Boredom in Portugal
Had a look at the gala dinner videos this morning from Friday’s Lisbon Event and there are about 200 people in attendance -many are incredibly bored looking and Kari,Greenwood and Andrea all get about 30 mins airtime.
Kari’s is totally inconsequential other than he owns over 50 million OneCoins but some Vietnamese scammer is also there who has more! Kari applauds the Vietnamese work ethic an comments that they don’t complain -they just are doing it!!!
Greenwood is interesting as he questions the audience and confirms that the era of cryptocurrency has passed and their success is about timing and not Ruja or himself(get out of jail clause) That timing-all agree has now passed so presumably this is his explanation of stalling sales and his attempt to place the responsibility on the members who will have an even more difficult time selling going forward.As he says “IT IS OVER”(5mins).
Anyway there are over 28 milion accounts and the “blockchain” will be nearly full at about 100 billion coins by the time of the “Definitely about” this time next year public offering -still called an ICO —More detail to be shared on the super Saturday training which will no doubt not mention a prospectus or white paper . Surprisingly enough the exchange to be used will be xcoinx (remember that) and many many other exchanges. WHAT ON EARTH IS HE TALKING ABOUT?
Greenwood goes on to deride the Affiliates failing to sign up only 50 K merchants by now with an outstanding 950 K targeted for year end. As he says this performance will not create added value and therefore the coins will go up and down -not of course before the Public offering but certainly after that if it lasts that long . Anyway Ruja and others determine the price (not value) so she can do as she wants with this and I predict it will magically go up to 25 Euros by year end cos she is worth it (apologies to L’Oreal).
Andrea -the Italian incoherent cretin does confirm the essence of the pyramid scheme -“That is the beauty of OneCoin– there is no Physical”. NOT EVEN THE EDUCATIONAL PRODUCTS THEN? As she said before her conversion she and her sweaty husband went to Dubai “to talk to people and their friends out of this money game”–maybe she is Vietnamese as well!!!
Time to start asking the questions with difficult answers guys as over 28 million accounts -“worth 5 trillion Euros ” are worthless.
Where are Ignatova and Arens? You can’t hide behind he idiots forever .
Bring Ignatova back to the German Court where she is serving her probation for over 20 counts of fraud for lying about her residency ,her earnings and her travels.
Unfortunately,you are all being suckered and this weekend will certainly demonstrate other stupidities.
I LOOK FORWARD TO POINTING OUT THE OBVIOUS ONES AS I MAY NOT GET THE SUBTLE STUFF -BRAIN DEAD AFTER THE VIDEOS
Igor Krnic said it seems Pierre Arens is not coming to Lisbon because he catched a virus.
Well, at least he wasn’t in a car accident like Pablo’s excuse for Macau or in surgery like Kari’s excuse for India.
uh oh
as freddie mercury of dadar parsi colony, mumbai, once sang quite wisely:
SEB GREENWOOD PICKS A FIGURE OUT OF HIS ARSE
As I said in post 99 above Greenwood let a lot of OneCoin truths out over his attempted speech at Lisbon.
He sys 100 billion coins will be mined before next year’s ICO (or whatever) and the projected capitalisation will then be 5 trillion Euros. But unlike the real world where prices go up and down on use etc in OneCoin it will always go up.
So announcements probably every two or three months of coin increase and 25 by this year end and progressive doubling of the price (NOT THE VALUE) in the subsequent 9/10 months.
Just like the Irish banker who when asked where they got the figure for the Government bailout said the 86 Billion Figure Euros was picked out of his arse-lies ,lies and onecoins.
Talking of the Irish has John Barrett -The ex Ireland Pioneer- surfaced yet as he had fled to Ireland six months ago made an appearance yet?
If so advise the authorities in Portugal–the CMVM as they are targeting the Portuguese today with a special promotion.
Anyone seen Shaw, Karlsson or Juha or have they got viruses as well-as Arens.
As they say in Spain only 3 things follow shit –Cholera ,the Jesuits and OneCoin-(MY APLOGIES TO THE JESUITS!)
Greenwood the ICO expert?
At Saturday’s training Greenwood spends 16 seconds -yes sixteen =talking about the ICO and the rest is of no interest to anyone in the room eg Dealshaker has an extensive Roadmap which was produced “a long time ago” and will be really important when OneCoin has 5/10 /15 million members in a couple of years.
Delusional as they are stuck at 50k Merchants for the last 2 months or so ,have duplications, have dormant merchants and one merchant is supplying a significant platform for many accounts of shit products from Chinese sweat shops–welcome to onelife (and this is AS good as it is going to get brothers and sisters in OneCoin).
WAKE UP AND ASK FOR YOUR MONEY BACK OR ARE YOU UP TO YOUR NECKS IN OTHER PEOPLE’S DEBTS AND REALISE YOU ARE A CONMAN/CONWOMAN ?
What a waste of time and Diamonds money.
Just had a look at Greenwood’s training video which again was very inconsequential unless you need to know his beliefs and are prepared to listen to conjectures, such as “I believe etc and this will definitely happen in one or two years, 5, 10, or 15 million members in 2 or 3 years” (now that is what I CALL A SOFT TARGET!).
Apparently, the ICO is designed to give space to grow despite a sixty fold increase in coins last year this is necessary.
Actually n ICO produces funds which is unnecessary given that the capitalisation is projected to be half a trillion by this time next year with an assumed coin price of 50 Euros–(his assumption and not mine in any way!).
He goes onto say that the ICO package will only be for those outside of the network who do not want to learn about cryptocurrency and just want to buy coins. This is of course the get out of jail card that OneCoin is about education.
You all know that you wanted the coins and the education was just a plagiarised amateur smoke screen. The new investors wil lbe able to trade on a number of exchanges but there is no indication of how OFC’s are managed and presumably peer to peer exchanges will,be open through xcoinx.
That has been dormant for over a year and didn’t work successfully before then anyway in dealing with KYC etc.
Mohammed Zafar in his video goes on to say that all will be clear in the next week or so through official channels but I am intrigued that Zafar can amplify within 24 hours what Greenwood hasn’t said to those in attendance.
Is Zafar a back channel to the disenchanted or is he under so much pressure that he has to come claen as soon as possible and unofficially.
Finally Greenwood explains “that you must pay before you can play” which is another slogan to add to the pile (earn while you learn) and this is certainly true in OneCoin.
3 YEARS AND NOT PUBLIC despite all the false starts. Get ready for some more.
I told everyone about the ICO, i knew before everyone else.
What’s going to be interesting is if this ICO, is for a new coin/blockchain (will make it a new and real cryptocurrency) problem is now they have their old fakecoin and a new shitcoin.
The new Will have NOTHING to do with the old fakecoin, No members what so ever will have access to it other than when xcoinx opens.
Then they Will probably be able to trade fakecoin (ponzi points) = Onecoin for the new shitcoin. The value will crash ofcourse.
Ruja and Sebastian, remember that in your CASE, YOU PAY AFTER YOU PLAY. And you will pay one way or the other.
Isn’t it exciting what will happen and when our heavenly father will send its revenge to those that keep doing the bad things?
Whoa, that’s a bold target! Although OneLife says it has 3,260,000 members, we all know the number is way less. Apparently the plan is that each member needs to find at least one merchant to sign up?
The number of “registered businesses” in DealShitter front page goes up and up on almost constant pace, clearly being increased by an automatic script. Couldn’t they just turn it up to 11,600 businesses/day (from current 116 businesses/day) and call it done?
No they are not stuck at 50 000 merchants. The amount of new merchants has gone up practically linearly since the beginning and keeps on doing so.
See here: http://kusetukset.blogspot.fi/2017/08/onecoin-clogged-dealshitter.html
The amount of open deals peaked a long time ago and is in decline. This even though DealShitter claims it is getting new merchants every day.
That package will be available on selected markets only, I’m sure. The Finland country director of OneCoin said in press interview (and I kid you not) that they have made the setup of selling education with free coins attached only to bypass the regulation that prevents them from selling the currency directly. The regulations have not changed.
This is something I’m eagerly waiting too. They can make an altcoin with a valid blockchain and pre-mined coins that are then delivered to the members (all for the face value), naturally. And I’m starting to believe they will do that.
But how will they explain that their “superb blockchain” that is “able to process more transactions than credit card providers” is being axed for the second time and replaced with something that is effectively a copy of the “inferior” Bitcoin?
And what is the excuse for all of the transaction history being lost (again), while they have been telling how blockchain is secure and nobody can delete your data from there? (And yes, the value would crash and burn the moment they would open the coins open for free selling.)
@ Dummis
That is interesting news and elaborates on Greenwoods statement that the ICO will only be available to outsiders who don’t need or want education (actually that is about 99.9% of the current 28 million accounts)
So that will leave current OneCoiners with some peer to peer exchange (xcoinx) which is useless. so then they are trying to buy areal coin with fake coins or yet more tokens. As you say crash time if it gets there at all.
The new coin (if that is what transpires) will be based on a dreadful past record and if it is closed source and centralised it will have no chance of being considered real.
Official statements are due in the next week according to Zafar via official channels. Get ready for more smoke screens.
If you have any further information please share in the meantime
@Otto -post 107
Thanks for the updates and particularly the f fINNISH dIRCETOR OF onECoin that the educational packages were simply a buffer to keep the regulators away from currencty.
OOPS! thanks OTTO FOR THE UPDATE AND YOUR INSIGHTFUL UPDATES RE DEALSHAKER ETC.
The comments from the Finnish Director that the education packages were simply a buffer to avoid currency regulators is ACE.
CAN YOU LINK US TO THE ORIGINAL PLEASE AND TRANSLATE IF NECESSARY?
well done.
@Otto I’m pretty sure onecoinico.io is open in almost all countries (maybe not in China, USA, Germany, Italy).
The education excuse is needed for IMAs, because IMAs can’t market securities (coins) legally without proper licenses. However, I think the company can offer coins directly in exchange of BTC on onecoinico -website, like any other ICO project. IMAs are probably not suppose to market this, and IMAs won’t get MLM bonuses from it afaik.
I checking with Tor, using random exit nodes.
The current onecoinico.io is visible from every country I have been able to try, including Germany and the US. I tested the following countries, from where the site appears identical:
Canada, France, Germany, Greece, the Netherlands, Liberia, Panama, Poland, Romania, Sweden, USA.
However the current site is not critical as it only shows “information”, if we choose to dignify it to that level. If they start making commercial offerings then there will be a real liability.
Perhaps you’ve not heard the saying “The wheels of God grind slowly, and they grind exceeding small.”
The OneCoin scammers have about as much to fear from Zeus as they do from the Swedish Gambling Authority.
They’ve run this scam at least half a dozen times before under different guises. Before OneCoin there was BigCoin and before that there will have been some other obscure Ponzi which has been lost to the mists of time. God hasn’t punished them yet.
For example: Conligus, Bonafa, and the guys who sold “gold-certificates” whom I don’t remember the name.
Probably former EmGoldex, current Global Intergold?
But of course! Interview of OneCoin Finnish Country Leader Tommi Vuorinen, dated May 25th 2015:
NOLINK://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000000931105.html
The crucial part:
And the same in English:
“What is misleading in OneCoin is that the company does not sell cryptocurrency, instead it sells online education.
The educational packages that cost up to 5 000 euros consist of eBooks produced by the OneCoin company itself.
But: If you buy an educational package, you will receive free options to cryptocoins. And the more expensive the package, the more coins you get.
According to Vuorinen this is the practice because OneCoin can not legally do forex trade. Nothing, however, prevents OneCoin from offering these options to the cryptocurrency as free giveaways to the buyers of the educational material.
Another but: people buy the educational packages solely because of the images of the options to the cryptocurrency.
When Vuorinen is presenting the educational packages, the content of education is only mentioned in few sentences. The main focus is the cryptocurrency of the OneCoin Ltd. According to Vuorinen the value of this new currency can go up fast and investment of 5 000 euros can make a return of up to 480 000 euros in two years.”
THERE ARE GOOD FINNS WHO TELL THE TRUTH.
Congratulations OTTO on this jewel of information and it Is what we all knew but this is the first time I have seen it admitted in print.
ADD TO THAT THE PACKAGES WERE PLAGIARISED ,THERE WAS NO REQUIREMENT TO STUDY .NO NEED TO PASS LOWER LEVELS BEFORE ACCESSING HIGHER LEVELS AND IF YOU INVESTED IN TWO TYCOONS YOU WERE ELIGIBLE TO TWO SETS OF THE 630 PAGES OF RUBBISH WHICH DOESN’T EVEN MENTION ONECOIN!!!! -funny tough BigCoin -Ruja’s previous collapsed ponzi/ICO is highlighted as a good example to follow
That is what they appear to be doing with the usual promotional gimmicks -where is my Aurum gold (remember that?)
well done
“Edward O’Sullivan bought into “OneCoin” – a multi level marketing scheme. Now he’s been excluded from the scheme and he’s trying to get his money back. He told Joe Duffy from RTĂ radio1 his story.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvRCCqP6z1E
A BIT OF IRISH COURAGE
Good -the more tv,radio and newspaper coverage the better with real stories ..Well done Joe for publishing this podcast.
Time for others to speak up and expose these corrupters.
Complain to your regulators /consumer bodies who deal with pyramid schemes and start naming names -after all OneCoin prides itself in its core values as transparent.
WHAT DOES ONECOIN ACTUALLY DO?
i have been sent a copy of a letter from CARTER RUCK –OneCoin’s solicitors of choice in the UK who pop up every now and then (remember Jennifer McAdam) to gain fees from the Crypto Organisation when the latter receive adverse publicity.
Joe Duffy in Ireland received a letter prior to the above show (post 118) and in it they say in answer to the following question;
So we know OneCoin is not an MLM Company ,we’re not investors and now it would appear that it is not necessary to buy educational products which is what has been made very clear in various defences here in Ireland and further afield (see Finnish Director’s comments in 116 above)
It would appear that with the opening of OneLife OneCoin is being allowed to wither and becoming defunct? This may be explained by the atrocious reputation built up by OneCoin in 2015 /16 or is there some other explanation?
Normally, if you transfer your contract from one entity(eg OneCoin)to another (eg OneLife this would require explicit notice and agreement . I don’t remember that happening do you?
IF YOU WANT YOUR MONEY BACK YOU SHOULD ASK FOR IT TO BE RETURNED AS YOUR CONTRACT WOULD APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN REVOKED??
I have a few ideas but let us first get some other ideas from OneCoiners or this community.
I shall write to Irina Dilkinska(the Corporate Lawyer)and ask her to clarify Carter Ruck’s mystifying explanation.
It looks as if the lawyers are making the money and maybe one of you UK affiliates (Zafar) should sign them up under Dealshaker and help Greenwood in his quest for 1 million merchants by this year end(only 950 k to go).
RIDICULOUS!
That’s wrong! In order to purchase the course you HAVE TO become an IMA. There is no possibility to buy the courses as a ordinary person, or better, as a consumer!
That’s one of the tricks of Onecoin trying to avoid consumer protection laws in the EU and other countries where such laws exist.
Carter-Fuck! It just gets better.
Their clients also include the Church of Scientology and a ÂŁ3m UK scam called Tullet Brown – they tried to suppress journalists reporting the scam with legal threats, so they have experience in this area. Lovely people. Note: the above is all factual information available on Wikipedia. Apart from the “lovely people” bit.
Everyone’s entitled to a lawyer no matter how guilty they are. But Carter-Fuck have gone above and beyond by not just defending scammers in court, but assisting them by trying to prevent journalists from warning potential investors.
Hopefully they demanded payment in advance… and not in OneCoins.
It is interesting how few posts there are recently regarding OneCoin. i guess and hope the lull before a particular big storm when they come out with official information regarding the ICO.
I have written to Dilkinska asking her what OneCoin actually do in view of what carter Ruck said as well as asking her what Corporate entities are dealing with what aspects of the business–where is the money for the costs of the Ico coming from and how is being internally spun to pay commissions ,mining suppliers and gift code discounts
WHAT are the vat and tax inspectors doing in Bulgaria–apart from taking backhanders?
So let me get this straight. The big reveal of the official situation about the ICO was to have taken place at the Portugal event, but it didn’t happen. Wasn’t this ICO supposed to take place the middle of this month?
And here we are just 2 days from the middle of October and no “official word” on what is going to take place, or did I miss it somewhere?
THE FUTURE OF PAYMENTS DELAYED -PIERRE HAS A COLD
At Lisbon Sebastian only mentioned the ICO for 16 seconds whilst the audience had to listen for two hours to him, Kari and Andrea from Italy who was a complete cretin –“that is the beauty of OneCoin – there is no physical product”-ie Classic definition of a pyramid scheme.
Pierre-the CEO -was not there because he had a cold and an unofficial announcement was made on the Sunday by Mohammed Zahar (peace be upon him and his children) who seems to have taken over the role of the press /marketing department-he cannot wait to move because he is under increasing pressure in the UK from his local cretins who went to Sofia and saw the vacating offices as Ruja had disappeared.
Instead of saying I have been duping you (under the coaching of Peter Shaw) he says that an official announcement will be made through OneLife and will be made this coming week –but then again it was Friday the 13th yesterday so we might have to wait to the month end when it is all souls day and OneCoin’s announcement will effectively kill what is left of any credibility -unless you have no conscience, are greedy, are stupid or various alternatives of same. Denial helps as well.
Ridiculous
gET YOUR oNECOINS USEDIN dealahaker boys a there is only alittle time left.
Meanwhile you can read about ICO lol
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You did. NOLINK://www.onecoinico.io
Thanks for that, but there is nothing on the site to explain anything, just a countdown clock.
I thought they were to make this big announcement how this was all going to work and everyone was going to be zillionaires within a week.
SUPER TED NOW MANAGING ONEACADEMY?
What a ridiculous bunch must now work in OneAcademy -come back Ed Ludbrooke -not forgiven of course but maybe you haven’t left at all?
Even the kids SuperTed education is pilfered off the original Welsh author.
So a day to go before another USELESS MESSAGE -MORE AND MORE BIZARRE EVERY DAY!
So, in not so surprising turn of events, nothing happend on onecoinico site. The counter went to zero, and 8 more days were added. Now the “round ONE” is set to be Oct 25th.
How can you even have an ICO after you’ve been selling Ponzi points you’ve been marketing as a cryptocurrency internally for three years?
aw oz, what do you expect poor ruja to do? her onecoin/onelife/dealshaker are all crashing around her, and she needs a new ‘product’ to Reboot her scam.
ICO is a new buzz word in the cryptocurrency world so why not clamber on to that band wagon?
maybe next year, after her ICO package sales crash, she’ll introduce a new shiny buzz product like ‘cryptobonds’ which USI tech is planning to do!
the idea is to set up scams in areas which are new and not regulated enough, so they can scam off enough money before regulators wake up and start issuing warnings.
onecoin/onelife/dealshaker are just scammy rip offs of otherwise legitimate ideas, and people buy into these scams because they cant see the difference.
a few hours ago someone left this comment about dealshaker on facebook:
see? flaky fraudulent ripoff of an otherwise legitimate idea just to create a veneer of legitimacy.
after onecoin/onelife/dealshaker, people who purchase ICO packages from ruja seriously need to get their heads checked.
yeah, so maybe onecoin CEO pierre arens who was missing from lisbon, is still too sick to announce the ICO?
y’know, kari and all said he had a bad cold, and maybe he was rushing to the onecoin office to get the ICO started, sneezing all the way, and and and a cement mixer truck rammed into his ass!
i mean, if it can happen to the now quietly disappeared previous CEO pablo munoz then….who knows?
No news there. Basically everything that was said in Scam Detector blog post two months ago still apply:
NOLINK://kusetukset.blogspot.fi/2017/08/onecoin-clogged-dealshitter.html
– Currently 12 “merchants” sell over 10% of all deals. Yes – twelve merchants alone. The links to the accounts were posted to MuroBBS few days ago (click here)
– The service claims to have 47 000 merchants while they have only open 10 500 deals (of which 10% were sold by 12 merchants). Obviously there are not that many merchants in reality.
– Any products that make sense are usually sold in euros and by definition overpriced.
– Products sold in OneCoins are priced few orders of magnitude higher than they should be by the face value of the coin.
– Products sold in OneCoins are usually useless crap like wooden ornament for 10 000 EUR worth of ONE or hand-panted fabric for few thousand ONE.
– There are deals that have multiple duplicates in the service.
– There are deals that look promising but are only shipped to China/Asia.
– There are deals that are apparently shipped also to North Korea, Syria, Palestinian occupation zone and Antarctica.
…List goes on and on.
“Useless news”
mailchi.mp/19e5e4f7eff1/jxkey6m9c9-701081?e=a0e0b3336a
“members will be able to request less tokens”
WTF? The donkeys will be like:
“Please dear sir can I have less tokens since I only bought education?”
LOL!
So the demand is still high – even with all the negative news and bank closings and fines along with the arrests?
So is this what we call Scarcity and the business of marketing to your audience?
Who wouldn’t want the MOST “FREE” tokens with useless education packages?
So now its time to “REDO” the education because “EVERYONE” has a copy?
Revamp Refresh Renew?
Or is the ship sinking and hitting bottom?
Useless News nr 2:
mailchi.mp/09a3bcb82dfb/jxkey6m9c9-701085?e=a0e0b3336a
Why does Pierre Arens always look like they are holding a gun to his head or holding his family hostage somewhere
Dealshaker is complete garbage. Say you wanna look at cars. If you click on the vehicles tan you get a bunch of incrompehensible “deals” for some kind of weird chinese beets or a plot of radioactive wasteland in romania
that’s because i think the educational packages will be slowly phased out via a quiet death.
so the top promoters of the scam will be able to start selling ICO packages as the new way to riches coming soon in 2018!
it’s just a Reboot of ruja’s scam, she thinks she can steal some more from the world as bulgaria has turned a blind eye to her international scam.
yep, you can see the ‘unprecedented high demand’ on alexa which is tanking:
alexa.com/siteinfo/onelife.eu
Meanwhile in Italy: facebook.com/1235595426/videos/10210187560465557/?hc_ref=ARTy0etSpDtyP3QBrnZEOSOdwqRJtkK6Bj4XTMDBfgOyKUVXEZNPgcrMCu338vXHtEc
Is it only my impression or does he actually look stoned?
RE: “Meanwhile in Italy…”
How does AGCM let that fly??
Cimbala … so related to Igor Alberts and he’s pretty high up the OneCoin food-chain.
These guys will be laundering money through offshore hideyholes and not recruiting in Italy itself.
That’s if he’s actively promoting at all. Another family member with a cushy affiliate position they didn’t build.
And obviously not “paid with onecoin”. Unless OneCoin are cutting ROI withdrawal deals for top affiliates on the sly.
So how did Iulian actually pay the hummer with OneCoins? Obviously the deal wasn’t as such in DealShaker. And it’s impossible to send large amount of coins even in your up/down line.
Only possibility would be a fake DealShaker deal in order to circumvent the coin transfer restrictions. Any merchant would be brain dead to give away a hummer in exchange of Onecoins. Let alone do it via fake DealShaker deal.
Who knew the “future of money” was so secretive.
Obviously everyone’s not in on it, as any time a top investor trades OneCoin points for something comments from other affiliates are always “how?”.
No answer.
Definitly something flowing in his blood that by nature does not belong there. And those eyes… and that ecstatic behaviour.
I keep getting this page is not available when clicking the link. Is it down, or do you have to be an approved member to read it?
Can confirm working here.
Works fine for me too.
Not strategy just desperate promotion?
I saw that the impending round one of the anticipated ICO has been delayed yet again and in the absence of any cogent reply from OneCoin asked a local committed big wig what was the reason.
His quoted answer was:
OK so what we do know is that this is about last minute blitz promotions to draw in extra cash. Where is the information regarding the worthless OFC’s, the worthless ICO tokens, the withdrawn IPO, the white paper/prospectus on “round one” of the alleged ICO and all the desired information regarding the next 12 months.
Oh and if the exchange was closed to prepare for the IPO why has it not re-opened as there is now no IPO.
Don’t worry though cos Ruja predicts the coin will be at 25 Euros by year end -with a shortfall of 6.5 million members and over 950 K shortfall in merchants (good or bad) at the same deadline.
Time to start being very concerned. Pierre needs to get over his cold.
Maybe you should add “http://www.” at the beginning of the link.
@Tim I’m pretty sure that Italian Guardia di Finanza has an eye on Cimbala and his colleagues in Italy. But as Oz noticed, they are getting their victims in other countries, so they can’t do much more than to observe.
According to Murobbs someone in Italy was selling that Hummer for 45.000 euros in September.
i.imgur.com/p4ZWdC2.png
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!
ONECOIN CEO PIERRE AHRENS: GONE!!!!!
Source: mobile.news.paperjam.lu/news/pitt-arens-nest-deja-plus-le-ceo-de-onecoin
So he didn’t have a cold…
…he’s just sick of it đ
Not sure if reported previously in relation to Onecoin forged document, but in an unrelated forgery case 5 arrests of Onecoin promoters in Vietnam (for producing a forged document earlier this year, touted by top Onecoin scammers Mohamed Zafar and Yasir Mirza [who’s since bailed “The Future of Payments” Ponzi]) seems to now be confirmed, bringing the total number of Onecoin promoters arrested to around 85 in 7(?) countries on at least 3 continents.
Source: m.dantri.com.vn/kinh-doanh/bo-truong-bo-ke-hoach-va-dau-tu-bi-sao-chep-lam-gia-chu-ky-20171020075122289.htm
CORRECTION(?) the 5 Onecoin scammers arrested may have been from Korea (Translation issues)
2nd source: koreabizwire.com/financial-governance-bodies-form-task-force-to-draft-cryptocurrency-regulations
So unless Dragan Meseldzija is a OneCoin affiliate, Cimbala paid him with real money.
Just another day of lies from the OneCoin crowd.
Well, not for me and I put in http://www. before the link. I keep getting:
It seems Dragan Meseldzija is a OneCoin affiliate. In the below video Iulian interviews him.
(Ozedit: video 404 as of March 2020)
@WhistleBlowerFin
You can bet he didn’t pay the 40,000 EUR asking price then.
Signing up to a Ponzi scheme, recruiting others, getting pyramid commissions in real money and then spending that money != buying anything with OneCoin.
^ Oz you quoted me wrong there. Infact I don’t believe Cimbala paid with real money. I’ve heard from other sources which I consider reasonably believable that Dragan has sold a car with 100% OneCoins before.
I believe Dragan has just been assured by someone like Mihail Petrovic or other Balkan/Italian top leaders that OneCoin is a valid cryptocurrency same as Bitcoin, and will have a high value in the future like Bitcoin.
Hopefully when reality finally becomes clear to him, he is not one of the people who will just silently accept the losses..
^ But it’s still unclear to me how they transferred the coins. Dragan has a profile in DealShaker, so maybe he made a fake deal, in order to make sure nobody else buys the coupon than the intended buyer.
https://dealshaker.com/en/merchant/bnGESf6h4bTyXBegEHmaL5Gkfqyrcj8nx2b7oBGIpQY~/info
DRAGAN KEEPS DRAGGING ON
why are we giving this story so much oxygen as th cult wuill simpoly say that this is an example of how dealshaker works without any difficulties.
Just report these deals to the Italian authorities and get him to produce the invoices -obviously there is illegality as the coin is being used as a currency.
The same is alleged in Onemillionplus shop in Poland but as they were new cars there will be VAT and other tax implications.
end of story.
You are very likely blocked by the post publisher (facebook’s error message is not loud and clear, but is typically used in this kind of the situation).
Try to use another FB account to get there, but basically – there is nothing really worthwhile to see (unless you are not after the dudes on the video and in comments).
@CryptoKill – RE: “obviously there is illegality as the coin is being used as a currency.”
Actually, that’s not accurate. It’s technically being used only as a COUPON. Whether 50% or 100% Discount Coupon is irrelevant. The world “cryptocurrency” is comprised of TWO core components, for which Onecoin lacks either:
1.) “crypto” – ie., cryptography – there is no “public key” / “private key” relationships in any transaction.
SEE: http://onecoinscam.info/blockchain-simulator/
2.) “currency” – a.) Digital currency (digital money or electronic money or electronic currency) is distinct from physical (such as banknotes and coins). It exhibits properties similar to physical currencies, but allows for instantaneous transactions and borderless transfer-of-ownership.
b.1.) A cryptocurrency (or crypto currency) is a digital asset designed to work as a medium of exchange using cryptography to secure the transactions and to control the creation of additional units of the currency.[1][2] Cryptocurrencies are classified as a subset of digital currencies and are also classified as a subset of alternative currencies and virtual currencies.
b.2.) Cryptocurrencies use various timestamping schemes to avoid the need for a trusted third party to timestamp transactions added to the blockchain ledger.
c.) COUPON: (Cambridge Dictionary) A piece of paper (TC: or digital representation) that you can use to buy a product or service at a reduced price or to get it free, or to get information:
EXAMPLES:
Send in this coupon with your name and address for a free travel brochure.
You can collect points from the soda bottles and use them to get discount coupons.
Onecoins are COUPONS because they can be exchanged for goods and services (or discounts therefore), but are NOT CURRENCY because they are not “fungible” into other mediums of exchange or any OTHER currencies in earth, whether fiat or virtual.
Currency has to have the following 5 properties:
(-) Scarcity: final number of the symbols
(-) Fungibility: all symbols are interchangeable, commodity like. Symbol A is identical to symbol B, and vice versa.
(-) Divisibility: the symbols are easily divisible, so you can divide them to smaller and smaller portions
(-) Durability: the symbols can survive the test of time and weahther and wonât be worn out or disappear
(-) Transferability: the symbols can be easily transferred between owners
Onecoin fails on AT LEAST 3 of these 5
thanks Tim for the defintions. So can you advise what the position is then with respect to coupon “value” for Vat purposes and tax liability?
I CAN NOT SEE THE AUTHORITIES ALLOWING CARS OR MOTOR CYCLES-DAVISONS TO BE SOLD FOR 10000 OneCoins and accepting thee is no liablity to Vat?
Drangan presumably sells at point of collection so the Montenegro authorities need to be advised-0r alternatively Italy if the sales invoice is raised there. Or is it all cash anyway?
When Zafar visited the Sofia office about 3 weeks ago and was forced to make his video in a local cafe it looked as if OneCoin had vacated their office even though it was originally bought by Ruja and subsequently sold and leased back to OneCoin (money laundering or cash flow difficulties?).
PIERRES LACK OF INTEREST WAS EVIDENT AND WE NOW KNOW THE REASON HE GAVE -“LACK OF LEEWAY TO LEAD NEW WINDOWS OF OPPORTUNITY” -IE CASTRATED.
Maybe there recruitment/procurement team ought to be fired -tried to appoint Bjorn Bjerke, hired Casals who delivered a piece of shit consultancy. Now two CEO’s appointed and resigned or thrown out within a year of each other.
Maybe she got the yacht at a discount and is charging the Company as a maternity right cost. Ruja you should have paid with OneCoins on Dealshaker
I DON’T THINK THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT THE DUPED DO YOU?
Now have a look at the office and perhaps the Bulgarian press will check it out and determine where are the employees -are they on the yacht in the Black sea?
google.bg/maps/@42.6918553,23.3248525,3a,75y,89.55h,86.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAF1QipNA7FtgNv6GmDRpWa0_EfCVCGXdxvxG9yJe4IlY!2e10!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en