Powur Review: SolarCity solar power installations
Update 13th July 2021 – At the request of a Powur executive, BehindMLM revisited the company and published an updated Powur review on July 13th, 2021.
This review is preserved as originally published for archive purposes. /end update
There is no information on the Powur website indicating who owns or runs the business.
After a brief marketing spiel, visitors to the Powur site have the sole option of clicking on a “continue” button, which redirects them to an “invite code” page.
Powur is a referral-only, private network. Enter your invite code to continue.
A marketing video on this page features Jonathan Budd. On his Facebook profile, Budd cites himself as the “Founder and CEO at Powur PBC”.
On the 10th of September, Budd (right) published the following:
For the last 22 months, I have been “Underground”. I’ve been working on the biggest project I will likely ever get to work on in my life.
This is not a billion dollar play… it’s literally TRILLIONS. I’m not kidding. In just a few days, I’m going to release the details to the world for the first time.
Jonathan Budd first popped up on BehindMLM back in 2011, as a “mentor” for SMS Dailys.
In 2013 Budd co-founded Rippln, best known as one of the most notorious MLM startup failures ever.
Seeking to combine affiliate recruitment with third-party mobile apps, Rippln delivered copious amounts of marketing hype and not much else.
The scheme finally collapsed in early 2014, with Budd going on to launch MyStand a few months later.
MyStand was touted as a task-based social-change opportunity, but doesn’t seem to have gone anywhere.
When the opportunity was shuttered is unclear, but today the MyStand website is marked “under construction”.
Read on for a full review of the Powur MLM business opportunity.
The Powur Product Line
Powur is a group of forward thinking, innovative entrepreneurs changing how the world produces and consumes energy.
In conjunction with SolarCity and it’s co-founder, visionary Elon Musk, we are rolling out a technology that will shift billions in wealth to the new #Grid Builders.
For those unfamiliar with SolarCity, they are
an American provider of energy services, headquartered in San Mateo, California.
Among its primary services, the company designs, finances, and installs solar power systems. The company had 9,051 employees as of December 2014. (Wikipedia)
Coverage wise, Powur marketing material states that
SolarCity operates in these states: Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Washington, D.C., Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Texas, Vermont, and Washington, covering about 70% of the U.S. population (and constantly expanding).
Putting a price on solar installation by SolarCity isn’t something I can do in a review, suffice to say that each installation is going to vary in cost depending on a number of factors (property, where it is being installed, customer needs etc.).
The Powur Compensation Plan
The Powur compensation plan pays affiliates to generate solar customer leads and ultimately installations of SolarCity panels.
Powur Affiliate Ranks
There are ten affiliate ranks within the Powur compensation plan.
Along with their respective qualification criteria, they are as follows:
- Partner – sign up as a Powur affiliate (no MLM commissions)
- Qualified Partner – generate at least three solar proposals
- L1 Partner – personally generate at least five solar proposals (accumulated) and have a downline who collectively generate nine a month
- L2 Partner – personally generate at least seven solar proposals (accumulated) and have a downline who collectively generate twenty-five a month
- L3 Partner – personally generate at least ten solar proposals (accumulated) and have a downline who collectively generate seventy-five a month
- Game Changer – personally generate at least five solar contracts (accumulated) and have a downline who collectively generate seventy-five a month
- L1 Game Changer – personally generate at least seven solar contracts (accumulated) and have a downline who collectively generate two hundred a month
- L2 Game Changer – personally generate at least ten solar contracts (accumulated) and have a downline who collectively generate five hundred a month
- L3 Game Changer – personally generate at least twelve solar contracts (accumulated) and have a downline who collectively generate one thousand a month
- Hero – personally generate at least fifteen solar contracts (accumulated) and have a downline who collectively generate two thousand a month
Proposal Commission
Solar customer leads in Powur are referred to as “proposals”.
When a Powur affiliate brings their first three proposals to the company, they receive a one-time $75 commission.
An additional $75 commission is paid out when personally recruited affiliates bring their first three proposals to the company too.
Note that proposals generated must be approved as qualified by SolarCity.
Residual Proposal Commissions
Residual commissions in Powur are paid out via a perpetual 1-up plan, tracked through a unilevel compensation structure.
A unilevel compensation structure places an affiliate at the top of a unilevel team, with every personally recruited affiliate placed directly under them (level 1):
If any level 1 affiliates recruit new affiliates of their own, they are placed on level 2 of the original affiliate’s unilevel team.
If any level 2 affiliates recruit new affiliates, they are placed on level 3 and so on and so forth down a theoretical infinite number of levels.
Commissions are paid out at a rate of $100 per every three qualified proposals submitted to SolarCity.
A perpetual 1-up plan sees affiliates “pass up” every second affiliate recruited to their upline (the affiliate who recruited them). Any commissions paid out on proposals generated by these affiliates are passed up.
In turn, every second affiliate recruited by affiliates not passed up are paid out on.
In this manner a Powur affiliate can earn commissions on affiliates their downline passes up down an infinite number of levels.
Residual Proposal Match
A 50% Residual Proposal Match is paid out on Proposal commissions paid to every affiliate passed up.
Eg. You recruit affiliate A. They recruit affiliates B and C.
Affiliate C is passed up to you, with you earning a 50% match on Affiliate C’s own pass-up commissions (as their downline is built).
Solar Contract Commission
For each solar contract a Powur affiliate brings to the company, they receive a $250 commission.
$125 is paid out when the contract is signed and $125 upon installation.
If three or more contracts are signed in a month, Powur affiliates receive an extra $50 bonus commission per contract signed that month.
Residual Solar Contract Commissions
Residual solar contract commissions are paid out via the same unilevel compensation structure used to pay residual Proposal commissions.
Residual solar contract commissions are paid out down six levels of recruitment, with how many levels a Powur affiliate earns on determined by their rank:
- Qualified Partner – $40 on level 1 (personally recruited affiliates)
- L1 Partner – $40 on level 1 and $20 on level 2
- L2 Partner – $40 on level 1 and $20 on levels 2 and 3
- L3 Partner – $40 on level 1, $20 on levels 2 to 4 and $10 on level 5
- Game Changer – $40 on level 1, $20 on levels 2 to 4 and $10 on levels 5 and 6
As with the Solar Contract commissions, half the residual commission is paid upon signing of a contract and half upon installation.
Differential Bonus
The Differential Bonus pays out $100 per signed solar contract.
The bonus is paid out via a unilevel compensations structure, with Game Changer or higher affiliates earning the full $100 bonus.
If the immediate upline of the affiliate who generated the contract is lower than a Game Changer, they are paid their applicable percentage (based on rank), with the remaining balance paid out to higher ranked affiliates found further along the upline.
- L1 Partner – 20%
- L2 Partner – 30%
- L3 Partner – 40%
- Game Changer – 60%
- L1 Game Changer – 70%
- L2 Game Changer – 80%
- L3 Game Changer – 90%
- Hero – 100%
This process continues until a Game Changer affiliate is found, at which point they are paid whatever of the $100 Differential Bonus remains.
Eg. You are a L1 Game Changer and one of your level 1 recruited affiliates brokers a SolarCity contract.
You are paid a $70 commission, with $30 of the Differential Bonus remaining.
Your immediate upline is a L2 Game Changer, so they are paid $10 (the difference between 70% and 80%).
$20 remains, which is paid out to the L2 Game Changer affiliates upline because they are at the Hero rank.
If the L2 Game Changer’s upline was a L3 Game Changer, they would have been paid $10 (the difference between 80% and 90%). The system would then continue to search the upline for a Hero to pay the remaining $10 out to.
Note that if an upline is at an equal or lower rank than has already been paid, they are skipped as the system searches upline for a higher-ranked affiliate.
Also note that 50% of the Differential Bonus is paid out upon signing of a contract and the other 50% upon installation.
Rank Achievement Bonus
Upon qualifying at specific Powur affiliate ranks, the following incentives are awarded:
- Game Changer – $10,000 paid over 12 months
- L1 Game Changer – $25,000 paid over 18 months
- L2 Game Changer – $933 a month (no term specified)
- L3 Game Changer – $100,000 paid over 24 months
- Hero – $500,000 paid over 36 months
Joining Powur
Affiliate membership with Powur is free.
Conclusion
As per the SolarCity website;
Each time someone you refer installs a SolarCity power system, you’ll get $250.
The simplest way to describe the Powur MLM opportunity is a redistribution of the $250 SolarCity pay them per solar installation.
Of note is that Powur additionally pays per qualified proposal submitted, suggesting they might have access to an additional commission SolarCity don’t offer the general public.
In any event, if you’re not interested in MLM then you’re probably better off financially by signing up with SolarCity yourself.
If you’re interested in leveraging the efforts of others, Powur might warrant a closer look.
On the compensation plan side of things Powur is pretty straight forward.
All commissions are generated via the marketing and sale of SolarCity’s solar services, with installation being the end-goal.
Powur in that sense is a truly marketing-orientated opportunity, with affiliates going out there and acquiring SolarCity customers.
It is possible that an affiliate might use Powur affiliate membership as a marketing tool to sell SolarCity installations. But with nothing paid on direct recruitment however, I’d let that slide.
In any event it’s unlikely, with retail likely prevailing. Not everyone is going to be up to task of marketing solar installations.
On that note I’d strongly encourage prospective Powur affiliates to shop around their area and investigate what the competition’s rates are.
This is inevitably going to come up with any potential customers who are thinking of going solar, so it’d be in your best interests to know what you’re marketing against.
Make sure you take a look at what the competition are offering and for how much, and then compare it to SolarCity’s offering.
If SolarCity are competitive in your area and there are a lot of home-owners living in their properties (I can’t imagine rental landlords bothering with solar just yet), then Powur could be the MLM opportunity for you.
Good luck!
Update 13th July 2021 – At the request of a Powur executive, BehindMLM revisited the company and published an updated Powur review on July 13th, 2021.
On a more personal note, glad to see Budd’s finally moved on from the Rippln mess with something that looks promising.
One can get a solar system installed, rent it monthly, and get credit for overproduction through various companies here in the States.
For example, I have a customer that got his installed through PSE&G. He pays $120/mo rental and his highest electric bill was $7.
Allegedly his bills before were $400-600/mo. PSE&G also took the energy credits.
A neighbor up the street just had a system put in – rental type plan also. Results are not in yet.
After reading the reviews of Solar City here, it makes sense why they would consider getting into bed with MLM.
consumeraffairs.com/solar-energy/solarcity.html
Nothing wrong with solar, but the problem with this MLM is it’s not a “consumable”. Each house needs ONE, and that’s it.
Sooner or later you exhaust the local area and no more moola, esp. with other solar installers trolling the DIY stores like HomeDepot / Lowe’s as well as radio and TV ads.
It’s “legitimate”, but it’s not likely to make much money in the long-run.
@Chang
Agreed and definitely nothing wrong with solar. However, the reviews of this particular company selling the solar panels suggest their business ethics are lacking.
There seems to be a lot of unhappy customers who feel they were conned into a contract and are paying too much.
This to me explains their partnering with an MLM. Seems like a lose lose situation here.
@ Oz
There is NO COST to the customer for installation with Powur.
A friend of mine asked me to review Powur to see if it would be something I would be interested in pursuing.
After 3 weeks of due diligence, I see benefits to the END USER as well as the POWUR ADVOCATE and or PARTNER
A few thoughts:
BENEFITS TO THE CONSUMER
1. The most common option for installation of solar is FREE to the customer.
2. Solar City handles the installation costs and maintenance fees.
3. Clean energy
4. Reduced energy costs (10 to 20 % reduction is not uncommon)
5. Increase in home value (according to some reports – Average of $15,000 per home)
BENEFITS TO THE ADVOCATE/PARTNER
1. They REFER potential customers to Powur using their technology – similar to that of Uber and AirBNB – but the money is made in a proper follow up (sales process).
2. Solar City handles everything else
3. Override income for Partners who decide to build a team
The ONLY comparison I see here to the MLM Model (which I personally believe is broken) is the potential for override income.
@ K Chang – You bring up the question of “consumable” products.
The Life Insurance Industry has proven the one-time sales model works well for agents who can prospect and sell and Insurance Marketing Organizations (IMOs) who can recruit and train.
I personally know agents who earn 7 figures per year selling a product with NO renewals. I also have personal knowledge of IMO owners who earn multiple 7 figure income in overrides on those sales.
It would appear Powur is using a similar model.
Powur might be a good option for MLM’ers who have finally figured out the truth about the MLM Model:
Selling Opportunity Packages to newly recruited distributors who enroll in the auto ship program purchasing over-priced products. Vemma proved that model is a thing of the past.
The MLM Money-Gamers will NOT work Powur very long because it is a slow build. And yes, there will be some selling involved.
In fact, it is all about Referring (passive sales method) people who are interested in getting a Solar Proposal.
People who can Recruit and Train should like the Powur model as well. However, the old MLM Model of Recruit, Recruit, Recruit will not work with Powur as (again) there is NOTHING paid for recruiting itself – – ONLY proposals and installs.
Residual income comes after Powur builds the Customer Base. At the time, Powur can introduce other energy saving products and services and the Powur Partners get paid again.
Again, this is similar to the Insurance Model.
Note: I don’t see Powur becoming the next AIRBnB or Uber either as there is a big difference between referring someone to an APP vs a $20,000 – $30,000 Solar Installation (even if it IS free to the consumer).
HERE IS MY MAIN CONCERN FOR POWUR:
seekingalpha.com/article/3322025-solarcitys-solar-ambassador-program-is-exploding
So, as of July 13, 2015, Solar City has 100,000 Ambassadors who are working the program. They are also competition to Powur Advocates and Partners. I am sure the 100,000 figure has increased by now.
But using the Insurance Industry Model, there is always room for the right Marketing Company with a better method for finding customers.
From what I understand, Jonathan Budd might just be that guy.
It will be interesting to see how they do in this HIGHLY competitive market.
Yeah those SolarCity reviews were a bit eyebrow raising.
Might be worth approaching people in your area with panels on their roof and seeing what option they went with.
@MLM Broken
I know Solar City offer an installation option, so that’s not available through Powur?
What if a Powur proposal customer doesn’t want a lease? Does that mean there’s no installation commission?
@Oz
From what I understand, Powur has the same type of Independent Marketing Agreement with Solar City as does Best Buy & Home Depot.
I believe Powur can market ALL of the programs available through Solar City.
NOTE: I could be wrong on that assumption. Maybe someone else can offer clarification on that point.
See the link below.
solarcity.com/residential/how-much-do-solar-panels-cost
Solar City also has a Home Builder Partner Program: Toll Brothers & Shea Homes.
These Home Builders will also be competing with Powur for Solar City customers.
According to the video at the link below, affiliates who want to qualify for MLM commissions have to pay $299.00 for “training”.
solargies.com/powur-compensation-plan/
I’d definitely want to know more about where the “residual solar contract commissions” are coming from before handing over my $299.00.
Is SolarCity passing along a portion of the monthly lease payments for the panels to Powur, who then pass a portion of that along to affiliates?
If not, what would be the source of the “residual commissions”?
This wasn’t mentioned in the official Powur compensation plan material I reviewed.
If $299 is required to earn commissions, then that’s a defacto affiliate fee – and I hope isn’t being used in any way to fund the compensation plan.
There is NO fee to become an Advocate. Advocates get paid $250 when their referrals install a Solar City system.
Powur also has a Team Builder position called Partner, and they are required to pay the $299. No money is paid out for ONLY recruiting other Partners.
Plus, there is a way that Advocates can “earn” the Partner designation although I am not sure about the details.
Plus, it appears the Powur program doesn’t include this benefit to the customer:
The problem is life insurance is virtual, not physical, and you can switch almost at will. Even term life that builds value can be cashed out (albeit at a penalty).
Having solar panels installed on your roof means you’re stuck with it for a while, unless you want to pay tens of thousands and buyout the panels. And I haven’t seen any sort of “transfer agreement” between the solar providers that allow switching (unlike cell phone carriers that offers to pay early termination for switching).
I think you picked the wrong analogy.
@K Chang
My point was from the Distribution side of the transaction and NOT the consumer side.
Please read again and you should see my point is valid.
However, let me respond to the consumer point you are making.
With the typical Whole Life Insurance Policy, there is a penalty for early cancellation too. You DO understand that, right?
You mention “term life that builds value” Are you referring to Return of Premium Term Insurance? The only reason there is a return of premium feature on these policies is the carrier charges EXTRA PREMIUM during the policy term and then gives it back to the policyholder at the end.
You might have picked the wrong guy with which to debate Life Insurance products and distribution channels, btw.
I don’t see the your other point as being an issue either. When someone buys a new home in a neighborhood today, do they have a choice as to their power company?
In almost all cases, they do not. So, in essence, unless they want to do without TV, frig, charge cell phone, cook etc, they will have to connect with THAT power company.
When they sell the home, there is NO extra value in doing so.
With Solar, they pay LESS than that same local power company would charge AND it adds an extra $15,000 in value when they sell.
From the SolarCity.com website:
solarcity.com/residential/solar-energy-faqs/buying-selling-solar-homes
So, your point again was…..?
Either my point was so obtuse, or you’re not just seeing it. And yes, I was talking about the consumer side.
I’m actually not debating your knowledge of life insurance. I’m merely debating that solar city and such are not really comparable to life insurance.
It may be on the sales-person side, but has that gone MLM? And I don’t think it’s comparable on the consumer side at all.
I personally see solar biz like Powur as a weirdly incentivized car leasing.
It’d be like getting the car for free if you promise to buy gas from only one company for the next X years.
@ K Chang
Time to refer back to the original point.
You said:
I countered with the Insurance Industry distribution model IE: one-time sales and overrides can be VERY lucrative.
I stand by that statement and it DOES apply.
Now, if you want to discuss the benefits of Solar to the client, terms of the agreement etc, that would be a different topic entirely.
However, at first glance, I see benefits for all parties involved.
Its sort of like an obtuse triangle – Sun City, Customer and Powur Rep being the three sides and each benefits and contributes to its shape and form. Now, stop going in circles as that is just square man. 🙂
Okay, pardon for not following your terminology, because I’ve always been under the impression that insurance sales people works on commission.
While policy is sold once, the monthly premiums continues to trickle a bit of commission as long as the policy is renewed.
For example, a 70/5 commission structure would mean that if a client buys a policy at, say $100 a month, the agent would get 0.7*100*12=840 first year, and 0.05*100*12=60 every year if the policy was renewed.
According to the Powur model above, there is no residual in the sense of renewal. Any “residual” is due to recruitment of additional lead generators.
Thus I don’t think they are “comparable”, esp. if you end up recruiting in the same social circle.
If your recruits are in the same social circle, they’ll all go after the local leads, then we’re back to “not consumable” issue, right?
An interesting concept indeed.
I do know of a coworker who was sold on a Solar City system who was told his solar output would be a certain amount, and upon installation he did see a reduced bill.
Much to his surprise, the system did not perform through the year as expected (maybe due to tree growth?) and at the end of his system year, he received a bill for $1000+ to cover the amount of usage his system failed to produce during the period.
I’d also consult an actual roofing contractor prior to installation to see how they feel about the ability of your roof to support the extra weight over time. A few people I know had some additioal reinforcement added after the install.
Solar is all the rage right now in California – but I think I’ll wait until the panel efficiency gets a bit higher than it currently is before taking the plunge.
another issue that crossed my mind today was municipalities allowing solar to begin with. I know my town council just passed an ordinance (it was not allowed before) allowing homeowners to solar/wind alternatives (pending plan approval of course). I’m sure my podunk town isn’t the only one with ordinances originally against it.
The video says $299.00 for the training, which, as I understand it, is required to qualify for the MLM “residual solar contract commissions”.
I’ve seen a couple of other reviews that say $199.00, e.g.,
playersmoney.com/powur/
So as I understand it, as a (no cost) “advocate” (“partner” in your review), you are entitled to the $250.00 per signed contract however, to qualify for any MLM “residual commissions”, you require the $299.00 (or $199.00) training.
I don’t see a problem with signing up as a free “advocate” and trying your luck at selling the solar installations.
But if it was me, I’d want to get a better understanding of where the money for the MLM “residual commissions” is coming from before shelling out cash for the “training”.
@ K Chang
I give you A for effort but a C- on your conclusions. Some agents are paid salary but the majority are on commission ONLY.
Most Life Insurance Agents also sell other insurance related products and some of them do pay decent renewal commissions.
One point to consider: The Annual Lapse Rate for Term Insurance is 6.9%. That means, out of 100 policies sold this year, 93 will be in force next year and about 87 the next.
So, it is rare that an Insurance Agent can rely on renewals from this type of sale.
However, the TRUE RESIDUAL comes from offering other products and services to EXISTING clients.
This is my point (see initial post) about what Powur is attempting to do. They want to build a large customer base of Solar City clients and then offer these same customers other energy efficient products, like the PowerWall (battery), Tesla, etc.
Can Powur attract and retain a sales force based on their current model? It is possible but no slam dunk either.
The MAJOR MLM PLAYERS will not stick around due to the slow build aspect of the business. I would like to know the number of actual INSTALLS over the past 2 weeks.
My guess is that number is LOW.
Ah, NOW you’re making sense. But did you play a “true Scotsman” there? (haha just kidding) You’re saying that the “real” income from Powur is NOT necessarily sale of the solar panels, but all the “add-ons” and “related stuff” they can push once they got their foot in the door.
Which didn’t really conflict with what I said: Powur itself won’t make the affiliates much money.
@ K Chang
I checked out the Marketing Plan with Powur. In terms of overrides, if a Leader/Builder can build a sales team that refers 2,000 people a month who install a system, I believe they could earn $40,000 to $80,000 each month.
You indicated “Powur itself won’t make the affiliates much money”
So, what part of that equation do you find in error?
Is it reasonable to build a sales team that can create 2,000 installs each month? Would you consider $40,000 to $80,000 a month “much money”?
BTW, I referred to the additional products as an example of RESIDUAL income.
K Chang – – I typically enjoy and agree your posts. I think we are both on the same page here although we might disagree on a few of the finer points.
At least you have a sense of humor, which I appreciate and welcome.
IMHO, unless the team is dispersed throughout the country, and all in the sun belt, not very likely. And it’ll be fighting with other recruiters and DIY places like Home Depot and Lowe’s and such.
As I said again, this is not consumable. Each house only needs one.
IMHO, most sales affiliates will generate only a handful of leads… ever. Perhaps I’m being pessimistic.
@ K Chang
It can be done as Art Williams proved back in the 1990’s as long as they can attract strong leadership.
The fact that Home Depot and Lowe’s offers the same product is only a small issue. We see Insurance Marketing Organizations come along every year that are able to get their piece of the pie.
Some would argue the Life Insurance Industry is among the most highly competitive markets in the Financial Services business.
It comes down to strong leadership.
Your comment about it being a one-time sale is of little consequence, IMO. This has been demonstrated in so many other markets:
real estate, life insurance, auto, large appliances etc. Most people find it difficult paying for just one of each and the people who market to them do fairly well.
Remember, we are now learning the truth about a lot of MLM programs and what is actually driving their volume.
Are they selling consumption of products or hope and opportunity with the product being nothing more than the justification to move money from the hands of many to ONLY a few.
Viola – the MLM (broken) Model
not to mention all the spam phone calls from alleged independent sellers of same.
@ Whip
As I indicated in my initial post, Powur has a ton of competitors who are ALSO working with Solar City. It’s called the Solar City Ambassador program and is run by Jon Carson.
environment.yale.edu/news/article/former-obama-strategist-directs-efforts-to-new-movement-solar-adoption/
seekingalpha.com/article/2777535-solarcity-spreading-like-wildfire
businessforhome.org/2015/07/solarcity-signs-up-100k-solar-ambassadors/
FROM THE ARTICLE:
So, why bother paying the $299 to become a Partner with Powur when the Ambassador Program is free. Plus, with Powur, if you sign up for the Free Advocate program, you CANNOT refer others and receive overrides.
And, there are other Referral Type programs that compete in the Solar market too:
It will be interesting to see who wins the battle between Jonathan Budd (Powur) and Jon Carson (Ambassador Program) for marketshare.
They both are playing on the same team and are competing for the SAME customers.
Conclusion:
How long before the referee blows the whistle on Solar City for having too many players on the same field?
Major asscts are booking … Budd changed the comp plan with no priors and folks are not getting paid and blown off by Budd and Bobby Scott.
This compensation plan is not nothingng to work and recruits will spin their wheels trying to make it happen.
@Robert
You don’t buy from a middle man.
As a Powur Advocate/Partner you provide leads for Solar City. You get rewarded for qualified leads, again if that lead leads to an install and residual over installed systems.
The idea sounds good on the surface, but the economics simply don’t work. Solar City is a company losing tremendous amounts of money (look at their financials) and now that the govt is not subsidizing solar as much, Solar City is hurting even more.
You are taking a huge gamble by promoting Powur to people you know because of this. There are much better opportunities with much less risk available.
Someone mentioned several prices to join Powur ($199. – $299.)
Over at the Powur.com website, when someone is invited to check out a short video presentation, if they choose to click on a box seeking more information, they are directed to consider joining with one option – a credit card. $499.00.
Has anyone else seen this amount?
It would be nice if a Powur Partner and Powur Advocate took time to comment with verifiable information in order to clear up some of the confusion. And of course it would nice to hear from actual customers willing to share their experiences regarding the entire process they went through.
As it is, after reading 32 comments, I’m not thinking about it as hard as I was. I’m now leaning more towards the Solar City Ambassador Program & the EnergySage Ambassador Program.
As far as I know you can still join Powur as an Advocate which is free. (someone correct me if I’m wrong please).
This means you yourself can try to interest people around you to (often but not always) get $0,= upfront solar panels through Solar City and provide leads – through so called live phone tranfers- that will eventually lead to actual installs.
If you want to build a team of people doing the same you pay the $499,= and become a partner.
This, as in any MLM, means that you also receive commissions from the qualified leads/actual installs your advocates/Partners generate.
The Live Transfers are the only way to get possible leads in contact with Solar City which, in my opinion, makes you a glorified telephone operator “hold please, I’ll connect you”.
And because you have to dial in for team calls and announcements/support calls from HQ it means that it’s only a viable option for U.S. residents.
I believe the Ambassadors program also has a tier structure although less deep than Powur’s but you can simply speak to prospects,put their contact info in a list, send it and
Solar City takes it from there (providing they’re not registered on a do-not-call list.)
I don’t know what the Ambassador prog. commissions are.
The biggest problem I have seen is a $500 cost in joining with a company,when im struggling myself. Not a selling point.
I def didnt go with that. My rent alone is $550 a month on top of heavy debt.
request for current status of Powur.
Website still up, Alexa ranking: ~800,000. Not bad, not great.