Speak Asia press releases digitally manipulated
I’ve always been suspicious about the Speak Asia Marketing “official’ Blogspot blog. I mean, here is a company engaging supposedly ‘the best lawyers in India‘ to defend them, and with over a hundred million netted from Indians over the scam, they need to rely on a free blogspot blog (that anyone can set up) to put out updates?
To date, the only suggestion that it’s not an outright fraud was when AISPA Secretary Ashok Bahirwani stated that it was official a few months ago.
Not having any reason to believe the website was a fraud, we took Bahirwani at his word.
Yesterday, after almost a month of silence a press release was once again put out over at the Speak Asia Marketing blog (speakasiaonlinemarketing.blogspot.com).
A quick analysis of the latest press release severely draws into question the authenticity of an update – and further analysis all but squashes the possibility that Speak Asia themselves are putting out these press releases.
At least not in any official capacity.
First and foremost is the fact that no company management of Speak Asia have gone on the record to recommend the site explicitly to anyone. AISPA Secretary Ashok Bahirwani swears by the site but nobody from Speak Asia, specifically CEOs Harendar Kaur, Manoj Kumar or COO Tarak Bajpai, have ever mentioned the site
This despite the fact that the former two’s signatures have appeared on some of the press releases uploaded.
The latest December 4th press release raises eyebrows due to the content itself. First and foremost are the noticeable typos of ‘Mr. Melvin Cresto’ (which should be Melvin Crasto) and the second, the mention of ‘Justice P.N Lahoti’ (R.C. Lahoti).
Secondly Speak Asia then apparently fail to recognise the difference between civil and criminal action, mentioning that the
arrest of Mr. Melvin Cresto, President of the AISPA and also the arrest of Mr. Ashish Dandekar, Regional Manager of our company… are highly deplorable as they come in the back drop of the mediation process already set in motion.
Both of these arrests have nothing to do with the civil action initiated Supreme Court mediation process (the Lahoti Commitee). Crasto and Dandekar were arrested by the EOW in connection with the criminal investigation the EOW are currently undertaking into Speak Asia.
The two have nothing to do with eachother and are not related.
One is the arrest of Speak Asia officials in connection with alleged criminal and/or suspicious activity, and the other is a civil action initiated mediation process between panelists demanding their money back and Speak Asia.
Now from anyone else, both of these errors could be construed as simple mistakes – but from Speak Asia themselves?
It’s been well circulated that allegedly the lawyers of Speak Asia are advising all parties involved on what they can or can’t publish about the next upcoming Lahoti Committee hearing.
Given that this press release mentions the Committee, it then stands to reason that Speak Asia would have naturally had their lawyers go over the press release before it was published. And what, the best lawyers in India failed to pick up on the spelling mistakes of Justice Lahoti and Melvin Crasto and failed to make a simple distinction between the civil action and criminal investigation into the company?
Highly suspect I’m sure you’d agree and certainly worth demanding an explanation over.
Unless of course the press releases have just been doctored by some senior panelist… or possibly AISPA themselves.
Error level analysis works on the basis of
if you have a jpeg photo at 90% quality, and resave it, again at 90% quality, you will end up with an image at 90% of 90% (so, 81% quality).
If now, you were to copy and paste an element from a different photo into your current photo, you can end up with sections of the image at differing quality levels.
This happens because some parts have been resaved three times, whilst some parts may have only been saved once.
Using this method we can analyse the Speak Asia press releases as they are uploaded as images, rather than documents. In analysing the press releases, had they have been signed at the time of their publication and uploaded, one would imagine that the entire image would have been saved the same number of times and the resulting error level analysis would show an image with a universal quality level.
Not so.
Here is how the latest 4th December press release looks under error level analysis:
As you can see, the text body of the release along with the Speak Asia logo, signature and company footer, have been copied onto the white background as separate blocks and then saved as an image.
Of particular note is the signature itself. With Speak Asia’s management in hiding, as of late Speak Asia’s press releases have simply been signed with ‘SpeakAsia Online Marketing Team’.
Interestingly, the December 4th signature has been copied and pasted a total of
Here’s how it looked on yesterday’s December 4th press release:
How it appeared on November 10th:
And again on October 6th:
As you can see, the original (in color) appears to have been first used on October 6th and then reproduced for the November and December updates.
Other ‘official’ signatures appear to have been digitally recycled on Speak Asia’s press releases too.
In including a signature on the press releases, the author is obviously attempting to convey the message that these releases have been signed off on as they were printed. This implying that they are ‘officially’ approved for authorised distribution and count as an official statement by the company.
Now if they’re being recycled and simply copy and pasted, this is clearly not the case.
Furthermore, who exactly is then doctoring up these press releases and releasing them – and are they doing so at the behest of Speak Asia or of their own accord.
Either as an individual or group of person(s), nobody seems to even know who ‘SpeakAsia Online Marketing’ is, nor how they appear to be recycling the signature of Manoj Sharma Kumar or on what authority.
Obviously if Manoj Kumar himself was signing off on these press releases, why wouldn’t he just use his name (as has been done in the past). It is also noted that despite looking like ‘Sharma’, the Dec 4th signature looks nothing like the signature that has been credited to Manoj Kumar in the past (example, 19th Septemper update).
Given the major inaccuracies of the last press release, I’m pretty confident we can rule out Speak Asia’s legal representation along with company management. Remember that nobody has seen Manoj Kumar or Harendar Kaur for over six months now.
So that leaves who?
One possibly lead might be found in the arrest of AISPA President Melvin Crasto. Crasto, who was arrested almost two weeks ago now, was remanded to custody of the EOW for failing to explain a recent $3000 payment by Speak Asia.
Perhaps some sort of contract existed between Crasto and Speak Asia to put out press releases and now with Crasto behind bars, he had to get one of his lackeys to put something out – on the eve before his bail application court appearance no doubt.
A transparent effort to drum up support after it was revealed over the weekend that Speak Asia CEO Manoj Kumar has well and truly abandoned India and with Seven Rings International has moved on to investing in other scams abroad?
Or perhaps it’s yet another outsourcing project. It wouldn’t be the first time Speak Asia outsourced their work, I’m sure the revelation that Speak Asia’s surveys were being doctored up from Wikipedia and other free article directories within Mumbai itself is still fresh in everyone’s mind.
Of course if anyone else has any other theories or explanations I’m all ears.
As it stands we’ve got press releases which are obviously digitally manipulated, have been signed off on using signatures that are at least a few months old and the author of which remains mysteriously anonymous.
If Speak Asia want us to continue to believe they are the ones putting out these press releases in an official capacity, I think at the very least we’re owed an official explanation don’t you think?
Another giveaway: the ‘stamp’ that says SpeakAsia? EXACT SAME ORIENTATION each and every time. PROVES it’s a cut-and-paste job. NOBODY lines up a ROUND stamp that way.
Oz, you didn’t mention the filename issue! 🙂
Come to think of it, shouldn’t the acting COO be signing press releases?
Where’s Anju? I’m sure she has a wild theory on this. Maybe the Speak Asia marketing blog was actually started by SpeakAsian enemies and Bahirwani was really a space alien. 😀
The PNG thing? I figured PNG was commonly enough used today that it’s not a red flag on its own. There’s nothing stopping whoever SpeakAsia Online Marketing is from putting out press releases in PNG.
The signature is no doub the same, just look at where it intersects the ‘O’ in ‘Online’ each time. It’s the same block copy and pasted.
Manoj Kumar and Harendar Kaur probably had nothing to do with the site or the press releases. Why would this company who made hundreds of US dollars have to rely on a free Blogspot site?
Anyone representing the capacity (an honest senior panelist) could probably appeal to Blogger (ID required that you officially represent Speak Asia, or I’d do it myself) that it’s an imposter site and get them to verify ownership.
Speaking of Bahirwani – he went into a bit of an unexplained panic last night;
Wonder what that was all about. Maybe the $3000 kickbacks extend beyond AISPA?
Oz,
Two anticipatory bail applications bearing no. 1240/2011 and 1241/2011 were listed for hearing on 03.12. 2011 in the City Civil and Sessions Court in Mumbai.
The anticipatory bail applications were of Aashish Shendurkar of Indore and his brother in law Amit Velankar of Dadar, Mumbai and both of them are part of my uplne and are in the list of the accused in the FIR filed by me. The two anticipatory bail applications were earlier listed for hearing on 03.11.2011; 15.11.2011 and 19.11.2011.
I believe that interim relief had been granted to both of them and they were directed attend the Police Station from 21.11.2011 to 02.12.2011. I also believe that on 19.11.2011 the matter was adjourned as their advocate Abad Ponda was busy in other important matters.
On 03.12.2011 I had gone to the City Civil and Sessions Court in Mumbai with an intervention application to oppose grant of any orders granting them anticipatory bail to them.
Advocate Abad Ponda and advocate Mrs. Singh of Phoenix Legal were present in Court when I reached the Court. Advocate Ponda left the Court before the matter was heard. When the matter was heard advocate Mrs. Singh of Phoenix Legal submitted to the Court that they were withdrawing the two anticipatory bail applications bearing no. 1240/2011 and 1241/2011 of Aashish Shendurkar of Indore and his brother in law Amit Velankar of Dadar, Mumbai.
Advocate Abad Ponda and Phoenix Legal are very expensive advocates and were representing the accused in the Qila Court in Mumbai after their arrest earlier. Who pays for these advocates?
Anticipatory bail application is filed only after an accused or a person under investigation in a crime fears that he may be arrested. Did they receive intimation from the Police that they would not be arrested?
In the Bombay High Court I had submitted an Intervention Application in the PIL filed by the All India Speak Asia Online Panelists Association and submitted therein that AISPA had submitted falsely in its Petition, amongst other submissions against Speak Asia and AISPA.
I had clearly stated that Speak Asia was engaged in conducting fraudulent online surveys which was a cover for its money rolling scheme. When the matter came up for hearing I had not reached the High Court as I was under the impression that it would be heard at 3.00 pm. AISPA withdrew the PIL and I did not get an opportunity to be heard.
Is this a coincidence? There are two clear facts:
1. In any case AISPA cannot represent that by default it represents all the panelists of Speak Asia.
2. Up to the shutdown of payment on 12.05.2011 – about six months earlier – Speak Asia was engaged in only conducting fraudulent online surveys which was a cover for its money rolling scheme.
I state this everywhere – orally as well as in writing in the Courts / Police – because it is the only truth. Any Court can ask AISPA and Speak Asia to account for perjury if it has written contrary to these two irrefutable facts if they have submitted otherwise in the Court.
225 panelists of Speak Asia have filed Writ Petition no. 383 of 2011 in the Supreme Court of India and Speak Asia has supported their petition. You had brought out on your blog that the Speak Asia website claimed the Supreme Court had been informed that they were running a business similar to but better than Ebay.
The matter is now before Hon’ble Mr. Justice R. C. Lahoti and there is absolutely no information of how the matter is proceeding as well as the submissions in the proceedings.
Is it because the two following clear facts have so far not been brought to the notice of Hon’ble Mr. Justice R. C. Lahoti:
1. In any case AISPA cannot represent that by default it represents all the panelists of Speak Asia.
2. Up to the shutdown of payment on 12.05.2011 – about six months earlier – Speak Asia was engaged in only conducting fraudulent online surveys which was a cover for its money rolling scheme.
I had personally of the informed Mr. Rajvardhan of EOW and the Investigating Officer Mr. Shelke that some panelists of Speak Asia have filed Writ Petition no. 383 of 2011 in the Supreme Court of India and Speak Asia has supported their petition. I had also informed them that they had been impleaded by the Hon’ble Supreme Court and the claim that Speak Asia was similar to but more refined than Ebay. Yet nobody has represented the EOW till now.
Big question why EOW is absenting itself from the proceedings?
Somebody should go the Supreme Court for the proceedings to highlight the correct picture. An advocate had started Aneeshsharma-lawyer.blogspot.com for representing the victims of Speak Asia but has strangely not put out any further news on the progress as well as the dates of hearing after 17.11.2011?
I think some of the investors of Speak Asia who feel cheated should ensure that they are represented before Hon’ble Mr. Justice R. C. Lahoti? Any suggestion? My contact is speakasiainvestors@gmail.com
Whatever’s going on gives us the feeling that this is beginning of the end for the Company SAOL. Everyone who’s someone in SAOl..(Company officials/Top Panelists) is running around like frightened chickens in the courtyard..trying to save themselves..the biggest case of worry are those people who invested their lifetime savings or invested by taking loans in SAOL ..
will they get something out of this or SAOL is simply squandering money off with payoffs to everyone who matters.. I still see a lot of blind supporters reeling off volumes in favour of SAOL (JAI SAOL and all that balderdash).. I simply pity them as they still seem unaware of what’s going on outside their SAOL world..
Off course the SAOL releases are doctored.. anyone with a good head on his/her shoulders can see that..the Signatures are too precise and made excatly at the same position in all the letters..the clampdown off info on the net all over of latest updates and the meeting with Justice Lahoti is courtsey OZ/Chang/Observor/M-Norway..
too much truth has been written on this site and logic is irrefutable hence it has become very dangerous to the master minds of SAOL as more people (read Panelists)are visiting this site ..this site which is now surely creating doubts in their minds about SAOL authencity..
such is the panic going on that people responsible for these releases are making mistakes like you guys mentioned above..I knew that December,11 would be rocking but you guys are hitting Sixes (In cricket ..i.e. the Maximum no. of Runs that can be scored off a Ball) every hour.. In the first week itself..you guys have scored more than anyone else…keep it up..
Ashok Bahirwani: Hello Good Evening Speakasians i want to talk to Mr. Rajesh Singhji of AUSPA (ALL UTRAKHAND SPEAKASIA PANELIST ASSOCIATION). I need to talk to him immediately.-soapbox
hahaha, i think more than ashok bahirwani you have gone into panic mode.
if he is trying to get in touch with a particular panelist why get so excited.
ashokji has been very active on facebook yesterday trying to gather cheques for payments to our recently appointed senior criminal lawyer mr srikanth bhat and for a lawyer to represent aispa in the justice lahoti committee.
supreme court lawyers do not come cheap.
and don’t worry help is pouring in .
it is quite possible that the bail application of the two gentlemen mentioned by mr khosla is due to the writ filed by aispa last week.
it seems all sides are dissatisfied with the eow’s behavior.
I Choose to ignore the fact that Official letters are fake, CEO is cheater, business logic is ponzi scheme and company is the biggest mlm fraud in India
Anju is right, Ashok Bahirwani is now collecting money from panelist here in India
And their boss Manoj Kumar is busy collecting money in Brazil and making Brazilians, Proud to be a Mister Colibri.
Now they have changed every thing
http://speakasiaonlinemarketing.blogspot.com/
@andy
soon soon, all things will clear up.
why believe soapbox, when my justice lahoti and my govt agencies will inevitably be on my side soon?
i have total faith in our time tested and mature institutions excluding of course the police [which is very corrupt].
since the saol business model is within the ambit of the law, it will inevitably get the required clearances ,at the most with some changes.
now the company has been badmouthed too much and the eow is hounding every body connected to this company ,so i know it looks bad ,and i totally get where you’re coming from.
but this too shall pass,wait and watch.
Instead of telling all this shit can you answer one simple question – How the mistakes in scanned document can be changed?
There were mistakes when the letter was posted and now it is gone. (I already know anju’s answer. blah blah blah blah)
ashokji is collecting CHEQUES in the name of our counsel mr.abdi so all questions about collections are to be addressed to mr abdi.
legal battles of this magnitude cannot be fought on a wing and a prayer.
your style of casting a pallor of DOUBT over everything is almost comical and your intent is so obviously apparent ,that your credibility takes a compete beating.
Maybe it’s a code to tell the guy to run as far away as he can. Who knows? 🙂
Why, Bahirwani isn’t doing a good enough job?
And why would the writ filed by AISPA be cause for two people to fear for arrest to request for anticipatory bail? I thought you’re in the AISPA, Anju? Don’t you know what the writ says? That you have to GUESS it’s the cause?
One mistake and I know they will change it soon – One letter dated 7-oct-2011 is posted on date 6-oct-2011. How the hell you can post the letter from tomorrow? May be speakasia has a time-machine.
(anju’s replay on this blah blah blah …… )
Ok go on I don’t mind.
I am continuously refreshing their blog see how fast they can change the mistake 😉
Unless Bahirwani has taken up a new job as debt collector for Abdi, let’s call it for what it is – AISPA begging panelists to pay its legal expenses so that they can represent them behind closed door and keep them in the dark.
What happened, after Crasto’s $3000 payment was exposed did the company stop paying AISPA altogether?
Huh? But I thought we will definitely win. I mean what, we were bound to win weren’t we. Surely standing up in court and stating ‘I am proud to be a Speak Asian, jai Speak Asia’ is enough for the court to throw out all charges against Speak Asia and declare management to be national heroes?
What’s the world coming to when people have to actually defend ponzi schemes in court beyond simply stating they are legal and will definitely win?
If the shoe fits. Legit company’s don’t have this much drama, controversy and legal action engulfing them. Everyday I wake up and see there’s more dubious behaviour and activity to write about.
Your style of blind faith in integrity of Speak Asia flies in face of every piece of evidence available is so obviously… devout that you’ll may be recruited by religious researchers to study what did SAOL do to your brain to inspire such devotion.
Also regarding the newly uploaded document, it’s the exact same signature lol.
You can clearly see it’s getting more and more faded the more times they copy and paste it (which is strange in itself). The signature text really stands out against the bulk of the freshly doctored letter.
Anybody got any idea who’s signing off on these documents as ‘SpeakAsia Online Corporate Marketing’?
Oz, I do have to point a problem with your analysis.
You can’t do ELA on a PNG file. ELA only works on JPG (because JPG is lossy), and if you converted the PNG to JPG the analysis would be invalid. You have enough to prove the signature block is cut-and-paste. I recommend removing the ELA portion of your analysis.
ELA works on measuring the error level as an image is saved many times with a reference point. Different parts of an image that are edited/added at different times will save differently over a period of many resaves when compared to the original.
I’m saving the entire image as a whole from the original PNG so from what I understand not affecting the outcome. If I created a white background and copied the various portions individually then I might have a problem but saving the image as a whole shouldn’t affect the outcome?
If an unaltered image from another format was resaved as JPG the image as a whole would still maintain an overall save state that wouldn’t show up in ELA right as no matter how many times you saved it, all areas of the image would still have been saved the same amount of times and show no level of difference detail that could be measured?
The ELA tool measures the the overall loss as an image is saved many times and relies on compression. So long as the image is kept intact in its original form, I don’t see the problem.
I did run the original PNG through another tool and it detected that the image had been photoshopped to sharpen things, but I think it was just detecting the difference between the blurry signature and the digitally included body of the letter.
edit: Stupid ELA tool is down so I can’t run the new letter through it, saving the imgUR link here for later – http://i.imgur.com/QkNmV.jpg
This new letter is hilarious, I’m finding a hard time believing it was written by anyone other than a senior panelist. It just reeks of a lack of professionalism one would expect from an official press release from a business.
I don’t remember reading that yesterday so it seems to have been added today. Hilariously shallow attempt at driving emotional manipulation there!
It was nice work by Andy, Sameer, M_Norway, Brazilian along with K. Chang & Oz doing this kind of deep extensive research against this fraudulent company and publishing the facts here.
Yes, I’m accepting company has done some big fraud by seeing the working nature from the start and its okay – let me accept or come to final conclusion as company has involved in fraudulent activities before Govt. Of India – Supreme Court / High Court announces it has done it…!
But, One thing I don’t understand. For what purpose these people who hasn’t involved with the company (name mentioned above) sending all these facts against this company so interestingly one after another i.e. keep on finding, sending and creating these reports by spending their valuable time leaving all other personal works.
For me, again it has created so much of doubt by seeing the way each & every person named above doing this work. Now, still it is not clearly understood, something wrong in all sides..! Something fishy is happening in all sides. Final looser is the person who has put his hardly earned money into this fraudulent scheme.
BREAKING NEWS: People have interests other than those directly related to their financial bottom line.
Do you honestly not understand the mechanics of a blog about MLM and why these articles are here?
Agreed.
That’s pretty cool turn the investigations of BMLM has taken. Great. Keep on spending your time on these silly mistakes which will get rectified sooner or later you make a mention of it or not.
But why have you forgotten the bigger picture, question is that now?
Let me just explain the way of your working
1) When AISPA was collecting funds without coming on open forums you had an arguments as to from where the funds are coming. Now when AISPA has come out on open forum , you start quoting that act as begging. I don’t know how to put this act of yours in some words.
2) When we question 3 things and you answer only 1 , then it is acceptable but you ask 3 questions and we skip 1 to answer you start bla bla thing…
Keep on the unbiased work… Kudos…
thanks for all the tech talk ,i had a nice nap.
today the respondents in the rajmani pil did not show up in the mumbai court and the judge DISMISSED the criminal pil.
so now everything hinges on the supreme court lahoti committee and since the eow has promised to turn up for the next meet i can see the goal post clearly now.
@Sanjeev
Sorry, was that supposed to be an attempt to answer the original question? How does AISPA now begging for money answer where their money was coming from before?
$3000 payments to the President of AISPA aside, if you’re going to claim panelists were bankrolling AISPA what happened to them, were they bled dry or did they abandon ship?
@anju
Interesting news with the dismissal, I wonder why they didn’t show.
You mean everything civil.
There’s still the EOW, CID, ED, MCA, IT and SFIO investigations ongoing… my my, how selective you are. Not forgetting that we’ve already established the entire Lahoti Committee is useless seeing as civil action will never override criminal.
Much easier to bury your head in the sand and scream ‘we are bound to win’. Says it all really.
Much easier to bury your head in the sand and scream ‘we are-soapbox.
nope that’s not what we’re doing .we just know what is important and what really affects our case.
your hyperventilating about the quality of the company blog spot or seven rings internationals other interests in the world does not concern our judiciary.
rupert murdochs ‘news of the world ‘controversy did not harm his business interests in india in any way.
just as you have an incredible number of mlm’s in australia
which are barely disguised ponzi schemes and your govt chooses not to act ,each country has it’s own laws and different tolerance level.
if seven rings international feels a scheme like mr colibri can be run without govt interference in brazil, then they are free to go ahead.
they KNEW what would not run with our govt, so they were very careful to structure their business plan within the limits of indian law.
we cannot talibanize the whole world to soapboxview.
Dear me anju, if you’re unsubstantiated assertion that the EOW are going to rockup to the net Lahoti Committee meeting is true, what exactly do you think they are going to bring to the table?
The EOW have
But please… keep burying your head in the sand about what EOW involvement infront of a retired Chief of Justice in your civil matter would actually mean.
So how does ‘the biggest MLM fraud in the history of India’ (EOW quote) stack up on the tolerance meter?
Even if they’re bankrolling it with panelist money obtained via the running of an illegal ponzi scheme?
make sure they could run off with the money on a dime if the need arose. Which they did.
Jesus Christ, Manoj Kumar ran off with everybody’s membership fees and invested it to bankroll the startup of another ponzi scheme in Brazil – and you give them your blessing whilst simultaneously cheering on civil action hoping to recover said money.
Delicious, delicious irony.
. Not forgetting that ”we’ve”already established the entire Lahoti Committee is useless seeing as civil action will never override criminal.-soapbox
nope ‘we’ did no such thing ,you did it all by yourself with your pitiful knowledge of our laws.
the eow has finally relented to come hasn’t it.
leave it to us now ,we will resolve all our ‘disputes’ with them
o how does ‘the biggest MLM fraud in the history of India’ -soapbox
thats just a dramatic dialogue of our eow [we’ve all been raised on bollywood] .
they will have to prove it to justice lahoti and as he is not the press , he won’t just sit there and bat his eyes.
besides saol will refute them point by point.
Even if they’re bankrolling it with panelist money obtained via the running of an illegal ponzi scheme?-soapbox
nobody is interested in your inferences.prove it or shutup.
I’m just going to quote that because I can, I don’t think it needs a response. It’s hilarious enough on its own.
Well that’s easy, did Speak Asia make more selling surveys than they did from membership fees?
No? Ah well, case closed.
1. Manoj Kumar is credited as the prime investor of Mister Colibri.
2. Which business venture of his delivered a return of hundreds of millions of US dollars that was siphoned off overseas and rerouted to parent company Seven Rings, of which Kumar serves on the management team?
I’ll give you a hint, the EOW said they were the biggest MLM fraud they’ve ever had to investigate. And as evidenced by the arrest of Melvin Crasto and Ashish Dandekar along with fears of more ‘we’re the effective unofficial management of Speak Asia now but officially we’re just panelists’ Speak Asia employees being interrogated and arrested, they weren’t kidding.
Sorry, did you just ask me for proof? You’re the one crapping on about goal posts and speaking on behalf of the EOW that they will bother to turn up to the next top secret Lahoti Committee meeting and predetermining what Lahoti’s response to this will be.
How about you bring some proof of your own to the table hey.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” — Edmund Burke
(NOTE: Usually misattributed as “All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
speaking on behalf of the EOW that they will bother to turn up to the next top secret Lahoti Committee meetin-soapbox
well they told the court magistrate they would be coming.
you mean there’s a chance they were lying in court?
Why don’t you disprove him, Anju? Maybe because you can’t? Maybe you’re just relying on faith?
@chang
where’s the point in proving or disproving hypothetical postulates pumped out by soapbox on an hourly basis?
have to save my energy for saol and aispa.
bye.
@anju
So you say.
According to you the Rajmani PIL was withdrawn 2 weeks ago too. Oh and what’s that, still no proof to back up any of your claims?
So that’s what you do there.
Mystery solved.
Then why did you make this comment at all? Just to make some noise?
According to you the Rajmani PIL was withdrawn 2 weeks ago too. Oh and what’s that, still no proof to back up any of your claims? -soapbox
Grrrrrr.
NEVER said it was withdrawn two weeks back
the judge asked them to withdraw two weeks back
since at the end of two weeks they decided not to return to court ,the judge dismissed it.
this should be updated on the high court,mumbai website by the end of the working day.
check it out for yourselves.
i’m off to find something to punch.
This has been updated..
http://bombayhighcourt.nic.in/casequery_action.php?auth=bV9oYz0wMSZtX3NyPVImbV9zaWRlZmxnPUNSJm1fZmlsX25vPTAxMzE5MDAwMzAyMDExJm1fc2tleT1DUlBJTCZtX25vPTMwJm1feXI9MjAxMQ%3D%3D
DISMISSED FOR NON-PROSECUTION/DEFAULT AT ADMISSION STAGE
Default judgment against them because they didn’t show. Sounds fair enough.
With AISPA passing the begging bowl around obviously all this legal action is costly, maybe they just couldn’t afford it anymore. Not everyone is receiving $3000 kickbacks from Speak Asia.
Anyway I’m sure we’ll find out why sooner or later.
Anyway I’m sure we’ll find out why sooner or later.-soapbox
there is NOTHING to find out .
the supreme court has decided that it sees the saol matter as a mere dispute because NOT one agency turned up in court with any complaint/charge against the company, and NO agency turned up in the supreme court even asking for more time to book saol.
if you use common sense and logic and follow natural justice like our supreme court does this would mean that the saol matter is merely a dispute or misunderstanding and can be resolved amicably.
in fact in the writ filed by aispa last week, and updated today ,we have questioned the impunity of the eow in continuing to arrest people in this case in view of the supreme court order.this writ comes up for hearing on the 9th and furthermore the next sitting of the lahoti committee should also be around this date, so very soon this free run of the eow is going to come to a screeching halt.
So the real culprits get behind the bars and our friends, family members, innocent peoples can be saved from such fraudulent schemes. Are you saying that helping others for a good cause is waste of time? Should we allow to run these type of cheating without opposing it? Or you are suggesting that such things only concerned to those who are being cheated.
It is not about mistakes, someone is deliberately providing false information, diverting peoples into wrong direction, and buying some time so traces can be erased and the cheaters can go underground.
hello boys and girls ,this is actually the point where NO DOUBT remains that saol has won.
there are only three pertinent questions left to be answered-
1]how much time will it take for the company to restart operations
2]what changes ,if any, will be suggested by the rbi
3]who is the real power behind the media onslaught and the criminal pil anf fir.
the antecedents of rajmani have already become clear -he is apparently a ‘social worker’ with no record of doing social work.
time will bring all other truths to the surface too.
I really wonder why nobody answering this question.(proud speakasians)
@andy
yah ,we have a time machine.if you behave we’ll take you for a spin and drop you off with the dinosaurs.
Can you clarify what *we* means? You are saying you are involved in this.
I think that senior panelists have earned a lot of money and now they are frightened. After all if when things will get clear they are the people who has to answer to their friends, family members and other people.
Sooner or later this is going to happen so better start to prepare now, because then silly excuses will not going help.
@andy
1]’we ‘means speakasians and speakasia
2]i am not a senior panelist
3]i have no downline
4]the company is going to restart ,so everybody and their friends and family will be rejoicing and not complaining
Hope so. Good luck for that.
There is only one sentence in this regard – ” You will have to always been in suspicion because you are a yield of suspicion”
@Rana Ravinder Singh
once the supreme court clears saol with the consent of the rbi,mca,income tax and the eow is tamed by the supreme court,
nobody will ever look at saol with suspicion again.thankyou.
@anju
The PILs handled by the Supreme Court and the criminal investigation are different matters. When the PILs are finished in SC, the investigation and prosecution will still continue as normal.
The agencies didn’t meet in SC because they didn’t have to. It wasn’t the criminal charges that were presented there, it was the PIL.
In most court systems the case will be
* investigated by one or more agencies
* prosecuted in a lower court if they find something to prosecute, or dismissed before the case is even tried in court.
* appealed to a higher court. Some cases may go directly to the higher court.
* appealed to a Supreme Court, in some cases.
“Use common sense and logic.”
* They haven’t finished the investigation against SpeakAsia.
* The case hasn’t been tried in lower/higher courts
A Supreme Court don’t handle the question if you are guilty or not, it handles questions about how the lower courts have handled the case. They evaluate if the sentence is correct, too.
I’m not familiar with the system in India, but they seem to have the same court system as other “Commonwealth States”. The only thing I wasn’t familiar with was the PIL handling in Supreme Court, and the Lahoti Committee.
@Rana Ravinder Singh
I am very suspicious that people lying, hiding information and diverting the attacks are thief but….. until I find some proof I should not write something about it.
Buddy, almost everybody on this blog have told this to anju. She will never answer your questions honestly and will divert the topic.
see for yourself.
Rajmani shukla has file a criminal pil against state of maharashtra , to take action against SAOL , now this petitoner himself not present in court today when hearing have to be made , so hon judge dismiss the criminal PIL of Rajmani Shukla.
In short now that particular FIR has to be cancel by the concern authorities as case has been dismiss.
Anju, seriously what on Earth is wrong with you?
There is currently civil action against Speak Asia taken by panelists – and this is the Supreme Court action. You do realise the multiple investigations by other departments (including the EOW) have nothing to do with the civil action in the Supreme Court don’t you?
Whatever the Lahoti Committee decides is irrelevant if Speak Asia have charges filed against them and are found guilty.
This SFIO report is due out by the end of the month, and again it’s got nothing to do with the civil action panelists have launched nor the Lahoti Committee.
Honestly if you don’t understand that you’re living in a dangerous bubble. And one day that bubble is going to pop.
@Rana
Well that was a lot of waffle. Anything useful to add or just that only gullible people fall for scams?
The criminal investigations are independent of the PIL. The IT and ED aren’t just going to pretend Speak Asia isn’t guilty of money laundering and tax evasion just because a PIL was dismissed.
Nor will the ED close their case either. And then there’s the MCA, CID and SFIO too… These all don’t just disappear as these are criminal investigations, and the Supreme Court certainly isn’t going to squash them, with or without the Lahoti Committee.
A participant in Justice Lahoti’s mediation meeting held on November 28, 2011 gave the following feedback (before the “official version” was released by AISPA and SAOL controlled blogs).
It appears that the amount offered to be deposited by SAOL may be quite small and disclosure of its quantum may disappoint the panelists. Hence the attempt by the Company to keep the proceedings confidential in order to avoid any revolt by the exiting panelists.
So from the sounds of it, as predicted the Supreme Court action and Lahoti Committee has no bearing on the criminal action bearing down on Speak Asia as the investigations continue.
Oh and what is it they owe in RP’s, 30,000 crore or something wasn’t it. That payout is going to be hilariously underbudgeted when people realise the money is sitting in Mister Colibri accounts in Brazil.
Mr. Oz,
I have lost borrowed money after paying for the Speak Asia surveys. But I am waiting for the return of the money as assured by AISPA and the supporters on your website as well as on Facebook. I will join facebook.
If I do not get my money committing suicide is an option that has to be examined. But only after I meet the offcers of AISPA and the supporters on your website as well as on Facebook.
Please help the helpless. The Police or eow has not gone to the Supreme Court as yet. what to do?
Oz,
When the Supreme Court of India has impleaded CBDT, I Tax and EOW as parties on 17.10.2011 and Mr. H. P. Rawal, Addl Solicitr General of India has accepted notice on their behalf in Writ Petition (Civil) no. 383 of 2011 then there is no reason for not appearing in the proceedings on the next date – 14.11.2011 – four weeks later. The order is easily viewed on the Supreme Court website. Jai Mr. Internet!
I had personally informed the EOW. Impleaded means they have to appear. Period.
Why are the Government agencies permitting this abuse of the Supreme Court of India by not submitting the ongoing investigations and the facts about the criminal offences committed?
I as the complainant in the FIR pursuant to which the EOW has commenced investigations and arrested many persons. Till this evening EOW had not given the details to me for recovery of the money invested by my company in the fraudulent survey scheme of Speak Asia.
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The parent company of MTV was offering $35,000 per week. May be Bill Gates was the first *panelist* of MTV a.k.a TFI
http://web.archive.org/web/20040610191407/http://www.teameffortinternational.com/rep/compensation.asp
“potential maximum of $35,000 per week.”
This is what it looked like in 2005
( http://web.archive.org/web/20040615072253/http://www.teameffortinternational.com/rep/aboutus.asp )
now everything was decorated to suit with a good MLM ponzi scheme. And yes before some years back it was not an MLM company
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voiceofasia.in
opinioncounts.in (interesting)
usa10dollar.com
indianpaidsurvey.in
talknwalk.com
uttaron-mpl.com
server.yashgrup.com
This makes some sense.
I didn’t find much ‘public interests’ in many of the questions related to a PIL.
* SpeakAsia is a scam, not a company.
* Scams do not pay ‘salary’, they pay ‘rewards’ or something when you bring more money (people) into the scam.
* The only money that is ‘lost’ is the amounts PAID by participants, their ‘initial payments’ and ‘additional payments’ to participate.
* Participants actually don’t have legal claims for money they have been ‘rewarded’. It’s illegal both to run a scam and to participate in scams. You can’t expect to ‘get paid’ for illegal activity. It’s legal to be fooled by a scam, but it isn’t legal to get paid from a scam.
There is a lot of ‘conflict of interests’ in this case.
* It’s not in public interest to reward someone for the ‘work’ of recruiting other people into a scam.
* It may be in public interest to recover some of the money lost in a scam. NOTE: Reward money isn’t ‘lost in a scam’.
* There’s also some public interest in collecting tax and fines, and to seize illegal money (money that is involved in or derives from illegal activity). Money LOST to a scam isn’t illegal money, it needs other types of ‘involvment’ to be illegal.
The Lahoti Committee:
* Have heard claims from panelists, and offers from SpeakAsia.
* They’re awaiting claims from Government agencies, if they have some claims.
* Then I’ll guess they will file a report to the Supreme Court.
* Then the Supreme Court will make a decission.
Lahoti Committee and Supreme Court is only about some of the money, and has nothing to do with any criminal charges. ‘Some of the money’ is 137 crore or something, the amount that was frozen in India. It may include some of the 900 or 1000 crore siphoned out of India, too.
NOW EOW DOESN’T HAVE ANY RIGHT TO ARREST ANYONE OR CALL ANYONE FOR INTERROGATION AS THE ONLY CASE REGISTERED IN THE STATE OF MAHARASHTRA HAS BEEN DISMISSED BY THE HONOURABLE JUDGE.
I too want to ask the same question Khosla Ji?
First of all i’m not a Speak Asia member like you, but many of my friends unknowingly made as a victim into this scheme, trapped into this fraudulent scheme without acquiring proper knowledge, now they are coming to me for help,
I personally feel & the fact is.. giving complaints to EOW & Police will not help in recovering the money what they have invested, because of the only reason that EOW & Police has not recovered even a single penny and given back to the investors from a cheat / fraud MLM company till this date in India. It hasn’t happened ever in the history of MLM in India., how it’ll will happen only in this case?
Like you, I also suspect EOW for the only reason – Why EOW is not submitting atleast the preliminary report in front of the Supreme Court’s Lahoti Committee. Why they are simply delaying? Is that with a purpose! i don’t understand,
OK., they have been given a time period to finish their investigations on the company a long time before, i hope that time period has finished a long time back, but still not even a single report these EOW has submitted in High Court as well as Supreme Court’s Lahoti Committee stating that these are the criminal offenses Speak Asia has committed. Still, they are investigating these things..! Like that..!
Personally, we can understand easily that this company has involved in fraud and they would have been doing money circulation all these days., but why this EOW is not coming away with their reports, it’s really confusing, I’m also asking the same thing, i accept your question which is 100% correct, hope after seeing this comment from both of us EOW will go to the Supreme Court & submit their report so that case will finish soon! That is what everyone needs..!
Oh, sure. Someone releasing “press releases” that claim to be “official” from SpeakAsia, turns out to be Photoshop jobs, and your reaction is “silly mistakes”.
Thank you for clarifying your opinion toward SpeakAsia: you are in support of silly mistakes.
Clearly you can’t seem to appreciate the fact that EOW is BUILDING a watertight case against SpeakAsia (they said so themselves). They haven’t officially charged SpeakAsia yet. Don’t celebrate just yet. There’s still charges from IT, CID, and so on.
When they’re ready, EOW will file a PIL and THEN we’ll see about how you feel then.
@Navniit Kkhosla
Government agencies seldom MEET in courts, in person. They’re very often represented by some written statements.
If they have presented “We do have claims” or “We may have claims” in their first notice, they don’t have to send further notice in every meeting. They have to specify their claims within a deadline before the final meeting.
This method is common in cases related to claims, especially when a claim is well documented. It is common for other than government agencies, too.
@anju says company is going to restart its ponzi business. Great!
Shelke says EoW is coming with its criminal petition in December. Great!
AISPA says Silence Everybody! Great!
Only the panelists do not know what the hell is going on. Great!
And this beggar Ashok Bharwani is looking for alms! For whom? The Lahoti committee has been formed due to Solomon James & Othrs case in Supreme Court. Seems like Ashok of AISPA is looking for alms for himself!
Dear K.Chang, Did Rajwardhan Sinha tell you or Inspector B.P.Selke tell you all these? Dear Chang, please, don’t crack a joke, I can’t stop my laugh on your jock…….
Now,EOW has become COW……. in front of Mr. Lahoti. Now, your support is going to CBDT, I Tax etc.Dear friends,they all kept their mouth shut earlier but if you think something in your favor from them…. let’s see what happens.
Your local newspaper did, but then, you don’t believe in newspapers, do you?
I thought cows are sacred in India? Apparnetly Mr. Singh don’t believe so. Is he really an Indian? 😉 (it’s a joke, lighten up!)
@Sanjay
Suicide over $200 is not worth considering. Suicide should never be an option.
As far as we know the SFIO report from the MCA is due out mid Dec as stated by them. The Supreme Court has nothing to do with this investigation so it should proceed as normal.
Wait till the end of Dec as if no further word is passed along as to the status of these investigations even I’d have to question them, maintaining of course that on business model alone Speak Asia is still an obvious ponzi scheme.
Surround yourself with friends and family in the meantime, we all make mistakes and investing $200 USD in ponzi scheme isn’t the end of the world.
@Navniit
I’d say its got something to do with discovery. Speak Asia compliance in the Supreme Court only extends as far as such that they are dying to know who to hide from the police and see how far along their money laundering trail investigation is.
As evidenced with the Mister Colibri Kumar fiasco, which was pulled within 48 hours after being revealed, you can see Speak Asia is taking a pro-active stance on hindering the criminal investigation given the opportunity. The EOW not appearing robs them of any such opportunity.
Even if they do show up to the civil case I imagine it will just be to say ‘we’re still investigating’ and that’ll be the end of it. KInd of like how the RBI just sat there in spectator mode without really contributing anything.
@Sanjeet
Yeah… because it’s not like there’s an open criminal investigation open into Speak Asia.
Hey guys, go out and commit crime – it’ll all be ok so long as nobody files a PIL against you. The police have no right to investigate you according to Speak Asia members.
You must have missed the part where the ED and IT said they were going after Speak Asia of money laundering and Income Tax fraud about a month back. Everybody is waiting on this SFIO report from the MCA in the meantime before filing anything.
@jutamaro
Paypal don’t do MLM payments last I checked.
Yes, yes they did.
The same article does mention the filing of chargesheets in November though, which didn’t happen (new evidence led to the arrest of Crasto), but to answer your original question – yes, yes they did.
@nitya ritesh,
In the history of MLM in India, no company approached the supreme court to make payment to its members, except SPEAKASIA
@viniben
You are an idiot. Think before you pen down a post. Where is the money to pay panelists. Where is Rs3000 crores just to pay membership fees back to panelists? It is Rs30,000 crores if Speak Asia intends to pay the reward points to the panelists.
Other than lies all this AISPA and others just want to start this ponzi/chain money scheme again against the laws of the country so more people are made suckers.
I, a panelist, only want Haram Khor behind bars in India for cheating. And this will be possible only if Navniit Kkhosla does not withdraw his criminal investigation in Mumbai High Court on basis of which EoW is pursuing the matter currently or EoW files its own criminal case against Speak Asia.
A civil case even in the Supreme Court will not have precedence against a criminal case in a High Court.
Except SpeakAsia don’t claim to be MLM any more, do they?
Now, now, Jutamaro, insulting an idiot only makes him or her angrier (or the insult is ignored). Only INTELLIGENT people examine the issues. So don’t call the other side an idiot. You need to assume the other had has a brain to understand your point, or else you wouldn’t be writing, right?
(Yes, there’s a LOT of sarcasm in this comment)
@jutamaro,
you are greedy. You never associated with the activities of the company, never went for any trainings, therefore you have jumped to conclusions.
@Kasey
That and Speak Asia never approached the Supreme Court, they were summoned to answer civil legal action against them.
@viniben
Because only people ‘inside’ a pyramid scheme could possibly get it, right?
So police cannot arrest SAOL members because they never associated with activities of company or gotten company training, yes?
Proves that your reality is on a different plane of existence. Maybe Jutamaro is right… you just may be an idiot.
NO.
anju says saol will restart it’s legal and commercially viable business very soon.
but the great thing is that,this legal civil petition provided a great platform for saol to explain it’s position to the supreme court and demand justice.
a writ petition has been filed in the mumbai high court for which senior criminal counsel shrikanth bhat has been retained.who’s going to pay,my abba?
aispa has impleaded itself into the justice lahoti committee a senior lawyer is needed there too.
you needn’t pay juta ,apparently you’re the kind of person who has a good time while the going is good ,and changes his position immediately when some problem comes up.
i wonder what position you will take when the company restarts it’s operations. i bet you’ll sit back and enjoy the fruits of speakasians labor.
it’s all right, we are strong enough to carry the burden of a few freeloaders like you.
Demand justice? lol. Speak Asia didn’t get to demand anything. They rocked up to answer legal action taken against them, lied to the court and when and if the EOW get involved those lies will be exposed.
You can’t perjure yourself infront fo the Supreme Court claiming to use a buisness model you never used and expect to get away with it.
were you there in the supreme court,soapbox?
saol demanded to know why it was not allowed to pay panelists and demanded to know why it could not restart it’s business.
the only person who claims saol committed perjury in court is you,some guy in taiwan who has no access to any court proceedings.
this is just so terribly laughable and equally horrifying-that you can ‘rock’ up to your computer and make such silly claims. or that you have a ragtag bunch of supporters that actually feed off your lies.
this debate is now going round in circles.see you tomorrow when melvyn is finally released, the poor poor man.
Speak Asia has not taken the case to Supreme Court, initially they went to Supreme Court but Justice Katju have rejected taking their case which was already in High Court, he told the following things which also came in Headlines Today News.
If you think Headlines Today was wrong, Another two links in Twitter will confirm more..
While hearing Speak Asia matter Justice Katju observed ‘’..U have defrauded the public now face it!!..’’
https://twitter.com/#!/Legal_Point/status/109527704491147264
SupremeCourt refuses any relief to Speak Asia which saught consolidation of criminal cases against them
https://twitter.com/#!/Legal_Point/status/109527501407133696
Actually, Speak Asia case has been taken to Supreme Court by Solomon Jemes and associates, later on Speak Asia pushed to accompany him with the case..
For your information what i told is different..
I’ve told..
EOW & Police has not recovered even a single penny and given back to the investors from a cheat / fraud MLM company till this date in India. It hasn’t happened ever in the history of MLM in India., how it’ll will happen only in this Speak Asia case?
If anyone is having proof they can write in this blog so that we can follow the same way to recover the money what many people have lost in this fraudulent scheme.
So, i think you have already decided your money is gone, you won’t get back even a single penny from the fraudulent company, only thing you want is to punish Haren Kaur by making Govt. Of India to issue Red Corner Notice. Am I right?
Yes, you might be correct, not might be, you are correct, EOW & Police has not recovered even a single penny and given back to the investors from a cheat / fraud MLM company till this date in India. It hasn’t happened ever in the history of MLM in India., how it’ll will happen only in this Speak Asia case?
…were you?
Do Speak Asia always ask stupid questions they already know the answer to?
They already knew why, the banks were rejecting their transactions because they wanted nothing to do with them.
aaaand I’m going to cut you off there, because we all know Speak Asia never used the product based business model they explained they did in court.
Ie. They lied and committed purjury.
Didn’t bother reading past that line as it’s irrelevant.
The case is already in courts of India and how will this be restarted against the laws of country ? i fail to understand.
O My My…. What an understanding!!! Solomon James and Associates have filed a civil suit to claim the money back from Speakasia and Speakasia is a respondent not accompanied by Solomon James,,,????
What is wrong.. Let the things happen..
No days are Far Away!! Chill.
Wait and Watch ..
Barking Dogs Seldom Bite 😉
Oz,
For the benefit of the investors in the fraudulent online survey scheme of Speak Asia I would like to clarify that the Criminal Public Interest Litigation (Cr. PIL) no. 30 of 2011 was filed in the Bombay High Court by Rajmani and it was apparently dismissed as Rajmani as well as his advocate on record Vinod Chate were not present in the hearing. It may be restored if Rajmani applies for setting aside this order and the Hon’ble High Court accepts the plea for restoration of the PIL.
The PIL has no material connection with my FIR.
The arrests of Speak Asia management, etc. have been effected pursuant to my FIR. It could have been any other person’s FIR. The Police have to record a separate FIR for all the persons who submit a complaint in the matter of Speak Asia and all the persons named in the FIR will become the accused. I am not aware whether they would be awarded punishment separately in each and every separate FIR/case.
So my FIR is not really all that important though I may not be permitted to withdraw the same as the Police have done a lot of work and some of the accused persons have been arrested.
The important thing is that the EOW seem to have conducted extensive investigation and this knowledge is in the public domain but to my knowledge they have not submitted even an interim report or summary of facts to the Hon’ble Supreme Court (even in a sealed envelope) in Writ Petition (Civil) No. 383 of 2011 even after notice for impleadment was accepted by the Additional Solicitor General on 17.10.2011 on behalf of EOW. Why?
Has EOW been stopped by any one? If yes, why and by whom? The Supreme Court is the Supreme Court! No politician or Government Officer or advocate can interfere or delay the response / immediate implementation of an order of the Supreme Court under any pretext! Also no officer of Mumbai Police can slow down the investigation or the zig zag the investigation in this matter to delay the filing of the charge sheet.
This order can be viewed on http://www.supremecourtofindia.nic.in.
I hope that many people write to Hon’ble Mr. Justice R. C. Lahoti their story and also how they have invested and their present disastrous situation. We must also write to Hon’ble Mr. Justice R. C. Lahoti and request that the minutes of the meeting as well as the orders passed are put on the net for the benefit of the lakhs of Speak Asia members.
Sending a written prayer to the Hon’ble Judges in Court No. 3 hearing Writ Petition (Civil) No. 383 of 2011 is also an option. Or should we write to both as we do not know the reason for the total lack of information from Speak Asia and their drummers. The victims who have collectively lost such a large sum of money must now stand up by themselves or collectively for their rights.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant! Speak Asia and their drummers want peace and decorum to be maintained. The most peaceful place is the graveyard. I do not want to end up there. Speak Asia and their drummers must be exposed to sunlight!
That’s pretty much the key statement rendering all these assertions that the Supreme Court is somehow the only thing that matters kinda useless.
The Supreme Court action is civil and has nothing to do with the criminal side of things. As such it will always take a backseat and that’s why nobody is getting paid (if they are at all) until all matters are concluded, criminal and civil.
Lahoti’s jurisdiction in all of this is to establish a dialogue and report back to the courts. His report will go something like
which we already knew anyway. What else is he going to say?
He can’t order the EOW, ED, SFIO, MCA, CID and IT departments to drop their criminal investigations and pretend nothing happened just because some senior panelists want their ponzi scheme to start up again.
Common sense people… common sense.
@Kkhosla
It seems that if Justice Lahoti keeps on hearing one side of the story only..his report to the Esteemed Supreme Court may be based on the balderdash the drummers of Saol give him ..specially when they start comparing the Co. to E-Bay etc..and what great Public Service SAOL is doing by giving easy livelihood to Millions of people of India ..what the Govt. could not do..
high time the EOWs got to him to show the correct picture..you being an integral part of this Matrix can question the Eows regarding the ongoing investigations ..well you can always try to at least get a hang of the things going over with them..the picture might get a little less murkier then…
The more this matter drags on, the more time the offenders will get to cover up their tracks efficently..
Well anju’s mentioned the EOW are coming to the next meeting, although how credible that is who knows. Apparently this meeting is on the 12th (next monday).
Meanwhile that SFIO report is due out sometime this month. If the EOW need more time at least the MCA have stated they’ll file charges once they have the SFIO report. I’d imagine the ED/IT departments will follow.
@soapbox
it is pointless to debate this further , until somehow ,somebody can get it through your head that with the impleadment of the eow, civil and criminal matters have been clubbed and will be heard together in the lahoti committee and the supreme court.
the eow may have done extensive investigations ,and arrested everybody in sight ,but allegations are only allegations at the end of the day and without proof what chargesheet can they file.
the question of someone stopping the eow does not arise ,seeing they are fully in ‘lets arrest everybody ‘ mode.they are just lost ,poor guys.
the other govt agencies have also done their homework on saol and have not come up with any charges.
the rbi is already on our side.
the question of whether saol had a product based model IN PLACE at the time the shit hit the fan ,is INVALID if you study the business plan of the company, so complaining to the eow or justce lahoti about this will be of no use.
aispa and the vocal supporters of saol have done a very fine job up until today ,and now that we have reached the final stage for inevitable victory,there is a great sense of achievement in every speakasian who has supported this movement.
we will not forget that melvyn went to jail for us.there is a strange story about his arrest, but i will bring it out only when the dear man is free.can’t risk the eow doing something to him.
from the time of the next lahoti committee meeting when things start to move along at a fast pace, i’m sure there will be lots of good news and cheer on all forums .
you were proved wrong when you said the criminal rajmani pil had nothing to do with aispa’s civil pil. well the withdrawal from our side was the reason that pil was dismissed.and both are gone because of the supreme court order in saols favor.
wait,you will be proved wrong in the supreme court too.
saol is not a fool .it has thought out carefully and meticulously every step of it’s strategy, and has left everybody agape with it’s deft legal moves.
These are some interesting facts in case of different PILs. All these data is copied from court website.
A) Rajmani – Criminal PIL
Do I have to write anything about this? This is self-explanatory.
No wonder if he withdraw his petition.
B) AISPA – Civil PIL
As you can see EOW was present in this hearing and have clearly mentioned their opinion. So it is a lie that EOW was not present etc.
C) SOLOMON JEMES & ORS. – Civil PIL
As you can see EOW and ITD are instructed on 17-10-2011 in this order, in this particular case.
D) AISPA – Civil PIL
My Opinion:
From (B) & (C) above Speakasia tried to open the banking channel using AISPA as front end and saying that they wanted to pay the panelists. For this reason Lahoti committee was set up by court. If the banking channel is opened it is beneficial for Speakasia (I am not sure about panelists) and if not then also they will buy some time and further delay the investigation.
Meanwhile due to (A) and some FIR lodged by some panelists EOW started the investigation and they arrested Speakasia’s operators and some members of AISPA who EOW think are directly associated with Speakasia.
As soon as such members of AISPA (or Speakasia) realized that their plan to reopen the bank channel got backfire and now they are in trouble they have dropped the PIL. Now to save themselves they have filed another PIL to stop EOW to going further in investigation.
This means AISPA was never interested in recovering panelists money otherwise they have not withdrawn their PIL (B). If anyone has correct information about this step of AISPA please reply with facts and with proof (a web-link will suffice).
We know from the beginning that the Speakasia ship will sink, just have to wait how longer it takes.
There is so much information provided on this blog, so no need to repeat silly excuses. Feedback with logical and/or factual data is always welcomed.
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PIL In Indian law, Public Interest Litigation OR जनहित याचिका means litigation for the protection of the public interest. (Wikipedia) So (B) and (C) cannot be considered as PIL it’s a consumer dispute between customer and a company. But the problem comes when no banks are allowing transaction from Speakasia anymore. RBI has not *told* anyone to freeze any account which can be seen from the RTI published sometimes ago.
@anju
Oh dear.
Seeing as no government agency has as of yet publicly filed charges against Speak Asia, what exactly has been clubbed together?
The Lahoti Committee is a civil mediation process between panelists and Speak Asia, nothing more. It won’t be hearing anything criminal related. Nor will the Supreme Court (under the current Speak Asia non-criminal litigation before it)
Who do you think did the legwork for the ED/IT departments? The RBI have only ever stated they were looking into Speak Asia’s foreign exchanges, they can’t actually investigate Speak Asia on a criminal level.
How they can they be ‘on your side’? I don’t see them rushing to retract their circulatory which explicitly warns the banks of getting involved in Speak Asia.
No it isn’t, because the actual model Speak Asia used is what counts, not the airy fairy promises of models they never used.
To date nothing was clubbed together and the two PILs remain seperate. And it was dismissed due to non-showing of the plaintiff, it had nothing to do with your civil action.
It’s a bit hard to make bullshit up when the judge explicitly mentioned the reason for disimissal is that the plaintiff didn’t show.
Of course not, they’ve already run off with their money to Brazil and gotten on with their new scam.
The only fools here are the people in India who still support them.
@ Anju
“we will not forget that melvyn went to jail for us.there is a strange story about his arrest, but i will bring it out only when the dear man is free.can’t risk the eow doing something to him.”
You are talking about Mevlyn going to Jail for “you guys” as if a Mahatma Gandhi went to Jail for the freedom struggle of India..wow..it is surely a height of Obnoxiousness..phoooh you surely have some ideas and ideals in your head..
and “Rbi is on our side”.. Have you got written proof of the same or again this is another one you pulled out of your hat..I wonder how many more tricks you are holding up your sleeve..Has RBI specifically written to SAOL/Panelists that they are giving a clean chit to all the operations.
I mean have they written that Millions of Dollars sent out of India was for a valid reason and permission from RBI was taken to do so..!!!
Everytime you write something ..you end up with a mysterious note..revealing enough to arouse curiosity but covering the rest..maybe,GUYS, we are seeing our own Indian version of Agathe Christie….wonder what happens at the end MISS..LOL!!
anju says saol will restart it’s legal and commercially viable business very soon.
That means Anju knows that, SpeakAsia was running a illegal and commercially unviable business upto the time they were caught. This business is called a PONZI scheme.
The more funny aspect here is what is a commercially viable business, changing FAQ and saying we were paying reward points and we dont pay cash.
These rewards points have to be used on saol website to buy products or services.
The products were advertised saying they were german products, but we all know they were made in china by hisense.
Even by any chance speakasia starts they have already changed faq and will not pay for reward points, instead ask panelist to buy cheap chinese products at premium price plus they can use 20 percent reward points and pay 80 percent cash.
All this was disclosed by a speakasia certified Senpie panelist.
So i request all those who listen to anju like panelist, please dont get shocked even after speakasia restarts which anju says, and you dont end up receiving your payments.
What do u want soapbox?? r u gonna fetch up our needs??
Stop howling like a lonely wolf in the jungle. .
@Mr Y.
Wow I missed that quote.
More proof of the dodginess of this company and its members who will do anything to hide relevant information from the authorities. No wonder a judge has given the EOW custody for 2 weeks.
If it’s serious, chances are the EOW already know what anju knows and this is what they’ve been using to convince a judge Crasto is a flight risk. Who knows how much further dirt there is on Crasto, Ashish Dandekar and the rest of the senior panelist crew. $3000 kickbacks from Speak Asia was probably just the tip of the iceberg.
While they withold information, and working with Speak Asia’s lawyers to impede the authorities investigations, these same clowns go and cry about how long the investigations are taking. All the senior panelists are as guilty as eachother and in on it.
@layman
That’s the beauty of it, nothing. I have no vested interests in Speak Asia, financial or otherwise. I just happen to cover the MLM industry and who wouldn’t miss the biggest MLM fraud in India going down?
@andy
your logic is so broken ,i’m not even going to attempt to repair it.
B is a pil
C is a writ petition
why dint you turn up in the high court mumbai, and tell the judge that B was not a pil.
how stupid of the judge to hear a pil for so many months without even knowing it was not a pil.stupid,stupid judge.
the world needs you andy.
did you know that if more than 5000 people sign up for a cause it automatically becomes a pil?learn up ,i say.
of course the eow will take a stand that aispa is involved with the management.it wanted the aispa pil to go away.
but they need to explain why there is only one fir against the company ,are 1.5 million people involved with the company management too?are the 225 panelists in the supreme court involved with the management too?
children,does it now become clear, why the eow was panting up to the press with wild allegations?they needed fir’s to prove that aispa is a company front, and the panelists at large are against the company.this is why, in a last ditch effort they have picked up a guy like melvyn.
did they get their fir’s?NO.
this is because,as soapbox will tell you, saol went door to door giving bribes to 1.5 million people.
@soapbox
you have firmly sat down your ass in neverland .there’s really no helping you.let actual events unfold and only that will prove to you how WRONG you are.
till then play your flute and dance with the fairies.
Nobody cares about FIRs. The lack of which have nothing to do with criminal investigations. FIRs can lead to criminal investigations but the lack of which certainly don’t negate any existing ones.
You really have a simplistic view of things and appear to be totally absorbed in your civil action, nobody cares – least of all the government departments investigating Speak Asia for fraud. When did your silly public litigation start? How many months ago?
And what, to date the RBI have only rocked up to one meeting – and they being the only ones not investigating Speak Asia and having passed on their finding to the ED, IT and MCA departments.
Yeah yeah, you idiots have been crying wolf for over 6 months now. Please continue to ignore reality, it’s hilarious.
hahaha.what a story maker you are!
when i say there is’ something strange about his arrest ‘,i mean something strange about the eow’s behavior.
thanks but soapbox still won’t pay me.selfish man.
@anju
There’s no story. The EOW picked up Crasto for $3000 kickbacks from Speak Asia, then after 24 hrs interrogation they had more than enough to convince a judge to remand him in custody for what has now been 2 weeks. Crasto’s interrogations have already led to the arrest and subsequent interoogation of Dendekar.
Who knows what else the continued interrogation of these two senior panelists has turned up.
@soapbox
Who knows what else the continued interrogation of these two senior panelists has turned up.
um,NOTHING.
just what turned up from all the other arrests-NOTHING.
To cite a recent example out of the many over the last six months, Crasto was arrested after the EOW found a recent $3000 kickback from Speak Asia. His subsequent interrogation then lead to the arrest of Dendekar.
This is what happens when you bury your head in the sand and guage legal action as the sole measure of progress of a criminal investigation before it’s even finished. Like I said, hilarious.
‘if I can’t see it, it doesn’t exist!‘
@soapbox
you can make up as many stories as you like –
Ozedit: and I’m going to cut you off there. Unless you’ve got some proof to back up your claims and stories, stop wasting everybody’s time with your nonsense.
IF it is PIL or writ petition that was not the point made by me.
Where is your proof?
Do you think they will tell anything they have want? EOW will only report with evidence.
Proof?
Funny if you know so much about PIL and Writ petition and don’t know what FIR means.
And my main point was – EOW was present in one of the hearing and everywhere you people are shouting “no any government agency was present” and that’s another lie.
This was from the same update
Does AISPA guarantee to give all the money back to all the panelists? If no then “dispute is settled” is not possible. Who guarantees panelists will get their money back? Their fake blog? I advise if the panelists wants to settle the matter anyhow first they should ask for written guarantee from concerned authority. Otherwise they may loose their money and same investigation may not start again.
After all you people have given them money, it is your right to ask for the guarantee.
If anyone has correct information about why AISPA dropped it’s PIL please reply with facts and with proof (a web-link will suffice).
Oz,
I telphoned Hon’ble Mr. Justice RC Lahoti as the complainant in the EOW FIR and Lordship was very kind in accepting to speak to me. Briefly I want to state and inform all the investors that Lordship has been pleased to state:
1. The matter before Lordship is mediation between the petitioners and Speak Asia and only the parties in WP (Cvl) 383 / 2011 would be permitted to participate in the proceedings and no information about the proceedings or the dates of hearing would be circulated publicly.
2. That any body interested in being impleaded would have to go to the Supreme Court for the same before he can attend the mediation proceedings.
3. The mediation process before Lordship is in no way connected to the present criminal investigation being carried out by the EOW, I Tax, ED and there is absolutely no bar subsequent prosecution.
4. The present mediation proceedings are for the panelists who have filed the case and all the related matters would be examined.
This means that there is no such thing as now that there is a civil proceedings so the criminal investigations will be stayed / come to a halt.
In any case the EOW, ED, I Tax, RBI, etc are parties and so, hopefully, the correct picture about the criminal offences of Speak Asia and its officers, etc will be highlighted and submitted in the future hearings.
It also means that the other investors in Speak Asia who have lost money would have to get together and get impleaded in the proceedings if they want to ensure that Lordship gets to hear about their horrible plight.
In any case Lordship was the Chief Justice of India and I am sure that Speak Asia and its drummers will not be able to mislead him.
Oz it is clear that there will be no stopping of the criminal investigations and subsequent prosecution.
Thanks for the update Navniit, always appreciated.
I’ve highlighted the hugely important bits of information direct from Lahoti;
What anyone with half a brain has been saying all along. The SC matter deals solely with payments and had nothing to do with criminal investigations or prosecutions.
The mediation process and SC action only seeks to benefit the panelists named on the Solomon PIL. Everybody else is on their own.
So all in all, what is it 200 odd members (how many are senior panelists?) are taking confidential court action with Speak Asia and telling everyone else it’s ok and keeping them in the dark about what’s going on.
Lol, no doubt all the admins of Speak Asia Powers and everyone working over at AISPA are included in the Solomon action so no wonder they’re telling everyone to shutup and just be patient.
We have 200 odd members trying to make backroom deals and 1,999,800 panelists on the outside hoping for the best in the face of multiple criminal investigations into the company.
No wonder anju and the rest of AISPA and the senior panelists are so cheerful.
Glad to hear the ED, IT are in on it too – seeing as both have publicly slammed Speak Asia for tax evasion and money laundering.
Thank you for the Update Navnit Khosla Ji & Oz,
Now it seems that Supreme Court’s Lahoti Committee is the civil case deals only for the payments that too only for the panelists who have filed the case in Supreme Court along with Solomon Jemes.
For remaining panelists???
Yeah, i too already know that it is no way related to the Criminal case which is going on with EOW.
It will be so nice if Navnit Ji & Oz help all the panelists outside waiting eagerly for their hardly earned money.
Whatever Oz is telling from the start seems to be correct & things were going as per his direction, It’ll be because of his experience in his field.
Oz, can you tell what will happen next for Speak Asia case, for me it looks like things will end up in bad shape – if these innocent members of this fraudulent company looses their hardly earned money then really it’ll be so bad..! Oh My God! How many families will be in big trouble, nearly five to six families in my office alone. Their status & position..???
It depends on how many panelists does AISPA represents, doesn’t it?
My personal feelings on Speak Asia? SFIO will report that it is the biggest pyramid scheme in India ever, and issue a formal complaint to Singapore and Interpol for arrest of all involved. A few SAOL diehards will protest in the streets, and the few senior panelists will scatter to the winds, if EOW didn’t get to them first.
As for the panelists, they will get SOME money back, but forget about the alleged “earned” reward points. Those were never real in the first place. They’d be lucky to get back half of the enrollment fee (or as Anju put it: e-zine subscription fee).
Oz: one note… to be fair, you should post a retraction about “AISPA refused to issue update on Lahoti committee”. Now that Khoosla has confirmed that it is indeed Lahoti himself that put out a gag order.
Still, why did Lahoti not make THAT fact public through an official channel… Hmmm…
Thanks a lot Navnit Khosla ji.
You have once and for all cleared the matter of what is happening in the SC appointed committe.
Now the question is why did Ashok Bahirwani or AISPA did not update everyone about this?
Seems he and they are also in the 220 panelist in the writ petition and is only interested in getting his money out.
Navnit, it seems speakasia mobi is following what you write.
They have put a message from Solomon James that the WRIT petition is not just for 235 panelist but for all registered panelist.
Now whether Justice Lahoti knows this is a question mark.
@Kasey
Lahoti said the mediation process wouldn’t be discussed but he didn’t mention why there’s a gag order. He might just be going along with it in the best interests of Speak Asia and those involved.
AISPA themselves have clarified they’re not stating anything regardless of what happens. They all know what’s going on though.
It’s kind of hard to ascertain who put out the gag order when all parties involved are adhering to it. If Lahoti is speaking to Kkhosla over the phone though, I think that’s a subtle hint he’s got no vested interest or benefit in keeping the details supressed.
@Sameer
Given that it’s his committee, whatever he says goes. I’d think his clarification takes precedent over James’.
@Nithya
I don’t really have any formal experience in this field, I’m navigating it one step at a time with what’s infront of me like the rest of you.
As for the other 1,199,765 panelists not currently represented at the Lahoti Committee, I’m not really sure what they can do. I guess I’ll maintain that with the EOW and ED tracking the money laundering operation overseas their seizing of funds is your best bet.
I can’t really say if whether launching your own legal action at this stage would be of benefit as it seems the Solomon James crew have convinced everyone they’re representing all panelists when Lahoti has only now clarified that they represent nobody other than themselves.
The problem here is… what is the meaning of “registered panelists”?
Registered AT SpeakAsia?
Or
Registered as a party in the lawsuit in the PIL?
Non-legal people (i.e. everybody except solicitors/attorneys and their aides) often use the wrong terms and gave very different impression for people who *do* know the language.
Unfortunately, only Solomon Jemes and his attorney/counsel knows the exact answer.
Solomon James blog http://united-speakasia.blogspot.com/ has been closed. No response from his email address either: united.speakasia@gmail.com. I think Solomon James and his panelists have come under the umbrella of AISPA which states in de facto manner at its website under About Us:
Who so ever is the Panelist of Speakasiaonline is by default the member of this ‘All India Speakasia Panelist Association’ (AISPA) and is entitled to get help and support from the said Association (AISPA).
That is why they state that they are representing 20 lakh panelists even if the panelists are not registered with them or are kicking Ashok Bahirwani’s arse for misrepresenting facts or/and gagging panelists inquiring about the happenings at Lahoti Committe. Like it or not panelists, AISPA is representing you. Therefore, shell out some money to keep AISPA going which may add as further loss to you in addition to your membership fees of 11k plus loss of now defunct Reward Points and curses from your gullible downlines who do not want to see your face again!
speakasiaonlinemarketing.blogspot.in 8 February 2012 Update contains the same signature, stamp, speakasia logo and address from previously mentioned (digitally-manipulated) letters. How stupid!