EOW reveal Seven Rings and Speak Asia 40/60 deal
Having lost their money and closely following the court action Speak Asia has been involved with in India, it’s easy for the company’s panelists to get caught up in a localised bubble.
Observers of the Speak Asia scam have known for a while now though that Speak Asia was merely one piece of a larger puzzle – that puzzle being the web of MLM scams operated by Seven Rings International for what appears now to be the better part of a decade.
Speak Asia is primarily linked to Seven Rings International through its Indian CEO, Manoj Kumar Sharma. Sharma serves on the management team over at Seven Rings International and was forced into the public eye mere weeks before the public crackdown on the company.
Through Seven Rings International, Sharma has also been linked to the AdMatrix scam (a ponzi scheme which Seven Rings launched in India in 2011) and Mister Colibri. Mister Colibri being a similar Ponzi scheme to the AdMatrix which is currently operating in Brazil. Sharma has been named co-founder of Mister Colibri by a company member.
Prior to Mister Colibri, Speak Asia and the AdMatrix, Seven Rings International and Sharma operated various other MLM scams in India too – although none of which enjoyed the same degree of success as their latest ventures.
With the link between Seven Rings International and Speak Asia being kept hush-hush by management and at times outright denied by Speak Asia’s senior members, the specific details of the relationship between the two companies has remained elusive.
We knew that Sharma served as management in both companies and that Seven Rings International, operating out of Dubai, is currently where Sharma is hiding as a fugitive coordinating Speak Asia’s legal activities in India – but specifics regarding the financial relationship between the two companies and the extent of Seven Rings involvement in Speak Asia remained a mystery.
Today the EOW revealed the specifics between the business arrangement between Speak Asia and Seven Rings International.
Seven Rings entered into an agreement with SpeakAsia Pte ( Singapore) and Haren Ventures Pvt Ltd. “Seven Rings offered to act as a publisher for SpeakAsia surveys but on the condition that they get 60% profit while SpeakAsia got 40%.
Seven Rings said it had a wider reach and the agreement would be beneficial to SpeakAsia. They promised to publish an electronic magazine (e-zine) too,” said the source.
Partnering with Harendar Kaur, if I had to put it all together I think it’s obvious Seven Rings masterminded the whole thing and figured bringing Kaur on board from Singapore would perfectly align with their policy of offshore management.
With access to Speak Asia’s website backend, the EOW additionally claim that ‘over Rs700 crore was laundered from India with help from Seven Rings.’
Presumably the result of analysis over the Speak Asia website backend and other Speak Asia related computer systems sent for forensic analysis in early January, the EOW claim that
SpeakAsia entered into the agreement in February 2011 to avoid tax agencies. Elia De Prisco signed papers on behalf of Seven Rings (and) Sharma signed them for SpeakAsia.
With Sharma serving on the management team for Speak Asia, the signing appears to be a contractual formality in an attempt to show that the two entities weren’t related prior to this agreement, despite the obvious fact that Sharma is heavily involved in both.
The investigative confirmation of a solid relationship between Seven Rings International is important as analysis of Seven Rings International’s other scams, they have previously admitted that they don’t have any actual clients. This means that 100% of the revenue generated by the company is via membership fees and furthermore means that commissions paid out by the company are from membership fees.
This is an obvious pyramid scheme and with Mister Colibri being launched after Speak Asia, there’s a strong indication Mister Colibri was modelled on Speak Asia as far as the claims of non-existant corporate clients goes. Thus meaning that Speak Aisa doesn’t have and indeed never had any corporare clients purchasing the company’s generated surveys.
Looking forward, while it appears money wise Speak Asia’s panelists are only interested in overturning India’s laws and support the move to legalize Ponzi schemes in India, the EOW clearly are trying to work out how to best approach taking down the largest international MLM fraud racket in Indian history.
With tentacles crossing at least four continents spanning Brazil, Holland, Singapore, India, the British Virgin Islands and Dubai – I don’t envy them.
Especially when you have characters like Ashok Bahirwani and his wife “Anju Agarwal” (a long-time commenter on BehindMLM who failed to mention her personal relationship and unavoidable bias this relationship carries with it), coordinating organised efforts on behalf of the company to hamper the EOW’s investigative efforts.
Furious at being repeatedly interrogated and their obviously emerging prominent co-ordination with Speak Aisa at a local level in encouraging panelists to remain dormant exposed, Bahirwani recently accused the EOW of taking bribes from panelists.
It is public knowledge that Rs5,000 is the going rate for avoiding police harassment. If these corrupt officers are able in collect the sum from every panellist, they would end up with a total ofRs1500 crore.
Accompanied with no proof, the above was submitted by Bahirwani as part of an All India Speak Asia Panelist Association (AISPA) writ recently filed against the EOW.
Bahirwani and his wife Anju seem convinced that the more time of the EOW’s they can waste, the more they can delay the efforts of the EOW’s investigation that will somehow result in detracting their investigative efforts against Speak Asia.
Meanwhile the Solomon James writ 383 presses ahead in the Supreme Court and, as reported earlier but denied by the petitioners involved and senior Speak Asia panelists, it has become all but clear that the action is limited to the serving the interests of those named in the petition.
As per the Supreme Court’s previous orders in the case, the EOW was to provide mediator R.C. Lahoti with data from Speak Asia’s website backend so that he could establish what was owed to the 115 named petitioners.
Pegging this figure at 50 crore (it is unclear whether this entire amount is what is owed in reward points or whether or not other liabilities of Speak Asia have been factored into the sum), Speak Asia has since deposited this amount with the Supreme Court as required.
In the peculiar facts of this case we direct respondent no. 6 (the EOW) to provide a print out of the data collected to the learned Mediator by 11/2/2012.
We request the learned mediator to ascertain how much amount in fact is due and payable to the petitioners and other authorities.
We direct the concerned respondents to deposit the amount indicated by the learned Mediator with the Secretary General of the Supreme Court within two weeks of the order of the learned Mediator.
Satisfied the money was deposited, the court has put the money into a security deposit (generating interest at the request of Speak Asia), whilst the mediation meetings continue (as per the courts orders) to establish what is legally payable to the 115 petitioners out of the 50 crore lump-sum and recommend this amount back to the Supreme Court who will then make a decision on the matter.
In pursuance to the directions of this Court, dated 6th February 2012, respondent Nos. 3 and 4 (Speak Asia and Haren Ventures) have deposited an amount of US $10 million by way of a bank draft bearing DD No. 037002 dated 20th February, 2012 drawn on State Bank of India, Singapore Branch in favour of “The Registrar, Supreme Court of India” in the Registry of this Court.
Learned counsel for the respondent Nos. 3 and 4 submits that this amount be deposited in a fixed deposit for a period of 91 days initially with the UCO Bank, Supreme Court Compound, on an auto renewal basis.
This request seems to be reasonable and we order accordingly.
Ashok Bahirwani’s wife Anju has repeatedly claimed that exit options are being discussed that would cover all panelists, but as of yet no mention of an exit option has been made in any court order.
If indeed an exit option is being discussed in the Lahoti mediation meetings, as per the Supreme Court order it is quite clear that the scope of the meetings pertains to the 115 signed petitioners.
Any assurance that what is decided upon in the mediation covers all panelists is mere speculation and an assumption. Most importantly, Speak Asia have not deposited any further money to date to cover such an exit option, nor has Lahoti apparently been tasked with calculating what is owed to the rest of the panelist base in exit option dues or otherwise.
Until that happens, anything discussed or agreed upon pertains solely to the 115 signed petitioners of the Solomon James writ 383.
In the interim the Solicitor General (on behalf of the EOW) are to file an affidavit in relation to the case (the contents of which are unknown) by roughly the 8th of March, upon which Speak Asia can file a reply.
Learned Additional Solicitor General undertakes to file an affidavit. She may do so within a period of two weeks.
Reply, if any, thereto be filed within two weeks thereafter.
It is believed this affidavit may concern payment and financial liability of Speak Asia to the rest of the panelist base, however this hasn’t been confirmed by any of the parties involved so the purpose of the affidavit remains unclear.
With the Supreme Court ordering a fixed deposit of the deposited 50 crore sum for 91 days however, it appears that they expect the task of sorting out the aftermath of the largest MLM fraud in Indian history has a long way to go yet.
Parts of the news seems to be fake and/or misleading in some points? Like the agreement in February 2011?
The owner of SpeakAsia (100 percent shareholder) is Podium Ring International on BVI, one of the companies connected to Seven Rings International from before SpeakAsia was registered. Haren Ventures only acts as an owner.
APEX panelists in SpeakAsia have previously been engaged in Seven Rings’ operations before SpeakAsia was created. They didn’t start doing surveys in February 2011, they started earlier. And so on and so forth, since I haven’t checked the details yet or analysed them.
At least the date February 2011 is misleading. February 2010 could be a correct date for an agreement between Seven Rings and Haren Ventures – or Manoj Kumar and Harendar Kaur – but I’ll guess a written and signed agreement only is made up to cover something.
Why implicate yourself unless you had to. I’d say it was all unofficial until Feb 2011, then they signed written contracts and made it official.
This may or may not have had to do with intentions of registering Speak Aisa in India (which never happened).
De Prisco and Kumar signing the same document. If it’s true, it definitely dismiss all claims that there’s no relation between them
Leave aside the entire investigation story you have put OZ, just tell me one simple fact, How & when did Anju became wife of Ashok Bahirwani. Till yesterday you were claiming that she is daughter of Mr. Ashok.
Keep your self created facts with your good self and don’t try to befool the general public by posting such fake and baseless articles.
@Oz
The contract in February 2011 can of course have been related to some tax issues, to be able to reduce the official revenue and reduce taxes (for Speak Asia, and in total for the group).
The method will also spread the risk if something goes wrong, like if Speak Asia’s accounts in Singapore had been frozen and seized.
Seven Rings International in UAE seems to be a dead end. I didn’t find any ‘FIZCO’-companies in the official Free Zones Companies Registries there at all. I didn’t find any “Seven Rings” there either, but I haven’t checked all FZCO-registries. If they have one or more companies in UAE I’ll guess they’re using other names.
When something seems to be a dead end, it’s usually not worth spending too much time on it, so I decided to avoid wasting more time on Seven Rings International FIZCO in UAE.
I’ve found “Seven Rings International / F.Z.C.” in the ordinary business registry in Ajman, UAE.
Listed as “Marketing Research & Consultancies”
subcathegory “Marketing Management”.
Source (link disabled):
ajmanchamber.ae/en/directory?SAID=1639
It popped up when I didn’t limit search to Free Zones registries, but used a more general search-method instead (googled “company registry seven rings international”).
@Sanjeev
I’d say it became official when they married. When that was you’d have to ask her.
Personally I couldn’t care less, but when you come on here full of misdirection and intentionally masking her position – it speaks volumes of her character. Especially since this has come up before in the past. No way known somebody not connected to Bahirwani puts in that amount of effort blowing his trumpet on here (no pun intended).
Also the fact that she’s running around accusing everyone of having dishonorable motives when she herself is neck-deep in bias is hilarious.
Contacting me about “death threats”, asking me to hand over IP addresses of commenters (I refused, as I refuse anyone who requests IP addresses) and declaring “who exactly i am ,is not a matter of interest.”
When you’re publishing so-called “inside information” people want to know where it’s coming from. Engaging Anju on here as Bahirwani’s wife is most certainly a matter of interest. It brings a whole new perspective as to where she’s coming from and why she relentlessly refuses to defend ponzi schemes.
Anyway, at risk of detracting from Speak Asia itself let’s leave it there. It’s out there and anyone replying to her can take it on board they’re engaging Bahirwani’s wife and all the connotations (AISPA, the EOW interrogations etc.) that brings with it.
@M_NorwayI wouldn’t be surprised if Seven Rings was traceable back to the Virgin Islands. They seem to operate in Dubai but where the company is actually registered who knows.
We never really knew who Anju is, only that she’s close to Bahirwani.
We suspected daughter because someone found reference to that being one of Bahirwani’s daughters’ names.
It’s certainly possible that Bahirwani’s wife took up her daughter’s name to come here and share inside info. Or maybe they share the same name.
The important question should be:
“Does Bahirwani know that she has been hanging around here (on this site) since August 2011?” 🙂
@Sanjeev Khanna
It doesn’t matter who is anju agarwal but the way she tries to ignore facts, hide information and twist everything is suspicious if she is a panelist. It looks like she is interested in just to misguide people who visits this blog just like ashok bahirwani on AISPA.
People like you and anju tries to defend speakasia using arguments here are totally different than what you say to other panelists in speakasia. See what you have written on your blog
http://sanjeevspk-blog110609.blogspot.in/p/various-income-options-speak-asia.html
Where you talk about panel subscription instead of ezine subscription, fix survey income, huge referral income, multiple panels
instead of
marketing, product purchase, advertisement, consumer empowerment …. Etc ….
One interesting thing on your blog is the Income proof you have posted. INR 40015 deposit on 16/3/2011 and INR 73033 on 19/3/2011 via NEFT from Singapore. Is it real?
@ Oz..
Wow…I AM REALLY SCARED. Anju..wanting the IP Addresses of commentators here. That’s a new one..Looks like Anju will be sending EOW etc.. behind everyone here and suing them on behalf of Millions.
Anju..again let me remind you this a Democracy..where People are free to express their views and thoughts. What you are reading here are collective thoughts and Observations of Individuals separated by thousands of Miles but commenting on a common Interest – SAOL.
After this matter is over, they will comment in some other issue/issues. The best thing about this blog is that the Intellect of most of the commentators is quite high and most of the comments are backed by solid reasoning and logic unlike a lot of Websites where People are speaking from their Heart and not the Mind and disbelieve LOGIC.
I believe most of the commentators are least interested Monetarily with the outcome of the SAOL issue and hence stand nothing to GAIN or LOSE whatever the results of the SAOL Court case are.
This is a place where Collective Intellect is expressed logically over issues “believed” to be harmful for the General Interest of the People of any Country in the World. In this case it is regarding the People of our Beloved India.
I hope you sincerely believe in the Line “FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION”.
Shame on speakasia mobi. These people are sick, hateful and disrespectful. I pity on the people who supports this type of cheap activity (recent post related to Star news).
The speakasia case is a business situation where the management failed to execute the business operation in proper lawful way. It is a shameful act of the people behind speakasia mobi to try to make it personal.
This is a real eye opener about Anju!
All this while she went along while everyone assumed she was Ashok Bhairwani’s daughter.
I have today sent my intervention application in Civil Writ Petition no. 383 of 2011 in the Supreme Court of India. Notices have been sent to the advocates of Speak Asia as well as the panelists.
I have also prayed for the Court to decide whether the criminal proceedings will be affected by the proceedings in CWP 383/2011 as well as the mediation proceedings.
Time to bite the bullet and put a stop to the misleading posturing on the internet that the mediation proceedings effectively put a halt to all criminal investigation and proceedings
@Navniit Kkhosla
Can you tell us what happened up to now in WP 3611 or what is the view of the court?
I have written something else also on my blog which you have safely missed
Speakasia is a concept in which you can earn your livelihood without being forced to refer any one. And my stand has always been the same. You simply keep on earning in a slow and steady manner giving your opinions where ever required.
But if you are living in a social circle and are looking around, you find not every person is same. Everybody understands the things from their own perspective. Some people are good in referring and they use their referral skills, some are good in working on their own and they feel cheap in referring other people and the list goes on..
Hope you get the message. A request from my side that please Never again quote a part of the statement to justify your point. Just quote the full statement and you will be able to understand the thing in a better fashion.
The full extract from my blog is given below.
Just read it now and you will realise that the meaning changes all together than what you were trying to justify.
You missed this part buddy
and the income proof?
And quoting part of the statement was not *my* mistake you have marked the specific statements.
There is a marking on following statements too..
Assumptions for the following calculations :
1. You complete all the surveys provided to you through all the panels you have taken.
2. For giving you the minimum possible income figure we have assumed that you DO NOT refer anyone else in these following calculations . Obviously your income increases many folds if you refer more and more friends.
Yes I missed because this part I have taken care of that in my blog under caption Coming Soon…
Hope My blog start getting enough publicity now after you have highlighted which I always wanted to keep low profile. Thanks for the help buddy.
@ Andy As regards income proof , I clearly admit that I have taken this snap shot from one of the seniors in speakasia and I have not personally vouched the authenticity of these snap shots. But if I believe my seniors, these are for real and not fabricated.
By the time I could get those pay checks for my self all this mess started and hence I missed this experience of earning directly from a country outside India.
@Andy
An overview and links to all the court orders (before February 13.) can be found here:
@Sanjeev Khanna
A group of people doesn’t support their own livelihood if they have to pay for the money they are earning, pay more money IN than they are paid OUT.
Your ideas fails miserably if Speak Asia doesn’t have real clients that pays for the surveys. Without real clients the income will depend more on recruitment than on doing surveys.
Speak Asia won’t be able to pay if they don’t get fresh money IN from somewhere, and their source of fresh money have so far seemed to be from panelists (investing in panels and subpanels).
You are NOT paid because you are doing surveys, you are paid because enough new members joins Speak Asia and invests fresh money in panels and subpanels.
The definitions of a pyramid scheme doesn’t specify personal recruitment by ALL participants to make the scheme illegal. They specify that income must derive primarily from recruitment, and they doesn’t use the expression personal recruitment.
India may have different definitions, but people here are mostly talking about business models rather than the laws in specific countries.
i am pleasantly surprised to see that mr khosla has FINALLY decided to approach the mediation effort initiated by our supreme court, where he stands invited since october/november 2011 when the EOW was impleaded into the civil writ 383.
such a criminal waste of time.
but, better late than never.
i may be the father mother brother sister daughter wife aunt niece or neighbour of ashok bahirwani .
the facts of the case remain unchanged and my stand remains the same.
let us rise above petty gossip here. we have a case in hand.
SpeakAsia is alleged to be a PONZI scheme, not a pyramid scheme, as there is no personal recruitment requirement. The company is doing the transfer of money from the latecomers to the early-birds.
Latecomers are recruited by the company (through ads and referrals), not individual members and there are no “levels” per se.
(So while BizBasket is sort of correct, it is defending the wrong issue, which is what I said before)
@K.Chang
Speak Asia is a hybrid between pyramid and Ponzi.
Pyramid definitions doesn’t require ALL participants to recruit. They are mostly focusing on which activities the company’s revenue and payouts to participants derives from.
There ARE recruitment requirements, in the fact that the company won’t be able to pay if all participants stops recruiting and selling panels.
This can of course be replaced by centralized recruitment, but then 3 out of 4 income sources will be lost for participants (all the major sources of income).
Latecomers are mostly recruited through participants of different levels. A recruiter higher up in the system will be cheaper than a recruiter many levels down (because of the binary pairing system).
The levels are found in the binary compensation plan, where participants earn RP by creating “pairs” in their downline (like 5 panels sold in the left leg and 3 panels in the right = 3 pairs total = 60 Reward points, plus 2 sales carried forward in left leg to the next day).
The pairs is any level in your downline buying panels, and is limited to 20 pairs per day per ID ($400 per ID).
@anju
Until you clarify who you are, based on you potentially misleadingly using Bahirwani’s wife’s actual name I’m going to can any further comments from you until it’s clarified or you adopt a different alias.
I find it highly suspect that anyone but Bahirwani’s wife would be using a hotmail email address featuring her name.
Who is the proprietor & creator of this site? I think Oz! Can I know Why everybody in this site using dummy names?
Including anju agarwal, jutamaro, Oz, M_Norway, Brazilian, Observer, Mr. Y, Mr. XYZ & many people?
Why can’t they use their actual name?
It’s little difficult to understand many things in this blogsite: Oz residing in Taiwan very much interested in Indian matters also another person from Norway coming and giving detailed comment about Indian company as he’s having special interest in writing about Indian companies!
I find it is the biggest drawback with this blogsite!
All have their individual interest, their own freedom of expression and has all rights to express their views, thoughts and opinions. But why can’t we show our original name, original identity here! Unless a person is not showing that in this blogsite – whatever they write as their views, opinions, thoughts will not be accepted or considered as truth.
I don’t think my point is wrong? Why the owner of this blog site not giving his/her address, why those people working for this site (Oz & M_Norway) not giving their actual identity with their photograph, with their address.
Say for e.g., in MLM, If a company is running a business, before joining into the company we people see from where the company is operated and who is the owner of the company, background information of that company, etc., if we unable to get those details simply & totally we’ll neglect it completely.
Same applies here.. Behind MLM is a good blog website which gives useful information and resources to people curious about the MLM industry. As creator of this website clearly tells in ‘About Us’ session “I created BehindMLM out of a genuine interest in the MLM industry and a desire to provide the public with relevant and accurate MLM information, news and company reviews.”
That us very good & nice. But, If people want to believe the information what they are reading, they will be seeing from where they are getting those information. Who is that person writing or giving information?
From where he’s raising his voice? His identity? His photograph?
It will be nice if you provide those details and my point will be surely valuable for you and sometime it’ll develop your viewership ratings which will be so good for you. Also you have written as: “I hope you find BehindMLM a useful resource and feel free to leave any feedback below. Additionally you can contact me if you’ve got an further queries about the site, want to submit a company for review or for any general questions.” only after reading this I’m asking this question.
Please don’t consider me otherwise.
I’m just asking you: Why you want to hide or protect your identity as well as those people whoever works for your site & giving comments in your blogsite? Are you having any fear like the company which you are targeting might act against you in future? Waiting for your explanation!
The information published on BehindMLM stands on its own. It’s truthfulness can be evaluated independently and any reading are welcome to do so. I often provide the source material for anyone to check themselves.
As far as opinions go, everyone is welcome to comment anonymously and give their opinions – as I do myself. I’ve always maintained that should I ever start my own business opportunity or comment in an official representing one – obviously I’d be compelled to share my identity with people.
The source is what’s important here and in my own analysis the source is usually the company itself, or someone I’ve verified working inside the company or in some accompanying capacity I deem verifiable. Opinions do not need a source and you all comment here as you see fit (within the constraints of my own editorial approval to keep the discussion coherant and relevant).
You might not agree with the above, but it seems to work for most people and by and large the discussion here is open and honest. This isn’t just another MLM marketing site and I think the content and participation of readers reflects that.
“Anju Argarwal” is the name of Ashok Bahirwani’s wife, or so I understand and therefore is not a “dummy name”. I personally don’t care if Bahirwani’s wife wishes to participate in the discussion here, what I will stop however is someone publishing under her name and claiming to be potentially be someone else.
This is somewhat important as often Argarwal is commenting as an unofficial spokesperson of AISPA and providing inside information. If that’s not coming from Bahirwani’s wife, then her name shouldn’t be used.
“Anju Agarwal” can’t have it both ways, either he or she is Bahirwani’s wife and can admit so and carry on participating as before or she or he can comment under another alias. Everybody else is publishing under aliases and not other people’s names (to the best of my knowledge).
“Anju Agarwal” cannot participate here under that name if he or she is going to attempt to keep up the ‘I may or may not be ….’ facade. Not when somebody’s actual name (who is relevant to the discussion in behind Bahirwani’s wife) is being used.
This isn’t the first time something like this has happened, but it’s probably the most public. People have left comments using company CEO names and what not in the past and I’ve removed them because quite obviously they aren’t the person commenting.
today’s aispa writ is listed at number one but there are 14 supplementary cases which will probably be heard first.
we’re hoping it is heard before lunch.
the respondents are using delaying tactics again .they seem to have time for everything except filing their replies.
the case against hats off productions [sab tv ] is also up for hearing today.
this link is from speakindia dated 27 feb 2012, and talks about public notices
http://www.speakindiaonline.com/profiles/blogs/saol-slapped-times-of-india-eow-with-notices-will-issue-a-public-
well done !
just so you sleep better at night i used the name anju agarwal with full consent of the lady involved, we’re that close.
when i started commenting 7/8 months ago i just chose a name with low net presence without considering the option of using some other alias [ i can be DULL at times].
back then who knew aispa and ashok bahirwani would become such a center of attraction and the apple of the eow’s eyes?
High Court update. Next date: 15.03.2012
@Vikky
Why, why, …. so many whys.
Did your dearest Speakasiaonline.com reveal at the first instance who were running it, what their preamble was, and that they only intended to run a cheat company and launder money out of India to Seven Rings? Why not?
They continue to waste so much of the time of the Courts and investigative agencies through their Indian counterparts like Bahirwani, “Anju”, etc. backed by an Indian fugitive, Manoj Kumar of Mumbai. Why?
So much crores of Rupees belonging to the panelists has been spent by SAOL and their above stated Indian counterparts in Court fees and payments to advocates to try to subvert the Indian Law. Why?
And there you are Mr/Ms/Mrs Vikky questioning why we have taken to anonymous names while commenting here. Who are you? State your full address and contact number here. Also ask Anju/Anjali to do the same including the 115 panelists of Solomon James & Othrs who are leaders of SAOL and put forth their case in the SC in order to get their “accumulated” ill gotten wealth of daily binary incomes of Rs26k/day.
Why? Why are they wasting the time of the SC knowing well that any such payment is dependent upon SAOL coming clean of any criminal breach of trust? Why is Bahirani trying to subvert the criminal cases in the Mumbai Courts against SAOL and their management to a mere civil matter in the SC? Why are chaps like you and other Indian cheats like AISPA brainwashing the poor Indian panelists all along knowing fully well that these panelists will not get a paisa of their investment?
SAOL & Co by now know that they are deep trouble in India. The courts may very soon demand an Interpol arrest of these fugitives to be brought to India for trial as the crimes were committed in India on Indian citizens.
No wonder you and your likes would like to stop this blog in some way or the other as much is being revealed here of Seven Rings, SAOL, Haram Khor, Manoj, Bahirwani (his background and what he is getting from them should be the next topic here).
At https://behindmlm.com/companies/speak-asia-online/speak-asia-to-pay-up-with-money-it-doesnt-have/ I stated who Anju Agarwal actually is. Why was she not posting under her correct identity? Anybody would be suspicious as to how she was getting inside information and posting here. Ashok Bahirwani does not post so much at his blog of AISPA and how was he allowing another family member to reveal.
Now go and look at yourself in a mirror and you will get the answers to your why, why, whys. By the way are u Ashok Bahirwani? Yes?
I can tell Oz who I actually am and give my speakasia ID#. He has my email address and has to just ask.
Here are the different stages of the case WRIT 3611, found under “Listings”:
The current stage: To be taken on supplimentary board.
>> Oz..
Thanks for the reply, even though I’m not agreeing with you fully as you rightly said..
“You might not agree with the above, but it seems to work for most people and by and large the discussion here is open and honest. This isn’t just another MLM marketing site and I think the content and participation of readers reflects that”.
If it works for most people and if by and large the discussion here is open and honest that’ll be nice..
>> jutamaro..
I asked one small doubt for which site owner (of this blog) has replied me decently, but you replied like I’m the owner of SpeakAsia..! Hmm..! What’s going on in your mind man..! U look like a funny guy!
Why, why, why you are showing this much angry against me..? Is it paining for you if I ask you to show your real name, real face, real identity. Ok leave it, don’t show it, I’m not asking you anything…
Even Oz is having my email id with him, you can ask him & get that & also contact me personally, but SpeakAsia id I’m not having personally in my name, sorry, don’t tell me being a non speakasian I’m not eligible to participate in this blog, many of the non members were participating in this blog..
It’s individuals interest, but it’ll be fine if we use our original identity that was my opinion, that’s it, if we follow that surely more number of people will accept the views in this site..
hello man, at least I’m writing my comment using my own name, original name, identity, i’m Vikky – M. Vikky Alexander (my full name with initials), but you are using a funny name called “jutamaro”, hey – it would be more funny if you write your name as “juthamaro”.! Why can’t you change it?
Again it’s your wish..! I’m not hurting you, just kidding, but you have really hurted me! Be cool man..!!!
Why this kind of unnecessary debate in good useful site with true information & honest discussions with opinions, views, ideas & analysis giving complete awareness as site owner claims???
yes mr vikky is right in his opinion. And he was well answered by oz. As long as we respect freedom of expression and freedom to query mr vikky is right. And oz satisfactorily answered him. But why his query angered some one . . . Humm difficult to understand.
Any question however unpleasant can be answered coolly. No need to fire. This is a very nice blog. Lot of awarening things are discussed. I appreciate the cool temper of oz, norway, chang, brazilian and sanjeev but i am sorry to say that anju, andy, juthamaro disappoint me in their temper.
This beautiful blog should not be a place of hatred and humiliation. Thanks
EOW questioning why Speak Asia only deposited 50cr and have formally agreed to paying out the signed petitioners of the 383 case.
In Speak Asia’s favour, the EOW acknowledge that
Good on them for stating it, but until it’s backed by action the EOW (and myself) are no doubt taking it as just another Manoj Kumar broken promise.
Bloomberg TV name ‘Ponzi Scheme Speak Asia’ as one of the major catalysts in the calls for the establishment of an ‘apex authority’ to regulate scams in India, before they’ve had a chance to transfer the money overseas and go into hiding.
http://www.yourmoneysite.com/news/2012/feb/ponzi-schemes-under-government-scanner.html
Personal observation: Jutamaro is probably “jaded” (much as Oz sometimes is regarding other scams) that he jumped at any one questioning the way Oz runs his place.
If you look through the other comments you’ll see Oz is not always as cool and composed as he is here. 🙂
Thanks Mr. Soori. And Yes I do agree with Vikky. If we are genuine and honest we should not be hiding our identities.
False logic there, in that anyone choosing to remain anonymous cannot be genuine and honest.
If the information being presented is genuine and honest then the source is irrelevant.
The source’s identity only comes into question when the information cannot itself be independently verified.
Yes but if we are stupid enough than we can have kill ourselves.
latest message from saol
http://speakasiaonlinemarketing.blogspot.in/2012/03/update-from-corporate-marketing-team.html
it is clear that the mediator is calculating the dues of exit optioners.
EOW and TOI can cry about ‘all dues’ but the supreme court is enforcing the exit policy of the company.
Where on Earth did Speak Asia pull that number from?
Anybody on the internet (Speak Asia member or not) can request an exit option as the exit option site doesn’t verify anything, nor does it appear to store any data??
There’s no verification process at all so how can they say with any certainty how many Speak Asia members want out??
the article by halfbaked hafeez today is repetitive and BORING.
no colorful illegal descriptions of saol and he dint dare mention the EOW.this is because the eow has told the mediator that they have not been releasing any info to the press.
wonder how hafeez was writing all those reports quoting the eow as their source.either toi or the eow is lying.
anyway, the mediator has taken on record the eow’s statement and any press circulating wrong damaging info about saol while it’s matter is subjudice, and more importantly in mediation, will be held responsible for their actions.
read the latest aispa updates at aispa.co.in for how poor halfbaked hafeez’s mailbox crashed and how the judges found this very funny.
the eow and other respondents have been squarely kicked up and into the mediation meet.took us months!!
supplimentary board means it is to be treated as an urgent case. on the dates of hearing it has to be listed at the top to ensure it is heard an not assigned a fresh date due to lack of time. the next date is of 15 feb, after the next mediation meeting.
Anybody on the internet (Speak Asia member or not) can request an exit option as the exit option site doesn’t verify anything, nor does it appear to store any data??-soapbox
the names of exit optioners could possibly be put on a CD or something and either the eow can provide the verification data and if they can’t they could hand over the site to the
mediator.
our supreme court will work out the modalities ,why worry our pretty little heads.the mediator will definitely not have embarked on a process that is not doable.
now ,everyone must quit worrying about how much the company has to pay and rearrange their minds because now this debate takes a turn against your expectations.
90,000+ submissiosn checked one by one by offline? Lol.
Nobody even knows if the exit option website is recording the data or not… and please, let’s not pretend Speak Asia don’t have access to backups of their datbases.
94,334 panelist opting for exit option would mean more than 94 crore rupees. that is when every panelist just has one panel. a wild guess of 5 panels per panelist will increase the amount to 471 crore. while SAOL deposited just 50 crore. lol
The latest message from speakasia official blog is another Photoshop job.
If the management is relay serious than why they are doing this type of activity? Posting fake letters. The 8th Feb letter was also an edited one. There are total Five letters containing same signature and logo.
in their latest posting on speakasia.marketing, they used the word ‘our patented ‘Precision Marketing Tool’. can anyone explain the meaning.
It means whatever SpeakAsia say it means, for good or bad
Search the patent database in India, and see if there’s such a patent filed by SAOL. Patent info is public. If there is no such thing, then there is no meaning other than another PR lie.
Besides, “precision marketing tool” is a “buzzword”. There is no actual industry accepted meaning. It means whatever SAOL says it means. Can they PROVE they actually DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY DO? That’s a different matter.
@anjali, here we not interested in what your hubby is crapping at his blog or blogs of your relatives like speakasiaonlinemarketing.blogspot.in. Give reference of neutral blogs like this one or the media.
Hafeez makes interesting reading as compared to your nonfactual boring posts.
Some of the most honest people *have* to hide their identity. They are called whistleblowers.
Such whistleblowers do not always make their identity public in fear of reprisals.
So you think they simply reversed the math and came up with the membership number? That’s one way for sure… The number is a bit too close to be a mere coincidence…
So SAOL offers up another 50 crore, and says “Now what does EOW have to say?”
With AISPA waving arms yelling “everybody who want out now take it so we can restart!”
Doesn’t stop the criminal investigation, but good try. 🙂
Some new info about the EXIT-option, found at Speakasia.mobi
“No Profit, No Loss” is actually fair enough, if people gets most of their initial investments back (including what they have paid in money for extra panels and subpanels).
With this solution they will only loose Reward Points, what they should have ‘earned’ for doing surveys and for recruiting. This solution is more acceptable if they are newly recruited in the last few weeks before May 2011, and less acceptable if they have been members for several months.
They will loose all income they have had (as Reward Points), but they will only loose a minor amount ($20 or more) of their original investment (in money).
All benefit in the shape of RPs will be deducted from the direct sponcer/upliner like direct sponcer commission, binary income and royalty.
This means the upline will have to take some losses (instead of the company). They will loose some of the Reward Points they have earned from recruitment, and a minor income they have had from direct sponsored surveys ($1.50 per survey).
As long as people are willing to accept ‘minor losses’, this solution could actually work. Lots of people will probably feel this solution as ‘unfair’ (since they have done work without being paid for it), but most people would have lost money, anyway. Not being paid should be more acceptable than loosing money they have invested.
One problem is that Aman Azad isn’t a company official, so the company isn’t bound by his definitions. They haven’t made any changes in their official Exit Policy yet.
So how can it be “no profit no loss” AND “registration fee is nonrefundable” at the same time?
@K.Chang
“No Profit, No Loss” in the most major parts of their investments.
$20 in registration fee is an acceptable loss of money, as long as people are able to recover most of their initial investments.
People will also loose all Reward Points they have earned if they use the exit-option. It will mean they have done surveys without getting paid for the work, and some will also have done some unpaid recruitment.
As an example:
You were recruited 4 weeks before the payment stopped, and have bought 5 panels or subpanels as an initial investment.
Your costs:
$220 in subscription
$60 for the test (doesn’t apply to all panelists)
4 * $200 = $800 for extra panels
$1080 total
I consider it to be an acceptable deal if you’re able to get $1000 back, and have lost only $20 or $80.
In addition you will have lost $400 in Reward Points for doing 10 surveys per week in 4 weeks, but I will still consider the deal to be acceptable. If people were recruited 8 weeks before the payments stopped, they will have lost $800 in Reward Points with the same number of panels.
This is close to the best deal they are able to offer with the money they have available. Loosing Reward Points should be far more acceptable than loosing money.
The major problem is that Aman Azad isn’t an official spokes-person for Speak Asia (when it comes to major decisions). His definition of the agreement isn’t worth more than “Above info is the best as per my knowledge”, an unofficial opinion.
So they counted “registration” separate from the “subscription”, hmmm…
Nor does it facilitate a business restart…
All they’re doing is trying to pay out new members subscription fees with existing members subscription fees on the basis they’ve made more in RPs than their subscription fees (despite the fact that RPs aren’t money and hold no value outside of Speak Asia scheme).
The post you are talking about is given by aman azad who is brother of ashok bahirwani as claimed by
ashok himself in his facebook profile
He is having the following company on his own and doing trading business I guess
Speakasiaonline.mobi says
Yes he is brother of ashok so he is also a God like for speakasians.
Looking at the owner of speakasiaonline.mobi you will find this guy is quite interesting. The person behind mobiclub is a MLM freak that’s why I have given several links. Most of the business ideas he is joining or representing seems a swindle to me.
MV Naik’s desperate attempt to earn online
@jutamaro
I also suspect the same. AISPA and mobiclub both are talking ashok bahirwani’s language and same is true for speakasiaonlinemarketing.blogspot.in. These updates contain same matter and topic of interest and updated synchronously. These updates has a specific motive (1) mobiclub updates handle daily queries and perform diversion (2) ashok’s update when some major thing /news appear (3) company blog update when things heats up very much that 1 & 2 can’t be used anymore than this update is given
They avoid specific questions, specific dates and never provide details about why company is unable to register itself in 1 1/2 or 2 years. Speakasia can save itself by giving at least 2 or 3 real client names but never given. And much more covered on this blog.
Remember
Order dated 29/2/2012 is available on bombay high court CIS. Nothing sort of displayed as claimed by bahirwani.
If you’re talking about the 3611 case, then yeah I noticed that too yesterday.
http://bombayhighcourt.nic.in/data/criminal/2012/WP361111290212.pdf
Serve the affidavit to AISPA and co (the intervenor = Kkhosla?) and hold another hearing on the 15th. A far cry from Bahirwani’s pages of ‘we won, we won’. I don’t really take him seriously anymore so didn’t think it was worth mentioning (given that the order is pretty light itself).
Nothing yet on the AISPA writ 444. Although I imagine regardless of what happened Bahirwani will put out ‘ZOMG HE ANNIHILATED THEM UNCONDITIIONALLY%%!!!!1111’ update in the next 24 hours.
@ Andy
It is evident that after stoppage of SAOL’s business operations, Ashok Bahirwani is managing SAOL’s affairs with close coordination with AISPA, SAOL related blogs / Facebook accounts and cheerleaders / spinmasters like family members Aman Azad, Anju (Anjali) and several others.
He has been posting inappropriate adverse comments on AISPA website against press reporters. Anju has been posting vitriolic junk comments, desperately supporting SAOL on BEHINDMLM website, trying very hard to subvert all rational discussion about true status of SAOL’s affairs.
This is a complex huge skilled operation involving mind boggling funding from SAOL owners.
The exit-option explained by Aman Azad has got 1 question.
And here it is:
Trio + 20 subpanels = 233,000 INR = $4,660 USD
I’ll guess he won’t be happy if the exit-option only covers $200 USD. This is why I considered the exit-option to be unfair, as it is presented on the website.
And MR.TIME has got an answer.
@M_Norway
It also begs the question why one person needs 20 accounts (60 accounts in a trio?) to respond to one survey.
…and Speak Asia expect us to believe companies are paying millions for these ridiculously inaccruate surveys.
Precision marketing my arse.
Trio – 3 Family Members responding to one survey
20 Subpanels – 2 Family members responding to 10 seperate surveys disctinctive from the main survey.
@Sanjeev
No doubt that’s how Speak Asia put them down on paper, however as per ‘Mr. Time’:
in reality all owned and paid for by one person to maximise their weekly return and recruitment commissions.
@M_Norway
It is useless to discuss the exit option which isn’t real.
@ashok bahirwani, anju, sanjeev khanna, navneet kkhoshla
Suppose the exit option is real and 94,334 is a real number then you should ask speakasia to provide additional facilities with the exit option. Viz
(1) To check the panelists if their registration is confirmed.
(2) Some panelists have applied for exit option but are willing to cancel their request. So option to delete their exit request.
These two things can be provided on the Exit Option website within an hour if requested. After all speakasia is paying lacks to its lawyer to show that it’s a legit company they can easily pay a few thousands to programmers to implement these facilities and to prove it. If they have an in-house team, than there will be no question of paying someone else.
It is also good for speakasia if some panelists cancel their exit request isn’t it?
(3) An option to show how much refund they will get if going for exit option.
This thing will need extra efforts but can be implemented in one or two days.
So my advice will be to find a workable solution rather than discussing on (fake) exit option and vague conditions.
This is a lie. Survey topic is already discussed and speakasia was supplying same survey not distinct surveys to its panelists.
According to your argument speakasia needs hundreds of surveys per year. So either they have to find that much clients who agree to pay for inaccurate surveys (done by a single person or family multiple times) or have to manufacture their own surveys.
There is not a single client name given by speakasia, admatrix, mister colibri or seven rings.
@Andy
For me, the Exit-option doesn’t have to be real.
It doesn’t matter whether it’s a simulated solution or a real one, as long as it forces people to evaluate different solutions and what they are willing to accept. This relates both to company officials and to panelists.
Speak Asia will have to realize they’ll have to pay a fair amount if they want to reduce some of the claims against them.
Panelists needs to realize they can’t be paid in full, and will loose some of their reward points.
I don’t think the current Exit option will be used anyway, so for me it isn’t important whether it is real or false.
It’s more important that people starts to evaluate the situation and make decisions, like MR. TIME is about to do. I’ll guess he will make a temporarily decision, something like “I’ll wait till the situation is clearer, and I will NOT accept agreements like that if they’ll try to buy me off for $200.”
I analysed and evaluated the EXIT-option 3 months ago, but I believe most panelists haven’t done that before just recently. They may have read it, but I don’t think they have analysed it before now.
@ M_Norway
Do you really think that speakasia management is serious about paying for exit option or to restart their business? I personally believe they had enough time to legalize their business if they want.
I suggest that we should analyze the motive behind the actions rather than the actions itself. after that it will be easy for the people to understand the situation as a whole rather than a piece of it. There is enough data available to analyze the whole situation so it want be difficult to find the motive.
When I look at the situation I don’t see any real authority form speakasia is coming forward to handling the matter. So the people who are behind the current operations and actions and the reasons they are struggling so hard should be investigated by all.
@Andy
Paying something to be able to reduce charges? YES, but within some limits.
Restart business? Maybe as a temporarily solution, to be able to reduce some potential damage.
Speak Asia had most of their growth in the last 3 or 4 months, rapidly increasing near the end of that period, where they recruited 30-35,000 members per day in the best days. It grew out of control, and had far more growth than they had planned initially. I’ll guess they recruited 3-400,000 members in the last 30 days before they were exposed in media.
Most of the other schemes they have organized have only reached 70,000 members or so before they have been shut down, and have been too small to receive the same attention. With Speak Asia, they became too greedy and decided to continue, setting a goal of reaching 10 million members within 2011.
Speak Asia was a money making machine, but it also went terribly wrong for the organizers. Manoj Kumar Sharma got 3 of his other companies involved, Seven Rings was involved, most of the top leaders have been exposed, etc.
Willingness to pay will be related to reducing damages, the risk of loosing more than they were prepared to loose if something went wrong. Plans for restarting with a new business model is only related to damage control, it’s not related to a sustainable business idea.
Most of the activities we have seen since May 2011 have been related to reduction of damage. Claiming to be in “e-zine business”, “panel business”, “Non Disclosure Agreement” and so on are parts of damage control.
From one of the newspapers:
770,000 members in Uttar Pradesh
356,000 members in Maharashtra (not including Mumbai)
130,000 members in Mumbai
1,256,000 members total in these areas
Since these numbers covers more than 50 percent of Speak Asia’s members, it should be possible to use them to make an estimate for how a business model will work, based on average income per capita, employment rate and similar stuff. Usually, people can’t afford to spend thousands of dollars on buying stuff, no matter how interested they are.
Usually, most people will be less interested in buying stuff when they have spent most of their savings on panels and subscriptions, but Indians might of course be different?
Motive is relatively simple: make money while doing minimal work. Everybody dreams of that.
It’s the METHOD how this is done, convince OTHER people to market your scheme for you (and pay them a pittance), and convince them it is all legit, that is the interesting part.
Oh, and how they spun the whole issue after it’s all exposed.
Here’s some explantions from Ashok Bahirwani, about the exit option policy. Since the AISPA website doesn’t allow COPY, I’m only quoting the “No money” option and the disclaimers.
The disclaimer has a highly questionable point:
“Because it deals with explaining an official document of the company SAOL the final word lies with the company and all clarifications will be subject to the company’s final interpretation and decision.”
SpeakAsia seems to have made the definitions vague, for later to be able to interpret them, and pay what suits them rather than making a trustworthy agreement.
Usually we don’t make agreements allowing parties to “interpret” conditions on their own, except for in parts of minor importance that easily can be accepted.
I forgot to link to Bahirwani’s interpretation of the Exit Policy.
Mr. TIME has received a new answer on the Speakasia.mobi blog:
Here’s the answer:
Even Ashok Bahirwani seems to have realized there are reasonable doubts related to the Exit Policy.
It seems like Bahirwani wants the Supreme Court to allow a “voluntarily solution”, where SpeakAsia itself decides how much they are willing to pay Exit optioners. He clearly specifies the final word lies with the company and all clarifications will be subject to the company’s final interpretation and decision.
Normally when we ask for a decision in court, the court’s decision should be the final decision. Bahirwani’s statements indicates either that the Supreme Court doesn’t deal with any details related to the payment solutions, or that Speak Asia has made some reservations.
None of these explanations makes any sense, so I’ll guess Bahirwani is unfamiliar with how the court system really works.
@Navniit Kkhosla
I may have a few points that can be useful in court, like the confusion related to the Exit Policy, in case you will need some points.
Since you have invested over 5 lakh then a vague Exit Policy isn’t something you can use. Being able to document WHY you can’t use it might be a useful point, in case you’ll need it.
I have lots of other points too, but I haven’t analysed them in relation to your case. Most of the time I have tried to analyse any weak points in Speak Asia’s case, and I haven’t related the analysis to any specific party.
I can try to identify and specify a few of the points.
@Navniit Kkhosla
Have you received any information yet?
I’ll guess you will have the right to have insight into all matters related to the WRIT 383 case, like which claims each party have made – at least if you’re accepted as a party in the case.
Insight into the case may be vital in planning your own strategy.
I have some points that can be usable in some strategies, but I haven’t analysed whether they support a specific interest or are in conflict with specific interests.
Using a lawyer?
If you use a lawyer, I’m sure he will be interested in some of the matherial as written documents, printed out from different sources.
Some facts he may be interested in are the average number of panels per panelist, the number of panelists, how the additional panels were sold and other presentations, the Exit Policy and interpretation from Bahirwani and Aman Azad, other interpretations of the Exit Policy, other background information that makes the case easier to understand.
Of course, we don’t have the average number of panels per panelist, but it’s possible to make different estimates, or to make the lawyer know which questions that can be important to ask or which strategy to choose.