Solavei Review: Cell phone service + affiliate cashback
Solavei (which is supposed to mean “sun in your veins” strangely enough), is a telecommunications MLM company, operating out of Bellevue in the US state of Washington.
Solavei was founded by Ryan Wuerch in late 2011, with Wuerch also serving as the company’s CEO.
Wuerch (photo right) was the Senior Vice President of ShapeRite (a nutritional supplement company) between 1995 to 1998. In 1998 Wuerch joined education software company ‘Learning 2000’, serving as President until 2001.
2001 saw Wuerch launch his own wireless company, Motricity. Weurch served as the CEO and Chairman of Motricity, with the company going public at $10 a share in 2010.
Just over a year later Weurch was terminated by Motricity in August 2011 after the Motricity share price plunged from $30.74 down to $2.28. In the wake of the aftermath, eight law firms announced plans to and/or initiated shareholder lawsuits against the company.
Today Motricity shares are trading at 54 cents a share.
Taking some time off to rethink his next career move, Weurch decided to build on what he’d learnt at Motricity and after raising 4 million dollars in startup financing, announced plans to launch Solavei. To the best of my knowledge, this is Weurch’s first MLM venture.
Read on for a full review of the Solavei MLM business opportunity.
The Solavei Product Line
Solavei offer members a $49 a month unlimited voice, text and data cell phone service through the T-Mobile network in the US.
There is no service contract, however new service subscribers do have to pay a $49 sign up fee.
Bundled with the service is a Solavei phone app, which builds on what Wuerch was doing over at Motricity (Motricity markets ‘its technology to wireless carriers for use in branded data services‘).
Through this app and a Bank of America VISA debit card, Motricity also offer their members access to a merchant rebate program. Retailers Solavei has advertised as merchant partners include Walmart, Amazon, Best Buy and Target.
The Solavei Compensation Plan
Solavei use a unilevel style compensation plan meaning that each new member and customer you recruit is placed directly underneath you, forming your level 1.
There is no distinction between company members and retail customers in Solavei, so any people referred by your level 1 members become your level 2 (recruited members are placed directly underneath the member that recruited them).
This continues down a theoretically infinite number of levels as well as wide, with each new member joining under you forming a new downline leg.
Commissions paid out in Solavei revolve around the concept of “trios”. A trio is three members, grouped together on any level of your unilevel compensation structure. Members on level one of your unilevel can be grouped together to form a trio, however you can’t group members from any other levels together.
Any additional members (one or two extra once everyone has been grouped into groups of 3) are reserved until they can be matched into a trio group on the same level.
If a trio is broken and there are unmatched members in the same level of your unilevel team who have not been placed in a trio yet, the system will automatically assign these members to the trio that lost a member.
Fast Start Bonus
Using the idea of trios above, Solavei’s Fast Start Bonus rewards you based on the number of trios you’re able to create within 60 days of joining the company, up to the creation of four trios.
- 1 trio = $50
- 2 trios = $100
- 3 trios = $200
- 4 trios = $300
Note that these Fast Start Bonuses stack per trio made, thus a total of $650 is able to be earned upon the creation of four trios within the 60 day qualification period.
Personal Trio Commissions
Solavei pay out a $20 residual monthly commission on the creation of a trio on either the first or second level of your unilevel team. There is no limit to the amount of trios the personal trio commission can be paid out on.
The Path Pay
Solavei call their residual commissions that extend past the first two levels of your unilevel team the “Path Pay”. Note that while the Path Pay is paid out on levels 3 and below of your unilevel, it also includes the first two levels meaning it covers trios created on any level of your unilevel.
Trios counted to calculate Path Pay commissions are called ‘Overall Trios’.
Path Pay commissions still revolve around trios formed as in the Personal Trio commissions, however there are criteria that must be met with fifteen levels to qualify for. Each level dictates how much a member earns in Path Pay commissions.
- Partner 1 (no commission) – 1 personal trio in your unilevel (doesn’t have to be personally created by you)
- Partner 2 ($50 a month) – 1 personal trio (doesn’t have to be personally created by you) and 4 overall trios in your unilevel
- Partner 3 ($100 a month) – 2 personal trios (don’t have to be personally created by you) and 8 overall trios in your unilevel
- Connector 1 ($200 a month + one time $500 rank bonus) – 3 personal trios (1 must be personally created by you) and 12 overall trios (max of 6 per unilevel level)
- Connector 2 ($400 a month) – 4 personal trios (1 must be personally created by you) and 16 overall trios (max of 8 per unilevel level)
- Connector 3 ($1000 a month) – 5 personal trios (1 must be personally created by you) and 20 overall trios (max of 10 per unilevel level)
- Networker 1 ($2000 a month + one time $2000 rank bonus) – 6 personal trios (at least 2 created by you) and 100 overall trios (max of 40 per unilevel level)
- Networker 2 ($3000 a month) – 8 personal trios (at least 2 created by you) and 250 overall trios (max of 100 per unilevel level)
- Networker 3 ($4000 a month) – 10 personal trios (at least 2 created by you) and 500 overall trios (max of 200 per unilevel level)
- Director 1 ($5000 a month + one time $5000 rank bonus) – 14 personal trios (at least 3 created by you) and 800 overall trios (max of 320 per unilevel level)
- Director 2 ($6000 a month) – 16 personal trios (at least 3 created by you) and 1000 overall trios (max of 400 per unilevel level)
- Director 3 ($8000 a month) – 20 personal trios (at least 3 created by you) and 1200 overall trios (max of 480 per unilevel level)
- Executive 1 ($10,000 a month + one time $10,000 rank bonus) – 24 personal trios (at least 4 created by you) and 1500 overall trios (max of 600 per unilevel level)
- Executive 2 ($15,000 a month) – 26 personal trios (at least 4 created by you) and 1700 overall trios (max of 680 per unilevel level)
- Executive 3 ($20,000 a month + on time $20,000 rank bonus) – 30 personal trios (at least 4 created by you) and 2000 overall trios (max of 800 per unilevel level)
In addition to the cap on how many trios are counted on any given unilevel level, a 40% rule also exists meaning that no more than 40% of the trios counted can come from any one unilevel leg (every time you enrol a new customer they form a new unilevel leg directly under you).
Affiliate Network Commissions
When using the Solavei VISA debit card to purchase goods from Solavei Merchant Partners, the company collects an affiliate commission on your purchase.
50c out of each dollar collected in affiliate commissions by Solavei is refunded back to the member who made the purchase.
Joining Solavei
Membership to Solavei is free for customers of the company, with there being no additional cost to participate in the compensation plan and earn commissions as a member.
Customers of Solavei must purchase a cell phone service for $49 a month with an initial $49 signup fee and $29 SIM card fee.
If a customer chooses to purchase a phone through Solavei (HTC or ZTE) this is also an additional expense (there is no SIM card fee if a phone is purchased).
Non-customers are able to join as company members and earn commissions through the compensation plan for an annual $149 membership fee.
Conclusion
Weurch’s corporate history is kind of hard to ignore but as far as Solavei goes, there appears to be a legit product offering here along with an affiliate cash back.
Customers aren’t differentiated from company members participating in the income opportunity but with a legit product being sold and used and membership being free, I don’t see a problem here.
I did initially see the non-customer paid membership option for $149 a year as possible pyramid scheme territory (paid members recruiting other new paid members to form trios with nothing being sold other than company membership), but then realised that trios only contain customer members who are on a monthly service subscription.
As far as I can tell if you recruit a paid customer, they can’t be placed into a trio in your unilevel because they aren’t paying a monthly service subscription fee (although if they recruit customers themselves, these customers can form trios in your unilevel).
You could make the argument that seeing as there’s no differentiation between customers and members that the system is dependent on new members to survive, however with no membership fees (for service customers) this isn’t the case.
Theoretically if everyone just paid for the cell phone service and didn’t sign any additional customers up, the system should be able to sustain itself based on service subcription fees alone. These fees are being paid on a legitimate service, with the intention of purchase being to use the service (what else can you do with a cell phone service subscription other than use it?).
When analysing Solavei as a business opportunity the affiliate commission cashback is neither here nor there as it appears to be a personal cashback based on personal spend. Nevertheless I suppose that it is an additional marketing tool Solavei members can use when pitching the cell phone service.
Admittedly I’ve got no idea what cell phone service plans are like in the US at the moment, so I can only assume $49 a month for unlimited voice, text and data through T-Mobile is somewhat competitive.
Solavei are currently in prelaunch with an official launch date set for September 21st, 2012. Wuerch’s checkered corporate history aside, if Solavei manage to deliver the business model they’ve announced in pre-launch and keep things product based, I don’t really see anything that’s cause for concern business model wise.
$49 is competitive, but no cheaper or more expensive than T-Mob itself, and T-Mob offer much better phones and phone choices. MetroPCS already offers similar no-contract monthly fees for nationwide service. AND it offers 4G, something T-Mob does NOT have (they have HSPA+ which is not 4G, even by Australian standards).
The question is does mobile telecom have this much margin to be sharing profit with the affiliates AND a decent corporate profit for itself?
Seems you’ll need to recruit quite a few folks (i.e. get them to switch) to get paid. Bottom line seems to be you need to recruit well over 50 people (get them to switch) to get paid any money.
Seems legit, but don’t expect to get rich over it.
That’s strange then, Solavei are advertising their service as 4G nationwide.
In the US, they call their HSPA+ “4G”. It’s only in Australia they got slapped. (Apple’s iPhone 4 is HSPA+ and it was hammered in saying it’s “4G”)
How much commission does your phone company pay you each month? maybe ZERO? you can earn as much as you want with solavei.
Thats just one difference (by american standards)
Lightyear has a better comp plan, pays residuals on every customer you sign up, and even allows you to earn your service for free each month.
But Lightyear’s phone choice sucked, last time I checked.
Here’s a note from the Wayback machine in Patrick Pretty… from 2010… When Walmart launched $45 everything plan, you know this field’s saturated.
http://www.patrickpretty.com/2010/09/13/mlm-wireless-distributors-delusion-exposed-walmart-to-release-its-own-cell-phone-plan-45mo-for-unlimited-talktext-and-100-mb-of-data-with-no-contract-or-credit-check
Ah, the Amway argument. “You use this stuff any way, you may as well use one that will make me (and maybe you) money.”
100mb data vs unlimited.
In today’s day and age that could be a lot of data (especially considering we’re talking smartphones here). If the Walmart plan is still available and now has unlimited data for $45 then yeah, there’s a bit of a problem value wise here (we go from product value to I’ll pay an extra $5 because I’ll earn money).
K. Chang,
Lightyear has come a long way since then. Because of their relationship with Sprint, they have a great selection of phones now, including the most popular phone in the world, the Samsung Galaxy S. I have the EVO Shift and love it. And I get my service for free, which is tough to beat.
EVO shift is almost 2 years old, and Galaxy S is about as old with S3 just hitting the market.
They are outdated phones, for budget carriers, suitable for certain markets. Whether it has the profit margins to sustain MLM is a different question.
I have an EVO Shift because I prefer it. My point is that Lightyear is coming out with the latest and greatest phones fairly quick because of the great relationship they have with Sprint.
Pus you can get unlimited everything, including data, for just $59.99 a month.
They’ve added family plans as well so additional lines with everything is just an additional $49.99 a month. And, of course, you have a way to get your service for free.
Is having the latest and greatest phone worth $140+ a month with the big carriers? If it is, then Lightyear probably isn’t for you. But if you don’t care if your phone is the latest gizmo out there and saving money and making money is your thing, then it might be.
Who else pays you residual income on your own cell bill, whether you get your service for free or not, and pays you for other customers you acquire?
Thank you for confirming the Amway argument. 🙂
Wow! Tough crowd.
Having just initiated and setup a Solavei HTC 1S I can tell you Lightyear users that there is something Solavei has that is lightyears ahead of anyone. The “Social Commerce platform” is not hype.
There is more going on here than just phone and data. And have you compared the corporate leadership of Solavei with Lightyear? How about Momentis, Ambit, Visalus, Scentsy, Arbonne, Mona Vei, et al. It’s going to be very interesting to watch… from my phone!
Yes, Lightyear has a corporate team with over 60 years in the wireless industry. The main company has been around for 19 years with an 80,000 sq foot campus/headquarters in Louisville, KY.
They do their own porting, stocking, shipping, billing, commissions, etc. So Lightyear isn’t just some reseller who packages up a service and resells it with an MLM element to it.
They are a legitimate wireless company who are actually competitors of AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, and Sprint.
Hey, Solavei sounds like an interesting business opportunity. But it was asked earlier if anyone knew of a wireless company that paid you commissions like Solavei, so I decided to answer that yes I did, and I thought Lightyear’s comp plan was even better. I stand by that.
This is going to be a tough sell. First of all, they’re going to have to talk someone out of breaking their existing contract…for me, that’s a few hundred bucks, as with most people I imagine. Next you have to sell T-mobile, which is inferior in my area to ATT and Verizon.
Next, I’d have to give up my new phone rebate which will allow me to buy the iPhone 5 at $199 when it comes out. Last, I’ve heard you can’t use the iPhone with Solvei, which is a complete deal killer for me.
If I were to pick a phone mlm, I’d probably look at ViTel. Seems more appealing.
Does the $49 include tax and fees. I also think it’s going to be very hard to have people change to this phone. Most people that I know like to choose their phones
Hello fellow Networkers,
The contract issue, can be solved for most folks, by signing up for Solavei and lowering your current contract to bare bones ($20) payment until that contract “jail cell” is lifted. Most customers will still be saving money and well on their way to making some too.
For the T-mobile coverage issue. Yes, it is the weakest of the big 4. But for the overall majority of folks in this country, the service works just as sound as the others.
Before signing up to Solavei, you enter in your zip code to insure coverage. This shows right up front that Solavei is committed to it’s customers first and foremost over sign ups.
On the positive side of T-mobile coverage, they are the first to have nationwide 4g. (yes, the term can be what you want…but it still is the fastest offered in the U.S).
They are (as I type) expanding into the billions of dollars in network coverage this year and 2013, not to mention that their service is already heads and tails better than any of the off brand services (virgin, boost, cricket) and will only continue to get better.
Solavei was courted by all 4 of the bigs. They selected T-mobile because of their growth plan and their commitment to the Solavei community. Believe me when I say…”the other 3 are upset about missing out”.
So much is given to the “leadership” in Networking Compaines. Solavei is a who’s who of Fortune 100 board execs. Not a group of networkers who have an idea and some plan that worked for other companies they were in. These guys are in the big leagues.
This service is aimed at the 18 to 45 demographic that uses all that cell service has to offer every month. Compared to my father who is 70. He still thinks text…are words in a book. But he is in the fading minority.
The big Cell companies have been raping the public for years. $100 or more for a month of cell coverage…come on.
They also trick folks into a ridiculous 2 year “contract” for a deal on a phone. Not sure about you…but I can use ebay and craigslist (or my friends) to find deals on phones (not to mention, if I sign up 12 members in the first 60 days, I will make $650 to buy the phone of my choice) So again…come on.
We all should know by now, that the ability for a Networking Company to reach the big leagues…is directly dependent on the value of the product offered.
This might seem like a hard sell to some?? But for who?? And Compared to what products out there that everyone is pitching??
There is zero brand loyity for the Big 4 and cell service is more popular than toothbrushes around the world. 4.8 billion cell users – 4.2 toothbrush users.
http://www.mindjumpers.com/blog/2012/01/social-media-stats-infographic/
This is a product that folks already have (and most fell naked without) and at a price point that will provide relief to those who are getting slammed by the big 4.
Instead of trying to push some pills, juices, lotions or potions…which is “truly” a hard sell. Trying to convince an already stuptified public on a new way to (insert outrageous health claim below) and also asking them to come out of pocket a hundred bucks or more a month, a bill which is new to their bank book. Compared to a cell bill that they are already paying.
Offering a “no contract” “no strings attached” cell service over a major carriers network without ever having to worry about any other payments. Is a much better offer than “hey family and friends…try this new thing, with this new ingredient, with this new monthly payment”
Solavei is jumping into the Networking arena with only one offering. Which is brilliant!
Most networking companies having pages and pages of products. That all need explaining and all need someone who cares about said “long term benifit”. This makes it very difficult for the non-networker (which is who builds all the bigs) to wrap their head around. Let alone, tell their inner circle about.
So…I said all that to say this. If you want to make money in Networking.
You need a product that folks are already buying at a price point that cannot be denied.
Can anyone say Excel?
How does this pitch sound for the “little guy”
If you know 12 family members or friends who are tired of getting slammed by the Big 4. You can have your cell service for FREE. Up to and over $800 savings for most folks a year. And with the foundation of social media as your launch pad. 12 folks is not unreasonable for even the most rookie networker.
I am chomping at the bit to have Solavei open its doors, and getting to work (Ozedit: marketing spam removed).
p.s Solavei users will be able to use their I-Phones, but you will not get the benefit of 4G service, because it is not compatible…yet.
p.p.s There are always folks who have objections and concerns…and that is a great thing. Educating yourself on the facts and understanding the truth about Solavei and any other company you find yourself learning about, will open the door of knowledge and let you decide whether or not you should walk threw.
Take a good look at Solavei, the product, the leadership and the overall concept (which I did not even discuss, that will make Solavei a house hold name in less than 2 years) and decide for yourself, if this is a door, worth walking threw.
Nicely written sales pitch, covers a lot of the points it *should* cover, but left out quite a few pertinent points and misrepresents more.
Cricket, Boost, and Virgin are virtual carriers… All use the Sprint network, and Sprint is one of the Big 3.
HSPA+ is NOT the fastest in the US. Verizon’s LTE blows it out of the water. HSPA+ is more widespread though. But with Sprint and AT&T all going LTE, T-Mob is going to be left behind in a few years.
The main point is taken: somebody (not the first) thinks there’s enough margin in mobile phone service to warrant a MLM approach. I personally don’t think the margins are quite enough to warrant such a move, or people would have succeeded already (as many pointed out, Lightyear and others also do this… for years!)
However, most sales pitch involving this relies on the Amway argument: switch to my stuff and you can make me money (Wait, what do I get out of it?)
Focus on providing VALUE to your customers, and maybe you’ll enjoy some success.
The top levels should be called “dictator” levels because anything more than 5 levels in will be impossible to achieve and maintain, unless your Justin bieber and have a rabid fan base to exploit.
The real concern I have for users is what happens when people leave… If my brother Jim recruits me, Jane and Mary… Then drops solevei because the service sucks…. Do I noe benefit because he’s gone, because…I’m thinking that the plan may incentivize solevei at some point to provide bad coverage…break up trios and profit.
Ditto do the trios rearrange intelligently below my level to maximise my benefit …when people leave, or is one trio always a set group of people.
As I understand it the trios rearrange themselves if people leave, but only using previously unassinged people from the same level within your unilevel team structure.
Being in the direct sales industry for 11 years there are A LOT of new deals that come across my desk. What intrigued me about Solavei was the price point — $49/month unlimited is hard to beat and Tmobile is a top-notch carrier.
The company is well-funded and has some very big names on its Executive Team and Board. It certainly seems that this one has legs to go the distance.
Yes, Tmobile is offering $49 plans, but there probably is a contract that goes along with that which there isn’t with Solavei. I believe soon that contracts will be a thing of the past with companies like Solavei launching.
Plust it actually isn’t that difficult to share something with your circle that people naturally talk about anyway. Save you friends money and get rewarded for it.
It is amazing seeing the shift with traditional business-minded fold, embracing this social model. We are bound to see more and more of it in the years ahead.
This thread at Howard Mobile forum about Solavei is in agreement that Solavei’s offering beats anything on the market currently.
howardforums.com/showthread.php/1771995-New-T-Mobile-MVNO-Solavei%E2%84%A2-Unlimited-Talk-Text-Data-for-49/page7
I couldn’t find anything that comes close either. Read the fine print before your post an example to the contrary. (if you can find the fine print) Solavei offers 4GB of 4G before throttling to 2G. The closest so far is 2.3 GB before throttling offered by WalMart’s Straight Talk. But they don’t tell you this up front.
Lightyear Mobile has a better comp plan which makes it appealing to networkers but a poorer value proposition making it less appealing to consumers.
Solavei offers an excellant value proposition making it appealing to consumers but a poorer comp plan making it… also appealing to networkers who recognize the advantage of a strong consumer base.
The wild card here is the so called, “social commerce platform”. I have seen a glimpse of this setting up my wife’s beta test Solavei HTC 1 S phone. I think it will be a game changer. We’ll see. What do I know, right?
Getting out of the contracts is one big issue. Another is getting people to understand what the company is. It is going to take some time before this thing gets rolling.
Most people are not going to jump out of their verizon contracts and jump into a new service until their is proof it works. I mention this new service to friends at dinner, they all gave it a thumbs down.
The credibility gap seals up tight when Fed Ex drops off a new package with a phone and SIM card and you put it in and it works just like T-Mobile.
Dropping your plan to minimum service and adding the 49 dollars is probably cheaper than what most folks are paying now. If you know three people that would also sign up from you then it’s a no brainer.
I think you’re correct John about this taking some time. I have gotten mostly tepid responses from my peeps so far. It’ll be interesting to watch how it progresses.
The fact that every phone has an app that signs people up in a few minutes is something that could result in an explosive geometric progression of members once consumers see that it’s a real service like every other carrier. I’m keen to see how it all plays out.
@Scott — are you *sure* that review wasn’t written by a fanboy? MetroPCS offers unlimited talk, text, web, AND LTE for 2.5GB for $50. If you just want 3G it’s $40. And they have pretty high-end Samsung phones, like Galaxy S Lightray 4G.
MetroPCS has came a long way since their limited area metro-only service, esp. with their LTE offerings. And there’s no contract, period.
As I said, the value is there, but it ain’t the best on the market. I question whether it is enough of value to make it a business opportunity (i.e. make lots of people switch)
K. Chang, 1.5 Gb is a lot of data for 5 dollars less. LTE may be much faster than 4G but if I can watch HD video without buffering then why should I care? Why should I pay more?
4G is very fast, what are you doing with your smart phone that makes that extra speed worth the extra cost? Maybe you’re talking about connecting a laptop? T-Mob wins for smartphones.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/221931/4g_wireless_speed_tests_which_is_really_the_fastest.html
You have commented on the lack of margins in wireless to make this venture in MLM viable long term. Your sentiments lead me to assume that your day job is not as a chief financial officer in the corporate world.
Were you aware that ATT spends almost 3 billion dollars a year on advertising? What happens to the margins when that cost is eliminated? And how do you feel about your carrier using your money to convince you to keep giving them your money?
Since I’ve pre registered with Solavei I’ve paid attention to the quantity of glossy marketing material put in my mailbox from ATT. I used to toss it in the trash mindlessly. Now I realize that it was paid for with the money I pay my bill with. They’re fired!
I found this interesting: ryanwuerch.net
Be careful people !
This is where I disagree with you about Lightyear. Lightyear offers UNLIMITED Data for $59.99 a month WITH NO THROTTLING EVER! So I would say that is extreme value over most of the other companies out there.
I’ll have to check in with the guys over at Howard Forums to see what they think about the claim that Sprint allows the MVNO Lightyear’s users to access data with no cap. That’s odd. I must admit I’m very skeptical about that one. No one does that.
Do you have any verification of that Gary? The terms of service agreement perhaps?
I made it 19 minutes into the Lightyear webinar from saturday and got lost in the comp plan. It sounds like the proverbial selling product to other members only kind of opportunity. Which prompts me to ask, does Lightyear have non-member customers? Can you prove that number?
And how is the companies financials since the stock took a 90% tumble, now trading at $0.17?
I got a call back from Sprint customer service who had never heard of Lightyear. After doing some checking he told me that Lightyear offers 3G speed for 60 and 4G for 70 a month.
He couldn’t confirm the truly unlimited lack of throttling. He did say that the new Boost Mobile is truly unlimited but I informed him he was incorrect and he checked that too and found out I was right.
Unthrottled data throughput is tethering which is an expensive plan option with any carrier.
I have been through the Wireless Wars from a couple years back. Solavei is the first company I have looked it since 2010.
I have looked at the plans at walmart and other pre-paid. Either they are 1x on data or you get 100mb(4g) from pre paid Tmobile and yes some are 4g but how is the coverage? Do they pay you to refer?. All things to throw into the mix.
What I like about Solavei is the buying power we get from our earnings,you shop at Walmart right?? How about some cash back.
Stop with the you wont get rich here stuff, most people in MLM won’t and never will but Solavei offers a chance to cut your wireless bill or even get it for FREE.
Most people I know are pre-paid and hate some of the carriers they are with. Lightyear,Solavei it’s easy to talk about and wireless is something everyone needs.
Average person stays with a wireless company for 28 months on average if they like the service. If you like Tmobile then Solavei might be for you, and with a roaming agreement with AT&T makes the coverage that much better.
The thing that attracts me about Solavei is that you can bring your own phone, almost any phone that works on a SIM Card. AT&T and T-Mobile phones, for sure, and many others.
I don’t need the latest and greatest gizmo and I don’t need a Gazillion GB of Data either! Many, many compatible phones are available on ebay and even your local pawn shop for way less than the price of a new one.
Right now I have an AT&T phone (Samsung Galaxy Appeal) without contract for $50 per month BUT no Data! Data-2GB per month-is $25 more per month! So when I switch to Solavei the monthly bill will be virtually the same but I will have unlimited Data. Sounds good to me!
IF…I decide later that I don’t like Solavei, for any reason, I can simply switch back to AT&T and keep right on trucking with the same phone!
I couldn’t care less whether 4G is slower or faster than LTE! I want a phone that does what I want it to do. I’ve got that. I am not about to spend $100 per month trapped in a contract. Solavei sounds like exactly what I want.
If some of my friends and acquaintances decide it’s a good deal for them too…great! If not…that’s fine also. I am getting a good deal…regardless. And the comment about the “Amway argument” is completely without merit.
What you are derisively calling the “Amway argument” is a perfectly legitimate reason to use any product. The fact that the person who is selling you the product will make money is true no matter where you buy the product, the difference is that Wal-Mart, Sears, etc. will never give you a chance to make any money with their products.
Amway and other MLM companies do. To dismiss that as the “Amway argument” is not very intelligent!
The founder of Solevei has FIVE federal lawsuits filed against him right now for SEC violations!
http://dockets.justia.com/search?query=Ryan+K.+Wuerch&search=Search&stateorcourt=&judge=&lawsuittype=&documentfilter=allcases&after=&before=
He was fired from his last company. He ran his previous companies into the ground and was responsible for the worst performing stock in Washington State last year.
He has unceremoniously fired THOUSANDS of people while stuffing his own pockets. He’s been caught lying on several occasions.
Jim Cramer, host of Mad Money, had to apologize to his audience for having this guy on!
http://wraltechwire.com/business/tech_wire/opinion/blogpost/9572755/
There has been so much negative publicity about him that he had to issue a propaganda sheet to his employees so that they’d know how to respond when everyone asked them about him: http://pdfcast.org/pdf/ryan-w-talking-points-faq
What happens if Solavei tanks based on the open lawsuits and Wuerchs past performance? How do you think your friends will view you? As a friend? Or as an opportunist who can only see you as 1/3 of a trio?
Do your homework and be very very careful about doing business with this company.
So your only argument it “it can make me money”, which is the essence of Amway argument: “You use this any way, you may as well use this and make me some money.”
So you actually AGREE with me. Which would indicate that you are very confused.
Maybe we have different ideas of what “confused” means. It is very clear to me that the idea of being able to make a profit from a product that I am going to use anyway versus not making a profit, is pretty simple.
Correct me if I have the wrong idea from what you said before but I got the impression that you thought that the “Amway argument” was specious! I, however, think that the idea that I can make a profit from sharing a product that I use every day is a great idea!
So, if contrary to the impression that you gave me, you AGREE that the so-called “Amway argument” is a winning argument then your are correct…we are in complete agreement!
It’s a great idea for YOU, as an affiliate, a so-so idea for the person you’re trying to convince to switch.
It’s not a win-win situation. How are you going to convince your customer that it is? That is your problem.
What are you suggesting ?? ATT spends almost $3billion because it doesn’t work ??
That they don’t get back more than they expend ?? It’s a plausible sounding argument very often used by MLMers, but, it’s an entirely specious argument at best and deliberately misleading at worst.
Anyone who wants to pay for the privilege of going up against just ONE of his/her competitors which can still remain in profit AFTER spending $3billion is welcome to it.
Even more misleading is the implied proposition that face to face and/or word of mouth can somehow replace the sort of multi media saturation that $3billion can buy is in for a rude awakening.
Oh, and BTW, your “ATT spends $3billion on advertising is grossly inaccurate in itself. AT&Ts’ annual advertizing budget for 2011 ran at around $1.3 billion, NOT $3 billion. Then again, we’re talking a communications based MLM company.
Who expects honesty ??
Wow, I learnt a new word today-“specious”. 🙂
If any of these companies offered unlimited data with the ability to tether to my laptop, I would join in a heartbeat.
We may both be wrong on the total ad budget for ATT little round man.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-42747976/say-goodbye-to-the-girl-in-the-pink-dress-winners-and-losers-in-the-attt-mobile-deal/
How ever much they spent, rest assured that cost was shifted back to consumers in their bills. There is a better way. Give those ad dollars to the consumers. It’s an old idea.
Just wait a couple of months and get back to me here.
@ Experienced, None of the links you provided validate the worst claims you made about Ryan’s business history. That doesn’t bode well for my confidence in your predictions about Ryan’s business future.
I have done a ton of research before leaping and I haven’t found any information about companies he “ran into the ground”. That’s not even true of Motricity. I would appreciate any additional clarity you could offer.
You weren’t an investor in Motricity perchance? If so I hope you learned the valuable lesson of a diversified portfolio.
Really? The main reason that I am switching to Solavei is the VALUE! The ability to pass this on to others and make money is just icing on the cake! Sounds exactly like the definition of a Win-Win situation to me!
And…no, that’s not my problem…I’m not going to even try to convince them! If they can’t see it, that’s their problem, not mine.
All I’ll be doing is sorting people, they either see it or they don’t…next!
@Roger — ah, my mistake. I assume you meant you want to join as an affiliate, not as a CUSTOMER.
So why *do* you want to switch to Solavei? Do they really offer a better deal when compared to other wireless packages? In which scenarios?
@ K.Chang: I covered that in my first post above, I believe that my explanation as to why I am attracted to Solavei’s offer is very clear. Here it is again:
StraightTalk is an MVNO offering 44 dollar a month unlimited that throttles at 2 GB and nothing for referrals. That’s as close as you can get to Solavei.
T-Mobile is offering 49 dollar a month unlimited that throttles at 2GB and up to 250 a year for referrals. Your mobile coverage with Solavei will be identical to T-Mobile. Boost mobile also offers limited 25 dollars per referral and 49 a month for half the data usage.
You can also get referral bonuses from Direct TV and a variety of other products. All of these companies have massive ad budgets that you the consumer pay for.
If anyone knows of a better deal than Solavei, I’d like to see it.
Oh, and if you think that your contract with a major carrier gives you priority service on their network guess again. That’s against the law with the exception of emergency responders. Your contract with the major carrier finances their massive ad budget.
And, to LittleRoundMan, if peer marketing is inferior to traditional print and broadcast marketing, how did Solavei manage to sign up over 60k subscribers before they even launch? (in less than three months) Do you think it’s at least possible for that subscriber base to continue expanding geometrically once product begins shipping?
Keep in mind that every phone is a virtual mobile kiosk capable of enrolling subscribers one after the next, all day long.
Solavei is more than just mobile service. Yesterday I enrolled in the main system and got to log in to their (my) social commerce platform and look around. Think Amazon meets Avon meets Twitter. They’ve exceeded my expectations.
I think this could very well be a sea change in American commerce. Imagine if companies stopped competing through advertising and started competing through quality products at good prices. We the consumers can take over marketing.
Instead of Occupy Wall Street, lets occupy Madison Avenue.
Oh, I dunno.
Probably the same way Zeek Rewards got 1 million+ people to sign up for a non existent penny auction site.
The lure of something for nothing is a mighty powerful motivator.
If signing people up is the goal, then I guess the world of commerce IS about to change.
However, since this isn’t September 21, we can say with full confidence that all Solavei is really offering is words at this stage.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating and there’s many a slip twixt cup and lip and whatever other cliches you’d like to throw at a “pre-launch” MLM
@ littleroundman
Exactly!
As mentioned before, everybody is getting into wireless as MVNO’s. Even Radio Shack themselves.
MetroPCS was first with one-price, no contract, everything plan, and their current plan is $40 for unlimited everything (first 250MB at 4G LTE speed)
Solavei’s plan is not *that* much better than the rest. It’s decent for people with existing GSM phones, unlocked, preferably existing T-Mob phones, but not very futureproof.
We shall see!
Avon is probably just a 130 yearlong fluke.
@K. Chang, I’m glad you can admit that Solavei’s value proposition is unmatched finally!
I was also approached by a friend who is looking to grasp on to something. He is now focused on Solavei there cell plan is not any better then the phone you can get at a walmart or other stores that sell prepaid phones.
The only reason to join Solavei is to recruit. How many cell phone mlms have had success? I not a player in cell phone mlms because technology changes to fast and Iam happy with my service and not changing
@Scott, I did NOT “admit” anything. I pointed out that Solavei’s plan make sense to SOME people. It’s not a universal Win-win.
@K Chang. I stand corrected. Good point. It’s not a win-win if:
1. You don’t live in an area with good T-Mobile coverage.
2. You don’t use more than 2 GB of data a month.
3. You do use more than 2GB of data a month but it’s through WiFi.
4. You refuse to recruit anyone AND one of the above is also true.
If you use (or would like to use) more than 2GB of 4G data a month than there is no better deal than Solavei. (Yet. We’ll have to see how the competitors respond) “Recruiting” a downline is optional.
I’ll repeat, if someone knows of a better deal I’d be interested in seeing it. These are close:
walmart.com/cp/1083044
explore.t-mobile.com/phone-sim-card
http://www.straighttalksim.com/
@Dominic, the only typical MLM cell company I know of is Lightyear. Their value proposition is 60 a month for 3G and 70 a month for 4G on the Sprint network. It is truly unlimited unless you’re tethering, as far as I can tell. Figure that one out!Im using solvia plan. It 49 buck and sent a dam photo is tooling forever to reach other person cell phone. Any help?
WOW, what a shark-tank! I found this site Googling around for info about Solavei. I’ll be leaving a bit more confused.
I am a 56yo that has been using computers since DOS, but I could not be considered a “power-user”. I still have difficulty reading heavy content on a monitor, and I do not touch type, which makes me a dinosaur. (LOL)
I was involved with Excel in the late 80’s, and I always wondered where it would end. Who knew back then that cell-phones with unlimited long-distance would take over the world?!
I liked the sound of Solavei right off the bat. I’ve been using T-Mobile affiliate i-Wireless with little complaint for 7-8 years. Love the simplicity of it. Any vendor or offering with more than 3 conditions that affect me is a non-starter. Tired of being promised the moon and being delivered a rock!
With all that said, I’m leaning toward Solavei’s offering. CEO’s come and go, and if they change things for the worse, I will be better educated by the experience and can return to my previous carrier or another carrier that my new education tells me is a better deal.
I just want good service, and I am willing to pay for it. I bitch up a storm when I don’t get what I am promised.
Wish me luck!
@Vernondo — well, what are you confused about? The service, or the “opportunity”?
I am confused by all the information, argument, “back & forth”, on this issue, Mr. Chang.
(Ozedit: removed offtopic ad hominem attacks)
@Vernondo — there are two separate issues regarding Solavei
A) Is it a good phone carrier? (Good phones, good service, good price, etc.)
B) Is it a good and legal opportunity? (compliant with laws, actually sell service to customers, instead of recruit more affiliates, etc.)
So far, the consensus regarding A) is that it’s good, but not outrageously good. There are cheaper and/or better options out there.
There is no consensus regarding B) This “Trio” thing is a bit controversial, as it’s on the borderline of pay-to-play, but as long as Solavei makes sure their affiliates are selling Solavei the service, and not Solavei the income opportunity they should survive any FTC inquiries.
K. Chang;
Thanks for clarifying for me. It is my intention to sell “Solavei the service, and not Solavei the income opportunity”, as I have had my phone through i-Wireless/T-Mobile for 7-8 years, I am not a “power-user”, and have had no complaint with the service providers.
Again, thanks for the input.
I have been looking all week…At the Phone deals…. Not so much as an income source but as the right one to present to people. I do much better earnings wise in networking with health companies and enjoy the benefits more…
I liked the Walmart deal of $45 a month unlimited and no contract..and could still end up choosing it.. However easier for a T-Mobil or ATT person to switch I am Sprint..
What I like about Sprint or others Like AT&T or Verizon or even the T-Mobile is phone choices are just so much better. Then add in the rebates and discounts and well I may go back to Sprint With the Phone Choices Pulling me as they are just what people want for most part..
I like the light year marketing plan the best over Vitel and Solavei.. and OMG I hate the name Solavei.. The worst part of their marketing plan is the name… and Their no so simple marketing plan with confuse the people with the trio’s jargon..
But what really got me was I had One Phone choice with Solavei.. Really One Phone Choice..? or get else where with SIM..
Anyways with 30 years networking experience I still cant find a phone ML to go with. And I was really looking and now bummed.. the right MLM Cell deal may appear some day where I can be proud to share.. But not yet..
So yeah I’ll decide soon enough but it will be Walmart or Sprint at time of this writing..
S
Very interesting! Is this available in the UK yet? How does one pay? Direct Debit? The price is not too bad but you need a very large range of phone. I like all the smartphones which I get free.
William
Is Solavei available in Australia and is it compatable with the iPhone? I don’t want opinions I want facts only.
AussieRob
I just heard about this from a guy in my office who volunteers for the Chamber Of Commerce. He had a flyer/s in his shirt pocket and after some talking I asked what those papers were sticking out of his shirt pocket. He gave me the flyer and briefly told me about the company.
I’ve got this currently:
1) In contract with AT&T and about $200 to get out.
2) Been with AT&T since the iPhone first came out.
3) I pay $130 per month U.S. (I’m in Florida)
4) I have great service including customer service.
5) I like to get phone upgrades when available.
6) I’m sketchy about new companies. They scare me.
7) ………..ect.ect.
Bottom line is:
1) I’m tired of spending $130 per month.
2) I have no problem paying for a divorce from AT&T as far as getting out of my contract because frankly my butt is getting sore from this banging they are giving me every month.
3)AT&T currently doesn’t pay me anything. Not even for a referral. I refer people to AT&T all the time.
4) I’M AN OPEN MINDED OPPORTUNITY SEEKER. This sounds like a good opportunity.
See I believe that in this day and age, if you are going to market a product, it should be recession proof. So what is recession proof? Vitamins? NOPE. Juices? NOPE Televisions? NOPE.
Recession proof things are: Alcohol, Cigarettes, Medication and perhaps our healthcare sales to over 65 year old people in this country until the government takes that away from being able to be sold or our country goes bankrupt.
Any way, I throw cell phones into the recession proof category. You can go to a food line and a guy wearing old clothes and a blanket who doesn’t have a home will either have one or all on his person of smokes, alcohol and sometimes even a cell phone. People in this country will pay their cell phone bill before they pay their rent.
NOW I’m not too sure what the compensation plan is because you could be marketing gold bricks but if the compensation plan sucks then you are SOL.
I do know there are thousands of OPEN MINDED OPPORTUNITY SEEKERS like myself out there and with any opportunity you just have to find them. You must have a product that you are passionate about. You must be willing to give it 120%.
Ya know people always ask me how this works or how that works or why this won’t work and why that won’t work EXCUSES. THERE ARE ONLY EXCUSES AND RESULTS folks. That’s why 20% of the people in this world make most of the money and 80% don’t.
I’ve heard them all (EXCUSES) “I’m too tall, I’m too short, I’m too fat, I’m too skinny, I don’t know anyone, I know too many people, My city is too big, my city is too small, ECT. ECT. ECT.”
The biggest thing I have found is:
1) Don’t try and be in the ‘CONVINCING BUSINESS’. I see some of you posting on here trying to convince one another of something. Be in the ‘REJECTION BUSINESS’ instead. If you are at a restaurant you ask the waiter “so Joe, are they paying you what you are worth here?”
If he says yes you say “I’m sorry I can’t help you then.” He may persist and want to know what is you were going to help him with but you must say “I’m sorry I can’t help you now, you are happy”. One day Joe will be ripe for you and he may even chase you down desperately wanting to know what you have to say.
2)DON’T OVER COMPLICATE IT. People ask a million stupid questions then you are doing something wrong. When people do it to me like ask for instance “how does the signal get from one phone to another (if we are talking cell phones), I might ask them “why do brown cows eat green grass and have whit milk? I don’t know and I don’t care. I just know that milk is drinkable.”
FIND OPPORTUNITY SEEKERS AND STOP MAKING EXCUSES. REMEMBER, THERE ARE ONLY EXCUSES AND RESULTS. IT’S UP TO YOU!
Oh dear. Basic MLM due diligence fail 101.
Hey, Benji,
we’re putting together a party of people to climb Mt Everest in our underpants next week. Interested ??
But, But, Benji, didn’t you say there are only excuses and results??? Why aren’t you interested ???
What a lot of populist nonsense you spout, Benji.
I don’t analyze compensation plans. I have it done for me so that if the comp plan is doable then I have somebody smarter than I figure out how to MAXIMIZE the comp plan.
The guy who does mine earned in ex excess of $50,000 per month in Excell Communications years ago and currently helps MLM companies as a consultant.
Is there any money in it? Everything worth doing is worth doing for money (my philosophy). (Ozedit: removed adhominen attacks)
Just an FYI. I haven’t done a MLM in several years. Haven’t found one that has a decent comp plan. Now on top of a decent comp plan, it must also be recession proof.
Oh wonderful, you sound like a scammers wet dream.
I take it “doable” means make you money.
We take things a bit more seriously here, your hip pocket (or that of your analyist) doesn’t factor into the equation.
That explains why your comments sounded like you’re REPEATING other people’s ideas. You have a mentor telling you what to do and what to say, I’ll guess? Or you are repeating something from selfdev books?
Even if you have repeated it correctly, it didn’t sound genuine. It didn’t sound like it was based on your own experience and ideas. It sounded like “recipes” rather than real life experiences.
He’s surely “trainable” to become one, willing to repeat each and every instruction from a “mentor”.
I have experience in direct sales, I love what I do, and I see a great opportunity with Solavei. However when MLMs become involved, seems like it’s a whole different ballgame.
The FTC has taken down the largest companies in the industry. Companies that seemed to be already established, ( FHTM, Herbalife). Just want to be sure that this company is on a good platform.
I do not want to promote a company that later on the road will come crashing down.
On a sidenote, The work your doing is awesome.
Cheers and thanks for reading.
If I can add my own little sidenote though, the FTC haven’t taken down Herbalife (yet).
They haven’t officially confirmed an investigation being open into the company however there’s a pretty good chance they’ve got one going.
To date Herbalife have only confirmed the existance of an SEC investigation into the company.
Surprisingly this has been removed, There is no new subscriber sign up fee. Just the normal service fee of 49$.
There’s a nifty little phrase often used in legal circles: material difference
It’s used something like this:
there is no MATERIAL difference between situation A and situation B
Solavei calls it a “service fee” not a “subscriber sign up fee”
What “material difference” is there between that and saying “members have to pay to play”
There is no pay to play. Just like OZ said himself, what else can you do with a cell phone service? Use it of course.
Just want to point out that there was a new subscriber fee plus the monthly service fee, now there is none. Just wanting to keep the facts straight. That’s what this blog is about right?
So how much is the service fee, and who has to pay it?
Activation fee I can understand. All carriers charge that. But “service fee”?
Sorry for not bieng clear, there is no fee to sign up. Only the 49 $ monthly service charge for the talk, mess,data. This was not the case when solavei initially launched.
Just in case someone is researching solavei and decide not to join because of outdated information.
Now you’re making sense. “Service charges, which includes airtime, data pak, plus misc. taxes and fees”.
Just found this article. I will share my experience.
I heard about Solavei just before launch on Sept 21. I was with T-mobile already on a prepaid plan. When I was introduced, it just seemed like a no-brainer to me, especially since I did not see that I had anything to lose.
Well, it’s been a great ride so far, except the first month when they were syncing up with T-mobile towers, and possible also AT&T, since they roam on AT&T’s towers.
Imagine, just for sharing with a handful of friends, and they doing the same, my cell phone bill has been eliminated. Actually, they pay me on a Solavei VISA card every month, and my earnings pays for my cell phone bill, or power or whatever else.
Instead of marketing through expensive stores and advertising, they are paying us to spread the word. I’ve always shared great deals with friends, but I could never be “rewarded” every month for referring them. It’s an awesome concept.
I wish that I had taken it more seriously in 2012. I’m making money hardly trying. If I had focused more like I’m doing now, I might be where hundreds of other Solavei members are now, with enough money to pay most if not all their bills every month just from Solavei.
All I did was Just share a good deal with a few people. They enrolled themselves online. I just helped them find answers to their questions, if any.
Now some members are using any of the latest smartphones, including the iPhone5, Galaxy S4, or the Blackberry Z10. just so it’s got a SIM card.
The only cost to have service is $9 for a SIM card if Solavei ships one to you. Most new members enroll with a SIM card that the person who referred them provided for them free of charge. Aside from that, a new member just pays for their first month prepaid service of $49 plus taxes. From there it only gets better.
(Ozedit: recruitment spam removed)
IMPORTANT UPDATES on changes to the Solavei Compensation Plan:
Within the last several weeks, Solavei has made some changes that have removed some affordability obstacles for many who have expressed over the last several months a need for a lower entry fee for mobile service.
As the original article correctly states, a new service member was required to pay $49 registration, plus $29 for SIM card, plus $49 +taxes for 1st month prepaid service. In addition there was a fast-start bonus, which some members benefited from, but not most. For example, someone only interested in service did not benefit.
Now, a new member will pay for their 1st month of prepaid service, ($49 for unlimited Talk, Text and Data – BTW, First 4GB Data at 4g speeds, then lowered speeds. 98% never go over 4GB) and possibly a $9 SIM fee. If a new customer orders a phone through GSM Nation, or a current member gives them a SIM card, there is no $9 SIM fee.
Essentially, Solavei has made switching to their service very easy.
ALSO, they have simplified the compensation plan substantially, from 15 levels to 6 levels. An important reason for the change is that in the old plan a new enrollee would count for pay only if they were part of a Trio (group of 3) under one sponsor. Now all qualified members count toward compensation.
Also, before, a member was not considered qualified until 30 days after activation. Now it is only 15 days. This means that it is possible for someone to earn enough to essentially eliminate their cell phone bill every month 15 days after activating 9 people.
The fast-action bonus, which essentially provided earlier income (but, only benefitted some), was eliminated in favor of lowering the cost to become a Solavei member.
BTW, Solavei has always been trying to make the service (and opportunity) more affordable. When I initially enrolled, they gave me my 2nd month free. Later, as an appreciation, they credited my account for another free month of service (They even counted for earnings those whose service was paid for by Solavei).
Then, in a promotion around the holidays, they gave me another free month credit for enrolling 3 members in that period.
I certainly have felt that they are looking out for their members, and are looking for ways to make a positive difference in our lives. Solavei is NOT the typical company.
Now, they also have incorporated EQUITY STOCK OPTIONS. It seems that it is only going to get better.
With the retail program starting in JUNE, 2013, Solavei Merchant Partners will include: Walmart, Starbucks, Best Buy, Home Depot, Publix, Walgreens, Safeway, Sam’s Club, Petco, Sears, and hundreds more.
Solavei is definitely worth a serious look at. Since they DO NOT charge a Pay-To-Play fee, they will not get you rich at other people’s expense. However, this company is going for the Long Haul. However, the opportunity is AMAZING. Some members are already earning over a quarter million a year, and the numbers are growing every day.
BTW, OZ, Great Article! I appreciate you being thorough and frank.
Thanks for the updates John, I’ll add Solavei to my list to go over for an update.
Is this service in other countries such as Brazil?
Solavei LLC has filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy
chapter11blog.com/chapter11/2014/06/solavei-llc-files-chapter-11.html
Thanks for the heads up littleroundman.
I might have something up on this tommorow. From the filing their debt is $50M to $100M. They didn’t include their revenue in the filing (the court has requested it and marked the app as “insufficient” for the time being), so it’s difficult to see how big a problem this is.
The filing itself is 245 pages long. I skim-read it but it appears their debts are operation related as opposed to commission payouts.
I’m not a BR lawyer but seems the business model isn’t profitable. Can’t really fix that without drastically changing how the company operates.
I’ve pointed out YEARS ago that cell phone service is not profitable enough to support MLM. 🙂 Feels good to be right… 😉
http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2012/09/genre-analysis-mlm-and-mobile-phone.html