eBay suspending DS Domination seller accounts?
DS Domination’s bundling of “how to copy Amazon product descriptions into eBay auctions, markup the price and dropship” was bound to raise concerns at some point.
At the entry-level, which the company uses to demonstrate the concept of drop-shipping to new and potential members, it was always going to be a question of who would get fed up first – eBay or Amazon?
Firing what appears to be the first bullet at DS Domination members is eBay, specifically calling out a DS Domination member’s “selling practices and business model”.
In a recent post on the MoneyMakerGroup forum, DS Domination member “ProfessorX” shared the following message he received from eBay:
After reviewing your eBay account, we have concerns about your selling activity. As a result we’ve taken the following actions on your account:
– Selling privileges have been indefinitely restricted. You won’t be able to list new items. You’re also not allowed to register a new account.
– Some or all of your listings may have been removed. A list of any removed items will be listed further down in this email.
– We have credited any associated fees to your account.
Our decision is based on evidence from our records and our goal to keep eBay a safer place for buyers and sellers.
We’re not comfortable with your selling practices or business model, and we feel they don’t help to promote a positive buying and selling environment.
Please remember that you can’t use other accounts or register new accounts to sell on eBay. If you do, your accounts could be limited, restricted, or suspended.
eBay then go on to list 123 “as new” items he had listed on his eBay account, which were created in line with DS Domination’s claim that
any user can create an income within minutes. Simply by copy pasting product information from one company to another.
ProfessorX claims the account in question was ‘4 years (old), had a 100% feedback score and 45,000 dollar listing limit‘.
In their message outlining their concerns, eBay provided no recourse or appeal option for ProfessorX to engage in, nor did eBay seek any further information or an explanation before deciding to suspend the selling activity of the seller account.
Not surprisingly, ProfessorX is furious and appears to be done with DS Domination:
I’m sorry I ever came across this program. My ebay account has now been hit with permanent restrictions. All 123 items I had listed have now been removed and I am no longer able to list or sell any new items.
My friend who I share this account with is going to lose his mind tomorrow when he finds out that our account of 4 years that had a 100% feedback score and 45,000 dollar listing limit has been shut down.
This is total crap.
As of the time of publication I’m yet to see a response from DS Domination addressing eBay’s decision.
ProfessorX isn’t the only one having problems with DS Domination’s “list Amazon products on eBay” dropshipping approach though. MoneyMakerGroup forum poster “ibjulieb” shared her experience with DS Domination’s training last week:
I sometimes wonder how many people are actually making the 6 figures promised by Roger….I have followed the system to the “T”, have 350 really great items up, kickass titles, 100% feedback and am lucky if some of my 30 day listings get 2 or 3 views in a month.
I suspect that people who have never made a cent online are all ecstatic over a sale or two each day, which is what I manage, for hours of work. No “6 figures” here.
And I can’t, in good conscience, promote this to other people, with the inflated promises made by Roger, when the reality is otherwise.
I did all the things required to qualify as a Top Rated Seller. Indeed, I do get one or two sales a day…but with profit margins being what they are, that hardly propels me to a 4, 5 or 6 figure income.
If this is the first time you are hearing of challenges like these, you are not in the skype chats…people won’t say it in public chat, but privately, many are experiencing the same difficulties.
I applaud those of you who are making such a killing on ebay. I am not. After expenses, I am making a small amount of money each week.
Sometimes, I have 3 and 4 days in a row where I make NO sales. I can’t justify the added expense of the “upgrades” when that information is available elsewhere, for less.
Reach out to Roger? I don’t think so. He could care less…his only advice is to follow the system, watch the videos and wait to retire on the income.
Glad you are all having such success…but if you think it is across the board, you are mistaken.
To clarify, I haven’t seen any issues with eBay closing down any other DS Domination member’s account yet, but from both Professorx and ibjulieb’s posts above, cracks are clearly starting to show in DS Domination’s adopted business model.
What will be interesting to see is if eBay, having investigated ProfessorX’s seller account and identified “selling practices” and a “business model” they’re not comfortable with, will now target other DS Domination member’s eBay accounts.
eBay don’t have a problem with dropshipping per say, so this would appear to be a specific problem related to following DS Domination’s dropshipping advice and training.
I’ll certainly keep my eyes open on this end, and in the meantime stay tuned for a response from DS Domination on ProfessorX’s situation (probably around Monday US time).
Update 25th November 2013 – A DS Domination member raised the issue of ProfessorX’s eBay account getting suspended and received the following reply:
As you can see from even the comments on that page and from other users, this is blatantly false. The user that was suspended was NOT using DSD training, was attempting to use other people’s eBay accounts (hijacking) and was posting items that are specifically advised against in DSD.
As of right now absolutely NO DSD user has been suspended or blocked by eBay for using the Dropshipping model which is perfectly valid by eBay’s own policies.
We are speaking with our attorneys tomorrow to take action against this website’s owner for spreading provable falsehoods (slander and intentional dissemination of falsehoods). Please note that his evidence about this is:
1. A user who in his own words was not using DSD training and got banned for using other people’s accounts/using products that we advise against.
2. A user who is actually making $1000+per month using DSD currently and her complaint was just that she wanted to make more.
You know we have a great company and system when the ‘complaint’ against us is that our users are being successful. Please completely disregard this post, as long as you follow the training correctly you have no reason to fear about your eBay accounts.
If any person does have an issue with their account, we welcome them to open a support ticket. 99% of the time the issue is that they had done something in the past of were doing something against what we teach (like the user in that post).
In the 1% of the cases where there is an issue, we are able to usually help the user recover their eBay account and correct the issue.
Whether DS Domination are threatening to sue the MoneyMakerGroup forum, posters ProfessorX and ibjulieb, BehindMLM or all four parties is unclear.
If ProfessorX was “not using DSD training”, it begs the question of why he’s “sorry he ever came across” the program.
As for ibjulieb, what their point was there is also not clear. We reported it as (presumably) she posted it.
What is clear is ProfessorX has taken issue with DS Domination’s official response. In particular the company’s claim that he supposedly “hijacked” an eBay account.
In a followup directed to another MoneyMakerGroup forum member who accused ProfessorX of being a ‘100% a jealous competitor or a guy who screwed things up himself’, ProfessorX wrote
Now who is spreading false rumors..What hijacking you talking about. Me and my partner have shared an ebay account for years. never an issue TILL NOW.
Thats what i hate about this forum. Any time anyone has an issue people LIKE YOU who’s clear motive is to protect your cash cow always blaming anyone who doesn’t just sing the praises of a program so you can suck more people in.
I talked to ebay today and there response was “Were not going to tell you” which leads me to believe that whatever it is that I may have done wrong was not necessarily against the terms of service but against the spirit of it.
If ebay doesn’t have a problem with any of this then WHY all the sneaking around trying to stay under the radar? unsure.gif
I am well aware that the terms of service says drop shipping is okay..but im pretty sure that they envisioned people drop shipping from a wholesaler and not just taking RETAIL products from there biggest rival and JACKING up the price.
While not technically against the terms of service it does paint ebay in a bad light as it makes them look like the more expensive shopping option compared to Amazon.
If your so confidant in what your doing is right then why don’t you share your Ebay USERNAME with me. I would be MORE than happy to call ebay on your behalf so that they can crawl up your A$$ with a microscope…Lets see what you got to say then.
Common.. I’m waiting Put your money were your mouth is..
In line with the “hush hush we have all the secrets on how to sell Amazon products at a markup on eBay” nature of the business, it appears DS Domination feel discussion relating to member experiences with their training is off-limits.
Despite DS Domination’s apparent objection that this story, we’ll continue to post any further developments.
Update 28th December 2013 – I asked eBay about selling items from Amazon and apparently they have no problem with it. Still waiting on a reply from Amazon with their thoughts on the matter.
I personally think that it’s the TACTIC, about the promise of income, and not the drop-shipping, that got the DSD folks in trouble.
How long will it be before someone advances a conspiracy theory that eBay was jealous of DSD or MLM and is in bed with the evilGUBment to keep the little guy in chains?
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It all just sounds rather… shady.
what!! Rubbish..pure rubbish..this is nonsense and rubbish..another false promise down the preverbial toilet of death.
To quote OZ:
Oz, that’s the point – this guy professorX was doing EXACT WHAT DSD says NOT TO. You’re claiming he got shut down for doing what DSD teaches, when he got shut down for doing the opposite. He was using someone else’s account, bulk posting and even going after the products that DSD says not to.
I will put in a word to the DSD owners in the FB group to see if they want to respond to this officially, but I would advise that you not post stuff unless you have actucally investigated things.
ProfessorX got shut down for doing what he shouldn’t. Vast majority of DSD users have no problems at all.
eBay has AWLAYS shut down accounts of people doing shady thigns like this ProfessorX guy (who has a history of working with a lot of Ponzis if you looked into him at all). Blaming DSD for this is rubbish.
And what was that?
eBay have said they don’t have a problem with dropshipping… so what did ProfessorX do that DS Domination tell their affiliates not to do?
And what exactly is the basis of DS Domination telling their affiliates not to do any of these things? If it’s “because eBay will shut down your seller account”, why is this? eBay themselves state they have no problems with dropshipping.
Do eBay have a problem with people sharing accounts (joint owner)? Do eBay have a problem with bulk posting? Do eBay have a problem with “going after” certain products?
Their page on dropshipping certainly doesn’t seem to suggest so.
So, in your own words, dropshipping is fine. But sharing an eBay account with someone, bulk posting and “going after” certain products is “shady”.
Hmm.
The issue is that we do not know if “ProfessorX” or “ibjulieb” truly followed the modules, if their listings were in compliance (as DSD specifically states specific types of items NOT to list), if they have illegitimate activity on their account, or are just getting the “gist” of the training and not following through with the details.
As a moderator and a founding member of DSD, I see people constantly skipping over details and I advise my team to pay close attention to everything taught and not to deviate.
DSD is an upstanding company and people are succeeding. It is ridiculous to blame this training for an account being shut down.
What items and why can’t people list said items?
eBay’s dropshipping page says nothing about restricted items.
Also do DS Domination inform affiliates and customers that if they engage in dropshipping (which eBay has no problems with) but “skip details”, that they run the risk of eBay shutting down their account (and any subsequent created accounts) with no avenue for appeal?
Are you telling me that if I started an eBay account tomorrow and began listing items on Amazon that eBay would shut me down if I didn’t use DS Domination’s “secret” list of what not to list?
Because there are companies that don’t like their products to be drop-shipped, and often times people try to sell fake/fraudulent stuff (like fake iphones and such). Those companies usually report people to eBay when they suspect someone is selling fake goods and so on.
Clearly again you’ve done no reasearch on this – on the board that you find this random post there are other users who already pointed this out too, but you are more focused on sensationalism than correct info.
eBay also doesn’t like people sharing ebay accounts (logging into same account from multiple ips suggests a security risk). eBay also doesn’t like sudden spurts of activity, like this guy did – logging into someone else’s account, then posting a bunch of products, and posting products using model numbers and especially in electronics is considered high-risk activity by eBay.
ALL of these things are clearly taught and pointed out in DSD. In fact, my hunch is that this ProfessorX guy just watch a webinar, never even bought the product, and just tried to do this himself. It could be a LOT shadier than that, and you really should research something like before becoming a mouthpiece for someone like this.
The ONLY other negative review of DSD in about 90 pages of that thread is one lady saying that she’s ONLY making $1000+ per month right now as a $20 member of DSD. And when she was asked to specify where DSD ever made a promise of 6 figures with Step 1 (the $20 membership), she clarified that she just ‘hoped’ that she would make 6 figures with that level.
Think about this – for the first time there’s a legitimate company, massive number of users are succeeding, and there are TWO complaints:
1. Julie saying she’s only making $1k per month at the lowest level. Without recruiting or marketing or anything. This is laughable.
2. ProfessorX who seems like a shady character logging into someone else’s ebay account, listing high-risk products, getting his account rightfully flagged and then blaming DSD for it.
I’m shocked your review didn’t instead cover the phenomenon that for the first time in a MLM company 80%+ people are making money instead of taking massive losses in some disguised ponzi.
Yes, DSD says in every single video/training not to skip anything and to follow the details. And seriously, isn’t that common sense? Like any business if you don’t know about something you should learn about it first lol.
Next, there IS avenue for appeal and DSD teaches exactly what to do unless you’re someone with past history with eBay (like logging in from other ips/sharing accounts/creating multiple accounts/not paying ebay fees/not shipping products) – all of these are mentioned as problems and things not to engage in.
And yes, if you started an eBay account tomorrow, and started listing things without the proper training/product research/image corrections and incorrect titling you will get shut down or not make any profits. That’s WHY DSD is so important for even seasoned dropshippers like me. I mentioned earlier that I’ve been doing this for a long time, and for me the image correction, title builder and product research software are all very important at this point.
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Why not? And what does that have to do with eBay suspending seller accounts without warning?
Can you provide documentation from eBay to back up these specific claims?
I had a quick look for multiple people using a single eBay account but turned up nothing.
ProfessorX claims the account in question was several years old and had a 100% seller feedback rating. Why would eBay classify this account as “high-risk”?
That’s because you’ve got your MLM affiliate hat on. Whether people make money or not has nothing to do with business model analysis.
The fact of the matter is any commissions made in eBay have nothing to do with revenue within DS Domoination as an MLM company. The only revenue source for the company is subscriptions.
Can any of you DS Domination affiliates posting here provide how many affiliates vs. non affiliates you have signed up to the training?
These are all the questions you should have asked and researched BEFORE making this post. And if you’d just seen the responses from other people on MMG to this guy you would’ve gotten the answers as well.
You know nothing about eBay (obviously) so why not research or ask someone first? Clearly Dropshipping is fine with eBay, but this seller was shut down, so he must’ve had a problem other than just dropshipping, right? Instead of thinking that your first assumption is ‘it must be DSD’s fault!’?? Seriously how irresponsible is that?
And then you admit that you have heard of no one else having this issue (and there are 15,000 people in DSD so that should tell you something) but you are going to assume it’s DSD’s fault. LOL!
And your final evidence is to quote a woman whose account is perfectly fine, is making money, and her complaint is that she’s not making 6 figures in her first month, after spending $20 with DSD. You realize how biased and irresponsible you sound?
Do they warn affiliates and customers that if they don’t, eBay will close down their seller accounts indefinitely without any avenue for appeal?
I’ll just quote eBay themselves here:
Go and look up the definition of “indefinitely”.
Why? eBay have no problem with dropshipping – they said so themselves.
If they do have problems with dropshipping, which you claim based on nothing eBay themselves provide information wise, I need to pay DS Domination to learn how to get around these restrictions? Hmmm.
Final warning, enough with the derail attempts. If you cannot stay on topic you’ll be spam-binned.
First, this is irrelevant, but I will gladly answer – I’m a user of DSD and not an affiliate at all. I clarified this already. In their webinar a few days back they clarified that becoming an affiliate is the LAST thing they suggest and the whole idea is to have customers. They also earlier clarified that less than 30% of DSD users are also affiliates. So good attempt at the derail but fail. The point of this discussion is that you claim that eBay is cracking down on DSD members with your only proof being a post by one guy.
Electronics are notorious for being targeted by counterfeit product sellers. eBay looks at accounts selling such things more seriously than others.
If you don’t see what’s wrong with ProfessorX then no one can help you:
He takes a several years old account that did not belong to him (most likely purchased on the ebay blackmarket but lets assume it was his ‘friend’s).
He goes into this account that has been more or less dormant for a while, and suddenly posts hundreds of the type of product that eBay considers ripe for fraud.
Not only this, but he uses the exact model numbers and names, in the same way that counterfeiters always use.
For all we know ProfessorX WAS trying to sell counterfeit goods and now is upset about it. The fact is that nothing that he did is in keeping with what DSD teaches. So why are you trying to somehow blame DSD for this? You’ve had different users tell you that he’s not doing what DSD teaches. You have people in MMG saying the same thing. I, as a member of DSD, am telling you this guy is NOT following DSD. So how does his issue reflect on DSD?
There are thousands of dropshippers and non-dropshipping eBay users banned daily. Is DSD responsible for all of them too?
Please don’t waste my time, just answer the questions.
By all means, if there’s something inaccurate about what has been published point it out. By a DS Domination founding affiliate’s own admission, DS Domination members are “skipping over details” constantly.
You’re going to tell me this is simply an isolated incident? Furthermore how do you think this is going to play out if complaints are filed?
Look at the bigger picture here. 15,000 members (how many are retail?) and this is where we’re at. Now scale that up over the next 12 months.
You can write off ibjulieb’s complaints, but the fact remains – she still feels she was mislead by DS Domination’s “copy product descriptions from Amazon and paste them on eBay” sales pitches.
Wait are you even reading the comments? I just said that YES, they specifically say that if you do these things you will get banned. Most of this is common sense stuff.
eBAy does NOT have a problem with dropshipping, they have a problem with people using multiple accounts, listing items that present a risk for counterfeit (which ProfessorX was perceived as doing whether he did or not).
Please re-read my statement. There IS a recourse for appeal UNLESS you are banned for the activities I mentioned (multiple accounts, failure to pay fees, failure to ship products in time, presenting false information and so on).
The bottom line is that ProfessorX was not banned for Dropshipping, and he was not banned for being a DSD member. He was banned for multiple accounts/fake account, listing items that present high risk for counterfeit (check his listings, some of the terms users are so commonly used by scammers that even MMG flags it as ‘I am a spammer’).
How this guy becomes your evidence against a company with 15k active users with nearly no problems is what I don’t quite get.
Glad to hear there’s at least one retail customer then. We’ll have to wait for an actual DS Domination affiliate to share their numbers in the meantime.
If less than 30% of people paying money to DS Domination are not affiliate, then that’s great to hear. You introduced the topic of people making money, so you’d probably want to congratulate yourself on any evident derail attempt there.
That’s great. What does that have to do with legitimately dropshipping products from Amazon?
So, you cannot provide any documentation from eBay on any of those points. Cheers.
“For all we know”? Let’s stick to what happened. A DS Domination affiliate had their seller account suspended.
Does DS Domination inform all customers and affiliates they if they “skip details” they will have their eBay accounts suspended indefinitely?
If they’re DS Domination affiliates, potentially.
Julie felt misled for her own reasons. DSD has never claimed to my knowledge that you can make 6 figures as a pro member in your first month. Her feelings are irrelevant if they are not founded in objective truth.
And yes,, people DO skip over details, but most of the time those details affect their profitablity, not the integrity of the account.
I mean seriously, this is common sense – don’t log into other people’s accounts/use fake accounts. Even skipping this statement most people won’t try to do this.
And right, 15,000 members and this is where we’re at – ONE guy who gets shut down for attempting clearly shady stuff.
And of course this won’t be isolated, there are countless complications with selling on ebay in general (which is why a step-by-step system and software like DSD is needed). I would think 15,000 members and one public complaint from a guy doing exactly the opposite of what DSD says is a pretty good track record.
Oh and at end of 12 months, this won’t be an issue because of the plans that DSD has already made their members aware of (their internal product sourcing, manufacturing, and shipping). But since that’s not here right now, to discuss that is irrelevant, as is the assumption that somehow problems will increase if DSD keeps growing.
* DSDomination markets an endless chain recruiting scheme which involves eBay and Amazon
* Critics warn eBay and Amazon will react badly and account cancellation is a real possibility
* eBay reacts badly and begins cancelling accounts, exactly as predicted.
* DSDomination affiliates attempt to rationalize, justify and shift blame for what was an entirely predictable outcome occurring.
* DSDomination affiliates take the extraordinary step of claiming eBay is somehow going against its’ own policies and blaming IT for their accounts being cancelled AND to make things worse, do so in a very public and defiant manner.
What’s that old adage about not pulling the tigers’ tale ??
Let’s clarify a few things. ProfessorX never claimed to be a DSD affiliate. So no, a DSD affiliate didn’t get his account shutdown. A guy CLAIMING to use DSD training got his account shut down. Whoops, turns out he’s not using DSD training at all…so wait, just a random guy got his ebay account shut down and you’re pinning this on DSD with no evidence as such.
Does DS Domination inform all customers and affiliates they if they “skip details” they will have their eBay accounts suspended indefinitely?
Wait, does DSD have to tell people that if they scam people by taking their money and sending their product they might be shut down? Because I’m pretty sure that falls under common sense category.
And yes, DSD tells people that if they do certain things they will get shut down or get in trouble. In fact, even in their ‘prospect’ webinar, they specifically stated that there are certain things that eBay does not like, and what the best practices are.
So yes, they do warn people about that. This doesn’t relate to ProfessorX because he is NOT using DSD training, and blatantly doing prohibited activity. We don’t know anything else about ProfessorX. We don’t know if he was scamming people. What we do know is:
1. He was listing items that ebay watches more carefully.
2. He was listing them in a way that typically counterfeit product sellers do so.
3. He was using someone else’s ebay account (possibly he had his own shutdown already).
4. the points above are all opposite of what DSD teaches, and his claim that his shut down was related to DSD is bunk.
Where is this information provided by eBay? It’s certainly not on their “we have no problems with dropshipping” page.
Well, with eBay stating indefintely, you’re going to have to provide some evidence of an appeal’s process existing. And please don’t waste my time stating I need to pay a DS Domination affiliate money to find out.
Either there is or there isn’t. eBay’s wording sounds pretty conclusive to me.
How can you state that with any degree of certainty? Here’s what eBay said:
This however I can agree with,
I don’t think eBay would use that as a blanket criteria for account suspension.
Right. A DS Domination affiliate’s eBay has been indefinitely suspended, another affiliate is complaining about being mislead by DS Domination’s sales pitch and according to a founding member, the practice of “skipping details” is “constant” by DS Domination affiliates, which we now know runs the risk of having an account indefinitely suspended.
Yeah. “No problems”.
If I see a problem I’ll break it open for discussion. I certainly thought a DS Domination affiliate’s eBay account being suspended warranted a deeper looking into.
WAit are you even reading this littlecircularhuman?
DSD didn’t ever market a chain recruitment scheme. In fact they highly de-emphasize the affiliate side of things.
Amazon and eBay are not reacting badly to DSD at all, they are reacting badly to ONE GUY (ONE/EIN/SINGLE/1) who is doing the things that eBay doesn’t like, that DSD warns not to do.
He got shut down for exactly the same reason that countless other accounts get shut down daily.
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http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/replica-counterfeit.html
If ebay suspects you are selling counterfeit/recplica items they will shut you down.
http://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling-Manager/Can-I-have-multiple-users-on-one-eBay-account/td-p/1319953
Ebay does not allow multiple users on same account. When they suspect as much, they will flag or limit an account. You can call in and appeal this if it’s a mistake. However, this is an obvious case of one person using another’s account. The shut down was valid and warranted.
ProfessorX was dumped for these reasons. Nothing related to Dropshipping or DSD just like eBay said so in their email.
Stop referring to him as a DSD affiliate. Being an affiliate in DSD is different from being a DSD user. I’m a DSD user but not an affiliate. We have no indication that he was an affiliate.
A DS Domination member had their eBay account shutdown. Yeah, it happened – deal with it.
I’m just going to quote ProfessorX:
He’s a member (affiliate/customer is irrelevant within the context of this discussion).
Again, a DS Domination member had their eBay account shutdown.
That’s not what I asked.
If they do this, and by “this” I explicitly am referring to the above, not a general “oh yeah you might get banend if you don’t do “certain things”, then there’s an issue here.
Certainly if members are constantly ignoring things and skipping over them, by admission of a DS Domination founding affiliate, it seems there’s a disconnect somewhere that needs to be addressed.
As a DS Domination member, it most certainly does.
1. Sorry counterfeit items? When did that happen? You tried to introduce that into the discussion but it was ignored. Please don’t make stuff and then try to pass it off as something that happened.
2. That linked page says eBay doesn’t offer multiple user functionality (similar to WordPress multiple users). It says nothing about multiple people using the same account.
Furthermore how would eBay even know how many people are using an account? Don’t give me horseshit about multiple ip addresses. Yeah, cause ebay users never use multiple devices and/or locations to log into their accounts.
Not within the context of this discussion. DS Domination affiliate or member, eBay seller accounts are the same.That said I didn’t mean to imply anything, it’s just a force of habit. I’ll use member from now on.
Skipping details doesn’t get anyone’s account shut down at ebay. Doing wrong things gets your account shut down. ProfessorX did things that are against eBay (as I showed in the previous message).
DSD DOES state that if you do XYZ you will get banned by eBay. Whether someone chooses to follow that or not is upto them and not DSD’s responsibility.
The first video begins by saying that you need to take your time and go through all the videos and not skip around as failure to follow can result in issues ranging from lack of profits to getting in trouble.
You’re now demanding that DSD needs to have a disclaimer that “skipping details will get account on ebay shut down”??? Why would they say that?
You can skip most of the videos on there and you won’t get your account shut down. But if you do stupid stuff like listing counterfeit items (or ones that ebay suspects are counterfiet) or using other people’s accounts that’s between you and eBay.
DSD says not to do it, eBay says not to do it. You still do it, and now try to blame DSD for it. Doesn’t make any sense to anyone.
Who cares what they emphasize or don’t emphasize ??
It would be a pretty poor fraud indeed if the fraudsters came right out and admitted how they were defrauding people, wouldn’t it ??
The point is, if members CAN make the bulk of any income based solely on recruiting, then savvy and prudent investors should keep away.
Get-rich-quickers and HYIP ponzi players, on the other hand, will rationalize, justify and lay blame, rather than face reality.
As always, it’s your choice whether or not you want to gamble on DSDomination surviving long enough to make it viable for you in the longer term.
The writing is on the wall, but no one can force you to read it.
It does and by virtue of ProfessorX’s DS Domination experience, has already claimed at least one seller account.
Those links you provided, along with claims of the selling of counterfeit goods are invalid, as pointed out.
That’s not what I asked.
Because it’s important that customers and affiliates alike following the training understand that, if they skip any details, they run the risk of having their eBay seller accounts indefinitely suspended.
You might not think that’s an important consideration, I would disagree.
I know i’d be pissed if I was sold on copy and pasting Amazon product descriptions on eBay, signed up to DS Domination and then had my eBay seller account suspended.
We’re approaching this as an MLM opportunity. I can appreciate you’re not participating in the MLM side of things and have experience with dropshipping prior to your involvement in DS Domination. That is not going to be the case for every DS Domination member. I’d even go so far as to state your past experience puts you in a minority.
Read this statement clearly please. There are certain items that are counterfeited far more than others. Electronics for example, are usually targeted for this. When someone lists a lot of items with exact brand-name and model, eBay takes a good look at that account to make sure the seller is legitimate.
If they find any inconsistencies, they will ban the account. You don’t HAVE to sell counterfeit goods, they have to perceive it as such. This is why DSD says to stay away from certain categories of products because it invites unnecessary strictness from eBay.
In ProfessorX’s case, they did find inconsistencies, and thus he was banned. Oh and btw, that’s ONE guy, unrelated to DSD training out of 15k.
eBay does not allow multiple users to use the same account, hence the question of if it is possible, and eBay’s response that it is not. It is not usually bannable by itself but does lead to account flagging very commonly.
No, that’s the horseshit you need to know. eBay DOES flag accounts when the same person travels to another part of the world – especially if the nation itself is entirely different.
Such drastic changes in the IP will often result in eBay flagging the account. You can call in and clarify this and provide proof of ownership. However, if they legitimately know that it’s not the same person, or that there are other issues combined with this, you can kiss the account goodbye, just like Professor X.
(Ozedit: offtopic derail attempt removed)
Isn’t this company still beta testing? Or has it launched?
It seems in marketing there is always something that can make you good money or a lot of money and then it is just amount of time before you are banned , slapped, de ranked, de indexed, blah , blah , blah…everything has a life span when it comes to marketing and it looks like DS will be done very fast.
Article updated with official DS Domination response, and ProfessorX’s reaction to their claims he “hijacked” an eBay account.
@joshq
So? ProfessorX was copy and pasting items off Amazon. There is no question of counterfeit goods.
You keep trying to introduce this into the conversation and then pass it off as fact. That’s not going to work.
So eBay sellers globally are unable to list certain brands, irrespective of whether they’re dropshipping or not? What a load of nonsense.
So in following DS Domination training, one would be unable to address a perception on eBay’s behalf that you are selling counterfeit goods? Their advice as such is to just simply avoid posting such items altogether?
Not exactly confidence inspiring. If you’re not doing anything dodgy there shouldn’t be a problem, eBay in their own words have no problems with dropshipping.
Flagging an account for an ip address change has nothing to do with a seller’s “selling practices or business model”. Furthermore it’s a long bow to draw in claiming a seller logging in from different IP addresses would trigger a seller account termination without an avenue for appeal.
Finally, as with the whole counterfeit goods thing, there is no evidence to date that multiple IP addresses were used in this instance, let along IP addresses from “different parts of the world”. This is yet another attempt to inject something that didn’t happen (based on what is known) into the conversation and then build an argument around it.
Based on eBay’s choice of words (” we feel they don’t help to promote a positive buying and selling environment”) and ProfessorX’s response to DS Domination’s dismissal of his experience, I’m inclined to agree it’s feasible they took issue with the whole “copy and pasting of Amazon products with a markup” approach.
eBay gaining a reputation for “stocking” Amazon products at a markup is certainly not going to do them any favors. Especially with Christmas just around the corner.
Perhaps that’s what they took issue with?
Regardless, if nothing more comes of this than DS Domination informing members that not following their training verbatim will likely result in eBay seller account termination, then at least future instances of ProfessorX’s experience will not be duplicated.
That’s something one would imagine DS Domination would be eager to implement on their end. It would certainly be a more productive use of their time than threatening lawsuits over the mere discussion of member issues.
@Notasheeple
I wrote the original review based on the beta information known at the time. Haven’t written a followup because the DS Domination website still displays the message
Maybe they’re planning an indefinite beta, who knows. By all accounts the opportunity has launched so I’m not sure what the hold up is.
On this particular note:
Did they specify what percentage of the revenue is sourced from retail subscriptions?
Having less than 30% of members being affiliates is a pointless statistic if that “less than 30%” is the majority source of revenue (via top-tier subscriptions).
Firstly….Te Lamont is already pimping DSD. DSD is ok if you don’t mind bad feedback when their product arrives in an Amazon box and the pissed buyer checks Amazon and finds it cheaper
Only a matter of time I think before it gets shut down, I have seen feedback threatening to report to ebay also
I really think you need to do more research before you judge what 2 people have said about DSD. I’m not someone that will stand up for a company if I don’t believe in them, and I believe in DSD.
I also don’t believe people should be fool enough to think they can make a 6 figure income overnight.
Which other companies have you been standing up for earlier? “Most of them”? 🙂
Obviously Oz does not have a good grasp of Ebay’s policies. Reason being that Ebay is not very good at telling anyone what their policies are in practice.
Yeah they put up a policy for show but most of their policies are based on what they feel is important for the integrity of their site and users and are not written anywhere.
As they are a private business they can remove, suspend or limit any account they want for any reason. That is what you sign when you become a user on Ebay. Ebay is no different than Google, Amazoon etc… They all do the same thing.
The only way to make it through is with actual experience and someone sharing that experience with you. I would stop harping on the Ebay policy thing because when ebay sellers read your comments Oz, you lose credibility.
I had no idea what DS domination was, but some how this came up while searching for ebay seller information. If this company is providing ebay selling information at a reasonable price, good for them, it may save people months of practical testing to sell profitably on ebay.
Would marking up Amazon product listings to sell on eBay fall under this category?
Here’s an update from ProfessorX on how DS Domination advised him to handle the situation:
I wonder if eBay will respond. Y’know, seeing as them stating they have no problems with dropshipping isn’t evidently clear enough for some people.
Oz, this problem spans way farther than DSD. For whatever reason, eBay just has fun suspending legitimate sellers, especially during the holiday season. Check out this article, as just one example:
http://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/blog/blog.pl?/pl/2013/11/1383704417.html
Okay folks, just a couple comments. I don’t sell on eBay, I just buy stuff. However, I do know a few things. Maybe not as much as you guys, but I don’t “believe” in something either.
1) Yes, we have a very one-sided story from ProfessorX. We don’t have enough evidence to know just how close he followed DSD guidelines
2) We also don’t know if he could have done SOMETHING ELSE that would have triggered his ban.
3) Or perhaps something else, innocuous in itself, and DSD, also innocuous in itself, but when combined in a single account, results in calling down the ban hammer.
4) Yes, we can analyze his past account activity, and yes we can quote DSD guidelines for “alleged transgressions” and claim “that’s why!” but the truth is “we don’t know”, only eBay does, and they ain’t telling.
I personally am NOT convinced that DSD participation alone resulted in his ban. There is some factors at work that we don’t know about.
There are a lot of weird unspoken rules in modern internet that most people don’t ever hit. Did you know that if you reply to too many people on Twitter in a short period you get hit with a “suspension” for “aggressively following / replying”? I didn’t until I hit that limit. What’s that limit? I have no idea!
We may have hit one in eBay, and we’re dancing the dark here. Let’s not kick each other in the nuts. 🙂
I’ve seen it happen to a few people (I’m in DSD as well). All they do is call into eBay, show that they’re a real person and not a scammer, and every time they’ve gotten their accounts back within a matter of 24 hours, some even with their limits raised.
This has nothing to do with DSD itself. Nothing they do is against any regulations or rules. This is because of that persons personal listing activities.
I am canceling my DSD subscription. I can get the same info with Salehoo for $67.00 a year or dropship design for $99.99 a year. Plus a ton of wholesale suppliers.I am stuck with 9 items and ebay won’t raise my limits, at this rate it will take me forever to make any real money.
I honestly just have to say : LOL
We are still making 100s and 1000s of dollars per day plus making the companies Amazon and eBay 100,000s dollars more in profits!
So yea..
LOL LOL LOL
Copy and paste is against eBay’s policy?
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/image-text.html
Based on the volume of sales that were being made and the fact that an account was being shared by more than one user, the duplication policy may have been a reason for suspension. Here is a link to the full policy: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-multi.html
It says that accounts could be restricted or suspended if the policy is violated. I don’t work for ebay…but just what I found in the seller agreements.
Now if you had said “Based on my experience, this is because of that person’s personal listing activities” I’d REALLY believe ya. 🙂
Re. the duplicate listings angle, I scanned over the provided list of suspended listings and didn’t see any duplicates – http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Ds-Domination-Dsdominat-t454212.html&view=findpost&p=8069259#entry8069259
I also received this comment via email last night:
Finally I stumbled across this doing some additional research, it’s taken from the official eBay community forum (published 28th Oct 2013):
Food for thought.
http://community.ebay.com/t5/eBay-Stores/Any-one-heard-of-DS-Domination/qaq-p/18059285
@Kasey
I agree, but at the very least we’ve identified a potential red flag DS Domination members should be aware of. That being if you sign up and start dropshipping, don’t “skip” anything or eBay will likely suspend your account.
Whether this will be impressed upon new members going forward is up to the company. Clearly at its current level whatever they’re telling members in regards to accounts being suspended isn’t effective enough (going off ProfessorX’s experience and Kenya Alu’s comment).
I have joined just this past weekend and am already seeing profit. I have alled ebay, told them that I planned on drop shipping as well as selling items from my home. They had no issue with this what so ever as I asked if they had problems with drop shipping.
They had no issue except for counterfit items. Which myself has no intention of ever selling.
Obviously this X chummy isn;t telling his whole story. Seems like he is trying to shit on something good. Stick with in policy and you should have no issue…..!!!
Well, there seems to be a lot of speculation in this post, so instead of sharing biased opinion (isn’t all opinion biased to some degree?), I will share some facts and examples of things I have experienced.
As far as DSD, I have no clue if this company will be the greatest thing on earth, or if it will crash and burn in a couple of months.
All I know is I am grateful for what I have learned from this company, and for the income I have been able to create by following the training. While I am not making 6 figures, I have been able to significantly increase my income, for which I am grateful.
While I know some if not most of the training can be self-taught or found on the internet, I suppose the DSD training cuts down the learning curve.
I probably would not have thought of doing this on my own. My previous concept of eBay selling was that of physically shipping items, which did not appeal to me.
As far as eBay flagging or banning accounts due to counterfeit, trademarked items and such, yes it is true.
I have received two warnings, which I have heeded. These did not come with a ban, only a warning that if I keep listing these items it may lead to more severe measures. (I’m not sure if posting in bulk, causing in a bunch of these warnings at once could result in an ban.)
One of the items was a Shark vacuum cleaner. Basically the Shark company must have a crawler program to detect their images, which flagged my item for copyright infringement. I suppose I might still be able to drop ship the item if I buy one and take my own photos, but I decided against that idea.
The other item I don’t remember, but it was not due to the images. Rather the company did not like drop-shippers. Oh I remember, it was a Weider stationary bike. (as I found out later, DSD warns against this brand. Oops!).
As far as getting your account instantly shut down, try listing anything with “P90X” in the title and see what happens…
That’s what happened to someone I know. Let’s call him John.
I suggested John call ebay and let them know about the situation, and to promise to take the item down and not list that item again. Everything was going well until the ebay rep asked where John was keeping the items.
When the rep heard John was drop shipping, he got all upset and refused to reopen the account because “drop shipping is against the terms.”
Three calls later, three different reps, same answer. “You will never ever be able to sell on eBay ever again because you have violated the terms.”
Turns out John was talking to the Philippines “eBay police” department. Even when he called the general eBay number, he kept getting referred to the same department.
I asked him to call Seller Vetting department directly to explain the situation, and within a few minutes, his account was reinstated even though he clearly stated he was drop shipping from Amazon (as I have also done).
As far as drop shipping from Amazon, the only “warning” I got from only one eBay rep was to be careful because Amazon prices can fluctuate a lot and I won’t be able to control them.
Every time I call back to increase my limits, the rep will ask if I’m still drop shipping from Amazon, and I say yes.
At first I was a little scared about getting negative feedback from shipping Amazon items, so I tried using Doba, which is supposedly an eBay certified dropshipper. Problem was, their selection is smaller and Amazon KILLS them on prices, mostly due to shipping costs. I was only able to find one item with a lower price than Amazon. I did like their software, however.
Oh yeah, and when I mentioned Doba to an ebay rep (thinking they would like me using that instead) she asked me to spell it and said she’d never heard of it. So much for “ebay certified” and all that… lol
From my experience, it seems that a LOT of eBay’s rules of engagement are up to the customer support guys to interpret and implement as they see fit, as opposed to being set in stone. One guy would freely triple my selling limits, while the next guy I have to haggle and bargain with to get what I want (and sometimes still not get it).
So as for ProfessorX I have no idea what all the variables are in that situation.
But if you or someone you know (whether using DSD or any other eBay selling methods) gets their account banned, maybe try calling the seller vetting department.
Hmm.. what else did I forget…
Oh yeah.. after hundreds of orders I finally received one negative feedback (the item did not come from Amazon). Ebay removed it, as the customer only stated that I was selling an item from XXX at a higher price, nothing wrong with the order or the delivery.
Also for those complaining about not being able to compete while trying to sell their items, they don’t understand titles (DSD focuses on teaching how to create good titles).
Having an item title like “Item, Model, model number” won’t get you many views.
Thanks for taking the time to share all that Jay, good information to add to the discussion.
Just a quick note. If you sell on e-bay you have to fiqure in the seller’s fee which can range from 12-15%. plus you will have to pay a fee to Paypal for processing payment.
So, if you sell an item for $100.00 your going to hae an avg. of %15.00 in fees, so you will have to mark up the product enough for both fees and profit.
Also, if you are new to ebay and paypal your funds can be held for 30 days before they are available to you. So you better have the money set aside to purchase item on Amazon.
Of course once you establish your self these restrictions will fall away, But it could take up to 90 days to do so.
I have been in DS Domination for 3 months now. I never had an EBay account before or a PayPal account neither. I saw a comment above about a woman who said she’s only getting 2 or 3 views per month on her items. That’s impossible. Especially if she has good titles and items.
EBay has over 87,000,000 monthly visitors. Verify that here: siteanalytics.compete.com/ebay.com
My items all get 60-100 monthly views and I make sales every day. I have been blown away with how well I have done with how little effort I have put in. Yes it takes time and work. But compared to a traditional MLM company like ViSalus or Nerium, this is 10 X’s easier to create a solid income.
Anyone who’s complaining now doesn’t understand that a real business takes at least 6 months to start generating an income that can replace a full time job.
DS Domination has only been out for a few months. It’s obvious this woman joined after DS launched and is expecting a “get rich quick” result which DS never promises.
I have 2 friends that have been following Roger for years. One for over 2 years and the other for over 4 years. They are making 6 figure incomes on eBay. I’ve personally seen their accounts. Their incomes vary but average between $8,000 in a low month to $20,000 in a good moth in profits.
That picture of the person’s notification from eBay that got suspended for “not comfortable with their business model or selling practices” is a very generic email from eBay. I have seen 3 people receive this and 2 of them were for unidentified account users, and the other was for listing products that have copyright infringements. None of them were due to “drop-shipping from Amazon”.
My friend Jesse called eBay and when asked where he got his products from, he said Amazon. The EBay rep said that was fine as long as he provided quick and friendly customer service, and maintained a positive feedback rating.
So since nothing in that eBay response stated there being issues with drop-shipping from one site to another, we can’t insert our own presumptions ourselves.
Anyway, DS Domination is almost done creating their own product sourcing site where there will be just over 1.7 Million products to ship to customers that CAN’T be found on Amazon or any other “popular online web store”.
Right, and then what happens?
Every DS Domination affiliate clamours to list the few products that are actually profitable margin wise on eBay… pushing the prices closer and closer to cost.
Sounds like a long-term business plan…
The problem is you are being taught that its just copy and paste. Thats what gets people in trouble. Ebay says you are supposed to use your own images. And copying a description from a copyrighted website is illegal.
Although the pro level ds domination has an image scrambler and you should write your own description. But there is more talk at the pro level of just easily copying description and image and putting it on ebay. Just go to ebay and look up an item. there will be a whole page of white background products, obviously people copying and pasting from Amazon.
This method is not new to ds domination however and has been going on for years. The problem is with so many doing it now its tough to find products that will make you a few dollars profit after fees.
My personal opinion on experience and not based in assumptions, in DS Domination you are not being thought to just copy and paste like some people are posting here.
Copy and Paste is just that copy and paste and when you follow the training you are not being told at no moment to copy something and go and paste it and list it. There is more stuff to do but of course you need to take the training to understand.
Another term I saw here was Jacking Up the price. And that I know off nah you are not being told to “jack up” on the prices, like it doesn’t even make sense to “jack up the price” doing copy and paste which will lead you to non sales. So follow the training and that way avoid trouble because eBay does have rules and if you break them of course you will get banned.
Cmon man, troll Amazon for viable products, write non-specific non-brand mentioning ebay title, stay away from electronics and anything else that might shine the spotlight on you, jack up price from Amazon price and list.
It’s not rocket science.
Oh, I don’t find anything offensive or “fraudulent” about DS. it’s simply nowhere as lucrative as it needs to be. It’s basically eeking out a shadow-y existence hoping to stay under Amazon and eBay’s radar. The people who are REALLY making money are the folks selling the lessons. Those of you doing the actual selling aren’t gonna make much… if any.
OZ this is what you asked for.
I’m a DSD affiliate and here are my numbers.
On my first level I have 22 subscribers 5 are affiliates
2nd Level 21 subscribers and 2 are affiliates
3rd Level 33 subscribers and 4 are affiliates
4th Level 23 Subscribers and 8 are affiliates
5th Level 26 Subscribers and 4 are affiliates
6th Level 7 Subscribers and 0 affiliates
I read this entire thread. I’ve done plenty of MLM in my day and I don’t ever see opportunities where the majority of people in the biz are subscribers. These people are focused on building dropshipping now recruiting. I get messages daily about dropshipping now about how to make money recruiting.
DSD has a solid training program and I have personally been warned a few times about items I shouldn’t be listing when I wasn’t paying attention. So I just stopped listing those items and never had another problem. My limits have been increased to $45,000. There is nothing wrong with DSD. For me it’s the first time I have people thanking me for getting them in one of my “Deals”
If DSDomination was purely a Amazon to Ebay training manual then I would be nervous.
However, the “Find on Amazon and Post on Ebay” strategy is a mere training path of how to buy low and sell high and in my opinion they use Amazon as a marketplace to find such items. Furthermore, anyone with any knowledge of DSD realizes that this strategy takes a quick back seat once you have “learned” the concept.
I personally probably use Amazon for about 10% of the products I sell on Ebay.
Furthermore, the real money is actually selling on Amazon.
Therefore, although they may have started with this concept, the real value of DSD and the importance of maintaining a membership to DSD is far more then the simple Buy Low Sell High or “Find on Amazon, sell on Ebay” concept. ANYONE who has been in DSD can vouch for that.
Adios,
Seattle Slim
So pay more to learn “find on xxx and post on eBay/Amazon” strategies?
You know there’s forums that you can discuss this stuff on right?
Also I hope you’re not abusing Amazon Prime and are charging for shipping accordingly.
Well could not have gotten in trouble for bulk listings because ebay encourages ppl to use a free tool that they themselves promote, called Ebay turbo lister.
Many ppl use this to list items in bulk and then they upload it to the software that ebay has provided. You can edit prices, descriptions, pic, quantity anything that you need to do.
I was suspended a week ago and have been desperately trying to get eBay to reinstate the account. They wouldn’t help me at all and they keep giving me the runaround.
Would anyone advise going stealth on eBay? I read an article about it on Auction Essistance but still a bit skeptical about it.
If eBay banned you they did so for a reason. “Going stealth” doesn’t remedy the problem.
Anything suggesting stealth only means you will get caught again.
Ebay isn’t the only game in town. If you learned the proper way – you wouldn’t have started using dsdomination in the first place.
I can do what they suggest and more and it doesn’t cost me a dime in monthly fees. Plus I am not on ebay.
ebay fees are just insane.