Achieve Community sign Global Cash Card, co-founder bails
After Payoneer terminated Achieve Community’s payment processor services in early November, the opportunity has been in limbo for over a month.
Deposits into Achieve were re-instated two weeks ago via Asian processor iPayDNA, with members reporting unrelated companies showing up on credit card statements shortly thereafter.
Now it appears withdrawals are poised to start up again, with co-founder Kristi Johnson announcing today that Achieve has signed up with Global Cash Card.
In an update published December 18th, Achieve Community admin Kristi Johnson writes
Hello Achieve Community!
I just got off a call with our new payout processor…..
Our new Payout Processor is Global Cash Card.
You will NOT have to sign up with them through our system or their website. Achieve will send your information to them and then your debit cards will be sent to you.
You WILL need to activate the card when you receive it in order to be paid. This will be much easier for everyone!
Best news? The limits on Global Cash Card for us will be $5000.00 per day!
I will let you know as we go when to expect your cards. We will begin sending them out first to those members who joined us from the beginning through October 31st.
On their website, Global Cash Card advise that they are based out of the US state of California.
As to the cards they will purportedly be issuing Achieve Community affiliates,
The Global Cash Card Payroll Card is the leading way to distribute wages to your employees and a smart alternative to issuing payroll checks.
Wages? Employees?
Huh?
The Achieve Community solicits $50 investments from affiliates, on the promise of an advertised 800% ROI ($400). By signing up for Global Cash Card they’re now claiming their investors are employees?
How’s that going to work?
There’s also an “incentive card” advertised on the Global Cash Card website:
Global Cash Card understands that Sales and Marketing rely on incentives to motivate, reward, and inspire. Nothing shows appreciation – and builds loyalty – like a Global Cash Card incentive card.
It’s easy to add to your incentive program so you can influence consumer behavior, drive revenue, issue rebates, recognize staff, and motivate sales teams.
But “incentives” hardly describe ROIs paid out by a Ponzi matrix cycler, so I think that’s out too.
Of additional note is this line from Johnson’s update:
You will be able to repurchase positions with your Global Cash Card from your back office, but you will need to enter the card details.
It suggests that Achieve Community will be using Global Cash Card not only for outgoing funds, but also to accept payments from affiliate investors.
Whether this will result in funds passing through Global Cash Card to iPayDNA’s Chinese-based “high risk” solution accounts is unclear.
In accepting Achieve Community as a client, one would assume Global Cash Card have conducted thorough due diligence into their 800% ROI business model and compensation plan.
Achieve Community affiliates meanwhile have already taken to social media to assert just that:
GCC has obviously done their homework and have deemed the Achieve community to be worthy of their services. (December 18th)
In other Achieve news, co-founder Troy Barnes has announced he’s doing a runner.
Barnes disappeared around the time Payoneer shut down Achieve’s payment processor services. He’s made the odd brief appearance here and there since but, at least publicly, it has been his partner Kristi Johnson running the show.
Achieve investors have suggested that Barnes used Achieve funds to purchase a house and go-kart. It has also been suggested Achieve funds have been used to cover Barnes’ family-related medical expenses.
Indeed, Barnes farewell message certainly hints at as much:
Hello Achieve Community,
I’m sorry to say I wont be around much anymore. I have some Family issues to deal with and I’m sorry but that has to
come first.Enjoy all that Achieve Money your going to be making. I’ll be right behind you. I Love you all and wish you all a Happy
Holiday.Get ready for the Greatest New Year Ever.
To Your Success – Troy
A clear explanation to Achieve investors regarding Barnes abrupt disappearance has been suspiciously absent.
Despite his departure from the spotlight, comments from admin Kristi Johnson suggest that Barnes will continue to participate in Achieve as an investor:
Troy will always be a founder of Achieve and a member of our community.
I just want to remind you all that Achieve was designed so that you could have exactly the life you want to have, and that includes Troy!
How much Barnes has invested in Achieve and how much he has withdrawn remain a mystery.
Certainly the timing of Barnes’ departure won’t go unnoticed by Achieve investors wondering whether they’ll ever see their money again.
Stay tuned…
i’m thinking troy may start his own ponzi, there was something going on about vntelly, that was suspicious.
so now we have kristi johnson heading a blatant ponzi and screaming from the rooftops about it. only around 7% ponzis are headed by females. kristi is a rare goat. and completely oblivious to the risks she is exposed to.
Kristi flew to England in September and the Achieve cult thought that was wonderful. Did it not occur to any of them that she was spending their donations?
Of course not. In their mind they reasoned they’ll soon be like her: be able to spend money. (Whether it came from someone else is much like sausage making: too much information, don’t bother me with the facts)
so, GCC is in business with mastercard and visa and now achieve community ponzi scheme? does GCC want to get shut down like plastic card international?
has kristi misrepresented her business to GCC? why will GCC risk it’s life with the likes of achieve?
something smells wrong and something don’t fit here.
FYI, an “incentive” card is basically a “corporately purchased” gift card, usually in bulk, to be given out for loyalty, sales bonus, and so on. They usually feature the company logo.
Almost guaranteed so, IMHO of course. Either AC is buying incentive cards for the withdrawals, or they’re giving out reloadable ‘wage’ cards.
Given that Kristi is claiming that the information will be sent, and members need to do nothing, I’m voting for ‘wage’ cards.
The question here is GCC liable, since they really *are* just doing what they’re contracted to do… pay people with the money transferred to them minus some misc fees?
They, IMHO, would have a “good faith” defense should the authorities come calling. They don’t know the source of the money.
payment processors cannot behave like mini SEC’s or FTC’s, they cannot be held responsible for the legality of the businesses they are processing for. they can of course use the ‘good faith’ defense if the matters reach a court.
but well established processors like GCC, will AVOID getting entangled in the ponzi world, because as they handle people’s money, and appearances of integrity and a clean reputation is everything in the money business.
if the achieve bubble grows fast, maybe GCC will realize they’re not dealing with wage or incentive payments, but dirty money?
I can see it now, Kristi will claim The “Trolls” have threatened GCC by saying that Achieve is a Ponzi etc so GCC will have to pull the plug!
Darn you Trolls! You will not stop achieve! Now everyone just buy more positions while we keep our new processor a “top secret”.
Just like Banners Broker said!
Generally a company with a reputation to keep will subscribe to the cockroach theory. 🙂 (That is, if you see on, you’ll find a lot more hidden somewhere)
if troy barnes has officially parted from achieve, will he allow achieve to be under the umbrella of ‘work with troy barnes inc’?
does this mean that achieve is now a completely unregistered business, and hence illegal, from this fact alone?
They won’t have to worry about the SEC or anyone else.
Chargebacks and the associated penalties will kill them in double quick time, just ask PLI about what its’ relationship with Zeek / RVG did.
Credit Card companies hold all the aces when it comes to its’ agents dealing with shady customers.
So are the members going to send documents to Global Cash Card like it states on the site?
The USA PATRIOT Act is a Federal law that requires all financial institutions to obtain, verify, and record information that identifies each person who opens an account. You will be asked to provide your name, address, date of birth, and other information that will allow us to identify you. You may also be asked to provide documentation as proof of identification.
I suspect Krist is going to do a runner too once she has enough funds from gullible idiots.
Wouldn’t surprise me.
Of course, just because Kristi says she’s come to an arrangement with GCC doesn’t mean that she actually has … could just be another stall tactic.
I mean, if Kristi had come up with a ponzi processor that many or most of her members might already use, those members anticipating a payment would expect to receive it pretty quickly.
In this arrangement, I assume that getting the member and payment information to GCC and their subsequent issuance of a card to the member will take at least a few more weeks.
Whether there is an actual relationship with GCC or not, it seems to me that the situation offers Kristi significant potential for further stall excuses … perhaps concluding with the “trolls ruined the GCC arrangement” type excuse you mentioned.
While of course the money keeps coming in through the other processor.
And of course members being required to provide accurate personal details, e.g., actual address, … which they’ll need to do to obtain the GCC card … could provide Kristi with other income generating opportunities, i.e., selling the member personal info to interested buyers.
Sad though that Troy, like so many ponzi operators before him, has run into the “family illness” situation that, among other things, is often a prelude to the collapse of their scheme.
I found Kristi’s comment that “Troy will always be a founder of Achieve” amusing.
Wonder if she’s just hinting that when the chickens come home to roost, she doesn’t plan on going down alone.
So first members who joined will get cards to withdraw funds? Does this imply later members will not be able to withdraw since surely funds will have been depleted?
my guess is.. troy already made a run for it, kristi didn’t make as much money as him so she still wants more and is willing to stay and take the risk.
she peddles out promises of cards so that people will stop thinking they’ll never see their money again, and continue to think they’ll make money out this…..
im guessing the whole card issuing will take weeks if not months to arrive, all the while new people join achieve and continue to purchase/repurchase.
promises of withdrawals via debit cards will keep the masses docile, while she makes a last buck, and joins troy on the Go…
just my 2c…
Given that GCC appears to be a legitimate US-based company, I’m in agreement with others here that no relationship with GCC exists. It’s just another ruse that will allow more suckers to buy positions before the collapse.
Pardon the redundancy, but below is what I posted under the original Achieve story.
^^^ yes, totally plausible.
You all will be surprised when we all make some money and you all miss out on it.
What is it with people like you all are you all so unhappy in life that you can’t wait it out and see.
It’s not your money, so why worry about it. So many unhappy people here. gosh
Call global cash card and let them know acheive is a illegal investment ponzi site before another 80 year old loses her life savings in this scam.
So, what does it all mean? Can someone please tell what’s going to happen? I need to know. Please answer this:
1) Yes or no, is nobody going to get paid?
2) Where did Troy go and why? (Please provide source.)
3) Is there a source of any of this being fake? If so, please provide it.
I honestly need the above info to present to several people.
Thank you,
Barnui
Not sure how that would help. GCC is for PAYOUT, not pay IN.
@Barnui
Call up Global Cash Card and see if you can get them to confirm Achieve Community is even a client. That’d be a start.
You’d have to ask Troy that.
You could ask Kristi Johnson if she’s lying to you. Don’t think they’ll fess up though.
@Debbie
Because fraudulent schemes like Achieve Community drag the MLM industry name down the toilet.
That you’d prefer to steal other people’s money without a spotlight shone on your activity is neither here nor there.
Payouts and according to Kristi, repurchases. It seems you will be able to enter your GCC card info into the back office and purchase positions presumably with funds loaded on the card from Achieve.
One item of note, looking at the Global Cash Card mobile device feature set it indicates you can transfer money to other payees which kinda sounds like you can transfer funds from one GCC account to another. If so it would open the door to the “member to member” transfer nightmare we’ve seen in too many of these schemes.
Who is worrying ???
One of the great things about dealing with ponzis and pyramids is, unless you predict how long they are going to last, it’s impossible to be wrong about them.
If you get to save a few people from losing their money along the way, it’s an added bonus.
Today, tomorrow – who knows ??
But, it WILL happen sooner, rather than later.
Math doesn’t lie
@debbie it is because of attitudes like yours that gives our industry a bad name, and allows innocent people to lose in ponzi schemes like acheive, run by crooked admin like Kristi Johnson and Troy Barnes to steal from the poor so you can get paid.
Of course not. We’re not clairvoyant.
We, however, know that Ponzi schemes will fold, sooner or later. Sooner is better since it involves less victims overall.
But there are signs pointing to impending end of a scam, and Achieve is showing many of them, like “bank shuffle”, “payment processor kicked them out”, unexplained delays, leaders / top shills leaving, clamping down on dissent, taking discussions private, secret refunds to members who complained, and so on and so forth.
Whether you believe them as signs of impending doom is up to you. But then, if you joined a scam just on some “trusted person’s” say-so, you’re unlikely to listen to strangers warning you of doom.
We’re not surprised at sheeple’s “positive thinking”. It’s proof that the sheeple’s been brainwashed into a money cult.
And you sound like you’re in elementary school, daring us about who laughs last. Too bad you’re on the wrong team.
All that positivity is clogging in your brain, that you no longer think for yourself. Those are someone else’s positive thoughts, not yours. Let’s hope you realize it it soon enough.
Some of you will make money, for sure.
As for “ALL” of you making money – NuhUh, not possible.
Therein lies the problem.
For “YOU” to make money, somebody coming behind you has to lose their money.
If they knew that was going to happen and were prepared to take the risk anyway, it would be fair enough.
But they don’t, do they ???
Many of them are good, trusting people.
They believe the B/S they have been fed.
They believe Achieve is a group of caring and sharing, good honest Christian folk whose only purpose is to make everyone rich, when, in reality, a great many Achiever members are lying, deceitful, treacherous ba****** whose only objective is to make as much money as they can in as short a period of time as is possible and screw morals, ethics and honesty and ESPECIALLY screw those coming behind them.
Few people will be surprised if *some* of you make money, especially the early folks delivered to Achieve by the “Legendary Income Solutions Team.”
The Achieve “program” is designed to let that occur. Bernard Madoff “paid” right up until the day he didn’t. Not “paying” would have exposed the fraud much earlier. “Paying” gave him time to sustain the deception.
BTW, “missing out” on Ponzi payments is a good thing. That’s because Ponzi money is subject to clawback lawsuits, as the Zeek Rewards’ “winners” have found out.
Did you know that one of Zeek’s credit-card processors says it now is insolvent owing to Zeek-related events?
What are we seeing now from Achieve promoters? Claims that Achieve couldn’t possibly be a fraud because “Global Cash Card” is on board , of course.
Prior to that, it was Achieve couldn’t be a fraud because Payoneer was on board.
Let me give you the name of a company that had all sorts of famous banks/vendors: Enron. You’ve heard of that one, right?
How silly would Enron “defenders” have looked had they claimed Enron couldn’t possibly be a scam because Chase and Merrill Lynch were on board?
Every single day in HYIP Ponzi Land a cheerleader claims Program A couldn’t be a fraud because Bank/Vendor A is on board. Over time, each and every “program” in which that claim was made ends up the the “scams” folder.
The AdSurfDaily Ponzi scheme apologists claimed ASD couldn’t be a fraud because Bank of America was on board. When the Feds moved against ASD after an undercover investigation, they immediately seized 15 Bank of America accounts.
So much for the theory that the presence of a major bank or well-known card vendor means no scam was occurring. In fact, the ASD case files show that at least one of ASD’s banks detected the fraud and kicked ASD out, thus causing it to have to line up another vendor.
How many vendors has Achieve had so far? Are you the least bit concerned that a company whose claimed principals operate in Michigan and Colorado appears to be using a merchant-account provider in Malaysia?
Files in the TelexFree case, meanwhile, allege that multiple vendors booted TelexFree, which moved from one company to another before imploding in a pile of Ponzi rubble in bankruptcy court.
These cases are meaningful to Achieve members, whether you believe that or not. Like Zeek and many others, Achieve is being promoted on forums listed in U.S. federal court files as places from which Ponzi schemes are promoted.
That is meaningful, whether you care to believe it or not.
A good number of the Zeekers, ASDers and TelexFree[ers] also speculated that only generalized unhappiness among critics could explain why those “programs” encountered criticism, even caustic criticism. Some of “program” cheerleaders even believed they were endowed with the special ability to define what constitutes happiness.
It is a virtual certainty they would have claimed Harry Markopolos was unhappy, unbalanced, unhinged or just plain jealous when he was busy trying to get the SEC to pay attention to a fellow by the name of Bernard Madoff.
“Programs” such as Achieve and the others encounter criticism because they are/were obvious frauds occurring post-Madoff while the world’s law-enforcement community is squaring off against an epidemic of white-collar fraud on the Internet.
Here’s a question for you and fellow Achievers: Why doesn’t Achieve’s bank or payment vendors just buy out Achieve, taking all the “positions” business for themselves? Surely a “program” that turns $50 into $400 in 60 days or so with no one having to sell anything would be worth billions to bankers.
I mean, wouldn’t it make sense for the banks/vendors to use their economies of scale and vertical integration to wrap Achieve into the fold, thus keeping not only all the transaction fees, but also the enormous profits that appear on Achieve’s balance sheet. Those profits exist, right?
Why don’t they just buy out all of the “programs” listed with Achieve in the “HYIPs, Autosurfs, & Other High-Risk Opportunities » Money Cyclers & Matrix Programs” thread at the MoneyMakerGroup Ponzi forum?
I mean, hell, they could start with Cycles 24/7, which was advertised right inside Achieve’s own forum.
After all of these strategic buyouts, the banks/vendors — now feeding on both internal “program” profits while also benefiting from fees — could hang out a shingle.
Perhaps the shingle could read: “Give us $50 for a ‘position’ today. We’ll put in in our revolutionary cycler with the unique triple algorithm and hand you back $400 in 60 days! Purchase 20 ‘positions’ for $1,000 and we’ll give you $8,000! Make sure you check out our other money-cyclers! Read all the testimonials about us on the MoneyMakerGroup Ponzi forum.”
Would you think something might be a bit fishy if a bank/financial vendor were doing what Achieve is doing — especially if the bank across the street WASN’T doing it?
Ever hear of Allen Stanford, the Ponzi schemer? He was advertising CD rates no bank across the street would touch, let alone match. $7 billion later, he’s doing a 110-year tour of the federal prison system.
Maybe the Achieve bankers/vendors also could buy out Plastic Cash International, the company that says it’s insolvent over its involvement with Zeek. No sense letting it writhe in misery if all that’s needed to restore it to good health is a good cycler.
Perhaps you’ll find this interesting: Plastic Cash implies Zeek was shopping for a vendor through which MasterCard-branded Zeek debit cards could be purveyed.
One gets the idea that perhaps Zeek wanted to make the public believe that MasterCard itself had endorsed Zeek.
Court filings strongly suggest ASD was trying to do the same thing — and now Achieve purportedly has ended up with Global Cash Card.
I’m thinking that Achieve could be reading from the ASD and Zeek playbook. And I’m also thinking there was a reason the FBI director said this in Congressional testimony in 2010:
Did you know the debit card ASD members were touting was the same one allegedly used by a narcotics cartel in Medellin, Colombia, to offload “profits” at ATMs and that the card distributor was indicted in a U.S. money-laundering case in Connecticut — and that he’s listed by INTERPOL?
On a concluding note, during the same Congressional testimony in 2010, the FBI warned about cyber intrusions — and now we have the Sony case.
You may not want to believe this, Debbie.
Achieve is in a stinking, corrupt, noxious “business” segment that is more dangerous than anything you can imagine.
PPBlog
I’m just glad I was able to get my money back. In fact Troy Barnes refunded my money just before they announced the new processor.
I found that there was far to much secrecy involved with Achieve. You couldn’t get a straight answer for anything.
I don’t think that has changed, Kristi has indicated in an update she doesn’t have time to answer any more questions.
I know Troy was taking the high road just because of his absence.
Fantastic, comprehensive post. I suspect it will fall on deaf ears, however. I can’t imagine the average Achiever has heard of Allen Stanford, or the Sony case for that matter.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a good percentage of Achievers have even heard of Madoff or Enron. I get the feeling they spend most of their time bouncing between celebrity gossip blogs and the underbelly of the Internet, where utopian garbage Ponzi dreams are sold.
Here’s another glimpse into the perplexing mind of an Achiever. This was posted in the FP group last night.
As someone who has spend the majority of my adult life living and working in Silicon Valley, this statement is completely lost on me.
I realize it’s just another childishly giddy cheerleader post from someone who mistakenly believes they will soon be incredibly rich. But Silicon Valley Queen? Really?
How did this woman arrive at that? It’s mind boggling.
Not when you consider Achieve Community as a CULT, DT7. They preach “worship the leader, put in money, and everybody will be rich”
One of the major red flags that stood out to me was Kristi saying that Achieve will send all the members data to GCC, and members are not to contact GCC.
You can try to call the company, but all the voice mail boxes are full, and you can’t leave a message. This leads me to believe that the members are calling them in droves, and this alone might turn the tables on Achieve.
For if GCC does not have a working relationship with Achieve, GCC will be contacting Achieve/Kristi demanding they stop saying so in her updates. Of if they truly are a client, it will alert them that not all is at is appears, and could end the relationship real fast.
Another major issue is how Achieve is setup with GCC. The Achieve Community does not exist legally. It exists in name only. Everything done through Payoneer was through Work With Troy Barnes. All payments were made by Work With Troy Barnes.
Work With Troy Barnes, Inc. is only registered as a business corporation in Delaware. Work With Troy Barnes, LLC is only registered as a Limited Liability Corporation in the state of Michigan. The entire operation is illegal as they are not registered to do business anywhere where they have members.
Now what is interesting to me is that GCC is not more than 20 minutes from my house. I may have to drop by and pay a visit if my Email inquiry is not answered, or I can’t reach them by phone.
When the members wake up that the big $700,000 payout Kristi promised is not going to happen before Christmas, there are going to be a lot of very mad/upset members.
Of course Kristi has the excuse it is not her fault and out of her control because GCC could not process the cards quick enough.
But there are other little things that are telling the members are not paying attention to but should. In the past, whenever Kristi gave an update, the members rushed to be the first to post it at MMG. Her last 3 or 4 updates have not been posted at MMG.
A couple of the big promoters at MMG stopped posting quite some time ago, which is the sure sign this is about to collapse. They don’t want to be around when it does so they can profess “shock” it was a Ponzi. For if they don’t it hurts recruiting for their next Ponzi de Jour.
Actually they have probably already joined it. They can’t promote it until the dust settles on Achieve.
Then we had Kristi say that due to the death of a close family fried, she would not be able to get the banner links operational until next week. She was going to be at the funeral and there for the family.
So when did Kristi become the person in charge of IT doing all the coding and linking? I thought Achieve had programmers to do this. So now we can add IT techie to her math genius skills since she claims she developed the 3-tier matrix algorithm program.
There have been reports that Achieve has been reported to the SEC and someone filed a whistleblower claim. So now it remains to be seen if Kristi can hang on past Christmas before running, or the FEDS shut her down first. But the end is lot closer than most people think.
My main question was where is all the money that was in the system before shutdown? NEVER got an answer.
She probably meant well, but it backfired. It’s the Streisand effect.
TVI Express once claimed they hired Grimes&Reese MLM lawyers, then immediately said “don’t call them for verification”. This is DAYS before state of Georgia served them a ‘cease and desist’ in 2010.
I think Zeek also pulled something similar in its final months, but with banks and whatnot.
When they give you info, and ask you NOT to verify them, they are asking for your FAITH (i.e. believe them without any reason to).
VERY bad sign in a “business”… or a scam.
Either Troy got them or Payoneer is holding onto them in case of more chargebacks. (or both)
But the fact that they opened for INTAKE first rather than payout is very telling in itself.
I already have contacted the ceo of globalcashcard warning him about doing business with acheive the ponzi and alerted him to ALL the links on reports like this wonderful blog source that covers online ponzis.
^^ CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULT!
Again with the mistruths. You have people posting Kristi’s updates here…Can anyone show me where she says not to contact GCC?
Oh, I totally understand the cult thing, and the unconditional adoration for the demigod Kristi Johnson. I just don’t understand why she declared Kristi the “Silicon Valley” queen.
Kristi is based in Colorado, the cheerleader lives in Texas, both 1000+ miles from Silicon Valley. Additionally, TAC has never associated itself with Silicon Valley in any way.
So the Silicon Valley reference is completely arbitrary. It makes as little sense as calling Kristi the queen of District 1, Ho Chi Mihn City, Vietnam. Or the queen of the Andromeda Galaxy, for that matter.
Maybe Johnson took some Achieve money and bought herself an early Christmas present?
They’d sort of look like valleys if she’s lying down…
*ahem ahem cough cough barf* That’s enough of that…
That’s the way to do it, Kristi.
How to make sure people don’t contact GCC without coming right out and telling them not to.
Apparently Kristi hopes GCC and regulators are too stupid to use Google.
littleroundman: Post the WHOLE update for context. Sway people with truthful arguments, not insinuations. The updates actually tell people to go to the GCC website.
What ever the outcome for Achieve, yours and other juvenile sexist comments don’t add to but rather distract from the credibility of this blog.
It was implied in that she wrote:
Basically, the members are supposed to sit tight, do NOTHING until the cards show up (if ever) in their mailbox, and keep cheering each other on via echo chamber effect.
Since it’s Christmas holidays, it will be WEEKS before the members start noticing that there is no card, except for a few insiders who will post they got theirs, and tell everybody ELSE to be patient, then a few diehards plead “just have faith, I’m sure it’ll come soon”.
One can’t help to recall how the two local banks in North Carolina were inundated with calls about ZeekRewards, why haven’t their checks been cashed, why haven’t it shown up in their Zeek account for “bid purchases”, and so on.
Wasn’t there a testimony about how Zeek calls comprised of majority of customer calls at a particular bank?
Big deal, Global Cash Card worked with ponzis / pyramids / MLM in past. Same as payoneer.
Why would they refuse this one ? They might refuse as soon as they realize too much heat on it.
But it never stopped them to work with past scams.
Why didn’t YOU post the whole update then? You’re dealing out “insinuations” too, you know, accusing people of ulterior motive.
Normal processors would never deal with any investment / pyramid / MLM schemes. Few processors (including GCC) take the risks and tap into shady stuff, the “market” where millions are circulating.
GCC proudly shows on its site as affiliated with DSA. Multiple pyramids use it, #1 is TalkFusion.
Again, as I said, argue with the facts. I read the updates as did you K Chang. I was responding to the statements
and
The fact is Kristi never told these people NOT to contact GCC. The insinuations formented by the statements taken out of context are quite clear!
They are not insinuations. They are pointing out the “weasel words” used by HYIP ponzi pimps and promoters since Charles Ponzi himself walked the planet.
If this is your first ponzi experience, I pity you, Carol-lyn.
The crew behind Achieve aren’t even clever or innovative and STILL you’re falling for what others would consider lies so blatant and simplistic they are comical.
I sincerely hope you and yours enjoy a very Merry Christmas, but it sure as h*** won’t be done with money you’ve received from Achieve.
🙂 Many Blessings to you and yours. Merry Christmas.
The problem is the words are subject to interpretation. You have no more proof that their interpretation is incorrect, just as they have no proof that their interpretation is correct.
However, I will point out, that this is NOT their first experience with alleged Ponzi schemes. They *have* seen similar “weasel words” used by Ponzi scheme scammers. One of the most infamous documented weasel argument was uttered by Paul Burks of Zeek Rewards, “I never told them (the victims) to put in more than they can afford to lose. Don’t blame me.”
This sort of weaselness lead people to put up signs “Please reorganize and save our dreams” on Zeek office window AFTER Secret Service raided Zeek office and closed it back in 2012. Up to a million people put in 900 Million dollars into Zeek.
It *is* possible that Kristi had no ulterior meaning behind her words, but given the nature of AC, that is rather unlikely.
Statements issued usually are designed CAREFULLY to provide maximum hope yet provide minimum information (i.e. as vague as possible). It is designed so people should read between the lines.
Those with positivity and faith will interpret the words to mean all is going great. Those who are more skeptical however, will derive a different message.
For the lady who wanted proof of Kristi’s statement about not answering any more questions. This update was from Monday Dec.16
There you go, black and white. Get your money back fast, believe me it will will be gone soon.
Guys! you’re all over the place. I’m dealing with TWO statements made on this blog by
1. Lynndel “Lynn” Edgington: Kristi saying that Achieve will send all the members data to GCC, and members are not to contact GCC.
and
2. Littleroundman:”That’s the way to do it, Kristi. How to make sure people don’t contact GCC without coming right out and telling them not to.
There is NOTHING you can say or show to refute the fact that Kristi never told these people NOT to contact GCC, just admit it!
Now we can have further discussions about other things, weasel words, ponzis whatever, but on this point, you don’t have a leg to stand on! 🙂
OAN K Chang, does the last part of Lynn’s sentence require interpretation? 🙂
Lynndel “Lynn” Edgington: Kristi saying that Achieve will send all the members data to GCC, and members are not to contact GCC.
Post #43 in the other thread:
It CAN be interpreted to be that she’s telling people NOT to contact GCC directly. People will need to wait for that specific card, even if they already have a GCC card.
And here’s a disabled link:
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The sad, but true fact is, Achieve is nothing but a low level, run of the mill HYIP ponzi.
There’s nothing special or unusual about it or the “system” behind it.
It’s just one of several hundred clones which spring up following the demise of this years’ “next-big-thing” ponzi fraud.
This year is slightly different in that there were two “next-big-thing” collapses in Zeek Rewards and TelexFree.
The fact that Debbie and Carol-lyn either don’t know it or refuse to admit it is neither here nor there.
Unfortunately for them, they won’t be here long enough to discuss it.
Guys, I Love a good argument. The fact that you are unwilling or incapable of acknowledging that the second part of this statement was/is incorrect
“Lynndel “Lynn” Edgington: Kristi saying that Achieve will send all the members data to GCC, and members are not to contact GCC.”
conveys to me that further discussion is futile. So I wish all of you the best, Merry Christmas and adieu.
Peace.
And M_Noway the if you have access to all Kristie’s updates, please make sure you read the one on Thursday December 18th that starts out
“Thursday Night Update
Hello Achieve Community!
To repeat a bit from the earlier update – everyone please check that the Personal Information in your back office is correct!
For our members:
If you have questions about Global Cash Card please go to their website, the information is all there.”
I have truncated the message but please note the sentence above.
Cheers! 🙂
And M_Noway, if you have access to all Kristie’s updates, please make sure you read the one on Thursday December 18th that starts out
“Thursday Night Update
Hello Achieve Community!
To repeat a bit from the earlier update – everyone please check that the Personal Information in your back office is correct!
For our members:
If you have questions about Global Cash Card please go to their website, the information is all there.”
I have truncated the message but please note the sentence above.
Cheers! 🙂
I haven’t been active on the topic “Achieve Community” earlier, so I simply gave you the information you had been asking for.
“If you have questions … please check their website”, “You will NOT have to sign up with them through our system or their website”. “Please understand, there is no point in going and signing up with them yourself”.
I believe I got your message there. People are being encouraged to check GCC’s website if they have any questions. She has probably found a FAQ or a video there she thought was useful? 🙂
This is not the same thing as “you can/should contact them”. Its more like “when you get their card you will see how to use it on their website”.
You got attached to one unclear point and blinded yourself to big picture. You think, because you are on “inside”, you know better than people who busted dozens if not hundreds of similar schemes? Its like people who make frys at McDonalds decide that know financial situation of the company better than outside financial analysts. And please do not be insulted. It is just an analogy.
Personally I doubt anybody will get their money before implosion. They are already covering their tracks/distancing from this scam.
Juat a guess, but I’d say this is probably only the first or second experience with HYIP ponzis for both Carol-lyn and Debbie.
Give them the benefit of some experience and they’ll begin to realize the key to identifying ‘net fraud comes in clues, not a flashing red neon sign saying “Beware, fraud”
Organizers trying to keep anxious members away from contacting payment processors is one of those “clues”
This is doubly important at the minute following the news Plastic Cash International has been virtually bankrupted through its’ involvement with Zeek Rewards and the ongoing penalties it is facing due to the number of chargebacks by victims of the Zeek fraud.
No payments for four months is a bloody big clue.
Constant excuses – ditto
Death / sickness in the family is right up there in the list of most commonly used excuses. Long time observers often call it the “Dengue Fever” ploy, referring to the excuse used by “Dave” who was at the time admin of the JSS Tripler 2 aka T2MoneyKlub who claimed the reason for non payment to its’ members was that he had contracted Dengue Fever.
Endless updates saying nothing of substance is a clue.
The admin always being able to find ways for members to be able to pay “in” but never being quite able to find a way to pay “out” a major clue.
But, Carol-lyn and Debbie know better and would prefer to believe they aren’t being warned, rather posters are simply being mean and nasty dreamstealers
It’s not the first time this sort of thing has happened and it most certainly won’t be the last.
Not sure why anyone, other than the author of the comment you quote, bothered getting into semantic nit-picking with you in the first place.
The post by Oz quoted Kristi’s statement that “You will NOT have to sign up with them through our system or their website. Achieve will send your information to them and then your debit cards will be sent to you.”
A commentator then wrote:
The quote in Oz’s post that “You will NOT have to sign up with them through our system or their website” obviously differs from the commentator’s statement re: “members are not to contact GCC”.
But, so what?
Whether the commentator was entirely correct or not in the insignificant detail you chose to focus on doesn’t change the fact that Achieve is a ponzi scheme that will likely collapse within a couple of months.
Rather than quibbling over insignificant details in blog comment, Achievers like yourself might better spend their time asking themselves why the scheme requires two separate processors, one for payments in and one for payments out, and why Kristi’s apparent priority was the “payment in”, rather than “payment out”, processor … particularly given the efforts by an Achieve shill, on another of Oz’s Achieve related posts, to push the inane notion that the Achieve “algorithm” didn’t require an ongoing stream of new money to work.
It seems to me that the priority of most Achiever’s would be a “payment out” (to them) processor, so why wasn’t this Kristi’s priority?
Please tell us exactly what there is in the Achieve saga to date that would give any sane person with a modicum of business knowledge the belief that Achieve is a legitimate business enterprise that has any hope of survival and meeting most member’s “goals”, rather than being a blatantly obvious ponzi scheme run by stereotypical low-life “make money online” con artists.
QUESTION what is the material difference between a business saying:
“don’t sign up with the payment processor, we’ll do it for you and if you have any questions just look at the website”
and
“Please don’t contact the payment processor in case they realize what we do”
It’s all in the clues.
Nothing is new here.
It’s all been done before.
There is no “Argument”
The only unknown here is whether you and Carol-lyn will be back here after the inevitable happens, Achieve collapses completely and members discover the reality of what happenes when they give out their private and banking information to a bunch of strangers through a non-secure website and it ends up in the hands of goodness knows who and goodness knows where.
What happens is, they lose their money AND their identity.
What a shame they came across as a wonderful community of genuine people.
@Norm
I don’t think there’s anything wonderful about a community of Ponzi scammers.
I told people this would happen. Bye Bye a lot of peoples money.
I’m happy I only do proven businesses. Happy Holidays.. Many people think cash gifting is bad, at least it’s honest. Jack
I unfortunately know Troy Barnes personally and when he started all of this he said it was a ponzi.
Troy always wanted to make money without working at a real job he has Two ex wife’s and 5 kids in which only 1 of them live with him. When he started Achieve he had nothing he did in fact !
Live with his parents now he has a house a car and whatever else he wants he found Kristi on another ponzi scheme and they both decided to scam people.
I don’t know him leaving Achieve but he is 100 percent still in it and Oz is correct he is not purchasing positions he is they are making money off of who ever buys positions.
Everybody will not get paid if people think about it if you put 50.00 in and get 400.00 out who’s pocket is the other 350.00 coming out of? And his family is just fine.
I don’t believe Troy or Kristi did purchase any position, as I am sure being the owners they just got all They wanted free when Achieve started.
I know one time he should a screen shot of his back office and it was full of positions. If he was broke when he started Achieve how did he purchase all of them, makes sense to me that’s exactly what he and Kristi did.
Can’t say for sure, but think about it.
Brian it totally makes sense, why do you think it took 2 months to start paying out two members because troy and Christy had tons of positions that needed to be paid off first, so by the time their friends started buying positions then those needed to get more people to pay off those.
Troy and Kristi made a boat load of money and got it out of payoneer before they froze their account and dumped achieve.
Troy bought a house and Kristi bought a car and lots of shopping sprees, No wonder she don’t have time SHES AT STORES SPENDING YOUR PONZI MONEY. That’s your trusted admin as theives.
If you think of joining acheive be ready to lose your money to scammers Troy and Kristi.
I do know of a lady who invested in Zeek, lost money, yet does NOT think she was scammed, because she’s a clerk in some law office and “i know what is a security” and “SEC must be mistaken.”
SEC = Security and Exchange Commission in case that wasn’t obvious.
Now there’s no need to compare resumes. Just consider whose explanation makes more sense given ALL of the available info. That, I leave up to you.
Basically stuffed positions for themselves on top, eh? (without putting in money). Probably gave some “discounted positions” to the early judas goats too.
so… when is Troy and Kristi going to jail
Maybe in 3/4 years. Many of these scams go unprosecuted or put on backburner because Feds take care of big scams first.
I am not sure if 20K victims of whom maybe 20-30% will report it, will be big enough case for them. Sometimes it is just a matter of luck for the scammers.
Talk about misspeak and distract from your so-called indignation of our comments. You want to claim that by Kristi telling Achieve members to go to GCC website is the same thing as telling them to contact GCC. Seriously?
Glad to see you can speak out of both sides of your mouth just like Kristi does, but then she is your hero so not surprised.
Well the difference between being scammed in a ponzi or a cash gifting pyramid scheme is like someone giving you the choice of what hand they slap you with.
You’re still ripping people off, the victims just have a slightly different experience.
on Troy Barnes’ Facebook profile post, he said he made $400 on a cycle. That’s not including all the money that him and Kristi will have for running away soon.
Merry Christmas to all achievers.
has anyone got a Christmas payout, except for uh, kristi?
They are semi-officially over. In her video promoting another scam, Kristen (one of Achieve promoters) said that Achieve is probably over and founder “had to leave” because of few greedy people.
Kristen is still promoting Achieve at the end of the video.
Kristen, you are so full of shit it’s coming out of your ears, I was in also in Achieve and was lucky enough to get a refund.
People were not getting greedy except for Troy and Kristi, We just wanted answers to VERY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS, that were not getting answered, We were told so many times they had a new processor, and would be set up shortly.
We were put off time and time again. So get real, if you have money in achieve you have lost it. BE HONEST if you can.
Troy didnt go anywhere he can be found here: facebook.com/troybarnes49
Some choice quotes from the Barnes’ Facebook profile:
There’s also several screenshots of Barnes’ backoffice showing thousands of dollars in earnt commissions (December 12th and 13th and 19th November).
Last withdrawal appears to be 5th of November.
LOL,he got engaged to that Carolyn cheerleader from England, somehow I doubt Try has ever been out of the US let alone met the woman in person. What an idiotic bunch.
I find it interesting there is not one peep out of her about any of it. You would think she’s at least thank the well wisher cult on his page.
from Troy’s fb (post 7 hrs ago)
Do they not have mathematics in Barnes’ neck of the woods?
If new suckers don’t invest they have nothing to pay out with.
Interesting how he’s throwing her under the bus and taking no credit at all now.
Also interesting the alleged ‘fiance’ is non existent. Still can’t even thank the well wishers. Does she even know?
About 2 years ago, Troy was about to marry someone. I think it didn’t happen. They both were involved in a scam, and Troy had approached me about it at the time, saying he had privileged info from the owner.
After some time, I deleted my connection to him, because he sounded like a potential scammer.
Now he’s about to marry another woman? He’s a sweet talker, I guess.
I’m disgusted to know I had a connection with such a scumbag.
They’re not even in the same country.
So I hear GCC does not want to work with Achieve
since there was never any proof they were even on board to begin with………
Sounds so much like the Costas / TelexFree / “we got insurance for your income” thing, doesn’t it?
This was posted on facebook, by a friend who is involve with Achieve,