Cloud Horizon Review: SiteTalk and Orientum scams combined
Cloud Horizon operates in the MLM cryptocurrency niche and claims it is incorporated in the Cayman Islands.
On the management side of things Cloud Horizon discloses it is ‘wholly owned (by) Mr. Frank Ricketts who is the actual CEO of the company‘.
Rickett’s MLM claim to fame is Unaico and SiteTalk, a combination of investment and pyramid fraud. When those scams collapsed, Ricketts rebooted the business as The Opportunity Network.
In early 2016 Ricketts sold off The Opportunity Network’s list of investors to OneCoin.
In addition to an undisclosed sum of money, Ricketts was also gifted a OneCoin Black Diamond investment position.
Behind the scenes Ricketts is believed to have been instrumental in setting up OneCoin’s shell company money laundering network.
When OneCoin collapsed in 2017 Ricketts disappeared. He resurfaced in mid 2018 as CEO of the AuLives Ponzi scheme.
AuLives flopped, prompting Ricketts to register the Cloud Horizon website domain on November 30th, 2018.
Despite only existing as an MLM opportunity as of a few months ago, on its website Cloud Horizon claims it ‘was incorporated in June 2013 in the Cayman Islands‘.
As previously stated, Ricketts was instrumental in setting up OneCoin’s money laundering network. This involved dozens upon dozens of shell companies.
While it feasible that Cloud Horizon is just one of the many companies Ricketts set up to launder money through, it was launched as a standalone MLM opportunity on or around late January, 2019.
Naturally beyond possible being incorporated in the Cayman Islands, Cloud Horizon has no actual physical operations there.
Since OneCoin collapsed Ricketts is believed to primarily hide out in south-east Asia and Dubai.
At the time of publication Ricketts is busy promoting Cloud Horizon in Vietnam.
As above, Ricketts is working with former OneCoin scammers Nattchaphan Sornsirenan and Staffan Liback.
Nattchaphan Sornsirenan launched her own OneCoin Ponzi clone late last year.
Orientum, like AuLives and pretty much every other OneCoin clone, went nowhere and flopped.
The Orientum website currently has an Alexa ranking of 2.7 million, up recently from 3.9 million (the higher the number the less visitors a site has)
Either figure is as good as dead for an MLM Ponzi scheme.
Staffan Liback’s MLM history is mostly unremarkable. But if you want you read about his recent exploits we did feature Liback in our OneCoin Ponzi Wall of Shame.
Alternatively, read on for our review of the Cloud Horizon MLM opportunity.
Cloud Horizon Products
Cloud Horizon has no retailable products or services, with affiliates only able to market Cloud Horizon affiliate membership itself.
The Cloud Horizon Compensation Plan
Cloud Horizon affiliates invest in tokens, which are in turn converted into Orientum+ (ORTP) tokens.
Affiliate investors can exchange ORTP tokens for subsequently invested funds, at whatever internal exchange rate Cloud Horizon sets.
In total Cloud Horizon offers five investment tiers:
- Starter Package – invest €165 EUR and receive 8500 tokens
- Bronze Package – invest €500 EUR and receive 26,250 tokens
- Silver Package – invest €1000 EUR and receive 55,000 tokens
- Gold Package – invest €2500 EUR and receive 143,750 tokens
- Platinum Package – invest €5000 EUR and receive 332,500 tokens
Note that these are tokens that are to be converted into ORTP, through the internal EltronX exchange.
MLM commissions are paid when existing Cloud Horizon affiliates recruit new affiliate investors.
Cloud Horizon Affiliate Ranks
There are eight affiliate ranks within the Cloud Horizon compensation plan.
Along with their respective qualification criteria, they are as follows:
- Affiliate – sign up and invest in a Cloud Horizon package
- 1 Star – recruit at least two investing Cloud Horizon affiliates and generate at least €10,000 EUR in accumulated downline investment\ volume
- 2 Star – recruit and maintain at least two 1 Star affiliates and generate at least €50,000 EUR in accumulated downline investment volume
- 3 Star – recruit and maintain at least three 2 Star affiliates and generate at least €250,000 EUR in accumulated downline investment volume
- 4 Star – recruit and maintain at least three 3 Star affiliates and generate at least €1,000,000 EUR in accumulated downline investment volume
- 5 Star – recruit and maintain at least three 4 Star affiliates and generate at least €2,000,000 EUR in accumulated downline investment volume
- 6 Star – recruit and maintain at least three 5 Star affiliates and generate at least €10,000,000 EUR in accumulated downline investment volume
- 7 Star – recruit and maintain at least three 6 Star affiliates and generate at least €50,000,000 in downline investment volume
Note that only 50% of required investment volume can be sourced from any one recruitment leg.
Cloud Horizon pays residual commissions down three levels of recruitment (unilevel).
Note that residual commission qualification must be met every 28 days.
- generate €0 to €2499 EUR in PGV and get paid residual commissions on level 1 (personally recruited affiliates)
- generate €2500 to €4999 EUR in PGV and get paid residual commissions on levels 1 and 2
- generate €5000 EUR or more in PGV and get paid residual commissions across all three available levels
Specific residual commission rates paid out on the three unilevel team levels are as follows:
- level 1 – 12% of generated investment volume in cash and 12% in ORTP tokens
- levels 2 and 3 – 8% of generated investment volume in cash and 8% in ORTP
Note that of the cash balance, 30% must be reinvested into ORT Coin.
ORT Coin is a pointless altcoin attached to Orientum. Like ORTP its internal value is set by Cloud Horizon and/or Orientum.
Cloud Horizon pays a Matching Bonus using the same unilevel team structure residual commissions are paid with.
Whereas residual commissions are capped at three levels however, the Matching Bonus is paid down ten unilevel team levels.
How many unilevel team levels a Cloud Horizon affiliate is paid the Matching Bonus on is determined by rank:
- 1 Star affiliates receive a 10% match on levels 1 and 2
- 2 Star affiliates receive a 10% match on levels 1 to 4
- 3 Star affiliates receive a 10% match on levels 1 to 4 and 6% on levels 5 and 6
- 4 Star affiliates receive a 10% match on levels 1 to 4 and 6% on levels 5 to 7
- 5 Star affiliates receive a 10% match on levels 1 to 4, 6% on levels 5 to 7 and 4% on level 8
- 6 Star affiliates receive a 10% match on levels 1 to 4, 6% on levels 5 to 7 and 4% on levels 8 and 9
- 7 Star affiliates receive a 10% match on levels 1 to 4, 6% on levels 5 to 7 and 4% on levels 8 to 10
Note that 50% of the Matching Bonus is paid out in cash and the rest in ORTP tokens.
E.g. the level 1 Matching Bonus is 10%. 5% is paid out in cash and 5% in ORTP tokens.
Rank Achievement Bonus
Cloud Horizon rewards affiliates who qualify at the 2 Star rank and higher ranks with the following Rank Achievement Bonuses:
- qualify as a 2 Star and receive 500 ORTP tokens
- qualify as a 3 Star and receive a “special all-inclusive team building trip” (4 days, 3 nights and valued at €1500 EUR)
- qualify as a 4 Star and receive an “Apple Workset” valued at €5000 EUR
- qualify as a 5 Star and receive a “luxury watch” valued at €20,000 EUR
- qualify as a 6 Star and receive a “luxury watch or a car” valued at €100,000 EUR
- qualify as a 7 Star and receive a “luxury 3 bedroom marina villa on the tropical island of Koh Chang, Thailand” valued at €900,000 EUR
Joining Cloud Horizon
Cloud Horizon affiliate membership is tied to a €165 to €5000 EUR investment.
- Starter Package – €165 EUR
- Bronze Package – €500 EUR
- Silver Package – €1000 EUR
- Gold Package – €2500 EUR
- Platinum Package – €5000 EUR
The more a Cloud Horizon affiliate invests the more ORTP tokens they receive.
Cloud Horizon is a desperate bid to inject some life into the otherwise collapsed Orientum Ponzi scheme.
In true Frank Ricketts style, the marriage brings with it a boatload of confusion and unanswerable questions.
First off while Cloud Horizon is presented as a standalone company, clearly there’s a tie in with Orientum.
No where is this better underscored than in a Cloud Horizion marketing presentation, in which Ricketts reveals his company has more Orientum tokens than Orientum itself.
Orientum originally flogged its tokens through a company going by Bergman and Gold.
Bergman and Gold was a shady shell company that existed solely to create the illusion of layering within Orientum.
Tellingly, the website the company used doesn’t exist anymore.
This was around the third quarter of 2018. To what extent Ricketts was hitched to Orientum at that stage I can’t say, but I’d be willing to bet he had a hand in Bergman and Gold.
Maybe Ricketts was in from the beginning as a silent partner (reprising his OneCoin money man role, or maybe not. Who knows.
What we do know is Ricketts has resurrected his SiteTalk assets, and attached them to Cloud Horizon.
SiteTalk as an MLM company was rebooted as The Opportunity Network in 2013.
SiteTalk, a pyramid scheme in its own right, was already on the ropes in 2013.
The OPN reboot stretched the scam out till 2016, at which point Ricketts gave up and sold the affiliate database to OneCoin.
While there are undoubtedly elements of SiteTalk and OPN’s social marketing assets in OneCoin projects like DealShaker, it seems Ricketts retained ownership.
If you visit the SiteTalk website domain today, you’ll find it redirected to something called Crypto Community World.
In essence, Crypto Community World is SiteTalk with an updated website theme. A new coat of paint if you will.
The marketing pitch is that Crypto Community World will bring useability to ORTP tokens.
Not only is that smoke and mirrors, it’s also unfeasible.
The only component of SiteTalk and OPN that was every successful was the pyramid recruitment. All the marketing nonsense attached to that never took off.
Attaching ORTP to the same failed offerings isn’t going to make them any more viable. Even if you force Cloud Horizon affiliates to use them.
Outside of the affiliate network there’s still zero interest.
On top of Crypto Community World you also have Orientum’s original pitch – something something our bullshit token (insert a whole lotta explaining here) hay guys we can turn plastic into fuel.
To be precise, Cloud Horizon’s marketing material claims 20 tons of plastic waste can be converted into 15,000 liters of fuel.
This is supposedly through Sepco Industries, a company nobody has ever heard of because it didn’t exist until around the time Orientum was launched in mid 2018.
Orientum’s Sepco Industries is nothing more than a shell company, that borrowed the name of an existing company bearing the same name.
Another Frank Ricketts shell company? Who knows.
What we do know is it’s been almost a year and there’s been not an independent peep about Sepco’s magic plastic recycling machines.
I imagine over time Cloud Horizon affiliates will hear less about Sepco in favor of Crypto Community World.
From a legal standpoint, Cloud Horizon has the same regulatory issues as Orientum.
First and foremost it’s a Ponzi scheme.
Cloud Horizon affiliates sign up and invest in ORTP tokens. These tokens have no value outside of Cloud Horizon.
Inside the scheme they have whatever value Frank Ricketts decides to assign them.
The idea being that affiliates invest, wait for the token price to arbitrarily rise and then cash out.
ORTP cashing out is supposed to take place through EltronX, an internal exchange that surfaced around the time Orientum launched.
As I write this the EltronX website domain isn’t attached to hosting, so maybe it’s already been abandoned.
I’m sure Ricketts will be along with another exchange shell company nobody’s ever heard of soon enough.
To give you an idea of just how far down the garden path Orientum already was before Cloud Horizon was thought up, here’s Ricketts pitching Orientum tokens in September 2018.
Strategic partnership with prominent property developer Siam Royal View that is in possession of a land bank with over a million square meters of premium island property on the pristine resort island of Koh Chang, Thailand, brings genuine value backing to Orientum.
Sales are offered exclusively through the Bergman & Gold Brokerage Agency, and Orientum is available by private sale for a limited time only, until 15th of September.
Orientum will be listed on public exchanges the 1st of October, 2018.
Neither of those deadlines were kept.
As it stands the only verifiable source of revenue entering Cloud Horizon is new investment.
Using new investment to pay existing investors a return on their ORTP makes Cloud Horizon a Ponzi scheme.
And, taken from an official marketing video, here’s Rickett’s personally describing Cloud Horizon’s pyramid layer;
You can be earning the biggest check every week without every having to purchase a product of any kind.
Not only do you not have to purchase anything (other than your initial investment in tokens), nor do you have to sell anything either.
Pointless MLM shitcoin tokens are as good as any vehicle for tracking Ponzi investment and payable returns.
Like any Ponzi scheme though, Cloud Horizon can only pay out for as long as there’s new investors dumping new money into the scheme.
This is true irrespective of whether new investors are buying tokens off existing investors or through the company itself (which then uses some of that money to satisfy withdrawal requests).
Also true of Ponzi schemes is that the majority of investors ultimately lose money.
Orientum investors have likely already had to come to terms with this reality. Cloud Horizon is more of the same and won’t play out any different.
Frank Ricketts will probably make a packet though. He always does.
Update 2nd March 2021 – In 2021 Cloud Horizon is going by Corsair Group.
BehindMLM published its Corsair Group review on March 2nd, 2021.
Tnx Oz for another top job! how many spin off ponzis came from Onecoin? 5? 6? or more already?
And yeah Ricketts made a ton of money on scamming through his many years in the MLM world and this makes me wonder what is his motivation? how much is enough? or is he addicted somehow like other scammers?
Anyway keep away from this man and his another scam !
I can’t speak to Ricketts’ motivation. Save to say he’s either burning through a ton of cash or might have health problems (he’s appeared quite frail of late).
A great visionary. An excellent artist. A seller of illusions.
That’s what made a lot of victims at SiteTalk.
He sold OPN to Onecoin without asking investors. He deserves to be arrested.
big scamer_Enigro_Unaico_OPN_Onecoin_AuLives ….
Keep up the good work revealing the truth and spreading the word! Ricketts is a fat nasty cockroach who will get his punishment sooner or later anyway.
This cloud horizon and fake sepco turning waste into fuel is big joke. People do not fall into this bullshit!
If you really think that you have to say something then be better in research! I have seen this machines in real life! I was there! You not!
So how can you put out the truth? By guessing? No!No! Thats not fair!
Please do better research instead of waisting other peoples time! Please!
You saw some PC hardware. That’s not a substitute for legally required regulatory registration and investor disclosures.
Nor is it proof of Cloud Horizon using external revenue to pay returns.
Please do better research instead of wasting other people’s time!
True that, scammers become more wiser than ever, but still looks obvious scam.
Truthseekeker, think ’bout that how hard is build some lousy factory and hire actors to win regular people’s trust? I guess you belie it is not possible.
Cockroaches like Ricketts and co invest money to build some bullshit fake factories and start advertising this.
They show it to some mlm “investors”, these donkeys believe everything is legit and start spreading the word.
Again, this is not Ricketts company! And this machines are real! No PC-hardware!
The professors are there, also the University who made the research with them, and countries come and buy this machines!!! Do you really think that you know more than whole delegations of Pros from all over the world??? I doubt…
Stop talking bad about good things! And go after the real bad guys, but in this case things are correct!
Of course it is.
So? Having hardware is not evidence of external revenue being used to pay affiliates.
What scam pros know or don’t know didn’t factor into my due-diligence.
Frank Ricketts is a serial scammer and Cloud Horizon is a Ponzi scheme.
Actually it is not just a Ponzi scheme, it is a big big fraud and scam. There is no fuel making, just faking it.
I have seen so many similar fraud before and all signs are the same. Some many red flags with this “company”.
Lol, “hole delegations of Pros from all over the world”. Truthseeker, , you mean these superstar MLM “leaders and influencers”?
Anyway, good review vid from youtube: (Ozedit: video link removed, see below)
Rory Singh and Jesse Singh are plagiarists who rips off our content and passes it off as their own on YouTube.
Their reviews are only “good” because of the uncredited research we put into them.
You made a series of untruths …
– The amount of the package is incorrect
– there are no references to travel packages and much more that package buyers get IN THE SAME MOMMENT
– You are talking about a company as fictitious and exists for 15 years, as well as Dr. Metta is not a fictitious figure (evidence is also available because it was supported by the royal family in 2007.), plants also exist, from generation 1 to generation 5 and are functional
– how can a networker be guilty if he abandoned the project in time to see that he does not fulfill the promises, and the owners who are arrested are not guilty (Staffan Liback)
– Frank Rickets was not been in one coin, but he has been negotiating with them about the integration of Site talk into One coin, but negotiations have failed
– Negotiations with the Orient have also been run for a long time until all of the necessary conditions have been met, so as to avoid placing the substance without any foundation, which is a fuel.
Package costs were sourced from a Frank Rickett’s hosted presentation.
If they’ve changed, cool. That doesn’t make the figures quoted in this date-stamped review “untrue”.
Because who gives a crap? You can’t legitimize a Ponzi scheme with “travel packages”.
Neither Cloud Horizon or Orientum are fifteen years old. SiteTalk might fit the bill. No idea who Dr. Metta is or how any of this is relevant.
The SiteTalk scam was very real, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
Scamming a bunch of people, making a ton of money and then doing a runner when recruitment collapses is what it is. Pretending it’s some noble act is dishonest.
False. Utterly false.
What negotiations? Cloud Horizon is the result of an incestuous relationship between former OneCoin scammers and their various attempts at Ponzi glory.
Same Old Story. The french Onecoin team (One Dream Team) just join the ship : Jean Luc Beille and Pierre Andre Golbain.
And guess who is now selling the gift code? Pascal Rene Andre!!!
Your nickname has some problem with it.
A named speaker at OneCoin/OneLife event, Frank Ricketts, black diamond:
(It’s OK, if you defend a Ponzi fraud you just simply can’t have all the facts straight.)
Check this video: “New Captain of OneLife Network – mr. Frank Ricketts”
Plz o plz Let FBI make Sebastian to give up all he has on Rickets.
They fu**ed people up badly whit OPN/sitealk and jammed their follower (by all accounts all losers) stright into Onecoin,
HANDS OFF – meanwhile former LOPOCA MLM-guys (Austria) visited also the big factory in Thailand.
They was shown several industrial complexes where the but plastic waste into a Kind of “silo” (with fire in it) – specialist say it is a pyrolyses/destillationprocess – and over a Long line of pipes on the other side “oil” is running out – parts of the oil are use for heating the “silo” and overproduced oil can be sold, because it has a very low Level of Sulfur in it.
That is what they say and Show to visitors (dr. Metta was there and a lot of Thai workers) – to be honest, i was not there but this reminds me to the 1920´s when ivar kreuger runs factories, sold Shares and the only production of These factories was creating smoke for the chimneys to simulate a prosper industry…..
Scams are being conducted across Europe – can this info be translated into Spanish, French, Dutch, Geek, German etc…?
I don’t have a problem with that but I don’t speak any of those languages.
They are launching in Malaysia this weekend.
With new rules in Malaysia from Jan, all crypto are Securities. Google the Finance Minister’s announcement 10 jan.
Illegal to promote unlicensed. Penalty RM10million and 10 years jail.
visited also Thailand because i thougt it is a fraud.
But i would say SEPCO Industries is far away from not real. They made research an development for over 18 years.
Pyrolysis is not a very new technology. You can check out machines all over the world. In Autria the Oil Company OMV has its own project called “reoil”.
It is true, pyrolysis oil has a very low sulfur level (about 0.01%).
i don´t know why they hired Frank Ricketts to do the MLM Part.I think more important is that this technology has to be financed really quickly before we drown in plastic.
But please do more research about Dr. Metta and his team. The Polypetron Gen 5 is real an produces oil. 🙂
What does that have to do with verifying Cloud Horizon aren’t recycling newly invested funds to pay existing investors?
Stop getting social media marketing scammed.
Cloud Horizon pays out 45% in commissions. 55% goes to SEPCO for building machines.
This is no secret.
Don´t know what you mean with existing investors? There are no investors in cloud horizon. You buy travel packs and get free token.
you can sell the token if you want. but for your money you get the products for vacation.
Prove it. Where is the registration with financial regulators? Where is the legally required audited accounting?
CH is registerd at Caymen Islands KY1-1112 GRAND CAYMAN FLOOR 4, WILLOW HOUSE, CRICKET SQUARE as you can see on there website.
There are legal documents from SEPCO Industries and also from the SOCIUM Holding.
I cannot add files here to prove sorry. 🙁
That’s not a securities regulator and anyway, the Cayman Islands is a scam-friendly jurisdiction. Cloud Horizon incorporating there as a shell company is meaningless.
Please don’t waste my time with bullshit shell company incorporation documents. I asked for very specific and legally required documentation pertaining to Cloud Horizon:
If you don’t have it (I know you don’t, because it doesn’t exist), just say so. You can acknowledge Cloud Horizon is an illegal Ponzi scheme and we can move on.
The love to buzzwords starts to backfire. Now they say that the result of plastic waste pyrolysis is BIOfuel.
Didn’t know so far that commonly used plastic is made from corn or some other crops. Maybe that is the reason, why is it “advanced biofuel” 🙂
Advanced Bio Fuels is a category the EU made for all fuel or oil made of recycled resource’s like plastik waste or any other waste product that ends on landfills.
@ stefan – meanwhile a lot of People of the former lower Austria lopoca-mlm are interested because of this one first guy seeing oil coming from this facility in Thailand – like you.
Yes, pyrolysis works – BUT not with all kinds of Plastics, as you were shown in Thailand and not with this high grade of rentability all People from this professional scammer-team told you.
if you was in Thailand, maybe you go to cayman Island to check the address personally (without telling them, that you are coming) … i guess this would be a real surprise for you. OZ is absolutely right.
I have seen with my own eyes all Sepco factory and the Polypetron 5 plants. After October 11 we will prove we are getting our money back with benefits and we can stay as well if you want.
Everybody can have mistakes from the past and I can assure that everything is real. Please study better the Company and all the agreenrs, etc and you will see the truth.
How does seeing a factory and plant prove external revenue is being used to pay returns?
And this review was published back in April. What, you still haven’t been paid anything?
Sorry for your loss.
Have you gotten your money back? lol
as an aside cloud horizon/orientum/sepco has recently launched/spread in the UK and Ireland over the last few months @OZ
Gawd, I hope they’re not pillaging the Muslim community again. Otherwise what’s the link to the UK?
No idea, was at their presentation (awful, loads of babble about pyrolysis etc, nothing that made financial sense) in Ireland, uk “investors” also there cheering it on.
Cloud Horizon is (Ozedit: marketing waffle removed. See below.)
Feel free to provide audited accounting reports supporting Cloud Horizon’s marketing claims.
As it stands the only verifiable source of revenue entering the company is new investment, making Cloud Horizon a Ponzi scheme.
It’s November 19th. Go ahead.
A new article about Cloud Horizon in Finland, and how it’s run by former OneCoin crooks with dubious business plans:
Cloud Horizon is funding Sepco’s plastic-to-diesel plant to be built in the city of Nokia, in an area where there is a business park for bio/recycling industry innovation. But it’s completely separate from the rest of the companies in that area, and is in fact shunned by them.
My guess is that the Cloud Horizon scammers are building the plant to that area in order to leach the reputation of the “ECO3 area” (youtube.com/watch?v=NyGVMtZvSe8).
Funnily, the article says Sepco participated in an innovation competition in Finland with their plastic-to-diesel plant business idea, but the expert jury dismissed the idea as unworkable and gave it zero points.
Probably. This is old, but worth a read.
It appears that Sepco will terminate all operations in Finland (and city of Nokia) after the article referenced above outed its connections to Cloud Horizon / former OneCoin -scammers.
Against all the evidence (and a caught attempt to erase evidence about the conenction) they try to deny any connection to Cloud Hotizon MLM funding. See the addendum to the article.
hi, in italy there are many cloud horizon presentations and many people have made investments with them. They said the new headquarters will be in Austra and ORTP is now public with blockchain ethereum.
Frank Ricketts is no longer CEO cloud horizon, I read all your posts, possible scam, how can I prove this?
I would like to go to the police to stop this scam, I need proof. thanks.
Is Cloud Horizon registered to offer securities in your country?
If not, that’s all the proof you need it’s a scam.
Hello, after the introduction I have a question or two.
Frank Ricketts is gone as CEO from Cloud Horizon just after implementing his shady company SiteTalk (now named CCW Cashback) into Crypto Community World (= Cloud Horizon). Cloud Horizon is also changing their platform name into ECOVO-AMPLIVO.
I also heard that the ORTP finaly went public (at what price?) so another great timing issue from Frank Ricketts (didn’t something simular happen during the OneCoin scam?!) so he can be the first and probably one of the few who can actually cash in their “monopoly money” for real money!
I have the folowing questions. Why did Frank Ricketts leave and does that have anything to do with the ORTP going public and the name change of the platform. Feel free to add remarks or put questions that I did’t put in.
Looking forward to the responses. Thanks Johan
ECOVO-AMPLIVO? Geez, that’s a pretty crappy sounding name – even by scam standards.
ORTP isn’t on CoinMarketCap, so if it is public they might have dumped it on some crappy exchange nobody uses. This is typical of MLM companies exit-scamming via public listing.
As for Ricketts, he’s probably feeling OneCoin heat. Or he just cashed out and did a runner.
Thank you for the reply Oz and as of december 8 Cloud Horizon is Ecovo Amplivo and it is raining bs as you can see lol
Could this be to take the attention away from the not building of the promised plastic-into-black-gold-machines?
And do you know why SiteTalk/CCW-Casback suddenly joined forces with Crypto Community World and if I am not mistaken also an online financial program with the name CCW joined them.
Thanks again. Johan
I’ll watch some of the webinars tomorrow to get a better idea. If the plastic recycling ruse is gone then yeah, all they’ve done is replace the original bullshit with more bullshit.
SiteTalk was part of OPN, which Ricketts sold off to OneCoin a few years back. If SiteTalk is attached to a separate website maybe Rickett’s double-dipped and sold the affiliate database twice.
Alright that’s an hour of my life I’m not getting back.
Ecovo = environmental themed marketing blog.
Amplivo = social network marketing spam.
90 EUR to sign up, or I think bundled with Cloud Horizon package investment.
Ecovo and Amplivo are basically used as marketing tools to get people to buy Cloud Horizon packages. You get some “marketing campaign” bs to spam people with when you invest.
Thanks anyway! It’s costing me an hour or two a day but somebody I care deeply for is invested (2 stars) in this Plastic Waste Solution deal but I can’t talk about to her without solid proof that it is indeed a scam.
In Holland they are going with their live seminars from once a month to twice a month and different locations. So if you hear anything interesting Oz please let me know by posting it in this article.
And again sorry for having you waste your time on this bs lol but much appreciated! Untill the next round! Johan l
What about this article here below about Amplivo-Ecovo
And last but not least…
LAST PROOF OF CONCEPT: We started on the market from 11.10.2019. (before it’s announced, like everything in this project)
Any truth to any of this Oz?
No worries. Good luck with it!
Amplivo and Ecovo very much exist, that linked website is just promotion spam.
What I was saying is they’re just marketing tools for Cloud Horizon.
Amplivo and Ecovo aren’t MLM opportunities in and of themselves, at least as far as I can see.
ORTP does nothing
Both ORT and ORTP are listed on their own exchange with an Austrian Workspace address:
Thanks again Oz but you are loosing me a little bit because I am new to the whole mlm and crypto currancy world.
You… Amplivo and Ecovo very much exist, that linked website is just promotion spam.
Me… Amplivo and Ecovo exist so no shell company? and which website?
You… Amplivo and Ecovo aren’t MLM opportunities in and of themselves, at least as far as I can see.
Me… What do you mean by that?
Thanks again… Greetz Johan
Amplivo and Ecovo exist in that they’re marketing tools to promote Cloud Horizon’s fraudulent investment opportunity. There’s literally no other point to them.
One is a blog with curated environment content and the other is some social network marketing spam bullshit.
They’re not standalone MLM opportunities in and of themselves. There’s some points bullshit there but not an income opportunity (outside of scamming people into Cloud Horizon through them).
Thanks Oz for explaining. …And sorry for again a double reaction but it was send before I finished it and I could’t add to it.
I spent two more hours #lol this time on listening to the two latest instruction video’s regarding the transition and let me tell you that was FUN!
I litterly fell of the couch being amazed of the bulbullshit they are actually selling to their own “worker bees”.
And not a word about Sepco industries. But solid advice to put your (bonus) income into ortp’s and hold on to them for at least one but better yet two years.
And they are blocking your already made earnings to secure balance in all of the accounts.
I AM IN AWE #lol
Here are the two latest links I am talking about above taken from Telegram-Group Cloud Horizon Team Europa on the plasticwastesolution.com website…
youtu.be/-eG4HdO2BOA 2 december
youtu.be/sCDQP-UcJ9g 5 december
I enjoyed watching because I learned more about what they are doing and how they are tricking people into joining their #SCAM
Untill next time!
Hello Oz will you or anybody else please explain to me what this (see link) means…
It means that, instead of pretending to have their own blockchain where their Orientum token supposedly lives, they’ve decided to create yet another pointless, worthless ERC-20 token, which lives on the Ethereum blockchain.
Anybody can do that, here are simple how-to instructions entitled:
How To Create Your Own Ethereum Token In An Hour (ERC20 + Verified).
This could be the exit scam, while everyone is happily converting their current token holdings into these ERC-20 ones they’ll take the money and run.
Or they could try and keep the thing going for a bit longer.
With this setup, nobody can claim that there is no blockchain, and therefore no tokens/coins, the way they could with OneCoin.
People will be able to see with existing software that there are indeed real tokens out there on a real blockchain.
It makes no real difference whatsoever, because those tokens will remain totally worthless, and they’ll still be paying into a scam.
There’s no such thing as “the public blockchain”.
ORT is just a scam token Orientum used to run a Ponzi scheme through. Now it’s part of Cloud Horizon.
Thanks Oz and PassingBy for the clearification
And yes I believe you are correct PassingBy that it is the start of their exit-scam but not before they have all their affiliates couch up some money by having them invest in the new article-packages because that is what Ampliva ecOvo scam is all about; buying and selling articles about a clean planeet and how you can be a part of it.
Their catchy phrase they use among themselves is and hold on to your hat.
Anyway in the YouTube link below the (exit)scam will be reveilled.
youtu.be/sCDQP-UcJ9g the Amplivo ecOvo training they presented through “Zoom” on december 5 a must see #lol
To be continued…
more than 1 mio Euro (own words – dated 5th nov.) are meahnwile collected from a former high lopoca investor (mr. snowmobile) in austria.
yes, rickets is said to not any longer on board and yes, they opened an office (what kind of, i do not know) in austria with the above mentions new names Amplivio Ecovo…. Pascal-Rene Andre is often mentioned now as presenter…
This monday update call (see link) from the 2nd of december explains more or less the new road (products, bonussysteem, concern for our planet) Cloud Horizon has taken…
What I don’t understand is that, if Staffan Liback (now the big man behind Amplivo / EcoVo) is really the scam artist he ‘s been made out to be, why he is not arrested for his OneCoin involvement and earlier “crimes”…
Everything that is happening now with Cloud Horizon / Amplivo EcoVo is looking like copies of how OneLife went about…
Below a part of a Telegram message, dated the 15th of December 2019, on the Dutch Plasticwastesolution.com page…
I will translate this so you all understand my question below the translation…
My first question is can the mentioned oil sale be checked?… The thing is this message below is from the Amplivo Team Europe Telegram page dated December the 18th 2019…
…and not a word about the sale of oil which to me seems to be the most important for financing more machines to convert plastic waste into fuel, or am I mistaken…
My second question is can the buying of ORTP’s by the company on EltronX be verivied?… Can these transactions be checked on their – public – blockchain (or is that something completely different, I am just a guy not an expert lol) and/or on EltronX…
Personally I think that if Cloud Horizon / Amplivo EcoVo is indeed a scam than there is no oil sold… And because of their recent (or longstanding) pay out problems the company invests this amount of money as a “try to keep them on bourd bonus”…
However I can be mistaken, completely thinking in the wrong direction and sounding like an idiot but I want to SHARE (in the true EcoVo way lol) my opinion and hopefully I get the answers I am looking for…
Thanks for now and till the next time… Johan
Of course not. Because Cloud Horizon is not registered to offer securities and has provided no audited accounting reports to financial regulators.
Note that some random “look guys we sold oil” receipts are not enough. Actual filed financial reports are required to confirm external revenue is being used to pay Cloud Horizon affiliate investors.
You’ll never get this because… Ponzi.
Thanks again Oz for your reply, but what interrests me the most is the payment of €300 for 10,000 ORTP’s to whomever who wanted to sell their ORTP’s…
Is that real or not and if real shouldn’t these transactions than somehow be traceable on the EltronX website… Am I right running pthat CH/AmplivoEcovo is paying it out off their petty cash or…
Now this aside if I may … It is very personal to me because of the involvement of someone I care deeply for and I don’t want to see her hurt.. And she is more than 100% (yes I know that is not possible but for argument sake) that it is ligit.
She went to Thailand and visited the plant and talked to “the professor”, and according to her there is no possibillity that it is a ponzi scheme and she is getting deeper and deeper involved…
If I don’t want to lose her over this, I really need to come up with solid proof or else I have to keep my. mouth shut and can do nothing else that to see her go down!
Ok now the following… On the cointelligence.com website is mentioned at the bottum of the review
What to make of this above mentioned and just as what to make of the homepage of eltronx of their website on which they claim the following…
Isn’t that a blatant lie?…
Looking forward to more reaction from which I can learn and use on my quest to out these scam-fuckers! Greetz Johan
Cloud Horizon is a closed-loop ecosystem. Any money paid out is money someone else invested.
EltronX, Amplivo Ecovo etc. etc. are smoke and mirrors.
You’re falling into the trap of asking non-investors to prove claims Cloud Horizon and its investors are making.
Anything you hear from Cloud Horizon and its promoters (including your crush) should be verifiable via public records. This is where registration and reporting to financial regulators comes in.
Unless that happens, you’re being lied to.
Ok and thanks but again I am not very known in that area so how would I go about that…
Where do I start with as you say “should be verifiable via public records. This is where registration and reporting to financial regulators comes in. I do not fully understand that what your saying…
And just to be clear the supposed invester for the past out on the ORTP’s could very well be Cloud Horizon myself or any of the Frank Ricketts shell companies, true or false?…
Well 03.30 in the morning here in Holland so this will be all for today apart from the many thanks I owe you Oz for being patiënt with me… Greetz Johan
Ask your crush whether Cloud Horizon is registered to offer securities in Thailand and where you live.
If she doesn’t answer “yes” and provide evidence to back up any of her claims then that’s that.
ORTP isn’t worth anything. Only gullible schmucks bought into it. The con now is finding new bagholders so those who invested don’t lose it all.
The Cloud Horizon platform is “replaced” by the Amplivo and EcoVo platforms and in the two video’s below it will all be explained…
The first one is about Amplivo and EcoVo and the second one is their new compensation plan… ENJOY!
Reacti are very welcome… Greetz Johan
Talking about ORTP… Why is it that eidoo and bitcoinspot never heard of the ORTP+ ERC20 token, but etherscan knows seven different Orientum tokens…
Strange about it though is, is that if you press search after putting in Orientum you get search not found / invalid… But if you don’t press search, but click on one of the seven token links you get all sorts of information like holders, total supply, transactions and quantity…
Could somebody explains this to me please… Thanks in advance… Johan
We’ve already been over this. Amplivo and EcoVo aren’t replacing Cloud Horizon, they’re just marketing gimmicks.
The fraudulent investment scheme is still the core of Cloud Horizon’s MLM offering. See comment #49.
As for ERC20 tokens, Orientum is a Ponzi scheme. Don’t expect their shit tokens to make any sense.
First of all I wish you Oz and all of the readers of behindml.com a good and healthy 2020…
Returning to topic I can tell you that not everyone is of to a good start of the new year, but what the heck you can’t win them all… Like me and my crush whom I’ve left behind in 2019…
As of yesterday or today if you wish the next-level platforms Amplivo and EcoVo are after a month no longer (fyi never have been) operational and starting tomorrow tuesday januari 7 2020 the former Cloud Horizon platform will be reinstated…
Staffan Liback, the founder of this concept, explains why in this 6 minutes lasting (must see to believe) video;
…and for those who choose to not see above mentioned video or not watch it to the end #spoilerallert
The TOP LEADERSHIP and STAFFAN LIBACK have persuaded FRANK RICKETTS to return as CEO OF CLOUD HORIZON!
Why is all of this now happening and to what end?…
Sorry to hear about your crush. Might be for the best though.
For the same and only reason Cloud Horizon exists: To steal as much money from as many people as possible.
Loved Liback’s video. Even Thailand’s fauna is bored of MLM crypto Ponzis.
Crush wise you are not wrong but thanks never the less… FYI she called Staffan brave giving this video message and a show of courage moving forward…
But WHY CHANGE BACK to Cloud Horizon and why involve (at least publicly) Frank Ricketts again… Everything happens for a reason and that is what I don’t understand…
I am however in total agreement with you Oz that Cloud Horizon is a money-hungering-thief of the worst kind… No misunderstanding there!
Oh well I hope I’ll understand one no some day…
Staffan Liback is known scammer in Finland, starting his scamming career in MOVE network in the early 00’s. His Ikaros group scam forced him to leave Finland, when authorities started investigating it.
I think he hasn’t done any honest work in his life, just moving from scam to another. Unfortunately maggots like him are dime in dozen in MLM-“industry”.
It’s interesting to know that Frank Ricketts is not arrested, and Libäck managed to coax him out his hideout to make a comeback as a “captain” of CloudHorizon.
If he starts making scheduled public appearences, there is a better chance that FBI is able to catch him. He is definately a person of interest, as the SDNY OneCoin court docs show.
I managed (no biggy fyi) to get my hands on the extremely good news as promised by Staffan Liback (who once again so it seems f*cks up within a few months after been handed the reins, see https://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin/steinkeller-brothers-walk-away-from-2-5-mill-monthly-onecoin-income/) in his (6 minutes lasting) video (youtu.be/BKJWTKCDM64) which would make all influencers feel once again satisfied (some promotions left and right are promised) and secure (real upgrades this time hahahah) to move forward with the organisation…
That said here is that (in pertfect English for that extra cachet) EXTREMELY GOOD NEWS LOL!
“Your Cloud Horizon Management” writes above and I quote;
“Your Cloud Horizon Management” also writes above and I quote;
I can hardly wait to read tuesday’s newsletter and find out what next-level-bs “Your Cloud Horizon Management” has come up with to further keep the sheep in line… Could this be their EXITSCAM perhaps and they are stalling time with this transition back in time? Anyone?
I doubt it’s an exit-scam, Cloud Horizon wasn’t really going anywhere before change and probably won’t after.
It’s a OneCoin clone and that ship has sailed.
This is investors signing up for a Ponzi scheme, getting upset when the branding changes and desperate scammers reverting.
…no a new Newsletter arrived – see below – cloud horizon is back on stage:
LOL! and not only that… look at their
We can Rock and Roll again!!
150% extra FLP on all purchases of products and services with BV
100% extra FLP on all first level income, instead of 12% you will receive 24%
Promotion ending Friday 23.59pm GMT 17th January
Business is going to be BOOMING!!
A quote from Oz (you’re the man!) out of this article some 9 months ago;
Oz I hereby tip my hat to you… Well predicted Grand MLM Master!
Cover enough MLM Ponzi schemes and you start to identify patterns.
Your Cloud Horizon Management writes in their second newsletter and I quote;
So what is the catch or can I just sign up and further my research, but from more up close and personal…
The King (personally I think he’s a Queen and I am not often wrong when it comes to that) of mlm-scams has come out of retirement and his first order of business is a message for all influencers;
Message from Frank Ricketts
Yesterday Staffan Liback made yet another 5 minute lasting video from the (empty, but he explains why lol) Bangkok office to show that they are a real company and doing everything they can to offer support and then asking for a few more hours of patience before the information will be given…
Even Frank Ricketts working hard out of the conference room (pay special attention to the flipover prop) takes time out of his busy scedule to wave to us…
A picture says more than a thousand words people say, well I just call it condescending!
Oz I hope you find this “little jewel” just as entertaining as the last one…
Listening to Liback waffle on isn’t as entertaining without the crickets 🙁
I just watched the Zoom call from Staffan and MISTER (hahahah) Frank updating the influencers (see info message following that update-call)… on current state of afairs…
If I understood correct then point 1 in the message below meand that they somehow manage to misplace the cash that the influencers had in their online wallet (see zoom-call from 20 minutes forward) and if they want their money refunded they have to show proof of the amount requested…
And again if I understood correct then point 2 about the Senator-card refers to concerns that the bank has to the recently issuesed Senator-cards… So that explains why in the foreseeable future the Senator-cards are left out of the packages; the bank(s) have grove concerns…
After all this good news a heavily coked-up Staffan has the audacity to “sell” tickets for their 0202 2020 party in Thailand.
But there are no guarantees that the three-stars-influencers who will get a free ticket but only one lol (four and five stars are guarenteed to bring their life-partner, and the one and two stars are not even mentioned ouch!) can bring their spouses along because he fears a shortage of hotel beds LOL
Hi! Thanks for this post and thanks for all the further comments between Oz and Johan.
I am in a similar situation to Johan, with someone that I know quite sold into this mess.
Just wanted to add that I made some simple maths:
– Sepco claims that they can produce 15K litres of oil per day (per machine).
Assuming that 50 machines work all year round, that will give around 250Mio litres per year.
– 1 oil barrel is 158 litres. 1 oil barrel sells for 0.70$. That makes the worth of 50 machines a little bit above 1.1Mio $.
– Eltronx’s website claims that the maxim number of ORTP tokens will be 40 billion. That makes a benefit of roughly 0,000027 $/ORTP IF ALL MONEY FROM SELLING OIL GOES TO ORTP HOLDERS.
Even if the whole scam was true, as an investment it is as bad as it can be.
You have misplaced the decimal point. Crude oil price is ~60 USD/bbl, not 0.70 USD/bbl.
With that correction, it would be cool to use the same math to count how many machines would need to be running to make this made-up money machine to even break even.
Can we fit them on one continent or do we need to occupy space from another one?
The Orientum plus (ORTP+) token is “deposited” with the oil produced and anyone who is part of this oil cycle can only buy and sell the oil with the ORTP+. The ratio of oil output in ORTP+ is unfortunately not clear.
Looking closer at the ORTP+ token you immediately see the technical standard ERC20.
If you check this on blockchain Explorer Etherscan.io. you will find that there are two different ORTP+ tokens both with a total of 40 billion tokens. One has only two active addresses, the other around 7,500 with around 20,300 transactions.
The ORTP+ token currently has an alleged value of 0.02. With 40 billion units, this would result in a market value of 800 million.
According to Frank Ricketts (CEO of Cloud Horizon Ltd) 50% is owned by Cloud Horizon Ltd, 25% by Sepco Industry and 25% by Orientum.
Striking is that this token distribution is not reflected in the distribution on Etherscan.io.
When the price rises to 0.25 (as the sales-pitch promises), the ORTP catapults from zero to third among all cryptocurrencies with a possible market capitalization of more than 10 billion.
At current market prices, this market capitalization represents around 26 billion liters of oil. This means that all 50 plants Cloud Horizon is promising will have to produce non-stop for more or less 95 years, but only 1 system is active!
Talking about the money-making potential of these Sepco oil machines is completely pointless unless we know what their production costs are. (Let’s for a moment leave aside the problem that the pyrolysis oil they produce isn’t a simple drop-in replacement for crude oil, and requires significant changes in the rest of the production chain to result in usable products.)
They claim they have the capacity to make 15,000 litres of “crude oil equivalent” per day per unit (note they don’t say they have ever actually produced that much).
At today’s Brent Crude price, that means about 6,150 USD gross revenue per day. But without any idea of how much such a unit costs to build and run, that’s a meaningless number.
There are a few things we can know, however.
Generally, any kind of chemical bulk processing is a low-margin business. “Big Oil” companies are lucky if they get above a 6% profit margin.
And they don’t have to gather mountains of waste, sort it very carefully to only pick the right kinds of plastic, dispose of all the rest, and transport the usable stuff to their plants in massive amounts. (You don’t ever see Sepco’s waste preprocessing facilities in the pictures, do you? How much waste do they have to go through to get the 20 tonnes of usable stuff each unit would need every day to make those 15,000 liters, and what kind of manpower does that sorting process require?)
Also, this isn’t new technology at all. Assessing its commercial viability isn’t difficult if you know what the costs are.
This is one of those cases where one can say with absolute certainty that if it was possible to make money this way, lots of companies would already be doing it. That all that exists are small-scale experimental plants says enough.
This is your typical MLM pretend product, the thing used to try and hide that it’s just another standard pyramid/Ponzi combo.
These oil recycling plants are what the flying choo-choos (to use the correct technical term) are to Skyway. It appeals to the technological ignorance of the marks, who they make believe they have exclusive ownership of a major technological breakthrough.
To PassingBy thank you for your clear explanation ⬆️ here above…
I think you (and others) will enjoy this 10 minute crash course ⬇️ (by Azad Abeldelkarim, a Cloud Horizon 5 star top influencer) in Amplivo/EcoVo (rip) and how their products are supporting Sepco into realising the 800,000 machines that are nescessary to deal with the global plastic waste problem…
I am convinced how about you LOL!
To PassingBy thank you for your clear explanation ⬆️ here above…
I think you (and others) will enjoy this 10 minute crash course ⬇️ (by Azad Abeldelkarim, a Cloud Horizon 5 star top influencer) in Amplivo/EcoVo (rip) and how their products are supporting Sepco into realising the 800,000 machines that are nescessary to deal with the global plastic waste problem…
I am convinced how about you…
Otto I have a question question for you; March 9th 2019 you post the following comment in the behindMLM-article “Konstantin arrested, criminal charges filed against Ruja Ignatova”;
Then how is it in your opinion possible that almost a year later Frank Ricketts and Staffan Liback, who were both top-EARNERS and top-PROMOTORS in the ONESCOIN-SCAM, are pulling off more or less the same scam/stunt. It cannot be a shortage in cryptocurrency and well timed also seems a stretch.
Oz it speaks for itself that I am of course also interested in your opinion…
You’ll find most of the victims of these reboot scams were pillaged from OneCoin downlines of the scammers running them.
We’re mostly talking third-world countries with limited to no English too unfortunately.
With respect to Cloud Horizon, this garbage started in late 2018. Ricketts himself took a short break for the rest of 2017 before trying to get the AuLives OneCoin clone off the ground in 2018.
Cloud Horizon hasn’t really gone anywhere since then, so thankfully the number of victims willing to hand over more money seems limited.
Oz, hoping not to sound like a broken record, but in The Netherlands (definitely not a third world country, no offence lol) plasticwastesolution (Ozedit: snip, see below)
Selling dreams never gets old, and that’s what MLMers ultimately do.
Dunno what Plastic Waste Solution is and don’t care. It doesn’t have anything to do with Cloud Horizon’s fraudulent investment opportunity.
Also please don’t change your comment alias again.
Oz sorry but plasticwastesolution.com has everything to do with Cloud Horizon… see ⬇️
or am I missing something…
You’re missing something. This is all smoke and mirrors, just like Ecovo and Amplivo.
You invest in Cloud Horizon and those who invested before you steal your money. Anything outside of that (including marketing rubbish about plastic recycling etc.) is smoke and mirrors.
Well Oz one week later and I am still trying to figure out what I am missing/not seeing/not understanding… This past week I’ve been reading a lot of online-articles as well as watching numerous YouTube video’s on the subject and/but I am still not seeing it I guess…
For instance after watching these two video’s: (Ozedit: marketing spam removed)
You invest in Cloud Horizon, they use your money to pay existing investors.
The fiction they’ve created around that flow of money is smoke and mirrors.
Look if you want to buy into the bullshit Liback and Ricketts are pushing awesome, I’m not here to convince you otherwise.
The onus is on you though to provide evidence to back up these claims. Not just link to spam presentations and go “see!”.
Cloud Horizon is not registered to offer securities in Thailand or elsewhere. They have no legally required audited accounting and there is no proof available to back up any of their claims.
Cloud Horizon is a Ponzi scheme, same as everything else Liback and Ricketts have been involved in.
(To you personally) Oz (or not and then OZedit all you like lol)…
First my sincere thanks for again trying to educate me instead of dismissing me… That being said In my opinion you are misinterpreting my motives/reasons for the question(s) I ask(ed)…
I have no intention, nor did I ever had any intention to invest in (as you call it) the smoke and mirrors bullshit “turn plastic waste to oil” brought to
“the world” by Cloud Horizon…
Please understand that from even before my first comment here (#45 on Dec 5th 2019) I am under the impression that Cloud Horizon is a fraudulant (investment) company…
And everything I’ve read about Cloud Horizon including all the related posts I could find about OneCoin, Dagcoin (a fellow Dutchie Alberts ) Orientum, AULives etc. on behindMLN.com, and on top of that the presentations/tutorials that I watched on YouTube presented by Staffan Liback, only added to my believe in the wrongdoings by Cloud Horizon…
《to be OZedit ➡️》 but really Oz the level of astonishment I reached during and after having watched [ Staffan’s “Learn To Earn”-webinar, dated Nov 27, 2019 / youtu.be/MsmKK0wX-Uw ]
I cannot begin to describe (is from the category “you have to see it to believe it” hahah)… I am especially, because of this above mentioned webinar, flabbergasted by how unwary Cloud Horizon’s influencers/merchants are as well as the unbelievable gullibility of their prospects/clients…
I mean really how can you as a normal rational person 《and to illustrate from the “LTE”- webinar; listening to Staffan who’s saying that you will make a mistake when you sell now, because you have to think longterm and hold on to your ORTP’s for at least 10 years or more because Sepco’s machines also have a life expectancy of 10 years or more》 and not think this guy Staffan is CUCKOO! but instead buy into this total bs he is “selling”…
Ok now for the difficult part and Oz I really hope you don’t take it the wrong way because I don’t know any other way to explain…
The questions I ask I am asking because I really want to understand the underlying Cloud Horizon fraudulant investment scam you refer* to on numerous occasions and I shamefully have to admit that I still don’t get/miss it…
I totally understand why you are calling Cloud Horizon a Ponzi scheme and I also get the whole smoke and mirrors explanation, but the parts in your comments I don’t understand are…
#103 “You invest in Cloud Horizon, they use your money to pay existing investors”
#101 “You invest in Cloud Horizon and those who invested before you steal your money.”
#99 ” It doesn’t have anything to do with Cloud Horizon’s fraudulent investment opportunity.”
#56 “Amplivo and Ecovo exist in that they’re marketing tools to promote Cloud Horizon’s fraudulent investment opportunity. There’s literally no other point to them.”
You also write in this review “Cloud Horizon Review: SiteTalk and Orientum scams combined” about Cloud Horizon; ” it was launched as a standalone MLM opportunity on or around late January, 2019.”
So my questions are, if Cloud Horizon only excists since Januari 2019 then which excisting investors made what fraudulant investments** and when?
**what products did they invest in?
You also refer to comment #49 as to where all is explained, but you guessed it hahah I also don’t get what you try to make me clear (what packages?)…
#49 Ecovo and Amplivo are basically used as marketing tools to get people to buy Cloud Horizon packages. You get some “marketing campaign” bs to spam people with when you invest.”
what is your take on Cloud Horizon changing its webadres into…
Ok Oz that’s all the explaining and questioning I have for now and I hope I haven’t offended you in any way because I really enjoy reading behindMLM and the interactions on it…
FYI; I am using my real name emailadres now because change of phones (forgot password pfffff lol)…
Don’t know if it’s a communication problem but I honestly am not sure what you’re looking for at this point.
I keep telling you over and over again that Cloud Horizon’s marketing BS is smoke and mirrors.
You keep coming back with “but Frank Ricketts said this… Stefan Liback said this… what about (insert webinar)?”
You want me to try to explain Cloud Horizon’s marketing BS? Not gonna happen.
It’s a Ponzi scheme. You invest, people who invested before you steal your money and you steal money from those who invest after you.
There’s no products. Whatever narratives Cloud Horizon comes up to sell you that are BS and have been since day one.
Feel free to followup said narratives with Cloud Horizon. I think I’m done here.
Hi, how are you? I appreciate each comment, they are very helpful, my brother got into this “business” and I don’t know how to tell him all this that you denounce in this blog.
On the one hand he traveled in September to visit the industrial plant, in Thailand, that is, he met the executives of SEPCO INDUSTRIA and the Industrial polypetrol gen 5 module.
I participate in a karting race that used these fuels, he invested one 7500 euros in the package that put his wife on the net, to reach the 10,000 that ask you to be 1 star.
This he did after traveling, when he returned to the country he began to do Network Marketing and must have more than 200 people on his team.
Which mostly joined only as a follower to the platform, that is, they did not buy that license that is € 95 to be able to commission on the sale of the packages nor did they buy one themselves.
but in turn they won bids (auctions) worth 800 or 1000 euros (without investing money).
and another won a trip to Spain in a 5 star hotel for two people in the (tombola).
My questions are this because it happens ?.
What do you say about holiday plus and inspire resort? (which are the agreements that the packages contain). Those who bought my brother used the discounts without problem in those hotels.
I am trying to contact the official website of Sepco Industria to unravel this scam.
but I can’t find anything, just this blog of opinions, and when I show this to my brother he has proof (many) that it works and I really don’t know what to do.
I need help.
Our review is based on facts, not opinions. Any opinions expressed are based on those facts.
If that’s not enough for you, ask your brother for proof Cloud Horizon is registered with financial regulators in your country. They have to do this because it’s a passive investment opportunity (security).
If registered, they’ll then be able to provide you with audited accounting, showing external revenue is in fact being used to pay affiliates.
Traveling to Thailand, meeting axecutives, blahblahblah – this is not a substitute for operating legally. Nor is it actual due-diligence.
Sepco Industries is smoke and mirrors, your due-diligence begins and ends with Cloud Horizon.
Passive investment opportunity? Check. Registered with financial regulators? *crickets*
Trinkets awarded to Ponzi recruiters. Not really sure what you’re getting at.
If the “proof” your brother has shown you is mostly “look I got money!”, that’s not proof of legitimacy. It’s only proof he was able to steal money from those who joined after him.
If all else fails, unfortunately you’ll have to walk away. When Cloud Horizon inevitably collapses, try to be there for him (assuming he doesn’t become a serial scammer and funnel his downline into more Ponzis).
Hello, thanks for the answer.
Today I confronted my brother, I asked him to give me the information about Financial regulation in our country, I am from Argentina. He replied that there is a corporate trade about 85 km from our house that opened in November, where Frank Rikkets was.
I leave below the video.
To this I responded, because in November they open an office with the name of cloud horizon and today February is to say less than 6 months later the company is called Amplivo. That is very rare.
He told me that it is a marketing strategy, now my own parents fell into the trap, yesterday they made a video conference with the new amplivo-ecovo compensation plan. And this is where they managed to convince my parents, who are already dedicated to being entrepreneurs, since it has a pavement construction company more than 10 years ago, they managed to fall into this and I don’t know what to do.
I don’t know to which body I can report them. My brother is already 2 star of the company with the income of my parents, they work together with that Azad that you shared the video dd dl in your compensation plan.
I told my brother that cloud horizon has no possibility of operating in Thailand which is all smoke.
and I talk about the socium consortium.
I really do not understand anything else, I know that this is a farce, I understood the problem of plastic is terrible but why do they need a marketing network for this?
Now they added two new cryptocurrencies in addition to Orientum plus, which may come to the case their official website does not even work.
I don’t know what to do, I need information to report this to the top agencies.
Don’t know what a “corporate trade” is, but I can tell you it has nothing to do with securities regulation.
Securities in Aregentina are registered with Comisión Nacional de Valores.
Either Cloud Horizon is registered with Comisión Nacional de Valores, or it is operating illegally in Argentina.
Stick to that point. You can’t do much about Thailand and the rest of it.
If your brother and parents are fine with committing securities fraud, you might have to just let this one go.
Try to be there for them when Cloud Horizon inevitably collapses.
Christopher you can check out Socium Holdings on their website: sociumholdings.com
At the end of Februari 2020 EltronX (already removed from the consortium page on the Socium website) will not be used as an exchange for their “funny money” coin any longer because they will start using different multiple exchanges…
This according to an internal Cloud Horizon (because Amplivo and Ecovo are only used for marketing purposes) memo, you can check this with your brother…
Furthermore Cloud Horizon is again (third time in their first year) changing their compensation plan, coming with new sales packages*, a new payment system (also for the third time), airdrops are announced as well as NEW TOKENS (?????)…
*Educational packages so it is starting to look more like OneLife by the day, which is not a surprise because Staffan Liback and Frank Ricketts were both very much involved in OneCoin as well as Nattchaphan Sornsirenan who is responsible for the Orientum coin_ORT which make together with the Orientum Plus_ORTP the “funny money” coins used to con for instance your brother and your parents…
Christopher if you check out this polypetron page (sepcoindustries.com/polypetron) on the Socium Holding website you can find out some interesting points which contradict Cloud Horizons claims, because the polypetron 5 is not like a coffee machine which you can plug in, then put water and a coffeepad, push a button and coffee comes out like Cloud Horizon’s sales reps claim (see also reply #92 from PassingBy which explains a lot of above mentioned)…
Also notice the feedstock, manpower, the training and the area needed… IT’S NOT THAT SIMPLE!
Today Cloud Horizon is also going to announce in the zoom-call who the other three producers are in regard to the oil production (I don’t know what this means but maybe you can ask your brother and let me/us know ok)…
They are also talking about the two polypetrons on Sa Keao (one is 100% owned by Cloud Horizon, the other 30% CLoud Horizon and 70% private investor, so they claim)…
Anyway one is malfunctioning and the other is 90% finished LOL but not to worry because dr Metta (in between acting jobs LOL) was present and spoke comforting words…
The latest news is that there is a polypetron in France (where in France they do not say LOL) which is working at outside temperature -2 celsius so no challange is too big hahahah…
Maybe you could/should show your brother and your parents the website huayinrecycling.com (and there many more companies like this all over the world) and they can see that polypetron 5 machines are not unique and that 50 of them are not going to make any difference…
But yeah the paid in full holidays to Thailand the last week of Januari 2020 to all 2 stars and above (see youtube starbash video) will dumbed down the influencers to trick gullible people to invest in “monopoly money” aka plastic (credit card) waste solution LOL!
Thank you very much, I understand, I confronted my brother again, and he told me that this office is responsible for negotiating the Industrial modules for Argentina and the entire southern cone, he told me that they sold 2,500 Sepco Industria plants for Brazil.
Each plant costs € 1,5000,000 and he has a commission of 2%, he informs me, I tell him what proof of payment they use and he told me that there is a public limited company which responds to this office that they opened in November in the country.
I told him about the securities commission and he told me that no mlm company or one that operates with crypto is regulated by any state entity because of those benefits that exist within the industry.
I don’t understand much about MLM sincerely I dedicate myself to the textile sector, being only a plant supervisor.
I do not know what else to do I plan to go to the securities commission to comment on this activity.
In turn, my brother told me that this type of blog is no guarantee because they are only opinions, points of view and do not reflect any legal evidence of what they claim.
If I have a complaint and legal proof that Horizon-Broad cloud does not work and it is a pyramid scam to prove it, as it is not so and CEO Frank Rikkets came to Argentina two months ago and will come again this year.
If he were a scammer, the interpol should be looking for him.
Unfortunately your brother is uninformed or lying.
Passive investment opportunities are securities, regardless of whether investment is solicited in fiat, crypto, or any other vehicle.
Granted the chance of Comisión Nacional de Valores going after your brother for committing securities fraud is slim, given Cloud Horizon is a Thailand based Ponzi scheme.
Still, he’s comitting securities fraud by promoting it.
Nothing with respect to securities law I’ve stated is opinion. It’s fact.
Your brother knows Cloud Horizon isn’t registered with Comisión Nacional de Valores and operates illegally in Argentina. And so you’re going to get these wimpy cop outs.
At one point Frank Ricketts was travelling around promoting OneCoin.
I shouldn’t have to explain the folly of “if it was illegal Frank would have been arrested by now”. Perhaps if Ricketts was travelling with Konstantin in the US he would have been arrested last year.
Regulation is reactionary, and slow at best. Cloud Horizon is one of many attempted OneCoin clones. None have gotten large enough to warrant regulatory attention yet.
That said I can’t speak for Interpol. Ask your brother why Cloud Horizon doesn’t operate in the US.
BREAKING NEWS! Well breaking news for everyone who was so naive to believe that the Polypetron Gen_5 actually worked, because in the webinar given on Februari 6th 2020 Frank Ricketts says (timestamp 47:14 – 48:30) and I quote;
RIP Polypetron 5, because for now and in the near future Amplivo-Ecovo will be working on/with carefully sought out plastic-to-oil-projects which will generate high revenues and will be after completion quickly followed up by new plastic-to-oil-investment-opportunities…
With this change of business also comes a change in the “shitcoin” because the ORTP-token will be replaced by the ISF-token which for the time being will not be on any exchange, but when it does it will be something really really good and great LOL…
If I heard it correctly SiteTalk will make a comeback and forms together with Amplivo, Ecovo and CCW the new platform which will be implemented somewhere in March…
Well a lot more is said by Frank (in a, meiner meinung nach, very poor presentation) about the new compensation plan, the online banking structure and the Ecovo packages but check that out yourself if you’re interested, because it’s too much to review for me…
And last but certainly not least check out Staffan’s 15 minutes of total bs (he’s so funny hahahah) from minute 1:00:30 till 1:15:49 where he tries to make it all seem the outcome of a great vision LOL!
Why comments stopped at 7 of February??
May be a lot of changes, what anonimuses proclaim ??
Cloud Horizon’s website is gone. It now redirects to Crypto Community World.
Ponzi go boom, that’s why nobody’s talking about it.
I agree with you because how I see it there has been a lot of changes inside and out in the way Cloud Horizon is cheating people out of their money now…
Actually Oz Cloud Horizon redirects to amplivo.com (powered by Cloud Horizon Limited) and is with ecovo.com the platforms currently being used for their Ponzi-scheme…
Socium Holding Company (the mother company) is leaving no stone unturned in trying to become a better version of OneLife/OneCoin…
Real troubeling is their new financial system called Mountain Wolf through which ALL (and I mean all) transactions must go…
Anyway Staffan Frank Jay and Wayne have been and are real busy with their mlm fraud…
Whaaaaat? Last night when I checked “cloudhorizonlimited.com” redirected to CCW. Can confirm it’s redirecting to amplivo now though, strange.
Either way… Frank Ricketts and his shell companies, #RIP.
They’re apparently busy. They’ve changed at least one other redirection within the last 8 hours or so before me posting this.
I looked at either amplivo.com or ecovo.com, I’m afraid can’t remember which one, and that had a front page saying they were shut down for the time being, and offering a choice between a link to Crypto Community World, and the other one out of Amplivo or Ecovo.
That’s now gone, and both of those sites have the same kind of minimal, zero-information content.
Ah, so I’m not going crazy then.
(Hi guys! How’s the weather in Thailand?)
@Oz & @PassingBy
I do not share your experiences because from where I am sitting both amplivo.com and ecovo.com are fully operational and good looking inviting websites… And fyi I say this spitefull and regratably!
@Oz you write – quote – “Either way… Frank Ricketts and his shell companies, #RIP”
As much as I would like to believe that I think the opposite is sadly true… Frank Ricketts.
– CEO Cloud Horizon (business-side, behind the scenes making deals, playing “mister big shot”) is very much alive and kicking and so are his partners in crime.
Staffan Liback – Founder of the Socium Concept, internet voice to the influencers and outside world, acting as “the grand mlm-guru”), Jussi (JAY) Saloranta – CEO Socium Development “corporate bullshit”, basicly Frank’s and Staffan’s “marketing- puppit”), Wayne Dobson – Chief technical officer, IT specialist responsible for the websites and what not) and Peter Shaw – 6-Star Influencer (sugar coating the bullshit coming out of the mouths of the before mentioned “gentlemen”)…
If you visit Staffan’s YouTube channel you can see for yourself how busy they have been and verify that I am not talking out of my ass lol
Fully operational websites that nobody uses is as good as dead for a Ponzi scheme.
Cloud Horizon might be chugging along on paper, but as far as soliciting investment it’s dead in the water and has been for some time.
None of the OneCoin spinoffs are faring well.
@Oz I am glad to hear that Amplivo’s and Ecovo’s (so consequently Cloud Horizon’s) looks are deceiving… So it’s appearance is like their business a #con
Cloud Horizon launched a new website replacing CCW (is my guess) called hyp123.com
I remember Frank Ricketts mentioning that they will introduce voucher sales in one of the last Global Online Events, because his whole travel business is on it’s ass and peoplr who bought travel packages needed to be compensated… Well here it is operating under a probably another Ricketts shell company called “Boogie and Soul GhmbH”.
And in the meantime everybody has to get a Mountain Wolf account if they want to get paid or trade their FLP’s/Susnova on the market…
Where does it end I am asking myself…
The latest updates from Cloud Horizon via a message today at 15.00 o’clock from the CEO and I quote…
FACT OR FICTION ?!
What is this “MW Exchange”? The only thing I can find by that name is something run by an American company which has to do with medical insurance, so that’s not it.
Trying to get people to not take any money out for as long as possible is of course standard Ponzi practice. Holding on to the tokens is certainly what they’re doing themselves.
Look at: etherscan.io/token/0x3f9c0211e9ddfccabd614162ffb768f5a7a8ab38#balances
95.9% of all SusNova/ISF tokens are held by just one address, which obviously must be Ricketts himself. Then there are 4 addresses with between 0.26% and 0.17%, and 32 with between 0.08% and 0.01%. All the rest, out of a total of 5,103 addresses, have less than 0.01%.
One can only wonder what kind of trading can possibly go on, with so few people having such small amounts of tokens to sell.
That total of 5,103 is revealing, though. I wonder when all those MLM scammers currently so enamoured with having their own tokens will start realizing that, if they use an ERC-20 token or something else that can be traced on a public blockchain, it allows an otherwise unavailable insight into real numbers.
If participation in the MLM consists of acquiring tokens, the number of addresses holding them is the absolute maximum number of participants. It can only be less, if some people use more than one address.
They could of course try to hide this by splitting up their own holdings into lots of separate addresses, but if they’re not smart enough for that, it blatantly exposes the habit of MLM scammers to add one or more zeros behind their numbers.
In this case, only 5,102 people can have bought into the scam so far. Given that Ricketts has been flogging this for about a year and a half already, that’s not exactly impressive.
It’s a Frank Ricketts shit coin. Shit coins take 5 mins to setup.
Ricketts didn’t flee to Thailand after OneCoin and wake up one day as a player in oil production. It’s all bullshit to get people to invest.
@PassingBy The MW-Exchange is part of Mountain Wolf, a financial provider with a full-fledged crypto/FIAT exchanger integrated. If you try to access this exchange via google the site appears to be not operational… No surprise there LOL!
As I wrote in comment #117 “Real troubeling is their new financial system called Mountain Wolf through which ALL (and I mean all) transactions must go…”
With All I mean that their commissions, bonusses, package buying and selling, credit card services, buying, selling and trading of tokens and anything else financial you can come up with must go through the Mountain Wolf Internet Bank…
This Mountain Wolf Bank is still not fully operational and Mr. Frank Ricketts keeps, in every update, blaming the conditions due to the Corano virus for the delay, because a REAL signature is required for this kind of really important revolutionary and exceptional way of MLM-financing… LOL!
Thus the Frank & Staffan soap continue, so let’s sit back and relax to find out what the financer Frank and founder of the concept Staffan come up with next…
Apparantly I overlooked it or the sites just went live but Mountain Wolf says about itself on it’s UK site mountainwolf.com; “Mountain Wolf’s goal is to provide customers with a modern and easyto- use e-wallet which reflects an overall overview.
In addition to classic multi-currency accounts it also shows selected cryptocurrency accounts or the connected debit card as an account. Next to classical services of a financial provider there is a full-fledged crypto/FIAT exchanger integrated.”
The MW-Exchange can be found at internet adress exchange.mountainwolf.com/en
The catch is that you need to sign up and register to enter the bank or the exchange so there is nothing public or transparent about it as is claimed by Cloud Horizon’s scam artists…
Some things never change, just look different on the outside, but with the same rotten core!
Ah yes, I now remember seeing the mysterious Mountain Wolf thing come by before.
I even watched a video of Ricketts talking lots of bullshit about why some crucial signature couldn’t possibly be put on a contract because somebody couldn’t travel because of Covid-19. One wonders how the business world manages to function, if every contract requires all the people signing to do so in the same place at the same time.
The mountainwolf.com site doesn’t disappoint. It’s been put together with a free drag-and-drop website builder.
Click on “Contact Private Customers”, and you get a forlorn page with what was once a countdown clock, saying only this:
Otherwise, there’s only the text you quote, which contains at least one impossible promise: that their app will show “the connected debit card as an account”.
If by that they mean an existing debit card, that could only possibly happen with full cooperation from the bank which issued it.
Almost all banks have their own apps now, and they’ll never compromise their security by letting a third party access their systems (even if that third party was a reputable, functioning operation). In fact, I’m pretty sure it isn’t legally possible in the EU.
Of course they could mean they’re planning on issuing their own debit card. How many MLM scams have promised to start, or take over, their own bank by now?
FYI during the Amplivo Global Online Event the third of May 2020 at approximately 2 hours and 41 minutes in Frank Ricketts starts to talk about the MW-creditcard followed by the MW-exchange… Frank has prepared some spreadsheets and the one about the creditcard says and I ‘quote’;
Nothing shady about it, especially when served with Frank Ricketts commentary!
Update Cloud Horizon’s ‘plastic for oil’-scam from Socium’s CEO Jay Saloranta…
Isn’t the world already a better place, or what?…
Cloud Horizon has earned in my opinion the title “August’s Manipulating Firm Of The Month”! Why you ask me, well because of the following…
The four star Dutch team leader says the following about upcoming changes in Cloud Horizon’s policy and I quote…
08/15/2020 A quote from Jussi Saloranta (aka Jay) out of Socium Development’s newsletter
08/30/2020 Just a quick note from Jay, CEO of Socium Development and I quote
How is it possible that two machines are running at full capacity (see quote August 15th) while so much maintanance (see quote August 30th) still had to be done????????
Cloud Horizon’s new Eco currency is linked to sustainability… Could somebody please explain me how the value of such currency will be determined…
And does anybody know what is going on with Staffan Liback, because untill a month ago he was very involved promoting Amplivo/Ecovo all over, but since then nothing… He’s like a ghost…
New Ponzi investors are recruited, scammers assign random value to their new shitcoin of the day.
Nothing changes in the MLM crypto niche.
One thing has changed though, and AGAIN if I may add, and that’s their name…
They now seem to operate under the name
Future Fuels Development Company
But does that really change things or is it the same bullshit in a new coat #rhetorical
Scams changing names is indicative of banking troubles. Once you’re on their watchlist it you have to settle for riskier and riskier accounts.
Out of curiosity but does anybody know, where founder of the concept and also together with Frank Ricketts and Jay Saloranta Amplivo’s and Ecovo’s top_TOP leaders, Staffan Liback is, because it looks like he fell of the face of the earth…
He went from at least one weekly shout out and webinar participation to complete YouTube silence 3 months ago…
Liback did the same thing in OneCoin. Was handed the Steinkeller’s downline then did a quiet runner.
What follows is the translated Dutch tokenization update (10/03/2020) from Mazarine who is responsible for the communication between (global) “leadership” and the (local) “gullibles” at Cloud Horizon / Socium Development / Corsair / Amplivo / Ecovo in The Netherlands…
I am very happy to tell you that an official “Investment / Funding” agreement has now been signed between Cloud Horizon and Corsair. Corsair was previously called Socium Development, but they have changed their name by expanding their capabilities.
This agreement assures Cloud Horizon of a 33% profit share. This is their return on investment for the first plastic waste to oil project in Bangkok.
From the Bangkok project there is therefore 33% profit sharing and 100% of that is tokenized!
Here I will explain in a simple way how the tokenization of our SusNova tokens works. This e-mail also goes to people who are new, so I explain everything step by step.
By purchasing products or packages in the shop, we indirectly help finance these hopeful plastic to oil projects, because the net profit from our purchases goes to that.
For the amount we spend, we get the same amount of FLPs in return and we can redeem these FLPs into SusNova tokens.
Suppose the profit share is worth € 50,000, Corsair will buy our share of the oil for € 50,000 by buying tokens through the exchange. They can also buy tokens from the exchange for future oil production / profit sharing, if they wish.
After that, these tokens are “burned”. They will therefore not be returned to circulation. This will have a nice effect on the value and demand for the tokens.
Our SusNova token has recently increased in value a little bit from 2 ct to 2.25 ct and this increase will continue steadily.
My tip is, don’t sell your tokens too quickly! In addition to the increase in value, we also receive airdrops. The latter was 8%. Which bank gives you 8% interest several times a year? No one!
So, be sensible and don’t empty your “savings account” too quickly. Be even more sensible and fill it with even more tokens!
On the one hand, you can do this yourself, by occasionally buying a product in the Ecovo shop. Maybe you buy something for 100 euros every month. This way you help fill the pot for a new project every month and you immediately fill your own savings account with € 100 in tokens or more.
In addition, you can also share our beautiful project with many other people. This way you receive commissions, both in cash and in FLPs and therefore also in tokens.
Another fun fact, from mid-October, certain products can also be purchased with SusNova tokens and they want to expand this in the coming months / years with products and services from third parties.
I hope that I have explained this clearly and that you have been inspired by all the possibilities that Amplivo – Ecovo can give for a beautiful, clean earth and a financially more beautiful life for yourself and others.
I wish you a wonderful day!
I find it remarkabke that when Cloud Horizon chooses or changes the shell companies name (Sepco, Socium or Corsair), it is always a name that is already in use by more than one company and therefor making it almost impossible to find it through Google search… Why is that you think?…
Amplivo-Ecovo Team NL/BE
from Cloud Horizon Official Channel
For all of you who have ISF on the MW exchange at the time of the airdrop you would of noticed that you received the airdrop of 8% twice. This was due to an error in internal communication.
It has been decided for the benefit of simplicity that everyone keeps the “second” airdrop and that the individual amount will be calculated against the next airdrop that is expected to take place by end of January 2021.
A quote from the message above…
In normal English this means that something what at the moment is worthless will be worth less than nothing coming end of Januari 2021…
To be fair I have no idea anymore whats is going on with what used to be Cloudhorizon. I have family heavily invested in it, as well as another (to me) scam GTI NET.
On both scams I have done my research but the amount you provide here Johan is too much for me to comprehend.
I thought that this other scam GTI NET got complicated but this Cloudhorizon, now Amplivo – Ecovo, really goes one step further.
In a final attempt to find some additional information I have contacted Mr Metta Visessombat from Sepco by e-mail as I noticed they had undergone some serious management changes on their website and all info that linked to Cloudhorizon was now removed.
Hoping that they would be willing to shine a light on the situation with CH I told him that I was one of the investors from at the beginning of the cooperation between Sepco and CH.
Basically I asked for the current status to which he replied:
I answered with the following:
To which he answered:
This last reply is what told me everything I needed to know. If Amplivo – Ecovo was really invested with Sepco in the two machines that they claim they financed with the money, Sepco would be able to tell me.
I would be an investor in their project through Amplivo – Ecovo but this should not be a secret thing.
This last e-mail makes me speculate that there is no investment from Amplivo and that Sepco themselves have been pulled one over. This would coincide with them having a completely different management team now, with everyone that was also linked to Cloudhorizon at the time no longer involved.
However, in order to safe face they sort of state as per first e-mail i received that there was an investment and if Amplivo invests more money, Speco will provide the product.
That’s all I have. I’ll stick around once in a while and follow your updates Johan.
Interested if ever it will become really clear to all involved that this is one big scam….
With all due respect but your research is crappy at best…
If you really wanted to know more about Cloud Horizon and their “investment” in Sepco Industries you should have contacted CEO Jay Saloranta at Corsair, formerly known as Socium Development (see their YouTube channel). H
e could have told you, what you also could have read in my comment from Februari the 7th, that since December 2019 no more money was invested in the Polypetron 5 machine(s), because the machines didn’t work as expected.
This ofcourse is not very strange at all because Cloud Horizon never ever invested any money in their shell company Sepco Industries and Sepco Ind. never build a Polypetron 5 machine!
Well seeing as not everyone can dedicate hours on end to investigate into scams I did what was possible with the limited time available.
In all fairness I came to the same conclusion as you did by just confronting the people involved at Sepco directly.
If you have any people skills you can easily read between the lines in the answers I got and figure out that CH either invested a very limited amount or invested nothing at all. My apologies that I missed something similar in your story.
Furthermore, as I checked the website of Sepco ones more I noticed they removed even more info. Where the original team of people was replaced by a new ”management” after the split with CH, there is now no one to be found on the website.
Additionally, any trace of Mr Metta Visessombat has also been removed from the website. I guess if too many people keep poking around things get to hot under their feet.
I see this also as a good thing because it might show people still having faith in Sepco that something doesn’t add up.
With this last piece of information I would have also come to the conclusion that Sepco themselves is one big scam based on the fact that they now removed all info of people involved.
Anyway that’s it from my side so I’ll leave you with this. For the fact that I complemented you on the huge amount of work you did you do not show much appreciation Johan.
I was merely stating that staying up to date with all this BS was just too much work in my honest opinion and that this was the final thing I did to confirm that nothing has happend so far with Sepco or CH.
Coming to the same conclusion as you but via a different road to me is not such a bad thing. In the end don’t we all want the same thing?
See these kind of scams being scorched from the face of the earth.
But hey! Johan good luck with the important work you’re doing and I’ll be following from the side line hoping for that one piece of overwhelming evidence I can use to convince my Fam they are being scammed.
Sorry if I came over a bit harsh but I didn’t feel like pointing out everything to somebody who claims to have written to and received answers from dr. Metta, who is in fact an actor, and takes those letter(s) seriously…
Anyway I am in a better mood now because I see you checked out Sepco’s website again and discovered that they removed among other things all names of people involved….
FYI the founder of the concept, and up untill a couple of months ago the face and voice of Cloud Horizon and then Amplivo Ecovo, Staffan Liback has completely fall of the face of the earth…
Not unlike the runner he did when he was one of the top leaders of the OneCoin SCAM… Oddly enough Frank Ricketts did the same and funny enough they were both founders of … Exactly!
Also interesting to know is that Jay Saloranta is Staffan’s partner in crime in Finland with their real estate scams a couple of years ago, which is the reason that they both are fugitives and living in Thailand…
Cloud Horizon also asked at the beginning of 2020 their influencers, when they were holidaying in Thailand, to remove all online links to Sepco and the Polypetron5 because that is the only way the new business scam Amplivo stands a chance…
You can check Staffan Liback’s YouTube channel and find out all about it!
If you really want to know where that stands at this moment you should check out their global Amplivo corporate event* on November 8 with speakers Wayne Dobson (Chief Technical Officer), Jussi Saloranta (CEO Corsair Group) and Frank Ricketts (CEO Cloud Horizon)…
* AMPLIVO Global Corporate Event
The following week you can also find the “event” on YouTube, but because of the name change I don’t know which channel.
Good luck with convincing and consoling your family… Cheers!
Thank you for your informative answer. Maybe I wasn’t clear myself and the piece I wrote might have given the impression that I still fully trusted Sepco. Me e-mailing to them was more a quick and dirty check on what responses I would get.
Anyway moving on, I’ll see if I have some more time to look into the things you mentioned in your last answer. Maybe I might be able to scoop something together and have another talk with the fam.
As I said previously they are also involved in another Scam called GTI -Net, so to me the hope of convincing them is slim at best but hey you never know.
Additionally, just to add for info. In the very begininning of CH I did some real digging when also the company EltronX was still involved etc. Back then I was quite up to date with everything. Me and someone I know found a trail leading to registered address in Georgia.
Lucky for me I know someone from Georgia who obviously speaks the language and knows a thing or two about Georgian law.
This person managed to read through all the legal documents and track down EltronX and another company directly related to the same address where EltronX was also BTW registered twice under two different owners.
This address was just a normal house and not a business. That was a huge red flag but sadly my fam didn’t think it so.
That’s when I stopped digging only to recently find all the info here and reading up on it.
Thanks again for your reply and here’s hoping more tangible evidence to surface at some point, which can really convince people.
Although I believe OneCoin till this day is still scamming new people even after everything that happened… So what do I know.
#Scammasters and other interested readers…
Later today is Amplivo’s global corporate online meeting and I for one am curious what will be anounced…
I say this because no high (4 stars and up) star ranking influencers are among the speakers, just the ceo’s of Cloud Horizon, Amplivo and Ecovo…
The absence of for instance Peter Shaw (6 stars) and closer to home (well closer to home, he moved to Kroatië) John Breukels (4 stars) made me think and (and no not grow rich) but take a look at John’s YouTube account…
On his channel I noticed that the last month he has put most of his energy in a company called FINIKO… Finiko is a Russian investment group with establishments mostly in wasten Europe and countries ending in -stan…
I hope I am not jumping the gun by conluding that Finiko is also a dodgy company… Oz, have you heard of them or?
But more importantly John Breukels has been in the drivers sent since Staffan Liback started to play a game of hide and seek and yet still has to be found, but is currently more busy with the Finiko scam than he is with his current scam Cloud Horizon…
This leads me to the conclusies that his 4 stars position is not bringing in enough money…
So that’s why I am a little curious regarding today’s meeting…
Finiko Review: 1% a day CFR Ponzi points scheme
Yah, Finiko is a blatant Ponzi scheme.
As promised my summary of the online Amplivo Global Corporate Event held on the eigth of November 2020…
PETER SHAW / nothing new and very vague and incomplete for that matter… For instance he did not mention the “read by date” of the Ecovo packages…
This “read by date” was introduced by Frank Ricketts at the beginning of this year and means that the packages with (online)articles which are bought to be shared in order to interest new investors will expire after (I think) 9 months…
After that period you’ll have to pay a subscription fee for 3, 6, 9 or 12 months with discounts for the the longer subscription, that is if you want to keep being able to read/share the articles in your (already paid in full) Ecovo package…
If that isn’t a smart way to keep the wheels at the top of the PYRAMID-scheme greased I don’t know what is!
WAYNE DOBSON / He had a basicly semi-technical story, mostly about the Ecovo website with short references to the websites from Amplivo and Mountain Wolf by merely mentioning them…
The only interesting part of his presentation is that the legacy CCW-shop will move to Ecovo for streamlining (yeah right!) purposes meaning that ALL the legacy CCW-shop history that you might have will dissapear when the Ecovo-shop goes live…
His advice is to start taking screenshots or else all is lost…
JUSSI SALORANTA / In the first part of his presentation (15 minutes) he talks mainly about plastic waste, chemical recycling and oil production in general so very boring, BUT…!
…BUT then it get’s interesting or should I say COMICAL! because Jusse starts to talk about a Norwegian start up company (2014) and shows articles in which he whites out the company name…
This Norwegian start up company is very succesvolle with a billion dollar plus value, but according to Jusse Corsair produces more oil in a year… He continues by saying that and I quote from the solide he showed…
He then continues by saying that all companies in this line of business are being compared to this Norwegian start up company which is totaly unfair because Corsair is actually the better more efficiënt company…
Is formentioned bullshit enough to convince your family, because if not Frank Ricketts is next so then the fairytails of lala-land normaly start to take off lol…
Jusse is ending his presentation by introducing Frank Ricketts and in this introduction he mentions three important things…
1) Frank Ricketts going to retire in the naar future (AGAIN! hahah)…
2) Jusse Saloranta is going to take over the reigns of Cloud Horizon while staying on as ceo of Corsair Group…
3) Top leaders and influencers can soon become shareholders of Corsair Group making them feeling being part of doing good while also sharing in the profits…
These shares are not for sale but are being given to those people who are an active part of building and supporting the company…
In other words non-value stock is given away for free, not unlike the free loyalty points (flp’s) which can be changed into the worthless ISF- tokens…
FRANK RICKETTS / Frank as always starts of by thanking everybody and then slips up by saying he came out of retirement in 2018, but meant ofcourse to say came that he came out of HIDING! for this project…
Frank also emphasizes that when the Ecovo-shop goes live everything online or otherwise connected to the CCW-shop will dissapear forever…
So making screenshots and prints of sale etcetera for personal use is advised… A new history will start when the Ecovo-shop goes live…
Erasing history in order to create a new reality might that be the drop that floods the bucket to convince your family or…
Mountain Wolf is also thrown in the mix because of the ISF-token being listed at the MW-exchange… Frank says that something big and exciting is going to happen in the next ten days to 2 weeks because they have been upgrading and upgrading and upgrading the platform as well as updating their software because of the coming listing on COIN MARKET CAP…
Of course trading of the ISF-token will not be visible in the coming months but surely at the end of 2021 you can see things are moving…
Then he starts the blab about the holiday/travel packages and that he again has been able to get an extension on the the valididation due to covid_19… WHOOPTIE-FUCKIN-DOO!
The end… For now at least!
Following the Amplivo global online event the Dutch 4 star John Jagediël Breukels uploaded a video to his YouTube channel called “Corsair; Moving forward Together”…
This whole post on YouTube has in my humble opinion two purposes: 1) discourage people to sell their Susnova/ISF-tokens and 2) instructing influencers to be more active by sharing (with sharing he means SELLING) Ecovo packages…
Next to the updates for everyone who missed the event, John talks about questions that has reached him concerning the ISF-token and explicitly the selling of those ISF-tokens…
John asks the following question to the viewers; WHY DID YOU START THIS BUSINESS ? …in order to circle back to it later…
But first and I (more or less) QUOTE because it’s translated spoken word (speach) and slides he shows…
This is where he leaves it for now and goes to the updates from the online event…
John then mentions Mountain Wolf and again I (more or less) QUOTE because it’s translated spoken word (speach) and slides he shows…
After updates about Cloud Horizon and Corsair and going on and on about plastic(waste) past/present/future John circles back to why NOT TO SELL your ISF-tokens, but better put your energy in BUILDING THE PYRAMID-scheme!
Again I (more or less) QUOTE because it’s translated spoken word (speach) and slides he shows…
(circling back and yes still quoting)…
After this cry for help John continues with ranking and stars bullshit and how lucrative the business they are in is, but we know better or not lol…
Then Peter Shaw joins the party and tries to dazzle the audience with big numbers and great pay-outs to come for those who are serious… John concurs, says goodbye and so ending the course “How to be a part in building a PYRAMID-scheme!”
*Does this mean that IT IS NOW NOT POSSIBLE TO SELL YOUR SUSNOVA/ISF-TOKENS?!
Sell to who?
In a Ponzi points scheme you need suckers to offload onto. They wouldn’t be begging for recruitment if there were suckers signing up.
Quote… “Sell to who?”
Well I figured Cloud Horizon/Corsair would be, RELUCTANTLY obviously mind you, buying the tokens… (FYI I am thinking that most of the ISF-token holders are thinking this)…
Why do I think that? you ask me…
Well because see my post on December 20th 2019 (a translated Telegram message from the Dutch leadership) which states that Sepco (=CH) will buy ORTP’s…
Also if I remember correctly I’ve read in one of the comments that a pyramid-scheme collapses if a lot of people want to liquidate their tokens at the same time…
I take from that that the pyramid-company is doing the pay-outs…
I probably misunderstood or?…
@Oz and PassingBy…
Just out of curiousity… What kind of token is the Susnova/ISF-token anyway?… Is it an equity, security, swap, utility or S…! token?
They do that when there’s new investment rolling in to pay withdrawals.
If that was still the case there wouldn’t be all this hoop-jumping.
Susnova/ISF appear to be shit tokens. No value outside of whatever scam they’re attached to.
Tomorrow afternoon, sunday the 15th of November, again a “global” (uhmmm… online lol) Zm meeting with as topic and I quote…
Translate that into day to day English and it says… “we’re gonna buttfuck you some more”.
So my advice is keep your lube within reach lol!
Thanks once again for all the info you provided. It was only now that I checked in again to see if there was anything new. Was very busy these days.
So yeah I used the information you gave above but my family is a hopeless case. Even after I linked to this thread directly so they could read for themselves what information is available by people doing the research into these companies… Well I don’t want to call them companies… anyway moving on…
As far as I have always understood is, that the ”master plan” of selling off the tokens was supposed to go as follows:
1) Companies that wanted to buy the oil (back then from Sepco, now from whatever scam is involved these days) had to first invest in the tokens (coins, whatever) and then use that to pay for the oil. That way there would be a demand for tokens and as the oil production would only increase but the amount of available tokens would stay the same, the price of the token would go up.
2) I believe option 1 as described above is still an idea, but what I understand from my fam is that the token should go public also, so that any investor can buy the tokens. To me this sounds so much like the BS they are selling over at GTI-NET. Same same but different…
I am not sure if what I am saying still holds any meaning but yeah… As you know more about all of this @Johan maybe you will debunk this straight away but that’s what I am being told as to how the value of the Tokens has to go up. Obviously as they have no oil to sell there will be no companies buying the tokens… I guess that’s where secret door number 3 opens up whereby they use new investments to pay for current members who want to cash out.
Anyway interesting stuff ones again. I myself am considering to just leave it at this. My fam can figure it out for themselves hopefully when in 1 or 2 years from now, after 5 more name changes and 15 new storefronts they still get the same info and no way to cash out all that sweet sweet money.
I kind a like our correspondence here so I am sorry to read that you are considering throwing the towel so to say…
For now just a short but oh so sweet message…
While looking at the homepage of Corsair’s website I noticed that they mention on their timeline that two machines have been fully operational since June 2020…
However you can clearly see in the two also on the homepage posted video’s, dated the 14th and 20th of September this year, that the only thing that is operational is the mouth of Jay/Jusse Saloranta producing next level bullshit… The so called plastic waste to oil units are sure as hell not!
So #family of Scammasters, not only is this PROOF of being a (PYRAMID) SCAM but it also shows that they are CARELESS & STUPID!
WHAT’S IN IT FOR ME?
The CEO of Corsair, mr. Jay/Jussi Saloranta, says during the online global call from Amplivo/Ecovo/Cloud Horizon/Corsair Group on the 8th of November 2020 and I quote…
FYI… I’m still quoting the CEO of Corsair Group, mr Jussi Saloranta…
FYI… those readers who are at this moment not experiencing stomach cramps from laughter; you will most certainly do so after during/after reading the next quotation LOL!
“That is the BIG picture” Jay/Jussi Saloranta says…
I CALL THAT BIG PICTURE…
like all other CONS and SCHEME’S they are involved in or with: Cloud Horizon, Sepco Industries, Socium Development, Amplivo, Ecovo & Corsair Group, as well as all of their SHIT- TOKENS like Orientum, Orientum Plus & ISF-SusNova…
What’s in it for me I asked at the start… Well I hope the Corsair’s Group Q3-report so I can COMPARE the numbers from a REAL COMPANY (FYI QUANTAFUEL) with a PYRAMID-SCHEME-COMPANY (FYI CORSAIR GROUP)!
Thanks for reading and I hope it was time well spent because it’s time you don’t get back.. much like money invested in Ecovo packages from the Corsair Group LOL!
Oz you wrote and I quote…
The following two messages from Frank Ricketts on the 21st of November show just how much hoop-jumping they are doing and I quote…
On November 22 Jay/Jussi Saloranta adds to Frank Ricketts remarks via a picture-message and I quote…
(wow what terrible use of the English language)
Can it get any better than this??! Hahahah LOL!
Pins and what not is very reminiscent of OneCoin.
And you’re going to do your head in following Cloud Horizon this closely :D.
Maybe you’re right and I should let go of Cloud Horizon… so Corsair Group is where my focus lies from now on 😉
Well I won’t be fully gone but I have thrown in the towel with my fam.
We have had multiple discussions over this Cloudhorizon (I keep calling it as such because I don’t care for all the name changes) and they are still no where near how I feel about it.
I will still be reading here and I had a good laugh at what you posted above. Although my knowledge in the matter is getting slim by this point. So I don’t have much to add in new information.
Btw @Johan, as this thread is ongoing for a while now and I don’t remember all that was discussed here, but weren’t you also into all this research because someone you know is in this scam? How did that turn out?
Looking forward to the next update :P. Here’s to hoping it will be one about how it all comes crashing down!!! Wouldn’t that be a sight for sore eyes.
@Scammasters… today no update but more or less an answer to your question earlier and I quote…
Have you ever heard of, or maybe even read, the book “Think & Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill”? …Well combine that book with the one big flaw (see bible story Garden of Eden) God gave men and you have the long and the short of it…
In other words my ex-wife (scam-artist) used her power of seduction to get my help persuading my father to invest in Cloud Horizon’s pyramid-scheme…
FYI that didn’t happen because the flesh might be weak but I’m not stupid and neither is my dad!
And that’s all she wrote…
DUBIOUS is the name of the Corsair game!
Tomorrow afternoon December 6 at 13.30 hours cet another global corporate Amplivo event will take place… As it seems Frank Ricketts has indeed retired as Cloud Horizon’s ceo but returns tot “the battlefield” as ceo of Amplivo… Staying on merely in an advisery role apparently comes with a title lol…
Cloud Horizon will become or already is part Corsair Group International Ltd… This made me take a look at the Corsair Group’s website and the funny (but not haha-funny) thing is that on the website none of the companies involved, be it as part of the “Corsair Group” or as partner in the projects, are named…
When you visit the “About Us” page on their corsairnow website it mentions…
(quote)… “Corsair Group is an International Consortium of Companies” blablabla followed by pictures and some job desriptions of it’s management but nowhere is mentioned which companies make up the Corsair Group!
After that I visited the Projects pages and surprise surprise also there no mentioning of the names of the companies/parties involved…
It doesn’t matter if you check the Slovanian or the Belgium page, because they are more or less copies of eachother…
As you can conclude from my comment #143 I find the name-choosing of the companies coming out of the Cloud Horizon hat dubious… Corsair Group is as it seems no different… Just Google Corsair Group or Corsair Group International (ltd) and you see what I mean with dubious!
Without a doubt to be continued…
I found him…
Where is Staffan Liback I asked at the end of September and Oz you answered correctly and I quote…
“Liback did the same thing in OneCoin. Was handed the Steinkeller’s downline then did a quiet runner.”
Staffan Liback ran to, and by doing so saying goodbye to his life as a Ponzi Pyramid SCAM artist (NOT!) , ran to…
He did this together with former Cloud Horizon’s 6-stars TOP-SCAMMER Abdul Abdulkarim…
Some people never change and there is no limit to their greed!
Liback’s bungled two Ponzi downlines now then. Wonder if he’ll stuff up at OmegaPro too.
PROOF of SCAM
All the proof that you (and everybody else for that matter) need that Cloud Horizon and everything that came out of the Cloud Horizon pipeline is a scam is right in front of us and has been for some time… We just didn’t bother to look into it…
Oz published this article “Cloud Horizon Review: SiteTalk and Orientum scams combined” on the 11th of April in 2019 and at the end of the article, under related posts, he refers to an article he wrote; “Orientum Review: ORT and ORTP Ponzi points OneCoin clone” which he published on October the 4th in 2018…
At the beginning of this article Oz shows 3 screenshots of OneCoin YouTube video’s…
The first screenshot is with Peter Shaw: youtu.be/_22A5daiop0 an Amplivo top-leader and 6 star influencer…
The third screenshot is with Staffan Liback: youtu.be/VcKMKWjnxD4 founder of Cloud Horizon’s concept!
#Scammasters… here is your proof! Or are you going to tell me next that your family believes that OneCoin is legit lol
Merry Christmas! CHEERS!
I wish you all the best for the coming year and hope you will experience 2021 in good health!
P.S. the message kept coming back as spam or something when Insend it to contact header homepage so therefore here lol.
Thanks for the well wishes! I can see spammers capitalizing on the new year so perhaps that’s why it got triggered 😀
THE BS & HS CONTINUES! …just like a self sustaining closed circle farm! Correct or not Oz?!
Corsair Group started the new year with a global announcement & update call on the third of Januari… This call was followed up with a Telegram message on the fifth of Januari from Mr. John Jagediël Breukels, the Dutch leader of the Inner Circle / Global Leadership Group…
This translated message is and I quote…
*TO GET means in this instance that you will get these shares in this billion dollar company FOR FREE!
FYI let’s not forget that Mr. John Breukels is talking about Corsair and not about QUANTAFUEL!)
You cannot make this shit up hahahah… Really how mindblowing funny is this lol!
CHEERIO & a happy and healthy 2021!
I told you you were going to do your head in following all of this :D.
You can still see similar bullshit spinning going on, as reported by those who follow OneCoin in the comments.
R.I.P. Cloud Horizon & Frank Ricketts!
It finally happened the ‘old dog’ went into retirement and so did his last pyramid scheme Cloud Horizon… Well in name only, because the pyramid scheme Amplivo parasitizes further under the umbrella of Corsair Group…
This change is celebrated with two things and I quote both of them…
1) “How often does the opportunity in your life pass to get SHARES in a BILLION COMPANY?How often does the opportunity in your life pass by to get SHARES in a BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY?”
2) “Quick Start Action
All actual influencers will receive a new quick start period starting on Saturday, January 9, 2021 and ending on Friday, February 5, 2021 at 11:59 p.m. CET.
All influencers who reach level 2, 3 or 4 in the above period will receive the next level.
All new Influencers who start in the period January 9 – February 5, participate in this promotion for the period of their own 28-day fast start.”
Quote one means that you are recieving free shares in a BILLION PILES OF SHIT COMPANY!
Quote two means that during this promotion (an extended promotion of an extended promotion of an extended promotion… …of a promotion begin 2019)) you are throwing your money down the toilet but you will recieve in return Free Loyalty Points which are even more worthless than digital paper they are printed on!
…and in the meantime the NEWS page of Corsair Group hasn’t been updated since October last year…
hi everyone and thank you for sharing all this information about this scam. It was all very helpful to me, I also have someone in my family to ‘save’.
As Johan said in #168 Corsair doesn’t name his partners. However, if I try to access sociumdevelopment.com I am redirected to CORSAIR. SOCIUM HOLDING (which has the same logo as Socium Development) is co-owned by three companies: CLOUD HORIZON, SEPCO and DD ENTERPRISES.
So I wonder: is Ricketts still involved in the game?
Confusion created through smoke and mirrors!
In addition to comment #168 you should read comments #135 till #142 which will timeline the name change from Socium Development to Corsair Group…
The reason or result or both of this name change where the irreconcilable differences between Frank Ricketts and Jusse Saloranta on one side and the founder of the “Socium Development concept” Staffan Liback on the other side, which lead to the parting of ways and hence the name change…
Isn’t it maybe time to update the Cloud Horizon scheme (2 years old now) to the Corsair Group scheme giving it the behindmlm.com reprimand that it deserves and so leaving a proper warning to all concerned, now and in the future…
Because as I see it these formentioned scammers are now profiting from the name confusion created by their smoke and mirrors!
With Cloud Horizon I had an MLM company to review.
Does Corsair Group exist as an MLM company or is it just smoke and mirrors stringing along those who’ve already invested in Cloud Horizon?
Frank Ricketts R.I.P. so officially he is no longer involved… see comments #153 #162 and #168
@Oz Well you are the expert but I think that the MLM company still operates and as far as I can determine they are really pimping their products Amplivo (Ecovo) and MountainWolf both under the umbrella of Corsair Group as well as their so called plastic waste to fuel projects in Thailand Slovenia Belgium and Ireland which are linked to their ISF-shit-token now called Susnova…
Anyway Oz it’s your perogative!
I got a headache just reading that. The MLM crypto niche truly is a toilet bowl.
On the other hand Staffan Liback has left the building, and so has Frank Ricketts and also all of the 5 stars and above influencers… Left holding the bag is their fall guy Jay/Jusse Saloranta…
Their promises of free stock in a billion dollar company LOL and their again extended promotions promising wealth in 5 years if they invest their (worthless) Euro savings in their Susnova Token, is maybe a sign (who knows) that it is GAME OVER SOON!
…and now it’s time for me to go to sleep, I write at six in the morning!
Sounds a bit like the OneCoin situation then. All the money stolen and just a skeleton left.
Thankyou very much @Johan.
“Isn’t it maybe time to update the Cloud Horizon scheme (2 years old now) to the Corsair Group scheme giving it the behindmlm.com reprimand that it deserves and so leaving a proper warning to all concerned, now and in the future…
Because as I see it these formentioned scammers are now profiting from the name confusion created by their smoke and mirrors!”
I completely agree! It is really very complicated to follow the whole thing from the beginning, too many things have changed…
In comment #179 you Oz ask the following question, and I quote;
To tell you the truth I honestly don’t know how to answer that question because I don’t understand it…
What I do understand is that you in comments #49 #53 and #56 explained that Amplivo and Ecovo are just marketing tools for Cloud Horizon’s Ponzi-/pyramid scheme and that they are not standalone MLM opportunities in and of themselves…
I also understand that Cloud Horizon as a company became part of Corsair Group, which is in my humble opinion a “fancy” name change…
I would also like to refer to:
1) their global call on November 8, 2020, and/or also see my comment #153 with a summary of that zoom call…
2) the timestamps* in their zoom call dated November 12, 2020;
*timestamps November 12, 2021 minutes 1:05 – 9:35 and 14:50 – 23:35 and/or also see my comment #154 with a summary of that zoom call…
Because in those two calls (see timestamps point 2) the MLM part of Corsair Group is explained if I understand correctly…
Jumping back to the present; The Corsair Group’s “Inner Circle / Global Leadership Group” distributed on January 23, 2021 via Telegram the following message to their influencers (and in English I might add) so I quote;
Oz leaving you with the end of the quote I hope that I helped you a little bit in determiting if Corsair Group is a MLM company or not…
That video details Corsair Group’s comp plan, which is enough for me to go on. Thanks.
What I was asking is if Corsair Group was more than just a name change. If they’re promoting it with a comp plan then effectively Cloud Horizon == Corsair Group now.
Corsair Group’s website is utterly useless for due-diligence with respect to their hidden MLM opportunity.
Frank Ricketts cashed out and we have his team of scammers running the show now. I’ve added Corsair Group to the review list.
They sent this video today. They say they have signed an agreement with the Sa Kaeo government in Thailand for the management of a landfill. The first of many agreements to come…
Here in Italy it is all coordinated by Andrea Cerio. You can find on YouTube his ‘training’ and ‘personal growth’ courses for influencers.
They say they have their headquarters in Thailand and an European branch in Amsterdam. The Amsterdam address appears to be a virtual office:
Olympisch stadion 24-28. 1076 de. Amsterdam
You say in your comment #188 and I quote “The Amsterdam address appears to be a virtual office”… Therefore my (rhetorical) question to you is “did you visit it?”
Lol …I can tell you, as a Dutchie who lives in that neighborhood that you are half right…
I checked it out a while ago and they do or they did rent a small office space in that building, but it functions solely as a window dressed post address and is in no way suitable as office space for a billion dollar company…
Obviously I didn’t! 😉 Google however says that at the same address there is the ‘Alliance Virtual Office’:
For this reason I assumed that there was no physical office at all. In any case, certainly nothing appropriate for a billion dollar company! 🙂
Today I tried twice to write another post but it was never published. Why can’t it get through the moderation phase? Am I doing something wrong?
Links in comments trigger spam filter. Anything triggered means I have to manually approve.
Ok, thankyou @Oz
I’ll try again without links.
I wanted to say that today the Amplivo influencers received a video showing Jussi Veikko Salotanta making an agreement with the government of Wang Nam Yen, of the Sa Kaeo district in Thailand, for the management of a waste processing facility. The first government agreement of many to come they say…
You can search on YouTube: Corsair Group Expands to Sa Kaeo, Thailand
Here in Italy everything is managed by the ‘top influencer’ Andrea Cerio, who says he has been part of the project since the very beginning, two years ago.
There is a YouTube channel where every week he holds ‘training’ and ‘personal growth’ courses for his influencers. You can find it by searching for ‘Formazione Amplivo’, there is also some video in English…
#Pau… Instead of using just Google add Maps to it and then on Google Maps you can actually see the companies (a gym for example lol) located at that address… Obviously they have a small office space located somewhere anonymously inside the building…
And you are correct because that slippery sob Andrea Cerio is indeed one of the original top dog scammers in Italy and I wouldn’t be surprised if he was also involved in the earlier OneCoin and OneLife scams…
Regarding the waist landfill expansion that you mention I have something funny (not hahah funny but…) to add… Corsair Group has added this YouTube video you mention to their news page on their corsairnow website… Why do I find this funny, well for the following reasons… On the 14th of januari I finished my comment #176 with and I quote…
“…and in the meantime the NEWS page of Corsair Group hasn’t been updated since October last year…”
On top of that they also added more recently written back dated news items to their news website page… This means that they are actually reading the comments here on behindmlm.com hahah lol…
I know now for sure that they are not only reading the comments but they are stressen because of them… Stressed I say because they have removed a recently posted video from their YouTube channel which I was actually going to use today… And now because of the removal of that YouTube video I cannot quote from it anymore so everybody reading this comment just has to take my word for it and in my own words for that matter, because from memory (but I’ve seen it several times out of disbelieve) and it was in Dutch…
The formentioned YouTube video is from a zoom call and one of the guests asks why invest in Corsair when there are probably many other companies fishing in the same pond… The answer is hilarious but however graciously accepted as wonderful which shows that the question is scripted… The answer given was that yes there are physically other companies in the same field but they all made the mistake to process their plastic waste on a different location than where the plastic waste is collected, meaning that they will cause dismay with the residents because trucks are coming and going with (plastic) waste… Corsair on the other has very cleverly made agreements with all the countries (omg lol) to proces their plastic waste there where it is collected… So no competion at all John Jagediël Breukels, Hollands top scammer, says because all plastic waste business will go to Corsair… So now is the time to invest, because it is like you invested in Apple when they were still working from their garage and look it is now a multi billion company… Just like Corsair will be in 3 to 5 years LMAO!
The reason that they have removed this zoom call video is that this expansion contradicts this above mentioned statement… This landfill is located some 350 kilometers from Bangkok, which means that they are going to need trucks to bring the plastic from the landfill to their operation in Bangkok, because they sure as hell don’t have any pyrolysis processing machines lying around to simply put to use over there lol!
@Oz… I had to look very hard but in the end I found a more or less recent Amplivo business presentation in English on YouTube…
The duration is 43:33 minutes but you can skip minutes 5:20 till 14:00 (general plastic waste/polution information)… The next 12 minutes are more or less how they see and present their company in the great scheme of it all and then followed by 17 minutes of explaining their compensation plan…
In fact, I confirm that on January 22nd I was showing my family that the news section of Corsair website hasn’t been updated since October 2020 while now there are news dated January 15th and 20th!
Aside from that, I understand that all of this is an obvious Ponzi scheme but I still can’t quite figure out what the point is with their plants.
Are the Bangkok plants real or are they a hoax to make you believe they started the project?
Are the Thais politicians who sign agreements in the last video real or are they actors?
I enphasize that even if the plants they show in their videos were real, they would be a ‘joke’, something closer to a mechanical workshop than to a billion dollar industry.
The company shares they sell starting at €10.000 end up in a ‘black hole’ or what?
What’s you idea?
The plants are likely real, it’s just they have nothing to do with returns paid out.
And signing bullshit contracts with officials is nothing new in the SE Asian Ponzi scene. They stage events to get it on video for marketing.
@Pau You ask the following question in comment #195 and I quote…
I agree with Oz’s answer that, but I wouldn’t call it plants, the machinery shown is realish, but just for show and I am 100% sure of that!
…So will everybody else after watching this 49 seconds lasting promo of Quantafuel – GreenLab Business Park / youtu.be/Xsi0wGXXRaU
Now that is what I call a fully operational plant that not only produces advanced biofuels, but also supplies power for other plants located in that GreenLab Park…
@Oz… You say in comment #196 and I quote…
That the plants have nothing to do with pay-outs of returns you are saying (and Oz please correct me if I’m interpreting you wrong) that these so called plants are only being used as a front, or a recruitment tool if you will, by Amplivo to persuade people into buying Ecovo packages in order to keep paying the initial Cloud Horizon investers…
This “Ponzi method” will avoid the original Cloud Horizon pyramid scheme from collapsing…
The production of advanced biofuels and the SusNova token linked to the selling of said biofuel is HORSESHIT! I will back this up with the larger part of Mazarine Hulskamp’s comment #142 and I quote…
What is Mazarine actually saying here… For one she says that Cloud Horizon is assured a 33% share in the profits as a return on investment for the first plastic to oil project in Bangkok…
This project, the Polypetron_5, hopelesly failed and was actually a project on paper only… So now they are going to drum up costs for this project that never was in order to justify a regular payment to Frank Ricketts… A
nd they now have come up with a clever way of diverting money* away from Corsair because Cloud Horizon is now a part of Corsair Group and Frank Ricketts left the building…
*you can leave the diverting of money in the capable hands of Frank Ricketts, as he is known for laundering investment funds on a much larger scale when he was involved in the OneCoin scams…
Further more Mazarine is all but demanding that everybody looks for investors and also invest themselves on a monthly base in order to collect as many free loyalty points (flp’s) as possible…
With these flp’s SusNova tokens can be bought, but under no circumstance should these SusNova tokens be sold (and certainly not on a large scale), because that would ensure the collapsing of the pyramid scheme…
On the 18th of June 2020 the CEO of Socium Development Jusse Saloranta said the following and I quote…
In addition to that I refer to the comments #154 till #158 which furthermore explain the unsalability of the ISF/SusNova token…
Because of the above mentioned it is safe to say that there is now, or whenever for that matter, NO MONEY NONE WHATSOEVER to be paid out to whoever is trying, to cash in SusNova tokens…
@Pau… In comment #195 you write and I quote…
Where did you find this information and/or who told you that because refering to my comment #153 Jusse Saloranta says and I quote…
I am just wondering, no biggy…
CHEERIO and have a nice weekend!
Yep. Has been since day one.
Cloud Horizon, Corsair Group, whatever they call themselves tomorrow – this is a Ponzi scheme with one goal: steal people’s money.
Today I finally remembered to share this utter ridiculous passage in a message frequently posted in the Amplivo-Ecovo Team NL/BE Telegram group and used by top-leaders to persuade their influencers, who then in their turn try to persuade “new blood” to join the upcomming zoom meeting and I quote…
My reasons for sharing this are on one hand to emphasize the gullableness of those who believe this bull- and horseshit… and on the other hand we all need a good laugh every now and then, or not lol.
Oh I almost forgot… yesterday another Top Gun Academy with Special Guest Mr Jussi Saloranta – CEO Corsair Group zoom meeting took place and I for one cannot wait to see it!
My sister, who is an influencer, told me a few months ago. A friend of her on her advise invested € 15,000 in it.
Then there’s a video in the Italian YouTube channel of Amplivo of 8 July 2020 where everything is explained.
Obviously it’s in Italian (there will probably be a video with the same content in English somewhere) but I try to summarize the important points:
This is a parallel business to that of the sale of packages, to be offered especially to those investors who are not familiar with the tokens world.
Socium (in July it wasn’t yet called Corsair) sells 49% of the company’s shares in 4 different phases:
– In the 1st phase Socium sells 15% of the shares until the refining of € 350.000
– In the 2nd phase Socium sells 12% of the shares until the refining of € 350.000
– In the 3rd phase Socium sells 12% of the shares until the refining of € 1.000.000
– In the 4th phase Socium sells 10% of the shares until the refining of € 1.000.000
Therefore, whoever enters from the 2nd phase onwards, with the same amount has a smaller quantity of shares.
The return on investment starting from 2022 is as follows:
– 1st phase, from 65 to 95% per year
– 2nd phase, from 20 to 30% per year
– 3rd phase, from 15 to 20% per year
– 4th phase….they don’t say! lol
In the video Andrea Cerio says that only for that week, until July 15, the minimum investment amount is 5000 €, after July 15th the minimum investment will be € 50,000!!!! (honestly I don’t know how things are now, I saw € 10.000 in another video but now I can’t find it).
In the video the say Socium (now Corsair) from the end of September 2020 will start sending monthly dividends to investors together with a memorandum of the oil produced, the oil sold, the costs etc.
They will be informed monthly on how things are going (I know that the person who invested €15.000 is receiving this information).
Influencers who refer investors earn 3% of the shares sold. To obtain this 3% they must have the investor fill out a questionnaire, have him sign the contract and send the contract and a copy of the payment made to their reference influencer (in this case Andrea Cerio).
On the other hand, what the influences must not do is present themselves as representatives of Socium (they are only signalers) and share the presentation and confidential documents with investors.
I hope my English is understandable enough 🙂
@Pau… Here in Amsterdam, like in Italy it is now three in the morning and I promised myself to not make it six anymore…
This on advice of Oz or else I will do myself in… so while restraining myself I say goodbye for now and will get back to you soon…
Half an hour later… Good intentions don’t always come out but something good did anyway lol so sooner than I expected I have an ansaer for you Pau…
@Oz… will you please make an Exception and allow the following link because it will answer the following question from Pau (comment #200) and I quote…
Well if you go to the Global Call 06-12-1 dated 8 dec 2020
youtu.be/_BCzevpHykQ TIMESTAMP 1:02:20 – 1:10:40 you will see and hear Jusse (Jay) Saloranta answer your question in his all but charming Finnish-English…
@Oz again… I’m willing to bet good money on this that wat Pau just revealed also news to you is, or isn’t it… and all the more reason to go FULL FRONTAL ON THEIR ASSES! with your up and coming CORSAIR PYRAMID SCHEME review!
And ofcourse it is now an hour later so four in the morning, but not six lol so who gives a f*ck hahahah it was for a worthy cause!
CHEERIO my friends!
Links fine so long as not spam.
Re Pau’s comment, how you gonna sell bullshit shares in a bullshit company that isn’t registered on any market?
I can see this review is going to give me a major headache.
This is a good question. I don’t know, they probably send fake contracts and invented reports to their investors but it all seems so crazy to me.
It would be also nice to know the questionnaire content they make investors fill out before sending them the contract…
I am FLABBERGASTED!! @Pau by what you wrote in comment #200…
This means that the Italian branche of the Cloud Horizon scheme also honored Charles Ponzi, like the three Steinkeller brothers and their ‘adopted brother’ Staffan Liback earlier did with the OneCoin scheme…
Actually it’s not even that surprising that the Italian branche is the Cloud Horizon top-scamming-department, because the number three biggest swindler of the Cloud Horizon scheme, six-stars top-scammer Abdul Abdulkarim, is also Italian made just like this Andrea Cerio, my God what a character, who shares in my book the 4th place topscammer position together with Peter Shaw, an English six stars influencer and former one of the foremost OneCoin topscammers)…
@Pau… If you would please post the link to the YouTube video that you mention in comment #200 because I cannot find it…
I am still very impressed and not in a good way by what you revealed… I also find it very conspicuous that Staffan Liback posted an introduction video of Andrea Cerio just before the by you mentioned Socium-shares-scam was rollen out by the Italian branche…
It looks, feels and smells like Staffan’s and Abdul’s last trick before they jumper shop so to speak…
FYI @Oz… Staffan Liback has very recently removed his OmegaPro-scam-promo-video from his YouTube channel so again, like so many times if not always, you were right in what you wrote in comment #170…
@Pau… I must for 100% agree with Oz’s comment 202 and I quote…
@Oz… I think you mean BUY instead of sell, or not? Temporary insanity is the only logic explanation for me as to the why these people bought into this total bull- and horseshit capital venture…
@Pau… Hot from the press!
Yesterday Holland’s four (or is it now five stars (an upgrade recieved for all the online lying) influencer and thus topscammer John Jagediël Breukels says in his “Fast Start training met Quick Start promo, Thailand incentive en Advanced Rising Star training”
timestamp 2 feb 2021 / minutes 31:35 – 32:25 and I quote…
My friends thank you all for your time and attention… CHEERIO
I meant sell as in Corsair selling bullshit shares.
Buy works too from the affiliate investor’s perspective.
In fact, we have a good history of school of scammers here in Italy 😉
Sure, the link is the following:
@Pau… Thanks for the link but because it doesn’t come with English subtitles it is of no use to me… I am however surprised that they haven’t taken it down yet…
It sounds incriminating to me, if it says what you wrote down in comment #200… I am not a lawyer but maybe it can be used as evidence or am I wrong @Oz?
@Pau… In comment #203 you write and I quote…
As far as I can tell from their corsairnow.com/leads
there is no such list of questions… This makes sense of course because these bastards don’t like paper trails which can come back to bite them in their asses…
These leads-pages with the link to the seven page “Introducer Program” which look very professional and are nicely done, but that is just for show to make it look legit for the benefit of the introducers… This in order to convince the introducers to bring leads to Corsair…
As expected there is absolutely no way whatsoever for the introducers to verify if their earned commissions and finders fee are correct, if paid out at all…
Hardened financial crooks, caliber Frank Ricketts, tend not to leave any proof of embezzlement… I’m guessing that Andrea Cerio also doesn’t live in Italy anymore like all other top scammers from the Corsair global leadership circle has fleed their fatherland…
The Dutch top scammer lives in Slovenia now because he used the rolodex from his two former companies (so he explains in one of his webinars) and used their good faith to trick his contacts to invest in the Cloud Horizon scheme…
You can guess the rest and I’ll bet that he’s because of that on a lot of people’s wanted list… and not to invite for dinner…
Jussi Saloranta also fled his mother land Finland and lives in Thailand, because he is wanted for multiple embezzlement scheme’s with his former partner in crime Staffan Liback…
@Pau read the following online article (it wil translate in to Italian I think, but if not it will translate for sure in to English)…
Untill next time… CHEERIO!
As far as I know he still lives in Italy. I’ll tell you more, we live in the same city and one of the things my sister (who knows him personally) told me when I exposed my doubts to her properly was: “It can’t be a scam, too many people would go looking for him!”
Could this be why they say that the first plant in Europe will arrive right in Slovenia?
I translated into Italian. Very interesting, although I admit that I still find it a bit difficult to follow the whole story, even though I had already read about the failure of the Nokia project. Sepco no longer exists, right?
Securities fraud is illegal the world over. Trouble is nobody except the US tends to actually do anything about MLM related securities fraud.
Outside the US all we seem to get is securities fraud warnings. Those typically lead to a collapse.
@Pau… you ask and I quote…
The answer to that question is that Sepco actually never really existed, other than on a piece of paper stuffed at the bottom of a desk drawer in some sleazy lawyers office somewhere on the Cayman Islands!
But Qz says its much better so I quote from this article…
So there you have it hahah… I’ll circle back to the rest of what you wrote in the coming days… It’s time to rest my eyes now at 04:30 in the morning…
@Oz… Am I so sadly mistaken in comment #210 that you refuse to green-light the quotes, or has it just slipped your mind…
Moving forward on 02/03/20202 the webinar AMPLIVO business opportunity English presentation 2021 was uploaded to YouTube…
It is safe to say that you can fast forward and begin to watch this presentation at 12:55 minutes…
And Oz, you are not wrong when you (also) think you have a deja vu watching this webinar… It sounds and looks basicly like a copy of the Orientum Plus token strategy with the addition of blockchain…
Because they are not dumb and dumber, they as a OneCoin spin off clone learned from the mistake that was ultimately OneCoin’s downfall, namely the lack of having blockchain to make their cryptocurrancy look legit instead of supplying proof of concept of being a pyramid scheme!
On the 5th of feb this message was forwarded from Amplivo Official Channel to the Dutch Telegram group and I quote…
These promotions are launched of course, because the current promotions are ending new promotions are thrown into the mix… So history does repeat itself because first Cloud Horizon (2019) then Socium Holding (2020) and now Corsair Group (2021) is doing it..
And each time with more or less the same promotions but launched under different names through the same company but with a different name…
Finishing I find it worth mentioning, if I understand correctly, that according to Dutch four stars influencer John Jagediël Breukels, the Amplivo business opportunity a LONGTERM PYRAMID- SCHEME is! (timestamp 29:53 – 30:07)…
CHEERIO from a cold and snowed under Holland lol
Huh? I didn’t see any direct quotes in #200.
You know you can add the green quote box by wrapping quoted text in (open triangle bracket)blockquote(close triangle bracket)quoted text(open triangle bracket)/blockquote(close triangle bracket) too right?
One day when I wake up and there’s no work to do I’ll get around to a comment FAQ. One day…
@Oz… Not comment #200 but #210 and I quote… and thanks for the explanation, so let’s try it out…
Pau; comment #208…
Me; comment #210…
Oz; ‘this article’…
I caught 208, missed 210. Done.
Today the 12th of February 2021 this message from Jussi Saloranta was posted on the Amplivo Telegram groups and I quote…
The absolute kicker of this hilarious post is that it comes with a picture of one worker, accompanied by two others, who is putting plastic in to ‘production units’ by using his hands LOL!
CHEERIO and have a nice weekend!
CORSAIR AMPLIFIES THEIR TRICKERY!
@pau… As an answer to your question comment #208 and I QUOTE…
I refer to my comment #168 and I QUOTE…
As you van read for yourself there is no mentioning of the names of the Belgium and Slovenium parties who supposedly co-signed these alleged Memorandums of Understanding…
I find this very strange to say at the least, because mentioning these partners by name helps building credibility and wouldn’t cause in any way harm to these deals… So now instead of legitimizing the projects, CORSAIR AMPLIFIES THEIR DISHONESTY!
CHEERIO! and enjoy your weekend!
Thanks Johan, I laughed a lot reading this!!
I find Saloranta’s way of communicating quite comical. Whit all his “Ladies and Gentlemen” and “It is with great pleasure that I inform you…” he seems to me the host of a music festival more than the CEO of a company.
The point is: this ‘businnes’ is more false than a five euro coin and it’s evident from every point you look at it. If those who work with them can’t see it, what can we do?
I wish I could do something concrete to stop this scam but my feeling is that we’ll have to wait for the collapse of the pyramid.
The thing that bothers me most is that whoever designed the game at that point will probably have already gone with the money.
Anyway, I hope it’ll happen as soon as possible.
Have a good weekend too and thanks for the perseverance!! Cheers!
OH NO JUSSI HAS AN EVIL TWIN!
One hour ago Amplivo posted their global event on YouTube
with contributions from Amplivo’s Top Leadership Inner Circle such as Jussi Saloranta, Peter Shaw, Wayne Dodson and all the way from Italy non other than MISTER ANDREA CERIO lol
Enjoy and @Pau I am curious to your reaction!
What can I say about our friend Cerio…hasn’t he convinced you too? ;P
For the rest, did I understand right? Are they launching a new token? What happened to the Susnova?
LADIES & GENTLEMEN JUSSE SALORANTA IS PROUD TO PRESENT (youtu.be/izrgjP2MRjs)…
FYI @Pau… I will give you my view on our ‘amico’ Andrea Cerio in a separate comment so he will get all the attention that he so craves and also deserves LOL!
The CEO of Corsair Group Jusse Saloranta says (youtu.be/bsotBsc3Spc / timestamp 29:20 – 31:17) and I QUOTE….
Yesterday on February 14th 2021 Jusse Saloranta says (timestamp 32:01 – 32:10) and I QUOTE…
I wrote in comment #143 on October 13th, 2020 and I QUOTE…
Indeed why is that, the use of again a widely used recognized term? Jusse or is it Jay (it’s all so confusing lol) gives the answer… (timestamp 33:08-33:13) and I QUOTE…
Another answer to that question can be found here… youtu.be/i9nXEXWlQ5Q
And with that great 80’s song I say CHEERIO my friend(s) and I’m very much looking forward to your reply!
Appendix comment #220…
On the 2nd, the 3rd and the 5th of February JJB uploaded an Amplivo fast start training and two business presentations…
In all three presentations JJB talked extensively about the ISF token in all its aspects… JJP especially emphasizes how the name ISF is the embodiment of what Amplivo stands for…
In the three formentioned presentations JJP also gives an economics lesson in which he bashes and trashes the value US dollar and the Euro in comparison to cryptocurrancy in general and the stability of the ISF token’s price…
Having heard this I can state that economy is clearly not his strong suit!
is a written QUOTE shown in all three presentations and it sounds, after having seen the Amplivo global call on February 14th, even more silly than it already did… But more importantly it is FALSE INFORMATION combined/linked with/to a sales promotion in how to recieve (extra) flp’s (free loyalty points) which can be changed for ISF tokens…
That devious misleading of their influencers is without a doubt the reason that JJP was a no show last Sunday…
JJP is and has been the global face for Amplivo since Staffan Liback left the building so to say, over more than half a year ago…
The absence of John Jagediël Breukels last Sunday is PROOF OF SCAMMING! and reaches a new low for this OneCoin clone!
Amplivo’s Leadership Inner Circle has brought their plotting and scheming to the next level with their ISF/CSR token ‘ball ball’ or ‘shell game’ so to speak…
To be continued…
You perfectly get the point Johan! In fact “This is the greatest businness…no, I mean, the greatest show of earth!!!” 😀
Very very interesting that our dear Jay is again asking the trust for yet another big change within their business.
Obviously he doesn’t explain the reasons why the Susnova is no longer good, his followers have to blindly accept the decision to change, just because he said so.
It would be nice to know how they “make sure to look after the interest of every person who has rightfully purchased and earned ISF tokens in the past.”
These days I am a little worried, no training / personal growth videos have been uploaded on the Italian Amplivo channel since January 28th. Just some short promotional videos and the ‘compensation plan’ presentation for new influencers (which is roughly a copy of the Cloud Horizon one).
Unfortunately I have no news to add.
Cheers to everybody!
Hi guys, my worries were quickly alleviated, a new and interesting video has arrived with a great special guest… yes, Mr. Jay has virtually come to Italy!
After the first two minutes of nice birthday wishes to the top Italian leader, the speech begins.
I can’t wait to hear your opinions about it 🙂
ANDREA CERIO HAS BOMBA NEWS! youtu.be/QlPS16NeBO0
Andrea Cerio starts of by introducing himself and how he got involved and I QUOTE (timestamp 22:01)…
* Andrea Cerio clearly has the same hobby as Staffan Liback youtu.be/zVOuRQPPdoo
because this moment Andrea is getting excited, maybe anxious even for what he is about to say… He therefore cannot hide any longer that typical behaviour you see with people after they have stuffed coke up their nose(s)…
So Andrea continues saying (timestamp 23:39) and I QUOTE…
@Pau… I started watching the zoom-call between Jay and his Italian pack of wolves and I will at your request get into it later…
For now I feel I just have to let you know that I have never seen so many people who are non-stop worying about how they think that they look on other people’s phone, tablet or monitor… youtu.be/SeNYlld4zv8
To be continued… CHEERIO!
@Pau… Mio amico the first 20 minutes (timestamp 25 minutes, but minus the first 5 minutes of congratulational butt kissing) are best put into words QUOTING Commander William T. Riker…
My thoughts at this moment can best be described by repeating two remarks made by Oz in the following comments and I QUOTE…
Ofcourse to be continued, because I have another hour of youtu.be/6mV8ew_stNs to watch hahahah LOL! CHEERIO!
Ahahahah! Welcome to Italy Johan!
I’m finishing up an updated Lyoness review today, which caused less than a headache than I’ve been dreading.
I’ve decided one headache review a week is enough.
I love the musical turn this conversation has taken!
Hope you want to get this headache soon too @Oz 😉
Thanks @Pau for the compliment and I am pleased that you are enjoying my musical intermezzo’s, because I give the songs that I choose as well as the position in the comments quite a bit of consideration (for example Jekyll & Hyde describing the charming stronzo)…
And you @Oz, are you also enjoying the music? or…?
Well it’s time for me to go to youtu.be/PSoOFn3wQV4 so untill we meet again… CHEERIO!
You are in luck Oz because Corsair is making it very easy for you to burn them to the ground…
This link will get you to a 45 minute business presentation by Andrea Cerio of all people, but beggers can’t be choosers lol uploaded 2 days ago…
FYI Oz… and you can redact it out if you will, or leave it in as a FUCK YOU! It’s your call! But why do their work for them, right?!
How funny is it that around minute 5 Andrea says SUSNOVA and does not correct it… These little things creep me out and are always proof of concept of a scam, because of the carelessness or sloppiness!
I was thinking exactly the same thing!
Please don’t let them continue cheating undisturbed. We need an updated review…
Thanks. Got the Lyoness review done last week. Looking to get Corsair done this week.
The comp plan looks straight forward. I think the headache part is going to be piecing the transition from Cloud Horizon to Corsair Group. I’m not familiar with any of the names.
Then I’ve got a bunch of more recent opp reviews y’all been sending in to get through (20-30). Busy days!
@Pau… This is a small add on to my comment #231
In comment #232 you write QUOTING ME…
At first I thought it was a slip of the tongue, but how wrong was I… Timestamp 37:58 – 38:05 Andrea says and I QUOTE…
(also shown as an image for over ten seconds on his screen with a big Susnova logo at the bottom)…
UNBELIEVABLE! youtu.be/sfCLt0kTd5E CHEERIO!
Yes, ‘unbelievable’ is the right word.
The last video you saw @Johan is the simple English translation of the first Italian version published on February 9th, when no one had ever talked about changing token yet.
Andrea was probably just too lazy to edit or add a few pages to his Power Point presentation. After all it’s just a small detail! LOL
@Pau and all other interested parties… After numerous requests and because it was time, Oz wrote an updated Cloud Horizon review called…
Corsair Group Review: Pillaging what’s left of Cloud Horizon
…so I am looking forward to meeting (all of) you there in the comment section!
What’s left of this shit?