New Zealand Commerce Commission investigating WMI
To say the last few months have incredibly turbulent for Wealth Masters International would be somewhat of an understatement.
As the company barrels towards its upcoming Muai m2 conference in early December, wave after wave of troubles have crashed and broken on the WMI’s door step.
Back in July, Deanna Latson quit WMI throwing the company’s already delayed nutritional division, WMI Pure into chaos.
Then, just last month an explosive email exchange between former COO Mary Dee and WMI co-founder Karl Bessey revealed some troubled inner workings of the company.
This month has fared no better for Wealth Masters with longtime Vice President of Marketing, Michael Hamburger fleeing WMI for Brent Payne’s Avant, and the announcement that the SEC in the US had launched an investigation into Wealth Masters of their own for possible ‘securities violations‘.
With November not even half over, on top of all this now comes the breaking news that Wealth Masters International is now also under investigation by New Zealand’s Commerce Commission.
In a letter sent out to a New Zealand based WMI member, the Commerce Commission reveal they are investigating Wealth Masters under suspicion that the company has breached New Zealand’s ‘Fair Trading Act’ by running a ‘pyramid scheme’.
The Commission state that the investigation has come about because the Commission ‘received a complaint in respect to Wealth Masters International (WMI) and its activities in New Zealand’.
The Commission goes on to state that this complaint has originated from either ‘the public, competitors and/or through its own market surveillance‘, however they do not explicitly specify which is the case.
Possibly hinting at the outcome of the investigation, the Commission specifically notes the outcome of the Norwegian Gaming Board’s investigation into Wealth Masters, which took place earlier this year.
This investigation ultimately concluded that Wealth Masters International was a pyramid scheme and resulted in the effective cease of operations and banning of Wealth Masters International in Norway.
In writing to the WMI member, the Commission asks for the following information to be provided;
- Is there a joining fee and if so what is it? What does it include?
- Please advise what products you have purchased and details of what is included. Please also advise the costs.
- Please advise what products are able to be sold by you and the costs. What is available to purchasers for their money?
- How do you achieve your earnings through WMI?
- How much of your income is generated through product sales and how much by recruiting new members?
- How many products have you sold and how many members have you recruited?
- Were any promises made in respect to potential income before you joined? If yes, what were they?
- Are you currently still operating and what is your general experience with the WMI operation including training and support?
The letter is dated the 20th of October and requests that the above information be provided to the Commerce Commission by November 7th, four days ago.
Perhaps the most worrying question for Wealth Masters International and its members out of the above list is request number 5;
How much of your income is generated through product sales and how much by recruiting new members?
Having already acknowledged the Norwegian Gaming Board’s investigation, it’s worth noting that in the Gaming Board’s assessment of Wealth Masters, they concluded that
revenues in WMI primarily come from the recruitment of members, not the sale of products.
You should not work for the money, but let the money work for you. This is mentioned together with the advice to not to be careful, but invest a lot immediately, to gain success quick. If you are careful and patient you will fail.
The concept of letting the money work for you instead of you working for the money is considered by Lotteritilsynet to be enrolling a lot of people who again enroll a lot of people, which makes automatic earnings possible without any personal effort.
WMI is a business model similar to a pyramid scheme where a payment is required to achieve income mainly deriving from enrolling new members, and not from retail sale of wares or services
With WMI deploying a global business model that does not differ geographically and with the Commerce Commission analysing Wealth Masters against a criteria that looks remarkably similar to Norway’s Gaming Act, it would appear that this precedent would strongly indicate a foregone conclusion regarding the Commissions investigation.
Still, at this early stage with the Commission asking the most rudimentary of questions (‘is there a joining fee?’) of WMI’s New Zealand members, it is obvious that the Commission’s investigation is still in its infancy.
A copy of the letter sent out by the Commerce Commission is made available below (click to enlarge);
Stay Tuned.
This is an interesting article: http://www.businessforhome.org/2011/11/top-earner-michael-hamburger-bailing-out-wealth-masters-international/
Citing: “Reliable sources confirms around 3,000 people where involved in the good times, while the active distributor base is back to under 300 people. Revenue is back from $20 million under $3 million.”
Still WMI continues to hire new corporate staff: http://wmitoday.com/company/corporate-staff/
I wonder how they will be able to pay 27 people with a revenue of $3 million when 59 to 71 % is paid in commission to the consultants.
The Norwegian Gaming Board has today released a general warning about pyramid schemes. They also proclaim that investigating companies that look like pyramid schemes requires a lot of work, and will not get priority in the future. It is each citizen’s responsibility to find out if a business is legal or not. In the end of the document it is mentioned that they have received information that Norwegian WMI members still sell the WMI products in Norway despite the ban.
The entire document here (in Norwegian): https://lottstift.no/lotteritilsynet/2011/11/15/sja-opp-for-ulovlege-pyramidar/
WMI does not have 27 corporate staff…. HUGE exaggeration.
EDDIE ASIANO — He is an independent contractor that films for them, not an employee.
JEREMY MINER — Just has a glorified title but is not a employee either.
PAT BERRY — Is a systems guy – independent contractor and now selling ARIIX products.
Wayne Allyn Root — A paid speaker not an employee
WALTER YOUNG — Is not a employee just a guy that owns some of Opes (and that is failing)
They give people these big titles just to make their “STAFF” look bigger.
Word on the street is that PER GUNNAR HOEM is leaving WMI too. He can’t stand the leadership.
Libertrian politician and WMI Senior Economic Advisor, Wayne Allyn Root comes under heavy fire from his party for pitching WMI – http://libertarianpeacenik.blogspot.com/2011/11/wayne-allyn-roots-wealth-masters.html
Ah, Ted Nuyten’s site. He speaks plainly and did an excellent report on TVI Express fraud back in 2010. He was forced to remove it after his ISP surrendered to “orbital ion cannon” DDOS attack that killed virtually all of ISP’s hosted sites.
I would trust anything he prints.
That’s interesting, the Wealth Masters wmitoday.com site is sitting as a parked domain with GoDaddy.
Did WMI run out of money to pay its hosting fees?
Website is unparked again, last update was 2 weeks ago.
Domain Name: WMITODAY.COM
Created on: 07-Jun-05
Expires on: 22-Nov-21
Last Updated on: 23-Nov-11
Paid for 10 years?
Must be some positive thinking or something?
Yeah noticed it went back up yesterday. Maybe they changed hosting providers or something.
Wonder how the Muai conference is going.
Wealth masters doesn’t pay. I’ve been waiting over 1 month for my commission. I’ve gotten some bullshit story from the home office about the delay. Total crap.
I bet Jeremy miner or per gunner don’t wait to get paid. They have no delay hitting my card for over $300 in fees each month. Hey Kip & Karl we are all losing faith in you. Your new MLM must be the object of your eyes. Don’t forget it’s the WMI consultants that built WMI.
Pay us our money onetime already.
Update from Norway:
Johan Kloster has stepped down from his position in WMI Scandinavia, and Per Gunnar Hoem is the now official contact:
http://w2.brreg.no/enhet/sok/detalj.jsp?orgnr=996074463
We are still waiting for the final decision from the Gaming Board appeal committee. It will be no surprise if WMI goes belly up before the decision is made.
The WMI leadership keeps publishing messages like these:
“The WMI community is positioned for an unprecedented period of growth, and the timing has never been more perfect”
(http://wmitoday.com/articles/wealth-masters-founders-call/)
“Earn $500 commission on each repeat ticket and get paid NOW!”
(http://wmitoday.com/articles/wmis-amazing-promo/)
“2012 is shaping up to be the most exciting and prosperous year in the history of Wealth Masters International.”
“Enroll for a whole year and save!”
(http://wmitoday.com/articles/2012-wealth-masters-intl/)
2011 has been a total catastrophy for WMI, and unless Pure becomes a success, they will not survive 2012.
Recently Wayne Allyn Root wrote that WMI has 38.000 members in over 140 countries:
http://answerpot.com/showthread.php?3196337-Caution!%20Be%20circumspect%20of%20Wayne%20Root%27s%20latest%20hustle
Politicians never lie, do they?
BTW, later this year the name Olav Kårevik appeared in WMI Scandinavia. He is involved with several companies, and two of his companies were soon renamed to WMI Investment AS and WMI Norway AS.
One month ago the company WMI Norway AS changed its name to Cooking With Monkey AS:
http://w2.brreg.no/kunngjoring/hent_alle.jsp?kid=20110000473074&sokeverdi=932092417
Sure, it must be a pleasure to do business with Per Gunnar Hoem….
So WMI keep saying 2012 is supposed to be so good for the company yet they are offering ‘special’s and discounts’ to try and lure people to join and recruit. I notice Crashproof Prosperity is available to the public now (“limited time” with no deadline?).
http://crashproofprosperity.co/
Thanks for that BF. After googling ‘Cooking with Monkey Norway’ I finally found a link to a ‘Cooking with Monkey’ sales page: http://cookingwithmonkeyproductions.ecoeconow.org/sales/cooking-with-monkey/
Fred Tissington (CEO) has a video on it.
But a google of ‘Cooking with Monkey Productions Corporation’ takes you to a dead page:
http://cwmproductions.net/
As I mentioned on the other thread, Fred Tissington is a director of ‘Swarm Technologies Inc’ along with Kip Herriage.
Also interesting to note is the broad “purpose” listed for Cooking with Monkey AS:
Purpose:
Consulting and investing in Internet companies, real estate, Gold, silver and other minerals, stocks and securities, and to participate in company with a similar purpose.
Hmmm. Maybe they try to cover the WMI activity in Norway behind a new company name?
Actually, EcoEcoNow is the new WMI marketing platform, with the domain ecoeconow.org hosted in Pattaya.
I haven’t really looked into it, but are you sure?
That domain has an about page with comments going back to March 2010. It looks like a self contained opportunity all in itself (unless WMI recently bought it?).
Strange…EcoEcoNow seems to be a ‘conservation’ front with an ‘online marketing system’ called “PCFmojo” or “Perpetual Conversion Funnel”.
The EcoEcoNow.org website is useless – same (out of date?)page for every tab. They claim to support ‘Conservation International’, yet I cannot find any official affiliation between them.
http://wealthmastersinternational.net/groups/profile/619
The comments at the site ecoeconow.org are mostly made by WMI M3 consultants. The domain pcfmojo.com is registered by Tham Dai Dee Co., Ltd., but both sites seem to be runned from servers in Montreal.
I am not sure if EcoEcoNow was an official choice by WMI, as no information about it can be found at wmitoday.com or wminow.com.
The Perpetual Conversial Funnel is marketed with slogans like this:
Source: http://cchristiano.ecoeconow.org/perpetual-conversion-funnel/
To me it seems to be a set of wordpress templates, and it definately has not worked, as the WMI sales almost have stopped completely and many of the consultants that praised this marketing system have left WMI.
WMI has been struggling a lot to establish a new marketing platform after the divorce with Carbon Copy Pro. In December 2010 it was announced that
Source: http://wmitoday.com/articles/wealth-masters-2011-initiatives/
It was claimed that
Source: http://wmitoday.com/news/introducing-wmi-marketing/
Well, it did not.
In November WMI announced that they partnered with Jeff Lerner (who left them for Pro U in 2010), and he brought his own marketing system TopTierIncome.com.
http://wmitoday.com/articles/new-partnership-with-jeff-lerner/
Last week they wrote:
Source: http://wmitoday.com/articles/2012-wealth-masters-intl/
Looks like this:
is tied into the article I wrote today regarding WMI suing Office VP.
From the same WMIToday page B.F. linked to:
It is now confirmed that Norwegian WMI consultants try to market WMI behind the concept name Cooking With Monkey.
They have created the domain cookingwithmonkey.no, and a whois lookup reveals the owner:
The phone number provided belongs to Per Gunnar Hoem.
They now send out webinar invitations to Norwegian leads about this “new” business model from the address cookingwithmonkey@gmail.com. There is no name provided, but the language reminds me of Hoem:
The web page cookingwithmonkey.no is also very similar to other pages designed by Hoem.
I trust you’ve forwarded this to the relevant authorities? 🙂
After looking at the introduction videos, the product seems to differ from WMI, and it is difficult to determine any official connection to WMI besides the whois record.
http://www.okbc.tv/Script1.mp4
http://www.okbc.tv/Script2.mp4
http://www.okbc.tv/Script3.mp4
Sure, it is founded by one of Kip Herriage’s “business” partners, marketed through the existing WMI network, and officially launched at a WMI conference, but it would take too much time for the Gaming Board to legally determine the connection.
My guess is that it will not become a success in Norway, but if it should be, the press will soon draw the lines from WMI to CWM and make it collapse. The Gaming Board might make a general statement that CWM looks like a pyramid scheme, but they will never start any official investigation.
Still it is interesting that Per Gunnar Hoem is already listed at the Board of Advisors:
http://cookingwithmonkey.com/investors/board-of-advisors/
The appeal from WMI to the Norwegian Gaming Appeal Board has been dismissed. There is still a possibility that WMI can appeal to the civil ombudsman, but I don’t think they want to spend more money on a sinking ship.
Here is the statement from Norwegian Authorities:
https://lottstift.no/lotteritilsynet/2012/01/02/wmi-ma-stoppe-sal-av-sine-produkt/
The attached document is a scanned copy, which makes it difficult to feed into Google Translate. I have requested a copy of the letter.
@B.F.
The banning of WMI in Norway relates to the business model, “selling the right to sell the right, to sell the right to earn commission on selling the WMI opportunity”, the chain recruiting model. The products will still be illegal if they’re “part of a package” or anything similar, using a similar business model as earlier.
The seminars “could” be sold freely if they didn’t have any business opportunity attached, as standalone products to retail customers. Selling them as part of a business opportunity will still be illegal.
I don’t think WMI will feel very tempted to try to stretch the laws in a country where they have been banned. This sounds too amateurish to me. The situation in Norway in 2010/2011 created trouble far beyond the borders of this single market.
I’ve translated the document and published a writeup here.
I came across this post on scam.com:
link: http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=1139792#post1139792
Digger23 identifies himself as Colin Allomes in another post. He has a website/blog if you google his name.
I am looking for something official to confirm the letter he posted but can’t find any other reference to it. (the typo’s indicate it has been typed out to copy) I also cannot find the media release mentioned, published yet.
The letter looks real, at least in the sound of it and how the stuff is presented. I have read similar letters from the Norwegian Gaming Board. They had some typos too, and that seems to be the normal standard.
Colin Allomes seems to have stopped marketing WMI, and instead he is marketing Elite PRO (CarbonCopyPRO) and Mike Dillard, plus other marketing tools.
He has been with CCPro and WMI since 2008, so he has probably made some money too in the good old days. Returning back to CCPro is probably an attempt to keep his existing downline.
Other than that, I don’t think joining CCPro was a very good idea. It’s like jumping from one sinking ship to another.
I got a call today from none other than Karl Bessey, President and cofounder of Wealth Masters. Karl called to personally tell me that the m2 conference being held in 2 week has been cancelled.
He offered me a $500 credit to offset my airfare. How is it that a $100 million company cannot host a conference they’ve been selling for months nor pay there bills? Canceling an event 2 weeks away is crazy.
Apparently all the rumors about WMI failing are true. What is wrong with this company are the crooks running it. The writing has been on the wall for a long time. This was a wakeup call.
I’ve called my credit card company and requested a full refund. I bought a ticket for this month not sometime in the future. I believe this will be the easiest and best option. One word describing my WMI experience is CANCEL.
Putting aside the obvious, did he state why it’d been cancelled?
Good old Kip Herriage, CEO of Wealth Masters International has been at it again. This time he failed to pay for the Wealth Accelerator, which was outsourced.. Kip and his partner Karl Bessey failed to pay their vendor for services rendered, it’s hard to believe, I know. Wealth Masters owes them more than $35,0000 and have been shut down. The WMI consultants have been told their is an updated 4th generation coming in 3 phases. The Wealth Accelerator is part of the mpower and the m1. It’s the only real value in the courses. The writing is literally on the wall at http://www.wmiwaonline.com.
It’s been almost 15 months and still no Wealth Accelerator (wmiwaonline.com).
They are still selling the same M1 course that was published in 2010 even though most of the experts are no longer affiliated with WMI.
I believe WMI should redesign its whole business idea. The high ticket seminars had a market before 2008 when everyone were feeling rich. Income opportunities will always have a market, but that doesn’t mean that ANY opportunity will have it.
WMI will need a new set of ideas rather than modified old ones. And this time it should be wise to have a customer class of members = selling the service itself rather than selling the opportunity, at least to some people. And the service doesn’t need to be about seminars.