Wazzub Review: Another useless search portal MLM
Hoping to capitalise on the success of Facebook, Twitter and Google, does Wazzub actually bring anything new to the internet?
THE POWER OF “WE”
It’s a fact: companies like Google or Facebook earn billions of $$$ every quarter just because we, the Internet users use their services.
It is time to understand, that we “the users” decide who is earning the big money.
WAZZUB is the first truly global community that pays us “the users”, just for choosing WAZZUB as our homepage.
The more free members we attract, the more money each member will earn.
It is as simple as that; let’s discover The Power of “We”!
The above is the opening advertising pitch given to prospective members of Wazzub.
Whilst it correctly states that ‘the users’ who generate ‘billions of dollars’ for the companies used an example, it fails to mention that these companies, through innovation, filled a void that didn’t exist before and subsequently flourished.
Read on for a full review of the Wazzub MLM opportunity.
The Company
Wazzub provide no information about who is behind the company or who is running it on their website at the time of publication.
As always, if a MLM company is not upfront about who is running things or behind it, be extremely cautious about joining it.
The domain wazzub.com is registered to ‘Internet Global Value Inc.’ operating out of Delaware in the US.
This corporation can be confirmed to exist by visiting the State of Delaware website and punching in ‘internet global value’ into an entity search.
There is a website for Internet Global Value Inc., but this domain is registered to a ‘Internet Global Value Inc.’ with an address given as a PO Box in San Fransico, California.
I do note that this registry information hasn’t been updated since the 27th December, 2010 – so it might very well just be out of date. That said, their description of themselves on the website certainly seems to match the company being behind Wazzub;
Internet Global Value (IGV) is listed in all major market places around the globe as an accredited dealer and has access to virtually all the available shares of lucrative Internet Projects.
Because of that, IGV does not limit its clients/investors to only one Internet venture but creates different Portfolio Companies where the client investments are spread amongst quality projects.
What other projects these guys are involved in though, if any, remains a mystery.
Update December 28th 2011 – Since authoring this article the WHOIS for wazzub.me has been changed to
GIT Global Investments Inc.
391 NW 179 Ave
Beaverton, Oregon 97006
United States
GIT Global Investments Inc. is registered as a ‘personal Services and Laundries‘ business and appears to have nothing to do with either MLM or the internet.
A ‘Cathy L Halverson’ is listed as a contact for GIT, but who she is or what her network marketing history is (if any) remains unclear.
Cathy Halverson, along with a ‘William B. Halverson’ and ‘David E Halverson’ (are these real names?) all seem to involved in something called ‘Flex World’ and ‘PSG2000’ back in 2004 that was still running in 2006.
The Halversons also appear to have multiple companies in their names;
Hi Detektiv007, habs found, but there is the name of Cathy Halverson!
This clan runs a whole host of shell companies and unauthorized banks, sometimes one is Chairman of DAVID E Halverson PSG2000! Thus the circle closes ….
Note that these are all Portuguese language forums that I’ve linked to auto-translated. To see the relevant bits about Cathy Halverson, do a keyword search for ‘Cathy’.
All said and done, the person(s) behind Wazzub appears to be less than credible at this stage. Regarding Wazzub disclosing this information themselves, they haven’t and I maintain that not disclosing management and ownership is always a huge red flag when it comes to MLM opportunities. /end update
The Wazzub Product Line
Wazzub have no product to retail and instead relies on its members to market the opportunity (joining Wazzub) itself.
Using Google, here’s how Wazzub describe what they have to offer members:
Last Quarter Google made $3 billion in profits just by displaying ads. That means Google earns on average $1 per month per unique user.
WAZZUB uses exactly the same technology as Google PLUS some additional streams of income.
What are the ‘additional streams of income’ you ask?
Step by step we will add more and more functions that make WAZZUB the perfect home page:
a powerful search engine, a personalized news section, the best deals on the Internet and amazing entertainment features like videos and skill games, just to name a few.
So in other words advertising and Daily Deals are going to be making up the bulk of Wazzub’s revenue.
The Wazzub Compensation Plan
The Wazzub compensation plan revolves around a unilevel structure that pays down 5 levels.
The characteristics of a unilevel organisation are such that when you personally recruit someone into Wazzub, a new leg is formed under you. If the person you recruited recruits someone, a new leg is formed under them and this makes up your second level.
Once again if someone on your second level recruits someone, this makes up your third level and so on and so forth. There is no limit to the width of your unilevel organisation, so you are free to recruit as many new members as you wish.
For each Wazzub member in your unilevel organisation, Wazzub will pay you out a $1 commission.
The company also promises to pay members a share of the revenue generated by the Wazzub portal itself;
50% off all profits will be paid to the members. The other 50% go to the shareholders (Internet Global Value Inc.).
For the time being this looks to be an equal split amongst members but no doubt there will be some strings attached which will be announced closer to Wazzub’s launch date.
Joining Wazzub
Being a web search portal, Wazzub is free to join.
The company maintains that Wazzub will be ‘free forever‘ with ‘no hidden fees, nothing to sell, nothing to buy‘, explaining that members ‘just sign up, invite and profit‘
Conclusion
The big question hanging over the Wazzub opportunity is its ability to generate enough revenue to pay out its members.
The company mentions Facebook, Google and Twitter in its advertising spiels but like I said fails to also mention that each of these companies was succesful on their respective innovation they brought to the internet.
Innovation creates demand which in turn attracts users and generates revenue.
So what innovation are Wazzub bringing to the table?
Nothing.
Wazzub state they are using ‘the same technology as Google’. Quite obviously either Wazzub are talking about Google’s search technology (which is free for anyone to use) or AdWords (Google’s advertising platform for advertisers).
From this wording we can ascertain two things, either Wazzub is planning on just creating a search portal around Google Search (using either Adsense or their own internal advertising network), or they are going to create their own search engine and whack ether Adsense or their own internal advertising network on it.
Either way, Google’s advertising success is on the back of their search engine success which is powered by a secret and proprietary set of algorithms.
Algorithms Wuzzub will either use like everybody else, or fail to come anywhere near in the creation of their own search engine.
If the former path is taken, members will no doubt be asking themselves ‘why would I bother using Wuzzub when I can already use Google?’ And the same question repeats itself over and over when it comes to news, daily deals, games or anything else Wazzub cares to offer on their search portal.
The answer?
Because using the site generates money which members get a 50% share of, not withstanding their monthly recruitment commissions.
The problem?
There’s a huge conflict of interest for the members using the site and potential for fraud, which will severely throw into question any advertising efforts of Wazzub. Members want money and they know that in order to get money Wazzub are either going to get paid in clicks or impressions.
If Wazzub are using a third-party advertising network, they’re going to find themselves booted pretty quickly. And if they use their own network, who’s going to pay to advertise on a search portal with members using it who are only interested in their 50% stake in advertising revenue?
Google’s success in advertising comes from people using its search engine because of the uniqueness of their search engine. Slapping ads on the same search hosted on a different domain provides no incentive for people to switch, beyond getting paid by the opportunity itself.
And that is where Wazzub are going to ultimately fail. There’s just no incentive for anyone except its members to use the Wazzub website – and the only reason members are using it is on the promise of making money.
You need genuine users who aren’t part of the business opportunity if Wazzub is ever going to generate serious revenue. By bringing nothing new to the table innovation wise, Wazzub are seriously kidding themselves if they think it’s just going to happen organically through recruitment commission driven advertising.
Notwithstanding the fact that Wazzub’s recruitment driven commissions alone is enough to cast a question of legality over the MLM opportunity itself.
Wazzub are currently Pre-Pre Launch until December 31st.
From January the 1st till March 31st the company will enter pre-launch, then a beta-launch from April to the end of June before officially launching in July 2012.
By the official July launch Wazzub are hoping to create ‘the perfect internet‘ and be attracting ‘at least 10 million users per month‘.
Honestly?
As the Wazzub business model stands now, personally I don’t think they have a hope in hell.
thanks – I had my suspicions due to their vagueness, you helpt put into words what I felt. #fail #wazzub
I used an old trick, “site:wazzub.info” and “site:signup.wazzub.info“, revealing all pages currently connected to wazzub.info.
* They seem to have 15 members now, and the number of members were 13 appr. 1 hour ago. I counted the number of signup-pages related to the site.
* It seems like they have some connections to Hungary? All pages except one was in English, and one page was in Hungarian (facts_hu.htm).
This project isn’t a multi-million or -billion project, it looks more like some cheap’n’easy marketing on the internet.
I’ll guess their origin is from Hungary, and that the companies registered in the U.S are used to make it look more “international”.
@M_Norway
If there’s no money behind it (I read one member quoting 2 million had been pumped into it), then there’s a good chance it’s just going to be Adsense slapped onto Google search.
Ie. Nothing new and absolutely no reason to use it beyond the promise of earning money.
Quote “April 1, 2012 is WAZZUB DAY. Our website will go live and our members start to earn money.”
The date says it all!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a question – how do you receive any income generated? Cheque, bank transfer? Is it normal not to have a payment method mentioned in MLM?
It is, but given these guys are in pre-pre-pre-pre launch or whatever they want to call it, they’ve got till next July to come up with a payment method.
Usually AlertPay is the processor of choice for recruitment driven opportunities.
SOME payment processors are very weary of recruitment driven “opportunities” as well.
I’ve had Solid Trust Pay reps came onto my blog TWICE commenting that they had NOTHING to do with TVI Express despite their name still appearing on some TVI Express “fan sites”. That, alone, should tell you a LOT about how shady TVI Express is.
I wonder if AlertPay have a similar stance against scams?
Perhaps in their T&C but I’m pretty sure there’s a reason every recruitment driven matrix scam out there uses them.
Thanks for that.
I’ve got a massive email database – is this worth doing or are there better opportunities out there?
Personally I think Wazzub is going to be another flop. There’s no organic demand for another web search portal on the internet.
I am also curious to see how far they will go as in all MLM the ones who make $$ are the ones at the top (reverse pryamid) so my question is will the mother comnpany be listed in the stock exchange? maybe thats the way to get in for a quick profit :->
I’m wondering how they even know who we invite. There seems nothing in our invitation that automatically locks in our identity, rather those reading our invite letter are direct to click a link that takes them directly to the sign in page where they enter their own email address.
This leaves me wondering how our “WazzupFamily” ever gets identified and usable to determine a personalized “Wazzup $Factor” to us. Too, the absence of any discussion of how the payments would be made is curious.
I also found the video clips online a bit questionable in terms of the numbers quoted in 24 hours when upon going to the blogspot – http://heywazzub.blogspot.com/ – as of this writing at 18:59PST on 12/26/11, there are only 47,155 members.
Just checked the reference made under the section here at BehindMLM.com (at the top titled “The Company”) that says WazzUb’s domain name is registered to Internet Global Value, Inc..
When going to the IGV website, it says toward the bottom above the contact section that IGV is a subsidiary of United American Capital Corporation established in 2004 in Oregon. So I did a search on them finding this at http://www.manta.com/c/mmnx50b/united-american-capital-group …
I called them and got an answering service. Indeed, for a company said on the IGV site – http://www.internetglobalvalue.com/en/ – (which itself has no location or staff information on its one-page website) to be a subsidiary of UAC said at IGV’s site to have a recognized value of $140M doing business in over 20 countries, I find it strange upon searching for UAC’s site one discovers;
(a) it has no site of its own,
(b) the only information one readily finds is the http://www.mantra.com reference (noted above),
(c) the UAC 2004 startup date claimed on the (bogus?) IGV site does not correspond w/the 2002 date recorded by Mantra,
(d) an annual revenue of $350K with 4 members seems “out of character” for the claims of support made by WazzUB, and
(e) that they use an answering service, which frankly feels flaky at that.
@keolalani
At the end of the day it shouldn’t be this difficult to track down who is running a legit company.
It looks like someone has gone to a lot of effort to mask ownership of Wazzub, and that’s probably due to the non-credibility of the business model itself.
The information in this article is either out of date or incorrect a whois search for the domain wazzub.com reveals the following
Registrant:
GIT Global Investments Inc.
391 NW 179 Ave
Beaverton, Oregon 97006
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: WAZZUB.COM
Created on: 11-Jun-11
Expires on: 11-Jun-12
Last Updated on: 11-Jun-11
Administrative Contact:
Department, Hosting service@wazzub.com
GIT Global Investments Inc.
391 NW 179 Ave
Beaverton, Oregon 97006
United States
+1.5418338222
further a search for the business registration in Oregon reveals
GIT GLOBAL INVESTMENTS INC
391 Nw 179Th Ave
Beaverton, OR 97006
Contact: CATHY L HALVERSON
Phone: Not Available
PERSONAL SERVICES AND LAUNDRIES
Incorporated: 10/2011; Personal Services and Laundries, Personal services including babysitting, shopping, personal assistants, and laundry services.
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the company address in both the domain registration and the company registration match as does the domain and company creation dates proving this is not a multi-billion dollar project but a poorly concieved and constructed scam targetting advertisers and businesses globally
@Dave Gilbert
Do you have any information about Business Registries in the U.S? Where to find searchable database in different states?
I want to add the information to my private list, for future use. I don’t need a complete list or something, just some information to help me find them.
all i do is type in the company name followed by Business registration and the state, region or country the compay is supposedly registered in into google or another search engine so the above search query looked like this “GIT Global Investments Inc business registration Oregon”
http://www.google.com.au/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=GIT+Global+Investments+Inc+business+registration+Oregon&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest
I see the problem. Domaintools kicked out a blank info, just the name. (Nothing about Delaware)
However, whois.net gave the info that domain’s registered through GoDaddy
And godaddy’s WHOIS gave up the owner info in Oregon
http://who.godaddy.com/whoischeck.aspx?Domain=WAZZUB.COM
whats really interesting is that if this is a multi-billion dollar project under construction as claimed for 4 years and not due for public launch until july 1st 2012, why does the domain registry information only show 1 years registration thats due to expire on the 11th of june 2012 3 weeks almost before the site is officially open?
Surely if it were a multi-villion dollar project then the domain registration would have been for a much longer term ie 5-10 years.
And if it had been in development for 4 years the company registration would reflect that the company was at least 4 years old, not registered on the 11 june 2011 at the same time the domains were registered.
More interesting info… CorporationWiki shows that Cathy L Halverson is owner, principal, or president in SIX OTHER companies, all in Oregon, all with fancy sounding names.
http://www.corporationwiki.com/Oregon/Aloha/cathy-l-halverson/44261920.aspx
There is also a Cathy L Halverson who resides in Roseville, CA, but she’s a different person from the one in Oregon, AFAIK.
What’s REALLY interesting is what came up on a GERMAN website… Read the translation and be amazed. I don’t know where they get their info from though.
http://raubwirtschaft.info/go/b2b/hintergrund/personen/halverson_cathy.htm
Forgot to gave credit to the French… THEIR forum pointed to all that info.
http://www.hoaxbuster.com/forum/wazzub-info
I have no idea why, but since I wrote the article the WHOIS has changed. It was pointing to Internet Global Value Inc. operating out of Deleware. Why they changed it I have no idea.
the reason may be that the domain was sold and transferred which is common with companies wanting to get a jumpstart rank on alexa and google
I dunno, I’m still not convinced.
Deleware aside, ‘Internet Global Value Inc.’ sounds a little too similar to ‘GIT Global Investments Inc.’ for it to have just been bought and sold with the registry information only having just been updated.
Too many ‘globals’ there for my liking.
Still, I’ll update the article to reflect the change in WHOIS, thanks for the heads up.
edit: Found some more stuff on the Halversons which I’ve added to the main article under ‘The Company’. Appears these guys have a ton of companies in their names so that could very well explain the multiple companies appearing in the domain whois for wazzub.info
I’m getting conflicting info. Internic’s WHOIS gave something completely different from the Godaddy info.
If you use this website http://centralops.net/co/ wazzup.com spat out a privacy reg’ed website (through a firm in AU) through a registrar called fabulous, and that went to buy.internettraffic.com
Never seen that before. How interesting!
@Kasey
the .INFO is what appears in the search engines and I believe is what I originally checked.
edit: nope, I checked the .com. That’s where I got the original deleware listing from – although it now points to ‘GIT Global Investments Inc.’
Kinda strange seeing as GoDaddy list it has not having been changed since 11th June 2011. So how was it different when I wrote the review??
Confirmed, they definitely changed the registered name.
Whois.sc (aka who.is) spat out two different owners… At first it was Internet Global Value, THEN sometime after 11/25/11 it was changed to GIT
http://www.who.is/domain_archive-com/wazzub.com/
Found your delaware reference…
http://www.who.is/domain_archive-info/wazzub.info/
Knew I wasn’t going crazy!
How are they changing their domain registry information with it still showing a last update of mid-2011!
For that history record of wazzub.info, the change date is the 10th of August 2011. Yet if you punch in wazzub.info into whois.net today, you get the same last updated page (10th August) but with completely different info (Oregon address).
This is shadier than ever.
The address 2711 Centerville Rd, Wilmington Delaware belongs to CSC, a company registration agent… and one of their services is “registered agent”… who receives mail for a company and forwards it. In other words, it’s “domain privacy” for companies.
The phone number listed, 541 area code, does correspond to area near Eugene Oregon though.
Google maps shows the Oregon address to be a modest house in a residential neighborhood.
What’s even more interesting is the link that popped up regarding a “William B Halvorson” (note the slightly different spelling) when you search for the address on Google.
It’s a “Cease and Desist” order from State of Oregon to stop making up fake business names.
http://dfcs.oregon.gov/securities/enf/orders/B-05-0041-1.pdf
Oops, re-reading the PDF from Oregon shows that the Cathy Halverson in Roseville, CA, is indeed the SAME PERSON, as one of the bogus corps registered by William B Halvorson is also in Roseville CA.
So from the sounds of it, these Halversons/Halvorsons go around registering a crap load of companies to push their scams, and by all appearances Wazzub appears to be their latest.
Only at this stage their just harvesting email addresses. Most likely to use later with some other opportunity they launch (after registering a few more dozen companies to mask their tracks).
Yeah but i think they are also using a large membership to convince companies to spend their advertising budgets with them instead of using the traditional advertising companies.
Of course larger companies won’t bother but the small bread and butter businesses may be duped into thinking this is worthwhile and lose a whole year of advertising budget as a result potentially putting a hole in the economy yet again.
This particular scam is not new though it was run about 4 years ago again under the guise of a new search system again free to join and again offerring 50% of the company profits. However in that instance they changed the rules shortly after launch quoting poor advertiser take up and started charging for memberships and expressing a need to upgrade in order to earn any income.
Needless to say it soon collapsed as people realized they had been taken for a ride (i was one of the many that fell for this scam)
just got a reply from the “Wazzub Team” at facebook where i posted information i had collected on their page (it was removed from the page and moved to a private wall post).
I’m going to post their reply here note they dispute the whois information and the company data though there can be no doubt thatboth the whois and company data are correct they even try to say i am just using them to further promote my own site which is not the case.
their answer
@Dave thanks for sharing that.
You can show them the archive Kasey linked to that clearly shows the company ‘Internet Global Value Inc.’. This is what was listed a week ago on December 20th when I wrote the review.
The Oregon Business Registry entry for GIT Global Investments Inc reveals a document (note this document wouldn’t load in Chrome, had to use Internet Explorer) that lists
1. an authorised capital of $60,000,000 USD (6,000,000 shares assigned a ‘par value’ of $10 each)
2. A Roseville, California mailing address
3. A Mr. Robert A. Lee as the incorporator forming Wazzub (he gives the California address as his own)
4. A Mr. T. Burton as a contact (800-352-0533) if there are ‘any questions with this filing‘
T. Burton appears to be ‘Tamara J. Burton’ who lists herself as the ‘Operations Manager’ for US. Corporation Services Inc. back in 1997.
There’s two other references listed on Google (note these again weren’t working in Google Chrome).
I don’t know if Burton is still with US. Corporation Services, but she doesn’t appear to have anything to do with MLM.
As for Robert A. Lee – his listed address at 2200B Douglas Blvd Suite 100 Roseville CA 95661′ turns up 9 Google results.
On those results,
1. Tamara Burton’s name somehow pops up listed a company sharing that address (so maybe she is involved)
2. some attorney named Seth L. Hanson uses the same address
3. some company called HummBid use the same address
4. William B. Halvorson lists the same address on a whole bunch of companies he creates in this cease and desist notice from the State of Oregon (note that at the bottom of this document Tamara Burton’s name pops up again…
This is all getting a bit ridiculous really. Can the real owners of Wazzub please stand up?
yes i know they seem to feel that we’re all stupid and can’t read their latest response is that Cathy L Halverson is the agent they used to register their business in Oregon, and that you need an agent to register a business in the us which i know is crap as Kooiii is registered and we didn’t need to employ an agent to perform that.
In fact you can register online and pay the fees if applicable with your credit card as we did to register our Business partnership Velocity Marketer which is registered in Yuma Arizona where my business partner resides
The address where is registered is a baby seating and laundry service. So it is not like big corporate business.
There are few guys desperate to get a few hundred millions active email addresses and then sell for few hundred k $.
It appears that this T. Burton and Cathy L Halverson are merely registration agents (all they do is be the proxies of real corporate owners).
If you enter that 800 number into Google you get a TON of different state corporations filings in states that are NOT California or Oregon. I’ve seen Mississippi and several others, where Cathy L Halverson appear as “secretary” for these corporations and T. Burton appears as contact / agent of service.
Here’s one where they appears as US Corporation Services (go to last page of the PDF)
https://business.sos.state.ms.us/imaging/26432387.pdf
Dave, if you don’t specifically name a third-party agent, then you are your own agent. Basically, it’s a formality where official documents (liens, lawsuits, notices, etc.) can be sent to the corporation. It’s buried somewhere in the fineprint of your registration application.
Here’s some additional sources
WAZZUB
GIT GLOBAL INVESTMENT INC.
ROBERT A. LEE
http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Roseville/robert-a-lee/44716459.aspx
– EURO-AMERICAN INVESTMENT —> Bengt I. Stenbock
– FIRST PAN AMERICAN SERVICE —> Bengt I. Stenbock
– STAR GATE CAPITAL CORP. —> Bengt I. Stenbock
BENGT I. STENBOCK
http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Roseville/bengt-i-stenbock/40002561.aspx
– some different companies I haven’t checked
I believe they may be lawyers, investment lawyers or something. Bengt I. Stenbock signed the Cease and Desist order in 2005.
I don’t have time to do more research now. I only wanted to identify some sources that can contain information.
Here’s an additional source, listing 68 companies and 22 people at the same address as in previous post.
http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Roseville/2200-B-Douglas-Blvd-Ste-100-Roseville-CA-95661-a16601217.aspx
ROBERT A LEE
BENGT I STENBOCK
CATHY L HALVERSON
WILLIAM B HALVERSON
… and a lot more
Companies:
It’s possible to google a few of these companies to get an impression, if they’re related to “something”. What to look up for is:
* are they “clones” of other companies?
* do they have their own “clones” in other states?
* similarities in websites and design?
22 people running 68 companies from the same building?
They may be agents, but …
A quick overview for the first 7 companies in the list indicates faked companies.
“A few hits” means the company isn’t active.
“First U.S. Bancorp of Trade, Inc.” is worth checking further, but it isn’t related to WazzUb. This may be a big scam, but it may also be time consuming.
NOTE:
I only used a 1-5 minute check on each of these companies, to avoid wasting too much time on unimportant information. A quick overview will usually save a lot of time.
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@Oz
Is it possible to attach a forum or similar solution to this blog? Not as a main function, but as a “tool” for different needs?
In this thread there is a need for going off-topic, and sort some information that isn’t directly related to the topics in the article. Then I need someone else to evaluate the information, so I can’t do the work on my computer. Posting all information here will ruin this thread and create chaos. I expect to find something interesting when I / we continue this work.
Attaching a forum was meant as a “medium term solution”.
In the short term I’ll guess an “empty” article will meet the needs, as a place where it’s allowed to post “temporarily stuff”. Empty means a title and a short description, and grouped a place where it’s possible to find it later. (If possible, some tricksing with date will prevent it from appearing as a “new article”).
Anyone having a better idea?
You are 100% WRONG!!! I know Gee, he is a great man, a man with Integrity, Honesty and he cares about all the WazzUb members very much. This article is Total Bull Shit!
And you all just watch and keep bad mouthing WazzUb all ya want. wazzUb will be the next Huge Business! Whoever wrote this, did so because people and the Gurus are shaking in their boots because the new way to do business is for free
And the Gurus are not going to get anyone to send them their $$ any longer, and isn’t it great? No more Gurus scamming us and playing their money games…
Im glad to see all the gurus lose their $$ and asses, because all they have been doing to allof us for years is ripping us off and reaming us….
Wow! I suggest you guys to go to their live webinar tonight and voice your concerns.
@Steve — so other than you don’t like the tone of the article, you don’t have any SPECIFIC objections?
With BehindMLM being a one man operation – a forum means a hell of a lot of extra work for me!
I don’t mind any temporary stuff published here if it’s related to wazzub in someway. Collectively if we can get to the bottom of this the better. If it’s relevant publish it, if you want to share it with others in the hop ethey might advance your own findings, publish it. I don’t mind. It might throw the discussion off a little but if it’s relevant it’ll make sense in the long run (also if people ask how we arrived at some conclusion it’ll be obvious).
@SteveWhat does any of that have to do with Wazzub’s business model? You do know the success or failure of Wazzub hinges on the business model, and not on whether ‘Gee’ is the Pope or not right?
(sidenote: Who is ‘Gee’?)
It’s not new, the other search engines have been combined advertisements with search for the better part of a decade.
Note that Google et al made their names not on advertising, but one the usefulness of their search – advertising came later. Wazzub cannot possibly hope to be as good as Google in terms of search come launch, they’re delusional.
And if Wazzub are just using Google search and whack on their own advertising network, well then they’re not really bringing anything new to the table are they. People will just continue to use Google.
And if they’re hoping a ‘do-everything’ portal + advertising will work, Yahoo, AOL, Altavista etc. already tried that – failed massively.
All these comparisons to Google Wazzub members are using in their advertising are irrelevant, Google didn’t launch with advertising – they launched with a damn useful search engine powered by unique algorithms.
Algorithms that have taken over a decade to refine and Wazzub doesn’t have a hope in hell of replicating independently (at least not at launch).
@Dave Gilbert
Companies registered through U.S. Corporation Services, Inc. are faked companies, with faked capital. Some of these companies have been involved in scams, some others are dead or have surrendered their rights to do business in California (yet they may still be registered in Oregon).
Some disabled links:
*** uscorporation[dot]com/eindex.htm
*** uscorporation[dot]com/reservecorp.htm
Price for a company: $5,000 to $60,000 (includes an extra company)
Authorized share capital: 20 million to 65 billion
The companies are registered in Business Registry, Tax registration, and so on and so forth.
Included in the price are shares in other faked companies, to make it look like the company is backed up by real capital.
Some of the faked companies have been involved in scams.
I have only checked a few of these companies. I spent a little more time checking the main company, U.S. Corporation Services, Inc.
I’m assuming the abundance of fake/involved-in-scam companies these guys have is the reason they were sent a cease and desist by Oregon?
Yeah… sounds like ‘Gee’ is real full of honesty, integrity and greatness.
@Oz
I didn’t mean a forum “used as a forum”, but used as “a place to do some work”, or as an unimportant “subfunction” to the blog.
In this research I’ve already found 2 companies that needs more research, and I have only checked 15 of the 68 companies in the list superficially (1 to 10 minutes).
■First U.S. Bancorp of Trade, Inc.
■U.S. Corporation Services, Inc.
A real forum needs moderators and other work, if you want to run it as a main function to a website. I’m not looking for exactly this solution, but I’m looking for “some sort of solutions” that may work.
Just playing devil’s advocate… Reg agents often do put themselves in as “secretary” of the corporation, with the owner’s permission. Reg agents are not expected to own shares or otherwise actually participate in the company. So it *could* just be that they have more than their share of bad apples.
But you *have* to admit that it does look suspicious as heck when the same person appear as an officer in a ton of corporations.
Oz: the cease and desist appears to be for filing incorporations improperly (without the proper credentials, false representation, and such). You can interpret that as registering a bunch of fake corps, or you can interpret that as filing a ton of corps without checking their veracity.
@Steve
I believe you, Steve. You obviously knows “Gee”.
A great man with Integrity, Honesty and a Faked Company seems to be the right choice for you, as your next chance to become a millionaire without working. You seems to be very satisfied with your former opportunities?
You may be offered shares in the company, too. Just imagine how much money these shares will be worth when WazzUB buys Facebook, only to shut Facebook down as an unwanted competitor?
From joke to reality.
One of the most unattracting things I know in MLM and scams are the self declared “gurus”, and all the people that wants to follow them. This time you have chosen Gee as the next guy you will follow? Maybe you should do something with your need to follow a leader?
I found this link: http://dfcs.oregon.gov/securities/enf/orders/B-05-0041-1.pdf
I’m dutch so I don’t know what this all means, order to cease and desist to William B Halverson.
Perhaps all this incredible information might be reported to Attorney Generals in the states of CA, DE, OR et al? And is there some internet oversight agency available l to help shut this down before it captures more innocent people?
@keolalani and Ton van de Merwe
I believe the service itself is within the law in the U.S., as long as the service is sold outside the U.S. 🙂
These faked companies are mainly used for fraud, but there may be some legitime use for them, too. I’ll have to find some examples that are clearly illegal first.
I believe those “faked shares” are the most illegal part here, and there’s also some possible tax evasion involved (in Europe).
I think most of the info found here gives a clear signal to stay away from WazzUB. It seems to be a waste of time to join something under false conditions. I’m sure “Honest Gee” will have enough integrity to understand that?
*******
So far I haven’t found much interesting information about
■First U.S. Bancorp of Trade, Inc.
I have found these:
NOTE:
This information isn’t directly related to WazzUB, but WazzUB seems to use a method that is more commonly used by scams than by real companies.
maybe we should chase them through facebook where they seem fairly active they will delete or move your posts to a private area however but maybe if they see there is more than just one person seeing them as a scam they may decide to come clean and quit or facebook may step in and do something about them http://www.facebook.com/pages/WAZZUB-International/126710290771826
@Dave Gilbert
I can’t start to “chase” anyone. It will usually cost me too much time if I start doing it that way.
“site:signup.wazzub.info” reports only 1890 hits, so they try to exaggerate how popular they are. “Honest Gee DaCosta” seems to have a need for feeling more popular than he really is?
I haven’t found much interesting yet in relation to the faked companies. I have found LESS than I expected to find, since most of the 15 companies I have checked were inactive.
Wow. “Cheap’n’easy” wasn’t exactly exaggerated. I tried to watch “WazzUB’s first online webinar – part 1”, and they’re making things as cheap as possible (cheaper than I even thought was possible).
It would have been better if they had admitted this in the first presentations, instead of all the “fake it till you make it” stuff they want people to believe in.
“Cheap” is acceptable for most of us, unless they pretend to be something different. I don’t have any problems with cheap solutions from time to time, but all the faking makes me waste a lot of time.
Buying a fake company and creating fake profiles doesn’t improve anything here, it makes the idea look more “false” than “impressive”. It makes “Honest Gee DaCosta” look less honest and trustworthy.
ONE WARNING:
They seems to be engaged in selling leads to MLM distributors, and I believe this may be the main objective in WazzUB. WazzUB may be a solution to generate “quality leads” for other companies.
@Dave Gilbert
I don’t see any reason to start “chasing” WazzUB right now. So far they have revealed some “methods” I wasn’t familiar with, like the fake company. I think it’s better to let them continue. BehindMLM isn’t an “anti-MLM site”, and we don’t have to respond to everything we don’t like. As long as we have pointed out some different concerns it should be enough.
These guys really sucks when they’re pretending to be something, so maybe I can recruit them into “Braindead Networker Society” after a while.
Wazzub Webinar Part 1:
Part 2:
Part 3:
Part 1 – They go over the servies on offer – nothing new… so what demand are they relying on?Part 2 – Invite lots of people = make money! Still nothing on the revenue generation.
Part 3 – Cash incentives for recruiting, no explanation on sustainable revenue generation.
Whoever this ‘Gee DaCosta’ person is, it sounds like he’s running around desperately trying to convince people this isn’t going to be a flop. 86,000 members is useless if you can’t generate revenue from them. Just having members != revenue.
Advertisers need to believe there’s value in the service if they want to advertise. And seeing as Wazzub aren’t bringing anything new to the table, I’m failing to see what that value is.
Without bringing anything new to the internet that there’s a demand for though, I don’t see how it isn’t.
And just one note, guys. That listing for GIT as ‘laundry service’? In the US every corporation is supposed to supply a classification code when it files a tax return and first register the business. If you enter the wrong code, you get listed with the wrong type of biz. So… just saying, it *is* a possible explanation. VERY EMBARASSING EXPLANATION, for sure.
Surely though if this Cathy L Halverson is an Agent as claimed by wazzub surely she would not make such a mistake especially considering the number of companies she seems to have registered Common sense though would also say that had she made a mistake on the registration then why wasn’t this corrected once the registration documents arrived I know when i registered my company and got the official papers through the first thing i did was thoroughly read them to check for errors the second thing i did was go out and buy a frame so i could hang them prominently
I obviously must have missed something in part 2 and 3 of the webinars? The excitement in part 1 was more than enough, late at night. Maybe I’ll watch them later, in a few days.
* He wasn’t “running around” in part 1, but the acoustics in the room made it sound like running. Some sounds were amplified due to poor acoustics. The basement of his parent’s house wasn’t exactly “studio quality” conditions.
* “Desperately” was only in parts of the video, when he got excited for some different reasons. Those “Come on, com’on” was related to the slow update of the screen. 🙂
I believe most of these 86,000 members won’t even know they’re members? I have pointed this out earlier, the need to impress and the “fake it till you make it”. I don’t think these guys are able to suddenly change this “recipe”.
I believe they have started this project from the wrong end. The software needed seems to be more important than buying a fake company. 4 to 6 months before something begins to happen seems like a very long time, and I’ll guess most of the “excitement” will be reduced within a few weeks.
Gee DaCosta claims to be a “free spirit”
www[dot]wiziq.com/waldir1631885
What ELSE is interesting? Some members are claiming to make $1 off every member every month, which goes down many levels:
www[dot]blogs.kraser.ws/unique-wazzub-home-business-blogs
That may explain some of the background noises in the video, like the repeated “click” sound, the sound of flushing a toilet and some of the sounds I haven’t identified yet. 🙂
Actually, I liked this better than the faked “$60 million corporation”.
“FAKED COMPANIES WITH FAKED SHARES”
The types of shares licensed are so called PRE-IPO SHARES, and they are legal but may be worthless if the company never goes public with an IPO Initial Public Offering.
As an investment they are risky. These shares are in the back of the line if the company is sold before an IPO, especially if the company is sold for less than the investment.
WAZZUB’s “investment company” GIT GLOBAL INVESTMENT INC. is basically “worthless”, and these types of companies are commonly used in investment frauds. They have a “worthless” portfolio of PRE-IPO SHARES as their financial “foundation”, and they may also be able to sell their own pre-IPO shares to some unexperienced investors.
I consider WAZZUB to be a possible investment fraud in it’s early beginning. “Honest Gee DaCosta” seems to have a lack of integrity, and most of what I have seen so far has been fake.
“Honest Gee DaCosta” is only a frontfigure. The main person behind WAZZUB seems to be either Hungarian or German. These “faked corporations” are mostly sold in Europe, especially in Germany.
For more information try to google “pre-ipo shares”.
Yet another nay-Sayer stealing away the dreams of the average person wanting to get ahead in this life. My goodness, how much energy and angst you poured into this rant on what could be the best idea a group of people ever came up with.
And for all that, WAZZUB doesn’t even ask for any money. Today or tomorrow. Never, it will always be free to all members who join today or next year.
But no, WAZZUB is a big scam because they want to give back to the community that made them great. There are two sides to every story.
HOW TO DETECT THESE FAKE COMPANIES?
One of methods I used was to google the names of the pre-IPO shares, in quotes, one by one.
This method revealed a couple of possible frauds:
**** apollocapitalgroup[dot]co/pages/investor-centre/portfolio.php?lang=EN
**** morningstarventure.homestead[dot]com/
**** american-bankers-network[dot]com/asset-management-en.php
The method also revealed some affiliates of U.S. Corporation Services, Inc.
**** imvc[dot]com/3/33%20sale.html
**** wbc-ltd[dot]de/html/details.html
**** etc-lowtax[dot]net/english/index.html
**** firma-ausland[dot]de/zwang.htm
**** arwid[dot]eu/Vermittlung-von-US-Corporation/unsere-angebote.htm
* * * * * * * * * * *
ADDITIONAL INFO
NOTE:
I haven’t found any “easy” method yet to detect fake companies or possible investment frauds.
@Steve
What does that have to do with a massively flawed revenue generation stream?
You Wazzub members seem to be heavily touting the ‘nobody can predict if this will work or not’ line.
Of course it can be predicted, Wazzub aren’t bringing anything new to the table so where is the demand for it? Yahoo etc. already tried this web portal + ads nonsense and it failed.
Promising people returns from non-existent advertisers isn’t going to change anything.
So you do NOT have any SPECIFIC observations, do you? Like pointing out problems with the analysis, or better information, and so on?
That would make your comment a baseless rant, or a troll attempt. Just say something to rile someone up.
Again, it may have a business model that is not a pyramid scheme, but it is ALREADY misrepresenting itself, given that its public profile doesn’t match the rest of company info. There MAY be some innocent explanations, but there are opportunities out there that doesn’t raise such questions.
But you only see the greatness, not the problems.
@Steve
“The great Gee DaCosta” or the unknown European are free to tell their stories, if they like?
I’ll admit that I haven’t been able to see how great they really are, or maybe how great they feel they are, or maybe how great they want people to believe they are? So far I have mostly seen a lot of faking.
“Giving back to the community” shouldn’t be any problem. I have no plans for interfering with WAZZUB’s activities, so they can “give back” all they want. I have already stated that I don’t want to “chase” anyone. Identifying the PRE-IPO SHARES as “worthless” shouldn’t interfere with their ability to give back?
It would have been far more easy if they had told the truth about GIT Global Investments Inc. instead of faking.
Just out of curiosity, why is it that every single time a new company launches people tent to find the negitive? What gives you the right to destroy someone elses dreams just because you don’t believe in it or understand it?
This company is not even launched yet and all I hear is negitive feedback, from all of the nay sayers. I guess that’s what makes inventors and visionaries stronger. It doesn’t matter what you think or say. It’s what the creator of the product or sevice believes in themselves.
You see this has been going on since Noah building the Ark. People thought he was crazy and just didn’t believe in what God told hime to do. What happened, his family and the animals were saved everyone else missed the boat and drowned.
Bottom line is this, many people have done some weird and crazy things in the past that we just didn’t understand or even believe it was possible. They proved us wrong, because they were fighters and determined.
So what they had to start over. So what they had to change a name. So what you don’t understand or get it. So what if they failed, if you don’t fail you will never learn.
So instead of putting people down why not give contructive criticism. Make an effort to help them. It really shouldn’t be a problem to reach out to them when you are all in their personal business anyway.
They don’t. We’re talking specifically about Wazzub here.
It’s the fact that it’s wholly understood that there’s no reliable revenue generation within the Wazzub business model that justifies criticism of it.
Belief has nothing to do with it.
If by stronger you mean stupid, then sure.
If you understand that Wazzub are bringing nothing new to the table and seem to think advertisers will flock to them because they have users (who are only there because the company promised them some money), you have no excuse if you then decide to invest.
Or in other words, in a business sense you’re an idiot.
Again, Wazzub’s business model is wholly understood – that’s the problem. And once more, belief has nothing to do with it.
Don’t try to relaunch what is already out there, unless you bring something new to the table you’re just going to fail.
The beliefs of the creator(s) of Wazzub are irrelevant to the success of the business itself – that alone is judged by the model they are using. As it stands, that model is hopelessely flawed.
Sidenote: I’m starting to observe a disturbing pattern here. Do Wazzub members have any other defence of the business model other than ‘we believe’?
Seriously, you guys are bloody hopeless at addressing the criticisms raised here.
@Tracy Carter
I don’t think a review will destroy anyone’s dreams, unless they dream of something that is dependant of gullibility from each and everyone? Anyway, most people that should join this will join it regardless of facts, as long as they’re promised some “rewards”.
I have never been able to convince anyone from joining a scheme or something. People will usually convince themselves of what they really wants to do.
WAZZUB:
They raised some different concerns in their marketing methods, when they pretended to be a $60 million corporation. They can’t expect each and everyone to be impressed by this idea?
The disadvantage with “fake it till you make it” is that you can’t fool everyone. Often people are only fooling themselves, and maybe some “followers”. Most of these “followers” will ignore any negativity as long as the opportunity promises to pay them.
If the idea of “giving back to the community” mostly revolves around PRE-IPO SHARES then they can still continue with this idea. The “followers” will gladly accept these shares as long as they can sell them within a community. Any experienced investor wouldn’t have accepted them, anyway.
Maybe they should try to tell us about the idea instead of trying to convince us with “marketing language”?
Here’s my efforts to help them:
* The “fake it till you make it” is only a bad habit, it’s not a recipe for success. The habit makes you look LESS trustworthy, and some people will consider it to be unattractive rather than attractive.
* You have major flaws in your ideas if they include that each and everyone should be gullible. Dreams and ideas should both be realistic and believable. Being dependant of gullibility in a market isn’t very realistic, even if you believe in this idea yourself.
“Honest Gee DaCosta” and the other guy(s) are welcomed to tell the story from their viewpoint. I have been too busy identifying and sorting different sources of information, so I haven’t looked into different viewpoints yet.
maybe…(just maybe)..this will be the start of something big..how did facebook start??..word of mouth..
so I spent 5 minutes shooting out a blog to safe sites..nothing gained..nothing lost..except for 5 minutes of my life..(have 16 people under me)
With a little bit of support and positivity…things can happen…its not like we had to pay for it..Go for it GEE!!!
@DJ
This site should be unbiased, or at least have a “balance” between different opinions, so I’ll guess Oz will welcome any positive comments.
We wouldn’t have been unbiased if we hadn’t pointed out any concerns, like those issues with the “$60 million corporation”. Currently this site is the only site that tells something close to the truth about this company (I checked 80 hits).
In the long term, being close to the truth is far more valuable for most readers than being positive or negative.
Searchresults are currently being “drowned” by people trying to be very positive about WazzUB. In marketing this is usually a mistake, since there’s no need to “drown” a market if you have a good product.
The first payday is May 15th? I’ll believe you will have spent more “5 minutes of your life” until then?
Facebook started with word of mouth and no promises, WazzUB started with promises to pay and attempts to drown internet with marketing.
Well well well.
The real truth is I don’t care and have signed up. it took me less then 5 minutes and that’s it. now I have 11 members under me within 3 days and growing. Not to mention the 2, 3 4 etc down link
I hope this works and the people believe in it and join and support it, that’s all. Remember Homepage to be Wazzub ya. I already have my homepage as wazzub.
If it fails, what then? Life goes on and if it succeeds still life goes on. That’s all there is to this.
We don’t have to do any work or pay any money so whats the problem?
Critics will always be there, and most of the time they just need to find faults or being paid to do so. They the critics have nothing better to do then bark.
To the critics, why don’t you go make an official police report, and also report to the ministry of trade, multimedia etc. Do something as you all the critics seem to be knowing so much and yet just barking and not doing anything about it. Remember this is international fraud if it is. What say you all? Otherwise I suggest you keep your taught’s to your self.
You think the authorities are not aware of this? I am a Malaysian and have used my link to invite many prominent people including police officers in USA. Included in the invitation is to President Obama, Mayar of NY, Police chief of various state etc etc. If its a fraud case then somebody better do something fast.
Opps, they are legal now and have not committed any crimes yet. We think they going to do this and that so we want to stop them by barking. You only think you don’t act. I challenge the critics to lodge a report. What about being innocent till proven guilty??
Somewhere in this forum says only members will use the site so it wont benefit advertisers. Also stated advertisers are only interested in serious web users.
Well who are not serious web users, is a gamer not?, those who surf porn sites are not serious users? I can go on on and on.
Let say its only the less smart that signup for wazzub, wow what will be the count of that no? Just imagine all this members have wazzub as their homepage uses the facilities within the homepage then what happens. Oh ya we the less smart must be watching porn, or playing games or hitting on women on social networks from the site, but still is it not traffic? Advertisers want serious traffic like us not you the critics.
You the critics go to all the government or whatever sites to find you facts which don’t make any scene and bark about it. Just imagine Advertiser advertising only on those sites, sorry for them.
Oh forgot Google has got the best search engine so nobody can beat them. Hello it was somebody’s idea and he placed it correctly.
Now what make you the critics think that there isn’t somebody with a better idea and or formula for a search engine or a portal ? You must be joking to ask wazzub to reveal it now. You want Wazzub to reveal it if they have it so you can pass it to whoever is paying U.
Who is the owner of facebook when it started? How much cash did he have? Don’t forget history.
Why is facebook, google etc all quiet about it?
a. They are watching closely to see if it has substance and not to just bark.
b. They facebook, google etc are paying you guys to bark like dogs to kill this idea due to fear.
You see how things can go both ways.
To everybody, support Wazzub, you have nothing to loose. Worst case the concept fails and it wont effect U.
Like I said the members of wazzub will grow and as members we know life goes on if it fails and so does if it succeeds. We are not depending on it. We a supporting a concept which is right and if we get paid for it fine.
We will do our bit to share and support it.
Power of The People “We power”
Points To consider for those wanting to join
1. What is my investment?
Less then 5 minutes thats all nothing else and have wazzub as the home page.
2. What if it fails?
You will be where you are now.
3. What if they are just collecting email?
If the Wazzub fails I will change my email or you can register a new email just to register with wazzub. Simple.
4. What if Wazzub is a hit and they dont pay?
Simple remove them from homepage and dont visit the site. They are dead.
5. What if at a later stage they ask to make a payment to be an official registered member?
Quit wazzub and similar actions as above.
6. What If I receive spam because I registered with Wazzub?
Are you not getting spam now? There is also this called junk that you can set remember.
Is this rocket science that all the Pandit Critics don’t see?
We the People Power “We Power” as you mentioned to be less productive or smart to be on line understands clearly with any ulterior motive or complicating things.
I sincerely hope the dogs will stop barking from now on and consider action. We had enough of your barking.
The Less Smart One
David
@David
Nothing in your wall of text addresses or changes the fact that Wazzub’s current business model is rubbish.
You might enjoy blindly signing up to any opportunity that comes your way but that’s no reason to discourage objective analysis of the business model.
You mention Facebook and Google, well both of these made their names with the tech behind them… not mashing together existing ideas that already existed and hoping for the best (and then, even that in itself isn’t new).
Finally, as for your investment – bet it took you longer than 5 minutes to write all that… which for someone who professes he ‘doesn’t care’, seems like an awful lot of caring effort.
The real truth is you can only regurgitate their marketing spin. You have no specific objections, observations, or corrections other than “I hate your negativity”.
There you go again.
Go make a polis report against Wazzub.
Stop barking its a challange
What exactly is the challenge?
Wazzub has no new ideas, no new technology and no new innovation.
Companies have already tried the ‘do-everything’ web portal and it has failed miserably. The problem wasn’t that they weren’t sharing revenue with users, the problem was that there wasn’t enough revenue generated to sustain the business model, period.
PS. Why do you need a police report to see that a business model is rubbish?
I think you’re confusing ‘illegal’ with ‘business model that will fail to generate enough revenue to keep the company afloat’.
[quote]You think the authorities are not aware of this? I am a Malaysian and have used my link to invite many prominent people including police officers in USA. Included in the invitation is to President Obama, Mayar of NY, Police chief of various state etc etc. If its a fraud case then somebody better do something fast.[/quote]
You tried to spam the president of the USA ???
@David You must be Nuts only an complete mental case would think he’d bother to join anything on the net… but then again you did sign up for Wazzub…Looks like someone left the gate to the asylum open again
Malaysia otherwise known as little Nigeria
@Oz
Add 1-2 lines in the beginning of the article …
* before the quoting from Wazzub’s own webpage
* to separate this review from their marketing efforts
… as it appears in searchengines?
You can try to google “wazzub” to see what I mean. In search for wazzub this review appears as number 8 or 9, with a headline “Another useless …”, then it starts to repeat the company’s own statements – making this review look very similar to all those “false warnings” out there.
The first few lines in an article is usually what appears as “description” when people search for a company.
@David
This review isn’t a threat to WazzUB. People who wants to join will do it anyway, so we’re not trying to convince anyone from joining.
We’re aimed towards different markets. WazzUB tries to attract “income opportunity seekers”, and this site tries to offer a solution to those who wants to avoid all the junk out there.
WazzUB isn’t exactly the first “home made plan” I have seen, where the inventors are overwhelmed with feelings for their own geniality, or where supporters believes it may be the next big thing.
We have only raised a few “red flags”, and most “income opportunity seekers” will ignore red flags, anyway. The red flags are meant for those who don’t want to waste time on several opportunities each year, even if each opportunity may be the next big thing.
The major red flag here is that they expected people in general to be gullible and unexperienced, included people outside their “community”.
[…] […]
@Oz
Here’s how this article appear in a search-engine:
Most people looking for facts will skip this article, and select other hits instead. They find exactly the same text here as they find in most other hits.
People need more info than just a headline when they search for info. They will usually read the text too, before they decide if they want to click. Most of us will select before we click, and we will skip some of the hits.
In relation to search-engines, the first few lines of an article should contain the most important parts of the article – a short version of what people can expect to find if they read it. Here it seems like we can find an exact copy of Wazzub’s own marketing? 🙂
There are some major concerns about WazzUB’s finances, the fake “$60 million corporation” with the fake “$2 million invested in WazzUB”. Pre-IPO shares are not the same as capital, and such shares are often used in fraud.
Go where?
Why?
Challenge to do what? You have no specific objections to the truthfulness of the individual points raised about Wazzub. You just don’t like our tone and what we digged up. YOU are the one BARKING.
Thanks for the suggestion M_Norway. I read your comment yesterday and meant to change it but got distracted with something. I’ll update it now, although I imagine it’ll take a few days for Google to change the listing.
So how quick do you think it will be before Wazzub collapses? I give it 2 months.
Depends how many months they’re willing to operate at a loss. They have to pay out commissions from launch as advertiser revenue will fail to match it for a long time.
MLM companies generally don’t last too long once they start operating at a loss, and with Wazzub pretty much guaranteed to open its doors at a loss – perhaps a few months is all it will take.
They have delayed their first ordinary payment till May 15th, so they won’t have much losses until then. In business we don’t consider it a loss before we pay.
In the short term they have a few expenses related to paying participants:
* $1,500 in January, as rewards in recruiting competition
* $1,500 in February
* $1,500 in March
In middle of May they have “Meet the team in Las Vegas, all expenses paid”, for the total winner of the recruiting contest.
They also have possible income sources. When I checked yesterday they had 4 new webpages from 1 advertizer (or something similar). These webpages have disappeared now, when I use the same keywords as yesterday:
site:wazzub.info -signup.wazzub.info
The names of the 4 webpages was something like this:
* FIXING WATER DAMAGE
* FIXING SEWER DAMAGE
* (some similar problem)
* (some similar problem)
I believe loss of excitement will be a bigger problem than loss of money. People loose interest pretty soon when they don’t see any money. Most people won’t like to wait 4.5 months to get paid.
It is legal to register a bunch of dummy corporations that own each other. It looks shady as heck, but it’s legal. So far, I see only misrepresentation, but no outright fraud.
FYI, another scam investigator shared this observation:
http://www.popehat.com/2011/09/12/anatomy-of-a-scam-investigation-chapter-two/
Chapter Six is especially useful: it highlights the agencies and resources you can use to chase down scammers:
http://www.popehat.com/2011/09/22/anatomy-of-a-scam-investigation-chapter-six/
Just a thought. So what if this great company sends an email to the 100,000+ new members generated prior to their April Fool’s day launch with details on how to setup their new (insert wazzub pay portal system name here) asking all members who wish to get paid to sign up for the payment system (which happens to be elaborately faked), THEN SIPHON MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, CLOSE ALL THE DOORS AND DISAPPEAR? There a plenty of people foolish enough to sign up and attach their bank account info in an attempt to get paid thinking it’s all legit. Might be a neat lead up to an incredible heist. Just saying…
@pragmatic — I don’t think we’re supposed to review fiction here. 🙂 But it’s known to happen.
If you read the link above I gave to Popehat, you’ll find that the particular scammer had pulled off something similar on a lesser scale.
Here’s some info related to the former registrant of wazzub.info and wazzub.com. It reminds a lot of a Ponzi scheme. “Invest as little as $4,000, 14.9 percent return per year, over a period of 3-5 years”.
I’ll bet IGV and UAC don’t have the necessary registrations for dealing with investments.
“Internet Global Value, Inc.”
*** www[dot]internetglobalvalue.com/en/
The $140 million sounds very familiar.
United American Capital Corporation (UACC) real company
United American Capital Corporation (UAC) faked clone
*** www[dot]unitedamericancapital.co/
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Google-search also indicated 15-20 other domains related to IGV Internet Global Value Inc., but they may be old and outdated.
One example:
PriventUre.com
www[dot]aboutus.org/PriventUre.com
@Oz
Adding an extra line in the beginning of this article fixed the search results problem.
Google doesn’t like searchresults that are too similar to each other, so usually it’s wise to avoid too much quoting in important parts of an article.
Cheers M_Norway.
Duplicate content is only really an issue if you’re copy and pasting large portions of text with nothing of added value. Where this duplicate content appears (the “important parts” etc.) is largely unimportant in terms of SEO I believe.
Ok OK OK Dang,
To all the nay sayers why don’t you just sign up. See if it works then and only then can you say something that is worth listening to. Right now no one knows anything, and we won’t know until they launch in April. So for now get a grip.
All of this back and forward is just plain stupid.
@Tracy
If someone came up with a business model that promised massive profit share and all you had to do was throw your life savings off the top of a cliff into the ocean, would you join the company and participate?
We know Wazzub’s business model and as it stands it’s hopeless. You don’t have to join the company and ‘wait and see’ to figure it out – there’s no unknown variables here.
@Tracy Carter
We don’t have to join to see that they have made lots of misleading statements, do we? Usually it’s easier to see something when you’re not involved in an opportunity. The misleading statements are the fake “$60 million corporation” and the “$2 million investment”.
Those who were most interested have already joined, so this website won’t affect the recruiting. It may affect some of those who prefer information before they join, but there’s lots of people it won’t affect.
Gee DaCosta and the unknown owner from Europe are welcome to post corrections if they like? I won’t bother to “chase” them for corrections, since I don’t think the information here should be any problem.
Currently, WazzUB seems to be a recruitment portal for some other businesses, a “honeypot” that will attract people to join for free, with promises of payments for recruiting.
The only other businesses I have discovered so far seems to be fake investment opportunities – basically “worthless” companies that pretends to be real investments – a combination that is more commonly used in fraud than in real business.
@Oz
I don’t do any SEO, so I don’t have any expert opinions, either.
Most of my SEO is based on providing readers with useful information, make more readers actually use the information. I do some corrections only if it’s needed, like adjusting the title or the first few lines.
This article currently has a stable position as number 3 in searchresults, and this means some people are clicking on this entry from time to time. It’s only preceeded by WazzUB’s Facebook-page and my own posting in Webforumet.no, when I search “wazzub” from Norway.
5 days ago the position was number 8 or 9, and rapidly declining to 11 or 12. That’s why I suggested to make some minor changes.
Usually Google won’t like searchresults that are too identhical, and 5 days ago most of the results was very identhical to each other – all of them stating WazzUB’s own marketing statements. 5 days later all the “top tens” are unidenthical, so I’ll guess Google is trying to push identhical results further down in the searchresults.
By the way, I never use any “smart tricks” to get a higher rank in searchresults, like trying to “manipulate” the results by clicking on my own stuff. It will only provide me with misleading information if I do so. I don’t exaggerate the use of links either.
In the long term, the contents of an article will be more important than some short term results in a searchengine. That’s why I’m not very interested in most SEO-techniques.
Why? Are you throwing down a “dare”? What are you? 6 years old? I *dare* you to try this scam?
Yep, you are indeed being stupid. You’re also being childish.
My personal review of Wazzub is up:
http://kschang.hubpages.com/hub/Researching-a-company-online-is-it-a-scam-or-not-This-is-how-to-do-it-yourself-DIY
My conclusion: it’s not a scam per se, as it doesn’t charge money, but the fact it hides its ownership and business location through registration agents is troubling, and its claimed business model is clearly doomed to failure.
Review updated: an address for physical location was discovered:
WAZZUB International
GIT Global Investments Inc.
7251 West Lake Mead Boulevard
Suite 364
Las Vegas, NV 89128
USA
This is from an alleged e-mail sent by Wazzub to prospective members for signup.
The location is a real office building… but it also offers virtual office services. Thus, status is undetermined (probably real though).
Also, the reference to personal services have disappeared. It’s now listed under investment through Lookupbook.com
Still don’t see anything else to recommend it, of course.
I noticed this “moneymaking opporunity” on the internet this morning and particularly their claim to make $4000 per month passive income for the rest of ones life, drew my attention.
WAZZUP mentions that Google has a billion users
WAZZUP mentions that Google made $3 Billion profit.
My assumption therefore is that Google made 3 Billion profit with 1 billion users.
WAZZUP furthermore claims that they will keep 50% and 50% will be paid out to users MLM way.
Logically this implies that, even if WHAZZUP gets as many users as Google and makes as much money as Google they will pay out $1.5Billion to the users(Half of what Google makes as per their business model)
Therefore 1 billion people should each make $4000 per month on 5 refferals – that is $48000 per year. To finance their commission payouts per annum they therefore need $48000 Billion!
I am not sure how they are going to stretch $1,5 Billion to become $48000 Billion!
@J Venter — you also have to keep in mind that 1) Google was there first, and 2) Google took 13 YEARS (founded 1998) to get this far. To me Wazzub is merely a massive e-mail harvesting hoax, and if they do launch, they’ll just enroll in Adsense or AdChoice and give you half of that.
@K.Chang. The thought of email harvesting also crossed my mind.
Nonetheless, there is at least something positive here – nobody loses anything as they dont need to pay anything – the only irritation to consumers will propably be al the new spam that may fill their inboxes
It’s only common sense, which 99% of the people looking for extra dollars on the internet don’t have. A legit opportunity, company will list all information about themselves, the complete payment/s plan and schedule, will answer all questions in a prompt manner and won’t deceive the public in any way at all.
Most people are brain washed on the idea of no recruiting and the money flows in. lol People don’t realize a real business/opportunity requires work for you to succeed.
I agree, WAZZUB is a waste of time and effort, and probably down the road will turn out to be a scam.
I’m still a little curious on what the plans have been her.
They have at least 3 different fake companies:
* United American Capital Corporation (UAC)
* IGV Internet Global Value, Inc.
* GIT Global Investments, Inc.
* UAC is a lookalike of a real investment company (UACC), and owns IGV.
* IGV was registrant for Wazzub.info and Wazzub.com in June 2011. They registered 15-20 domains in 2011 (May – December).
* IGV seems to be an investment scam, a fake investment company.
* UAC seems to be used to make IGV look more “real”, “trustworthy” and “solid”.
Their MAIN INTEREST here should then be “INVESTMENTS”, offering pre-IPO shares to unexperienced investors.
As far as I can see, WazzUB can be
* a recruitment system for unexperienced investors
* an investment object offered to unexperienced investors recruited elsewhere.
* an indirect investment object, owned by GIT
* or a combination of these?
The people who joined WazzUB in the beginning seemed to be pretty unexperienced as investors. “If they believe in this they will believe in everything” seems to be a good idea. I’m pretty sure some of them will be willing to accept payment in shares “at a reduced price”. 🙂
WazzUB can also act as a “proof” for the fact that an investment is “real”, a real website with real users. Unexperienced investors will usually avoid asking difficult questions if an investment looks real, if they can SEE some real PROOF of a real investment.
My guessing here is:
Internet Global Value Inc. is designed to attract investors.
… and offer shares in GIT Global Investments Inc.
… that owns the famous website WazzUB, with xxx users, and an “estimated value” of yyy million dollars. “Buying shares in this will be the investment of your life”. 🙂
GIT is also a soundalike to “Global Investment Technologies” of Canada.
@M_Norway: so what you’re saying is this is like a more sophisticated version of pump-and-dump?
So. I received an invitation. Being of a suspicious mind, I did a bit of digging and ended up on this page. I found a few other interesting sites as well, but this one was by far the most instructive. I love the dialogue going on here and all the digging you guys have been doing, good job folks!
Anyway, I just wanted to respond to Tracy Carter, who wrote: “Just out of curiosity, why is it that every single time a new company launches people tent to find the negitive?”
I don’t remember hearing anything negative about Google or Facebook or Yahoo when they first launched. After, yes 😉 but it took quite a while for people to start pointing out flaws in the system… but nobody accused them EVER of being scams. Quite the opposite, actually.
You know, when something truly great and revolutionary comes along, people tend to FEEL it and there’s a real buzz that starts to spread and people flock to it like crazy. Aside from the above mentioned sites, YouTube is another good example of this.
I remember being first told of Google by some stranger who was telling me in an email how he’d found my website and I was really impressed by the interface right from the start, even though it was quite simple. It certainly never once crossed my mind to think of it as a scam. With wazzub, OTOH, it sounded fishy right from the start.
Remember: if it sounds too good to be true, it most likely is.
My point: if there’s ever even a little bit of doubt, you should take that as a red flag and become VERY suspicious. At the very least, do some research. With the internet, it has become extremely easy and quick to do this, and it typically brings up enough data to give you a clearer picture.
And when things start getting as convoluted as they seem to get when looking into wazzub, well, what else can I say but… run as far as you can in the opposite direction!
At least they’re not asking you to pay anything… yet. I suppose we should be grateful for small mercies, heh.
@oz
Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the end goal. I suspect at some point they’ll ask for bank information, supposedly so they can pay the members. Perhaps they’ll come up with something more twisted, like asking folks to transfer them money so they can unlock this or that or whatnot. But yeah, there has got to be money involved at some point.
Hi.
I’ve got an invitation today as well. I recognized it as first as a pyramid scheme, but then I realized that they aren’t asking for money and their MLM payout is limited to 5 generations only. I decided to register anyway. Took me 10 minutes to register and spread my link a bit.
I didn’t intend to bother much more with it, but I decided to research a bit anyway, just out of curiousity to see what I can realistically expect.
As for the business model itself, it looks too “magical” to be real and the fake information here and there is troubling. But it still seems to be too much of a hassle to go through just for some email harvesting. There are much simpler ways to get lots of active emails. In a metaphorical sense, they are just floating around the Internet and need to be harvested.
Maybe there is something more to it. There most probably isn’t. But to be honest, there are a few businesses that started secretly with ideas that didn’t seem too new or innovative as well (e.g. OnLive).
I think it’s a personal choice for every individual whether to register or not. But it’s irrational to blindly believe that this is the next big thing without any base.
I look at it this way: I spent a few minutes registering and referring and I spent some time researching. Heck, I was even reminded of the site:LINK-HERE trick to check site activity.
I just want to add: Thanks for putting all the effort into this gathering this information and making it easier for people to recognize problematic business models and possible scams.
@bb — but any one signing with for Wazzub are ACTIVELY SEEKING INCOME, which is different than some just randomly harvested email, and vastly more valuable to MLMers out to peddle their “next” opportunity.
My research on Gee DaCosta and Wazzub (linked above in comments) revealed he had been in at least six (if not more) MLM opportunities, and those are just ones he left evidence on the Internet.
As you said, it’s NOT an outright scam, as it didn’t ask for money, but what they claimed is pretty bogus. OnLive isn’t that new. “Phantom” console had that idea many years ago. Stealth opportunities are backed up by real people. When they need recruits, then they can no longer remain stealthy.
Their attempt to borrow credibility from Google and others is pretty pathetic and make them look even shadier.
@bb
One of the red flags here was “We believe most people are gullible”, related to those fake companies. I’ll guess they assumed this solution to be “smart” or something.
If you let people treat you as a gullible person even more people will start to do it, and you’ll soon be surrounded by people offering you “opportunities” designed for gullible persons. I simply don’t like that idea of being surrounded by scammers.
They first started those investment companies, so I’ll guess the main idea is an investment scam. WazzUB itself may be safe to join (if you don’t invest in anything there), but they may fail to pay if the main idea fails, or they may fail to pay for some other reasons.
The business idea itself isn’t sustainable if they have to pay $1 per recruitment 5 levels deep, each and every month. For me, this seemed more like a waste of time than a source of income.
By the way, the trick SITE:WEBSITE only worked in the Pre-PreLaunch period between December 19th and December 31st. The activity was a lot lower than they claimed. This trick is more useful in other situations, like on websites where you have to Login to get information available only for members.
I prefer sometimes to use some tricks openly to create some frustration, like “Oops, we hadn’t thought of that method”. In other situations I may prefer to not reveal any methods used, to create even more frustration, by letting people spend a lot of time guessing “How did he find this information?”. 🙂
WAZZUB= Email Harvesting.
Im not too sure if anybody else has had this but literally a day or so after signing up to wazzub i started recieving lots and lots of affiliated promotions to my inbox, some with no content but loads with content.
They were all different promotions but followed the exact same style with the exact same opt out message at the bottom. What was even more peculiar was that every message that looked the same but with something different to sell but in the same format but changed its address every single time at the bottom.
I opted out of quite a few of them just out of curiosity.Even though each different offer had a different company name and address they all took me to the same mundane opt out page, and im still recieving them to this day.
Is it just a coincidence or do like twenty different companies all out of coincidence just use the same auto-responders.I know damm well that i haven’t put my email addresses into that many forms online in under one day
I am very careful where i enter my email adress into online…….Maybe me being paranoid but i don’t think so. Why on earth would a company claiming to be able to pay out so much to its users use a free blogger subdomain platform for their promotions.
Surely if there was any truth behind wazzub then they would be a hell of alot more professional and have a real website.I have seen many promotions of new sites online over the years but wazzub just screams SCAM OF SOME SORT.The page looks like it has been screwed together by a twelve year old wannabe. Not very professional at all
Believe what you want to believe people but im walking the opposite direction. If making that kinda money online really was so easy then im sure it would of come out along time ago.
And as someone said above, what could they possibly bring to the table thats new. Im happy with google myself and definately won’t consider changing something that works for me and millions of others in the world.
Check the membership agreement, there’s probably a clause in there somewhere that says ‘you agree to receive messages from our partners’ or some such.
Given the uncovering of the cease and desist for precisely ‘having too many registered companies who aren’t what they are’, this I imagine is no co-incidence.
People should be going into Wazzub with their eyes wide open. April-June is going to be amusing to watch.
Well, technically the cease and desist was to William B. Halvorson, who had nothing to do with Wazzub or GIT Global Investments.
However, GIT Global Investments (head of Wazzub) is headed by a certain Cathy L. Halverson, and registered address of GIT Global Investment, in Oregon, is also home of William B. Halvorson. Innocent? Maybe.
Shady as heck? Absolutely.
Personally I think there’s just too many co-incidences here. If it’s within the family, relatives or acquantainces… either way it appears to be pretty much all connected in one way or another.
At the end of the day how these companies effectively function is more important then what is in whose name, and from the looks of it the affiliate offers of those running Wazzub are being for now heavily pushed on the members.
I suppose they’ve got to cover those recruitment commissions in the first few months somehow.
@adam
Ah yes! I’m glad you brought that up. That’s another thing that was bugging me, but forgot to mention it. A site that bad is just plain wrong and suspicious enough in itself.
@oz
You do realize what this means? They’ll be paying members (if they pay them all, I’m still quite skeptical about that) with money generated by the members themselves! I think that’s funny as Hell.
In any case, I’m also looking forward to the Grand Opening! 😉
I am looking forward to state of Oregon restarting their investigation. 😉
@K.Chang
Do you know something, have heard rumours or anything similar?
Most of these companies have been sold in Europe, and they’ve also mostly been used in the European market – in a few different scams. The main market seems to be Germany, and maybe some eastern European countries.
One of the fake companies I checked was operating in Spain and Germany – “Apollo Capital Group” or some similar name – and still active as far as I could see.
WazzUB seems to be part of a group:
* United American Capital Group (UAC)
* IGV Internet Global Value Inc.
– 15-20 domains registered in 2011 (mostly in June 2011)
* GIT Global Investments Inc.
* websites WAZZUB .com .info
@M_Norway: no, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Oregon slap Halvorson with a violation of their old cease and desist.
Thank you all for talking through this. I suspect that what we’ve got here, as already mentioned, is an email harvester.
Thats an easy to test theory!
I have a gmail account I use specifically for untrusted suspicious sites likw wuzzub. Instead of putting your real email account at risk create a new, unique gmail or yhoo or hotmail account. Then when you register at wuzzub make sure that the first name you use is wuzzub and your last name is junkmail.
Won’t then take us long to find out if they’re harvesting and then peddling email accounts 😉
Come on! If a company does not ask you to give,or invest money, does not ask you to ask others to pay, give, invest money or buy or sell, what is the big huge scam?
They do have a physical address with people that work there (assume vs fact is basically fear mongering) Check the facts.
Also, how can you predict whether it will fail or fly? It hasn’t even launched yet! I think all this is just taking speculation and running with it. They have stated clearly they will never distribute anyone’s email to any other business.
Get real and quit being paranoid! There are other REAL SCAMS out there that could be exposed and guess what? They actually take your MONEY!
You went there in person, yes? You saw these people working there with your own eyes, yes? And, BTW, which of the many addresses mentioned earlier would this be?
As far as I can tell, everything that’s been posted above is based on facts. But OK, I’m game, so let’s play.
– Fact #1: The site looks like it was made by a kid. Not professional.
– Fact #2: Likewise, their webinars look like crap.
– Fact #3: What’s so innovative about Wazzub? They compare it to google and all the other stuff they mention are things you can already find in many other places.
– Fact #4: Wazzub is owned by a company with undeniable links to scammers, as shown above.
And I’m sure I’ve overlooked some other facts.
Right. Please do let me know the next time you see a scam site that clearly states that they will scam you. I’d be most interested in seeing this 😀
Thank You Jamie, I agree with you 100%.
As for Junkmail, every business out here is harvesting names and emails wether you relize it or not.
When you go to the doctors office and you sign in, they are harvesting your name for one reason or the other. Insurance companies, your local food store, gas stations(when you you get the discount card) credit card companies, car dealerships. Anytime you fill out the survey for the restaurant or a major department store.
Newspapers subscription, health clubs and the school your kids go to. Everybody some where is doing the same thing. So don’t start crying now, you should have been crying when it started happening in your community long ago.
To the person who said they signed up their email and started getting emails from their affilates. I would like to know what companies because I too am a member and I haven’t gotten one yet.
That’s probably came from some crap you signed up for before you even got into Wazzub.
It’s not a scam that it’ll take your money, but it’s a scam in the sense that they lied or glossed over a ton of things.
The physical address was never published on the website or WHOIS records, only from an email that was never repeated on the website. Those *are* the facts. Until someone goes physically to their location and publish pictures of employees, owners, and such, office remains UNVERIFIED.
Honestly, do you think their 20 ‘specialists’ (that they claimed) have a chance going up against 30000+ employees of Google in coming up with some brilliant Internet thingie? If you do, I have some beachfront property in Arizona you may be interested in…
Considering they have NO reputation behind them, anything they claim must be taken with a few packets of salt.
This one takes your hopes and dreams, AND your email address (and possibly identity later, to pay you, they claim). Not all scams are financial. I didn’t say it’s a scam, just that it’s unlikely ever to succeed and thus one wonders what is the TRUE purpose of this whole thing.
In what? That it’s not a scam that takes your money, so what’s the harm in trying it?
How about… colossal waste of time?
So you’re saying that e-mail address harvesting is “no big deal”, and “not evil”?
It is evil *if* the whole thing’s a hoax to get you to put in your email address. That would make it a fraud and scam. As explained before, Wazzub’s 20 or so “specialists” really have no hope of going up against Google’s 30000+ employees (most of whom are engineers) when it comes to Internet innovation. And unless there’s an audited employee list this 20+ specialist claim is unverified (whereas Google’s employee count is published in news reports and corporate reports).
More samples are needed to establish causation. Right now we barely have any correlation.
@Jamie
I don’t expect any scams related directly to WazzUB, except that they may not be able to keep their promised level of income for very long time, the “$1 for each member in your downline, 5 levels deep”. Actually, they have only promised to share half of their “net income” or something, but most people have believed in the example of “1 buck per member”.
I haven’t evaluated any other possible scams directly related to WazzUB.
I do suspect some sort of scam in relation to some of the other fake companies they seems to be connected to:
* United American Capital Group (UAC)
* Internet Global Value Inc. IGV
* GIT Global Investments Inc.
* any other fake companies or websites they may have.
These kinds of companies are most commonly used in scams. At an early stage the “$2 million investment” was a central part of the marketing, making the “Honest Gee DaCosta” sound like a bad joke or something when we discovered the truth.
I don’t see any need at all to have WazzUB backed up by fake investment capital from more than one company? Adding more fake companies as “investors” or “partners” doesn’t actually make the business look more “trustworthy”?
It seems more like “Honest Gee DaCosta” believes people are plain stupid, and willing to ignore any red flags as long as they’re promised some money? He may actually be right, too. People seems to be willing to ignore red flags when they are promised money, and when they don’t feel any risk of loosing some of their own.
“If it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck”, and so on. They doesn’t actually quack and walk very trustworthy? The few quacks from Gee DaCosta in the videos didn’t actually convince me. 🙂
Bogus argument: “everybody else is doing it” doesn’t make it any less bad.
“Everybody else” is smoking (at least a while back). Does it make it any less bad to smoke?
If this is the sort of people Wazzub is attracting I can see they are doomed.
Response to: You went there in person, yes? You saw these people working there with your own eyes, yes? And, BTW, which of the many addresses mentioned earlier would this be?
Have you been there in person to prove there is NO such physical office? They have an office, receptionist, and share corporate board rooms (oh no..actual witnesses to their actual office) That office would be the headquarters in Las Vegas.
Response to: the physical address was never published on the website or WHOIS records, only from an email that was never repeated on the website.
There are hundreds of thousands businesses not published on WHOIS, Based on your logic, all these businesses must be deceptive,sneaky, scam businesses. Who knew?
Response to: This one takes your hopes and dreams, AND your email address (and possibly identity later, to pay you, they claim). Not all scams are financial. I didn’t say it’s a scam, just that it’s unlikely ever to succeed and thus one wonders what is the TRUE purpose of this whole thing.
It is the “and probably” where you go wrong. They have stated they will not violate the privacy of emails they received. IF they ever do “harvest emails” for a devious plot, feel free to go nuts and slander them all you want!
@Jamie
Because ‘losing money’ isn’t the definition or sole requirement of a scam.
‘But we don’t ask for money’ defence is usually always trotted out in these cases and it always falls flat.
Because we’ve seen the business model and neither the internet or MLM is new. Both have a long history and when you analyze Wazzub’s business model within both the context of MLM and the internet it’s clear this isn’t going to work as planned. Nothing they are doing hasn’t been already tried before and in every instance it’s massively failed.
That wasn’t the question. You put it out there that these guys are legit with offices, what were you basing it on?
When it comes to MLM, yes. There’s a reason I put a blanket disclaimer advising extreme caution on any MLM company that hides ownership details.
Oh, well if they say so…
A little creative writing,internet detective work and conjecture doesn’t count as “evidence” or “fact”. It is one thing to advise caution and a whole other thing to paint a company black based on conjecture.That is a bad as what you claim this business is doing in my book.
And what does, your unsubstantiated opinion?
Between the two I know which one I’m backing.
If the shoe fits. We have the business model that is fundamentally flawed, a bit of info about those running the company that is thus far universally negative and… well, you don’t exactly need conjecture to get it.
Then it’s a crappy book indeed. I suggest you get a refund.
You can’t seem to separate the FACTS from the ANALYSIS. You don’t agree with the analysis, but denying facts along with the analysis means you have a reverse confirmation bias: you don’t believe facts you don’t agree with.
The FACT is Wazzub has NO verifiable backing, registered in Oregon, mailing address in California, and operates out of Nevada (so they claim). Its registered business location in Oregon has previously been issued “cease and desist” by State of Oregon for falsely using Investment/Trust/Banking in its titles without authority to register such businesses. And “GIT Global Investment”, the company that registered Wazzub.com has exactly that. It claims a lot of things, but none of the claims or projections can be verified, and its stories keep changing. At least a couple pages have been UNLINKED from its homepage (but still found on Google)
The FACT is Gee DaCosta, the “master distributor” of Wazzub (distribute what exactly?) is a serial MLMer who was in at least six different MLMs peddling one thing after another.
Feel free to dispute ANY OF THESE FACTS, IF YOU CAN.
You may disagree with what all this adds up to. That is analysis, but if you deny FACTS, then you are not using your brain at all.
Whatever dude, hey I hear there’s a witch hunt in Salem tommorow, the internet says some people have been seen with brooms! You in?
Oh yeah…does Gee DaCosta have a criminal record or is it just because he likes MLM that he’s a bad guy?
Wrong, that is what they CLAIMED to be their office. The las Vegas address has never appeared on any FORMAL DOCUMENTATION, such as company records, domain registration records, and such.
Irrelevant derail attempt. We’re not talking about other businesses. We’re talking about Wazzub. Try again.
And we’re supposed to trust some NONAME company on the Internet with NO VERIFIABLE backing, a hidden physical address, and word of ONE serial MLMer, that they will protect your privacy and never sell your e-mail address? Heck, do you even know who they REALLY are?
You are FAR TOO TRUSTING to others with your information.
And that would be the sound of ‘I have nothing to counter your facts, so I’m just going to reply with garbage and try to derail the discussion’.
Thanks for playing, and good luck with your next scam – maybe you’ll strike it rich there yet…
Who said he did?
The fact that Gee DaCosta has NO reputation other than pushing one MLM after another would suggest that his title of “master distributor” at Wazzub is bogus.
And thus far he’s the ONLY ONE with a real name attached to Wazzub (other than people who joined and tried to sign other people up) Add that to all the other questionable company information discovered thus far, and it’s another question mark on the trustworthiness of the company.
Apparently, your own threshold of trustworthiness is pretty low: just about anything published on the Internet, you will believe, except those you don’t agree with.
I guess he is a bad guy because he likes MLM then…Hate to rile you up so much but again your “facts” are conjecture and you are the one who believes everything published on the internet (take a second look at all your “facts”, weren’t they all based on what was published on the internet?)
I’ll give you the last blast now, your posts are getting too repetitive to respond to (but I do enjoy the half quotes you use that I’ve written, nice technique).
Aww diddums, now we’re going to play the ‘well you all must hate MLM’ card too?
Schucks…
Documents published by the US government, WHOIS records and company registration papers?
Yeah no… that’s much less credible than the source of your ‘facts’ – that being your arse.
That’s the thing about solid analysis, if it’s good the first time around there’s no need to re-invent the wheel each time the latest person to join Wazzub shows here and bangs the ‘huh, Wazzub don’t charge you anything so how can it be a scam?’ drum.
please, remember AGLOCO
I didn’t say he’s a bad guy. I said he’s not believable given his history of MLM switching. Two very different things.
WHOIS records and government records on business registration are published on the Internet too. So are newspapers, encyclopedias, and such. Do you not believe those? Again, you gave ANOTHER bogus argument. Try again.
Same to you. Thus far your reasons for refuting people who doubt Gee DaCosta and Wazzub are bogus… several times over.
Look up “logical fallacies” while you’re at it.
Wow. This is funny as hell. Especially coming from you.
Look back to my response to your initial message. I answered pretty extensively to your message.
Now look at your reply to my answer. You only quoted ONE of the many points I made, ignoring all the important FACTS you were whining about wanting.
Talking about half quotes and a nice technique… Nice attempt at reverse psychology, Jaime, but that won’t work with people who know how to use their brains.
Apparently Jamie took this document too seriously:
http://ericnewland.hubpages.com/hub/argue-internet
(note: this is a satirical piece, but apparently some people didn’t notice, much like Republicans praising Stephen Colbert)
Wazzub is similar to Yuwie, that went out of business after having 2,000,000 members and over two years live.
Now there is PeopleString, they have some features that could make it good.
The insta portal is a good thing to have. All your favorite sites in one portal. The real earnings are for US and Canada residents.
All others (international) only make cents.
I earned 20 cents in one month. I have had over 10,000 points. I have over 500 referrals.
Probably millions of newbies will fall for Wazzub.
Get a grip already. The more you talk the less since you make. Tell it to the half a million people that already joined. obviously they don’t care what you or any other nay sayer says.
@TracyCarter — of course people who joined don’t care about “naysayers”, neither did the people who joined Madoff’s Ponzi scheme. Plenty of people raised questions about Madoff, few listened.
As I’ve said before, Wazzub’s not a scam that takes a chunk of your money, but chance of it becoming anything significant is negligible, therefore the amount of enthusiasm displayed by individuals such as yourself is both interesting, and disturbing.
It is as if you WANT to believe with little basis, and thus far, you’ve yet to come up with any solid reason on WHY you believe in it so much. care to explain your thinking?
COME ON GUYS!!, GIVE WAZZUB A BREAK!, WHEN IN LIFE DID YOU NOT EVER LIE!….
WAZZUB offered a free opp to earn money and you’re not gonna lose anything, so join up and shut up!..
Just build yourself a small list and promote wazzub to your new list, just in case it happen….
Really…? You’re going to condone businesses lying now? Well that’s a new low for Wazzub’s members.
You mentioned that your not going to lose anything… have you ever stopped to consider that with each promotion of a dead-end opportunity like Wazzub to the poor schmucks on your list, you’re losing copious amounts of credibility?
Just because it’s free doesn’t mean you should join it.
So did you just accepted that Wazzub is a lie?
If they can lie about other things, as you accepted, why would you believe them about “free opp to earn money”?
LMAO. No, seriously? Holy cow. I don’t even know where to start with this one…
OK, so basically, what you’re saying is that it’s absolutely fine for them to lie? You have absolutely no problem with that?
Could I just remind you that a liar, by definition, is untrustworthy?
So, obviously, you are admitting that they are liars. Which, by extension, means you admit that they are untrustworthy.
And you’re still on for the ride?
You know what, go right ahead. I don’t know why you even bothered posting on here. Just don’t come crying to us when the whole thing comes crashing down and you end up with egg on your face… Oh wait, it’s too late for that last part!
Extremely well constructed and convincing argument. Well done! You’ve swayed me. I’ll sign up right away.
See oz’s comment above regarding credibility.
Then again, someone who posts such nonsense does not have much credibility to begin with, so I guess that goes to explain a lot…
Man, I’m tired. Are all the Wazzub fans (and here I guess it would really mean “fanatics”) like this guy? Scary thought.
Hi, I followed this article for a while. I come from Indonesia. I got curious about this WAZZUB things, in MLM methode or what ever you called. This things is getting hype in my country, I joined it because it free and just taking 10 minute of my time.
My friends are spreading a lot of information about this WAZZUB. They say that the business is legal because it was registered in the United States, and when I searched on google, did a lot of information stating that they are legal.
But only one forum that said negative things about this WAZZUB, and it is you. After I read and try to use my brain to think of your opinion, I berpedapat that “I have been deceived”.
Thank you for your site looking for information, analyze and provide information that helps us to decide our actions wisely.
side note: this website already has 650 000 + + members.
Yesterday, a lady I know of sent me an invitation to join wazzub touting the incredible opportunity of signing up pre launch.
As I clicked on the link and it took me to the info and sign up page, the first thing I did (as I always do when one of these fantastic ‘offers’ comes my way) was to look for a link that would tell me who this company is backed and owned by, what their actual services or products were and where they were based.
Strange I thought, very little information here – but, thats okay often smaller companies with vague information are used to mask larger ones. It happens often (as you guys posting here, would realize).
Okay, so lets move on……armed with little information except the promise of fantastic rewards in the future, I decided to watch the promo videos.
First video….. hold on a moment, had I clicked the wrong link ?
It seemed rather amateurishly put together and still the lack of professionalism in explanation of what the company is, and who they are is disturbing to say the least.
Oh wait, here is a simple clue – the spelling. Do they not know how to use a spell check editor ? A genuine global company would employ editing techniques before dishing out sloppy advertising- after all, their reputation is at stake.
All this is starting to irk me. I see no substantial reason nor record in my searching that would endorse this company as credible.
But, keep looking, keep checking, keep searching… BEFORE I sign up.
One thing I have learned, is that no matter who posts what….don’t take their word for it….. check it out yourself.
Eventually I came to finnd myself on your pages here 🙂
What a surprise ! lol…… and reading ALL the comments and information, I have clicked on each link, followed it through and saved many pages to my computer for reference later.
The emotive responses of the likes of ‘Tracy’ and ‘Jamie’ and others I suspect (but cannot be sure of) smacks of this Gee fella and his ‘associates’ logging in here to try to lamely dispel digging up solid evidence on who wazzub is.
To those who have surmised that wazzub is actually a referral / harvesting / information gathering veil for something else – yes, thats what this is pointing towards.
What have we to lose by joining up wazzub ? because it is ‘free’ ?
Have you not heard there’s no free lunch ? …..
– you give them your email address
– you give them your full name, details and banking information (so that ‘they’ can pay ‘you’)
– and all that sparkles in the eye is the wow, gets rich quick agenda.
…….are you gullible enough to believe that by doing so, this is free ?
Once you give your personal information and banking details to any company, you are at risk. No, its not free.
It may actually in the long run cost you a lot in lost privacy, lost finances if the scheme is fraudulent, and perhaps later indict you criminally as part of a fraud that collects payment. Money laundering is still illegal…..just sayin. 🙂
As a sole trader myself, I will not associate my name with anything or been seen as representing anyone that cannot be substantiated or given provable credibility, so the argument ‘nothing to lose’ stands as invalid.
My own business and personal reputation and integrity is at stake.
I am thankful for all the input and factual information that can be tracked and traced you people have brought to the table here. Well done and thank you for the insight, the headups and the research.
I won’t be joining wazzub and giving them my bank details so that they can ‘pay’ me…. it might cost me more than I bargained for. 🙂
Any reputable solid company backed by professional legitimate investors would have addressed the questions raised in this forum in a professional manner – not responding with the same old sales spiel peppered by ‘holy cow’ and ‘whatever dude’.
That was amusing to say the least
Talking emotive pull with little to back up is just not substantial enough for me. And neither would it be for people who are seriously interested in being part of a legitimate business.
*Note this post is a copy and paste from
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=147399
….. check it out for yourselves 🙂
@Curious Man
I don’t think you have been deceived, since it’s free to join. But I’ll guess they will have problems paying $1 USD for each member in your downline. I believe they will have problem right from the start, in their first payments May 15th.
Negative review?
The negative stuff here are mostly about the fake companies. These kinds of companies are most often used in investment scams. I found lots of old scam-threads in Europe when I searched the addresses.
I posted some information in another comment:
WHY I am concerned?
Because 3 fake companies aren’t needed, if the main purpose is to run a website-project with members. One fake investment company should be enough if they needed to impress people.
* GIT Global Investments Inc. may be needed if they have some need to impress people, “look bigger than they are” and similar “fake it till you make it” ideas. They used it in their first marketing, pretending to be backed up by a $60 million investment company that already had invested $2 million USD in the project.
* United American Capital Corporation (UAC) and IGV Internet Global Value Inc. aren’t needed in this project, and they were already set up as obvious investment scams long before WazzUB was registered.
I’m concerned because I know these 2 extra companies are a bad sign, and because I haven’t been able to identify which role they may have in this project.
I’m also concerned about their willingness to try to trick people, and their unwillingness to tell the truth about these fake companies. Until now they have preferred to avoid these questions, and in some places they’re trying to direct people’s attention away from them.
All this faking and “pretending to be something” are usually not a good sign, even if the opportunity itself is free to join.
Positive and “honest” reviews
I know most other reviews won’t tell you anything about fake companies or other problems, either because they’re trying to recruit you into something or because they haven’t checked details.
Actually, I’m not very impressed by the few ‘honest reviews’ I have read. Any review that claims to be honest should also tell you the truth about negative stuff. Only telling positive information isn’t very honest.
Internet are usually drowned in “honest reviewers” that tries to recruit you into something, and I’m not very attracted to that style.
@Curious Man
They have already started to admit they will have problems paying $1 USD per member in their first 2 payments, the payments for April and June.
I don’t think reduced payment is much of a problem, because “shit happens” for most of us. For most people it should be okay even if they only pay 50 cents per member. A VERY reduced payment will be a problem.
What I believe will be a problem is the interest from “ordinary members”. Recruitment works for opportunities, but it doesn’t work very well if you will try to attract “ordinary members” to a website.
The founders of WazzUB doesn’t seem to know the difference between recruitment and attracting people.
The WazzUB idea have so far failed to be very attractive to most people, except for those attracted to the income opportunity. I have hardly seen any interest at all outside network marketing “communities”.
If you try too hard to make something attractive to a specific group of people then you probably will make it unattractive to most others. This is why paying people to join a website and recruit friends usually will fail.
Sorry, WazzUB team, “being useful” isn’t enough. Usually we will need some “magic stuff” in addition to being useful, and the “magic stuff” is far more important.
If “being usefu” was enough, then why did you have to promise to pay people to recruit others in the first place? It would have been better to focus on the main thing of being useful?
Just wanted to thank you for the review. I have had a ton of marketers ask about this particular opportunity and will be directing them to this review.
The company should make things a little more clear on what it is all about, just because it is FREE does not make it better. Thank you for the review and I will be linking to it shortly…..
Thanks-
David J. Boozer
Slight correction, in a DIFFERENT e-mail supposedly sent out from Wazzub, they did name a suite number: 364. This does NOT appear on their own website, so its authenticity cannot be ascertained:
http://asdasd.ru/read/32430
If it has no suite number, then it’s likely a virtual office. This issue was raised in my own analysis:
http://kschang.hubpages.com/hub/Researching-a-company-online-is-it-a-scam-or-not-This-is-how-to-do-it-yourself-DIY
That doesn’t really prove anything. Legally registered business can become illegal later. PT TVI Express Indonesia, supposedly Indonesian branch of the scam TVI Express (out of India) was legally registered too, but their business license was revoked 03-AUG-2011 by Indonesian authorities (BKPM).
All that proves is they did their legal paperwork to get established, but they could be OPERATING ILLEGALLY, which is not covered by business registration.
Add to that the shadiness of having three separate addresses (one in Oregon, one in California, and another in Nevada) and all of its owners and founders are hidden except for one serial MLM-guy, means trust-worthiness of this company is low.
Hi, I just signed up with wazzub, and after reading this page, don’t think I’ll be going any further with it.
thanks for the info.
Simon
An Interesting Review. I bet that you joined!
HC
@Eli
I have the same problem myself. Recruiting people into bogus opportunities may seriously harm other interests I have, like relations to customers or social interests. It simply isn’t worth it, I’m not THAT desperate to make money.
Still, I may be interested in something in relation to some of the opportunities that pops up frequently. Some of them may actually have some good ideas that can be replicated in other markets.
Criticism isn’t exactly an armchair sport, either. I’m sure I will have some use of this training in the future. 🙂
@Eli — the lifeblood of a network marketer is his or her network. If X lead someone into a scam, then X’s reputation is damaged forever, unless X can somehow convince his or her network it wasn’t really his or her fault (and even then it won’t be fully effective).
That’s why there’s so many “lead generation systems” in MLM: so members who joined up can be easily referred to another MLM or scheme so they can be suckered all over again if one fails, so they are always chasing after “the big one”, and lost fortunes in the process.
The funny thing is, if Whazzub really is “a revolutionary search engine”, why would they put their site on Germany-based shared hosting?
I expected a decent search engine startup worthed $60 million to at least host their site on their own server cluster 😀
What’s more, Wazzub’s story keeps changing. First they claim they’ll be like Google. Then they claim they’ll be like Facebook. And they never actually explained WHAT EXACTLY it is they do. It’s just another shady aspect of the whole thing.
They are a homepage like google. They will have ad links on the home page for people to click which earns Wazzub money.
Just like ay other site except this is a search engine.
Simple.
Google isn’t just ‘a homepage’. It’s the worlds leading propietary search engine.
That’s why they generate billions in advertising revenue.
If Wazzub’s search backend is as good as their web presentations… well, we all know where that’s going to lead.
Nope, they IMPLIED that. They never actually SAID what they actually do. Furthermore, you can’t PROVE that as they’ve never even shown a prototype OR EVEN A MOCKUP.
It took Google 13 years (founded 1998) to get to where it is now: 32000 employees, campuses spread across acres of land, branches around the world (remember the controversy in China?) social network, mailing lists, news, maps, and bazillion more things. THAT is how they earn 3 billion.
Wazzub sure promised a lot, but to quote the immortal movie “Top Gun”, “your ego is writing a check your body can’t cash”. Wazzub has shown us NOTHING to prove it can actually *do* what it promised.
Thus, the fact you’re offering up feeble excuses for them is rather interesting in itself. Did you convince yourself that it will work?
FYI, Wazzub spam had been translated and spread to bazillion other countries. I’m finding Wazzub spam on Polish, Serbian, Indonesian, Indian and other “free classifieds” and forums.
HMMMM….I SEE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DISMISSING THESE CLAIMS FROM “WAZUBB”….BUT CAN THOSE PEOPLE ANSWER ME THIS!!!
HOW MUCH MONEY DO I LOSE IF IT IS A SCAM?
THE ANSWER IS “NOTHING”…..this is what I don’t understand….so many people are criticising this website but all you do is put in your name and email address. Put a fake name and Fake email for all I care, you still become a member with them and you lose ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!
What can they do??? literally the worse thing they could do is send spam to your mail…..and you can just block that…
There is literally no harm in trying, and lets say they are a genuine company, You might make a $100, you might make $5 you might make a Dollar……..so what, If someone came up to me in the street and offered me a dollar, I would bloody take it.
STOP CRITICISING A COMPANY THAT ‘MIGHT’ BE GENUINE!!! THEY ASK FOR NOTHING FROM YOU< NO CARD DETAILS< NOTHING!!!!!!
Wazzub will probably just be a search portal. The ads will be filled with AdBrite and 7search crap and all the search results will have affiliate shopping links ala Skimlinks or VigLink.
There’s nothing wrong with that model if the search portal by itself ads any value, it’s the pyramid piece of it that makes it interesting.
Most incentivized traffic search portals see their ad revenue dry up quickly because advertisers and ad networks realize it is incentivized and its value is less. Affiliate shopping links are legitimate but there are many versions of that everywhere, so don’t see what the payoff is.
If nothing else, Wazzub built a very large opt-in mailing list based on a phantom product. I expect to see launch plans cancelled and then a bait & switch redirection to another program. If this happened, it would be unethical but sneaky.
@Ryan
Just because something is free doesn’t make it any less sustainable as a business. Nor is it an excuse to join.
Given that you have to recruit people to make money in Wazzub (for now), that means if its a flop you lose credibilty and the trust of those you recruited.
In my opinion those two are far more valuable than a membership fee.
Do you have any indicators that shed light on this “might”? Thus far everything has pointed to a scam.
How about losing your reputation and wasting all your friend’s and family’s time? How about wasting your own time?
You can’t get paid with a fake name, *******.
The amount of enthusiasm you have for something that *might* be genuine, but with every indication indicating otherwise, is somewhat disturbing.
Yeah, we had our share of gullible people here too. Although some with common sense are quick to point up some odd issues with whazzub, most of those who flocks around this “busines opportunities” just won’t believe what they don’t want to believe
Wow, a lot of people here are soooo scared! and of what actually?!!
Have some fun, join up and see what happens. Heck, what do you have to lose??
There’s a lot of info on the blog.. Go to Q&A. You can google that. Don’t let others tell you what it’s about. What do they know? They just didn’t come up with the idea.
Are you guys jealous or something? Don’t you like the idea of sharing? It’s not the same as regular mlm.. Signing up and positioning yourself will stop on April 10! I like the idea of this pre-launch commissioning. It makes sense. I like the concept of sharing.
I won’t mind if it doesn’t work out. It’s at least worth the try and 5 minutes or ten minutes of effort.
I see a lot of doom thinking remarks here. Some are just plain and too simple. But maybe you can just take it lightly, look on the bright side and see what happens. Your choice.
they still have to prove themselves. But Facebook did, and google did.. Would you have believed them? Would you have joined if you knew they were going to make millions of the users and keep that to themselves?
Times need to change! So I put in my trust and see what happens. No harm done! Just consider it an extra try for some extra money.. and allow yourself to receive that!
There is nothing fun about getting other people to join and trashing your reputation over a business model that won’t work.
Uh…and where do you think we got the information about the business model from genius?
What, now you’re going to tell me that Wazzub invented combining advertising with search and daily deals?
Yeah good one…
No they didn’t, they developed proprietary products (search algorithms and a social network) and then monetised them after they were succesful (via their innovation and usefulness).
Neither Facebook or Google launched with monetization, rather their value was in the unique products and service(s) they provided their users. Monetization was only possible once this was achieved.
Wazzub are neither innovative or useful. Thus far everything they have announced has been done before and as far as search and daily deals go, Wazzub are entering an already saturated and high competitive market.
Good luck with that.
Awesome idea.
And when they come ask me my bank account details, I’ll give them fake information too. I love your thinking…
Oh, but, wait… if I give them fake information, how are they going to pay me? And if they can’t pay me, what’s the point in joining in the first place???
You answer me THAT.
Lots of if’s and but’s, there. And great logic, too. But hey, to each his own.
Personally, if I’m going to entrust my personal information to a company I’ve never heard of before, I first want to make sure it’s a solid, genuine establishment. I want CERTAINTY, not MIGHT’s.
If you don’t mind suspicious vagueness and the possible pitfalls which go with that then hey, it’s your life, your reputation, your money. Do as you wish. I, for one, will not take the risk.
Are you for real? Sorry, but I have to wonder. I mean, you don’t sound like you’ve actually read ANY of the stuff that’s been posted on here. The Q&A stuff has been addressed already. As has the “idea” aspect.
What I have YET to see, OTOH, is any “Wazzubian” replying intelligently to any of the solid arguments which have been made here so far. Instead, you all just keep repeating the same stale remarks over and over again.
So let me just state here clearly that we KNOW what your so-called arguments are. We’ve read them (unlike you ours) and we’ve answered them (yes, truly, just read the whole thread).
So, if you are going to post on here, I would ask that you come up with something to say that has more depth to it than “you don’t risk anything since they don’t ask for money” or “it’s genius! it’s like google!” or “just give a fake email” or “you suck” or whatnot.
Better yet, actually read the responses that have been made. Analyze them. Think about them. And (if you are capable of this at all) keep an open mind.
You would do us all a HUGE favor.
Thanks.
PS. This shouldn’t need to be said, but considering some of the messages… So, just as a reminder: insults never help make your point. Quite contrarily, actually, as typically the one who starts using insults tends to have “lost” the argument.
So please refrain and try to be constructive and intelligent in your responses.
Your last comment is nothing but an insult.
You lose.
What are you? Six years old? You “dare” us to try it? Hilarious, dude, hilarious.
As if we can trust a company with fake addresses hosting their stuff on a FREE blog from Blogger…
Irrelevant.
Irrelevant. Yuwie is all into sharing too. Look it up. It actually launched and lived barely 2 years, and it was a lot more professionally done than Wazzub.
Your own REPUTATION is on the line since YOU ARE PUTTING YOUR OWN NAME BEHIND IT.
Baseless optimism is called ‘blind faith’ for a reason. It’s not suited for business, but rather, religion.
Irrelevant. Wazzub thus far can’t even PROVE it is in the same niche as Google and Facebook. Thus any comparison to them is baseless.
When it bombs (and there’s no reason it shouldn’t), your name will be out there as one of the dumb***es who fell for it. If that’s not enough to give you pause, guess your threshold for dumb***ery is pretty low.
K. Chang,
You are not a good person.
Solely because you choose to rip someone’s idea apart instead of posting respectful responses.
Your responses are ignorant, childish, pretentious and an insult to every other poster on this thread who typed a meaningful response and who tried to offer un-biased, unabrasive thought, opinion in a forum of rightful comraderie.
Your posts sunk this thread into the mud.
Shame on you.
@Mik
Sorry to stea your dreams, but …
So far they haven’t been very skilled in attracting people from outside a specific ‘environment’. Most of those who joined early seemed to be ‘pre-invited’ from within a community, and they seemed mostly to be income opportunity seekers.
The next group that joined did also seem to be income opportunity seekers, plus some “What do I have to loose?” people, and some people that are more difficult to identify.
This means that WazzUB will have a very boring group of people as their ‘basic member foundation’, since most of them seems to be interested in opportunities.
Being surrounded by thousands of income opportunity seekers isn’t the dream of most internet users, unless you are one yourself and are attracted to that environment (or have some opportunities to offer).
Since WazzUB primarily is designed to attract income opportunity seekers, it becomes less attractive to most other users. I wouldn’t have liked to invite friends to join WazzUB, since most of them aren’t income opportunity seekers. I wouldn’t have liked to invite ‘business friends’ either, partly because of all those unanswered questions in relation to fake companies.
I believe they will have serious trouble attracting people after April 1st, when they no longer can use income as a bait. They doesn’t seem to be very skilled in attracting people in general, except for the “We will pay you if you’ll join” method.
I don’t think they will be able to attract the 10:1 ratio they will need (10 unpaid users for each paid user).
Now that’s funny 😀
Indeed. I believe we have a troll 😉
LMAO. You’re funny. I like you. Can I be your friend?
BTW, I initially wasn’t going to respond, but then I thought THIS would be an appropriate response, all things considered:
Hope you enjoy it.@Desdenova
You’re right. He had a few new points mixed in with the old ones. I may give him 4 points, on a scale from 1-6.
Poe’s Law was more commonly used some years ago.
“Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won’t mistake for the real thing.”
It’s more commonly used in religious or political forums than in MLM-blogs, so I wasn’t really prepared for it here.
That would depend on what you consider “meaningful”, wouldn’t it?
To you stuff like “just take things lightly” is “unbiased unabrasive thought”. I prefer to call that mindless cult-entranced drivel without logic or reason.
If that’s abrasive, it’s only to the people who refuse to see the truth. Truth hurts, sometimes a lot.
Looks like Wazzub has listened to the complaint: they updated their WHOIS to the Las Vegas address. Unfortunately, they also lost the suite number, which would indicate they are using Regus virtual office services.
Why are you guys and or gals making such a huge issue over nothing?
If you think it’s b.s. then move on and be more productive.
Like wise if you feel the opposite then do the same.
Surely you have more important issues to post about in this world.
If not then continue wasting your time.
Why are you so against knowledge, information and ideas being exchanged…?
As for important issues, this is a blog about MLM. Deal with it.
I suppose I could jump on the bandwagon and run around the internet promoting an opportunity that’s going to go nowhere… that seems to be keeping yourself and thousands of others like you pretty occupied.
I cannot find an “insubscribe” button anywhere. This frightens me. I never sign on without researching first, but thought I would be doing a favor to the “friend” who asked me….
Now, after reading this, want to opt out.
Tell that to all the Wazzub supporters who keep coming in here insisting “we’re wrong, just try it, it couldn’t hurt, it’s your your email address, blah blah blah”.
Wazzub had posted apparently various rebuttals under “Wazzub Team” on the blog (controlled by Gee DaCosta of course). One of their supporters posted on my blog, which I will reproduce below:
part 1 (I think this is the response they gave to “Dave Gilbert” he posted earlier. )
Wazzub rebuttal part 2
(really, it got chopped off here)
Comments about their rebuttal:
1) most of these are merely possible explanations, but without any real answers
2) We STILL don’t know who owns or runs Wazzub / GIT Global Investments
3) They confirmed Internet Global Value and GIT Global Investment have at least one common owner(s)
4) Again, vague implications and invoking almost irrelevant details. We don’t want to know why Wazzub used registration agent. We want to know WHO OWNS RUNS WAZZUB and again this answer was not forthcoming.
5) The “5 team members” contradicts a different statement about “20 specialists” posted by Gee DaCosta. Their story just keeps changing, doesn’t it?
6) Wazzub admits to be using Regus virtual office and meeting room services. Now that their OFFICIAL address (as posted on WHOIS) has no suite number, this is confirmed as well.
Nothing really to change your mind over.
State of Oregon clarified that companies less than 1 year old are NOT required to show their corporate officers.
“Companies that are less than a year old are only required to give us the registered agent information.
They are allowed 1 year to organize the company and elect officers. On their 1 year anniversary they are required to submit and annual report with the officer information.”
So there’s your deadline: September 2012. Then we’ll see who really runs Wazzub / GIT Global Investments.
@K.Chang
Those meaningless answers were the main reason for why I lost interest in using “WazzuB Team” as a source. They try to divert attention from the real question and answer something else.
Q. Who owns WazzUB?
A. Several investors. Blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada.
Nobody has really asked about what they are doing right now, and what will come later, or how they feel about themselves or their famiy situation, or how the wheather is in Oregon, or any other unimportant information delivered to avoid the real question.
Specific community?
I’ll guess WazzUB is designed for a very specific community, where people are more willing than others to accept “blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada” as an answer, and who only cares about if they’re getting paid (are promised payments in the future).
It’s pretty uninspiring to invite more “normal friends” to join this. Most of my friends doesn’t like “blah, blah” or “yada, yada”, so WazzUB isn’t very attracting to most of my friends (they are mostly “normal friends”).
WazzUB seems to be designed for a community where people see friends as a possible source of income, someone they can have in a downline and make money on.
Most like the kind of “friends” that pops up in the neighbourhood from time to time, invites you to a grillparty, and then tries to recruit you into some opportunity after several beers (and where you spend the next few weeks trying to find excuses to avoid them).
I wonder how those 531.000 people (fake counter?) signed up, all I can see on their homepage is some text, a few pictures and countdown timer?
@Kasey
If they’re stil around then…
Not to mention, they have contradicting counters… Don’t believe me? Compare:
http://wazzub.com/
(1 070 000)
http://signup.wazzub.info/
(this one’s hilarious as it keeps adding a new member every second!?!?)
You beat me to the punch, LOL. I was going to say that…
Looks like I found another real name behind the whole thing:
Search the updated WHOIS records at whois.godaddy.com revealed a phone number:
(702)7229244
Search that number on Internet lead me to:
http://www.dailydigitalclub.com/contact-sponsor.php?id=2bucks2wealth
Which is referral ID of a “Michael Anthony”.
And that referral ID pointed me to another domain, which brought up another address:
Registrant:
Michael Anthony
2667 S. Decatur Blvd
2096
Las Vegas, Nevada 89102
United States
Registered through: Domains Priced Right
Domain Name: 2BUCKS2WEALTH.COM
Created on: 07-Mar-11
Expires on: 07-Mar-12
Last Updated on: 07-Mar-11
Can’t find much details on this guy, name’s too generic.
They recently uploaded a MP3 song “The Power of We” to Amazon.com at $0.99 per download.
Some Wazzub fanatics will sure to buy the song!
Perhaps this is the “attempt #1” to take money from their Wazzub members….This is legit…Pretty clever, eh?
What do you think?
@Mr. Chee
Lol thanks for posting that. A Wazzub music single, lol.
I’ll hand it to them though, I don’t think Facebook or Google ever released a single.
There’s a “secret” signup URL with a referral ID that you have to click on to sign up (signup.wazzub.com) Which is yet another shady part…
Darn it, they’re on iTunes too. Who the **** is “The Damsel”?
MegaUpload did, but we know how that ended 😮
At least they were more careful and used an unknown artist. Though I suppose they wouldn’t have had the money to hire a name, heh.
@ Oz
You’re more than welcomed.
They said “50% of all proceeds will go to charity”…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkIxfN0O7WE
@K. Chang
Yes, on iTunes as well.
Cheers!
indeed, why keep it secret when they want as much people to join as possible?
another thing…
why waste 4 years and still not having anything decent ready?
according to that video they have 1 develloper?
I wonder where that 2 million investment went to 😉
the hosting and the lame page ain’t worth $100
@Mr. Chee — actually they said “50% of all profit will go to their charity foundation”.
So where is this foundation registered at and is it a 501(c) charity registered with the IRS? Or is it just another shady claim? And what defines “profit”?
Yeah, 50% of the profit after paying a 7 figure salaries to the owner. I’m not saying they will even make that much revenue, just that the entire concept of “profit” can be whatever a company says. If I pay myself 10 million then my company will never show profit and I never have to give anything to charity.
Interesting, the cixirecords webpage claims something different:
50% of all proceeds is different from 50% of all download-profits
charity funds is very different from charity foundation.
ANOTHER inconsistency. What does Itunes say?
Update: Itunes entry have NO description at all.
I’ve updated my own review to add the sections on the Wazzub song and this “Michael Anthony”‘s phone number appearing on Wazzub WHOIS record.
So I posted a comment on their youtube page for the song, to let people know it was a scam & with a link pointing here… Five minutes later, my comment had been deleted!
So, what did I do? I went back and wrote another comment calling them on it… Here are my exact words:
Well, guess what? An hour later, ALL comments were gone and now they’ve totally disabled comments. LMAO.
I think that alone says a lot about the people behind WazzUB.
Actually, it reminds me of a post I read on Mark Bunker’s page, where he said the difference between him and Scientology was that while he does criticize the Church, he still links to them so that people can view both sides… whereas the Church says terrible things about him but without ever linking back to him.
The parallel seems oddly similar, here.
And all this, also, when there’s so much talk about censoring the internet…
They are exercising the I in BITE, or “information control”, as explained by cult expert Steven Hassan:
http://freedomofmind.com/Info/BITE/bitemodel.php#information
Specifically (not a complete quote of the items)
@ K. Chang
If you go to Amazon and click on “See larger image”, you’ll see another version:
“50% Donated To Wazzub Charity Funds”
Can you let me have the link to your review so that I can read it? Thanks.
@Desdenova
I’m not surprised at all that they deleted your comment if you wrote negatively.
A few guys had posted some nasty comments in their blog (they use Blogger instead of their own Wazzub domains) earlier and gotten similar treatments – They deleted all! And one of these guys was furious about it, demanded an answer to his questions.
Guess what, the guy in Wazzub simply went ahead to disable commenting with a silly excuse that they were too busy to prepare for the prelaunch!
Perhaps they have just too many things to hide.
Well, this is only the beginning of the “movie”. You’ll get a few good laugh pretty soon…
@Desdenova
It’s not wise to “chase people”, like in posting negative comments on their sites just to be negative or trying to harm their interests. It will often have an opposite effect.
It’s different if you dump into a site “by accident”, and then post a comment to something you read there. The difference is within the initial motives you have.
People are usually able to detect these “initial motives”, and will react different if you’re equipped with the right set of motives.
As an example, the initial motives for this blog is to deliver unbiased reviews of MLM companies, with a main focus on factual information (etc.). The audience that will find it most useful are those that don’t like all the “marketing stuff” when they’re only looking for information.
Comments on Youtube are usually related to the video itself. I believe most people will detect some negative motives if you’re posting “WazzUB is a scam” there. 🙂
I linked to me before but here it is again
http://kschang.hubpages.com/hub/Researching-a-company-online-is-it-a-scam-or-not-This-is-how-to-do-it-yourself-DIY
Well, my intent wasn’t to “chase” them or “to be negative”… Here, this was my initial post, word for word:
My purpose was simply to try and get some people to think and question WazzUB’s motives. Obviously, I was not aiming at the WazzUB fanatics (who unfortunately seem to form the vast majority of their userbase) but rather at those few (and we’ve seen a few here) who still have an open mind and who might find some interesting questions (and answers) on this page.
I was also hoping (though not really expecting) to start a dialogue with the people behind WazzUB.
One thing I never expected was for my comment to be deleted, and even less for comments to be completely disabled! Though I suppose I should have seen it coming…
In hindsight, I’ll admit though that I probably went about this the wrong way. Likely I should have started by commenting on the video’s poor quality and asked for some explanations… Perhaps this would have been more successful, at least in prompting a dialogue. Oh well. Live and learn, as they say.
The Wazzub-ies are getting restless.
Most Wazzub-ies generally are friendly, though a few are known to use “I dare you to try it” along with “It’s just an e-mail address” excuse.
I’m starting to see some starting to use the 13 scam excuses I’ve covered before used by TVI Express and other scams, such as “You must be in a conspiracy to derail Wazzub” and increasing desperation. One member accused me of censorship because I didn’t approve her comment right away (Hey, I had to sleep too).
Come to think of it, that song may be part of the cult tactics outlined by Steven Hassan in his BITE model, as a part of “thought control”, through chanting / singing / slogans…
Found Wazzub Italy, which is just Wazzub website translated into Italian, even has the same FAQs. Got a guy over there raising the same questions, and getting the same non-responses i.e. “read my FAQ”
http://www.skande.com/wazzub-201201.html (link is in Italian, use Translator, and read the comments)
In Norway, the interest for WazzUB is extremely LOW, compared to lots of other ‘projects’ I have seen (MLM, NWM, pyramid schemes, opportunities).
I posted a thread in a local forum 2. January, as a method to measure the interest in the market.
After 1 month + 1 day:
* total views = 358 views (mostly internal views from forum users)
* 10 percent of total view are my own.
* the last 4 days = 13 views (clicks from Google)
Compared to a thread about CarbonCopyPro in the same forum in 2009 this is extremely LOW, less than 5 percent. CCPro had more than 20,000 views in less than 4 months, most of them from people searching for information on the internet.
WazzUB seems to have very “local” markets, only a few countries or something.
“Limit search to Norwegian (bokmal)”
Google reported 1,530 hits when I searched in native language, but too many of them was spamming in a multi-cultural “JustLanded” forum. I’ll guess the real result is less than 500 hits.
My thread with 358 hits was on top of the first page. This means very few people in Norway are searching for WazzUB, only 3-5 people per day (since Pre-Pre-Launch in December 2011).
Members in Norway are mostly a few “MLM-junkies”, those who joins each and every opportunity (and spams forums). Even MLM-junkies didn’t seem to be very interested.
This “local market” will usually have lots of users if people are interested in something. As an example, approx. 15 percent of WMI’s revenue in the first 6 months of 2010 came from this market.
ThatFreeThing reached 1,500 members before people lost interest after 3 months. Both of them met lots of resistance, but were still able to attract users.
Conclusion?
I have serious doubt in WazzUB’s statements for number of members. Too many of their other statements have been fake and misleading.
It seems like most people prefer to be “I” than “We”, that the idea “the power of We” haven’t turned them on.
Funny you should say that, as I’m noticing the same thing.
One response I got when I told folks that WazzUB is a scam was that people were jealous or working for google, that they didn’t have the “tech or skill” to prove it, that they were hacking (?!?) or threatening (????) WazzUB… I mean WOW! Where would one even start answering that? LOL.
That’s a scary thought… Maybe they’re not starting a scam at all, but a CULT!
Then again, cults tend to be scams anyway, heh…
There have been several search and shopping portal before with an MLM attached to them. They all failed because no one uses the search or shopping portal. There have been great search portals such as Excite and Astalavista that are 100 times better than anything Wazzub or the others have created, and they didn’t last either. The theory that everyone will use it and click on ads or use affiliate shopping links and share in the rewards doesn’t take into factor how much revenue needs to be generated to pay every member just $1.
If I were running the Wazzub scam, I’d roll out a membership plan and say “you earn only so much daily profit share as a free member, upgrade and you can earn more”.
If I were to build a search portal I would come up with a way to force everyone to use it. At least then you have a chance at some traffic or revenue. For example, record every click through the portal and give each user some credit for clicking that gets calculated in the daily profit share. But you need real revenue in order to share any in the first place.
@Jimmy — I’ll do you one better… they’ll roll out an “investment / funding” plan. Put in $10 and get $100 back when they make a profit.
@K.Chang – and every time they they use the search portal they earn one free bid to the Penny Auction.
Hi from Croatia,
I didn’t know about this WazzUb thing till tonight (advice from a friend) but I find this while I was searching for it on Google, so I must say – I belive it is a scam; doesn’t really matter can they take my money, mail or anything, but I simply hate been somebody’s fool and play their game for whatever reason thay do have to do these things, so I decided not to enter.
One more thing. Not that it matters to some ignorant people, I’m glad that there are people like you (Desdenova, M_Norway, K.Chang, Oz…) who will spend time and nervs to talk about scams they find to us others and to find the facts and show them, not only saying non-sence frases.
Like you guys, thanks!
Don’t forget, in order to make a searches on the portal they need to place an ad for Wazzub on one of the supplied classified websites.
Wazzub approved advertising copy only.
@Gox
I have exactly the same motives, I hate being somebody’s fool (if I don’t have to be a fool for some reasons).
@K.Chang, Jimmy and Oz
Your ideas are great, but they will also need to include some external and internal investments – in Bio Oil, Carbon Offsets, internal stock market, “WazzUB Airlines”, “WazzUB Travel Club”, “WazzUB Reverse Pension Plan RPP”, “WazzUB e-Bank”, “WazzUB Debet Cards”, “WazzUB Real Estate”, etc.
They will also need to include more charity. “Women in the third world”, “Children in Africa”, “Plant a tree” and “Save the Rain Forest” – just to give them some ideas to start with.
In the end, WazzUB will have managed to free the world from poverty, have solved the Climate Change problem, created long lasting peace, and discovered intelligent life in the Universe. And of course made a fortune for the inventors and founding members.
@ Gox :
I’m just glad there are people like us (yourself included) who are smart enough to ask the right questions and do some research. I’m always amazed at the number of people who still fall for scams — even the more obvious ones, heh — when it really is quite easy to avoid if you just think a bit and do some research. But I guess that’s too much work for some 😮
@ M_Norway :
Beware, non believers, the Revolution has begun! *snickers*
Haven’t been back here for a while but i see the Wazzubbies still don’t get it, we had exactly the same arguments about another company Kooday that appeared from nowhere with a multimillion dollar search system that was going to blast Google into oblivion.
They even went as far as openly accusing Google of stealing their technology to launch Panda (that was funny especially when google found out)then they tried to hide the fact their multi-million dollar search engine that took 4 years to develop was actually a free script called sphider.
Well considering i cut my seo teeth using sphider so i could fully understand how search engine algorithms worked and the program hadn’t evolved much since i last used it they had problems, everyone argued right up till the end when the company disappeared overnight taking all the members earnings with it.
The Evidence against Wazzub is overwhelming it’s profile and actions follow the same footprints as Kooday and many other scams supposedly based around “New” Search technology chances are they will use a free or cheap script as i doubt they will even employ a decent meta search script like Inout Search ultimate 7.
Even if they do use a decent script it won’t stay online for long unless they use dedicated hosting as these scripts are resource intensive and most hosting companies will not allow them on shared or vps hosting they are even restricted on most cloud servers.
So for all the wazzubbies out there i would be prepared to see something on the cheap side of free instead of the Wow you think your getting Koodayites thought exactly like you guys right up till Kooday did a runner only then did they get what we had been saying all along.
@Dave Gilbert — exactly, it takes very little to “gin up” a convincing looking prototype search engine / homepage / whatever. Heck, pay somebody in India $500 through eLancers and someone will have one working in less than a week. Instead, Wazzub thus far have nothing to show except sign up page, despite supposedly “two million invested” (or did that became 20 million already?)
The truth is they can’t get a prototype working without us realizing it’s bulls***, so they don’t even try. Every last bit of their behavior, including the information THEY release, actually damns them, so they don’t try. Instead they release alternative explanations (much like Creationists release alternative explanations for fossils and such) to confuse the issue and string along their masses for a bit longer.
But we may be giving them too many idea. 😉
Wow! i really like wazzub, the power of WE!
i can now make 100K pre month, and retire from my boring job.
with 100k per month i also can buy all the hot babes from ukraine and russia. and start my own private business.
in a year i will be making millions! this is particularly easy than winning a jackpot! wow! i am so amazed at wazzub. i cant wait to tell mr. president and prime minister from other countries as well, i am sure the profit that we can earn is more than their annual salary. cant wait for my 100K upon the site launch!
@kappa shouldn’t that be the power of PEE after all their business model is as weak as water and the company behind it has definite Urinal smell about it as for your perceived fortunes it doesn’t take a maths genius to work out theres a flaw in their formula
My conviction that WAZZUP is a scam, or at best bound to fail miserably is based on math & math as we know is not an opinion.
Please anyone explains CLEARLY to me how on earth do WAZZUP hope to make the amount of money for users that they are promising.
Let’s say that Facebook did give 100% of their profits to users. So in 2011 they made $3.8 Billion (3.71 actually) & that happened thanks to 845 million users.
That would be less that $4.75 per user!!! GOTTCHA! WAZZUB’s either a scam or truly stupid business people.
If they get less users than FB they will make less money. Whichever way anyone puts it, the maths show that WAZZUP’s promise can’t even be kept.
It is a scam & that is clear to anyone with 2 functioning braincells that is not afraid to do some sums, math is the first sign that something is a scam (virtually all MLMs are). There is no way they are going to be making the money they are promising, let alone share half of it.
My second point: On top of that the information they are disclosing on WAZZUB lacks detail and all we have are generalities. That is common to many scams done before. Hey there’s even Gee DaCosta involved. Who do they want to kid? Of course this is a scam!
3rd point: They DO NOT have the infrastructure of Google or Facebook and they claim that they will kill at least one of them. Does the WAZZUB “Family” know that Fb’s servers need 10 Million in electric bills per year to run? Even though they use solar panels to save money that’s the price!
Does the WAZZUB (oh poor us, we belong somewhere) “Family” know that to run those servers Facebook/Google have expenses of $1 billion a year (you have to pay testers, technicians and Admins).
Come April-June I expect to be sitting back looking at a bunch of naive hopefuls getting exploited. This is never going to work so it’s a scam for people naive enough to believe it. It’s glaringly evident!
Other things that raise my suspicion; the signup form requires only a few details. What prevents someone from acquiring more free e-mail address from gmail, hotmail, yahoo… and sign up under himself? I would do it 10 times to add $10 a month! Sure that’s a little but that’s an extra $120 a year!
And if a million users did this, that’s a waste of $120 Million a year! But these geniuses who created wazzub didn’t create a system to prevent that (that we know of).
I think I know why; They are after e-mail addresses!
No serious business would allow that.
Next point: The counter that shows how many users have joined is FAKE! FAKE!
I’ve tried seeing it in 2 different browsers and even though the timer is the same, the numbers are significantly different. This is CLEARLY not an actual update. It is a number that gets incremented and anyone who knows basic Javascript can program that counter in 5 minutes.
This is even more evident if someone checks the page’s source to see the programming. It’s a bloody counter not a feed.
This is a yet another sign that they are not completely transparent. Liars!
If they want intelligent, thinking people to join them, they are failing miserably at providing evidence that they are legitimate and honest.
If… Just if… WAZZUB was a legit business, I can tell right now that it’s going to EPIC FAIL like a boss. The business model is unusable.
There’s more… I tried visiting from a link on Facebook and I got this message telling me that Facebook teamed up with McAfee and that the site I am going to is potentially harmful.
I could go on forever with reasons why WAZZUB has all the signs of a scam or just not attractive to thinking people; and I haven’t even tried researching their address, telephone number or whois info.
What now?
I suggest all those of us with a facebook account go to their facebook page and report them as scam (like to report the page is on the right, if you scroll just a bit down).
Their page:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/WAZZUB-International/126710290771826
@Mark
Usually it’s not needed to “chase people”, unless you have some verified information to support your feeling of a scam.
The fake companies presented here isn’t enough. Mathematics isn’t enough either, because they have only promised to pay “founding members” that joins before 1st April.
One harmful link isn’t unusual. Collecting e-mails is allowed for most sites that has members. And so on and so forth.
The reason why I won’t start to “chase” any company is because I prefer to be close to “neutral”, and I don’t want to be too “engaged” in one single company – spending too much time on that particular company.
WazzUB is like any other opportunity that has been reviewed here, and it doesn’t deserve too much attention.
Most people that are interested will join anyway, but it seems like most people aren’t interested. The “100K per month” from Kappa is clearly a joke, if he’s not talking about Zimbabwe dollars or some similar currency. The “hot babes” he’s dreaming about are usually used to attract money without delivering any goods, and I’ll guess he already knows it.
@Mark — what they did is not illegal, merely “deceptive”.
This is the best example I can think of.
When a guy you don’t know come up to you, and tell you this story, what would you do?
“I’m going to be the next Bill Gates, and I need a lot of business cards. Give me yours, and I promise to pay you some money when I get rich, and I’ll pay you if you bring me your friend’s business cards as well.”
You would probably say, “You’re nuts, man” and brush him off.
Yet that’s EXACTLY what Wazzub is, if you replace this guy with a random website, and instead of business cards, it’s e-mail addresses.
how can we earn so easily….i thing it won’t pay.in addition i don’t think that these guys have any anticheat system.they didn’t mention any thing like that in any kind of terms and situations.strange.isn’t it…???
hey-i already signed up for wazzub-now i realise its a big fat lie-how do i stop my email account from being spammed?
@K. Chang
You seem to get in quite a defense when other than your own opinion is commented. Like mine. I don’t mind, I actually find it very interesting.
Are you aware you are actually assuming a lot when people give their comments? Watch out you don’t put words into other people’s mouths.
From many of your reactions to comments of others you don’t seem to have much respect, and you even make insults as if you own the commentary. But the fact is you don’t. They are visitors to the blog you know.. tricky business when you start insulting people.
The blog is giving a statement and furthermore it’s merely an invitation for others to comment. It seems to me though, you just keep commenting back wanting to be right. Others need to see it your way and if they don’t they’re “dumb”. That way you’re simply ventilating your irritation to someone’s comment.
The analogies and examples in the reply’s you are giving are not representative for what Wazzub claims to be about. But hey, that’s your defense to opinions different from yours. You could also leave others with the privilege of having their own opinion. It is just another interesting belief you have.., and they have.., and I have..
It’s not just you by the way. I’ve seen some other reactions to comments comparing the contents with organizations that have absolutely no context here, but just blemishes the comments. They even get personal and rude. These are just individuals putting in their 2 cents worth. Of course it’s up to you (guys) to take that attitude.
Though have you considered you might want to tone down a bit, just to sustain your own credibility.. or the credibility of the blog?
You do seem so concerned with the credibility of others signing up with Wazzub. That’s probably got to do with your own credibility you wouldn’t want to put on the line. That’s fair.. protect yourself, make your own decisions.
But maybe you could consider this too: I for one don’t see this Wazzub launch as a business. Neither do I care for more information as I understand it is in a creation phase. the end result can not BE already. I’ll see..
I actually regard this as a fun experiment and I honestly don’t mind if it won’t work. I suppose that is not the general point of view you come accross. But it doesn’t make me ignorant of the situation.
So when I tip someone, that is also my message to them. I don’t have to promise them the change of the world or anything. Actually I mention no-one knows what’s going to happen! That’s the game.. take it lightly.. or don’t do it.
My reputation isn’t on the line. It’s the people who are launching Wazzub who’s reputations are on the line. And I don’t worry about that at all. If it is a scam I doubt what there is to gain eventually. I believe it is everybody’s own responsibility what to say yes or no to.
And do you really think I care if you call me dumb, dumber, dumbest?? Now thát is worth a smile on my face.
Good luck to you and your skeptic friends. And if it turns out you’re right and Wazzub won’t make it, well, so be it! At least it would have been tried.
There’s no beginning without a first step.
PS. before you start at it and me again, please do read this all again before doing so.
@Mik
Do you have any problems with my comments?
* “Sorry to steal your dreams.”
* “They doesn’t seem very skilled in attracting people.”
* “Mostly income opportunity seekers.”
* “The situation in Norway.”
* “Even the junkies doesn’t seem to be very interested.”
etc.
Good for you.
I assume you are referring to my comments regarding your own comments? I quoted you every step of the way and responded bit by bit, unlike you here.
I pity folks who start from a weak logical position and use weak logic, such as “what’s the harm in trying it even if it’s shady”. I don’t respect them. If you felt such pity as insulting, well, perhaps a look in the mirror is in order.
While the general observation is valid, that I like to deflate bad arguments, I don’t recall making any logical mistakes. Thus, the only thing you’re objecting to is my tone.
What did they CLAIM to be about? And can they PROVE their claims?
Except I can show how I arrived at my opinion of Wazzub through logic and abundant information, while Wazzub supporters have to rely on bogus logic such as “what’s the harm in trying it even if it’s a long shot”.
Since you voiced essentially the same point, I had you lumped in with the weak-logic folks. if you are not one of them, perhaps you shouldn’t use the same weak arguments as they did.
The blog is what it is: critical of things it finds to be critical, and it’s the way Oz runs it.
My credibility is my own business, and I don’t need to maintain my credibility among people who refuse to accept their own arguments are logical fallacies (and I don’t mean you specifically, really).
So you choose to throw in an insult, when you chastise me for supposedly insulting other people? Take your own advice, buddy. Go look in a mirror.
@M_Norway, despite most (I say most, not all) of your comments are based on presumptions -guessing who what and where, which you just can’t know, at least not just yet- I believe you are the one using the most civil language and have less need for defensive reply’s.
From which I gather you’re here for the discussion, or the amusement of the discussion, but do have your own strong opinion.
@K. Chang
Bullseye! You really were advised to read it for a second time..
Oh well, maybe other visitors will.
Thanks for all the quoting though and good luck to you!
@Mik
Sorry, I’m not very interested in discussions. I will usually try to avoid them, but I may also partially engage in them if they’re within a specific range of topics. Currently I’m discussing the court system in India in another thread, related to a specific case.
I’m not very interested in opinions either, unless they’re based on something specific.
Read it three times to make sure I didn’t miss anything, and it’s clear you don’t really have any specific objections other than my tone. And you still don’t.
+++ WAZZUB IS IN PRE-LAUNCH +++ LAUNCH DATE APRIL 9 +++
Collect money and invest… i dont believe it…
So why did you regurgitate their ad if you don’t believe it?
So now they want people to invest ??? in what their scam ?
why would you even want to sign up for a site which you cant even get onto?? well for me i cant get on the site but i think theres only the ppl who made wazzub signed up…
I think they got “kicked” out of FB:
Source: http://heywazzub.blogspot.com/
Now, take a look at these BS’s:
1. NEW non-profit organization intro page:
http://www.wazzubcharity.org/
2. Here’s what the non-profit organization page will look like with “their own logo” a signup form will be added at the bottom:
http://www.wazzubcharity.org/signup.htm
WOW! BIG DEALS!
Dude….that was some funny reading! (I Just read this whole post)
I joined wazzub a while ago…Just seeing where it will go…What the heck, I can cancel an email when/if the spam happens! Who cares.
Thanks for all the valuable info and time involved on much research!
We shall see:)
Happy New Years all!
Very interesting but I am one of the Optimists of this project. Yes Facebook did ban their page, possibly a bit of jealousy and / or retaliation about adverse remarks about a certain Mr Zuckerburg not sharing his wealth. For interest check this out http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/disruptions-facebook-users-ask-wheres-our-cut/
Their site is down as it is being revamped again to cater for the social community application due to Facebooks closure of their page wazzub.com
I am also a member of Smart Media Technologies Home Page Pays which has a similar “business model” albeit more professional. Not much adverse publicity about them….why not?
But hey, whoever comes up with the goods I say go for it. About time FB had a bit of competition…they cant remain the monopoly.
Forgot to add that there are nearly 1,500,000 other optimists out there….and I do possess a more than two brain cells!
@Leon
I sincerely doubt Facebook shut Wazzub’s page down due to “jealousy” or “retalitation”. Much more likely they’ve identitified copious amounts of spam Wazzub’s members are flooding the internet (and Facebook) with and decided to shut their Facebook presence down.
Wazzub and their members have to adhere to Facebook’s policies, the same as anyone else.
So where is their 501(c)(3) certification status, now that they claim to be a charity fund? Or they are NOT claiming to be a 501(c)(3) charitable organization? Search of IRS.GOV website shows no such organization.
http://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/ePostSearch.do?searchChoice=pub78&dispatchMethod=selectSearch
Furthermore, now that they lost their suite number, they are definitely using a virtual office.
There are a lot of fake organizations promising to give funds to charities and whatnot. Here’s one example in Namibia:
http://consumerwatchdogbw.blogspot.com/2012/02/fdh-turn-up-in-namibia-and-get-shown.html
Claiming to support charity is something quite a few scams are now doing.
For instance TagVillage (run by …you guessed it the same scammers that run Kooday), posted they supported charity through their own “Charity Org” except they also don’t have a 501(c)(3) so i see this as a mark of desperation by wazzub maybe just maybe people are waking up to them.
1 – They say they can give 100k per month to members,
but why do they ask for donation now? charity…
what is this now..
if wazzub can give 100k per month to members, cant they give some to the charity themselves? why want we to donate?
have they given 100k to anyone yet ??? otherwise how do you know they are not just P**sing in the wind to get you suckers all hyped up !
Really? How do you know that they “do” have that number of members?
Take a look at the counter in this page:
http://www.wazzubcharity.org/
Is that a “counter” or just a “timer”?
Look carefully — It adds 1 every second! Very very consistently as I’ve been watching it for quite a while.
Please note this: The Wazzub sign up page has been down/offline for a while now and yet the so-called counter continues to “clock”!
that’s true!do you answere this question please about the counter…?
try refreshing the page.. it will show “actual” count, then it will just continue at 1 sec intervals, until u refresh again..
Counter is based on the clock. Here’s how they did it:
Look at the sourcecode of the main page, the last X number of lines. That’s like the digits used. And they preset the users to that number, 1467967
<img src=”img/numbers/a1.png” alt=”1″ />
<img src=”img/numbers/a2.png” alt=”2″ />
<img src=”img/numbers/a3.png” alt=”3″ />
<img src=”img/numbers/a4.png” alt=”4″ />
<img src=”img/numbers/a5.png” alt=”5″ />
<img src=”img/numbers/a6.png” alt=”6″ />
<img src=”img/numbers/a7.png” alt=”7″ />
<img src=”img/numbers/a8.png” alt=”8″ />
<img src=”img/numbers/a9.png” alt=”9″ />
<img src=”img/numbers/acomma.png” alt=”,” />
<script type=”text/javascript” src=”http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.7.1/jquery.min.js”>
<
/script>
<script type=”text/javascript”>
var users = “1467976”, offset = users.length – 1, value, str = ”;
var rate = new Array(2395,2590,2588,2336,2088,1845,2073,1957,1835,1513,1333,1291,1256,1165,1167,1087,1154,1207,1421,1455,1591,1830,1989,2291);
</script>
<script type=”text/javascript” src=”js/regform.min.js”>
</script>
The actual counting function is hidden in that 2nd to last line, the regform.min.js, which is shown below
function increase_number(){document.getElementById(‘counter’).innerHTML='<img src=”img/numbers/a’+value+’.png” width=”51″ height=”64″ alt=”‘+value+'” />’+str;if(value<parseInt(users.charAt(offset))){value++;setTimeout(increase_number,100);}else{str='<img src=”img/numbers/a’+value+’.png” width=”51″ height=”64″ alt=”‘+value+'” />’+str;offset–;setTimeout(increase_users,100);}}
function increase_users(){if(offset<0){next_user();return;}
if(users==”0″)return;value=0;if((users.length-offset!=1)&&((users.length-offset-1)%3==0)){str='<img src=”img/numbers/acomma.png” alt=”,” />’+str;document.getElementById(‘counter’).innerHTML=str;}
increase_number();}
function add_user(){var i,j=0;users=”+(parseInt(users)+1);str=”;for(i=users.length-1;i>=0;i–){str='<img src=”img/numbers/a’+users.charAt(i)+’.png” alt=”‘+users.charAt(i)+'” />’+str;if(i>0&&++j%3==0)str='<img src=”img/numbers/acomma.png” alt=”,” />’+str;}
document.getElementById(‘counter’).innerHTML=str;next_user();}
function next_user(){var today=new Date();var hour=(today.getUTCHours()+1)%23;setTimeout(add_user,rate[hour]+Math.round(Math.random()*50));}
$(document).ready(function(){$(‘#registration input, #goals’).val(”);$(‘#gender:eq(0)’).attr(‘checked’,true);$(‘#country’).val(0);$(‘#backRegForm’).live(‘click’,function(){Recaptcha.reload();$(‘#regresult’).css(‘display’,’none’);$(‘#registration’).css(‘display’,”);chkForm(true);});increase_users();});
Updated Analysis of this supposedly Charity (where’s the proof it’s got 501c3?) and how fake’s the membership counter
http://kschang.hubpages.com/hub/Researching-a-company-online-is-it-a-scam-or-not-This-is-how-to-do-it-yourself-DIY
FYI, US Secret Service also tracks financial scams. And they have an office in Las Vegas. 🙂
@ K. Chang
The counter is definitely fake as proven by Wazzub themselves!
They lied. But stupidly.
Why did I say that?
You see, they came up with a so-called charity website at a time when their Wazzub sign up page was down/offline. Unfortunately they made a mistake by placing the same bloody “counter” from their sign-up page onto the charity webpage which continues to “clock upwards”.
They are liars. They have had NOTHING to show. The only way to show that they are doing GREAT is to trick people with the number of people who join them.
The counter is rather ingenious if you don’t look at it closely and read the javascript. The counter use different count-up rates depending on the hour of the clock.
Note the “rate” array has 24 entries. It counts up faster (about 1.1 seconds each) during the daylight hours and slower (about 2.2 seconds) during the night. It also adds a random value between 1 and 50.
What’s interesting is they also increment the starting number throughout the day (based on what, I have no idea). Just checked it now and the user variable is now initialized to 1483794, and the array was initialized with completely different numbers than I checked this morning.
Refreshing it yet again shows the user variable is now 1484131, so there’s some sort of internal counter they’re incrementing in their PHP server.
I think the array was populated by a random number generator with plus and minus values from a baseline. Checking raw HTTP packets confirm they are using PHP 5.1.6 even though it looks like plain HTML.
Oh, and they added Suite 364 back to the WHOIS records. 🙂 Guess they got tired of people yelling at them being a virtual office.
Interesting… Wazzub.info is up, but Wazzub.com now requires a login and password.
I’m talking about the main wazzub.com. Is there a reading comprehension problem on your part?
If you can spot anything that’s not true, or more info about Wazzub itself that can be verified, please share it. Otherwise… it’s clear you’re just here to troll us with insults.
So even you admit the addresses they gathered is useless. So why gather them at all? Why would they promise to pay you for useless e-mail addresses and your friends’ as well?
Use your brain, man, not blind faith in “positivity”.
@Leon de Wet
There are so many scams on the internet and so many people so hungry for that little bit of extra cash, that I find it quite satisfying that there are others that check these things out and make sure people are safe.
This site obviously has credibility issues – If credibility issues are there, there must be something wrong. At the end of the day scams makes money for their implementers.
I am glad about this forum as I am sure it is just a matter of time and these people will find out what is the real goal of Wazzup.
I’m a member a wazzub but did not join because I believe they will eventually succeed so i can make some cash…I joined them because there is not much to lose.
Since you don’t have to pay any fees, I decided that it was better signing up then not doing so and regretting it later.
When Google first started up as a an idea, many people probably laughed at them and told them how they had no chance and everything…Only a few believers invested and it worked out well
Now, Wazzub have some questions to answer and I hope they can clear them out, but I, myself, is not losing anything if they fail or if its just some scam to steal email…I can always change email.
Okay well seriously I am NOT a SCAM shouter, but I read every single review on every single site and all the official wazzub site infos like faq support and blogpage. But I still wasnt convinced that this is for real, because it simply hasnt prooven anything yet. So I went to this webinar yesterday with Gee Dacosta.
Yeah well and what can I tell you about this “webinar”
There was 1 hour (a WHOLE hour) were he just kept repeating himself, kept repeating the infos we already know and NEVER EVER said any fact or proof that could actually make us believe. He wants us to believe what he says without proof = scam.
Many asked why this website is so ugly and why there is no Terms of Service like AGB’s or something. He answered they want to keep it simple, and HERE IT IS: he said: EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO KNOW YOU KNOW ALREADY. you dont need to know more. Just start believing..
Okay thats such an EPIC FAIL sorry but thats the typical talk to the mentally retarded.. And sorry to say that 90% of the guys in that chat (and btw 90% of all pro-wazzub users in the internet) were actually very dumb, maybe even children…
+ another weird fact: There are (pretent to be) 1,4 million members that have joined so far!! Okay WHY EXACTLY are there only close to 300 guys listening to the webinar?? When there are so many facts and answers to the really important question yet to be given? Im just wondering..
@Jim. Well done. I could not have put it better. You and I are prepared to take the “egg on the face”. I wonder if the likes of the meticulous Mr Chang is prepared to do so. We will all know in the next 60 days.
i have a question,
1- if wazzub is so BIG, BIGGER than facebook or anything, even google, why is that their site is so simple, it look like was made from some cheap template?
2- if wazzub is so BIG,. why is it that they rely on facebook page,. now even blogspot? why not launch your own facebook and blogspot.
3- its prelaunch? but i dont see anything from the page. xcept for signups. what are wazzub offering, search engine? social page? another youtube? its like im saying, i have 100million US dollarz, but cant even show any proof. all that i offer is a picture of my wallet.
4- charity, first they say they want to GIVE money, now what? please donate to us?
5- whats next? im not suprise if suddeny when they lauch, they want admin fees, membership fees and anything.
heck, they can even say that its an investment.
where i live, there are lots of stuff like this, they say, FREE seminar, on how to be RICH, how to UNLOCK your potential, its FREE. but then, of course, there are *processing fees*, of 50$. im not suprise wazzub turns to be this kind of stuff.
their members is full of greedy people. type of parasite that would do anything for money,. garbage of society.
@kenbachizaraku Quote “their members is full of greedy people. type of parasite that would do anything for money,. garbage of society.”
My friend, please feel free to slate Wazzub as much as you want, but when you start to get personal it is unbecoming of a respectable human being. If you have this hatred for the company, don’t put the blame on members who have a differing opinion to yours. We all have choices and opinions. I respect yours, kindly respect mine and kindly refrain from calling me greedy & garbage of society. You do not know me nor have walked in my or anyone elses shoes. Thank you!
@leon de wet While i disagree with the way kenbachizakaru described you i must say it seems your overwhelming belief in wazzub seems to be driven more by Greed than Common Sense or Logic
I guess I don’t get what all the fuss is about. Seems like a freeroll to me (to use a poker analogy).
The only risk seems to be providing a name and email address, and if it results in spam one can always unsubscribe or delete the emails.
ANY potential positive return for zero investment seems like it’s worth signing up for?
If it flops nothing is lost, and if it actually works then one can profit. What am I missing?
That’s as logical as throwing pennies down a wishing well: your wish *may* come true, and you don’t lose much if anything.
So even you agree the e-mail they gathered are useless. Why do they need them at all?
I have been on the webinar and followed all of thos blogsites and comments of pro wazzub internet users.
90% of them are just dumb and they just repeat what “Big Gee Dacosta” promises. Words words nothing but words without proof.
Sorry but the only kind of people you get with that is gullible people that believe anything, everybody else with a common sense will ask the real question, even if they want to believe, they got tricked in the past or simply look at the facts, and sorry but the facts clearly speak for a scam, I mean seriously WHERE ARE THE ANSWERS TO THE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS??? Nowhere!!
And PLEASE FOR GOD SAKE dont again refer to the official site or the blogs!! Ive searched them all!!! There are no answers to the real important questions!!! As a matter of fact I asked my questions to Gee Dacosta himself in the webinar yesterday, you know what his answer was??
We want ti keep it simple! EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO KNOW YOU KNOW ALREADY. you dont need to know more. Just start believing..
Clearly a speech of a guy that wants to get a list of many many gullibe people to sell and email list of people with attribute: gullibe. But he wont sell now. You know when he will sell it? After you Prelaunch phase stopped and the form where you fill in your real address and real name to get paid and your payment information. Then he will sell it, because then its worth something.
Not very much still (many fake accounts and many poor people without much money are joing) but still worth enough to be worth this action.. at least i guess…
As long as Wazzub wont finally give that answers Im not doing anything and have to believe its scam, they leave me no choice…
While KenbachiZakaru is a bit crude in categorizing all Wazzub-ies as greedy fools, he does have a point: all of the Wazzub-ies that I’ve encountered thus far don’t have any refutations of the facts dug up. What they have instead is 1) alternate explanations (which often makes no sense) 2) it’s not a scam because you don’t lose anything 3) it just *may* succeed.
Explanation 1) they don’t fit Occam’s razor: the simplest explanation is probably the truth, and their explanation involves several convoluted leaps of logic
Explanation 2) scam can involve something other than money or pure financial value. They can gather e-mail addresses to be sold to others or to justify price of something else. You may not lose money, but your e-mail address may be used to fake something else.
Explanation 3) there is no evidence that it *may* succeed at all.
Thus, the only explanation that people continue to believe in Wazzub, to which even they admit is not logical, can only be explained by “greed”.
@Leon de Wet
I agree with you, even if the message wasn’t directed to me. I general, it’s better to focus on the business model than people who joins it.
I used some similar terms about the situation in Norway, using expressions like “MLM-junkies” and something similar. The difference is that I know them from several opportunities they have joined. I was able to identify four of them rather quickly. The fifth one was a “forum-spammer”, but I didn’t bother to try to identify him. The descriptions were also limited to a specific market.
I consider those expressions to be close to “factual descriptions” of a situation rather than of people, since the topic in my post was about the situation in general. I’ll guess you can agree in this?
The expression “boring” has been used related to actions and to personalities, with all the faking as the major example. I even visualized it in one of the comments.
I consider these kinds of expressions to be safe to use, because hardly anyone will feel them as personal insults. I’ll guess you can agree in this?
kenbachizaraku’s post started with POINTS 1-5 about the company, then he switched to “where I live” and without the points. None of us knows if he described the local situation or all the members in Wazzub. I’ll guess you can agree in this? 🙂
He may have delivered a true and factual description of the local situation where he lives (greedy, parasites, etc.). 🙂
@Leon de Wet
kenbachizaraku even visualized the situation in detail, much like I did in my post.
To feel personally insulted you have to live in the same area as him, do some of the stuff he describes, and be a member of Wazzub. And then it will be your word against his, whether the description “greedy people. type of parasite that would do anything for money,. garbage of society” is factual or not. 🙂
@Leon de Wet
If you’re insisting on feeling insulted by kenbachizaraku’s descriptions, then you’ll have the risk that somebody else will start to make jokes.
Like this:
“I have analysed kenbachizaraku’s post. Parts of his descriptions seemed to be a little exaggerated, or maybe we should call them ‘colourful’. The material looked ‘organized’ and was separated into points. He did also involve personal experiences in the description, but separated this part from the rest of the stuff and identified the experience. All in all, it looked ‘trustworthy’ if you’re able to ignore the colourful language.”
“You on the other hand seems to believe in exaggerated numbers? And have to specify the number of braincells involved in the decision?” 🙂
There is no proof of 1.5 mil Wazzub-ies other than Wazzub’s own claim.
Thank you so much, @K. Chang and others for this beautifully-researched discussion. I can’t wait for the denouement of the hilarious Wazzub story, and meanwhile, I’ll keep coming back to read more of what you’re saying. Cheers!
the webinar part 1 video…really sucks…i still can’t tell from this long research and open discussion if wazzub is legit or not. coz we still don’t know the real owners or investors of this site….
i agree is a network marketing site but what are they up to…they sited google,etc everybody knows google is into advetisements…so what are they really up to
GUYS, YOU KNOW HOW FACEBOOK STARTED AVERYONE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CREATE SOMETHING, OR FACEBOOK WAS THE FIRST IN THIS CLASS? OR GOOGLE HAS BENN THE ONLY SEARCH ENGINE?
LET OTHER CREATE WHAT THEY THINK THEY CA DO, IF THERE’RE NOTHING TO LOOSE WHAT TH PROBLEM ANY WAY WHAT THEY SAY IS REAL GOOGLE ANF FACEBOOK MAKE O LOT OF MONEY AND THEY PAY NOTHING TO THE USER,
PLEASE LET THEM TO MAKE IT, YOU NEVER KNOW, AND WHAT IF THEY MAKE SUCCES? WHAT YOU GONNA DO?
@Chief
I would have told if I suspected some serious problems in joining Wazzub. I don’t consider reduced or zero payment to be a ‘major risk’. Running a ‘free to join’ website is of course legit. Collecting e-mail addresses in a memberbase is legit, too.
I have a few concerns about the 3 fake companies, since 2 of them aren’t needed if the meaning was to impress someone. These kind of companies are very commonly used in investor frauds.
@Pedro Vallecanto
We haven’t tried to stop them, either. I have even “invited” leaders in Wazzub to post their viewpoints, a total of three times since the beginning of January.
Those who will find this article and thread useful are mostly people who wouldn’t have joined Wazzub, anyway. We only make it a little easier for them to find the information they are looking for.
Most people who really are interested in Wazzub have joined it in January, or will join it later.
If this website had been a problem for recruitment we would probably have heard it. The only problems I can see are if people starts asking difficult questions about the fake companies on Wazzub’s own websites.
If you have experienced problems in your own recruiting because of this site, then you probably have tried to recruit someone who wouldn’t have joined anyway.
If you receive negative feedback in recruiting because of this site, feel welcome to show them the first parts of this post?
“I would have told if I suspected some serious problems …”
“I have a few concerns about the 3 fake companies …”
I’ve pretty much read everything on this entire page, so I know you guys aren’t directly attacking this site or anything…
…but you’re also not telling people NOT to ask questions on their FB page…right? 😉
I thought Wazzub’s facebook page was shut down?
And if I remember it was commented that criticism and awkward questions were being removed from Wazzub’s Facebook page, so there wasn’t much point publishing anything there.
From what I was told, Wazzub became a blacklisted word on Facebook. Not sure how that’s done, but any post that contained the word Wazzub was apparently moved to /dev/null (geek joke)
And you actually have ANY proof that Wazzub *can* do any of this? Who’s behind it? Do they have any of Google’s engineers? Facebook’s managers? No. The only thing you know FOR SURE is one guy, Gee DaCosta, who’s been in at least six MLMs in the past six years. You don’t know ANYTHING ELSE that can be confirmed (oh, and they released a song, that’s for sure).
Sure they do: Zynga made plenty of Facebook games that made tons of money, and Google have Adsense that made plenty of money for its members. And again, can you even PROVE that Wazzub is in the same segment, other than their own claims, which are UNPROVEN?
Why the secrecy? Why the non-sensical mode of operation? Why the multiple addresses? Why nobody in the company except this serial MLM guy dare to show their names or faces? Why should we trust Wazzub?
Thus far, it is not a ‘scam’ in the sense that it doesn’t want your money (yet).
However, it has started Wazzub Charity which apparently *does* want your money (with no proof of 501(c)(3) status).
And it does want your name and e-mail address, which EVERYBODY, including Wazzub supporters, agree that you should sign up with a throw-away e-mail address. So such e-mail address would be useless to Wazzub.
So the question you should ask is: why collect them at all? What can Wazzub do with those 1.5 million e-mail addresses in the future (so they claim)? How do they PROFIT from those e-mail addresses which are throwaways?
The logical answer is sell them to spam lists… esp. those advertising income opportunities… as everybody on the list is receptive to the idea of getting something for nothing (i.e. gullible).
They don’t even need to sell a lot of them. Just parse them out and sell 10000 at a time sorted by domain, country code, time of joining, referals, etc.
They can always make up another song, T-shirts, mugs, and other tchotkes as fund raisers.
I don’t know how many songs they sold, but it must be in the thousands. That by itself is profitable. And who knows where that “50% donated to charity” went to?
I joined Wazzub recently, believing that if one do not have to pay for facebook, it make sense, only advertisers in future will pay.
I signed up a number of people rapidly, my downline go no into the third generation. The website only show first generation. I want to be able to see all generations, so I tried to access that info, with no success.
So now I try to contact Wazzup support or office, there are no contact details, only adresses. I google the address and find it is the same building as Nevada Bank, I googled the bank and send an email to the bank manager by asking him if he knows this company in suite 364 in the same building. If he know them, can he please walk there and check it out and ask them for an email nr. so I can contact them for technical support.
If he reply to my email, I will post it. I will also post the contact details. This look like a great opportunity and I will pursue it if I can make contact, otherwise just call it a day after one weeks marketing and let everybody know that I stop.
From sunny South Africa. holding thumbs.
Right. I can SO picture the bank manager walking over to suite 364, LOL. My guess is you’ll never get a reply to that email.
This being said, you started off with some good ideas. It’d be interesting if someone who lives in Las Vegas could check out the place. Or if someone could call one of the businesses there (or the reception, if there is one) and ask if they know about Wazzub. Though I would not advise asking them to go to the suite asking for an email 😉
@Vic de Klerk — excellent! You now realized that there are some GLARING problems or inconsistencies with the story that Wazzub had told. If they can’t even let you see the generations / tree / matrix / whatever now, how can they build a search engine or whatever they claimed?
At least check, there were at least 72 businesses at that same building. However, it’s also a virtual office provider (sold through Regus, look it up) so who’s to say they’re really there? I doubt the bank manager would do you that sort of favor though.
I would put a Craigslist ad in Las Vegas section, that says: I need video / photographic proof of what’s inside suite 364 at the lake mead address, and I’ll offer $10 USD (or whatever’s a reasonable figure) to whoever is in the area. It can be done in 5 minutes (or less). 🙂
@DxSizzle
I tried to help Pedro Vallecanto with a solution to his problem (negative feedbacks or something?). I do NOT recommend posting difficult questions on Wazzub’s websites.
I would probably have done it myself I had found any need for doing it. So far they seems to be able to create enough mess themselves, without any “help”.
This is an MLM review site, not an organized “Citizens Against all Possible Scams (CAPS)”. Of course we have discussed starting a “People’s Movement against Wazzub” or something, but so far it hasn’t been done. Demonstrations outside a virtual office doesn’t have the right effect.
The bank manager responded back to me in early hours of his day, he gave me more detail. I did not manage to get an email address, but the telephone nr of Regus in that building is 7025624000 and I called them. The lady confirmed that Wazzup use an office there. I asked for an email address so that I can contact them with technical support. She asked me to hold, but after a while she informed me that her office systems are down and that she cannot pick up the email details.I told her over the phone my email details and asked her to please go and give it to the Wazzup office with my request that they must email me for support. She promised to do so. This morning I did not yet received an email from Wazzup, it can be that the lady wrote down my address wrong or it can be that she did not find the time to relay my request to Wazzup. I posted the tel nr of Regus here. Can somebody closer to Las Vegas than me please call and get an email address for Wazzup from the Regus office and post it on this site? Then we take it from there.
For the person who can just picture himself how the bank manager take a stroll over to the Wazzup office.. If anybody in the world ask me a favour like that, to help him with an urgent matter and it is not too far out of my way, less than 2 miles, I will do it, and many people in South Africa will do the same.
It must be a cultural thing, then. Imagine the bank manager after reading your email: “Oh, well, I have nothing better to do with my time right now, and this is from a total stranger in South Africa, whom I’ve never heard of before, I suppose I’ll go for a walk and check this out for him…” Sorry, but that just doesn’t sound very believable to me. I think you’re lucky he even responded to your email at all.
Yeah, I know I might sound cynical, but that’s what Western culture will do to you 😮 I guess it’s just not the same mentality, and I’m kind of glad there are still places where thinking like that still works. It’s somewhat refreshing. But when dealing with the US or most European countries, I would suggest adjusting your mindset if you want to avoid big disappointments.
As a followup to my previous post, I’m thinking the guys behind Wazzub may be using these cultural differences to their advantage.
I’d be curious to know the percentage of members who are non-European and non-US citizens. I suspect the numbers would be quite revealing.
@Desdenova
Do you know what FICA means? Bank managers may feel obliged to lend a helping hand..
So… is there anybody on this blog inside the USA to call Regus at 7025624000 in Las Vegas? Or is eveybody just having their say on this blog? Nobody on this blog in the USA to phone the nr and ask them to get an email address for wazzup? Then post it here so that everybody that have issues clear it up with them.I will most certainly carry on if I can make contact and have my issues sorted out.
Honestly? Calling Regus won’t tell you much, as they are PAYING Regus for a shared office (if not a virtual one). Of course the Regus receptionist will say they have an office there. That’s their job.
Not sure what FICA have anything to do with this, as FICA in the US is a Federally mandated income tax withheld from check, nothing much to do with bank.
FICA is a global action FINANCIAL INTELLIGENT CENTRE ACT designed to stop money laundering of any illegal source. Some commentators on the blog here refer to the phrase money scam. My point was that bank managers will be obliged to assist because they may think it is important, or maybe he is just of good culture not too Westernised like Desdenova think he may be. We will never know, lets forget it.
@K. Chang Where in the world are you? Did you read that I want to get an email address for wazzup from Regus.Not just to call Regus and get confirmation. I want to make contact with wazzup.When I do so, I will know what to ask, and I will let you know what they have to say.
I made another attempt today by phoning Regus to find an email address for their tenant wazzup.The lady answers, first tell me to hold on for a moment after I asked for an email address for wazzup, after 2 minutes I hang up. I waited 5 minutes and phoned back. Then she tell me she is not allowed to give email address information to me.
I wasted time and lost some money by contacting regus by phone.Wazzup dont owe me money now, and I have a problem to contact them. In May they will owe many people money, and nobody will know where to find them to pay as they promised.So, I will email all my friends that started to partake, explain to them that I investigated wazzup as good as I could and find it to be an internet scam. Bye wazzup, dream on, you have my email address, let me know when you are successful and why you hiding yourself when I needed technical support.
Well i think this is a big fraud because i check the $factor or what they call it when you have a 100 direct referral and a sub referral 5levels the $factor gos up to 9,999,999$ what the hell?.where they will get that money???..
sorry for the wrong grammar..
@Vic — I guess I was clumsy in stating on my concerns, but you essentially proved what I said: they don’t really exist except what they say. You can’t prove they really exist with anything OUTSIDE of the company itself. They are one big circular argument: I think therefore I am.
@Vic de Klerk
Wazzub has already admitted they will have problem paying 1 dollar per memeber in the first 3 months (paymonth May, June and July)
I corrected 1 error in the quote.
No wonder I never heard of it. It’s a South African law. 🙂
https://www.fic.gov.za/
Pardon my ignorance. 🙂
Search through some SEO crosslinking engines shows that Wazzub-ies have registered their own Wazzub-derived domains, such as MyTeamWazzub, WazzubMentor, and so on.
This proves that Wazzub is a term that GIT Global Investments does NOT want to protect (as they should have sued off anybody with a name close enough by now). The very fact that they did not register the company name as Wazzub Inc. proves that Wazzub can’t be serious. Why register a company called “GIT Global Investments” that runs an Internet startup that does NO INVESTMENT? The continued lack of name protection only confirms this can’t be a serious business effort.
TVI Express is the exact same way. They don’t bother protecting their domain name or have a trademark or such.
Another guy pointed me at some search results: hosted on the SAME SERVER as Wazzub.com are two defunct HYIP websites called PowerPayline.com and MaximumProfitsNow.com. Both are dead, but search results showed that MaximumProfitsNow membership was given away free by WebSiteTester.biz, and guess where this one is based in? Alpha Market Research of… Las Vegas Nevada.
And guess what’s the marketing shpiel of WebSiteTester?
Sounds familiar? Yep… same as Wazzub.
According to BBB, mail to that location was returned.
http://www.bbb.org/southern-nevada/business-reviews/marketing-programs-and-services/alpha-market-research-in-las-vegas-nv-82100
Owner of AMR is Michael A De Bias
http://www.nvannualreport.com/entities-DPC-ALPHA-MARKET-RESEARCH-INC.aspx
No, I can’t prove that this DeBias guy is running Wazzub, but there’s enough circumstantial evidence to make him a top suspect.
LOL.
Nice law, though.
WOW! What a genius ideal! So totally new, fresh, original… I love it! It’s bound to become bigger than Google, Facebook and YouTube all tossed together! Where do I signup???
Oh wait, it’s dead… Bummer 😉
They were even more magical than Wazzub, apparently, since they implied that you could make money even without a downline, just from signing up. That’s funny as hell.
I bet loads of folks still fell for it, though… (not so funny, that)
BTW, remember you found a Michael Anthony connected to Wazzub?
I wonder… Could that A stand for Anthony?
It’d be interesting to call the phone number listed for M. Anthony, ask for a M. De Bias and see what the guy says 😉 Wouldn’t be suprised if he said it was him.
Websitetester.biz seems to be similar to Wazzub
– as cheap as possible
– video with distorted voice
– Prelaunch June 2010
– Launch at 400.000 members in August 2010
– and then it disappeared for a short period of time
– new website: mytesterjobs
– lots of problems like “I can’t see my downline”
– “paid” peanuts to a few, like $0.24 for doing a survey
– marketed some junk to members
– MoneyMakerGroup, the thread went dead Oct./Nov. 2010
I don’t think they paid anything. The $0.24 for doing a survey was only a balance in the backoffice for one of the members, and it was a random job. The forum-thread went dead pretty quickly, but I’m sure someone would have told it if they had been paid.
Source (page 11 in a forum-thread):
http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Website-Tester-Websitet-t349783.html&st=150
Why they are doing this?
I’ll guess it’s a cheap method to get a list of possible “customers”. People who signs up identifies themselves as income opportunity seekers who doesn’t check too much before they sign up, and are willing to recruit people in downline, etc.
They can also test them for a period of time, by marketing some stuff to them – if they are willing to pay for stuff. Then they can introduce some new opportunities for the best recruiters that are willing to pay for something. “Quality leads” instead of junk leads.
People are doing most of the work for free, like recruiting friends and family and providing information. I’ll guess the memberss also creates som income for them.
Some of the founding members are probably paid, like some district or country “managers” and people doing other work for them.
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I’m glad I wasn’t attracted to Wazzub. 🙂
I’m glad I haven’t spent too much time “chasing them” either. It seemed like a waste of time.
Confirmed – Michael A DeBias = Michael Anthony DeBias
Most probably the same Michael Anthony connected to Wazzub.
A few interesting links that you may want to look at:
http://www.patrickpretty.com/tag/michael-anthony-debias
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PXn701M70o
http://ne.wsne.ws/?p=115”
http://www.mytesterjobs.com/newsletter.htm
Guess that solves the mystery. 😉 I’ll be updated my hub pretty soon.
@Mr. Chee
The link to mytesterjobs was funny. I have read most of the answers on that site. 🙂
What about payment? “Things Takes Time. You’re in the right position for future income. You can of course increase your income by referring companies to be tested.”
Another funny part was the invitation to become a Premium Member in MaximumProfitNow, “for just $24.90 one-time fee, will soon rise to $49.80”.
Wazzub is some sort of “IQ-test” or “Personality test”, to attract “people with exactly the right IQ and personality”.
* willing to work for free or very low salary, as long as there is a ‘potential income’ sometimes in the future (that never will happen for most of them).
* willing to believe in almost any promise.
* willing to pay small amounts from time to time, “to support the network”.
* willing to join other possible ‘potential income sources’.
* willing to recruit family and friends, or completely strangers.
* willing to refer clients (companies willing to pay)
In other words, they are looking for perfect slave workers that are willing to pay for doing work, and have the necessary working skills to become useful.
@Vic de Klerk
Why can’t you just continue, and keep us updated when something happens?
Both you and we seems to have a need for some ‘inside information’ into how Wazzub will work, like if they will try to recruit you into something else, or whatever they will do.
You don’t have the right personality for them anyway, since you’re asking difficult questions and use other sources than their official websites.
As a member you will have access to most of the internal information, and be able to inform your downline for what to do. You can’t just leave them there alone? 🙂
“Downline” means personally recruited in this case, and they will have to decide for themselves what to do, whether they will inform their downline or not, or if they will quit.
Your downline might have some use for information about WebsiteTester, and other information we might find.
So Wazzub is nothing but a “lead generation system”, in other words.
The similarity to WebsiteTester.biz / MyTesterJobs.com is uncanny. 🙂
Another similarity:
Alpha Market Research doesn’t do market research
GIT Global Investments doesn’t do investments
@M_Norway
I made email contact with Regus in that building, they forwarded me the email address to contact Wazzub. I did email my issues to Wazzub.
However, before I received this contact detail, I have emailed everybody in my down line already and informed them that I am stopping due to lack of communication. I have reserved my right to be wrong about wazzup, and explained to them that I will carry on with my due diligence.
While this may be an opportunity to create a $ income, one have to make sure about the honesty and integrity of the people that create the opportunity. If one fail to make contact with the core, you might as well partake in a business project created by aliens.
I will most certainly not carry on just to see what is going to happen, they need me, they must come forward and meet me, and assure me.
Found a Michael DeBias on Google Plus, but not sure if it’s the same guy.
https://plus.google.com/108028077865514963077/about
The website he’s peddling, makemoneywithnocost.com is registered to a Michael Deluca of Quincy MA, which simply forwards to Wazzub.com
(thanks, Claret)
Spokeo says this guy should be in his 60’s. No idea how accurate that is.
http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=Michael+Debias,+Las+Vegas,+NV&s0=c#:2388646037
And AllAreaCodes spat out a different phone number
http://www.allareacodes.com/reverse-phone-directory/702-824/
From my experience with Wazzubies (on here and elsewhere) I’d say this sums it up pretty well!
And there unfortunately seems to be no lack of individuals fitting the above description 😮
So now we know who the big boss is.
Funny how complicated it is just to get to his name. One could wonder what he may have to hide…
@Vic de Klerk
I’m not a networker, but I know alot of them through forums where I have been active.
Most experienced networkers will take care of their downline, like you did when you started to do some independent research for them.
Wazzub has wasted your time and some money, but you can still score a few points in how you’re able to handle the situation – in relation to your own downline.
You don’t need to carry out just to see what is going to happen, but you might score a few points if you carry on to monitor the situation and make some decisions when needed.
Some decisions that are needed now:
* Whether or not you should inform your downline about details?
* a plan for how they can inform their downline.
* a plan or decision for what to do.
* “shall we monitor the situation or withdraw completely?”
I’m not a networker, but I would probably have stayed there for a while and tried to score some points, wherever the points are available (I haven’t identified them yet).
You might score some points if you deliver factual information to your downline, preferrably a little more information than you have now.
You might also score some points with a different strategy. Making quick decisions based on “we have enough info already, there’s no need to waste more time” is also a good strategy.
Usually it will be better if you involve your downline in the decisions, and let people accept them before you make and execute the decisions.
* “We have the choice either to stop now or to continue. If we choose to continue, then we can …”.
I’m not a networker, but I have lots of experience as a leader in ordinary business. I would have involved my downline in the decision, and I would have tried to identify some possible points to score before quitting.
GoDaddy spat out different info… makemoneywithnocost is registered to “Michael Anthony” with an apartment address in Las Vegas. makemoneywithnocost autoforwards to Wazzub
All the threads are pointing toward this guy as the head of Wazzub.
Noticed something else: any one care to compare the voice between that Youtube video of WebsiteTester.biz vs. the that “Wazzub Webinar”? I thought they sounded the same but I’m not sure.
Pardon the somewhat unrelated post, but found a case where the registered company agent may be part of the scam.
Kenneth Wayne Leaming’s company was registration agent for two known mail fraud companies, and Kenneth Wayne Leaming is listed as officers in both of these fraudulent companies that officials say netted over 2 million dollars. Kenneth Wayne Leaming, who is sometimes known just as Kenneth Wayne, was involved in Ponzi scheme AdSurfDaily.
http://www.patrickpretty.com/2012/01/27/bulletin-fugitive-found-with-adsurfdaily-figure-kenneth-wayne-leaming-back-in-jail-after-judge-revokes-bond-timothy-shawn-donavan-refused-to-be-sworn-as-witness-at-pretrial-hearing-in-arkansas-mail/
Interesting that so many people get the idea of dropping their last name and just go by the first and middle name, heh? (Reference “Michael Anthony” above)
There is no email, no contact info /except for their reg address/.
There is no way you can unsubscribe.
There are no terms and regulations to be accepted.
I think it is a SCAM.
New link: someone found “wazzubcharityfunds.org”, separate from Wazzubcharity.org. The former is run by another MLMer “Joel Pastor”. No idea what’s the relation between the two.
I’ve come across Joel Pastor promoting Wazzub all over the Internet recently. I first thought he was just a Wazzub member. I might be wrong…
He listed himself as a Wazzub employee:
http://www.manta.com/c/mx7fs4m/wazzub
http://sixfigureformula.wrytestuff.com/swa813187-Wazzub-Build-A-Referral-Chain-And-Make-Money-The-Easy-Way.htm
Owner of the up and coming personal development website:
http://www.sixfigureformula.biz/
Also owns:
http://wazzubonline.com/
Crazy, there are probably thousands of Wazzub+something domains being registered already!
Google “Joel Pastor + Wazzub” to see more.
I left out something…
Listed in http://www.manta.com/c/mx7fs4m/wazzub
Company: Wazzub
Company Contacts: Joel Pastor, Marketing Rep
Business Categories: Employment Agencies and Opportunities
Wazzub Business Information:
Employees – Over 10,000
Years in Business – 5
lol….
@Chee
The search hits were mostly junk from page 3 or 4. “PakistanTube”, “IndiaTube”, “FreePressRelease”, “WriteJunk” and other junk marketing methods.
He clearly fits the profile of being a true Wazzub-ier.
* no difficult questions
* false or real positivity
* willingness to believe in almost anything
* willingness to work for free, for a potential payment in the future
* willingness to pay
* working skills (being able to produce and distribute spam)
He has an additional skill, too:
“Wazzub is the greatest that ever has happened in my life!” sounded realistic when it came from Joel Pastor. 🙂
Greetings from Serbia!
Last night i got an invitation from a friend to signup, and it was all unbelievable, better to say improbable (especially earning thousand of dollars for nothing…oh, boy). So I did a little research and among other sites I came across on this great article.
Now, there is no doubt in my mind that this is scam, and naturally I will say no them. Behind wazzub is a very obscure background and many unanswered questions, that wazub staff or wazubies failed to clarify, instead they replied with “mature” statements about emotions and believes in a project (if anything else didn’t, that alone would convince me that this IS a scam).
But, unfortunately, there is still ongoing recruitment. So I will send an e-mail to my friend, with my views on wazzub and a link to this article, hoping that he will see the other side of this story.
I will also send that e-mail to other friends, and who knows maybe they will inform their friends too, thus making the wazzub awareness (but I’m not sure will it be so needed advertisement for them).
I bow to You, people, You are doing some really good work in this discussion with your research..
Thank You….
I’m really surprised and shocked at the way, most of you have persistently attacked Wazzub right from the beginning of this post. Who said Google was the first search engine or the facebook, the first social network.
Please do your research well. They all grasped some concepts that already existed and changed certain things about them. And Please, Wazzub is not going to be just a search engine. It’s far beyond that.
You also claim the number of users have been falsified. WOW!!! Then, i guess the number of facebook users have been falsified as well. Or even maybe Alexa rankings. Wazzub’s growth was so phenomenal that, facebook (identifying them as a threat) even had to close their official page.
There are so many outright scams on facebook that have had their pages running for so many years. Please ask yourself, that why was Wazzub’s page shut down so quickly. The answer is obvious. Its so evident, that Wazzub is genuine.
But there are so many guys out there, trying to bring them down (for selfish reasons). I can assure you, Wazzub has a good conscience. Right from the beginning they have made it clear, 50% of their profits.
So what if they dont make profits, they don’t make any payments. Unlike most of the systems that failed because they had promised to make payments whether they made profits or not.
There are so many things to write about but i dont think it is even necessary. Just get your facts right and stop spreading evidence without substance.
I didn’t realize that you had to either believe in far fetched conspiracy theories, or just be amazingly gullible, as a requirement for joining Wazzub.
I thought all you needed was an email address and the ability to pronounce “waaazzzzzzzuuuuubbb”.
@William
Sorry, attacked? Come now, Wazzub isn’t some poor helpless granny – it’s a business. Let’s leave the emotive salesspeak at the door. Wazzub has been heavily critized following analysis of their business model.
Nobody.
Yes, we know, we know. It’s going to be a do-everything portal with news, daily deals yada yada yada – all been done before and in every instance has either failed to capture the market or outright failed.
You mentioned that Facebook/Google ‘all grasped some concepts that already existed and changed certain things about them’, so what are Wazzub changing?
Nothing. Commissions aside they aren’t bringing anything new to the table that hasn’t been done before (and worked).
Considering they don’t have a fake statistics counter randomly generating user numbers… nope.
Nah… it was because their members were using Facebook to spam the shit out of the opportunity. Facebook don’t like spam.
Companies don’t have conscience’s, they have business models. Thus far Wazzub’s business model has been nothing but epic fail.
Then it’s a giant waste of time and the owners walk with hundreds of thousands if not millions of email accounts they’ve harvested.
Gullible people like you seem to consistently miss the value in such lists. Think about it, you have over a million email addresses of people who will believe anything you say ‘Facebook is scared by us, haha they shut us down!’ – you could sell these gullible morons practically anything.
Wazzub was attacked for its empty promises and shady background.
Nobody here did. Perhaps a voice in your head said it.
That is what they CLAIMED. Have they demonstrated ANYTHING to PROVE their claim? Not a single thing.
The number just ticks up by itself, even after Internet connection has been severed from the PC. If that doesn’t prove to you that the counter is a fake, nothing will.
The facebook user stats are reported by third-party counters, not by Facebook. Here’s one back in 2011:
http://www.socialbakers.com/blog/171-facebook-is-globally-closing-in-to-700-million-users/
Alexa rankings are easily manipulated through “AlexaBooster” services.
http://forums.seochat.com/alexa-ranking-49/alexa-booster-10326.html
Your conspiracy theory is rather hilarious, as it required accepting a ton of unproven statements as “fact” as well as twisting logic into a pretzel.
The answer is obvious: there are too many Wazzub-ies spamming facebook.
False attribution, ad hominem attack. You can’t dispute any of the facts we dug up, so you have to attribute some “evil cause” to us. That proves you are a lousy debater who don’t have any facts.
Nope, 50% of their profits from that one SONG. Besides, it is 50% of PROFITS, or 50% of PROCEEDS? And donate to WHO? And what is WazzubCharityFunds? Is it a 501(c)(3) registered non-profit with the IRS?
You are not asking the questions at all.
So what if they wasted time and lives of 1.5 million people that they claimed, and make fools out of all those people including you? So what if they now have your email address and names, and know who are more gullible to such offers in the future?
Our facts are perfectly straight. You should take your own advice and check your own facts. You’ll find virtually nothing supporting your own opinions.
@William
Wazzub was banned from Facebook because of too many reports of “Report scam” and maybe other reports, and it’s related to Wazzub’s own ideas.
In one of their videos they encourage people to recruit as best as they can, and that includes using spamming methods. I’ll guess Facebook will ban any opportunity that becomes a problem for other users.
Of course Wazzub is genuine. They’re backed up by 3 fake corporations.
Attacking Wazzub?
This website doesn’t ATTACK Wazzub. There’s alot of factual information here, and we don’t call it “attack”. Factual information is neutral info, what anyone can find if they search for it.
There’s a balance between positive and negative opinions here too, with no “filtering” of specific viewpoints.
We advise people NOT to “attack” Wazzub or to start “chasing” it. I have done this at least 2 or 3 times, and I have never encouraged anyone to do otherwise.
Joining Wazzub?
I believe anyone who really feels Wazzub is worth joining should join it. Some might even feel Wazzub is the best opportunity that has happened in their whole life, and I don’t see any reason why they shouldn’t join Wazzub.
The chance to join a team with Michael Anthony deBias, “Honest Gee DaCosta”, Joel Pastor and others is probably a “once in a lifetime” opportunity for some people. 🙂
Greetings 🙂 Just thought i’d jump in on this discussion as well as the one on KChang’s thread.
I have done a fair amount of research on Wazzub over the the last month (uncovered the Debias association amongst other things), and have become strangely intrigued and entwined in understanding how Wazzub is evolving from it’s initial promises to it’s destiny.
It seems to me that Wazzub is just viral marketing effort with no initial substance behind it’s product offering. The question in my mind however is “What is the intent associated with this?”. By this I mean
a) did someone like Michael Anothy Debias (I’ll call him MAD for short), sit there one day and think, hey I have the skills to be the next leader and founder of a company like Facebook and Google. Perhaps I don’t have a product, but if I can get enough people behind me (given my MLM experience) then we can carve a product as we go; or
b) did someone like Michael Anothy Debias (I’ll call him MAD for short), think I have made money in the past by conning people in to handing me thier personal details based on false promises (mytesterjobs), can I do it again? The public may be wary of me given my direct association with the afore mentioned company. Perhaps I need to remain anonymous and set up a string of companies to divert my association (GIT Investments – I’ll call them GIT for short) (Hey just spotted, MAD GIT :))
To me, the answer to the intent question is engrained in the personal traits and history of the person. Whilst I seldom judge on first appearances, I feel safe in judging on historical merit spanning a reasonable amount of time.
The fact is that Wazzub is on appearance just a badly put together marketing engine, and nothing more than this. Basic websites, poorly put together presentations, apparent mistakes in judgement over setting up the company names. Effective marketing and PR doesnt make these kind of mistakes.
So, if we are to believe the wazzub smoke and mirrors engine that the whole marketing method is a creative ploy to recruit people effectively without the need for vast marketing funds, then you sort of have to question their judgement at the very least. If this approach was just a vehicle to releasing a great product, then why not do it properly? Why make so many mistakes, why hide the ownership etc
To me it’s apparent that it’s not a vehicle, it is the whole substance of the company. I’m still not sure to what stage it will continue before it falls over. Assuming that they don’t completely abscond prior to beta release, then on launch I expect to see some kind of poorly put together (and openly available) wazzub branded PHP Social Networking Script, which perhaps sits on top of Google / Adsense.
If I had joined Wazzub, it would be at this time that I would most likely be exploited. You’ll be asked to fill out your profile, personal details, preferences, payment details for commissions etc etc. You can be exploited in one of two ways here:
1. Its an outright scam – all your details nicked, sold and you just sit back and watch as nothing ever happens with Wazzub, you don’t get paid, but the site is left lingering as if it’s just a case of not working (or perhaps the Wazzub PR will start blaming the Nay sayers)
2. It’s not an outright scam, but you will be subject to aggressive marketing and spam as a member of the Wazzub Homepage in order for them to create revenues from advertisers. An odd little circle this as the company will only make money from the members and then have to pay the members 50% of the profits that they make.
Again, looking at historic evidence of MAD’s other projects, my gut feel is number 1 above.
It makes me laugh when I see the comments that the wazzubies post on these scam threads, defending thier own judgement, not even understanding why they are doing it. They are wrapped in an illusion that they will be receiving 4 and 5 figure monthly salaries for the rest of thier lives.
Why can’t I find an instance of another successful long running company that initially offered its ‘pre-launch members’ salaries for life just for recruiting a few other people at the time of pre-launch. I’ll tell you why; it’s a completely unsubstainable business model. “But its fresh, its new, its the power of We” – Have a word with yourselves.
Anyway, i’ve enrolled myself on Wazzub s exciting webinar happening this week and look forward to being proved wrong. Until then, I’ll keep digging and doing my own due dilligence.
Keep up the good work lads.
@Claret,
Superb reading, as much of the other material on here. I too have become strangely intrigued – more from the perspective of observing the psychology of the wazzubies.
I have a modest Facebook network of around 450, many of whom have a mind-body-spirit approach to the conducting of their lives. For some, the inspiration is the ‘Law of Attraction’ as portrayed by the movie ‘The Secret’ (promising the fulfilment of all your desires with three vision boards and an affirmation); and also writers such as Eckhart Tolle, who possibly pips Deepak Chopra as foremost best-seller in a field that includes a multitude of publications containing the word ‘quantum’.
I should add that I spend much of my time exploring ‘frequency’, ‘vibration’ and the nature of personal reality as a self-made human guinea pig taking the empirical approach to larger questions of existence; and I find that part and parcel of getting real with the results is the ability to smell a rat from quite far off.
It is addictively fascinating to observe a subset of the above group having succumbed to the Wazzub disease. I am looking forward to viewing the egg on their respective profile pictures in due course; not because of some sort of schadenfreude, but because it would be great if they knew that they could have known better.
They do not see the emptiness of the Wazzub promise and interface, so strongly do they seem to believe that the answer to their pleading question ‘When will I be happy?’ is ‘Just as soon as someone comes along to look after you.’
Regression is not just a word you could apply to reincarnation or hypnosis within the self-help industry. Happy to talk about ‘millions’ and ‘billions’ as if it were just a matter of time – a month? Six months? – they are surely God’s gift to internet virallers such as Joe Vitale and others, selling the promise of a magnanimous parental beneficence. Oh yes, just like God’s supposed to give.
These gullibles are firmly in the line of vision (if it is appropriate to use such a word) of the Wazzub creatives (ditto); and their fatuous slogan must surely be modeled on the title of Eckhart Tolle’s most famous book, lauded by Oprah herself: ‘The Power of Now’.
It is intriguing to observe how a lot of these Wazzub-ies believe in Wazzub so much they put their own names on the line. So instead of marketing Wazzub for what it is, they are marketing Wazzub with their own social capital (read: reputation).
While all MLMs rely on personal marketing to an extent, Wazzub was somehow able to tap this without any sort of product or service, but merely with an empty promise.
Because they believe in it so much, they take everything Wazzub announced is taken as the literal truth, rather than unverified statements. Confirmation bias had taken over, and all the pseudo-science tactics started to emerge.
So far the effective factors in this viral marketing seem to be:
a) good slogan — “power of we”, gives a feeling of community, and Wazzub-ies are careful in repeating this over and over. This serves several purposes: it’s catchy, and such a slogan is one such tool in cult mind control. This slogan is noteworthy in that it is a “thought-stopping” cliche. It encourages a “us vs. them” attitude.
b) holding back info — the entire Wazzub campaign is based on not releasing info, (and convincing the members that this is normal) This is one part of the “information control” in Steven Hassan’s BITE cult model. Members who believe in Wazzub have claimed that the mystery around Wazzub is an asset, not a liability.
c) other thought control techniques such as rationalization, denial, justification, and wishful thinking (We will add 10 million users a month), as well as singing (“the Wazzub song”) have also emerged.
d) the excuses are canned “you lose nothing why not try it” which is also very reminiscent of cult tactics where members started repeating the mantra.
From Chapter 1 “Releasing the Bonds” by Steven Hassan, cult expert
Right now you have “deceptively recruit people, who in turn recruit others”. That qualifies Wazzub as a commercial cult.
@Anna
I love your writing style. Have you written any books or articles? Just had to ask even though it’s a bit off topic.
Not only was your psychological analysis on Wazzub-ies spot on, but the way in which you wrote it was very enjoyable to read on a topic which I thought I would tire of reading after 348 comments (yours being the 349th).
@Anna
I believe most the Wazzub-iers are following a much simpler strategy, something like “What do I have to loose? They don’t ask for money, and they have promised to pay for the rest of my life.” 🙂
Another idea they are following is “People must be stupid if they don’t grab the chance of free money”, feeling smarter than most other people when they grab the opportunity. The psychology is more like “feeling like a risk-taker”, and “feeling smart” when they make a decision and tries to make it work.
I haven’t read any self-help books in more than twenty years, but I believe most Wazzub-iers will be more inspired by other ideas than “The Secret” – ideas about “goal-setting”, “work smart” and similar ideas. The feeling of egg on their profile pictures are usually avoided if they move on to another opportunity before the first one fails.
I did my best to contact wazzub, I received their email address from Regus. They do not respond, they will not respond when you have done a lot of work and wait for remuneration.
They are an internet scam. Just believe it and move on.
@Jimmy
Thank you! 🙂 Not yet, but I’ve got a lot brewing…
@M_Norway
Absolutely and agree. I’m just describing a niche minority, because it has been striking just how ferociously certain members of the self-help community have been swallowing the bait.
@Anna
Can you please ask your 450 Facebook-friends to be realistic in their dreams? Before they use their vision-boards and affirmations.
Ask them to google “Florence Foster Jenkins” and/or “Olga Marie Mikalsen”? Some dreams should never be fulfilled, like “being a star” and similar dreams.
Florence Foster Jenkins massacres Mozart:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtf2Q4yyuJ0
@M_Norway
Hmmm… I see the irony appears to have been lost in translation. 🙂
Considering who we are dealing with (Wazzubies) i think getting too cerebral to be a waste if they are dumb enough to believe the BS surrounding Wazzub then using big words and concepts or quotes from famous authors goes right over their heads, maybe if we put it in comic book form they might be able to discern a little of what is actually posted here.
Some of the “articles” defending Wazzub are rather amusing to read (and pathetic upon examination).
One of them claims all you need when examining an opportunity is consider best case, and worst case. In case of Wazzub, best case you make a ton of money, worst case you get spammed and close the e-mail account. Thus, you should participate in Wazzub.
This sort of pretzel logic only makes sense if you don’t evaluate what are the CHANCES for best outcome vs. worst outcome.
In any sort of decision, there is this logic statement
if reward >= (cost * risk) then continue else stop
(credit to Daniel Bernoull, couple hundred years ago)
People who fall for scams basically failed to evaluate all three factors, and scammers do their best to misrepresent one or more of these factors.
In case of Wazzub, they have misrepresented all three
cost: while there is no MONETARY cost to join, reputation cost can be immense
risk: risk factor was completely ignored. All Wazzub-ies talk as if the company cannot fail, ever.
reward: reward was talked up as if the money is for sure… the earning factor is exactly what you’ll earn. Then all the announcements about the earnings won’t be for a couple months (if at all) are of course, elsewhere.
Hi pple. Thanks for the wide discussion. I have been stuck here wondering how the scam is realy goin to unfold…am failing to see it. I registered and many have registered under me. If the time comes and i see no pay, i give up…after all i have many email addresses, and the yahoo one i use might get spam and i block it or delte!
If the money comes…well, lucky me…
But WAZZUB should be serious and give all the necessary answers, not explaining the situation, but giving answers toa all burning questions. Pple like DAVE,should come up with a list of things that need to be explained,if the wazzabers dont respond to our satisfaction, we confirm…
The only thing keepingme there is that they havnt asked for anything yet..most scam mail i get asks me for 1 dollar per month/year, provide account info, etc…this one hasnt yet!!
Issac how many lists do you need if you read through this post and the comments so far you will see we have put every serious question forward and got only evasive answers in return as for asking something of you you have already given them it your email address and the fact that your ignorant enough to signup blindly for something without knowing what it is or what it is likely to do making you the perfect candidate for selling all kinds of junk too, so you have a throw away email however getting your other details such as home address phone number etc is easy now they have an email address you created with identity theft on the rise this information is worth more than gold and you like possibly thousands of others have simply handed it all to them on a platter as though your wearing a big neon sign saying “Please Scam Me”
grab an email address trace it gain the users name address and phone number do a little digging reveals the bank used a little more reveals date of birth country of birth just a touch more and you have a persons id right down to time of birth and the hospital doctor that delivered them from there it’s real easy to re-create drivers license passports etc in the stolen id to gain credit cards and steal hundreds of thousands of dollars and then slip away into the night leaving, you guessed it you the sucker who thought giving them an email address was harmless and worth a gamble as you had nothing to lose except a throw away email address
I spent most of this morning doing some calculations. I am happy to share the detail with anyone who requests it; however in summary I believe that the calculator on Wazzub’s site is extremely misleading.
It works on the assumption that the multiplier against your personal Monthly $ Factor is 1.0. Based on my calculations, if they had 2.5 million unique vistors a month using the site (a generous estimate I think if we assume that they may have 2.5m by launch, each with an interest in getting paid), then the actual multiplier will be nearer 0.1 (I have worked this based on an average $worth per unique user per year transposed from Googles figures).
This means that your promised $3,905 (5×5 5 gens deep), actually equates to $390 per month.
To achieve a multiplier of 1.0 they would need approximately 25 million unique visitors per month.
Of course, thats achievable, providing they have a solid product. Google achieves over 1b unique visitors a month. The fact is though that so far, there is nothing to suggest they even have a product :), and to jump from 2.5million to 25 million users will require one hell of a product given that these new 22.5 million users will not be getting paid for using it.
I am just playing deveils advocate here that the site even gets to launch stage.
The whole business model is so flawed.
@Claret
Their business model depends on 10:1 ratio between unpaid users and paid users, to be able to pay $1 per member.
It means each member will have to “recruit” 10 unpaid members after prelaunch, as an average number of recruitment.
Source for this info was Wazzub’s Facebook-page, a few weeks ago.
The only problem is that “recruiting” isn’t a good method to attract unpaid users. They seems to have more than enough problems attracting paid users, so I wonder how they’re going to attract 10 times more users without paying them.
Wazzub-team had some vague dreams about “everyone inviting more users in the first 3 weeks after pre-launch”, so I’ll guess they know exactly what they’re doing. 🙂
@M_Norway – OK yes, hadnt seen that but equates to my calculations. Just bizarre how they think this is going to work lol.
Based on what we’ve seen of Michael DeBias’ prior operations, they’ll send special offers to the members later. WebSiteTester / MyTesterJobs offered pretty bogus jobs to its members. So it’s expected that later announcements will introduce the members to various other scams that would ask for money.
Also, another possibility is ask members for “premium upgrades”. These would likely be marketed to people who joined “after” launch, claiming those who didn’t join before launch can now join for $49.
All the “founding” members will remain “free”. (Same thing was done on MyTesterJobs, with promise of “premium jobs” with premium membership).
Furthermore, they can ask their members to install Alexa toolbar and all go over to “test” a certain website, thus providing an instant boost in Alexa ratings. That alone is worth money to some people.
AlexaBooster services can cost a couple thousand dollars, and that could be spread among the users.
These are just a couple ideas off top of my head on how such a population can be exploited without them paying anything out of pocket to Wazzub. I’m sure there are plenty more.
(one possibility is the founding members who recruited paying members will get a cut of the join fee, which would make it a true Ponzi / pyramid scheme)
@K. Chang
You guys are letting your imagination run away now. Ponzi schemes only apply when you rob Peter to pay Paul. Sure you want to be pro active, but some of your comments are becoming ludicrous.
You branded people that was lured into this as Wazzab ies, but you guys are on a roll believing yourselves as know it all and will reveal it all. You have done enough, there is nothing more to say.
And yes, you did your bit to protect innocent wazzub ies. Find something else to do now, or catch another crooked scheme out.
@Claret
The number of members they claim to have is probably far from the truth.
Number of search hits in Google for “Wazzub” = 1.9 million, and the number has been relatively stable for 2 weeks. Lots of members are internet-spammers, so I don’t think they have more than a few 100,000 members.
The position for this article in search list have varied from 21 to 1 within 24 hours (meaning very few are searching for “Wazzub”, a few clicks make lots of difference). This is partly confirmed by Google trends, the number of searches for “Wazzub” seems to gradually become lower.
Google trends:
http://www.google.com/trends/?q=wazzub&ctab=0&geo=all&date=2012-2&sort=0
The list has lots of variations from January to February, meaning people seems to loose interest rather quickly.
Currently, Wazzub seems to be “hot” in Uganda. This is actually close to what I expected. 🙂
(… because it isn’t very hot where I live, so it must be hot somewhere else)
Have you actually *read* what Michael DeBias prior operations do? I am basing my projections on those, as I’ve pretty conclusively linked him to head of Wazzub.
I’ve said these are POSSIBILITIES such a list of gullible people can be exploited. They do not necessarily involve Ponzi schemes. Mr. DeBias have demonstrated these tactics in his prior operations. No particular reason why he won’t rehash them with Wazzub later.
Well, thank you for your care of innocent people. Sincerely.
As members of another alleged scam like to claim, “Time will tell.” 🙂
On a side note, has anyone done a global Patent search? I’m not entirely sure how to go about it, but I did pick up that stating you are patent pending when you are not is an offence (only punishable with a fine of $500 per incorrect marked document etc).
As they state they are patent pending, I wondered how easy this would be to investigate? Would the patent need to be registered under GIT name or could it be under an individuals name?
@M_Norway – I agree that they are likely to be a lot less in terms of real users to what they state. I have seen numerous instances when searching of people soliciting technical help to spoof IP’s for registration purposes etc.
My guess was that they are probably about 300-400k real members, with maybe up to 700-800k registered. Theres no doubt that there are a select group of recruiters out there that are very active and are likely to be recruiting a lot of people.
My guess is that these are the motivated MLM’ers and that the quality and motivation reduces drastically one or two levels down (where you will start to get the people trying to swindle the system).
I also concur with your note on where things are trending and volume of hits. My guess is that within poorer countries (I won’t state them) there is an element of organised manipulation of signup’s.
I’d be interested in seeing what the ratio was third world / poorer countries to western / richer countries for membership signup’s. This is obviously a key factor from the point of advertising revenue worth.
I followed some contacts through that MAD has direct links to and sat through some material that they preach.
I don’t know much about this space if i am honest (though am a salesman by profession), but I was intrigued with the concept that I read through on John Houlk’s site about not showing what you are trying to sell people on your first engagement with them (i.e. give them something first and build thier trust, and then go for the sell / sting after so that they are unaware its your main objective).
This completely runs true for how the Mytesterjobs site was sprung and I also think that’s how the Wazzub project will pan out. I am not 100% convinced it’s a scam per se (though arguably could still be described as deception); I think it’s a manipulation in a sales process.
The wazz-ubies form a relationship to Wazzub and a team spirit encloses them as they need it to succeed. Then slowly, (as KChang points out), the real objective is fed through (premium membership, reduced cost for enrolling in another site etc).
Derail attempt detected and ignored.
I sincerely HOPE that nothing like that ever happens to Wazzub-ies, but given Mr. DeBias’ history of prior ventures, I find that quite unlikely. So have Mr. DeBias prove me wrong. After all, it’s a “worst scenario”, and it’s worse then just losing an email address or two, isn’t it?
I’m actually laughing so hard watching this webinar – It is awful. The worst bodged together script implementation I have ever seen.
If it’s that one with Dee Costa going ‘waaaaaazuuuub?’ at the start then yeah, it’s pretty bad.
It’s like that Budweiser commercial from the 90s,
except without the 90s…
…and no Budweiser.
This is the one tonight – I have access to the site
…Lets just say I don’t think facebook have too much to worry about lol.
@Claret, can you get me some screenshots of that long personal profile fill-in screens that Wazzub Community is making you fill in now? That should prove Wazzub’s shifting position.
Looks like LinkedIn have had enough of Wazzub spam too:
Now I suppose we’ll all hear about how LinkedIn are feeling threatened by Wazzub too lol.
They already did. Conspiracy theorists said it’s due to LinkedIn’s recent IPO, gotta protect their turf. LOL.
Got a “Janet” who posted this on my hub:
When I asked her why is it ALL CAPS, her reply was
When I commented that she was ranting, she replied
There was an “argument”?
Proves that you can’t talk to paranoid delusional Wazzub-ies. They’re not in the same reality.
http://kschang.hubpages.com/hub/Researching-a-company-online-is-it-a-scam-or-not-This-is-how-to-do-it-yourself-DIY#comment-7588303
I like how these days marketing companies interchange the ideas behind something going viral and straight up spam.
There’s a difference between the two, something that appears to be lost on Wazzub and its members. They’re not the only ones either, Zeek Rewards members confuse the two terms all the time too.
It’s amusing when they get shitcanned for spam and then try to write it off as whoever shitcanned them just being against the viral campaign. Then of course the implication that the entity was indirectly somehow opposed whatever it was they were spamming rather than the act of spam itself.
Post facto justification: it’s not their fault, it must be someone else’s fault. I’ve seen it in TVI Express members.
Donna “coach of integrity” Ebreu, who you quoted in that Georgia “Cease and Desist”, posted on her website that it wasn’t TVI Express’s fault (or her fault), it’s because US is “anti-MLM”.
It’s a form of denial. It can’t be my fault or the system’s fault. It must be something else.
I like the way they emphatically state that wazzub is the first and only opportunity to share it’s revenues with it’s members when the fact is any program with an affiliate program is doing just that – sharing it’s revenues with it’s members after all the money has to come from somewhere unless your printing your own money (counterfeiting ) lol
Yuwie, a MySpace clone, was first with this model. The most people who joined under you, the more $$$ you get. It survived maybe 24 months. 2008 was the end for that, IIRC.
Two more comments about Joel Pastor
He may be deeper than others and near the top of the food chain. His name first popped up associated with Wazzub 2 months ago on Wiziq, and his first post was not to ask questions, or praise Wazzub, but to post “new video about Wazzub is up”
http://www.wiziq.com/online-class/699935-wazzub-world-wide-profit-sharing-phenomenon (do find on “Joel”)
His LinkedIn profile was blocked by LinkedIn, but Google cash says:
So this guy is a serial MLM junkie. “Customer Advantage” was a Groupon clone that has a MLM attached to it. Fits the “profile”, if such a thing exists.
I think I’ve seen him before on Hubpages. He posted a spam hub and a video praising Wazzub…. searching, aha, found it
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/91210
I can’t find him any more. I think he was canned/banned.
Internet Global Value Inc. is the real scam here.
They will call WAZZUBies to invest stock in WAZZUB prematurely. It will be a run and dump scam that works just like penny stocks.
Meanwhile WAZZUB is a dangerous project by scammers for scammers. A community of hopeful idiots who actually believe you can make easy money on the internet and can’t even do some simple fact finding. It’s a community of people that think there’s no danger in simply joining, in fact there are many dangers to giving e-mail, real name and showing who you’re friends with, especially if they are logging your IP with all of that. It is just what scammers want.
You have no idea how easily open to scammers you will be once you’re on WAZZUB… it will be a safe haven for scammers.is a dangerous project by scammers for scammers. A community of hopeful idiots who actually believe you can make easy money on the internet and can’t even do some simple fact finding. It’s a community of people that think there’s no danger in simply joining, in fact there are many dangers to giving e-mail, real name and showing who you’re friends with, especially if they are logging your IP with all of that. It is just what scammers want.
You have no idea how easily open to scammers you will be once you’re on WAZZUB. You are practically joining a sucker list. It will be a safe heaven for scammers.
I said basically the same thing above and a couple guys told me “I went too far”. Well, glad to see “great minds think alike”. 😀
@Mark
Don’t forget that some people joins it to do their own research, as members rather than ‘outside observers’.
Joining something is one of the acceptable methods people can choose when they’re checking out something, before they make any ‘commitments’ whether they should continue or not.
I have joined 8-10 forums where I haven’t been active at all, during 3-4 years. Being registered as a member was needed to be able to post something.
Some specialized forums requires membership to give access to services and information. I have joined a few computer related forums for this reason, the temporarily need for some specific information or to be able to post 1 single comment.
Information from members are usually valuable, and will often save alot of time and work. I’ll guess lots of the members in Wazzub have joined it just to check it out, instead of reading about it.
To my mind lets the time will determine…Is it scam, bogus, fake or whatever you want to call it. But obviously and normally “they” are extremely scared, shivering and uncivillise peoples that they are extremely scared that their current business will generate no more income for them and no choice have to close down because nobody interested anymore. That why they are Barking like dog without food even for only one day!
Secondly they are also extremely scared that their products will no longer marketable since it was outdated! STOP BARKING n influence the public. Lets Give Wazzub an opportunity !!!
Lets WAZZUB prove themselves that they really genuine group of peoples who are caring society n willing to help the poor around the globe just to earn a better living. Why are so jelous toward them.STOP BARKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yawn, yet another derailment attempt.
Let’s stick to the facts as they stand before us please.
Opportunity to do what? So far they’re just a bunch of empty promises. They haven’t even demonstrated the CAPABILITY OR LEADERSHIP to do what they claim, much less actually do it.
You can’t seem to distinguish between Wazzub management (i.e. GIT Global Investments) and Wazzub-ies (i.e. members to joined and waiting for money to roll in). I can believe that Wazzub-ies may be “genuine group of people”, but I have serious doubts about Wazzub management given what I found.
For one, why do they all hide their faces except one promoter, who has NO successful history in marketing other than one MLM after another?
I have been a silent follower of this thread for a while and I can say very well researched, and really good arguments.
I did join Wazzub quite a while back, before I had not come across this thread and did promote it too. I had joined using an old id I dont use, but I have not been spammed as of now. But I am really apprehensive to proceed any further
I strongly wonders now after reading gazillions of investigative entries on various mlm on this blog that whether there is any legitimate, authentic, honest online mlm exist or not.
I fail to understand if people are so sharp minded to come up with all that fraud crap then why can’t they use it for something real and big.
Probably because to receive money HONESTLY you need to give people something substantial, not just empty hopes and dreams. Empty hopes and dreams are much easier to give.
Some of these “frauds” probably didn’t start as frauds, but then, according to to Bernie Madoff, he didn’t start out intending to cheat all his clients either. (Heck, Charles Ponzi said that too)
I am afraid that next step will be to ask the registered people to send their bank account details assume that they are honest!
I believe the launch of Wazzub “community” site already have people entering a bunch of OTHER details (though AFAIK, no bank details) about their lives.
@Wallet
No one has tried to stop Wazzub. If they have any problems it’s probably related to their own ideas and efforts.
We can be VERY positive and supportive, like supporting people’s choice and give them ideas for how to use an opportunity.
Wazzub seems to be the right choice for you, so I can’t believe anyone will criticise you for being a member. Having Wazzub as a lifestyle might be the most important choice you have made in your life, so I don’t believe anyone here will interfere with that choice.
History will remember you for being one of those who brought Wazzub to poor people around the world, “exactly what they wanted and dreamed about”. 🙂
After a few years, you can probably suggest to raise a statue of MAD and/or “Honest Gee DaCosta” in your home town? Or maybe get a street or plaza named “Wazzub street” or “MAD Plaza”?
I just do not know the purpose. is not true the scheme to make money.? what they want then .. Our email? but for what?
I am Brazilian, and this is also going on around here Wazzub!
You are so negative about everything as I can see, what do you have to loose when you refer people to a new search engine that is still at pre-launch stage? Especially when it is free..
Some people are so negative that if you leave them in “dark room” they will developed. Stop wasting your time…
That’s what they *say* they are about. Have they PROVEN that they can do it or have done it? No.
Do you take ANYTHING people write on the Internet seriously? No. You’d consider its source, its supporting evidence, what other people say, etc.
So far, Wazzub has said virtually nothing on HOW they will achieve what they claim to do, or with WHAT and WHO (other than you Wazzub-ies). And what other people say is just repeat what Wazzub said. The only places that REALLY check Wazzub out you can count on ONE hand. (Here’s one of them)
As for “what do you have to lose”, do you throw money down a wishing well every day, thinking it sure couldn’t hurt? That’s the same illogical thought.
You know what else grows in the dark? Mushrooms.
You stop wasting your time on Wazzub. it’s just a bunch of empty promises.
@Prince
What you mean is that people should be positive when someone offers “free money” on the internet, and join these opportunities rather than asking difficult questions?
I can understand the logics here. People will be able to improve their lives if Wazzub pays, and if it doesn’t pay then they will have something to laugh about in the future.
Joining Wazzub might actually be a good idea. Lots of people will feel entertained if you tell them “I have joined Wazzub to improve my own life”, and if you act like you’re seriously believing in that idea. 🙂
None of my friends have shown any interest in this opportunity, so I can’t refer it to a normal group of people.
I would have to spend lots of time spamming completely strangers, and I don’t believe it’s worth the efforts and time wasted.
i wonder how wazzub being a us registered company will handle the new laws passed through and are now enforceable by the FTC
see article http://www.evancarmichael.com/Legal/5711/FTC-New-Business-Opportunity-Rule–Reduced-Disclosure-But-Increased-Coverage.html
@Dave Gilbert
Wazzub itself can’t exactly be called a “business opportunity” for the participants. It’s an income opportunity, but not a business opportunity.
A business opportunity will require some monetary investments from the participants within the first 6 months (according to FTC, but states may have additional rules).
Most business opportunities will also be income opportunities, but most income opportunities will NOT be business opportunities.
It’s like the ‘logical’ statement:
Leonardo has hair in his face.
All men have hair in their faces.
Conclusion: Leonardo must be a man.
(but Leonardo is actually a dog)
actually they will be subject under section 2 Appendix A to 12 CFR Part 437
2 Appendix A to 12 C.F.R. Part 437 (English version) and Appendix B to 12 C.F.R. Part 437 (Spanish version)
The FTC Biz Op Disclosure Document must include:
as they claim an income amount on their advertising
further this means any person or organization cannot make statements to the effect people will earn $xxxx per period of time without first substantiating that statement.
First of all, sorry for my english. This is interesting,when almost Google competitors will be, why use Google translate on his webpage?
That’s probably why they threw in that “X-Factor” thing. They think they can skirt the issue by NOT referring to it as dollars.
It will first have to qualify with being a business opportunity, before we can check any subsections? 🙂
The logical rule is called “part of bigger group” or something similar.
* many smaller groups can fit into a bigger group
* a bigger group can’t fit into a smaller group
* members of the same bigger group doesn’t have to fit into each other’s smaller groups.
Correct:
All mammals have hair in their faces.
Leonardo has hair in his face.
All men have hair in their faces.
Both Leonardo and all men are mammals.
Incorrect:
All men are dogs.
Leonardo must be a man.
@Dave Gilbert
Wazzub doesn’t qualify for point no. 2 as a business opportunity:
It doesn’t fit into the smaller group “Business opportunity”. If one of the main points doesn’t fit, none of the subsections should be applied, either.
As already discussed here the money has to come from somewhere which indicates wazzub will have to sell it’s products or services in order to receive income which is then “paid out” as commission this indicates the presence of a business and therefore wazzub would be liable under these new laws.
It’s confirmed, Wazzub now is requiring all members to enter their birthday and real name (to participate in Wazzub community).
According to their terms and conditions (why do I have a feeling they cribbed it from Google or Facebook?) they can ban you if you use a fake name.
It’s at a page called happyhour.htm
Their terms and conditions also got this bit of a dinger:
so it’s your identity they are after.
NEVER send wazzub links directly from facebook or any other social network. find a clever way to send them 🙂
WAZZUB is the GREAT OPPONENT of many big social networks and gains many followers unbelievable fast. So it is natural to not allow to promote this. 🙂
At least for the time being. Doesn’t mean they’ll stop there. And I’m guessing they won’t.
This, I think, is just step 1, serving to weed out those few (like some who have spoken up here) who still have doubts and chose to give a fake email so they can safely watch how things unfold before things get really serious.
They already have tons of emails they can sell, now I’m guessing they just want to keep those they are sure they can manipulate into buying stuff or joining other “opportunities” which would end up being more overt scams, etc.
Not to mention, of course, the next logical step: asking for bank details.
For these new purposes, I expect they wouldn’t care if they only ended up with 200 or 300 members. Though it’ll likely be more than that, unfortunately.
I’m sorry but I’ve just got to comment on the @euro post above:
Hahahahahahahaha!
So, it’s a scam or not? What do you think?
@Leighton
We don’t know anything about whether Wazzub is a scam or not, so people should trust their own instincts.
Wazzub seems to be what I would call a “honeypot”, much like their previous project WebsiteTester. People looking for an income opportunity will consider the risk here to be low, and sign up as fast as they can.
“Free money, nothing to loose, the only risk is spam” have been the most common statements from Wazzub-ies. Most of them are focusing on what they consider to be their personal risks, weighted against what they can win if Wazzub turns out to be a success.
I don’t believe Wazzub will be any major success, so for me it looked more like a waste of time than an opportunity when I started to check details.
I haven’t been attracted to this opportunity either in any ways. All the faking and false positivity makes me less interested. I wouldn’t have liked to become a member of a community where I would have to pretend to be positive, and where I would have to avoid asking difficult questions.
I have noticed one thing in my local market (Norway). Most of the experienced networkers doesn’t seem to be interested, the people that normally will join an opportunity early and build a downline – if the opportunity is worth joining.
The few who had joined Wazzub when I checked that specific market were mostly “MLM-junkies” and “forum spammers”.
All in all, I’m not very interested in this opportunity, but it isn’t exactly “designed” for me either.
@Leighton
Google trends for February 2012 makes me even less interested. It looks like Wazzub’s popularity is limited to very specific markets.
NOTE:
I used the global Google trends when I checked this, Google.com. A more local version of the search engine may show different results. Some major markets like the U.S., Brazil, India, etc. doesn’t seem to exist.
Thank you very much, M_Norway!
:))))))) Fot those who don`t know yet, the trick is called Ponzi scheme, but in fact is much better developed. Is a old trick for new idiots who dream to win money without working.
A ponzi needs money invested from members though. Unless I’ve missed something Wazzub hasn’t asked for any money yet.
The business model looks hopeless sure, but it’s not a Ponzi (yet).
They don’t ask for money, but they do ask for your private information…
You know who the owners are and where are they operating out of? You can’t just listen to what a company’s claim.
Found this very informative article. Read and think twice before jumping in this opportunity:
http://kschang.hubpages.com/hub/Researching-a-company-online-is-it-a-scam-or-not-This-is-how-to-do-it-yourself-DIY
@Margo
The method used is called “foot-in-the-door technique”, a method used in marketing and sale.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot-in-the-door_technique
It’s a method to trick the brain, but I have read some different explanations than the self-perception theory.
The brain will usually prefer to repeat the same patterns over and over again, instead of being forced to create new patterns. This theory doesn’t involve any deeper psycholgical theories, but it involves theories about how the brain works and how it tries to make things as easy as possible, by creating habits.
If you already have answered YES to a couple of questions, then the brain will prefer to continue to answer YES to related questions – repeating the same pattern over and over again. This method saves energy, but it will also create some bad habits from time to time.
The theory about “How the brain works” and “energy saving modus” fits right in.
The brain will save alot of work and energy if it follows a standardized pattern, like “If someone offers free money then join as fast as you can.” This pattern will skip all energy-consuming activities and go straight to the point of joining.
Why, thanks for the referral link. 🙂
Seems Wazzub is hot in the Philippines now. I have Filipinos come explaining to me that Wazzub needs real names from members in order to pay them, and any business can do business on the Internet so leave Wazzub alone. 😀
Though it’s interesting that he referred to a fandomain Wazzubwithwazzub.com, instead of Wazzub actual.
It’s also known as “in for a Penny, in for a Pound”, or “Crossing the Rubicon”.
Once you can get the mark to take action, (way past contemplation) it’s all down a slippery slope and no going back. So they use the ‘anchoring effect’ (i.e. let the first information, probably positive, influence your thoughts even though you THOUGHT you evaluated all info) From there on confirmation bias takes over.
Once they’re in, it becomes “sunken cost fallacy”. They have to keep going to justify all the effort they already put in.
Confirmed that Wazzub is using $249 DZOIC Handshakes_Neo Community script, with the $49 “remove DZOIC backlink” upgrade. If they actually think it’s gonna rival Facebook they can forget it.
Wazzub publishes Kindle eBook.
http://www.amazon.com/WUZZUB-Everything-need-understand-ebook/dp/B007EHQFWY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330972239&sr=8-1
Maybe I should publish one called “Everything Wazzub don’t want you to know” and price for FREE and see who downloads them.
Lolwut?
I’m assuming Kevin Wenke is just a Wazzub afilliate? I clicked preview and it reads just a like a sales capture page.
This guy thinks people will pay him money to read his sales pitch lolwtfbbq?
DZOIC confirms that Wazzub paid for Handshakes Pro license.
Just noticed that Michael Anthony (DeBias) is a member in “That Free Thing”. If you search the phone number he gave in that domain he mentioned in his Google Plus profile, his link to TFT came right up. Which would make him a serial MLM junkie much like Gee DaCosta.
Is individual NOT of Wazzub making $$$ off Wazzub name legal and/or moral?
Dunno about that but it’s certainly demonstrating ‘the power of ME’.
Every man for himself!
@k. Chang I read and I was thinking the same thing. I do understands your point completely, and I have been reached to the point where i knew WAZZUB may be real deal OR May be SCAM. Either way. This is a gateway to new business model. If Wazzub is a real deal, This won’t be first one. There will be more companies that will COPY Wazzub’s system. This is simply a Beautiful idea if it is real deal. If simply a SCAM, Won’t scare me away as WE are INTO 21st century. MLM is a FUTURE and New wave of the economy system! We evenually will accuses all MLM A SCAMMERS or WE EMBRACE them as our future income streams.
Either way, Each of us as a individuals will encounters a type of this method evenually and there is no way to hide. Have a Happy Debate!
Lastly, Speak of Google and Facebook.. They are afraid to step up just like WAZZUB(either real deal or scam) because they care about repubations which is a common due to a lot of money abusers. They rather play it safe and offer a free without any costs so they can hire people(gullible) to work for them. SAME CONTCEPT as a PYRAMID OR PONZI. I called it a slave. That is OLD SCHOOL. Wazzub is a NEW school even tho if it is a SCAM. There WILL BE A REAL DEAL company that are similiar to wazzub and pays to USERS. We will no longer a SLAVE. THINK ABOUT FUTURE if not for PRESENT. We learn the mistake and improve our ability to change it for future. For instance, We use Gas for Car.. Now, We are talking about Electric Car. SAME contcept.
I personally have no proof it is real deal or not. I give it a try because i welcomes the mistake to learn it. THAT IS REAL LEADERSHIP to improve my mistake and be a thick SKIN. That is simple instead of playing a guess game.
I joined to check it out as a internet marketer myself. The only thing I have to loose here is an email address being scam mailed more than it already is.
They have a intresting idea, perhaps it will end up being a google ad site. Perhaps they do have their own search engine and what not… Either way it is free to join and lots of people like that idea and will jump. Why not?
Perhaps the Company had failed attemps prior to. Are they not like any other? Perhap they’ve learned from their mistakes and now hold the golden goose.
I think they deserve a fair shot and if they do turn out to be scammers then I’m sure they will be prosecuted. I am willing to bet that they’re already under investigation.
with not money out of pocket, I’m willing to help them succeed in their recruiting efforts.
@Andrew — Wazzub was NOT the first with this idea. Yuwie started in 2006 and died in 2008. It’s a PAID version of MySpace, basically, where members are paid depending how many more members they recruited.
I will not debate whether Wazzub is MLM or not. They have the recruiting structure, but they are not selling anything. Add to all the “shady and suspicioius” behavior they have engaged thus far, I would say there are far better places you can invest time and effort instead of this “pie-in-the-sky” opportunity called Wazzub, but that’s IMHO.
I was just wondering what exactly do you expect to “learn” from Wazzub? IMHO, the only thing worth learning from Wazzub is how to conduct an effective viral ad campaign by hiding information and make promises not backed up by facts.
@Glen — why not? ever consider that with your birthdate, real name, and such, what can they do with that information? WHO exactly are you giving the info to, and WHY do you trust them with that info?
And how do they expect to compete with Facebook and Google+ with a $300 off-the-shelf community PHP script? Are they BEHAVING like a company with two million invested as they claimed? Do they CARE to explain why are they acting this way instead of the dodgy answer “we’re in startup mode”?
Not all scams involve money, at least right from the beginning. We’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg regarding Wazzub, and the rest may not be pleasant for the Wazzub-ies
Does Any Wazzub supporter have anything intelligent to say other than Satan offering Adam & Eve the Apple “try it”?
These arguments are so ludicrous using logical fallacy after another to string together a story that only the ignorant desperate would fall. For example, @Anderew:
Huh? Google and Facebook hire gullible people to work for them? They have some the brightest engineers, designers, marketing, and business employees in the world. I have friends that work for both and they make far more than 99.x% of any distributor in any MLM. I am jealous of THEM as some have done very well with stock grants and yearly bonuses, and my Facebook buddies will be worth $500k to $2 million over the next year, depending on what they sell their stock at.
So if I wanted to join Wazzub can I make a 6 figure salary? I know I can if I worked for Facebook or Google.
How much money did all the users of Peoplestring make? If Facebook paid all their users from profits, we’d make less than $1 each.
I know most of the Wazzub supporters here are just rolls rather that actual distributors or prospects trying to have an intelligent debate. The reality is there is zero incentive to use Wazzub or any other search portal unless it’s a good one. Why should I use the shopping portal or have a lame search experience when all I have to do is just join and let everyone else use the site. The problem with that? Everyone else has the same attitude. No one will use it. The money incentive is a joke, you’ll make $2 over the next 12 months for all this promotion. Wazzub will have all your emails and spam you some more.
@ messrs Chang & Norway. Wow I would really love to know what you guys do for a living. You must be extremely well off financially. Between the two of you I could put a novel together plus versions 1 to 3 with all your comments in investigations into BAD BRAD Wazzub!
You seem to have endless time to spend on a “another useless search portal”. You have warned the Wazzubies time & time again so you have done your dilligence and duty to the masses, Time to back off now and see what transpires on 10 April 2012.
(Ozedit: referral link removed)
Not relevant to what Wazzub is…
So now you don’t HAVE anything to say about Wazzub except “just wait you’ll see”? Is that an admission of defeat?
I see my posting was shortened / censored so I will omit a link this time, even though messrs Chang etc can insert links. There is another Home Page Pays opportunity involving Smart Media Technologies that uses a similar business model to Wazzub, but it also has bonus initiatives in respect of recruitment.
This is already up & running and being improved upon on a regular basis. The model involves SHARING up to 75% of Advertising revenue with members (Free & Paid members).
The point here is the model can & does work or is Smart Media “JUst Another Useless Search Portal MLM”?????
I don’t think so!
@Leon
Don’t waste my time playing the victim. Referral links for recruitment are not published here.
Yes even the ‘oh hey guys check out this link -‘ crap.
Personally I’ve never heard of them. Had a look and it appears to be third party addon software, not just a website.
As for revenue share, without indication as to how much they’re paying out. I’d imagine it’s negligible. Certainly not enough to warrant the homepage clutter they force their users to use.
It all depends on how you define “works”. Sure the website works… but is it succesful? Hardly.
I don’t tend to think of business models working if they aren’t sucessful.
@Oz
Are you implying that they are not successful because YOU have never heard of them?
Get your henchmen to do some investigation and you will see that they are extremely successful. Oddly enough a fellow Oz countryman Stephen Wright is their leading marketer and the CEO David Martin is highly regarded, so its not just 3rd party add on software.
Get Mr Chang to do some due dilligence for the masses please
No, because I quite clearly stated
Are you a member and if so, what are they paying out?
I’m still going with peanuts.
It doesn’t matter if even the pope’s involved, it is what it is.
(also never heard of those guys either – the guy from the video sound right bogan enough though).
But I digress, I don’t mean to imply because I haven’t heard of them or their little buisness that that is what makes them not sucessful. I’m saying the fact that their idea hasn’t caught on is what does.
Sure they might be surviving but without someone stating what their average monthly payout is to members (minus recruitment commissions) from use of the website itself, due to the lack of interest in this opportunity and minimal exposure, it has to be peanuts.
Anyway, at the risk of getting offtopic – publish the revenue share from use of the Smart Media Technology website otherwise your comparison is baseless.
Do you accept Screen Shots and I will give you a “Back Office” publication
We don’t need backoffice publications, just list how much Smart Media Technologies have paid out the last few months for using the website.
Subtract any other commissions the company might pay out. We’re after what use of the site is paying out as this is the rawest indication of success or failure of their business model.
@Leon
Bad news. A quick overview indicates it’s a pyramid/Ponzi hybrid of some kind, where most of the income derives from selling advertising packages to members, at price $125, $200 and $400, plus some advertising packages I didn’t find any description for (except they were limited to $10,000 max), plus monthly fee $30.
The business model is heavily focused on recruiting paying members. The free member option is mostly used to introduce people to the opportunity, and I didn’t find anything about income as a free member. People who wants to make money has to recruit at least 2 paying members (called Rep’s).
I didn’t do any detailed research, because usually it will be easy to detect where a business has its main focus – whether they are focused on internal members or external customers. Most of the focus was aimed towards internal members, so the external customers doesn’t seem to be an important source of revenue. As far as I could see, they pretend to be alot bigger than they really are – based on the number of referral pages I found.
Most of the training were aimed towards marketing the opportunity itself. It was not aimed towards selling advertising to external customers. I’ll guess you used one of the methods when you posted a referral link in an unrelated thread. The method is what most people will call “forum-spamming”. A better method would have been to ask Oz to write a review instead of spamming a thread.
Any income statements from you will be meaningless, so please don’t post any. You have already misled us once when you didn’t tell us how heavily focused this opportunity are on recruitment of paying members.
And please don’t spam anymore in any of the threads here. If you like to introduce an opportunity here you should try other methods. The best method is to offer neutral information (if you have some info, and if you’re able to be neutral). If you don’t have the skill of being neutral then you should probably forget the whole idea
Something tells me that as a member of Smart Media Technology, Leon’s whole ‘they are succesful’ comparison hinged on the recruitment business model, rather then the website + advertising profit-share itself.
@Oz
You should evaluate Smart Media Technologies for yourself. I did only a quick overview in 20 minutes, and I didn’t analyse any details.
The website is created in July 2010 according to Whois, and belongs to Automatic Geek (another pyramid scheme from 2009 or so). “Pyramid scheme” is used in the meaning business opportunity focused on recruitment, where most of the so called “revenue” seems to be generated from the members.
Please evaluate to delete/move all the comments related to Smart Media Technologies in this thread, since Leon seems to be a forum-spammer. Too many comments makes this thread become more unfriendly to load (with over 450 comments), and SMT is an unrelated topic.
They have however an MLM-like structure and compensation plan, except that the “customers” and distributors are the same people. Since Leon obviously want some attention it’s probsably better to give him a full review than accepting spamming in other threads.
@M_Norway
I’ll add it to the list. For the time being I’m going to enjoy Leon’s silence.
Kinda proves that Leon is also a MLM junkie, doesn’t it?
Looks like Wazzub Charities finally revealed their 501(c)(3) registration ID after much prodding by critics.
NV20121131110
Search of Nevada Corporate records shows such a company:
http://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/CorpDetails.aspx?lx8nvq=oTNa1zk0RzlZUG74H64Leg%253d%253d&nt7=0
Registered on February 28th, 2012, well AFTER announcement of Wazzub Charity Funds (on February 1st, 2012, according to Google search results).
Supposedly officers are due to be revealed soon.
Wazzub seem to be hitting Eastern Europe, where users are spamming every comment space available with Wazzub referral links, including news items. Here’s an example:
(I know, it’s in Bulgarian, use Google translate, and you’ll see it’s about a missing girl, and Wazzub spammers hit it multiple times)
I found a Bulgarian Facebook group, talking about Wazzub without having any real info about the company or the people behind it. Most of the stuff there is just translated from the main site or other Facebook groups.
$1 per registered user from your referral per month, you get another $1 for every new user up to 5 levels, minimum 3 registered users are required; something here was probably lost in translation.
Also, Facebook is apparently blocking all the Wazzub links now. On Google Trends Bulgarian language is on place 6.
Reading the comments, I see that most of the people just expect money to come from some magical place. I don’t think they are concerned with the unsustainability of Wazzubs businesses model. Also having a charitable subsidiary makes it look more legal somehow.
They all use jargon, have some delusional expectations and are very protective of their ideas. It looks a lot like a cult/commercial cult now. The main selling point, as already pointed out is, that you don’t have to pay anything, so you cannot lose anything.
One would think, that Bulgarians would know better, given the pyramid schemes of 1995 and the 1997 Lottery Uprising in Albania.
One would think wazzub looks better on the inside, but no.
See for yourself: http://i.imgur.com/b6YCU.jpg
It also seems that Wazzub is reacting to all the info dug up. They are sending out apologists with excuses like “yes Wazzub made a lot of mistakes”, even people claiming to know DeBias. Unfortunately no details are forthcoming still.
To be frank, the Albania “lottery uprising” is more about HYIP and smuggling into then Serbia. People were encouraged to put in money and were promised huge yield in short time (by the end it’s “double your money in 30 days”) as the smugglers need money to buy supplies (and pay bribes) to get things into then Serbia which was under embargo.
When embargo was lifted, all the schemes collapsed.
There are some parallels, but it *could* be reasoned away by the excuse “you don’t put money in so you can’t lose.”
I actually wrote a paper on this. 🙂 With comparison to the Colombia pyramid crisis of 2008 and the potential crisis in India.
That is actually a good strategy, far better than the previous ones, like avoiding the topic, or statements like “Wazzub is backed up by quality investors”. 🙂
Admitting mistakes is an easy way out of trouble, while trying to defend mistakes is an easy way into trouble. Being general rather than specific may work too. “We made lots of mistakes” is easier than stating each and every mistake in a list, or stating only a few of them.
When admitting something, they’ll have to repeat it a couple of times (in the beginning) if someone continues to ask difficult questions. Then they can switch strategy to “We have already admitted the mistakes several times”, making it more difficult to ask questions without feeling stupid.
Here’s an example dialog:
Q: “What about those fake companies?”
A: “We have already admitted lots of mistakes, including the companies that initially sponsored us”.
It’s possible to ask a few more questions in this dialog, but the troublemaker has lost most of his weapons at an early stage.
What I think is “interesting” is that they needed 2 months before they finally came up with a good strategy here.
Now, don’t give them too many ideas. 😀
Hmmm… now the guy claims he knows Gee DaCosta, not Michael Anthony DeBias.
When I ask is he apologizing for Wazzub for such a botched launch, he kinda hemmed and hawed, and just made a LONG-winded comment about how he whole-heartedly support Wazzub, how Gee DaCosta is a honest guy, blah blah blah blah.
hey people, i notice its been ages you were discussing this issue about wazzub, whether its scam or not. i wonder why the wazzub website is still up and running until this time.
were the people behind wazzub, are they really that smart to be getting away with this scam (if this is really a scam) for quite a long time now without being caught and still up and running luring millions of people all around the globe to sign up,or do we need to rally or do we need to PEOPLE POWER, to get them close ASAP.
IS THERE NO POLICE AUTHORITY in the internet world.
@Mayee — as they have not taken any money, there’s no “fraud” yet, or put it another way, “no harm no foul”. Which is, of course their unofficial slogan: what have you got to lose if it’s free to join?
Their biggest problem is their lack of credibility, but according to their supporters, that is of NO CONCERN. As long as they keep harping the promise of paying money, some people are eager to help them promote.
I don’t know how it’ll turn out, but I have a good suspicion.
Once you get past 2 million subscribers, that meter should run at about 5 to 10 per second or at least 600,000 per day. This slow meter at this stage tell a story of its own.
It should become 6 million by next week and then grow to 10 million a week later. Fact is 9 April is around the corner. Who are they going to impress if they only have 8 million?
@Vic de Klerk
I believe the meter is false. The activity is very unstable, with lots of changes.
* This website was ranked between #1 and #21 within 24 hours when I googled “Wazzub” in late February.
* Google trends for January had Czech Republic as #2 in January, and it fell out of the list in February. Uganda made it to the top of the list within a week or so in February.
Very unstable results indicates low activity
The counter is a fake, as explained above, and it’s very simple to prove.
Once you load the counter page, disconnect from the Internet. Is it still counting up? Clearly, it’s NOT reading from the server. Enough said.
please,i have a question……
how can i get my salary?by cheque,bank account or what????
They are still in “pre-launch”, who knows when they will pay ANYTHING (if ever). Inshallah (as God wills) would be quite accurate.
@ahmed
Information I read in January said the first payment date is 15. May, paying for the month of April.
They have also released information saying they will have problem reaching $1 in $-Factor in the first 3 months they are paying (May, June, July). They will need 10 free members per 1 paid member to be able to pay $1 per member in downline 5 levels deep.
wow, i could not read all the info written here. just too too much. maybe I joined later and missed some things , but I never saw any thing on wazzub about starting april 1st. always was the 9th.
I dont see a ponzi or a mlm as there is no money being paid in. also they do not promise to pay a dollar per referal plus other earnings. Its half the profits split up by the total number of credits.
For the really paranoid….open a new email and a new bank account just for wazzub. have 1 cent in the account when you give them your bank info. that should fix the problem.
@Jeff
I believe they’ve sinced changed their business model (?) since launch, or pre-launch or whatever you want to call it.
Till they actually launch I don’t see much point in updating the article (as fundamentally the points raised stand) until they have a concrete publicly available business model that isn’t just a hypothetical that can be changed on a whim.
You didn’t read it early enough. When I reviewed it back in January / February it was April 1st. About a week after I wrote my review it was updated to April 9th. I have the screenshots to prove it. 🙂 But it’s not important.
It’s multilevel as you’re encouraged to recruit people “under” you. However, as you don’t pay, it’s not a scam “yet”. I’ve theorized ways they CAN monetize all the e-mail addresses signed up, but it’s just theories.
You may understand it, but a lot of the less understanding people are taking the “examples” and “scenarios” quite literally, esp. non-English populations like Indonesia, Serbia, and such.
Exactly what I suggested, but did you notice that their “community” requires you to enter your real name and other information?
well gosh, yes please send my check made out to my real name. that would be helpful in cashing it.
i did leave a post on the wazzub site asking how we would be paid. i would think by paper check would be an option as i would believe a group of people that sign up for a free opportunity would have a number of people that dont even have bank accounts.
Vic wrote
maybe it’s just a prank for a tv show to prove how you can fool a few million people on the internet?
Also nice to know that they invested, so they say, millions into the project with several developers while they just bought a $300 script? LOL
Just the look of that the site, that blog and everything about/around wazzub looks so poor and “amaturistic” (<good english?)
I signed up with a serperate email account to try out some things.
I verified the mail address and could log in in that useless user page at the .info site.
Then they launched the .com site and guess what, I'm not able to log in on that one.
Sent them a mail and it took 21 days to get a useless reply from a support person, so still not able to log in into that ugly thing.
definitly a scam. It is a PHP website programed to colect data in his database. Has nothing to do with a search engine or search engine tehnology of today.
The registred users counter is also a java script /php script and has nothing to do with the number of registred users. Its just a counter counting like a clock.
That may be true for payment, but NOT for the “community” site.
Unless they are one and the same?
Although interesting, but i do really think that the benefit of doubt be given to wazzub.I am running with d so called scam until they make me see so.
@Raymondonos
Do you have any other options than to continue? 🙂
Like an option for terminating the membership or something?
Remember, this is a lifetime membership, but they will accept post mortem termination if people clearly have stated so in their will. A death certificate will of course be needed as an attachment. 🙂
Last Will:
“My wife Hannah will get the house. My son Peter will get my Wazzub membership, …”
Why? What had they shown you to inspire your trust in them to accomplish what they claimed?
Well K.Chang and M_Norway av followed ur line of thought on wazzub but truly speaking u guys dont seem to be fair in ur criticism.
having done ur findings to the best of ur abilities,let the decision either to signup on wazzub remain with the interested few who thinks otherwise.
One more thing is this,wazzub cannot use any scheme to access my wallet unless where it becomes a law btw now and then that being a member attracts payments of some sort.
Now for real,wazzub seems to have something new to showcase but whether it becomes a reality or not will to a very large extent depend on their objectivity,commitment and integrity.
Change must come whether we like it or not.So embrace change
This is really simple, folks. Here is the Wazzub strategy:
1. Get all members (how ever many you think are in) use a search/shopping portal. The claim is everyone splits the profits. They will make some money off affiliate sales and ads.
2. Delay actual payment to members using whatever strategy, such as needing qualifiers, need more revenue “we are just getting started”, or enforcing a minimum payout like $10 before you can get paid, or a small processing fee of $2.95 so no one will actually withdraw profits until you earn $10 or more.
3. Use the name and email address for something, perhaps sending clickbank offers.
Just think about #1-2. Let’s hypothetically believe they have 1 million members. If everyone earns only $1-2 but can never withdraw, Wazzub owners made their money (assume they share 50% – they made $1-2 per member plus the breakage from Wazzub members who can’t cash out). Get it?
It’s the classic “make pennies off a million people”, but it’s really deceit because Wazzub doesn’t expect to actually pay anyone anything, but if they can make a few dollars off every one the owners made a few million.
It was only a joke.
We know it must be interesting being part of something that will be remembered 100 years from now.
“The Hubble Space Telescope was launched in 1990, the Kepler Space Telescope was launched in 2009, and Wazzub was launched in 2012.” 🙂
4. A $200 fee if somebody wants to terminate their lifetime membership?
How exactly was I NOT being fair in the criticism? Was anything I found untrue?
I simply question the reasoning of those who are interested in Wazzub. Most of them can only utter “but it’s free, and it MAY work”. That makes as much sense as throwing your business card down a wishing well.
There are ways to scam without involving a “victim”. Ever read the Sherlock Holmes story “The Red Haired League”?
Nope. The only thing new is how much buzz it generated and how much effort they’ve dedicated to hide their trail. Share 50% of profit? Done many years ago. Look up Yuwie while you’re at it. There’s at least one other. Tying MLM to search engine has been done too. Same with shopping. In fact, you can find reviews of them here on Behindmlm.
But that was my point: we don’t know who they are. The two names I find belong to MLMers with one failed venture after another in the past 3-6 years. And the amount of effort they spent to HIDE their names does NOT indicate a company of “integrity”.
Change must come whether we like it or not.So embrace change
Is there an MLM out there that has profit sharing that is actually legit? Obviously people make money in these MLM/Ponzi schemes.
I am in Zeek Rewards now but that seems like it will fail in the future too (from what I read on the other posts herein). This site should have a 1 through 5 star rating on ROI probability within a certain period of time.
I know, crystal ball stuff, it was fun to dream for a minute!
Lots of MLM’s have profit sharing based on sale volume. The part where Zeek Rewards becomes a ponzi is that you can just invest $10k and make an ROI on that $10k. It’s not like in other MLM’s with bonus pools and other forms of profit sharing where you earn based on your production.
With sales production, you have a legitimate business – hopefully with real retail sales and not just downline autoship.
In Zeek’s case, the retail volume is next to nothing, and the volume you do see is artificial because they are mostly created by affiliate wanting the matching points using a credit card to buy bids.
Officially ALL MLMs are into profit-sharing, just not the way it’s accounted. The MLM “theory” is that they cut expenses in training and promotion and share that savings with you.
In reality you end up footing the training and promotions costs which becomes a hidden cost (one that you can’t evaluate without shadowing an existing rep).
Frankly, I wouldn’t bother with this “profit-sharing” as there’s no way you’d know what exactly is really “profit” on their end or how much money you can count on.
When you have a product in your hand, you know exactly how much you paid for it, how much you can sell it for, and how much you have to spend to sell it (expenses), and thus, the profit. You know all the variables.
What’s profit for THEM? Who knows how they’re counting it.
@James
That would be a bit of a shift of focus, ranking investment schemes.
If they have a MLM component then I review them as MLM companies, the same as any other MLM company. As it stands I don’t think too highly of investment based MLM companies as they have thus far all failed to have any legitimate product.
Due to the nature of an investment they sort of can’t be based around products so it’s an inherent flaw. Product sales don’t deliver ROIs, investments do.
The only way to offer ROIs greater than the initial investment is to bundle products with the investment that has no inherent value and can be produced for free by the company (think Zeek Rewards bids or the all too common advertising credits) and the attempt to pass this off as a sale, rather than an investment.
But of course it’s still an investment, because it delivers a ROI.
it seems that they’ve set up a page with user quotes telling how great it all is, I wonder on what they are basing their experiences if there is nothing at all to witness/experience?
probably selfwritten stuff with random name generation of data out of the user database.
http://wazzubreality.blogspot.com/
it seems that they do a lot of (fake) things for not coming over as scam 😉
oh, and all in perfect english. check the countries etc, I’m familiar with spanlish and the like so that’s sure looks fake 🙂
oh, and all in perfect english. check the countries etc, I’m familiar with spanlish and the like so that’s sure looks fake 🙂
@GVB — there were “reviews” of Wazzub vs. Google back in January.
It’s not fake that Wazzub-ies said such things. That would make the Wazzub-ies liars, not the website. He-he. No difference?
but in january there was nothing to see so how could they review something that wasn’t even accesible?
It was just an ugly page with a sign on form.
Back in December the Wazzub website was different and actually provided information about the lack of a business model and viability these guys have.
They then at some point realised that wasn’t in their best interests and now you have the site available today that pretty much tells you nothing.
Time will reveal the Truth about Wazzub .
Let us wait till April 9 and May 15 to see the Truth about Wazzub .
I believe 1,000% Wazzub is Real , Honest and Committed .
Wazzub is a Free gift from God to help millions of people around the world .
Let us support Wazzub , help it become bigger and stronger .
thanks
@johnjo I’m the opposite I see the devil at work here God would not use deceit to entrap victims and Wazzub is based on one lie after another.
2 reasons why wuzzab is just not possible:
– It is impossible for any business to predict future income, or share value.
– Statistically, profit share and income are just not possible, ex. If you invite 50 persons * 1$ * levels 2-5
is equal to $9.999.999 per month/per person, I guess this is to much even for Bill Gates. If wuzzab idea is going to be successive, then simply they will become next world miracle.
There’s currently 3 hours and 23 minutes till launch.
I’m looking forward to seeing the “perfect webpage” and doing a followup review.
ha ha its launch has been extended for 2 more days, what da… wazzub
Oh of course it has.
Why am I not surprised.
where is its commitment, why didnt they launched today???
I guess they *should* have launched on April 1st as they originally intended…
@Anu
I don’t get it. How does extending the time equate to not having to ‘convert 5.6 million people’ into the system?
Also
uh… isn’t this what every company goes through at launch?
Popular decision by who? Nobody knows how many managers / presidents/ shareholders /stakeholders are there in Wazzub except GIT themselves.
Either you take the database offline or you don’t. You don’t “gain” anything with extra two days, not if you designed the hardware and software correctly.
If your software can’t work with 5.6 million records it won’t work right PERIOD. Giving people extra 2 days sounds like a bogus excuse.
Er, I don’t think Anu’s post is referring to Wazzub at all. It mentions P.S.P. (Profit Sharing Phenomenon) in the first lines.
I *think* Anu’s point is that Wazzub is just using an old trick and that it’s just more evidence that it is behaving like other scams have in the past.
That’s how I’m reading it anyway.
HI,
This was what was posted in their community by members. At present I really dont know how long before they launch..So not very hopeful. I am one of the members who had joined Wazzub a long time back and did my fair share of promoting too, before I came across this thread.
Whenever they intend to launch , they intend to use perfectinter.net as the homepage.
No, actually it is referring to Wazzub, who had REPEATEDLY referred to itself as a profit-sharing phenomenon. It’s even on the “cover” of that “Wazzub Song”.
So they spent a whole year promoting the name Wazzub, create a “community”, and now they are not going to use it? What sort of ***** are they? No wonder they didn’t even try to trademark or copyright the term. WTF?!
Not to mention all the unexpected traffic perfectinternet.com (which is for sale) is going to get when they launch.
The domain is not perfectinternet.com , but perfectinter.net which is not for sale.( there is a pic of a swan with the message the perfect internet is coming ). But as you say, this site is for sure going to get some huge traffic in next few days
You really think people would remember to type in the dot between the inter and net? 🙂 It’s reverse typo-squatting… Registering a domain name, and see your traffic go somewhere else because it’s TOO cute. 😀
Just over an hour till launch… I hope this isn’t going to be one of those ‘ok we’ve launched, but give us a week to go live’ type launches.
i wonder if the name change has anything to do with the fact Web of Trust slammed warnings all over the Name Wazzub making it impossible to access the site without seeing a huge warning sign about the sites reputation.
just got a look at the page now replacing the swan and I would like to Know what is special about what is shown there i see nothing groundbreaking or different from any other networking site, I wonder how many of those 6 million supposed members will see that page and realize they have been deceived from day 1
They said they keep the promise. The question is what promise they will keep? The simplest thing is launching in time, but they cannot keep. What do you expect from a liar who lies to you even a smallest thing?
We’ve been saying all along it’s just a lame search portal and as an “affiliate” you get some piddly commissions on affiliate revenue, assuming everyone uses the search portal. A dozen other sites have tried this, including some with MLM models. Peoplestring comes to mind.
But you’d still be paid peanuts. If Facebook paid every user a profit share you’d get pennies per user.
We analyzed this one from day one, but the supporters still think there’s some secret sauce behind this.
Another delay?
The above has replaced the launch countdown timer. I hope they’re not going to delay it until they “reach” 6 mill members. I know the counter is bogus but there’s still 130,000 odd seconds (36 hours) to tick down.
The “perfect internet” site has been updated and is now showing an example template. Looks just like every other cluttered web portal out there.
Wazzub is another hoax search engine to record credentials of every bit of, started to befall a popular in web. 😀
If by now anyone is still believing this WAZZUB bullshit, he or she is a complete retard.
Not that those who believed it before are smart or anything. It was obvious that this was a complete lie since day 1.
So is there any idiot who still wants to argue that Wazzub is legit, while having no evidence for it and much evidence against?
Please come forward telling me how you’re not a complete idiot and what your (non) evidence is. I love being right.
And don’t come with those arguments like “they’re not asking for money” or “even Google started from zero”, those have long been demonstrated to be irrelevant.
The problem is they really haven’t promised much. They IMPLIED a lot, but actually promised very little.
@mark
I am deaf from Ivory Coast. I am idiot but I signup into WazzUB.
I following this website long time ago. But how called some people “Idiot”, I have not comment.
Mind in your.
Wazzub was genius, what are you talking about? Let’s assume they are lying about 6 million members and they only have 200k members.
Now they can advertise the next HYIP, AdSurf, or whatever to 200k members.
It’s genius.
@Jimmy and it doesn’t take a “Genius” to work out that if they lie about 1 thing then maybe they are also lying about paying you and the real reasons they want your details…Think about it !
Got some Wazzub-ies who tried to post a poem about “Wazzub was sent by God” on my Wazzub expose on Hubpages.
When I denied the comment, he (she?) dared me to publish it. 🙂
Oregon department of corporations wrote me back and said that “GIT Global Investments” does NOT count as a violation of the old “cease and desist” for Halverson. Apparently using his house as listed agent while not registering the business himself is okay. 🙂 Oh well. 🙂
Well, 5 days after the official launch and the “Perfect Internet” site is demoable, but says they’re still working on letting people sign in or join.
Wazzub.me hasn’t changed since launch (“sorry you missed out but stay tuned we’ll go live in a few hours”) and wazzub.com is the same as it was before launch.
Too early to call the launch of Wazzub a fizzer yet?
@Oz You can’t really call it a launch afterall as i understand it they have changed the name at the last minute which i find incredible so in essence they have cancelled Wazzub in favour of the new name which raises a lot of ethical questions about people who originally signed up for Wazzub suddenly finding themselves re-directed to a totally foreign site.
Personally i would call it and i’m predicting in 6 months they’ll be little trace of either site other than a few cached results on google.
I’m sure people will remember Wazzub 100 years from now, but I’m not sure WHY they will remember it.
Maybe they will remember it because it was launched?
“Hubble space telescope was launched in 1993, and was a success. Kepler space telescope was launched in 2009, and was a success. Wazzub …”
Or maybe they will remember it because of year and dates, “100 years after Titanic”?
“RMS Titanic was a passenger liner that sank in the North Atlantic Ocean on 15 April 1912 after colliding with an iceberg during her maiden voyage from Southampton, UK to New York City, US.”
“After leaving Southampton on 10 April 1912 …”
“Wazzub …”
Or perhaps it was a “bait and switch” all along.
lol..whos eating crow now
Wazzub is still here and getting stronger daily..and will launch
If you call that website (no longer called Wazzub) the result of “still here and getting stronger”, guess you waited six months and 6 million members for a lot of nothing. I could have whipped that up in six hours.
I’ll be more impressed when members start getting their checks (if they ever get any, that is).
What launch?
wazzub.me is down.
wazzub.info is down.
wazzub.com is the same static page it’s been for months.
perfectinter.net is refusing signups/logins.
All this 8 days after the already delayed “official launch”. I know we’re only in April… but looks to me as if Wazzub is 2012’s ‘Prelaunch Australia’.
Will launch? Still talking in future tense, 10 days after the announced launch date?
I rest my case.
well the Wazzub name will be kept coz you have the Wazzub Community site embedded in the new site.
over the past 12 hours though i saw that my members list page was not working anymore or the signup page. in the early hours of the morning a picture with a message came up on the signup page that stated that ‘jealous and bad people were trying to attack our servers’ and they would be back soon…what do people make of that?
Did they purchase the 101 downtime excuses ebook from Zeek Rewards?
I would say the site is being run by children for 1 and for 2 i would say you claim to have spent millions on development and you didn’t build in a little security or redundancy ? what sort of idiots are you !
Well i dont see how you can pooh pooh them for being under attack, the much more professional and hopeful looking ptc box has had similar attacks on their servers. So…?!
Slowly but surely the idiots are coming to their senses its not all about wazzub was it but perfectinter.net. Now to the idiots, be patient don’t jump the gun again and make a bigger fool of your self then you already are. There is more to it then what you see in perfectinter.net.
From the very early days it was said, avoid licking what you spit. So hold you horses guys. Don’t shame yourselves.
PTC Investigation, a site that supposedly reviews pay-to-click programs, decided Wazzub shouldn’t be bothered with.
http://www.ptc-investigation.com/pages/wazzub.aspx
I note that over the weekend wazzub.me has been reset with a counter ticking down to a launch date of July 1st. They are now again accepted signups (didn’t get enough?), despite claiming registrations had been officially closed following the April 9th launch.
Also they mention something about “DealPoints” which seem to be some kind of rewards system, earned by recruiting new members.
Good to see they slowed down the automatic member count… but it’s still painfully obvious that it’s an automated counter lol.
Perfectinter.net is still closed for login, so it looks like the April launch was a big waste of time and Wazzub’s game plan is another four months of recruitment spam.
Wazzub changed their slogan. It is now a “success sharing phenomenon”. I guess they are NOT really into sharing profits.
Wazzub.info has a “counter” frozen at about 5.6 million (didn’t read it closely)
Yeah looks like Wazzub Nay perfectinter.net have blown it big time not even Jesus could resurrect their reputation Now of the followers they did have only a few hardy ones will remain and not for long.
Still they achieved their purpose look at all those nice id’s they managed to aquire especially those that handed them their correct info including paypal and or bank details.
Now there is likely to be a round of spoof mails to those people saying theres a problem with their account and they need to fill in a further form to lift the temporary hold on their funds this will allow GIT to clean their accounts out and skip merrily away to their hideout in the Bahamas 🙂
I have a question? How can wazzub pay the users 50% profit?
what the system of the money they will pay the users?
@Lima — they never explained their business model. They only released vague statements about how they will act as a “portal” to businesses, community, and even online games. They cited Google and Facebook as their target, but never explained how they will achieve it.
Their supporters / believers do NOT care how. In their mind Wazzub will be the next Google or Facebook. They only see $$$$, with the justification: how can I lose when I gave them no money?
my last post here was on April 2nd, I even completely forgot about the launch until today which shows my level of interest in Wazzub 😉
but this site tab remains in firefox so I read the updates every few days/weeks (mostly after a firefox crash and the tab is in sight again)
as I read here the predicted “no launch at all” has become reality, and the poor excuse of “we need 6.000.000” members doesn’t make sense at all. If you pay out 50% it doesn’t matter if it is to 10.000 or 6.000.000 the total amount is the same anyway.
Respect to K. Chang for digging into this so much by gettering some real info.
Got a report that a Wazzub critic’s website was hacked, and the hackers left the comment “Silence is Golden” in the hacked source code. This cannot be independently confirmed at this time. The site owner says the ISP claimed the hackers used a Nevada IP address. Again, unconfirmed.
When there are people advertising on Fiverr (microjobs for $5 USD) to create 50 signups under your Wazzub refID, you know the addresses they get are worthless.
(NOTE: Actual job’s been deleted / expired)
“ScamAdviser.com”, an website safety advice aggregator, gave Wazzub.com and Wazzub.info score of ZERO% (nada, nothing, zilch)
http://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/wazzub.info
Biggest question: why’s the server in GERMANY when the company is in the US?
Seems there are a lot of folks on Fiverr offering “we’ll create signups for you”, though the price went up… instead of 50, it’s more like 15 now (for $5.00) . Search Fiverr and Wazzub should reveal them.
I’m kinda curious where their “six million members’ all went given that the launch was a complete fizzer?
Interest, site traffic and the membership spam all seem to have tanked since the April fake launch.
Just checked that perfectinter.net thingie.
Both video and regular web search actually call other websites (blinkx.com and startpage.com respectively).
The official “news” is another blogspot free blog.
Perfectinter.net is a leech.
Their “May announcement” revealed Michael Anthony DeBias… he recycled one of his favorite sayings from his failed WebsiteTester.biz.
http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2012/05/analyzing-wazzub-may-announcement-info.html
Notice all the Wazzub supporters disappeared quickly after the non-launch.
All I can say w/ this site is…
“WE” is composed of WAZZUB OWNERS “The Victorious” & WAZZUB MEMBERS “Only Fooled”
Hello,I have been working very hardly on Wazzub since months,and are u guys sure that wazzub wont pay anything?
About as sure as that one day we will die and you yourself have answered your own question
If this is the case how much money have you made and been able to collect ? divide this amount by the number of days you have promoted wazzub and multiply by 7 the answer is your weekly income if this is less than $10 then you are working your butt off for $1 a day so in 28 years of working 7 days a week you will have earned a whopping $10,000
Time to celebrate and buy that new car
NO. I would have guessed they would be able to pay, but a lower amount than $1 per member in downlines. The “one dollar per member” is mostly misleading marketing, used to attract members.
They made a statement about it themselves, about reduced payouts for at least 3 or 4 months. The statement was made in February or March as far as I remember.
I have no reason to suspect they will try to cheat people, but I don’t believe in the business model either. The first payout was scheduled to 15th May 2012, so the payout should have happened already.
The “cheating” part has mostly been about misleading marketing right from the start, but the business model might still be able to generate SOME profit.
“I have no reason to suspect” means I haven’t been able to backup suspicions with any reliable information. So I don’t have any reasons to suspect anything either. “Misleading marketing” on the other hand has been backed up with information.
Dear WAZZUB,
Good day to you, please could you kindly explain why the delay of payments? Because we have been keeping waiting since,no message to keeps us alert!!
No signs of payments,We received no mail from you peoples,Could we still keeping on waiting?For now am always become liar to the peoples i invited to the program, So please could we be still optimst for it?
Thanks
I have given my Identification Proof(Passport) etc to Wazzub,they say they will keep their promise and they will share their profits on 15th June
@Ryan Congratulations your Identity has just been stolen.
@Ryan — you’ve been subjected to foot-in-door technique.
If they had stated from the beginning that they want your picture ID and other info, you’d never have given it to them.
Instead, they just ask you for e-mail and name, THEN later, with various excuses, ask you for your picture ID. And you gave it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot-in-the-door_technique
@Ryan with the information you have given them they can now access your bank accounts, credit cards,take out loans in your name etc etc etc. And you know what the kicker is you don’t have a leg to stand on you will be held accountable for any debts they incurr using your identity because you willingly gave it to them …
what a numbskull I warned this was their target way back but as usual no-one listened
Now, now, now, Dave, no need to insult people. “I told you so” is usually sufficient.
Sorry But it irks me that people don’t listen and then when it’s too late they look to you to dig them out of the hole they dug for themselves.
If I was in Ryans shoes right now i would be contacting the authorities banks credit lenders etc and warning them that his id has possibly been stolen explain what he has done ( ie given out his passport information and who too)and ask them to slap an alert for any suspicious activity using his name and id.
legitimate businesses require only a small amount of information your name your paypal or address to send checks to and the properly completed tax forms not much else.
They cant take out loans in my name just by my passport, i am just 17 years old with no job, how can they take out a loan on my name, i have no INCOME!
One has to show his/her income to take a loan, right?
All i gave them is my passport, and you say they can access my credit cards, my bank accounts.
i dont have a credit card, and all what is needed to access bank acccounts is passport, is it?
Passport is not even needed to access bank accounts i think
@Ryan — theoretically speaking, they can open new credit cards in your name. They won’t get very much as your beginning credit would be maybe $1500. But the POINT is you should NEVER give away your identity just for some nebulous promise of payment.
Didn’t they push the payment to August already?
@Ryan with the information you have provided they can create a whole new ryan from your passport they can obtain your birth certificate and with that they can open numerous doors to credit etc.
You say your just 17 NOW but these thieves aren’t in any hurry in 4 years time when your 21 your identity data will still be the same. Remember your not the only one to have surrendered your identity to them so they have possibly hundreds of thousands of id’s to milk while they wait for yours to mature.
Chang@ No,Wazzub support staff told me There will be no more delay in the payment date,it is on 15 june
@ryan they have lied about everything else so what makes you think they are suddenly telling the truth now if i was a betting man i’s lay odds the 15th comes and goes and you still don’t get paid
Dave@ Why not? on their site, they have many ads, so for sure they are making some money, im damn sure they will pay on the 15th
As I stated Ryan everything has been based on Lies so far it’s the internet i could tell you i was on moon base alpha and you’d have to take my word for it.
fact is they have asked for more personal id info than is required by any business not even paypal wants photo id yes they may pay something to some people but only to give them more time to set up their real target.
i’ve been in online business for years and know a scam when i smell one and wazzub stinks to high heaven
I am truly and genuinely baffled that there are still some who think Wazzub is legit. Wow.
Given that they don’t tell you who’s in charge, and they’ve pushed that launch date AND pay date a couple times, I’m surprised you haven’t gotten tired of “cry wolf” already.
as for the ads on their site it’s too easy to manufacture ads any banner can be copied /pasted and used to make it look legitimate, text ads take a little more work but hey again copy paste from any adsense site will solve that easy enough
i have ads on one of my sites that does around a million page views a week but the income from those ads is less than $100 a week.
ads mean nothing on a site and advertisers prefer targetted audiences not captive inhouse member click throughs
Ryan through this long running discussion we have proven that their claims are fake their site is fake and their member numbers are fake.
they are using a $250 script that isn’t even close to top of the range in other words anyone could duplicate wazzub even you for very little cost
domain reg – $10
script – $250
Advertising – free
total cost of wazzub $260
possible income from the sale of member id’s/ emptying bank accounts – $Millions
Time to Wake up and report the theft of your ID son before you suffer the damage they can do to you.
Oh I forgot their hosting costs which is on Godaddy 4h @ $8.94 per month so they also lied about their servers (nameservers point to Godaddy’s new cloud servers)
NS77.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS78.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
in other words Wazzub is totally FAKE
How were you able to check their server name :NS77.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS78.DOMAINCONTROL.COM and how do you know it belongs to Godaddy?
Whois registry data and the godaddy site those are the nameservers allocated by godaddy when you create a hosting account with them
Folks, I have gotten taken in the past on a program something like this called Going Platinum. They never delivered on a single thing except for blowing smoke up our butts, I took a chance on the Wazzub program and I feel that in time it will pay off for us very nicely!
I will compare my monthly checks to those I get from Face Book, Yahoo and Google and see who is cheating who! The first payday is going to be the 15th of June and the full launch of the site is August 1st.
I have a feeling that your all going to want to kick each others asses for not getting involved with this when you had the chance to do it for FREE!
Just don’t come back crying when “you’ve lost that lovely feeling”.
I Guess there is no helping stupid people who can’t face the truth this discussion has more than exposed the lies and the risks and yet there are still those who put blind faith in Wazzub.
To those i say go buy a lottery ticket because the odds are better you’ll see some money.
he has even been down the same road by his own admission the similarities between “Going Platinum” and Wazzub are astounding http://www-scamalert.com/mlmprograms/Going_Platinum_Inc.htm
*bangs his head against the wall*
I don’t get it. I just don’t get it. I don’t know what to say anymore.
GAH!
Gambler’s fallacy: this one will be the winner because I lost so many times before.
Makes me wonder why we bother some sheep i guess are just to dumb to avoid being slaughtered
actually i should say fleeced instead of slaughtered 🙂
sites like ebay and amazon have partnered with Wazzub,you can go and check yourself Wazzub-PI(Perfect Internet) Is 100% Legit.
1. eBay have partnered with PI.
2. First Page Google Search have partnered with PI
3. Groupon have partnered with PI
4. Reuters News partnered with PI
5. Amazon.com partnered with PI
This are all huge and established Companies already making Billions of $$. Why would they want to partner with PI if PI is not credible or is not of a certain Status?
This will be proof enough to show you that PI (WAZZUB) is credible and to be respected and they are not here to take from you but will share with you the profit, 50% that is.
With this lets put the issue to rest. PI “WAZZUB” has already proofed what its capable of doing.
Don’t even think you can simply take this site’s eBay, amazon, Google etc and put them on your sites, they will sue you. It can only be done with a legal contract.
@Ryan
I hope you’re kidding. eBay, Groupon and Amazon all have free affiliate programs anyone can sign up to and PI just pull the Reuters news feed via RSS and display the headlines. Anyone can do that too.
Claiming ‘first page Google search’ have partnered with PI or Wazzub is just idiotic…
Given the company history, gunna be a loooooooooooooooong time before anyone takes Wazzub seriously.
@Ryan time to stop confusing your age with your obvious IQ if there was a shred of proof about those claims it would have been all over the TV news as well as major news on all the main networks
Wrong. That’s the eBay-to-go widget that ANYBODY can install on their website as eBay “affiliate”. In fact, the “create your own” link is in the lower right corner box, which goes to http://togo.ebay.com/
Wrong. Startpage.com search box is free to use by anybody on their website.
https://startpage.com/eng/link-instructions.html
No they did not. All you saw is an affiliate link through Mediaplex web ads.
http://www.paulanealmooney.com/concerned-about-anrdoezrs-net-tkqlhce-com-ftjcfx-com-dpbolvw-net-jdoqocy-com-or-www-lduhtrp-net-dont-be-they-are-just-affiliate-links-not-virus-malware
Wrong. That’s a Flash-based RSS scroller. You can do it yourself through Reuter’s RSS feed
http://www.reuters.com/tools/rss
No they didn’t. That’s Amazon affiliates, free to join:
https://affiliate-program.amazon.com/
You misconstrued their relationship. ANYBODY with a website can join. It’s not a partnership.
If I put up a Microsoft search box that lets you search Microsoft downloads, does that mean I am “partnering” with Microsoft? No!
You are reading FAR TOO MUCH out of a few affiliate links that anybody can get for free.
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Why does this sounds so much like TVI Express, when its members used the same sort of excuse, about why would hotels, airlines, etc. do business with TVI Express scam? The answer is they don’t, and never did.
Someone transcribed the latest Wazzub Webinar, and it’s rather amusing read.
http://webinarrecap.blogspot.com/
Basically, they keep repeating: “Think of the potential!” In other words, they consider everybody who has access to Internet (which is about 1/5 of World population) to be a prospective member.
They claim they are “rated higher” than Google or Facebook because more people left good ratings on Alexa for them.
They claim their company president, a “Mr. Lee” passed away so they need to pick a new president. No idea who that was referring to.
And they REALLY REALLY want everybody’s Photo-ID’s, to root out the fakers, they claim.
I think it’s time the Authorities stepped in this is obviously an identity theft scam otherwise why the push to get photo id’s from members it’s not necessary.
And they did encourage everyone to make fake accounts at one stage now they are holding members to ransom …hand over your identity or we won’t pay you the stench just got stronger.
It also begs the question: does Wazzub have the experience to tell, from a mere scanned image, of an ID from around the world, in dozens and dozens of languages? Much less… six million of them, as they claimed? With the staff they have, which is like… less than 20?
Which brings us back to this Mr. Robert A Lee.
If he is indeed who Wazzub is talking about, he is likely a “figurehead president”, which is a service provided by US Corporation Services:
http://uscorporation.com/uscservices.htm
And this is the Roseville address we found earlier.
Which, if confirmed, proves that Wazzub is HIDING their real leadership.
in Brazil, we call it an “orange” or “iron forehead”, someone who is legally the owner of something to hide the identity of the person who really owns it.
Their next president can probably be found here (corporationwiki).
My guess = Patrick Earl Amos, with Daniel K. Kranz as #2 (based on scientific methods).
Any way, I put up a full rebuttal / analysis of Wazzub’s June 1st webinar. They spun the numbers up the wazoo and relayed a ton of wishful thinking.
http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2012/06/analysis-of-wazzub-june-1st-webinar.html
It’s always fun to read the marketing junk from Wazzub. 🙂
Two more months to wait for “the mind-blowing concert” that partly was expected in April, May and July (beta launch, first payday, official launch).
It’s interesting that they introduce the combination of “mind” and “totally blown” themselves.
* The payment in May 2012 was zero. CONFIRMED.
* The payment in June 2012 can be expected to be zero.
* I could continue this list with “July, August, etc.” and “2013, 2014”, but I’ll prefer to listen to the mind-blowing concert first.
So 6 million fake members converts to 10,000 real members or something?
Google trends shows a rapidly declining interest for Wazzub from April 2012.
You guys are doing a great job here, but dont you think it is necessary that relevant authorities be notified about this “SCAM”
i missed to upload my proof within 6 june…………..now what should i do? plz tell me n help me
Contact Wazzub.
It’s not a scam per se. As it does not ask for money. On the other hand, it behaves very suspiciously on various levels, and it refuses to answer questions about itself for months.
It also releases misleading statements about itself that could be misinterpreted by supporters.
its been 10 days since all the people uploaded their Id proof ,why hasnt Wazzub closed the site and ran away yet? the site is still on that convinces me they are not identity theives
@Shikhar — so it took only 10 days to convince you? Or are you merely LOOKING for a reason to believe them?
As hosting and community forum and such are self-sustaining (except admin activities) one could leave the servers on and disappear and you wouldn’t even know for a while. So “website’s still up” doesn’t really prove anything.
And of course, none of the other questions, as who is running the show and so on and so forth remains unanswered.
Wazzub is a meme, a viral marketing campaign, NOT an income opportunity.
@Shikhar
I can’t find any motives for them to “run away”. As long as they have members visiting their website it will generate SOME money for them.
The “6 million members” converted to 30,000 real members when they asked for proof of identities. Reduced number of members will also make them more able to pay, so you have actually better chances now than you had with 6 million members.
We KNEW already in January that Wazzub probably would be a waste of time for most people. “Sharing half of the profit” isn’t exactly a NEW idea on the internet, and what people don’t realize when they sign up is that THEY will have to generate the profit themselves.
If you want more profit you’ll have to DO something, but before YOU can do something the management will need to have fully working solutions in place. And it seems to fail there.
I was having serious doubts about sending them my proof of identity so I joined lifelock and then did so.
They got 31,000 to send in their POI and they represent between 5 to 7 million factors. My up line sponsor has a factor of well over 310,000 and they don’t expect to ever see a payment of over $50.
They have told us all along that their new social community is patent protected but now we will not even see this until the full launch on August 1st and it will have no testing either. The US Patent office has nothing on file for them applying for a patent either.
They still have not deleted those who cheated in putting in false accounts or even deleted all of the duplicate ones due to hotmail blocking their verification emails.
I am not ready to say it’s a total scam but everything they have shown us so far is readily available for free and quite frankly is not exciting or earth changing at all.
They are also posting the Alexa link all over and directing members to go their and give it a 5 star ranking.
I thought they would delete all the unverified members? The $-Factor is how many members you have in your downline 5 levels deep. Normally you can expect them to delete members if they can’t verify them, reducing the $-factor too.
Wazzub’s management have had lots of strange behaviour, e.g. why did they set up a Wazzub Charity? 🙂
Other than that, a lower memberbase and lower $-factor will increase your chances for payment. It should be possible to make some money with that memberbase, IF they have some good ideas. So your upline’s sponsor will have better chances with a $-Factor of 310 or 3,100 than with 310,000.
Both Google and Facebook started as small companies, but with very good ideas/products. Wazzub started in the opposite direction, trying to grow big instead of focusing on having good products, and setting up charities before they made any money. So all in all, I don’t think the chances are very good.
Don’t bother giving them a 5-star rating in Alexa unless you really mean it. Asking for a 5-star rating is a step in the same direction as the ones that already has failed. They have some weird ideas about if people see a 5-star rating, then they will believe the site is good, and then they will start using it?
“We don’t have to do anything with our product. A 5-star rating in Alexa will make the product look good anyway.”
A 5-star rating in Alexa is NOT a key to success. They are wasting too much time and efforts on faking to be something, instead of focusing on something that actually may work. So don’t waste your own time on a rating.
Wazzub’s idea doesn’t sound too bad the way it was presented, “having your own favourite startpage, with news, games, shopping etc.”. But so far they haven’t been able to deliver anything near that idea.
* The first thing they will have to do is to DELIVER something.
* The next thing they will have to do is to CONTINUE to deliver something.
* The third thing they will have to do is to find a solution for making money out of it. These 3 steps will
have to be simultaneously and in balance with each other.
This thread has currently over 600 posts, so it might be easier to use the new Wazzub-thread from June 2012 in a continued discussion, instead of posting in this thread.
https://behindmlm.com/companies/wazzub-continue-to-miss-profit-sharing-deadlines/
you all no nothing, just see what wazzub can do.
I feel sorry of all of u, thanks for the opinion but you will be shock after all
Oh I’m in shock alright, I’m completely shocked that people still think Wazzub is going to pay them anything other than peanuts (if at all).
Now this program is SO GOOD that instead of getting venture capital firms to invest a member suggested that they give the 31,000 profit sharing members the chance to buy shares for $150 each and that will turn into a 1,000 shares when they go public in 2014.
Then wait for them to open it up to all members so everyone can profit. Look for them either to be shutdown or gone by the end of the year with the members money!
They have also come up with some new programs to compete with hotels.com, Price Line and Orbitz.
Like they are just going to surrender their market share when the power of “WE” is unleashed against them!
We’ve been watching for more than six months. Hadn’t done anything notable other than a lot of broken promises. *Yawn*
How do we know if it’s really a member, since we never knew who the execs are? For all we know it’s one of the puppetmasters in the background “suggesting” this idea, and didn’t they said OVER AND OVER AND OVER that it’ll remain free forever?
Offering shares may even land them in the radar of the SEC. I don’t think the perps behind Wazzub are THAT dumb.
Comparison engines between travel sites are plenty. Hipmunk, Kayak, blah blah blah. Heck, Travelocity will give you free access.
That’s how TVI Express got started: rebranded Travelocity site. Everybody goes: wow, full power site. Then people started to notice: hey, isn’t that Travelocity?
I lost interest long time ago, like most others. But please keep us updated anyway? But forget what they CAN do, since most people “can do” something similar.
It didn’t hit us as a surprise. Members being offered PRE-IPO shares was one of the solutions we analysed. Try to google “pre ipo shares”?
People will believe they are ordinary shares, like any other shares in a company. But pre-ipo shares will usually have some first priority investors, the ones who will get their money first if the company is sold for a lower price than the estimated one.
Pre-IPO shares are high risk, and very commonly used in investment scams to “milk” money from unexperienced investors. And we predicted this method to be one of the possible methods to be used in Wazzub.
I just went to the Wazzub site myself for the first time to see if there might be some usefulness to it.
What the heck is to do there besides read the privacy policy or the terms and conditions?
What are you talking about !?! You have absolutely no idea what they will offer through their site 🙂 Just wait a couple of weeks, you and all others will see 🙂
They moved to perfectinter.net in April. That website is affiliate for some games, videos, shopping and similar stuff, and it also has a news feeder.
You’re right, I have absolutely no idea what they will offer. But you sounded really excited, so I’ll guess they have plans for making their first payout sometimes within the next 15 months?
Other than that, it’s hard to guess what they will offer, but I don’t feel it’s worth spending too much time on guessing, either. So I’ll prefer to wait and see.
So far I have been reading all the comments everything is fine it is normal to check around find out who is who etc. Unfortunately Wazzub has never asked a dime Thats “THE fACTOR”.
All the other guys give you something even the big guys give you something called free once you are hooked to it you got to pay to carry-on.
Unfortunately I ran into many mlm’s you need money to make money why dosent any body complain about this You need money and that too a lot of it, for the product. stay on autosphip to recieve your benefits pay for their website with your name on it-Or your own personalwebsite- not a joke to have a website you pay for Domain hosting Autoresponders optimisation the list goes unending and marketing I went broke doing all this.
Some big names took me for a ride I did many People say give it time hang-on there is no money left to hang on.I dont know about you guys I just appreciate the way Wazzub is heading as of today the prize money is $ 2858 it started with $ 100 Let somebody give you 1$ I will give you $10.
From my emails I recieve atleast 15000 mails a day well you might say scammers yes ! But what about the thieves they are so big you trust everyword they say and go for the bait! well we are taught to have mentors who are still working wonders in the field.
People have a right to express their thought of mind but what are the facts if you research or investigate be yourself get it done throughly and weigh the facts your judgements should be a pillar in the society with pure facts weighed against all the pros and cons it should help people to move foward and never be stumbling someone from doing all his best with all the Free resources available today.
Today even the free resources on the net are sold in the open market for some cash i got things done like that and later found it was available elsewhere and it was too late for a refund .foe your time !
Yeah… and what do Wazzub give you? Nothing.
Wazzub was schizophrenic from the very beginning. They claim they don’t want any money from the affiliates, yet never really explained WHY they want so many recruits. Their subsequent secrecy (hiding all the principal’s name, a nameless charity, etc. etc.) didn’t help their cause.
All “investigation” is based on what’s publicly available. Wazzub is created by a bunch of MLMers that has vague goals, no proof of leadership or capital or plan to actually *do* what they claim will do.
Thus, I don’t really see what exactly are you objecting to.
It’s been a couple of weeks. what is there to see?
The person who initiated this is Ben I. Stenbock or Count Bengt Stenbock or Ben Stenbock-pick a name. There will be no MLM. He commited suicide on 7-20-2012.
Cathy Halverson has nothing to do with “this” she was used for name and address. Ben was from Sacramento, California.
So you’re saying the founder of Wazzub is some guy called Ben Stensomething something and now he’s dead?
Can we get a source to confirm any of this?
Name and address? Sounds like she had something to do with it then… Your name doesn’t just randomly pop up on company documents if you’ve got nothing to do with said company.
Cathy Halverson is the company registration agent of US Corporation Services for registrations in Oregon.
Bengt Stenbock is listed as “VP of European Operations”. Though he apparently was involved in a corp later used in fraud:
http://www.teaselaw.com/media_quotes_helena.htm
Bengt Ivar Stenbock is one of the lawyers in US Corporation Services. I can find no record of his demise, suicide or otherwise. I did find his traffic ticket as of 06/08/12
So he’s NOT the owner.
A couple months back Wazzub’s head cheerleader claimed their “president” Mr. Lee died. I suspect it’s the figurehead president assigned by US Corporation Services.
Maybe you just mixed up the news?
FYI, got this tip through the grapevine… Wazzub is STILL trying to soak in some money. This is NOT confirmed as I am getting this second or third-hand:
It didn’t exactly come as a surprise. 🙂
I covered that possibility in post #67, listed as one of the potential SCAMS members could be exposed to.
Something that surprised me more is that it still has members eagerly waiting for the first paycheck. It was scheduled for May 15 2012, delayed to June 15, delayed to “after the official launch”, delayed to “sometimes in the future”, and after that the topic went dead.
Actually, what’s surprising is they went ahead and registered a company in Europe (well, I’m guessing they really did) instead of relying on that Oregon company GIT Global Investments.
But this still won’t save them from the SEC suing them as “illegal offer”, despite their “sea-lawyer” attempt to avoid it like repeatedly stating “not shares”.
What the hell is goin on..i signed up long ago in january 2012, up to now, i have never seen anything to do with making money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Isaac
Neither have we, We have only seen empty promises about it.
The first profit sharing paychecks were scheduled to May 15 2012, and then it was delayed to June, July and August 2012, and then this thread went absolutely dead (no members eagerly telling us about their first paychecks, or about how satisfied they were with the profit sharing idea).
Of course not… They’re the ones making money, not you! They can sell your email addresses, soak up any of the ad revenues they actually generate (then tell you there isn’t enough to pay anybody), AND now you’re being fished for “upgrades”!
I *did* warn you all over a year ago… That’s exactly what he’s going to do.
https://behindmlm.com/companies/wazzub-review-another-useless-search-portal-mlm/#comment-68791
If the updates Wazzub sends out members are anything to go by, all you can do is buy ebooks and play the lottery. They’ve been sending these updates out for nearly a year now.
The MLM opportunity is totally MIA.
A tipster threw me a whole bunch of names, including a Malaysian (?) as “head of anti-fraud”. I asked him where did he get the name, but there was no reply thus far. Though many are named as “directors”, suggesting it’s some sort of corporate document.
Oregon corp records says the declared type of business is “Consulting” and the new president is Mari Northup
http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_inq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1541970&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE
Mari Northump also resides in Roseville, CA, and is listed as the head of several companies, which makes her a figurehead president just like Mr. Lee before her.
http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Roseville/mari-northup/44728935.aspx
Hey Chang what’s new with wazzub? No report since April. Are all your assumptions wrong?
Wazzub as an MLM business opportunity petered out a long time ago. The zombie corpse that continues to string people along seems to be something about talent quests, lotteries and ebooks.
Been a member since 2011 , still not one spendable penny from this SCAM . they pumped us up for IPO’s that never happened.
WAZZUB PI WSS BOBL Unicorn Exct !! they mentioned 2 or 3 they were suppose to happen 2015, just excuse after excuse NO IPO if any authority reads this, I have proof of this scam.
I took pictures from webinars supporting what I am saying here. (Pre-IPO shares being sold for a company that does not exist or that never ends up going public. Investors may be offered the opportunity to buy shares of a company that is going public, but the company may not exist at all. The investors’ money is again embezzled with this type of pre-IPO investment scam.)
I also Purchased COP Share’s they called them at the time Co Ownership share’s.
Get this, I was Made an electronic offer for my COP Share’s via Email. I had accepted an offer, it was confirmed. Yet I was Never Paid. Which I’m Sure Crosses the line on Mail Fraud.
Still have the Email offer’s and acceptance confirmation emails. so any law enforcement agency reading this. this company needs to be investigated and people locked up.