Speak Asia CEO Manoj Kumar’s lame Dec 27th excuses
A few people have been wanting to link the December 27th Speak Asia CEO Manoj Kumar YouTube video but apart from the original comment on here, I’ve been nuking the others. The video Kumar uploaded was in Hindi and being an English language blog, there wasn’t really all much to discuss.
Since the video was uploaded though, between running from the EOW and dodging their phonecalls, someone over at AISPA has been kind enough to upload an English translation of Manoj Kumar’s latest YouTube rant.
As usual Manoj Kumar provides little substance, a bunch of emotive language designed to invoke the us vs. them mindset of panelists so that they only believe whatever crap the company feeds them and misdirection.
Here’s the blow-by-blow.
Do you know why we are not answering or giving out statements. Only because many of our matters are pending before the courts…. to give statements when the matter is sub judice, is nothing short of interferences in the legal process…
Before we continue, here’s the definition for sub-judice:
Under judicial consideration and therefore prohibited from public discussion elsewhere.
As it stands, Speak Asia is involved in four court cases.
The first is Speak Asia vs the CID. After failing to serve the respondents properly, a judge has postponed this case until February. In this case, nothing is under consideration as the respondents haven’t even been heard yet.
The second and third cases are lodged in the Mumbai High Court, and are attempts by Speak Asia to stop the police from investigating them. These cases have been adjourned without a proper hearing so legally there’s nothing to consider yet.
The fourth case is the Solomon James writ. Whilst it’s alleged that mediator Ramesh Lahoti ordered all parties to maintain silence over the mediation process, it’s been widely circulated that this process is complete.
Lahoti is due to hand in a report at which point the Supreme Court will fix a hearing date. This particular case might very well be under judicial consideration… but it has nothing to do with the EOW’s statements on their criminal investigation, which has been the focus of the media over the last few days.
Kumar uses the excuse of judicial consideration to explain the lack of communications from Speak Asia, but hiding behind judicial process falls well short of explaining anything, seeing as it fails to apply to the EOW’s criminal investigation.
And just so that we’re clear here, Kumar’s next statement clearly defines that it is the recent reports about EOW’s investigation we are talking about here;
But over the last 2-3 days the reports that I have read in Mumbai mirror, Times of India and on the blog behind mlm…. these reports were the height of false allegations against the company.
All three of those articles directly reference the EOW and quote them on the progress of their criminal investigation. They have nothing to do with judicial process because as it stands, apart from the arrests of Melvin Crasto and Ashish Dandekar (which Speak Asia is not an official party to I believe), there is nothing about the EOW’s investigation that is under legal consideration.
Kumar continues,
The first allegation in this article is that all the panelists associated with the company are criminals, they are the accused because they are part of speakasia. According to them, this is as per law.
No idea what article Kumar is referencing, but as far as I can tell this has never appeared anywhere. What we have here is a blatant attempt by Kumar to invoke the us vs. them mindset of Speak Asia’s panelists which best serves the company.
Thus far the only people currently under arrest are Ashish Dandekar and Melvin Crasto. They are both being held due to evidence presented by the EOW that they are far more than just panelists to the company (or a regional director in Dandekar’s case).
I’d ask Kumar to provide a source for the above statement but I think we all know what the chances are of that happening. Y’know… non-existent judicial consideration and all that.
First they said that 100 of crores of rupees have been sent to Singapore bank and from there the money has been further sent to Latin America and Brazil thru me.
I wish to inform them that I do not hold any personal account or none of the companies where I am a part, have any banking accounts what so ever in Singapore.
So to bring any money into Singapore or further send it anywhere is not possible and the question does not arise.
Where to begin?
After the CID first froze Speak Asia’s funds, CEO Harendar Kaur filed an injunction to unfreeze the accounts which a judge granted. During this time, instead of paying panelists their dues, Kaur transfered out over 100 million USD through Haren Ventures and other associated companies.
This money was then laundered through Seven Rings International’s chain of companies, with some of the money landing in Brazil to fund Seven Ring’s latest scam, Mister Colibri.
Given that Manoj Kumar was the main investor of Mister Colibri (through Seven Rings), it stands to reason he had some control of some or all of the panelist money withdrawn out of India. He can deny this but in the absence of any other investor or an alternate source of funding, Kumar is the only name that links Speak Asia, Seven Rings International, the AdMatrix and Mister Colibri.
Furthermore Kumar is assuming we’re all morons if he believes that the fact these transfers weren’t done through his personal accounts means he’s not implicated or involved. That Kaur is a mere puppet with companies to launder money through is clear, Kumar, at least as far as Indian operations go, appears to be incharge or answerable for Seven Rings’ Indian operations.
Second thing they have said that the senior Speakasia officials own properties worth over 100 crores in and around Mumbai but they are shying away from giving any details for such properties.
Why may I ask them are they being so secretive?
This was bit of a stupid question, as the EOW already explained why. With an open criminal investigation into Speak Asia and several suspects being interrogated, any heads up or tipoff could potentially harm the investigation and seizure of assets.
By going into hiding and dodging police, Speak Asia’s officials have already shown they are willing to hamper police investigations and stall any way they can, so why make it easy for them?
Now they talk of a Mercedes car which is supposed to belong to me, i wish to inform that there is no Mercedes car registered under my name.
Again, Kumar’s simplistic explanations are almost cringeworthy. The cars could be in anyone he knows name, or even Speak Asia or an associated company’s name – who knows.
The fact of the matter is that for all intents and purposes, and as far as evidence the EOW have goes, the cars belonged to Kumar.
They talk of another company by the name of Colibri of Brazil, and yet another company by the name of Admatrix which was supposedly operating in India.
They say that I have invested in Colibri, if they have worked so hard, why can’t they go to the ROC of brazil which can be done on the net also and they can easily find out that who are the promoters of the company. I am surely not the promoter.
They are local people from Brazil; I have no investment in the said company, not even a single naya paisa.
Now this is a little more difficult to analyse as it essentially boils down to he says/she says.
I don’t know why Kumar keeps mentioning ‘They’, seeing as it was Mister Colibri member Lilian Oliveira who first revealed this information. As part of Seven Rings International, who Manoj Kumar is an executive of, she named Kumar as the prime investor of Mister Colibri in Brazil.
Oliveira, being a member of Mister Colibri has no reason to lie. Kumar on the other hand is a wanted fugitive on the run for operating the biggest ponzi scheme in Indian history.
I think there’s enough there for you to decide who’s probably lying. Furthermore Kumar insists he has no investment in the company, yet he is undoubtedly part of Seven Rings International, who in turn are running the Mister Colibri scam.
And this guy appears with a straight face on video saying he’s not an investor… No worries Manoj.
Yes, the promoter of Colibri did come to us to get the software created because my company Tulsiyant where I am the director has been creating Software for Direct Marketing Companies for the last 15 years for various direct marketing companies around the world.
This may or may not be true, but it’s irrelevant. Kumar was listed as an investor and to date nobody has made a connection between Tulsient and Mister Colibri. If there is a link however that’s quite interesting as it no doubt leaves another avenue for Mister Colibri to launder money out of Brazil when the time comes.
Regardless, Seven Rings International are running the Mister Colibri and Kumar is an executive with Seven Rings. Claiming he has no involvement is just a bald-faced lie.
Furthermore, given his comments about programming, I’d like to point out the source-code for the Mister Colibri website was clearly a clone of AdMatrix, as evidenced by the name ‘AdMatrix’ appearing in the source-code itself.
With Kumar asserting that himself, via his company Tulsient are the programmers of said website, why would they just use the AdMatrix website code for Mister Colibri.
Kumar refers to the AdMatrix as ‘another company by the name of Admatrix which was supposedly operating in India’. Now either Kumar and Tulsient did work for the AdMatrix or they didn’t.
If not, how on Earth did the AdMatrix source-code find its way over to the Mister Colibri website?
Then it gets even more bizarre:
Important to note is that when this company approached us we were already working with speakasia. So there was a conflict of interest and that is why we could not work on this.
After hearing their requirement we realized that as the speakasia model was hugely successful and without understanding the way Speakasia worked they wanted us to create a “ me too” model for them, which we refused as it was conflict of interest”.
This is all that is about our relation with Mr. Colibri
Again, if the above is true then why did the AdMatrix source code appear on the Mister Colibri website??
As you can see, Kumar attempting to know nothing about either the AdMatrix or Mister Colibri is just a load of horseshit that doesn’t add up.
There was one more thing written in this article that I am an investor in Colibri and according to them this was mentioned on the site of Mr. Colibri along with my photograph.
I have myself checked the site nothing of this sort appears or as ever appeared on this site. I have come to realize that a certain blog had carried this article along with my photograph.
That’s because since exposing Kumar’s involvement with Mister Colibri, Seven Rings ordered Lilian Oliveira to remove the bit mentioning Manoj Kumar (which was saved and later uploaded incase this happened), and later the entire website ‘ColibriMakeMoney’.
I am investigating who has created this and who has written that blog.
Again, Kumar makes no sense seeing as Lilian Oliveira is named in the article as the author of ColibriMakeMoney. There’s nothing to investigate, Oliveira is a Mister Colibri member who has no reason to lie or anything to gain by naming Kumar as an investor of Mister Colibri.
One more thing that is mentioned in this article is that our people simply vanished and run away, there cannot be more stupid accusation than this.
In order to make a point here…
- Harendar Kaur – In hiding and on the run from authorities.
- Manoj Kumar – In hiding and on the run from authorities.
- Tarak Bajpai – In hiding and on the run from authorities.
- Ashok Bahirwani – In hiding and on the run from authorities.
- Ram Sumiran Pal – In hiding and on the run from authorities.
- Ram Niwas Pal – In hiding and on the run from authorities.
As you can see, as it stands now there are no public management figures of Speak Asia who are not in hiding and on the run from the authorities. To suggest that Speak Asia’s management have done anything but run and hide is nonsense.
With the arrest of Ashish Dandekar and proof that he was operating as acting COO, as it stands we don’t even know who the senior most official of Speak Asia left in India is.
All we know is that lawyers, paid for with panelists money, continue to rock up to court and stop the police from investigating Speak Asia. Forget about answering charges against it, this is a company that doesn’t even want to be investigated, that’s how dodgy they are.
The rest of Kumar’s speech is motivational villager talk and is just fluff designed to make people feel better and secure, whilst not changing the fact that Kumar has effectively run off with their money.
Kumar knows full well that his claims are so easily challenged that it’s laughable, and this is why he continues to hide overseas and refuses to simply front up to India and be interrogated by the authorities.
Ask Speak Asia why this is so and chances are they’ll tell you this is what the lawyers have advised management to do.
But that doesn’t really answer the question does it. The immediate followup question then becomes why did the lawyers advise them to do this?
Answer: Because Speak Asia’s management know they cannot defend running the largest ponzi scheme in Indian history.
Remember, the EOW or any other agency can’t just arrest Kumar for entering India and hold him indefinitely. Like Crasto and Dandekar, they’ll need to provide proof to convince a judge to remand Kumar in custody.
If this were to happen, the deck of cards Speak Asia is built on comes crashing down. You can bet that if Kumar thinks he’s going down for the scam he’d be all too willing to give up anyone else he’s worked with too.
And that my friends it is the only reason this clown continues to upload pithy YouTube videos instead of fronting the police and clearing his name.
You don’t have to prove anything in a YouTube video or even back up your statements – and as such Kumar just makes up whatever paper-thin excuses pop into his head.
Meanwhile when your standing in front of a judge telling them you had nothing to do with Mister Colibri when the company you’re an executive in runs the show… well, that’s why Kumar appears on YouTube and not in the courts.
Thanks again to AISPA for providing us with an English translation.
“With an open criminal investigation into Speak Asia and several suspects being interrogated, any heads up or tipoff could potentially harm the investigation and seizure of assets.”
When Kumar says matter is subjudice and things cannot be discussed openly as the same may harm Speakasia’s legal cases. You start invoking them to come out openly. But when ball comes to your court the same will harm your case. Very well said…Bravo.
What case is that?
What could they possibly say that could harm their attempts to stop the police investigating them? Are they worried they’ll provide evidence that can be used against them?
I don’t have a case, neither do the EOW.
You appear to be confusing a criminal investigation with court cases.
If I ever start my own MLM company, by all means I’ll use my real name. Until then, it’s irrelevant – the information stands on its own.
No you won’t.
The following is from Speak Asia Powers:
I censor crazy conspiracy theories that aren’t backed by evidence and/or is your typical ‘jai Speak Asia’ crap that contributes nothing and ruins the coherency of the discussion here.
You guys censor what you disagree with.
I don’t think it is a lame excuse but here Manoj sir has clarified lot of things as there has been allegations or rathr i say baseless alligations against the company n him….company has not done anythng wrong & will not do it…all they were trying to do is to help people live a good life & after all this all company is tryng to do is to make sure people don’t suffer but bcoz of some corrupt people all comapny is doing is to get a clean chit so that she can again do the good work…i request all of you to support speakasia rather than saying bad words or believing baseless things about it….
Oz
These Sanjeev Khanna’s and all panelist are making fools of themselves. Because even after changing the website of Seven Rings a google search results in a page of Seven Rings with all the people running Seven Rings, and the names of Mister Colibri people are there on it.
http://www.sevenrings.net/pramoters.aspx
Here check the above link the same people who started Mister Colibri are promoters of Seven Rings.
Manoj Kumar is lying saying he only knows the people because they approached him for making software. Lol, making a website, copying Admatrix website into Mister colibri is called making software for Manoj Kumar.
It is clear Manoj Kumar is lying that he doesnt have any business connection except making software, because the people who are running MisterColibri are named on the Seven Rings promoters page, meaning Manoj Kumar’s main business is MLM/Pyramid business and he is involved in Seven Rings, Admatrix, SpeakAsia and now Mister Colibri.
To fool these panelist like Sanjeev and Anju, Manoj Kumar and his team has changed the Seven Rings website but google search results show that page of promoters is still available and also they have removed all pages mentioning the promoters of MisterColibri.
Why not . We actually are fools and we have accepted this a lot ago. What is the new thing you wish to state here.
@anuj
absolutely ! Give the company a chance to pay. Release the server. The way things are going about, it is making difficult for the company to pay and easy to run away.
I had been following both SOAL and BehindMLM sites ever since a close friend told me to have a look at the SOAL site and Its business in Feb 2011. At that point of time I can find only Singapore address and Singapore’s e Phone numbers. No further details were given.
BehindMLM site gave the understanding of MLM business & facts about SOAL. I was not convinced by SOAL business model and decided to not to join. Since then i am a regular reader of BehindMLM.
From my understanding SOAL business model is not viable & at present they are not in a position to pay for the panellists. All the Cheer landing by some panellists will not last long. Personal thanks to BehindMLM.
@viniben…thnx for the support & i guess this is the way we should support speakasia…company wants to pay & want to resume business then why not allowing or giving the clearance….
so far i hardly have seen anything which is wrong in its business & nobody can prove it either…
viniben if company want to run away they could have done it long time back but they are still here & fighting for us….tht makes me more confident about speakasia
@anuj
Nothing was clarified with any proof though.
They seized Merceded Benz belonging to me? Well the cars weren’t in my name!
Mister Colibri members claim I invested in Mister Colibri? Well I didn’t, I’m only an executive of the company running Mister Colibri, I have nothing to do with it!
They say I’m hiding overseas? Well I’m not! I’m fighting by…. by… by hiding overseas!
They say I laundered money out of India? Well I didn’t do it personally through my bank accounts, so how could I do this?!
Kumar assumes he is addressing a bunch of 5 year olds and comes up woefully short. The allegations against him aren’t baseless.
Speak Asia’s ponzi scheme business model speaks for itself. And anything the EOW has on him is proof enough, so much so that he won’t dare set foot in India as he knows he has no chance in hell of proving he’s innocent.
They were lining their own pockets. Instead of paying people Harendar Kaur transferred over 100 million dollars out of India.
You mean because of the company’s unsustainable business model. You can’t clean chit a ponzi scheme, it’s a ridiculous idea.
Granted it’s a ponzi scheme who’s management are in hiding overseas and won’t even face the authorities?
Not gunna happen.
Then with all due respect, you are either blind or a moron if you can’t see the problem with a business model that relies on recruitment to pay commissions and generate revenue. There’s a finite amount of people in the world and sooner or later you run out of people to recruit.
That’s just it though, management have run away, they are all hiding overseas. The only people left are the management able to pose as senior panelists.
Who turns up to Speak Asia’s court hearings? Lawyers paid with panelists money to keep do everything they can to try and stop the police even investigating the company.
Management abandoned ship a long time ago.
@SameerAs far as I can see the Seven Rings ‘pramoters’ page still lists Manoj Kumar as part of the management team.
The same management team that brought Mister Colibri to Brazil.
@viniben
Can’t, this would be facilitating a ponzi scheme. That and Speak Asia owe roughly 30,000cr and only have a recorded revenue of some 2,200-2,400cr.
@oz ….
Many Conratz!!!
Check this link: http://www.bangaloremirror.com/article/11/20111226201112260054014051b703085/Is-SpeakAsia-honcho-now-running-his-scam-in-Brazil.html?pageno=1
Isn’t it interesting that when Kumar’s talking about SpeakAsia, he can hide behind “judicial process”, but in the SAME video, demand EOW to be open and clear about the seizures?
Double-speak!
Also the above link tells something. EOW has stated on record that the Pal Brothers are in their radar now…
No, what he said can be summarized as “I didn’t personally do it so it’s not true.”
“I didn’t personally do it” is probably true, but cannot be verified in any way. He provided no proof that he didn’t do it. Mere words mean very little. Action and factual evidence are needed as proof.
Furthermore, he may not have personally done it all himself, but he may have accomplices, thus making it a conspiracy to commit fraud. Thus, saying he didn’t personally do it may be true, but it’s not a totally honest statement.
Thus, “it’s not true” is NOT supported by what he said.
You don’t need the company server to pay.
You just need to transfer enough money to a trust fund, appoint a trustee to manage the funds, and pay the panelists.
SAOL don’t want to pay. They want to pay AND be declared innocent. The latter won’t happen.
EOW’s making a pretty convincing case, too bad you don’t see it. You’re in too deep.
You apparently consider hiding in unknown countries (Haren Kaur, Manoj Kumar), jumping bail (Bajpai), and just plain hiding (Bahirwani, Pal brothers) “fighting for us”, when it’s clear they are out for themselves.
Oz, pls dont quote this as this was based on assumption. I understand that u understand MLM / PONZI schemes , this i/p – o/p doent match…..
I do believe this “assumption” you referred to was published by newspapers quoting EOW?
Which makes it far more reliable than any **** SAOL and their supporters put up.
Pls do not…Ders not a single interview by EOW officials on this…
@Boogie Man
No it isn’t. It’s straight from the EOW:
These are the same guys who allegedly have complete access to Speak Asia’s backend and thus financials.
I know, that’s the point! Amazing isn’t it, you have a ponzi scheme wasting time in court delaying things when they know they can’t pay!
Did you just hear that?
I think that was the sound of a penny dropping…
Thanks, Oz. I know you linked to it but I can’t find the links.
Dear OZ Box, the above statement gives an indication on the total amount this company needed to pay to the so called panelists.
Now given the above statement pls understand that people got their assured money from FEB 2010 TO MAY 2011 ( Pls take this from the date of start of this scheme till the banks decided not to do banking with this company as im not sure of this period ).
So it means that most of the money due to the people had already been disbursed to the people as ders were no complaints of people not getting ders money before the media exposed it and banking stopped.
Now think when media exposed it, banking stopped and simultaneously site stopped which resulted in no surveys and further lead to no surveys, no income.
Now if people are talking that the company has not paid from the last eight months and not how will they pay, need to understand that people have not generated any income from the last eight months or so as the site is with EOW and this implies that they still hv to pay wat they were supposed to pay when the payment stopped to people i may. And this is common sense.
Now the issue is not whether the company can pay or not ( Cos i feel company can easily pay as the amount is not much.) but whether this scheme slould be made legal or not?????
Suggestions are welcomed….
No it doesn’t. The EOW clearly state
That’s what they owe in RP, not what has already been paid out.
The Indian accounts were frozen by the CID (which is why Speak Asia are desperately trying to stop the CID investigating them in the Supreme Court) and the banks started refusing international transactions once the police got involved.
It had nothing to do with the media.
Survey income was peanuts, the biggest gripe was the recruitment commissions stopped. That and franchisees who bought all those accounts from Speak Asia were all of a sudden unable to sell them to new members.
Why do you think they’re so desperately trying to convince everyone the business will restart, they’re sitting on piles of useless member accounts they purchased that are essentially now worthless.
But they can’t the EOW figure is from the the cease of business operations in May. The EOW state there’s a recorded revenue stream of 2,200-2,400cr and 30,000cr owed (Speak Asia never implemented the product model so it’s a hard cash figure).
The last eight months has nothing to do with this.
Yes it is. You can’t pay out 30,000cr when you only have an official recorded revenue of 2,200-2,400cr.
dear oz, it is simple maths….i assume as u r running this forum u sld be knowing wats SAOL working is.
Hey guys check out this moneylife article 2011: A year dedicated to MLM and Ponzi scheme frauds. EOW mumbai are tracing more cases simultaneously. Speakasia is not the only one scam EOW or government is working on as speakasia’s drummers shout out.
Agreed. You can’t pay 30,000 in RP with 2,200-2,400cr revenue.
End of story, now stop wasting my time.
pls dont get stuck to one thing and keep ur self open to new ideas.
What new ideas?
You can’t pay out 30,000cr with 2,200-2,400cr.
Do Speak Asia members have sort of unique mathematical system nobody else knows about?
u r thinking with ur mind and capability…in business all is possible..u hv exaples like bill gates and steave jobs…just keep ur self open to new ideas…buld wld not hv invented if some one hv not thought of it..
f**k sa members..i am just saying u show some responsibility and rather thn only relying on crap online media..use your brain too…
Probably they believe that the rest of the money will fall from the sky
@Boogie Man
Seriously, do you have some sort of mental deficiency or something?
What on Earth to Bill Gates or Steve Jobs have to do with the fact that you can’t pay out 30,000cr with 2,200-2,400cr?
I am using my brain… are you?
dear oz, u r running away from the topic..lets establish the facts..how 30k figure can be achieved…by 22k..lets uze our brains man..
The 30,000 figure is from the EOW, who have access to Speak Asia’s website backend including the master database (which is where they got the figure owed from).
My point exactly.
It’s impossible, unless SpeakAsia has clients that owe it the remaining 27,000 cr
The same EOW claim that after investigating the business, there are no clients.
They also have a signed confession from the guy Speak Asia paid to doctor up fake surveys from Wikipedia and free article directories.
27,000cr is 5.1 billion USD. Speak Asia made that in a year selling surveys to clients that don’t exist? Lol.
what does soapbox mean by continually saying that saol is wrong in trying to get investigations against it stopped?
if an investigation is conducted under wrong allegations ,of course the aggrieved party has a right to go to court and ask for relief.
how can you say saol has no right to approach the supreme court and ask for the andhra fir to be quashed.it is a legal right ,and our courts are not interested in soapbox’s feelings.
now you say that it’s the franchisees who are holding large inventories of pins[ how do you know? fact or inference? ] who are desperately trying to keep the hope of saol starting alive.
you change your position everyday.please clarify WHO all are management?
130 franchisees ,aispa which has over 25 office bearers,115 panelists in the supreme court,the admins of a the websites and facebook pages [hindi engish punjabi tamil telugu etc]?
the argument is simple if you support saol and say so publicly then you are management.which is desperate nonsense.
it’s a good thing that 2011 brought investigations into mlm fraud.but saol is not money circulation and is not mlm .you cannot throw out the baby with the bathwater.
besides saol is the only company fighting .that should be a pretty good indicator of it’s self belief.
can somebody start a nice english discussion page for saol so i can stop coming here.
it’s becoming more and more disgusting to read the slop soapbox serves up .
it’s a about his postulations and his inferences and as far from the truth as he is from india.
So do you, Anju, so do you.
Except SAOL encourages downlines (referals) and stacking (multiple panels) just like MLM (and pyramid schemes).
Whether it believes in itself is irrelevant. Whether it follows the law is.
As SAOL have no proven clients (it claims its client list is “secret” and thus far NO public company have admitted to chartering ANY surveys from SpeakAsia), and Manoj Kumar himself had previously admitted to falsely naming several companies as clients, it has NO proven income from surveys.
Thus, its ONLY income is from more membership dues.
In other words, the only way the RPs can be paid is even MORE people must subscribe to the e-zines. And who will pay THOSE people, when they accumulate their own RPs?
That’s why Ponzi schemes are illegal. Sooner or later, you run out of victims, and majority of people won’t get paid.
Oh, I can see where you’re coming from… as long as you get paid you don’t CARE whether SAOL is illegal or not. Unfortunately for you, the government does care… So you hate the government.
@anju
I don’t believe the FIR mentioned money laundering, tax evasion and running a ponzi scheme.
The criminal investigation has well extended beyond the scope of the FIR. And whilst the FIR might have started the investigation, it’s validity no longer has any bearing on the investigation itself now.
If someone complains that I owe them money, and the police discover after investigating me that I’ve murdered someone else and have evidence of it, what… I am justified to go to court and attempt to stop them from investigating the murder any further because I claim I don’t owe the original complainant money (thus the FIR is invalid).
No wonder the case has been delayed until February and Speak Asia can’t get their act together and serve the CID properly.
Laundering money overseas, hiding like fugitives and paying lawyers to appear in court isn’t fighting, it’s stalling for time.
I didn’t say they were the only ones… but at a local level, they are certainly the most public and vocal.
Stick to the facts please. I’m not interested in your emotional rants.
According to me, the person who can come on video can also come in front of the hon’ble court.
Definatly there must be some legal things for which he needs to stay calm.
So, dont try to mis guide people.
Thanks
with the andhra fir quashed ,no more arrests will be made in that case.
the cid and eow and everybody else is perfectly welcome to keep investigating the company for all time to come.
their allegations can be answered in court.
you cannot arrest people for alleged money laundering unless you first prove it in court.
you cannot arrest people for alleged tax evasion unless you prove in court that there are outstanding dues and the respondent refuses to pay them.
saol has always said let there be investigations we will cooperate fully.they had even approached the mumbai eow offering to cooperate.
on the basis of the fir the police of andhra and mumbai have basically got a weapon to arrest anybody they please.
with the fir gone the police will be investigating an alleged case of money circulation and that act does not allow random arrests all over the place.
so basically the idea is to take away the weapon of unnecessary harassment from the police.
please name the franchisees who are vocal at a ‘local ‘level as you say. you are ‘certain’they are most public and vocal .name them.
and whats with manoj and haren aren’t appearing in court and sending lawyers instead?
it perfectly legal to do so .our supreme court has no problem with it . who are you ?
Sorry to interfere, guys. I see you’re busy practising communication skills or something?
@anju
I have some good news. I checked the difference in timezones, and it seems to be possible to find some solutions here. I haven’t evaluated them yet, but at least there may still be some hope.
The current solution is only temporarily, so if you have any suggestions …? 🙂
Back to you, guys.
I liked the idea of practising skills, but at the current time of day I’m really not into arguing.
‘Some legal things’ isn’t a valid excuse to hide from the law.
Kumar is hiding because he knows he can’t answer the EOW’s evidence against him. So instead he puts out silly Youtube videos with reasoning aimed at a kindergarten level.
@anjuWhat case, the FIR?
The FIR was about recovery of funds was it not? The EOW investigation has moved well beyond that. Quash the FIR and there’s still the criminal matters of running a ponzi scheme, money laundering and tax evasion.
Those have nothing to do with the FIR.
That’s not what Speak Asia thinks, they’re trying to stop investigations into the company by taking the EOW and CID to court (tell me, who lodged a FIR with the CID?)
So say one thing and do another thing in court. Rightio.
Who’s been arrested for tax evasion? The ED claim Speak Asia is guilty of this, not any individual?
You mean on the basis of evidence right? Crasto accepted kickbacks from the company which was proven in court before a judge. So was Dandekar’s involvement in the company beyond that of a Regional Manager.
Honestly, the EOW can arrest anyone they like with or without a FIR – but they need to be able to prove they evidence on said arestee in court.
What, do you think the police only arrest people in criminal matters if there’s a FIR filed? What part of criminal investigation do you not understand?
Again, if the FIR is quashed it doesn’t make the criminal liability for running a ponzi scheme, tax evasion and money laundering go away. Those are criminal offences being investigated with or without the FIR.
Head over to Facebook. Or ask your dad (is the stress of hiding from the police like a criminal affecting him yet?)
Who said anything about illegal, I’m glad you agree they’re fugitive cowards who aren’t personally fighting anything.
oh! My…
SOAL Could involve top lawyers…. still they never tried to apply for Anticipatory Bail for Manoj Kumar?? In this way he could avoid arrest and come back to India?? Please enlighten me..
Bit hard to apply for anticipatory bail when you’re guilty, which is probably just some of the “advice” Kumar’s lawyers gave him.
Easier to just make up stories on YouTube and hide overseas.
@siddharth…i agree with you..how are they investigating is by bothering and creating problems for family members & kids & also to innocent people….if this is their way of investigating then sorry boss they are the ones who are corrupted….
and for admin, you have been saying things n all but never shown any proof or doc which support the same….if you have some solid proof then you show it, why to misguide people…seems like you are also associated with EOW
@vikram
No proof? What’s the matter, the EOW, ED and IT investigations and statements not proof enough?
…boo hoo, we got involved in a ponzi scheme and now the police are investigating us.
Here’s a tissue.
One reason to fight can be that it’s worth to do it, for some reason or another. It can also be related to a need to protect something else, like some ongoing operations like TheAdMatrix.
Still. I think company never ever refuse to return the money.
Infact it is struggling hard to resume all operations.
And very true if the company want to run it would have run long back.
Why to indulge in all these arguments and legal activities.
Except that one time when Harendar Kaur succesfully won an injunction against the CID freezing of Speak Asia’s accounts earlier this year – and instead of paying panelists right then and there she transferred over 100 million USD to Singapore, never to be seen again.
Speak Asia are a MLM company, this is a blog about MLM.
Why dont you people understand that the Company is trying there level best to prove all possible facts and figures.
Its not everytime right the way we are judging it.
Please maintain patience and trust the Company and its officials.
@Raman
They don’t need to. The EOW have access to their backend and have already stated Speak Asia’s recorded revenue and amounts owing to panelists. These figures (2,200-2,400cr and 30,000cr) don’t add up.
You mean the way the EOW are judging it.
Why? All they’ve done is run off overseas and hide. What proof have they provided of any of their claims?
All they’ve done is submit affadavits in court claiming the company used business models it never used and CEO Manoj Kumar uploads videos to YouTube whilst in hiding with “facts” he’s pulled out of his arse.
If Kumar doesn’t have the confidence to prove his claims in court and remains in hiding as a fugitive, seeking to stop the police from even investigating the company – why should I trust him?
Why should anybody?
Oz. Only blaming is not sufficient proof something
how can u comment all this. Do u belong to a legal authority. Or u have some access to all speakasia’s accoutns
So, better be shut up.
Osama bin Laden also come on video… just look at what happened to him.
We Still believe that company is our and not going to run away.
Blah Blah Blah
Are those 100 USDs got transfered to u.
So why are u so jealous about it.
Who’s blaming? The Speak Asia business model pays out peanuts for surveys, they have no clients buying surveys and their recorded revenues (by the EOW) pretty much exactly matches the membership fees of 1.8 million accounts.
All of this is from the EOW and Speak Asia’s business model itself.
You don’t need legal authority to analyse a business model.
Why do I need access, the EOW already have it.
Awwwww. Rather people didn’t discuss your widdle ponzi scheme? Diddums.
So you’re ignoring all the EOW statemtns as quoted by your local newspapers? Are you blind or deliberately turning a blind eye toward it?
Why not? Better than all the other SAOL cheerleader stuff. “Trust in the company, don’t ever criticize it.” Look at where you are now… Your trust resulted in Harenda Kaur transferring several hundred crore of YOUR money to Singapore.
Oz is a private citizen. But then you don’t care, do you? You ignore statements from legal authorities (as published by your newspapers) any way. So why ask the question?
EOW does. It has stated the figures. Unless you have better figures and proof (like signed audit by a CPA) why don’t YOU shut up, since your comments are not adding to the conversation at all?
Oh so do u understand the Business model.
Do u yourself understand what marketing is?
Anyways we still believe in SPEAKASIA
They ALREADY ran away. Why do you think 100+ crore is in Singapore instead of in India? It was only stopped by CID’s injunction or MORE money would have left.
Not relevant to the discussion. Do you also question the government for investigating? Do you tell the police “not your business”?
@Siddharth
Of course I do, I reviewed the Speak Asia and their business model back in March.
(why do we go through this every time a Speak Asia panelist find this site?)
Yup. And in the context of ponzi schemes this is relevant how?
And this is why you lost your money. Because if Speak Asia told you your own shit was pizza, you’d happily gulp it down, ask for more and come here to tell us that your own shit was indeed pizza.
And only because Speak Asia said so.
You mean what Manoj Kumar CLAIMS to be SpeakAsia’s business model? Such a model was never actually implemented.
Until now SpeakAsia has yet to prove it has clients who chartered any surveys. Thus, what it claims to be “marketing” is irrelevant.
yes, that is obvious. The question is WHY. WHAT has it done to earn your trust and devotion?
OK.Now as per your various articals we can come to conclusion that speakasia is closed.It can never pay back to panalists….Now please help us to recover the money(from bank accounts) which seized the EOW mumbai.
Kindly read this artical written by our sweet Mr.Mateen Hafeez.
(Ozedit: snipped irrelevant article, keep the discussion about Speak Asia please – that and I have no idea why you linked to it)
That’s up to the EOW, this is an information based blog about MLM.
The money seized by EOW is just 10% of the ammount SpeakAsia owes the panelists.
The big question is that there’s a strong suspicion that the other 90% don’t even exist. Is it hard to indestand?
I had purchase subscription of e-zine on 11k & did few surveys on May 2011. I unable to en-cash single penny from cost amount due to blockage of transaction seized all banks of company & in progress investigation against company.
Earlier our hon’ble Supreme Court issued orders for amicable settlement of dispute & give out pending dues to the victim members. But here I saw few peoples (American citizen) chang & OZ is providing evidence by saying previously company dealing with illegal scheme & nobody will refund back & seized amount will remain in govt.
account as Tax liabilities, also supported forcefully others agency to continue do investigation against company. Moreover SpeakAsia business scheme is scam, ponzi or not, we won’t care about that but we want our hard earn money back.
Finally, I want to cry we don’t have single penny to pay money for bread & butter to run our family and for god’s sake, please kindly don’t put difficulties in the way if company want to pay back to us.
Several mistakes I need to correct.
1) Oz is in New Zealand. I am American.
2) We didn’t say so. Your own EOW said so, confirming Oz’s earlier analysis.
3) I have NOT heard anything about Tax department claiming to hold all the money for taxes. Nor have I seen any reports of such. The only thing I saw regarding taxes was an investigation of possible tax evasion.
4) The money is frozen by CID and EOW, NOT the tax department. EOW don’t care about taxes. They’re after ponzi and pyramid schemes, and such scams
5) Thus, I conclude that you have been misinformed by whoever feeding you the information.
6) And thus, I wonder what is the purpose of such false rumors spread by whoever fed you such, and what do they have to gain from it.
Moreover SpeakAsia business scheme is scam, ponzi or not, we won’t care about that but we want our hard earn money back. Finally, I want to cry we don’t have single penny to pay money for bread & butter to run our family and for god’s sake, please kindly don’t put difficulties in the way if company want to pay back to us.
You have no brains to calculate it doesn’t mean the company also has none. When I explained you 3.8 Million thing you understood though not publicly.
Just hope that by the passage of time you will understand this calculation too.
Because none of the banking channel in India has allowed Speakasia to open the bank account.
it doesn’t take more than a few brain cells to see you can’t pay 30000 crore with with only 2400 crore of money.
Unless you claim SAOL is like Jesus, make money like Jesus make bread and food multiply?
Because u feel proud of ranting what you have understood not what was to be understood.
The money was ALREADY IN multiple Indian bank accounts, and was TRANSFERRED to Singapore.
How did you think the transfer happeend? Someone lugged briefcases of bill to the bank?
What’s there to understand, other than you’re basing your opinion on other people’s opinions, while Oz’s opinion is based on facts?
@Sanjeev
What horseshit are you crapping on about now?
We both understood that as membership fee revenue grew, so thus does the survey prince (an increase over 3.8 million USD per survey).
We both agreed that was ridiculous, even more so then the current scenario where Speak Asia had to have sold 2 surveys a week at 3.8 million USD each for 52 weeks straight.
There’s nothing to understand.
2,200-2,400 != 30,000.
Isn’t India supposed to be the land of engineers? Speak Asia must have really scraped the bottom of the barrel if panelists can’t even get their heads around the above equation.
@KaseyActually in the case of Sanjeev, he’s basing it on, and I quote, ‘blind faith’. He’s admitted this several times. A lot of the panelists seem to be doing this (the anjus, etc.) and it’s why we keep clashing.
Blind faith is a variable, you can simply change your reality to fit whatever justification you need to continue believing ponzi schemes are legit.
Conspiracy theories, paid agents, ‘you’re foreigners waaah!’, you don’t understand, 2,200-2,400 = 30,000, submitting a business model you never used in court but claim you used isn’t purjury, management aren’t hiding overseas, they’re fighting hard… by hiding overseas, …even the complete suspension of basic mathematical principles – we’ve seen it all here used in the justification of Speak Asia.
@Piyan
Speak Asia being a ponzi scheme.
You mean the possibility of an amicable settlement.
Given 2,200-2,400 != 30,000cr, this is a waste of time.
Dunno where you’re pulling this from, but Speak Asia has already run off with your money. They laundered it to Singapore and from there some of it went to Italy (Seven Rings), some to Holland (AdMatrix), some to Brazil (Mister Colibri), some to the British Virgin Islands (Podium Ring) and who knows where else.
Well you should have cared about that before you signed up.
The harsh reality of ponzi schemes is that you can’t pay out 30,000cr with a little over 2000 cr. Stop wasting your time crying and go find a real job.
Here’s some more evidence to refuse Manoj Kumar’s lies.
On the subject of being an investor of Mister Colibri, Manoj Kumar claims that
This is from Dirceu Marcal on Facebook:
Now as we all know, Manoj Kumar serves on the management team over at Seven Rings, yet claims he has no investment in Mister Colibri.
Lies much?
As we usually say in Brazil, “the snake is gonna smoke”
Good Morning Chang,
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K. Chang: As SAOL have no proven clients (it claims its client list is “secret” and thus far NO public company have admitted to chartering ANY surveys from SpeakAsia),
The facts about the above are yet to be established, and i m in not mood of discussions on assumptions.
If this thing wld hd been established, there can not be any scope for any lahoti committee cos thn the case becomes total criminal and any PIL/writ wld never had been entertained by court. The EOW wld had been charge sheeted saol long back.
Dear Chang, With due respect, i never hate any body cos i feel hating is SIN. Now u telling me that i hate the govt. is again a new tactics of urs to run away from facts.
Pls understand that i am visiting this forum cos i assume u guys hv intellect and it wld be good to hv discussion with u. Now if i ask for facts it doesnt mean im on the side of this so called fraud company and if i totally agree with u thn im against this company..
But my problem is y this company is still in the news when so many companies hv defrauded the people after this also and none discusses thm? and y this company is not just disappearing like others did?
Look at this video, that shows how to join Mister COlibri http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq2-ttNVdxc (at 3:16 the name “seven rings international appears”). I suggest you to take a screencast,or at least a Printscreen
I think govt. over der wld hv planned some kinda action on this. and we sld get news shortly. They can not be so dumb..
@Brazillian
Done and done –
Just more proof Kumar is full of shit (and why he’s in hiding…)
@Boogie Man
Apparently Manoj Kumar thinks they are!
@boogie man
They’re not assumptions, they are facts. The EOW are conducting an investigation into Speak Asia and made public statements based on the evidence they have found.
Not until the investigation is finished.
The Lahoti Committee has nothing to do with the EOW or their investigation. They showed up, told the Committee they were busy with their own investigation, said those filing the petition needed to have their credentials checked and that was the end of their involvement.
Because it’s the largest MLM fraud India has ever seen (probably the largest I’ve seen globally this year too).
Who’s left? The money is gone, management are gone – all that’s left is lawyers paid for with scam money who rock up to court cases…
If the lawyers stopped getting paid tommorow, who hasn’t dissappeared that would be left to face panelists?
Interesting.
“Seven Rings International FTZCO” gives a lot of hits on KOREAN websites. There may be a main part of the company in Korea?
Another thing.
“FTZCO” didn’t give any meaningful results, but it popped up 2 ads for hotels in Dubai, as first part of the searchlist.
Well, by the videos I’ve watchrd, Mister Colibri now wants to expand it’s business to Spain, other countries whose language is Spanish, and Portugal
It’s NOT assumption. Assumption is something taken without reason such as supporting facts and logic. FAITH is an assumption. This is analysis and conclusion based on facts and logic.
FACT: NO COMPANY IN INDIA have admitted having chartered any survey from SpeakAsia. NOT A SINGLE ONE.
FACT: Manoj Kumar himself admitted that they have previously LIED about having ICICI and Tata and so on as clients
FACT: Manoj Kumar himself have claimed that the client list is trade secret, despite repeated calls for him to prove that SAOL has any clients.
LOGIC: If SAOL have any clients, they would have long since departed due to all the negative publicity, thus it would not have mattered if he revealed them now, as the company had no surveys for MONTHS.
LOGIC: It makes NO SENSE for a company to have NDA covering the fact that a company had chartered a survey. Could the fact that Tata (or ICICI, or any other company) chartering a survey from SpeakAsia be harmful in any way to the company or SpeakAsia, and thus, be covered by NDA? We’re NOT asking about the products or services, but rather just to prove that a business relationship exists between SpeakAsia and ANY client. Thus far, nothing.
LOGIC: given all the facts and logic above, the conclusion is simple… SpeakAsia HAS no survey clients EVER. The secret client list Manoj Kumar kept referring to is empty. It explains all the facts.
If you have a better theory, please present it, or if you find any logic holes in the above theory, please discuss it. Just blanket dismissal of it as “assumption” shows that you are turning a blind eye toward it, thus demonstrating your own “assumption” at work.
Is this the “only the innocent fight, and SAOL is fighting, therefore SAOL must be innocent” argument?
Since plenty of fraudsters fight in court with lawyers, and was eventually convicted, this logic is flawed.
As for WHY did SAOL choose to fight rather than disappear quietly, you’ll have to ask the management, whom appear to be all in hiding.
Just a side note, I’m nuking most of Boogie Man’s comments as spam. We’ve discussed the points he’s raising ad naueseum and asking for proof when the EOW have made public statements is not an argument.
Some panelists believe going around in circles somehow proves Speak Asia is legit. I don’t have the time.
If you want proof, see the EOW’s statements which are based on their investigation. Unless you can disprove these statements, stop wasting our time.
Hello Oz
Kindly make a new article and analyze about Seven Rings involvement with that screenshot you have of payment made to colibri going to seven rings, so that these Jai SpeakAsia’s realise how their boss is fooling them.
Hmm i think not involvement of Seven Rings, but explicitly Manoj Kumar
Don’t think it warrants a new article, it’s all part of the discussion on this article.
I’ve had to knock back all sorts of rubbish Speak Asia’s panelists are trying to publish here.
The latest was vikram trying to address ‘all Speak Asia panelists’ and convince them that Oliveria simply ripped the text (her own) naming Kumar as investor of Mister Colibri from Bizbasket (they even covered Mister Colibri!)
Of course vikram also failed to mention what a Mister Colibri member in Brazil would have gained by making up stories about Manoj Kumar…
Then there’s comments like this:
Yeah… because a bribe somehow changes the facts as they stand regarding Kumar’s involvement in Mister Colibri. Good one idiots.
Apparently facts you can’t accept is also just ‘negativity’ and can be
conveniently ignoredbrushed aside.Given Kumar is on the management of Seven Rings, any business ventures of Seven Rings directly involves Kumar on a financial level.
Ashok Bhairwani’s update on Behind MLM.
The speakasians always complain about “other people except speakasians don’t understand speakasia’s business model”.
The fact is there is no business model as such written or displayed or properly explained anywhere. When you ask to explain the business model then usual reply will be “the business model is explained to RBI or to the court, so no need to explain to you”.
But why you cannot explain to ordinary people, you are doing multi crore business based on that model and due to confusion over the same speakasia is in trouble. So, why you cannot explain it on a platform like this blog or any of speakasia’s website?
Until the speakasia’s business stoped they are selling survey panel not the subscription of e-zine. The cost of the e-zine is 11000 whereas many people have invested 1 lack to 10 lacks or may be more. People have bought 3 or more premium panels and many more sub panels from spekasia.
After sometime speakasia stopped payment for extra panels saying you have to submit different PAN cards for every panel you have bought, though you are doing so from single bank account. (You can verify this on bizbasket where panellists are complaining about the same.
Thus speakasia was selling panels but not the subscription of some e-zine as they claim. After all there is no point selling 5 or 10 subscription to the same person.
If they are paying for survey done by panellists it is useless if a single person fills up more than one survey. If speakasia has any client, they are supplying wrong survey results to them.
Almost all of these things are discussed before; I am posting this just because I want some speakasian to explain their business model here.
I stopped reading Bahirwani’s update when he started crapping on about how Speak Asia isn’t MLM.
They used a binary paired compensation plan. A binary pays out on multiple levels, hence multilevel marketing, hence Speak Asia is MLM.
I note that the Speak Asia FAQ states in MLM companies that the only income that can be generated is via recruitment, have they never heard of retail sales in MLM before?
Speak Asia’s full business model has been available here since March – https://behindmlm.com/companies/speak-asia-online/speak-asia-online-review-combining-mlm-and-surveys/
As usual, Bahirwani is full of it.
I imagine the rest of the update is just nit picking and squabbling with the usual religious ‘jai Speak Asia’ at the end.
Funny how quoting the EOW on their investigation and proving Seven Rings are backing Mister Colibri financially isn’t good enough proof for some people, but they’ll happily believe whatever Ashok Bahirwani or Kumar uploads in a YouTube video – when they provide nothing more then than hollow words.
Does Bahirwani mention why he’s on the run from the EOW or whether he’s stopped in for a chat yet?
Ashok Bahirwani has been promoted.
Now apart from AISPA he has become official spokesman and certifying authority for innocence of SAOL, Admatrix, Mr. Colibri and Sevenrings International.
Ashok Bahirwani the new COO of Speakasia. True True. That’s what he is doing.
As SpeakAsia cannot prove it has clients, any such model that claims they pay for surveys is bull****. It’s a circular argument.
Q: What does SpeakAsia claim to do?
A: SpeakAsia publishes surveys, and pays panelists for filling them. That, and we plan to sell them TVs too. (Bahirwani, Manoj Kumar, etc.)
Q: So who has SpeakAsia done survey for? Who has chartered such surveys from SpeakAsia?
A: That’s a secret (so said Manoj Kumar)
Q: Does SpeakAsia have any clients?
A: That’s a secret (so said Manoj Kumar)
Q: So you can’t prove SpeakAsia have any clients.
A: I say SpeakAsia have clients. I just can’t say who (so said Manoj Kumar)
Q: So you can’t prove it (didn’t I ask that already)?
A: I already answered you
Q: So we’re just supposed to trust you without any proof?
A: …
If we go by the argument that there were no surveys and therefore no revenue to SAOL, how come the company paid each and every panelist week after week for more than 15 months ?
If according to soapbox, there was only recruitment, can any company pay all the members just on binary, that too, week after week ? I am sure soapbox would know if ever there was a company that paid each and every member just on recruitment.
In this point, the secret to keep the system alive at least for a time is:
-keep growing fastly(what was actually happening with SpeakAsia) and -disuade people from withdrawing the money(i.e.: make people use their rewarding points to buy more poanelk)
Acting in this way, theree were Ponzi Schemes that lasted for 20 or even 30 years (just search about Dona Branca,in Portugal and Bernie Madoff, in Wall Street).
@viniben,
Speakasia took money from new members and paid some back to panelist from it. Once this became stagnant, they made the disappearing act. Also remember, many panelists never actually withdrew any money, they let the RP’s accumulate to encash it later on to fulfill their dreams…
@Oz, I believe these Jai speakasians need to be given step by step instructions on the math (Kinda like Kinder Garten) involved in the Ponzi scheme…
I have just read Bhairwani’s open letter to Tiwari of Mumbai Mirror on aispa.co.in. As usual it seems his letter is drafted by a panel of advocates.
The facts regarding the working of Speak Asia are clear to all. I am free to assist the investors / panelists in my own way. Behindmlm.com is a very good website and doing a wonderful job of reasoned analysis and thereby enlightening all visitors to the site free of cost.
In this letter he has referred to me. Hence I think that is one point that I have submitted in my complaint to EOW needs to be elaborated which is important:
Speak Asia had offered a choice of two modes of payment for payment to the investors / panelists:
1. Payment directly to the Bank account of the investor / panelist from its Bank account in Singapore.
2. Payment through a Banker’s cheque / demand draft sent to the address of the investor / panelist submitted at the time of online registration.
Now consider the following:
a) Speak Asia did not make any payment after on 12th May, 2011 as the media dubbed its online survey scheme as fraudulent as it could not name any clients for its surveys and hence no new investments were forthcoming.
b) Thereafter Speak Asia claims that RBI sent a circular resulting in inability to pay the investors / panelists through Indian Banks. What is the date?
c) Why did Speak Asia stop remitting money through Indian Banks between 12th May, 2011 and the date of issue of the circular by the RBI?
d) Was payment stopped to ensure the welfare of the promoters, management and associates?
e) Was payment stopped to keep a war chest ready for paying the top lawyers in future to ensure the welfare of the promoters, management and associates as it was sure that Court cases would start – criminal, civil ,etc.?
f) Speak Asia then claimed that it had to suddenly shut down its Bank account in Singapore without any reason being ascribed for the same. I think this was in end May, 2011.
g) No Bank can ask its constituent to shut down its account without a valid reason. Singapore is not a Banana Republic.
h) Did Speak Asia take away the money in its account in gunny bags? No!
i) It must have opened a new Bank account and deposited the money in it from where it could have paid the investors/ panelists if it wanted to prior to the RBI circular. What date was this transfer of funds affected from the old account in Singapore to the new account where ever in the world?
j) Hence it is clear that there is a window in time when Speak Asia could have paid its investor / panelists directly through the Banks if it wanted to do so!
k) Speak Asia says that EOW has taken over its server! Amazing! What is the date? In any case it has to be after my complaint on 28th July, 2011.
l) It is also clear that Speak Asia could have paid its investor / panelists directly by sending a Banker’s cheque / demand draft sent to the address of the investor / panelists submitted at the time of online registration up to the date of the alleged seizure of its servers by the EOW in India from its new Bank account where ever in the world.
m) This was the second option for payment to the investors / panelists and it was deleted from the website – http://www.speakasiaonline.com immediately after the media onslaught from 12th May, 2011.
n) Speak Asia must be having its back up of records in its Singapore accounts office which must be computerised and the backup of the data must be on a real time basis. Surely Speak Asia cannot claim that it collected investments without maintaining a detailed account of the name and amount invested by each investor / panelist in its accounts office in Singapore?
o) Speak Asia says that it wants to pay the investors / panelists. Then it should pay forthwith by using the data in its accounts office in Singapore. I think STAR TV correspondent has visited the Singapore office.
All the initial promoters of the online survey scheme of Speak Asia as well as the current investors / panelists who have not even recovered their money are aware of this option.
The investors / panelists who have not even recovered their money are aware of this option but are keeping quiet and praying that a miracle will happen and help them recover their money.
maybe it can help the to understand:
I think Viniben is a teenager coz its a simple math that Speak Asia takes 11k and gives 4k by month end.
Success of MLMs lies in the number of new joinee in the next month. It is clear that Speak Asians grew at very aggressive rate (0.2M in 15 months)!!
I know there’s some expectation for me to respond to Bahirwani’s rant but honestly, if he can’t even agree that Speak Asia, which paid members out on multiple levels via binary pairing isn’t a multi-level marketing company, there’s not much point is there.
@viniben
Because they didn’t pay cash, they paid in RP which had to be redeemed. Also franchisees were running around with how many PINS which they’d already paid membership fees on to Speak Asia.
Membership fees was enough to cover the commission payouts. Let’s not forget the 800 fraud accounts generated to kickstart the program or the fact that Speak Asia’s membership only exploded in the later months and got out of control either.
Every ponzi scheme in existence. Eventually they all collapse though. Speak Asia, whether the authorities got involved or not is no different.
AdMatrix (SevenRings other Indian scam) paid out 100% of its commissions from membership fees too, look what happened to them.
Dear Chang, i do not dispute but u say. You may hv a strong logic. But i like to discuss only facts. And the fact of the matter still remains.. if SAOL has not submitted any proof’s of surveys thn it is proved before investigation that SAOL is fraud.
And if it is the case, no Writ/PIL can be entertained in the highest court in country but i c the opposite happening…pls elaborate
Dear Navnit, can u be little specific when u make a point. Pls explain wat your whole story sums up in…
As per my understanding u mean that SAOL cld hv paid if they wanted to..am i right dear..if yes thn pls understand if they hv not paid u previously thn they wont pay u now..so stop wasting ur time and do some hard work for ur living..
Boogie Man
I am not speaking for myself but a few lakh investor / panelists who have not recovered their investment. There are on the other hand management / panelists who have received large sums of money from Speak Asia in their Bank accounts.
Two of them are being produced in the Sessions Court in Mumbai tomorrow for their bail application. Senior counsel charging huge fees appear for them. Money obviously is in abundance for legal fees.
Boogie man there are fat cats of Speak Asia surveys who have received huge sums of money in cash from inducing new investors to invest in the survey scheme and have sold them their PINs.
You should use your influence and intellect to get the fat cats to refund the money collected by them from the investors / panelists who have not recovered their investments. Otherwise you should stop coming here to sound wise and fatherly.
Only these fat cats who have made huge sums of money are singing Jai Speak Asia! Also singing – Jai Speak Asia! – are those who have received money directly from Speak Asia in their Bank accounts or otherwise.
Those who have lost money are in a majority as the increase in the number of investors is similar to a geometric progression. Like 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128…….. Remember the oppressed shall revolt and THEN THE SHIT WILL HIT THE FAN.
Do not worry about me. God will look after me. After all by filing the complaint / FIR I have saved a few lakh more souls who would otherwise have also invested money in the survey scheme of Speak Asia which should now be renamed the SAOL PROMOTERS, MANAGEMENT & ASSOCIATES WELFARE FUND.
Boogie man are you coming to Court tomorrow to cheer up the the unfortunate DUO that the EOW has taken in custody for help in delving the dark secrets of Speak Asia?
@Oz
Only speaking for myself, there is no need to respond to everything.
If you establish the need to respond as a habit then you’ll also can expect to be overloaded with work from time to time, or be forced to make certain unnecessary decisions.
This may be vital when discussions “goes around in circles”, and never seems to be able to reach any conclusion (or whatever is needed to end a discussion).
We would be very little effective if we had to respond to almost everything, including all the unimportant stuff, “in detail and backed up by facts”. 🙂
Identifying “there isn’t much point” is a far better solution. Ignoring things is also a solution.
They didn’t. They paid in RP. Why do you think there’s 30000 crore of RP sitting unredeemed? It costs nothing to put a number in your ‘account’ that says “you have earned X RP!”
Furthermore, as long as they recruit members at a faster rate than paying out members, they can continue to pay real $$$. That’s exactly how a Ponzi scheme works. When they can’t recruit any more members, and more people want out, the whole thing collapses.
The Supreme Court hearing is a CIVIL lawsuit between the panelists and SpeakAsia regarding why panelists were not paid. It is NOT to establish whether SAOL has clients or have income other than subscription fees. Or to put it in baby words:
Which is where we are now.
Proving SAOL has no clients, therefore is nothing more than a money circulation / Ponzi scheme would be EOW’s job, but based on what they have released thus far, it should be a “slam dunk” case for them.
You see, SAOL has been running an very effective “spin” campaign where it tries to confuse the issues.
Your Supreme Court case is a purely CIVIL case involving MONEY (panelists vs. SAOL). SAOL itself is not on trial for its business model… yet.
When EOW/CID actually file charges in court against SAOL, THEN you’ll see all the evidence presented. But EOW have long hinted at their avenue of investigation through the arrests and various bits of info they have released to the media.
Here are the facts:
1. To date, even under a criminal investigation Speak Asia have not released the name of one survey client that has not turned out to be a lie.
2. The EOW, after investigating the company claims there are no survey clients and has a sworn confession from the man paid to doctor up Speak Asia’s surveys from Wikipedia and free article directories.
3. Total recorded revenue of Speak Asia is 2,200-2,400cr. 1.8 million panelist account X 11,000 joining fee = 1,900 cr. This is pretty close to the EOW’s estimate of total revenue recorded for the company with the difference being attributed to the difference franchisees pay Speak Asia for PIN accounts vs. the 11,000 total sale cost.
This leaves no room of doubt that the company made the majority of revenue, if not all of it, from membership fees.
This is one conclusion drawn from the ongoing EOW investigation. When they are done, it will go to court.
The Supreme Court action has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the company, that is the EOW and other agencies investigative domain. The Supreme Court action is solely to ‘explore the possibility of an amicable settlement’ between panelists and Speak Asia.
Given that 30,000cr is owed and just 2,200-2,400cr is recorded revenue – this seems highly unlikely.
These are the facts as they stand.
If you can openly challenge SAOL then become a party in all legal cases and fight.
Hiding and creating yourself is not a men’s performance just come and question all your needs and you’ll get all answers with evidence.
Why do I need to fight or become a legal party against Speak Asia, that’s the authorities job.
I merely analyse the information and evidence infront of us as it stands.
You tell me the same Mr. Chang. Because some how I have no brains and am a fool as per your series of comments.
I only feel that Money was transferred to Singapore because the payouts used to happen from Singapore !!. Isn’t it?
You may be correct here Andy. Because you have been deprived of actual working model of Speakasia. Had you experienced the live working model of Speakasia you should have never asked this.
Could you just let me know the date of Biz Basket Article Andy. If I can recall correctly it was some where in August only. The payments were any how not coming at that time. Please stop fooling people by putting wrong references. Moreover the Biz basket is group of panelists only and they have been very instrumental in keeping all of us united and there statements can not be termed as Company’s policy.
Company had given option of filling three surveys by three different family members who share the same email / phone no. No where it was allowed that a single person could fill all the surveys. Kindly validate your statement please…!
@k.chang
The illustrations put about the ponzi scheme was showing returns on annual basis, while the income from SAOL was weekly. Your given argument was put forth by others as well, but after getting the answers only they joined, including some panelists who have been Country-Heads of MNC’s.
Panel aggregation and online surveys for market research is popular in many developed countries in Europe and america, while it was new to India.
In goa, many panelists did shopping thru speakasia portals where many well-known vendors sold their products. There were full-page speakasia adverts in leading newspapers as well as TV commercials during IPL cricket series. Hard to beleive ponzi scheme-masters would go to such lengths.
I fully Agree with you on this point M_Norway.
soapbox says that he bases his postulations on fact as spoken by the eow to the media.
the eow initially said they had put out five red corner notices for saol management.
after a while toi reported [quoting eow ] that seven red corner notices had been issued
the latest news report only talks about one red corner notice for manoj which too does not show up on the concerned site.
the eow through the honest press reported it had received over 200 complaints but has not mentioned this in the courts.
the eow says it has found properties worth 100 crores belonging to management in mumbai ,but refuses to elaborate.
when according to soapbox the management has fled and there’s nobody left in saol ,except for some lawyers who are fighting on their own accord for some strange reason ,then why do the eow need to hide facts about the property .is it because it’s like the fictitious 200 complaints?
whenever these fellows talk about the supreme court writ why do they conveniently forget to mention that the writ prays for payment AND business restart.
somebody above said people have LOST money to saol.
saol has not run away with anybody’s money it’s the rbi which came in the way.but the supreme court should settle that now.
since day number one saol has been pleading to pay ,and currently it looks like the supreme court will allow them to pay exit optioners.when the supreme court is informed about our problem why is this site continually egging on panelists to go to the eow.what is the vested interest?
the eow can first come to court and prove that saol is ponzi and carry on the rest of it’s investigations like picking up two cars and creating fictitious properties later on .nobody can stop the eow from investigating till kingdom come.
i’m so sick of the continuous blah blahing about survey and survey income.
NOT IMPORTANT!
@Sanjeev Khanna
Here is the re-post of the link
http://www.bizbasket.net/2011/06/pan-card-mandatory-for-panellists.html
It was in June 2011. So
“Please stop fooling people by putting wrong references.”
goes back to you.
Above is written by some panelist referring to speakasia’s business model and the link is removed from speakasiaonline.com afterwords.
This is not a single complain about the same matter as you can see in the comment section.
Any way what I want is some speakasian to explain their business model here or publish on speakasia’s blog. So we can understand if speakasia has any real product or service.
Speakasia was selling survey panel, PINs or subscription of e-zine?
If subscription then why you need to buy panels and how many?
[ Why do I need to fight or become a legal party against Speak Asia, that’s the authorities job] – Oz.
Yeah, only the concerns authorities must be hold this issue, that’s the secret behind this blog; How the New Zeeland’s Private Citizens is really interested to fight 24/7 on self moderated blogs, while the major subject is on Indian panellist interest (Money’s issues).
From the beginning only MDT is doing this work & After reading your all earlier clarification we believe that you are also be in the right place towards MDT families as each & every time your influence turn away in the direction of challenger echelon.
If you become a legal party after that you will be the best adversary.
and family.
This means though you have bought more panels you can’t redeem more RP’s in cash than your referral income. You have to buy products from speakasia (only product at that time was subscription to e-zine).
Speakasia is a ponzy scheme because it has no real product or viable service. They are only selling membership to people and who joined earlier gets payment from who joins after them.
It is not like speakasia is earning from some other source or business and paying the panelists from that income.
@viniben
Uh, what portals were these? Speak Asia never implemented their supposed product based business model.
@anju
The CBI stress it can take a year for them to conduct their own investigation.
It’s a criminal investigation that is currently open and ongoing. If anyone needs to be arrested in connection with the assets I’m sure they will be.
…oh I dunno, maybe because of the way information on the internet works? Honestly anju, please engage your brain before typing.
Because it’s largely irrelevant. The banks won’t touch Speak Asia till the criminal matters are sorted.
Furthermore to date the Supreme Court has only ordered the creation of the Lahoti Committee, which was to ‘explore the possibility of an amicable resolution between the dispute between panelists and Speak Asia. They haven’t addressed the issue of business operations yet as far as we know?
1. The money is not in India, Harendar Kaur transferred out what she could instead of paying panelists when she got her injunction. The money is gone.
2. The RBI have categorically stated they never instructed any bank not to do business with Speak Asia.
Then why didn’t they when Harendar Kaur had the chance to? Instead she ran away with the money.
Blind speculation on your part. The EOW rocked up, said they were busy and that was it. What Lahoti will make of that only Lahoti knows.
Because ‘your problem’ is irrelevant in the face of bringing those responsible for running the largest ponzi scheme in India to justice. Catching and succesfully prosecuting the criminals running this scam is the best chance you’ve got.
When they’re done investigating, sure.
Of course you wouldn’t think it was important to firmly establish whether or not the company is a ponzi scheme or not.
Regarding the whole 1 person filling out more than one survey issue, hello – what are subpanels about?
One person is running around with 1 main panel account and nine (was it?) sub-panels?
That’s 10 responses from 1 person!
That’s what I am asking to these speakasians. Suppose I want to invest 10 lacks, How can I? By purchasing subscription 90 times?
So many panelists actually have invested lacks (of INR) as you can see in comment section.
As far as I know the ones that have invested huge sums of money were running around with PINS (panelist accounts that hadn’t been activated) to offsell to new members they had to recruit.
Other then that the only other way to spend more than 11,000 rupees was to buy sub-panels, which was capped at 9.
Initially it was like 3 main panels and 27 sub panels. (I have posted the link before). And yes that was for a single person.
So which one is real product survey panel, PINs or subscription of e-zine?
thank god the money is not in india under the lock and key of the eow or cid. the company will now be able to pay it’s panelists because it moved swiftly and smartly [thanks phoenix legal]and transferred the money out.
don’t you understand fine print?
the rbi never directly said -dont do business with saol.
but the cautionary letter creates the same effect as a direct NO.
indian banks will not take on the rbi for saol unless some signal now comes from the supreme court.
When Harendar Kaur won her injunction, Speak Asia’s bank account(s) were unfrozen in India for a week or so. Why didn’t they just pay then when they had the chance?
Why did Speak Asia have to transfer the money over to Singapore and then run off with it?
That’s like saying me telling you murder is illegal is the same as stopping you from committing murder.
The RBI have categorically denied they stopped the banks from doing anything. They simply reminded them of the legalities of doing business with a company under criminal investigation. These legalities were in place before the RBI cautionary and would remain so even if the RBI retracted its cautionary.
I think you mean criminal investigations. The Supreme Court cannot guarantee the legal liability of doing business with Speak Asia whilst it’s under criminal investigation and the CID have frozen what’s left of their Indian based funds.
Seven rings members, ashok bahirwani, speakasians read this blog but no one has answers to above questions or explaining their business model
@Andy, mark my words…
The only answer you’ll get would be totally vague in nature and absurd. Their only answer would be to confuse you or you’ll get totally irritated by their stupid comments that you’ll feel better banging your head on the wall rather than asking them again.
@riyfkm
The speakasians who post here are cowards they will never answer these questions I know. So don’t worry.
This is where we are trying to educate people like you and chang who are coming here just for the sake of replying. The crux of the matter which I wanted to explain was that the payments were already under seizure due to the RBI Precautionary circular. But no you simply caught the word “August” in order to just reply. August was not a topic where I wanted your reply.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H87dWTT-xY4
See the business model for yourself Andy. The initial 20-30 minutes of video is enough for you to understand the business model. If you have the acumen for watching the whole 2 hour video then You would be much more equipped to understand the happenings right now.
That YouTube video is full of shit.
Here is Speak Asia’s business model – https://behindmlm.com/companies/speak-asia-online/speak-asia-online-review-combining-mlm-and-surveys/
And from Speak Asia’s website itself:
– http://www.speakasiaonline.com/BinaryIncome1.html
– http://www.speakasiaonline.com/BinaryIncome2.html
(note Speak Asia attempted to cover up their scam by removing any public links to the above information, despite the fact it was their advertised business model for close to a year)
The above Speak Asia links do’t include $7/$20 survey payouts but contains the binary and recruitment commissions – which is where the bulk of money was made (ponzi scheme).
The link to my review contains the complete business model and compensation plan (as it was until Speak Asia ceased operations).
Do you think implementation of product base model can be done overnight. It was announced first in TBM in february and a glimpse of how it will actually look like was shown in Genx in May 2011.
So your ranting of this was never implemented is not acceptable to me.
What is your expected time frame to launch a full second phase of business all over India with all government registrations? Based on your logics (and facts and assumptions of CHANG) Only three days I suppose!!!
No OZ, please be logical, there was no reasonable time available with company to fully operationalise the system.
Again I will repeat don’t just comment for the sake of commenting.
That’s where I pity your understanding. Half cooked knowledge is pretty dangerous.
See One person could buy One Main Panel and Nine Sub-panels. This meant that he has to fill 10 different surveys and not the same survey 10 times. In other words company used to send 20 surveys per week for panelists’ responses. (2 surveys for Main panels and 18 Different Surveys for 9 Sub-panels)
Every panelist would receive surveys in his account according to no. of panels/Sub-panels/Ezines he/she had subscribed to.
Please digest this much information first as I am available to clear yours and my misconceptions about the business Model now.
I hope you have got your responses Andy. Now I am eagerly awaiting your reply.
Irrelevant. All that matters is it wasn’t implemented.
Sorry what? Speak Asia sent each panelist account a different survey?
They sent the same survey out twice a week to each and every panelist/sub-panelist account.
That’s 10 copies of the same survey filled in by the same person, which means the survey results are useless as one person is equal to 10 respondents.
That’s where you are caught on the wrong foot. The maximum survey single panelist could participate is the numbers of panels he/she acquired. Every Panels and every sub panel had different individual surveys and not copies of the same survey.
I never said that Speakasia sent seperate surveys to each panelist account. I only said that the surveys sent by company were like this
Main panel – Survey 1 & 2
Sub Panel 1 – Survey 3 & 4
Sub Panel 2 – Survey 5 & 6….
…..
….
Sub Panel 8 – Survey 17 & 18
Sub Panel 9 – Survey 19 & 20.
Do you need any proof for this??
Oz..Kindly delete the content appearing after this line. This is just a personal chat between oz and me.
(thank god I just wrote only a single para in my earlier comment I already have an idea of Your digestion power I suppose..OZ.. )
Sanjeev, Speak Asia was not making thousands of surveys.
Every panelist and sub-panel got the same survey. Stop making up bullshit.
Market research works on everybody getting the same survey. Unless Speak Asia were conducting 20 different surveys every week, your explanation is nonsense.
I know your angry… but really, just making up any old nonsense now?
It was not mentioned anywhere. The replay was you have to submit more PAN cards.
The circular RBI/2011-12/112 was dated July 15 2011 so your first statement is a lie. So either comment with proof or
more coming soon …
@Sanjeev Khanna
One thing I have forgot to mention in Gregorian calendar June comes before July.
Oz I am unable to understand if you still caught the things which I am trying to explain. Yes Indeed company conducted 20 surveys per week.
I am searching for some proofs from my archives, I’ll surely post them for your benefit. But please delete Andy’s comments which are only for commenting and are otherwise useless .
I’m not sure what proof you can provide.
But ask yourself who is buying multiple surveys on the same topic?
Furthermore the ridiculousness that Speak Asia can’t even provide one client at a rate of two per week, you’re now suggesting it was 20 per week…
Nothing suss.
To date, despite now what must be thousands of comments here – nobody has brought this up.
I have watched the video you have given. 🙂 After all I have requested it.
The first thing you need for speakasia’s model to work is manufacturer and their product. No manufacturer will use any data not reviewed on particular product. That’s why it is called as precision marketing.
The survey performed should be customized for every group of panelists. According to age, location, occupation, ….., etc. If you will send same survey to every age group containing engineer, farmer, housewives, student,…….,etc. What will be the outcome? Not a precision marketing. Isn’t it? As far as I know the survey supplied by speakasia was not meeting any of these criteria.
There is a theoretical limit on how many responses is enough for any questionnaire or survey to be effective. Say 5000 no. of people filling a survey is enough, after that how many responses you add 1, 10 or 1 billion it is useless. It will not change the end result. So, why any manufacturer will waste his money?
Advertisement was there in speakasia’s business model. I currently have no much information about online advertisement so my opinion is 50/50. One thing I must ask: is there any advertiser is associated with speakasia and displayed their ads on speakasia?
Purchasing products from speakasia: really how many of you will buy YUG products from pizza parlor?
How can you buy panels if speakasia is selling subscription of e-zine?
Do you really think the business world works on surveys? Because from your statement it appears that company has to send survey according to the number of panels someone have bought. That doesn’t match with the purpose of the surveys. (Better check your statement before you post it) By your statement company has to come up with at least 20 surveys per week any how because so many panelists have purchased 1+9 panels.
And my questions remained unanswered: So which one is real product survey panel, PINs or subscription of e-zine? If anyone can answer it correctly than I am sure speakasia will resume its business in India.
Andy We are talking here of May 23rd Circular and Not July 15th. Again you have given wrong reference on wrong post
@Sanjeev Khanna
Your earlier comment
So you agreed that the payments were not coming? It seems so.
And I have given both date
Either you are not following right or you are lying.
Please go over http://www.rbi.org.in/scripts/BS_CircularIndexDisplay.aspx and check yourself.
Let’s celebrate upcoming 2012 together and then we will continue our debate because I am a panelist hence I know that there were twenty surveys per week.
I don’t know why people didn’t commented earlier on this topic . I am also surprised. Any how let me just search my Archives and we will surely help all our fellow readers.
In case I am wrong I would be the first one to admit it. That’s a guarantee from my side.
http://www.rbi.org.in/scripts/BS_CircularIndexDisplay.aspx?Id=6427
Where is it?
@Andy
May 23rd is correct date for the RBI circular. I have seen references to statements from RBI earlier in this case.
“Our circular dated 23. May is only a general warning …” and similar statements. They haven’t “banned” a specific company, but they have warned the banks against doing payment services for companies under criminal investigation, in general.
This will effectively stop any Indian bank from transferring money to or from Speak Asia’s accounts.
@Sanjeev
What do you mean in case you are wrong?
Since March you are the first and only person on here to mention Speak Asia were pumping out 20 unique surveys a week.
Surely if this is the case another panelist with 9 sub-panels and 1 panelist account can confirm your assertion with proof.
I’m not ruling it out, just surprised nobody has mentioned it before as we’ve brought up the inaccuracy of having 10 replies from the one person many times before.
Of course even if true, there’s still the little problem that the there’s no recorded survey income revenue wise and that signed confession from Khandor stating he was paid to make up the surveys from Wikipedia and free article directories.
Also the daft proposition that there were 20 companies a week buying surveys from Speak Asia when not one of them has come forward to support the company nor has the company itself named one that didn’t turn out to be lies.
@M_Norway
@Oz
I expressed it a little “clumsy”.
Bank laws prohibit banks from different activities, and this includes some rules that applies to companies under criminal investigation.
As far as I remember, Speak Asia asked for a withdrawal of something from RBI that prevented them from bank transactions.
* RBI sent a reply stating they hadn’t prohibited the banks from anything. The closest they could find was a general warning from May 23, but that was only a standard circular.
Speak Asia needs to be clear of criminal charges before they can do any bank transactions, according to Bank Laws. RBI can’t interfere and “allow them” to do any transactions, and they can’t prevent them from doing transactions, either.
Each and every bank must handle the question themselves, within the laws that applies to banking.
The Supreme Court can make a judgment, I’ll guess, like separating some money issues from the criminal charges and thus allowing something.
A panelist put in a freedom of information request to the RBI stating that bank transactions from known Speak Asia bank accounts in Singapore were blocked by his local bank.
The RBI said they never advised anyone not to do business with Speak Asia explicitly.
Who takes on the financial liability in the event Speak Asia are later found guilty of criminal offences?
The RTI application to RBI was given by a panelist Swapnil and about freezing bank acount you can check The economic times of 31 may.
I didn’t post that. I believe Brazilian did, but the facts don’t change whether you calculate daily, weekly, monthly, or yearly.
I’m sorry, are you saying that because smart people joined, it cannot be scam? Because if so, I want to tell you about Stephen Greenspan, who is a professor who specialized in gullibility. And he was one of Madoff’s Ponzi scheme victims. So even the smartest people gets tricked.
yes, it’s true, but the question is, again, does SpeakAsia have ANY real survey clients? And to date, it has no yet proved it has any. All we have is Manoj Kumar who keep insisting they have clients but the list is a secret. And I already explained why that is bogus logic and I won’t do it again.
They would spend such money to create positive image of themselves IF they think they can get thousands of crores. And they DID get such. Only CID/EOW prevented majority of the money from leaving India.
I had a main panel and ten sub panels and all got the same two surveys each week in all the ten panels. I have printed the surveys online as a precautionary measure and have them as proof.
Speak Asia were supposed to send out two e-zines each week to support the surveys for each week. Speak Asia started its online survey business by posting online its first e-zine on 17.02.2010.
Till 12.05.2011 there are 64 weeks. Hence @ two surveys a week it should have posting online 128 e-zines. However only 72 e-zines were posting online. I have printed the list of 72 e-zines online.
After the media exposure on 12.05.2011 that the survey scheme had no clients Speak Asia claimed that it was selling e-zines and thereafter it started posting online two e-zines each week till the website was shut down.
If SpeakAsia was indeed a survey company, then why after investigations began they changed their webpage from Asia’s biggest survey company to consumer empowerment.
It means they were not doing any surveys.
Before investigation the faq stated dollars to earn, and that changed to reward points.
If this is not cheating then what is it?
@Sameer
It’s pretending you had a product based business model all along and hoping nobody notices.
@Navniit
That’s what I figured. Nobody has mentioned anything about 20 unique surveys since March so Sanjeev’s claims are highly suss.
2 e-zines a week, copied from Wikipedia and free article directories which correspond with 2 fake surveys doctored up by Khandor (EOW has a signed confession stating as much).
@ Sanjeev
Stop Bull*******..Sanjeev..are you really out of your mind.. 20 Surveys per week..Do you think that SAOL was the only medium left for all the Corporates of the World to Advertise or get surveys done for..
do you realize that means there were 960 Surveys in a year..i.e. 960 Companies were paying Speak Asia for these Stupid non nonsensical surveys..Walah..where did you pull this one out from…Oz/Chang/Norway ..here you go..
Anju has now got a partner ..same ranting,same theories,same blind faith and same Jai Speak Asia bull****..
Where are these guys brains???.. why do they keep on ranting and playing the same old broken record again and again in new ways..nahh..no reasonable explanations..
maybe Saol conjured some miracle faith medicine and fed it to these guys to brain wash them to morons..phooh..the logic goes out of the window here…
Each one of them here knows the fact and reality better (inside) about the surveys! What is the purpose of surveys for this company? Why unnecessarily you people are fighting again and again, chewing the same chewing-gum from so many months.. Won’t you taste it bad..! Spit it..! Come on.. leave it guys, let’s stop fighting in this newyear and start focusing on your work, rest of the things will happen & gets finished itself in SpeakAsia’s case.. Its a matter of time now, I feel it’s useless to discuss further regarding SpeakAsia and moreover no need to fight at this point of time about anything, already more than enough – discussed more lightly and more strongly, now let’s EOW, RBI, High Court & Supreme Court decides what to do regarding this SpeakAsia? One thing I want to tell everyone here – whatever the outcome from judicial verdict – we need to accept the things and we should not give comment or criticize more on that issue. If a person won’t accept the verdict then he will be not a law abiding person and that person will be thrown away by majority.
@Nithya Ritesh
Have you seen latest update from Bahirwani? These people are still shouting that people doesn’t understand speakasia’s business model. I want to know which one is the real product from speakasia. I have posted my view on the business model as from the speakasia press conference. You can see all the info from my previous post.
@Mr Y
I totally agree with you.
from my previous post: (@Sanjeev Khanna)
Do you really think the business world works on surveys? Because from your statement it appears that company has to send survey according to the number of panels someone have bought. That doesn’t match with the purpose of the surveys. (Better check your statement before you post it) By your statement company has to come up with at least 20 surveys per week any how because so many panelists have purchased 1+9 panels.
And my questions remained unanswered: So which one is real product survey panel, PINs or subscription of e-zine? If anyone can answer it correctly than I am sure speakasia will resume its business in India.
@Ritesh — it is amazing how much “double-speak” is there among SpeakAsians. They don’t realize their own explanations makes no sense. They have been fooled by “buzzwords” like “consumer empowerment”.
In a survey business, there is a clear transaction. The survey company acts as middleman, and there are clear things bought and traded for.
* Surveyer pay $$$ to “panelists”
* Panelists gives opinion (of whatever) to surveyer
Then survey collates the filters the data and give it to whoever requested the survey. This is also clear:
* Company (who chartered the survey) pay $$$ to surveyer
* Surveyer delivers collated results to company.
Common logic would indicate that “subpanels” makes absolutely no sense if they get identical questions as the main panel. Why would you get the opinion from the same person 9 more times? That person only has ONE opinion. WHY should his opinion be “worth more” (counts more than once) and thus, get paid more, than someone who did not register subpanels? And Kkhosla confirmed that they are the SAME surveys.
If you register subpanels in a different area, like maybe your primary area is in computers, and secondary area is in household items, that would make sense, as the company can just send you surveys tailored to each area, but that is NOT the case here. EVERYBODY gets the same surveys, EVERY subpanel.
That is NOT how surveys are done. Surveys are done to very specific demographic profile. For example, if a new type of kitchen utensil is to be launched toward housewives, then there is no point in give these surveys to husbands, is there? Or asking a poor person opinion on a Mercedez Benz? Or ask a male about feminine hygiene products?
Thus, the surveys made by SpeakAsia are pale imitations of real surveys that looks okay, but in reality, would never have been chartered by any real company. A survey made of just any random people in the street would be far more useful than SpeakAsian surveys. At least you know that person won’t be surveyed up to 9 more times.
ADD this logic to the fact that Manoj Kumar himself admitted that his company falsely claimed to have clients such as ICICI and Tata, and you can conclude that his claim of actually having clients, but their names must remain secret, to be completely bogus.
So why do some people insist on somehow believing that Manoj Kumar’s words actually make sense to them, when logically they don’t add up?
Subscription of Ezine entitled you to acquire One Main Panel Free of Cost and PINs were bought using the RPs generated by filling surveys by the main panel.
It was as if redeeming the points you earned by using your credit/debit cards. Earn And Burn Points was the rule.
@ Sanjeev,
I need some clarification…………………Please try to answer them….
1) When you say precision marketing, I need to clarify some doubts
With a sample survey of just 20 Lakh IDs how could we say that its relevant. This is not even 0.2% of India.
And do you think any idiotic company would pay 100 Crore for this sample?
If I am a FMCG company, imagine the volume I’ll have to sell to recover this money. Definately I cannot target 20 L people for recovering the same. Now don’t say that company was planning to expand to 1 crore membership base.
In that case, the survey would have to be sold for 500 Crore each. It becomes more impossible to recover that money.
Besides in the video the guy is talking about online survey vs random physical survey. Let me tell you, among speakasians , we have many people who don’t even know how to type proper english, how could we expect them to fill out correct survey?
And speakasia has been recruiting people left, right without any screening/filteration, so how could they talk about precision marketing?
Any tom, dick and harry was filling out the surveys. No scientific methods were there to filter them. And even if you filter them, the sample size becomes even more small and company won’t pay 100 crore for that.
Now say for eg, I don’t know anything about microwave, and still I fill out the survey on microwave and get my money. And to imagine there is a company which is paying me Rs 500 for the same? Lol.
Also there is no proof that a panelist purchasing multiple panels/sub panels, is ensuring that different people are filling the surveys. Since many joined SOAL purely for the money, there is every chance that same person is filling multiple survey. And you expect us to believe companies are paying 100 crore for this?
I see many speakasians are not well off. Infact many are struggling now after taking loan of few thousands to few lakhs. So definately companies selling high end products won’t be interested in their opinion. only FMCGs would be interested and they definately cannot affort 100 crore for a sample size of less than 20 Lakhs (God knows how many of them would be actually relevant)
2) Comming to second argument: Company was getting into product.
They got some cheap chinese stuff and branded them Yug, stated they are German products. Before getting into this detail, I want to know some more info
They stated that a company could do survey, advt and product selling with Speakasia. (Till now only cheap chinese stuff were introduced, never actually sold).
Now if a company does survey and pays 100 crore, then to recover that money, it’ll have to sell that much products to the panelist to recovery just the survey money and break free. How is it possible (Not all 20 Lakh would be buying it). Any company with little business sense would never do it.
3) Finally, I would like to say on this: Many panelist state that company was into surveys initially to make money and then was supposed to diversify into products & other business. Well in this case, the more time company spends in surveys the more amount it’ll owe to its panelist.
Right now the income is anywhere around 2000 Crore and 30000 crore as pending in terms of RP. Even if we take figures till May 2011, the amount owed would’ve been 2400 crore. And by the time the product launch happens, the amount due would’ve been huge, to recover it, will take huge time and investments from their share holders. So company would’ve had to sell products and final balance sheets would be in Red.
So based on the above points, I could see that Speakasian’s business model is unviable, hence they ran off at the right time and fooling panelists since then.
@ Chang, Andy, Mr. Y.,
Why Again & Again..!
It is clearly understood that surveys are useless, waste – well, i can’t understand what we are going to do by talking that and making others to understand, these so called panelists were telling beyond surveys there were so much of things.
Even once that popular lawyer Mr. Ashok Saraogi who quits SpeakAsia has told in a press conference that SpeakAsia can stop its surveys at anytime, what does it mean?
It means survey is not their main business, of course accepted as some of the SpeakAsia panelists saying there were several phases in its business model, they are still in its first phase of business model..
If surveys were not their main business then what else? Is it products, which will be coming only in second phase of the business model, right? ok let’s wait and see what business model is with them, i hope we’ll get a clear picture from the higher court of our land very soon which will clear all doubts and at that time.
All people have to accept the final verdict, even now many feels Supreme Court is not taking any responsibility to tell whether the business model of this company is legal or not?
Another tells, Supreme Court is not responsible for intervening the criminal cases against the company, And also adds until the criminal cases against the company won’t gets complete there’ll be no payouts to anyone, I will tell finally, Supreme Court has responsibility in all matters since each and every matter is interconnected with one another.
No one can bring solution without avoiding even a single matter in this, so the final verdict has to come from Supreme Court very soon and EOW should work in fast track method to finish the case otherwise these people will start to tell EOW is the main culprit who wants to stop SpeakAsia from functioning.
That seems to be only true until it competes all its investigations against the company as early as possible. Already i think more than 7 months has gone.. Not even a single chargesheet against the company has been submitted in any higher court except bits and bits of information in different newspaper daily against the company by EOW then and there from the past 7 months.
Still case is not in either side, it is 50-50 until EOW finishes its investigations and most importantly submit that report (final report) in higher court of the land (even to Lahoti Committee) is very important and crucial to end the case earlier.
Please avoid chewing the same matters again and again, really its boring and useless..
Sanjeev can you answer this
If SpeakAsia was indeed a survey company, then why after investigations began they changed their webpage from Asia’s biggest survey company to consumer empowerment.
Before investigation the faq stated dollars to earn, and that changed to reward points.
Now answer these questions as why these things changed.
Because they were about to start the next phase of Operations where in survey filling would become just a part of their whole operations. Since Product selling and Ad based surveys were next on the list hence the tagline was changed.
Difficult questions. But I will reply soon..
LOL. So the in the next phase SpeakAsia who were Asia’s biggest survey company lost all their survey customers overnight and lost their biggest survey company status.
And this change happened once media reported and investigations began. And also you did not answer why $ changed to reward points overnight? This was also their next phase or what. Lol.
And why is it that SpeakAsia is not conducting surveys anywhere else?, since they were Asia’s biggest survey company and should have been working in other Asian coumtries?
My sponsor and my upline members came explained to me that Speak Asia had only one business and that was conducting surveys for Corporates in India and those overseas looking to enter India. It was touted as the biggest survey company in Asia. The e-zine was supposed to help in answering the surveys though not necessary. If have not eaten chicken and have to describe its taste in a survey then the e-zine is useless. E-zines were to assist in this filling of surveys if required.
An e-zine can not tell you the taste of a chicken tandoori or chicken butter masala. Either you have eaten and know the taste or else you can not describe it. E-zine could help you organize your thoughts only.
Speak Asia started its online survey business by posting online its first e-zine on 17.02.2010 – “What are online surveys”. It was posted at 2:46:13 AM. I assume that a survey must have been sent after this posting.
Between 17.02.2010 and 12.05.2011 is 64 weeks. Two e-zines a week means that 128 e-zines had to be sent. Only 72 e-zines were sent. Nobody protested because filling the surveys online was the professed business. Payment was made for filling the surveys and not reading e-zines.
Of course inducting new investors was also a profitable business. I never brought in any investor / panelist as I wanted to recover my investment and only then recommend it to any body else. I never thought it was a phony business till 12.05.2011. Then I realized that no more payments would be made by Speak Asia and it would slowly wither away in a plethora of litigation and disappearing / missing management, etc. We are seeing the finale now. The media exposure on 12.05.2011 has done them in!
EOW has arrested Ritesh Pal’s father from Nagpur and are presenting him in holiday court tomorrow.
Ritesh Pal owns speakindiaonline.com and was a franchisee of speakasia, this is what is being reported. But on these very pages i had read he is also a relative of Ram Pal.
On October 5, 2011 anju agarwal had reported under your topic ‘Who paid $3.8 MILLION USD per SpeakAsia Survey?!’:
“speakasia was started by ritesh pal a relative of ram pal”.
Giving this unsolicited information shows anju and her father Ashok Bahirwani’s deep connection with the masterminds Pal brothers.`
Observer
Anju did post that but below that statement on same page she clarified that it was her mistake and it was not speakasia which Ritesh Pal started but SpeakIndiaOnline.com and which is a franchisee of SpeakAsia.
@Observer
Anju corrected the statement on October 7, 2011:
Correction noted. It appears that Ritesh Pal is a keen follower of rival BEHIND MLM and probably he told Anju to correct the disastrous mistake which would have put him in the most risky inner circle of Pal brothers. It took 2 days to post the correction, implying that the correction was brought to the notice of anju by the affected person.
The important points to note are:
1. Ritesh Pal is close relative of SAOL mastermind Ram Pal.
2. Speakindiaonline.com website was set up by Ritesh Pal primarily to promote SAOL’s interests.
3. Anju Bahirwani is fully aware of mastermind Pal brothers’ role and acting under their instructions. Accordingly, she tries to misguide the readers of BEHIND MLM by throwing in the red herring “saol is the idea of haren and manoj. they thank you for the credit due to them”.
4. EOW is likely to catch up with SAOL’s acting CEO Bahirwani and mastermind Pal brothers very soon.
Jai speakasia! Ha ha ha 🙂
CID additional DG S.V. Ramana Murthy labels Speak Asia a
These are the same agencies AISPA and panelists are running around telling everyone have given Speak Asia a ‘clean chit’.
Well there is something fishy about Ashok Bahirwani’s realtion with SpeakAsia. Because if reports are true that he joined after 12th May when media reported the scam of speakasia having no clients, then how does he know that surveys are not fake.
When Mateen Hafeez of TOI quoted the EOW’s comissioners statement where he said that Nayan Khandoor local guy made the fake surveys, immediately following this Bahirwani came out with his update that no surveys are fake and blah blah blah.
The question is how can a person who joined speakasia after the survey fraud was reported comes to know this is not a fraud or fake?
Ashok Bahirwani’s facebook profile shows he has studied in Nagpur, meaning he has spent considerable time in Nagpur in his younger days.
Its a coincidence something that Ritesh Pal is from Nagpur?. Does Bahirwani know the Pals from a long time?
Let’s not forget that Manoj Kumar himself only claims to have joined Speak Asia as CEO in mid May 2011…
They more they lie, the less consistent they are, and the more lies they have to spin to cover up earlier lies.
This “consumer empowerment” business model is clearly a lie designed to cover up their earlier lie about being a survey company. it’s an “obfuscation” attempt.
I wonder whose idea it was to, as Sanjeev and others have repeatedly asked, fight it out? Was Kumar a ringleader who decided to show his face and give more time for Harendar Kaur and whoever’s behind her to get money out of India? Or was he merely someone who got “selected” to be a sacrificial lamb?
As EOW stated, this is a conspiracy to commit fraud on a MASSIVE scale, not just in number of victims and dollar amount, but the number of alleged perpetrators as well. Many of the so-called “apex panelists” are clearly “in” on the conspiracy, and as suspected, may even be the mastermind. The question is… which ones?
I believe the guys from Italy are the real “masterminds” here? But they have also included “local forces” at an early stage.
Manoj Kumar’s MLM-history goes back to late 1980-ies or early 1990-ies. I believe he must have a higher rank than some of the others. He also had an organization ready, and I believe he was the original connection with Italy, through sales of software. As far as I remember the money collecting was organized through some of Manoj Kumar’s companies?
I believe most of the 130 franchisees was recruited through Sevenrings in 2007-2009, but I’ll guess they have been involved in other schemes before 2007.
It’s easy to identify some of the possible solutions here, but I’m not familiar with the local situation in India. They have some “family-relations”, “from the same village relations” and other relations that makes it more difficult.
Manoj Kumar seems to have a lot of the connections needed, since his company delivered software to most MLM-schemes.
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Identifying a chain of command have been part of my job, but it’s easier when you see people in their right environment, like where in a building their office is located, where they sit at a table, and so on and so forth.
I guess the real question is… How did the folks in Italy hook up with the folks in India?
Did the folks in Italy simply decided to hire some software freelancers in India to do some MLM Website scripts, and Manoj Kumar and the rest, upon seeing the opportunity, decided to make themselves partners?
If so, how did the idea move to Brazil?
@K. Chang
I analysed the different roles some weeks ago, trying to identify the “top of the foodchain”, using the link in “Manoj Kumar investing in Brazil”:
* LanBit provided solutions for MLM etc. in Europe and the Middle East, from 1999. Here’s the connection to Italy and other countries in Europe.
* “starting two successful Multi Level Marketing companies Sevenrings International in 2007”. He may be on top of the foodchain, both in Italy and in India. “Two MLM companies …” may mean “in Italy and India”.
We maybe should see it from a different angle?
* The guys from Italy are following his ideas, not the other way around?
* And they have added some of their connections to this, like the local connection in Brazil?
The Pal brothers seems to be more “local leaders” than international leaders.
Just remember that the “official Mister Colibri representant in Brazil”, is a company owned by an Italian man
Its strange, Ritesh Pal was one of the few first franchisee of SpeakAsia and he was also one of the few first franchisee of Admatrix, both involved in money chain scam.
That means this guy gets involved in noney chain scams first and earns bulk of the money, the more he or his downline recruits the more money he makes.
I have just downloaded a pdf which appeared in english newspaper and kept on the following site
http://speakasia-online.webs.com
And it shows details of owners and founders of speakasia. The document is with photographs of Ram Sumiran Pal. And it says founder of SpeakAsia Ram Sumiran Pal and Director Haren Kaur.
It means company was started by Ram Sumiran Pal and Haren Kaur was taken to make it look like a Singapore company owned by a singapore national.
I reached this news article in pdf format by searching google with keywords, ram sumiran pal speakasia
Check the document and you will know who the founder is.
Anju’s statement is a lie that speakasia is a vision of Haren Kaur and Manoj Kumar and that pdf shows with photograph who the founder is and whose brainchild speakasia is.
Oz has published that photograph but i never knews it has officially came in printed news in India.
Also they mentioned that they had already got survey orders from MetLife and Merico Group .
Here’s some additional info, indicating Manoj Kumar to be in a centralized position.
This information was picked up by following a link in one of the articles here, leading to an online “newspaper” story, describing how the money was collected and laundered. Among the statements in the story was that one of the “money collectors” was a retired guard working in one of Manoj Kumar’s companies.
Money is usually passed upwards in a foodchain
* from panelist to lower leader
* from lower leader to district leader
* from district leader to central leader
* from central leader to “???”
“???” may be an international leader, or the money may have been distributed directly to various bank accounts, in India and in other countries.
“Who collects money from who?” will usually tell something about their individual places in a foodchain.
The “short notes” was when I tried to get updated on parts of the story that I was missing. I haven’t been active in the topic “SpeakAsia” before early November.
@Sameer
I found the PDF. It’s located under “Documents” in the menu. I managed to download the PDF the first time, and store it on my computer. The second time I tried it was only possible to view the PDF (through a built-in PDF-viewer on the site).
Ram Sumiran Pal is described as “Founder Member”
Pankaj L. Shah is described as “India Coordinator”
Most of us believe Harendar Kaur is only a frontfigure. I believe Ram Sumiran Pal also have the same role, but he’s also an apex panelist and franchisee. It’s called “caporegime”, where the top leader(s) will not be directly involved in anything.
Caporegime is organized something like this:
– – – – – – – BOSS (CAPO)
Sub-Boss …. Sub-Boss …. Sub-Boss
Caporegime .. Caporegime .. Caporegime
Soldiers …… Soldiers …… Soldiers
Members …… Members …… Members
Just for those who are not familiar with the term “carporegime”, it’s the Italian Mafia, aka La Cosa Nostra.
Not sure what happened at the bail hearing yesterday, but I presume due to the lack of ‘OMG, SEE WE’RE INNOCENT PAL GOT BAIL!’ announcements, that Ritesh Pal’s dad was denied bail (?).
Just to add some other information to the Ram family of information, I recently received legal threats from Satish Pal demanding I remove any and all references to him on this site. I mistakingly named him as brother of Ram Sumiran Pal (Ram Niwas Pal is the brother), when Satish is apparently just their friend.
Satish claims that by naming him as brother of Ram Sumiran Pal, that this makes him look like a ‘criminal, scamster (and) fraudster‘.
Satish does admit to working for Seven Rings, denied having worked with Manoj Kumar (Seven Rings management) and claims to never have had anything to do with Speak Asia or AdMatrix.
Personally I think there’s one too many Pals in this recipe. I wonder if Satish is connected to Ritesh in any way. Hopefully the EOW can sort it out. The timing of Satish’s legal threats to be removed from this site is strangely co-incidental to the Ritesh Pal arrest… and surely if Satish wasn’t implicated, the EOW would have the means to quickly establish that.
I’m not saying he is, but as it stands now what’s written here about Satish being at the very least acquainted with Ram Sumiran Pal through Seven Rings is accurate.
On the other hand, if Satish has nothing to do with any of this – then what’s he stressing out about?
Also Satish named the owners of Seven Rings India (the training scam) as ‘Elia De Prisco and
Corrado Lantieri‘, the same guys involved (running) Mister Colibri.
Lantieri has a whole bunch of associations that sound familiar (WiMax, Our Free Phone) and now he’s a Director at Mister Colibri.
Facebook has Lantieri based in Italy still, but here’s a photo album placing him at one point in India with De Prisco.
Seems quite small and intimate and less pompous than some of the later videos on Youtube with flowers and cheerleading squads, so perhaps it’s an earlier visit before Seven Rings took off in India.
Some more research re. Seven Rings:
Seven Rings was registered in England for roughly 9 months back in 2007 before being dissolved.
Seven Rings also list Tulsient (Manoj Kumar’s company) as an Indian office address in Delhi:
With Seven Rings owning Mister Colibri – this further proves Kumar is full of shit when he says he has nothing to do with the company.
Here’s Seven Rings office addresses lifted from a business presentation.
Manoj Kumar is allegedly hiding out in Dubai, UAE… business operations there as part of Seven Rings would perfectly explain why.
Here’s the management structure listed by Seven Rings of what I believe was their Indian operations at the time. Note the absense of Manoj Kumar.
Not sure if this means he deliberately chose to be left off, wasn’t working in a management capacity at the time or simply hadn’t joined Seven Rings yet (we’re talking 2007 or so).
And finally, a holding company for Mister Colibri is apperently registered in Ras Al Khaimah in the UAE (surprise surprise, another UAE link…), on the 27th June 2011, according to a certificate of registration circulated by Mister Colibri members.
Interestingly enough, a search across the whole of the UAE business directory reveals nothing for ‘Mister Colibri’ or ‘Mister Colibri Holdings’.
One can only wonder what Mister Colibri and Seven Rings needs a holdings company for, given that:
Sounds like a nice way to launder money around the world via Seven Rings various business interests (although where Podium Ring International fits into this I have no idea).
Now they are showing a new certificate in their website, this time, from Cardiff, Wales http://mistercolibri.com/images/CertofIncorp.png
Uk WebCheck:
So why does Mister Colibri, a company operating in Brazil being run by Seven Rings International who are based in Italy (or the UAE), need to be registered in the United Kingdom?
Is the UK to Mister Colibri what Singapore is to Speak Asia? All they need now is a UK national pretending to be Mister Colibri’s ‘global CEO’.
And why is Mister Colibri Holdings allegedly registered in Ras Al Khaimah?
Dodgy dodgy dodgy…
Here’s the Google street view for that address:
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Hilarious. The business at that address is ‘Online Company Services’ (onlinecompanyservices.co.uk), whose services include
and the ability to
Hello money laundering!
Basically, Mister Colibri have a rented virtual office in the UK and base their international company registration on said virtual office.
Lol… I hope someone is passing this along to the Brazillian authorities, and if they won’t listen then to the media.
@ M_Norway
Ram Sumiran Pal is described as “Founder Member”
Pankaj L. Shah is described as “India Coordinator”
Pankaj L. Shah is Director of Direct Marketing Association: India (Manoj Kumar’s biodata claims as Manoj being Founder of Direct Marketing Association). Probably brought in by Manoj Kumar, Pankaj was acting as local CEO of SAOL during May – October, 2010. He resigned in October 2010 as he felt that SAOL bubble was about to burst.
mister colibri is not working anymore..
there is 1 week the side does not display any videos..
the site has about 4 or 5 links broken inside the main menu..
the site ask you to upgrade your plan even if you have the expensive one..
the site does not let you to change your personal informations..
the site does not send to your phone the code to validate the transfer to the bank account..
etc etc
Can anyone else from Brazil confirm Mister Colibri is not working anymore?
Kinda strange it goes down a short time after Manoj Kumar is exposed in the mainstream media and the EOW announce they are officially investigating the Mister Colibri –> Speak Asia –> Seven Rings money laundering trail.
When you open Mister Colibri website, a popup appears, saying that they are having technical problems due to a migration to a more powerful server.
the note also says “it’s a side effect of our growing”
So, it’s time to remember He-Man:
This is strangely reminiscent of TVI Express “growth cycle” as well. In 2009 members are claiming TVI Express was registered in UK as “TVI Services”, even though THAT address is that of a company reg agent called Fletcher.
The listed UK address for TVI Express was found to be front door of a huge building, no particular room or floor, clearly another virtual office.
By August 2009 they claimed “rapid growth forced our relocation”, went offline for three months (only phone still worked), then suddenly re-emerged in an address in Uxbridge (though they claim to be in Heathrow), at an address supplied by Regus, the virtual office company.
TVI Services no longer existed in UK (expired in 2011) but the London phone number is still active, so it’s logical to assume it’s VOIP call forwarding to somewhere in India.
It seems all Indian scams run the same pattern, doesn’t it?