EOW confirm Bajpai on the run, move to cancel bail
“Tarak Bajpai has disappeared and we don’t know where he is.”
I am sure it cannot be an officer from the EOW (who said this), as they will not make such wrong comments.
Ashok Bahirwani, AISPA Secretary (currently on the run from the EOW)
Tarak Bajpai is in Mumbai under the gaze of the EOW. Nobody is running away, they’re fighting hard.
–Anju Argarwal, daughter of AISPA Secretary Ashok Bahirwani
The last we heard of Tarak Bajpai, he was hiding out in hospital and upon being discharged in October, had applied for anticipatory bail so that the EOW or anybody else couldn’t arrest him again and bring him in for questioning.
Upon hearing the case, a judge denied Bajpai anticipatory bail and instead released him on regular bail with the condition that he ‘furnish personal sureties from Mumbai, Thane and Panvel within eight weeks‘.
These personal sureties included reporting to ‘the investigating officer/office every week‘.
Shortly after Bajpai (photo right) was granted bail, the EOW stated that he had infact gone into hiding and they had no idea where he was.
Contrary to the reports of those involved with Speak Asia, such as Ashok Bahirwani and his daugher’s statements quoted above, the EOW today confirmed that Bajpai hasn’t been seen or heard from since he was granted bail.
With more than eight weeks passing since October, today the EOW has now ruled out the possibility of Bajpai surfacing and have been left with no other conclusion to draw other than the fact that Speak Asia’s COO Tarak Bajpai has, as they’d previously stated, dissappeared.
In a statement published by the TOI, the EOW claim that ‘Bajpai was avoiding cooperating with the police, and neither appeared before the investigators nor did he furnish the personal surety‘.
As a result, upon the failure of Bajpai to meet his bail conditions, the EOW have now ‘approached the court for the cancellation of (Bajpai’s) bail‘.
The cancellation of which would mean that Bajpai would, like Speak Asia’s CEOs Manoj Kumar and Harendar Kaur, become a certified fugitive on the run from the law.
Tarak Bajpai’s disappearance, no doubt aided by Speak Asia and their lawyers Phoenix Legal, can be explained by the possibility of his arrest and interrogation by the authorities.
The results of which would no doubt be disasterous for Speak Asia’s current legal efforts to legalize ponzi schemes in India.
Previously Bajpai had used medical excuses to get out of being interrogated but with that stalling tactic now unavailable, it appears Speak Asia and Bajpai are willing to do anything to keep him from being taken into custody by the authorities.
Even if that means ignoring bail conditions set upon Bajpai by the courts.
A far cry I’m sure you’ll agree from the official company statement released on December 4th, which asserted that Speak Asia
is totally committed to cooperating with the concerned authorities and therefore has not initiated any action that may be deemed as obstruction to the investigations.
Further highlighting the hollowness of this pledge is the accompanying news from the EOW that Rajeev Mehrotra, technical head of Speak Asia’s website who was also arrested along with Bajpai back in July, has also ‘disappeared and not attend(ed) court since‘ he was released on bail at the same time Bajpai was back in October.
Despite disappearing, failing to meet his bail conditions and assist the authorities with their investigations however, Mehrotra has still managed to find the time to get his lawyers (funded by Speak Asia?) to approach
the Supreme Court asking (them) to quash a FIR against him and challenge the cancellation of his anticipatory bail application by a Hyderabad court.
For some reason, despite his obvious involvement in the Speak Asia ponzi scheme and useful information Mehrotra would no doubt provide under interrogation by the authorities, ensuring that he is not arrested by them appears to be more important.
Quite the curious behaviour for the employee of a company who claim to be ‘totally committed to cooperating with the concerned authorities‘.
Not surprisingly, two others also arrested in July for their involvement in Speak Asia have also been confirmed as having disappeared.
Shaikh Rais Latif (32), assistant for daily portal operations and in-charge of regular pop-ups, and Ravi Janakraj Khanna (44), finance accountant, who were also arrested along with Bajpai, are also not attending the EOW office.
“We are planning to move the court for cancellation of their bail as well,” said the officer.
With all four of the July arrestees granted bail having been confirmed disappeared and on the run, including COO Tarak Bajpai as well as the company’s two CEO in hiding overseas, I’ll leave you with the following quote from Speak Asia’s Indian CEO, Manoj Kumar, released just last week in an anonymously uploaded YouTube video –
“our people simply vanished and run away”, there cannot be more stupid accusation than this.
Stupid or not – you tell me.
oz, des guys are just gr8..slowly and gradually im becoming fan of thm…how smart they are..after all this they are able to manage their investors to support thm.. superb guys… unbelievable….
@ oz
Finally no one is going to rise like the proverbial Phoenix from the Ashes…these SAOL Panelists are like that guy with wax wings flying towards the Sun..
so blind are they and so motivated with faith to reach the Sun that they cant even see that their wings are melting away and they are now in danger of falling back on Earth..
Tarak..Tarak..I knew he was on the Lam.. off course all those brilliant inspirational talk on those bull**** videos of him everything ..every small move was actually was conjured..
wow..maybe Bollywood should take inspiration and make a movie out of it.
At least Web site Login is now released. May be the actual operations are also allowed by the passage of time.
Oz,
Its strange, Supreme Court hearing date is near and SpeakAsia website started to work, i just logged into my relatives account and found its working,
Isnt it strange just ahead of the hearing the site starts to work? And they use to say server is with EOW and EOW had denied this.
The website is still based in Singapore, but apparently the EOW were given full access to it (along with the backend databases etc).
If people are able to login it could just be a temporary thing (like last time) or perhaps the EOW no longer have need to block off the database backend from the frontend of the site.
Without any official word from either Speak Asia or the EOW it could be anything really. I suppose if the EOW are actually done with it Speak Asia will update the website, it’s not like Manoj Kumar needs to be in India to access a Singapore based website – he can very well do that whilst on the run.
Here is the truth Oz. Did not i say these jai speakasia’s are hypocrites. Sanjeev is saying with passage of time actual operations should began.
Did not i say these guys are least bothered about payments, they want this illegal, illegimate pin selling and recruitment business should began and they should start minting money or looting money.
Anyway these fools have not read newspapers where EOW had said they had presented all facts to Lahoti commitee.
@Sameer
No, no, no – you have it wrong. All these franchisees and senior panelists joined Speak Asia the day before the investigations began and never made any money with the company.
At least that’s what the Phoenix Legal approved script says to tell the EOW if they bring you in for questioning…
On what base? Stop commenting for just sake of commenting.
@Oz
Have you observed that one of the three link I have posted here on speakasiaonline.com was removed after some days? I think speakasia’s operators will be still messing with the site. They are telling they are not doing this (changing the site content) and from your report we can easily see how much they are keeping their words.
@Andy
Which page specifically?
It’s pretty much standard now that I screen capture anything I reference from the Speak Asia website incase they pull it down later.
We all saw Manoj Kumar attempt to deny the ColibriMakeMoney site existed or ever contained photos of him because by the time he went to look at it the site had been pulled offline.
Without the screenshots we’d have Speak Asia management and senior panelists no doubt claiming the entire thing was just made up.
Oz.. It seems you will have to give EOW a lot of documentation as proof to help they nail down these impostors of “revolutionizing ” new Business model they offered as a boon to the poor Indian masses to make them rich beyond they dreams.
You should read these SAOL blogs everywhere.. they still Jai **** a lot.. LOLs
sabackoffice.speakasiaonline.com/login.aspx
This page was removed. A login page for admins where you can verify that speakasia was working in Bangladesh also.
My point is speakasia’s operators are changing the pages.
Can we know somehow at which time some page was updated?
“They” appear to have pulled the whole sabackoffice.speakasiaonline.com sub-domain offline.
edit: sabackoffice.speakasiaonline.com is still up, but they’ve removed the login page that mentioned Bangladesh.
I do remember it was working when you first published the link on the 9th of December, 2011 but seems to have been pulled sometime before the 23rd December, 2011 when you noticed it was gone.
I do remember seeing this sabackoffice login page so I can confirm something was there that now isn’t.
I guess here’s one way to test… Speak Asia make publicly available their frenchisee details via – http://www.speakasiaonline.com/viewFranchiseDetail.aspx?franid=01
If you want to see more franchisee details simply change ’01’ to ’02’, ’03’ and so on and so forth.
I believe there are 96 franchisees listed in total – http://www.speakasiaonline.com/viewFranchiseDetail.aspx?franid=96 being the last numbered URL that works.
Let’s see if this information dissappears too.
Something else I didn’t know, Seven Rings website is hosted on the same IP address as speakasiaonline.com @ 113.197.34.99 (private dedicated server, not shared hosting).
http://www.ip-adress.com/reverse_ip/sevenrings.net
I thought it was alleged Speak Asia was Harendar Kaur’s company, so what is Seven Rings doing on the same IP?
@Oz
And what does fancyfittings.com do there? 🙂
Finding sevenrings.net and speakasiaonline.com on the same server wasn’t actually a surprise.
I did note Fancy Fittings popping up (listing a Mumbai address no less), and it appears Athar Sheikh used to (or does still) work for design company Inhead.
No idea what the connection is (couldn’t see any), maybe Shieikh’s distant relative of someone in Seven Rings who wanted to use their hosting?
I have been just served a copy letter sent by Advocates Abdi & Co. dated 05.01.2012 to the Registrar, High Court (A.S.), Bombay requesting that they are mentioning Criminal Writ Petition No. 3611 of 2011 on 06.01.2012 at 11.00 am before the Hon’ble Bench for grant of reliefs as prayed therein.
I have been served in advance as I have been made a party on the directions of the Hon’ble High Court.
Wonder what the cause of urgency is?
Writ 3611 is the Melvin Crasto (Ashok Bahirwani) petition trying to get the EOW to stop investigating them…
http://bombayhighcourt.nic.in/casequery_action.php?auth=bV9oYz0wMSZtX3NyPVImbV9zaWRlZmxnPUNSJm1fZmlsX25vPTAxMzA4MDM2MTEyMDExJm1fc2tleT1XUCZtX25vPTM2MTEmbV95cj0yMDEx
It was scheduled for hearing on the 16th January, 2012.
Like you, I wonder why this has been pushed forward? Does it have something to do with the outcome of Crasto’s bail hearing today?
The 2 Speak Asia writs (3211 and 3210) have both been rescheduled for hearing on the 17th January.
No orders have yet been made in either of these cases (they haven’t been heard) so not sure what the reason is.
Both these petitions filed by Speak Asia were adjourned without a hearing the last time they were to be heard in court, wonder if it happened again (and what the reason is).
From the looks of it the courts continue to knock back Speak Asia’s attempts to stop the EOW’s criminal investigations into the company.
@Sameer
I’m not wasting any energy on the claims, I don’t think anyone else should either.
yes,dont waste your energy on eow claims,coz it will be of no use after 9 jan,but after 9 jan have the courtesy to say sorry to speakasians
Considering the Solomon James writ has nothing to do with the EOW case or any other criminal action against Speak Asia – I’m not really see why it wouldn’t be of importance.
What, you think the Supreme Court is just going to order everyone to stop investigating/charging Speak Asia for a year of running a ponzi scheme?
Three Major Happenings of the day
1) Web site Log In Started
2) Ashish & Melvyn Released
3) Hearing Preponed for 6 Jan 2012 in AISPA Writ.
What is the impact of all this OZ..
4) What happened to ED booking a case , is any confirmation available to you about the court where the same will be heard now.
yesss ashish dandekar & melvin cresto got bailed out..don’t think anyhing more left to say or prove..EOW has been arresting innocent poeple of no reason & they getting bailed out which clearly showss that there is nothing to prove against speakasia…
& oz if ur relative was also a panelist with speakasia then according to your post EOW said everybody who is with speakasia is guilty so why dnt u ask EOW to arrest them…ohh gosh i forgot you are their mouth piece lol…newayzz im sure u have lot of fancy things to say against it as well so go on…
1. Login doesn’t mean much. Just that either the EOW or Speak Asia flipped a switch and reconnected the backend.
Not like the entire thing couldn’t have been cloned by the EOW and stored for their investigation.
2. Crasto and Dandekar are old news and I guess after nearly 6 weeks the EOW are done with them for now. Not like they were ever going to be held indefintely.
With the EOW looking to get Bajpai’s bail revoked maybe they’re ready to bring him in again and grill him on whatever they’ve learnt from Dandekar and Crasto.
Meanwhile I’m kinda wondering why there’s an information embargo on the Ritesh Pal arrest by you guys? That seemed to forcibly pushed out of the spotlight quick smart.
3. Kkhosla said it was urgent but apparently that’s all he knows. Given it’s Crasto’s petition you’d have to ask him.
4. You’d have to contact the ED. They announced they were booking Speak Asia for money laundering and now have registered a case. When and where I know as much as you do.
(you’re asking a lot of rhetorical questions today).
@vikramBail = innocence, where’d you pull that from?
Hilarious how getting bail automatically means Crasto and Dandekar are “innocent”. Quick to forget the multiple bail denials and 6 weeks in custody aren’t we.
@anjuBack up your claims or they’ll be nuked.
SpeakAsians seems to try to defend the company (or themselves) via “basic human rights”?
Constitution of India
§14. equality before the court
§19. freedom of speech
§21. protection of life and personal liberty
§226. power of High Courts to issue certain Writs
Indian Penal Code 420, 406 are related to “breach of trust” “related to property”.
Criminal Procedure Code should usually be related to the handling of cases, in general.
@swapnil
As far as I can see, the criminal investigation will continue as it did before 9. January, if the defence is based on basic human rights.
You can have my “sorry-statement” here:
Sorry, SpeakAsians, basic human rights usually won’t work well as defence in criminal cases.
* we don’t have the “right” to organize, run or participate in pyramide schemes. Constitutional rights are general rights, and they don’t include all sorts of behaviour. We don’t have the “right” to avoid being investigated in relation to a criminal case.
As an example:
Food is a human right, but this won’t include that it is a human right to be able to buy food in the middle of the night, and that the local MacDonald’s violates a basic human right when they close the shop at 9 in the evening each day.
My “sorry-statement” is based on the information I have been able to check. I haven’t been able to check for “procedural errors” related to the case.
MoneyLife confirms the EOW’s move to cancel Bajpai’s bail after he failed to meet bail conditions set by the court and went into hiding.
Also news that the EOW are being pro-active in busting scams like Speak Asia:
I’m mentioned too
They’re going to think Kkhosla runs BehindMLM at this rate lol.
Oz I was not getting any logical reply from your side. And your act of posting an entire article on ED Lodging a claim , on which you don’t have any backup apart from the media (which is only targetting one side of the story).
Hence I am forced to ask questions which will lead to some meaningful debate instead of just hovering around the site and reading the useless questions and comments. Thanks for the answers any how.
let me touch base each of your replies now..
What do you mean backup? The media are quoting the EOW. You want to call the EOW liars that’s your business, I don’t run around with a tin foil hat on.
So you want to construct artificial discussion to make yourself feel better? That’s a bit vain isn’t it.
Regarding Crasto and Dandekar’s alleged bail – are they actually out? Why wouldn’t they be released if they weren’t granted bail?
Welcome back, anju, even if your comments seems to be deleted before I have had the chance to read them.
It seems like you need some information on how to “sell” statements, and how to protect them from being deleted?
I use the word “sell” in the meaning of “make people feel something about an issue”, “make them evaluate other solutions”, “sell from the other person’s wiewpoint” and some similar stuff.
I’m at your service, but the topic “selling” will be off-topic in relation to the article. It will need some other solutions.
These guys question here but if they have guts they should go to EOW and ask them why are they giving false information to media.
If bail means a person is innocent then Sanjay Dutt the film actor has been given 10 years in Jail by Mumbai High court but he is out on bail and has appealed in supreme court.
This shows what knowledgeable marketing research panelist speakasia has recruited and they expect their surveys to be sold for crores every week with the kind of knowledge they have.
Lastly the site came up but the question is the EOW had clarified previously that speakasia’s site or server are not under their control, that means speakasia has fooled their foolish panelist into believing that server is with EOW. And the reason was simple if the site would have been up always, they would have to provide those fake surveys and promised payments for all these months, without getting any returns as jonings had reduced and eventually stopped by June, no new recruitment means no survey income for anyone. If surveys would have continued panelist woulf have accumulated so many points by now.
And lastly there is another question the guys managing website were arrested and also the guy making those fake surveys too arrested.
They could have hired web professionals out of india to get their surveys working but they were busy transfering money to singapore and were happy with their collection.
The value of Anju’s SpeakAsia can be judged from the fact their cease and desist notice are thrown in dustbins and the fraud continously reported by same companies who they sent notice.
norway
our press is selling their stuff to soapbox left right and centre.
i really dont need to sell anything.
he’ll get all the stuff from the courts ,just give it time.
but DO tell him if the ED has registered a case against saol it HAS to show up on the court site of delhi high court or the supreme court.
also our lawyers have categorically said that the revenue system of saol DOES NOT FALL under the money laundering act by about a mile or so.
read fast before i’m nuked
ha, there i go .
also you legal brain drains, melvyn and ashish are not free today because their bail order came up at the end of the working day and the formalities [ paper work ] can be concluded only tomorrow morning.
@anju
I may have some interesting information, but the information will be off-topic in relation to this article. It will be within the general idea of this website, but I’ll have to select another solution than this thread.
Actually, it seems like you DO need some information on how to “sell” your work (“make it accepted”), and how to protect it from being deleted. 🙂
I have already created some sort of solution for off-topic stuff, in an old and inactive thread. I will only have to add an “introduction” to this new topic first.
The thread is found under Companies –> CarbonCopyPro, and it’s only one article there. You don’t have to reply to this comment, since I’m moving the topic to this other thread.
https://behindmlm.com/companies/carbon-copy-pro/pro-u-automatic-millionaire-the-39980-opportunity/
NOTE:
I’ll have to add a comment there first.
@Oz
Some basic information about how to sell stuff should be within the interests of most readers. I have already prepared the thread for this kind of topics.
It’s not so much ‘selling’ your point of view, it’s avoiding coming in here every so often, spouting volcanic amounts of unsubstantiated garbage with mundane Facebook style banter and then running off again.
Only to return again and again to wash, rinse and repeat.
This gets tiresome and comes off as being painfully attention grabbing, rather than contributing anything of worth to the discussion at hand. Best just not to deal with it I figure.
The Cyber Crime Police Station of Mumbai Police has recorded FIR no.1 of 2012 on 03.01.2012 on my complaint that there has been a malicious, defamatory and threatening posting about me on two blogs of two different persons. They have posted that I have:
a) 32 pending cases of rape, molestation, fraud and cheating.
b) 6 divorce cases
These postings have disappeared.
That I am feeling threatened by these new attacks which I have seen after my appearance in the Qila Court in Mumbai to oppose the bail application of the accused Ashish Dandekar and wherein I had submitted a copy of the resolution of the Board of Directors of Speak Asia Online Pte. Ltd. dated 15.07.2011.
That this resolution authorized the accused Ashish Dandekar to appoint advocates, etc for all legal matters pertaining to Speak Asia Online Pte. Ltd. and also authorized to file, etc. a suit against STAR TV for defamation. That a suit for compensation for defamation has been filed for a sum of Rs. 500 crore in the Bombay High Court against STAR TV signed by Ashish Dandekar.
Today one of the accused has telephoned me on my land line to apologize to me and beg for forgiveness. Who gave him my number? What would happen if I had recorded the conversation with this accused? And what if I had some other recorded conversations?
Interesting to speculate?
I would like to know of any similar postings. I request any good soul to mail it to me to speakasiainvestors@gmail.com
defamation of ANYBODY will not help or hurt the saol case.
the law looks only upon provable facts.
people can rant and rave about individual personalities but the court only needs to decide whether saol is legal or not .
the rest is balderdash and will get thrown out with the day’s rubbish.
time tells all.
Can you explain it? This is no speakasia fan page where we will cheer for you. (Have you any proof for your claim?)
1) just a repeatition
2) Yes. But that doesn’t prove anything
3) ok
If you are involved in any economic offense and first time offender you may get bail. That doesn’t mean you are innocent, it will be proved in court.
Who says EOW is arresting innocent people? You can’t keep innocent people in jail for 2 or 3 weeks. There are hundreds of facts given on this blog which is enough to prove speakasia a scam (apart from it’s self explaining bogus business model).
EOW, ED, IT other departments must have other proofs which are represented in different news paper time to time.
Why do you think all the news paper are printing same news? Is it a big conspiracy against speakasia? Are you people *really* believe that all news media and govt. agencies are paid to post against speakasia?
Speakasia has so good company portfolio that a dog will don’t care before sprinkle some water on it. People only notice it because it is a big scam not because it’s a big company.
You are a brave man Mr. Kkhosla
So the Indian mind and spirit fostered Indian press that is full of lies. Is that what you’re saying?
And since the newspapers are quoting EOW, CID, ED, etc. are those government agencies full of lies too?
And who elected the government? The indian people, of course.
‘nough said.
chang
india is the word’s biggest democracy
did i say it was perfect?
it’s a hard process, and citizens have to fight hard for their rights ,just like we’re doing with saol.
in india every battle is a hard battle, whether it’s citizens standing up for RTI, or anna hazare ,or for speakasia.
but please note we’re old hands , we’ve been doing this for centuries ,and guess who always wins?
as speakasians say -truth will prevail
this is the gandhian route,
believe
fight for your right decorously
turn the other cheek
forgive your transgressors
i for one will give the eow a big huge hug ,once all this is over.
nobody ever insults the officers of our great nation.
Hello Navnit Khosla ji
You are indeed a brave man.
Yes u r right that post which was defaming you have been removed from a blog and some facebook pages.
Seems speakasian powers group became powerless by ur complaint and removed those posts of urs. I think their admins found they did not have power but just gas which was released after ur FIR at cyber crime.
While its still there in The Bhaskar, speakasia varanasi facebook page, speakasiaonline.mobi page in comments section.
yesyesyes
chang
the eow ,through the press is lying.
either you get it or you don’t, god help you.
For once I must say, I have my obvious doubts on this Ozzy guy with elaborate narrations. These Indian agencies catch someone then bail someone and then run for a new one. Why to let go people, give them even half a chance and then cry for the same.
What hell is going on. Why we should not doubt the government agencies of our country if they behave so?
‘EOW has done this and then EOW has done that’..perhaps its time such stories are put to rest for ever. Someone rightly said, in India anything can happen. Even a ponzi scheme can find a chance.
I have been left all confused right here with only one alternative of relying on the court’s VERDICT on the criminal cases if any. Navnitt Kkholsa seems to be a person with maximum surprises and shocks in the past few months.
Everything looks like a nice suspense drama than a hope for the just, may what be.
@anju
The “winning” here seems to have gone in favour of the Italian guys so far?
You Indians seems to be very interested in fighting? That’s exactly the impression I have had until now, seeing some old American Western movies some years ago – where they shout “The Indians are coming. Run for shelter.” 🙂
I have both seen “Wounded Knee”, “Pocahontas” and “A man called Horse”, so I do understand how the fighting spirit works.
And your proof of this is what exactly?
chang
wait.
the court will tell you .
So you don’t have any proof, do you?
@Navniit
Accused in the Speak Asia case or in relation to the FIR?
Good luck Navniit, I imagine the crap Speak Asia members publish about me will only increase over time too.
@Parveen
The agencies don’t grant them bail, the courts do (after
Speak Asia’stheir lawyers make up whatever storeis they can to make them appear innocent).Thankfully it looks like the courts have wisened up and Crasto and Dendekar were held in custody whilst they were interrogated rather then be let out on bail, only to dissappear like Bajpai and friends.
I imagine if the EOW bring in Bajpai again he won’t be getting out anytime soon either.
@Kasey
Welcome to the crux of the Anju Bahirwani persona.
All you have to do is look at the opening quote in this very article…
@Oz
Accused in FIR no. 1 of 2012 recorded on 03.01.2012
If it’s one of the senior panelists, or they are connected with them (downline) then it’s a no-brainer as to how they got your number.
These guys are all running the Speak Asia cheerleading squad together and are in contact with those running the scam at the ground level.
If one of them knows anything about you (via company lawyers or anything) then it’s safe to assume they all do.
As the EOW have repeatedly hinted at, the credentials as far as seperation between the operations of Speak Asia and being ‘just a panelist’ is suspiciously hazy.
we have all the required proofs ,but unlike the eow we don’t talk to the press.we talk in court where it counts.
by the way what is YOUR proof?
a media report?
that doesn’t stand in court so it’s not proof.come on give us solid proof.
has tarak and etc’s bail been canceled?
show where the ED case is listed.
what’s happening in castro’s ‘ACR ‘ case. he got bail .so why is he filing an ACR or whatever.
please enlighten us villagers.
Then what have you been doing here for the past X months? Sprouting bull****?
As you don’t need it, neither do I. Why should I play by different rules than you? EOW has all the proof. They’ll see you in court, yes?
Just because it hasn’t happened doesn’t mean it won’t happen. Why, you think EOW is in a habit of releasing false statements just to make you feel bad? 😀
chang
your answer is fail
chuck it in the spam bin now.
quit asking people for PROOF henceforth.
if we spout bullshit you’re doing the same.
breaking news
in today’s ‘castro’ writ in the mumbai high court ,the bench has kindly instructed the mumbai eow to restrain itself in the matter of arresting ashok bahirwani, and if they feel a particular need to do so ,they have to give him 72 hours notice to apply for anticipatory bail.
the rest of the matter ,ie quashing of the khosla fir will be heard on 16 jan.
Are Crasto and Dandekar out on bail yet?
Seems to be an awful lot of quiet surrounding the Ritesh Pal arrest and Crasto/Dandekar bail applications. Weren’t you saying they were supposed to be out in the morning?
I also vaguely recall seeing the mention of someone applying for a stay in the SC case on the 9th by one of the respondents, but that was swept under the carpet pretty quickly too (?).
Please help us out with something that can we also become the CO-PETIONER in this writ.
crastro and dandekars paper work is still going on [sureties , monies etc].
seeing it is 5.15 now ,i see their release spilling over to tomorrow morning.nobody can hurry up our officials ,they work at their own pace ,and we have to patiently wait.
ritesh pal is a franchisee and is not an aispa headache.he can look after himself.
there is no stay in the supreme court matter. people just don’t know how to read legal documents ,that’s all.
why are you avoiding talk about the high court writs of saol?
you cant wish away a truth by dumping it your spam bin. childish or what?
What truths, writs 3210 and 3211 have been postponed till the 17th with no orders published. They’re still in pre-admission.
If you’re talking about the alleged consolidation of writs by your fugitive father… well, logically I don’t really see the point. I’ve been saying the quashing of FIR’s isn’t going to stop the EOW’s investigation for how long now…
Whether FIRs are filed in Thane, Raigad or wherever, the EOW will continue investigating. The police don’t just drop huge criminal cases because the accused being investigated waste their time in the courts.
siddharth
which writ are you taking about ?
the detailed hearing of the aispa [castro] writ will be on the 16 jan .today the court ran out of time.
whatever the judges rule will be valid for all panelists .
mr abdi is a great lawyer and fully charged up.
soapbox,
there was a long hearing in both writs.
mr mahesh jethmalani appeared on behalf of saol.he is a stalwart and a household name in india.
the hon judges khanvilkar and ketkar agreed with the argument of saol counsel that there cannot be multiple fir’s and multiple arrests in the same matter.
the judges asked the eow to consolidate all matters before the next hearing or else the judges will quash the fir’s.
you with your simplistic explanations[the eow wont stop investigating] do not understand the implications of these quashings on the saol matter. but i’m not here to give free lessons in indian law.
you had written in an earlier post that lol lol how do you think this matter will look in court? the judge will bust your ass or words to that effect.
well lookee what happened.quite the opposite right?
ashok bahirwani WAS traveling .now with the blessings of the high court he gets to go home. smarter to go on vacation than sit in jail.anyday.
…so consolidate the FIRs and go from there?
That’s easy enough isn’t it, considering all the FIR’s are ‘where is our money?’ pretty much.
I know you don’t get away with running the largest ponzi scheme in the history of a country because you got some FIR’s consolidated or quashed.
A ponzi is a ponzi, the world over.
It’s in pre-admission, the matter on the writ hasn’t been heard yet. If they’re consolidated the sentiment still stands, Speak Asia trying to get investigations against it squashed is going to look ridiculous in court.
Criminals trying to stop investigations against them in court don’t win… India’s legal system is any different to the rest of the world in that respect.
And please, stop pulling the ‘you’re not Indian so how could you understand it’, it’s racist.
Running from the law, on vacation… whatever you want to call it if it makes you feel better.
Innocent men don’t flee like criminals.
Anyway if you’re done arguing semantics – I’m off to enjoy the weekend.
saol is not trying to stop investigations against it .
saol is trying to quash fir’s against it.
investigations will continue.
but without teeth can you bite?
do have a good time .bye.
there are always 3 sides to any debate,my side your side,and the last and decision making side is that of time.TIME will tell the truth of everybody.
I asked you for proof, you said you don’t have to provide any. Again, why should you provide no proof while I do?
If so, you started it. You claim to be NOT defending SAOL, but you’ve been here issuing statements for the past several MONTHS doing exactly that.
So was Manoj Kumar, and look at where he is now.
“History is written by the winners.” — George Orwell
@Oz
You’re mentioned in “Ashok Bahirwani’s updates: 5th January, 2012”:
Source: speakasiahyderabad.com/2012/01/ashok-bahirwanis-updates-5th-january-2012/
I believe Bahirwani is overestimating a little. 🙂
Mumbai Times copied most of it’s matherial from here, but police will always have to do their own investigation and collect their own evidence.
Government agencies will have to follow specific rules when they collect evidence in a case. Usually they can’t use “third party information” as evidence, but they can use information for where to find evidence as a valuable part of their work.
Don’t you know, India is the only country in the world where the media print lies and the police don’t investigate or verify anything on their own, they just copy and paste what they find on the internet.
The only source of truth in India is YouTube videos uploaded by fugitives on the run.
I kinda found it amusing that Bahirwani had a go at Kkhosla for filing a police report over the lies published by Speak Asia members about him and how
This from the guy who instead of just helping police with their investigations and enquiries chose to go on the run for over a month:
And now hides behind lawyers. Abandoning your hoeme and family seems like an awfully extreme length to go to just to ensure non-cooperation with police. Well, unless you’re Speak Asia’s CEO Manoj Kumar who has been doing the very same for over 6 months.
Given that the police can’t hold you without evidence against you that needs to be presented in court (and that’s only if they want to arrest you, they might just have wanted to interrogate Bahirwani – who knows), why would you run?
With the exception of Dandekar and Crasto (who didn’t see it coming), it seems anyone who knows anything about Speak Asia would rather flee and go into hiding then help the authorities with their investigations.
Innocent people don’t flee like criminals on the run and hide behind lawyers.
No doubt Anju Bahirwani (who has a huge conflict of interest here) will tell us again how the police are all lying and this is how hiding from the police and not helping them with their investigations makes her father a national hero…
…because that makes sense.
What a coincidence. His trip finishes exactly in the day he gets a bail.
Oh,it’s similar to so many cases here in Brazil
the notice in Mumbai Mirror(including declarations form EOW) was three weeks after the post here.
I suppose that, in those more twenty days, the police tried to check the facts, and, if they, told it to the press, it’s probably because they found some strong evidence, otherwise they wouldn’t say anything, because they’re not crazy
@Brazillian
Not bail, but a few days notice so he can go into hiding again.
Anticpatory bail is kinda useless seeing as it’s been previously denied to pretty much everyone who’s requested it that has been involved in Speak Asia.
Bahirwani just wants time to run this time after he saw Dandekar and Crasto get caught by surprise and locked up on the evidence against them for questioning.
AISPA management were pretty confident their involvement in Speak Asia was hush hush, looking at Bahirwani’s actions over the past month or so – now evidently they’re not so sure.
@Brazillian
How can you suppose anything, you’re not
Indiana Speak Asia member!Nah, you just don’t “get it”. India is the land of mystery where the media and police publish lies 24/7 and people are able to run ponzi schemes without any criminal liability so long as they submit business models they never used in court and promise to pay out everyone, even though mathematically there isn’t nearly enough officially recorded revenue to do so.
Like I said, you’re not
Indiana Speak Asia member so you wouldn’t get it.I agree.
It’s possible to give enough information to speed up the handling of a case, but it’s wise to avoid the word “evidence”, or to claim you have delivered “evidence” to some Government agencies. Using the word “information” is better, even if the information is some sort of evidence.
WMI in the U.S. threatened to sue the Norwegian Gaming Board and the blog “Pharaoh’s Tomb”, for conspiracy (or something) related to the collecting of evidence and information. The blog owner had provided them with a lot of matherial, and Kip Herriage felt they had used a biased source in some parts of their evaluation. Oz has a copy of the letter from Kip Herriage.
Claiming to have delivered specific evidence may lead to that the evidence can’t be used in a court, or as a part of the case. When you’re a third party source it’s wiser to reduce the impression of your own involvment.
Government agencies can’t use third party information in vital parts of a case. They have to collect the most vital information and evidence themselves. They have very specific rules to follow.
The wisest statement here is to say that this blog only has delivered “some information”, and that EOW probably have done their own investigations. I believe Mumbai Times have added a lot of information on their own, and used this blog as a source. I also believe that Bahirwani is overestimating the work done here, if he consider it to be a vital part of the case.
@ Oz, Chang,Norway etc..
The Bhairwanis, Kumars and Saol are now openly commenting about your blog..you are now deemed to be enemy No. 1… well Behind Enemy Lines.. the Conspiracy Theory by Media, Eow and Behindmlm to eradicate the Ponzi scheme problem from India is gathering strength..
I wonder if these guys manage to call a Strike (Bharat Bandh) and close down India for a day in protest from atrocities of the organisations mentioned above.. Manoj Kumar sure did choose his henchmen carefully..pretty Intelligent fellows..
Wonder who is paying the Aispa’s Lawyers..such big names..Jethmalanis who charge thousands of $ per hearing.. the Panelists are surely “Contributing” through their noses and bleeding profusely..wonder when they will see light..
And..Anju stop making mountain out of a Mole hill..be more practical here..Oz..if you nuke her comments..this blog will look like a fish without water..these last few months..she is the only breath of freshness here…??? HAhahaha
you guys have always pretended that your pronouncements are based on fact and evidence but the truth is you’re only relying on media reports which do not stand as evidence in court.
it’s good you finally realize you cant back up the media reports with any truth on the ground. and if these reports [ED case ,cancellation of bail of tarak etc, issuance of red corner notices etc etc]are false then why shouldn’t one believe that the other reports are also false and have malicious intent.
how long will you bury your head in the sand and pretend not to see.
hello? anju supports aispa .
aispa supports panelists and saol.
saol panelists love saol.
the ones who dont will soon get paid out and can leave.
whatever gave you the idea i claimed dont support saol?
this statement shows just what pitiable knowledge you have about our police and our courts.the reason castro and dandekar have come out in 40 odd days is because aispa and saol are using the best of legal talent available.
there are undertrials in jails for 6- years in our country.
trivia-castro has been in jail for 40 days but according to his family has been questioned for a total of about 2 hours in all.amazing.
if ashok bahirwani is some sort of criminal, why would the high court bench try to protect his interests? the fact that the high court ruled in his favor should shut you up and stop these conspiracy stories you keep making up [he is management ,he is millionaire, he is ceo,he has vested interests].
NO he is entangled in this in just the same way YOU are.the difference is your personal liberty is not at stake and his is.
NEVER could anyone imagine that by being secretary of an association of a peoples movement, you could be in danger of arrest.but such is life.
finally,you’re coming into the truth zone.
but i wouldn’t say ‘only ‘ country.
other developing countries could also be having similar problems.
Doesn’t stand as “evidence” doesn’t make them untrue either.
You’re in it. We’re not. If there’s any one buried in sand it would be you.
Yet you call EOW, CID, etc. liars for giving statements to your media.
anju agarwal:
whatever gave you the idea i claimed dont support saol?
Let’s see, maybe it’s this quote?
Yet you’ve been talking here all along. Does this look like the court to you?
@anju
You seems to have misunderstood the court system and the use of judicial custody?
A court will have to be “neutral” to work well. It seems like the court have been neutral in this case?
The use of judicial custody is only meant to be used for a short period of time, to protect some different interests, usually “interests of the society”. Being released from judicial custody doesn’t tell anything about “guilty/not guilty”.
Let’s not encourage little Miss Bahirwani’s PMS fueled rants guys. Nothing constructive comes out of it and she’s a chore to read.
anju – i would like to ask you that how important is 9th jan for all of us.
sanju
the 9 jan supreme court matter will inform us about the contents of the lahoti committee report.
it will inform us about the supreme courts view on this report.
people looking for insta-relief will be disappointed because a few more hearings will be required to clear all matters.
Anju you’re amusingly delusional if you think the general public are going to be privvy to criminal investigations. Anything released to the media as a statement of fact is only done so after it’s been established and investigated.
India isn’t some alien planet, criminal investigations are conducted covertly worldwide. This is so that the criminals don’t get a heads up as to what’s going on.
Common sense really.
Nah… it’s because the EOW are done with them. They were repeatedly denied bail based on the evidence the EOW had on them. Once the EOW is done with them, if they’re not of vital importance to the investigation might as well release them.
And while we’re on the subject, are they even out yet?
. Anything released to the media as a statement of fact is only done so after it’s been established and investigated.-soapbox
not true in india .but of course you know more since you don’t live here.
it’s also very fair of you to nuke my comments but continue to comment on them.
well done mr soapbox ,with your wonderful one sided blog.
today being saturday some govt departments are not working so the ‘paper work’ in castro and dandekars bail could not be completed.
so poor guys are stuck till monday.
seems strange isn’t it ,that after getting bail people have to stay in jail for a few more days.defies ‘common sense’ doesn’t it ?
this should tell you that things here don’t work according to your standards of common sense.
so i repeat you have pitiable knowledge of our courts and police functioning and merely removing my comments will not absolve you of this.
what? you cant fight fair?
…Yes, you heard it here first folks – India is the only country in the world that has delays in it’s legal system.
But unless you’re Indian – you “don’t get it”.
Honestly, what a bunch of racist crap.
True everywhere. Why? Because there’s consequences otherwise.
Take for example the consequences of sending silly cease and desist letters to media organisations quoting the police.
They are promptly ignored and the media continue to quote the police as to the status of their investigation. Meanwhile the scammers who sent the original cease and desist look rather silly.
also, in yesterdays castro writ in the high court your favorite little ‘point’ about the eow investigation having ‘nothing to do’ with the mediation order of the supreme court came up.
the judge said to the respondents[eow etc] -that is your contention and i don’t agree.
busted.
What fight? This is a blog about MLM with no vested financial interest in Speak Asia whatsoever.
Whatever happens happens, I’ll write my opinion on it and get on with life. It really doesn’t affect me either way.
I know Speak Asia management push the ‘us vs. them’ mantra, in order to garner obedience from panelists but in regards to this site, it seems misplaced. BehindMLM was here before Speak Asia and will continue to run long after.
The end of or, or continuance of the Speak Asia fraud really has no bearing on the future of this website.
The fact remains that in reality, Supreme Courts don’t order police to stop investigating criminals who run ponzi scheme scams.
Much of a muchness really, ponzi schemes are outlawed the world over for a reason.
Finally,
I try to keep the discussion here a cut above Facebook spam and uselessness. Part of the reason you keep coming back here is due to this.
No matter the topic or article, if comments don’t really add anything to the discussion they’re nuked. That includes wall-of-text rants, commenting for the sake of commenting (as Sanjeev Khanna likes to do from time to time) and general nonsense.
If a comment does have some useful information but is tucked away in mountains of garbage, I just nuke the entire comment – simple.
You’ve been here long enough to know what does and doesn’t get through, and I’m certainly not going to change anytime in this regard (my efforts seem to have worked rather well in the nearly going on 3 years since I started BehindMLM) so really you’ve got no choice or say in the matter.
If you want to try and turn that into some ‘one-sided’ blog rant, you’ll have to have that discussion with yourself.
Exhibit A:
We’ve gone over Speak Asia’s business model a million times and don’t need to again. When you pay out the majority of commissions via membership fees and on the recruitment of new members, with no tangible product offered at a retail level – you’ve got yourself a ponzi scheme.
The ROI in this instance being filling out fake surveys to earn a ROI over a 52 week period (membership duration).
Regardless of what happens in court this has been established by the business model Speak Asia have used. It’s not debatable or refutable, because the business model is what it is – a scam.
Anju’s comment above is the kind of crap that, whilst it once might have added something to the discussion, at this stage – considering the business model was reviewed on here back in March, adds nothing and is published just for the sake of commenting.
@anju
The problem with the business model is that it’s dependant on constant recruitment, and it’s also dependant on constant reinvestments from most participants. It’s doomed to collapse when the recruitment slows down, or when enough people wants money paid out rather than reinvesting it.
SpeakAsia may have some chances to avoid being convicted for some of the criminal charges, ie. due to procedural errors or something. The chances for a restart is close to zero, even with a changed business model. The company didn’t have any real clients to provide them with real revenue, and such business models will never work for a long time.
You can’t expect the Government to allow more people to be scammed by this company. It should have been shut down within it’s first 3 months of operation, if it had been a real business. Allowing it to continue will have the result of more people being scammed.
Congratulations with the bail hearings for Crasto and Dandekar. It shows that the court is able to make “neutral” decisions, and protect the interests of people involved, too. This is actually a good sign for most of the panelists. It’s a good sign for the expected results from Lahoti Committee, too. It may protect the interests of people involved rather than the interests of some Government agencies.
Usually, being held in judicial custody doesn’t make people “heroes”. Being released from judicial custody doesn’t make them “heroes”, either. SpeakAsians seems to have some weird ideas about heroism and how the court system really works?
By the way, you seem to be easily “disturbed” when something doesn’t follow your set of ideas exactly? It reminds me a little of Sheldon from “Big Bang Theory”. 🙂
Ah, such is the life of being a scam critic… You become the focal point of all the scam-ers and scam victims (who don’t consider themselves victims).
Such is the cult of scam, who is busy fostering “us vs. them” attitude. Nobody outside understands you, stay in and keep fighting with us (against whoever we say you should fight against).
@Swapnil ….
Its already 9th Jan … Speakasia hasn’t started yet
Only got another date … Jan 16th … What happened to your confidence?
The courts seem to have erred in giving bail to these Speak Asia thugs without asking them to surrender their passports.
After cancellation of former COO’s bail the EoW probably is going to watch his residence and family in Indore and tap their tel/mobile lines.
EOW needs to move to cancel the bail first.
I thought the surrender of passports was included in the bail conditions on Bajpai et al?
Of course whether or not they actually surrendered them who knows.
Love how some panelists are answering the ‘where is tarak bajpai?’ question with ‘he can’t be seen in public due to his bail conditions’.
This is the same Bajpai who has failed to have any contact with the EOW or meet any of his other bail conditions upon release… yet he cares so strongly about that one caveat?
Please.
Slightly off-topic, but here’s some possible clues to Seven Rings International FIZCO.
FIZCO may be a misspelling of FZCO = Free Zone Company (in United Arab Emirates).
Free Zones seems to be used as tax havens – “Invest in Dubai and save tax in your home country”. It sounds very possible that Manoj Kumar may have a registered FZCO there. This clue may be worth some further research, but I don’t have the time to do it now.
I believe Ajman Free Zone may be the best place to start a search.
Some of the agents in UAE seems to have local agents in India. As an example:
tarak must be out of country…no court order ask you to start wearing burkha or become invisible..it is very easy to travel to nepal by road and get out of there to any country you wish… special arrangements made by indian govt to facilitate thugs to go abroad
it seems to be a strategy of manoj kumar to get his management out of sight gradually so the innocent people get caught up and get implicated in this scam
I think its high time we talk about who is the main culprit of saol scam?? can you see investigation going anywhere??
why podium ring international has left behind and investigation agencies has turned blind eye towards its promoters and keep on harassing innocent people
I wouldn’t be surprised if JCA Consulting (Jitendra Consulting Group) was involved in SpeakAsia in some way or another. They seem to have exactly the right connections and knowhow.
Googling the address “Nana Bhai Lane, Opp. Akberallys, Fort Fountain, Mumbai- 400001 India” gives hits for company formation in UAE, BVI and a few other tax havens, investments, auditing, accounting and some other useful professions. This may be a piece of the puzzle.
Money laundering needs lots of professional connections in different countries, and I found a whole bunch of them here.
@AJ
Podium Ring International is located in British Virgin Islands, and nearly impossible to investigate for a local agency in India.
Podium Ring was/is registered shareholder in SpeakAsia Online in Singapore, but the owner(s) of Podium Ring are currently unknown. I believe it may be easier to research the connections in United Arab Emirates than BVI.
Mister Colibri in Brazil may have left some trails. Payment was done to Seven Rings International FIZCO (probably in the UAE). Some of the participants in Brazil may have more detailed info (like name of bank, account number and other details). Or they may have other info about payment solutions used.
Podium Ring was a dead end when a news team tried to investigate SpeakAsia Online in Singapore in May or June 2011.
Well this came out of left field, apparently on December 30th 2011 Tarak Bajpai and his mate Rajiv Mehrotra both applied for antipatory bail in the High Court of Andhra Pradesh.
Bajpai’s case is CRLP 14089 / 2011 and Mehrotra’s CRLP 14088 / 2011 indicating they were filed together. They’re also being represented by the same party ‘Murthy’.
This would appear to co-incide with the EOW’s recent announcement they’re going to file for cancellation of Bajpai’s bail would it not?
Mind you, I don’t really understand what Bajpai and Mehrotra are hoping to achieve here. I mean what, apply for anticipatory bail, get refused, get released on regular bail, ignore your bail conditions for months and then again apply for anticipatory bail when the police say they’re going to cancel your bail and arrest you?
What hope do these two think they have asking the court to
The bail hearing was today on January 18th and has been wonderfully kept hush hush by Speak Asia management and senior panelists.
Sourced from ‘SpeakAsia Fraud‘
soapbox
how mixed up can anyone get?
in the andhra matter-
the other accused ie dipankar sarkar ,raees etc were arrested by andhra police.
they got bail and came out within a month or so.
tarak bajpai and mehrotra were both admitted to the hospital at that time.
they are still exposed in the andhra matter ,so that’s why they have applied for anticipatory bail.
in the mumbai matter-
all accused have got bail and are free, except for ashish dandekar[ his paperwork is taking time].
the mumbai eow is threatening to cancel bail of bajpai[ for a long time now].
application of anticipatory bail in andhra has nothing to do with mumbai case and mumbai eow.
what is hush hush ?
it’s on the net isnt it?
if you’ve noticed saol lawyers [phoenix law],never drop by facebook pages to hand out free info.
Their last attempt at anticipatory bail was rejected in October… seeing as nothing’s changed I imagine it will be again.
More panelist money down the drain in legal fees.
the last bail application was rejected in october ,but the scene has changed since then with the good movement in the supreme court [formation and reports of lahoti committee}.
you do not understand the seriousness and judicial WEIGHT a supreme court order of mediation carries.
Apparently not much. The UOI (who apparently weren’t officially even represented at the mediation meetings) strolled into court, demanded a copy of the report after it was filed and have been granted what now, roughly a month to respond to it (since they were given it back in early Jan).
As I’ve been saying all along, the Supreme Court action is at the beck and call of those running the criminal investigation.
the UOI through the finance ministry did not participate because it has nothing to ‘say’.they have been given two weeks to reply. they will come back with stuff like make sure you follow this rule and that rule.
alright, say this again after about a month.
Looks like the EOW have picked up Ashok Bahirwani for interrogation again… 2 interrogations now?
And so the criminal investigation continues…
@anju
Understanding how the court system works seems to be more like “exactly what we do know”?
Most of the “guess work” done here have been very close to the truth, and it has also been “precisely” and “correct” in most parts.
Exactly which “seriousness” and “judicial WEIGHT” are you talking about here, and which parts of the case are they related to?
I don’t support Oz’ statement either. It sounded like a decision from the Supreme Court was dependant on the outcome of other parts of the case?
The parts handled by the Supreme Court are separated from the parts handled by the lower court system, if we’re talking about the parts that involved the Lahoti Committee? The Supreme Court may make an “individual decision” related to the payment of panelists, without interfering with other parts of the case.
Anju, the Supreme Court doesn’t deal with the criminal parts of the case. They deal with the “public interests” in the payment of panelists, like whether the money is seizable as taxes or fines or not. I’ll guess they also deal with different questions related to if they can allow some solutions for payment.
The Supreme Court will not clear SpeakAsia from criminal charges. I cannot think they will allow payments through the EXIT-option either, but they may allow for some solutions related to “dividends” of some money involved – treating each and every panelist in a similar way.
We can’t call the EXIT-option a “Public Interest”. Using this option i solely in the interest of the management of SpeakAsia, but it will harm the interests of most others involved. Harming the interests of most people involved doesn’t seem much like “public interest” to me?
soapbox
one month is not over today itself. take a deep breath and relax.
the only part i liked about the orders are that the PP agreed that the ‘mediation process is on’.
norway
the petitioners [panelists] in the supreme court have asked for
payments
business restart
the respondent[saol] in the supreme court has prayed for
payments
business restart
so why you insist that the supreme court will look at only payment to panelists is entirely your personal thought process.
the supreme court is hearing the whole petition and not a part of it .
the payments and the question of business restart both require the involvement of the eow since
the eow have control over servers and site
the eow is investigating saol for being a ponzi scheme.
hence the eow was impleaded as a party to the supreme court proceedings.they were sent repeated notices.
they failed to turn up.so the supreme court concluded they did not have any provable charge against the company and neither did they have any substantial matter in their hand, to at least have come and pleaded for time.
hence the supreme court set up the lahoti commitee for mediation.
and hello, it’s a writ not a pubic interest litigation.
@anju
Then it seems like we’re talking about two different matters here? I limited my comment to the parts I had analysed earlier = the general functions of the Supreme Court.
Exactly which WRIT are you talking about?
WRIT 383/11 “Solomon Jemes & ORS”?
This WRIT seems to contain parts that seems to be impossible to solve in the court system. It seems like the basic idea behind this WRIT is to delay something?
In this WRIT, both parties seems to share exactly the same interests – the interests of the management rather than the interests of the average panelist. I believe the Indian court system will be able to identify that problem.
None of the solutions offered by the company seems to be within the interests of “ordinary panelists” in general. The EXIT-option is solely in the interest of the management plus a minor part of newly recruited panelists, and it will harm the interests of most panelists if it’s being used.
Similarity in interests doesn’t mean the court will rule in favour of these interests. Usually a court will rule in favour of their own judgment skills, rather in favour of some particular interest.
I haven’t studied the “Solomon Jemes WRIT” in detail, but it seems like SpeakAsia’s management are gambling on that the Supreme Court will rule in favour of one of the parties involved in it? And when both parties share the same interests, the outcome of the case should be clear?
I think my general understanding on how the court system works will have better chances for success. Supreme Courts will usually not allow a company to restart, even if two parties agree on this solution.
It sounds like you’re considering the Supreme Court to be some “minor case court”, solving the conflicts between parties in civil cases, and usually ruling in favour of one of them? They may actually rule against both parties in most of this case, even if both parties seems to agree on each and everything.
@anju
It is possible to make this case more “solvable”, but this will harm the interests of the few, or what they believe are their “real interests”. They may prefer to protect those interests instead?
The Lahoti Committee seems to have stopped on some unsolvable matters, “being unable to find solutions that includes all parties”. This usually means they have detected some problems in the current solutions that will make them unusable as a solution for the court.
The similaties in interest here is in fact a problem. Both parties seems to protect the interests of a few rather than the interests of all parties involved. This will make the solutions suggested less usable for the Supreme Court, and will only delay an outcome of the case. It should be possible to identify these problems and maybe find some solutions to them.
The case WRIT 383/11 “Solomon Jemes & ORS” doesn’t seem to be near a conclusion, even with the sequel “Lahoti Committee v. 2.0” in progress. The similarities in interests have probably made it more difficult to find any solution than to make it easier. Some people seems to have miscalculated something here when they filed this case, if their main objective was to solve something?
@anju
I’ll guess the Supreme Court will be unable to make a decision in this case, until they have the proper information they’ll need to make it.
One of the claims in WRIT 383/11 is to allow SpeakAsia to continue it’s normal business operations, “to protect the livelihood of it’s members”. This part isn’t possible to separate from the criminal case, while some other parts are possible to handle as separate issues.
This claim seems to be unsolvable in the court system when SpeakAsia is under investigation for running a Ponzi scheme (or something similar). This claim is unsolvable even with a revised business plan, because it may still harm the Public Interests in other parts of the case.
If you separate this issue from the criminal case, the Supreme Court will not have the information they need to make a qualified decision. They will have to make a guesswork whether SpeakAsia’s business model is legal or not, if allowing the company to continue will harm interests of parties involved and similar guesswork.
The lawyers involved here should have been able to identify this problem before they filed the case, which parts they can include and how it will affect the handling of a case. I will believe they’re far more experienced in how the court system works than I am.
Another part that isn’t solvable is the “allowing members to participate in SpeakAsia’s daily operations”, “to support their livelihood”. SpeakAsia didn’t have any real clients as far as we know, so it’s pretty meaningless to do some fake surveys to get parts of your money back, $20 USD per week per panel – as long as the supply of money lasts. It should be better to get all money at once, without having to do some fake work each week.
The lawyers involved seems to have done a poor job in identifying whom they really are representing, or whom their real opponents are. If you can’t handle the interest of 1.2 million people you probably shouldn’t be doing it, either.
The Bench hearing Criminal Writ Petition 3611 of 2011 has been reconstituted.
On 25.01.11 there was no hearing conducted by the new Bench and Criminal Writ Petition 3611 of 2011 has been posted for hearing on 16.02.2012.
Speakasiaonline.mobi has posted a recording of an episode of a TV serial shown om 25.01.2012 called RK Laxman ki Duniya and it has something on Silent Asia Pvt. Ltd. I have seen a few minutes of this and it is interesting.
The admin on speakasiaonline.mobi feels upset and has posted:
Silent Asia Pvt. Ltd.
-We Make Your Dreams Come True…..
Interesting!
I was chucked out of speakindiaonline.com when I wrote a show called Goongi Asia ….. 5-6 months back and nicknamed its CEO as Haram Khor. There the members could not honour freedom of speech but just about everywhere its senior leaders and management are critical of the press, TV & forums where they are criticized. These so called leaders who were sitting pretty on top of the binary ladder earning Rs 26,000/day for no effort other than encouraging their downlines to get more suckers, say they represent 20 lakh panelists (I am afraid they do not represent two IDs I hold)only want to keep the panelists brainwashed.
Thanks for the updates Navniit. I saw the Silent Asia thing but unfortunately it wasn’t subtitled in English so I couldn’t follow the dialogue (although the body langugage is pretty telling).
I tried to watch the “Silent Asia”, too. But I gradually lost parts of the concentration after the first few minutes, until I fell asleep. TV-shows in Hindi seems to be designed for a specific audience? 🙂
I can recommend the video “Melwyn Crasto being released from jail” I found there. The video shows a lot of artistic talents from the producer, like the zooming techniques and the closeup interview. This is really worth a sequel.
Some of the comments are funny, too. “Give Bahirwani a cell number” (or maybe it was “your cell number” ???). This statement can be interpreted in different ways when it’s related to an interrogation.
Quote: http://www.india-forums.com/tellybuzz/buzzin-hot/11183-speak-asia-files-a-case-against-hats-off.htm#2728884