Polaris Media Group CEO admits he is a Scientologist
After months of silence, denials and accusations of rumour spreading Polaris management have finally admitted the link between Polaris Media Group and Scientology.
In an email sent out to Polaris Media Group distributors today, Polaris CEO Shane Krider has finally broken his silence and publicly admitted he is a member of the church of Scientology.
Religious Freedom and Polaris
“There have been some comments and concerns voiced about me being a member of the Church of Scientology. I’m not here to defend my religion. What I believe is my personal choice. I don’t enforce it on others. And I certainly don’t expect them to enforce their views on me.
At Polaris we don’t practice or condone any form of discrimination – gender, race, sexual orientation or religion – because we believe that this a personal choice and it’s not relevant to the business.
I do take issue with people who discriminate on the subject of religion and confuse it with my business activities.
That’s like saying you won’t do business with someone who is Jewish or Muslim. Or refusing to buy from a Protestant or a Catholic. It’s just wrong.
Polaris is purely a business opportunity. We focus on helping people be the best they can and live a great life. If some people don’t want to participate because of my religion, that’s their choice. But instead of worrying about what I believe, look at what we do and what we produce. Judge us on the success of our distributors, our contribution to others and how we help those in need.
Polaris Media Group
Far be it from me to crucify Krider for finally coming clean, whilst I strongly disagree with his religion he is free to practice what he chooses.
What I will say though is it is well known you cannot advance in Scientology without paying vast amounts of money. That money has to come from somewhere.
For every sale a distributor makes a sizeable chunk of money finds its way back to Polaris HQ, of which Krider draws his own salary.
It is feasible that whilst Polaris on it’s own might have no business ties to Scientology, management who directly make money from the company certainly do.
What is interesting is Krider’s public acknowledgement adds fuel to the fire over discussion about the recent departure of several Polaris EMC members. Was being asked to join Scientology the last straw?
Additionally the recent claims made by ex-EMC member Elana Fraga on Scientology and Polaris are certainly given additional weight in their credibility.
As per usual Scientology policy Krider has come out and played the religious persecution card. I don’t need to reaffirm my own personal opinion of the “religion”, there’s plenty of information out there readily available on Scientology for you to review and come to your own conclusion.
Recently Senator Nick Xenophon stood up in the Australian parliament and declared Scientology a “criminal organisation”. Currently a senate inquiry is pending approval of the government.
I encourage all Polaris distributors, current, potential and past to read up on Scientology and “know for yourself” what you are potentially becoming financially involved in.
That crashing sound you hear in the distance is Polaris’s stock taking a nosedive.
That now deleted Facebook group had a comment from Tony “Delete” Rush denying that the names Polaris and North Star (back office) had anything to do with Scientology.
Just in case you didn’t know Tony was full of crap, you know now 🙂
You can bet there’s some more scientologists employed there. Maybe even top managers.
This company is no doubt a member of WISE as well. WISE is just another one of scientology’s front groups set up to bilk businesses owned by scientologists.
So scientology is profiting from this company in at least a couple of ways.
As to the cries of religious bigotry…that might hold true IF scientology was in fact a religion. But it isn’t so Krider needs to find a new argument. One that’s isn’t composed of straw.
Thankyou Shane Krider.
I am now breathing a HUGE sigh of relief as I grab some popcorn and wait for Polaris to implode- completely.
Tony Rush is as subversive and abusive as his “master” My Krider.
I have had numerous abusive emails from him like this …
“do you honestly think that I would attach ANY value to the opinion of someone who actually respects someone like you enough to be in conversation with you?”
The fact that this needs to be explained to you is the best evidence that you have a criminal mindset that’s focused on taking advantage of people. Any intelligent and honest person understands that making a purchase of ANY product is always about an exchange of value.”
So how has the criminal mind now Mr Rush
“The fact that this needs to be explained to you indicates to me that you did some research but only wanted to report something that supported your wild Scientology claims.”
Courtesy of Mr Tony Rush himself.
They’ve got a whole course in scientology on integrity! hahaha And they charge dearly for that course. But they consider themselves above society’s laws so do the math. 🙂
Hmm…my math would be Scientology + Polaris Media Group= Mass Exodus.
Seems to be correct so far 🙂
WISE membership leads to civil lawsuits for discrimination, see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Institute_of_Scientology_Enterprises for references
Scientology is bad business. Pun intended.
@Marcus. Is there a link between dentists and scientology that i don’t know about?? 🙂
Reader “J” saved a copy before it was deleted, here are the comments in question:
He’s obviously not proud of his religion going by his style of writing.
If someone believes strongly in something then shouldn’t they be proud of it, and happy to admit they are a believer/follower of a particular religion?
I get the impression he is either ashamed of his religion or worried about how it will impact on his business.
Shane’s speach today is an insult to our intelligence. By calling the company ‘Polaris’,’Northstar Marketing’ and the product ‘evolution’ does he seem to think we are all dumb?
If you go to scientology.org the slogan is ‘know yourself’ and Polaris is ‘know for yourself’.
Shane and his Polaris leadership are so deep into scientology its not funny.
Shane has religious freedom ofcourse so does everyone but what is unethical is when you tell people its a business when it is really a relgion.
For those who have resigned – Smart Move!
Would seem he knows nothing about navigation either as the ‘Polaris’ isn’t visible from the southern hemisphere… our forefathers relied on the southern cross for reference.
Maybe thats why its all falling apart for them ‘down under’??
Good to see ol’ roly rush back on the mlm wagon on twitter.. he’s flogging affiliate links again… the money must be tight with the dvd sales Tony. God loves a trier!
Somewhere in the US is an audit file with Shane Krider’s name on it.
Just to make it clear- that post above is Tony Rush, which I quoted.
Just for the Polaris people out there (are there any left?) who don’t take the time to check.
Thought I would add this e-mail I just received from Tony Rush. (This was the result of me calling him a spin doctor and asking if he was a Scientologist)
The poor dear doesnt want to debate though!!LOL
Saw your comment on my blog. I’ll answer you the only way I know how:
I’m a member of Mt. Gilead Baptist Church in Dothan, Alabama.
I’m not a Scientologist and have never been approached with any invitation
to be, whether inside Polaris Media Group or otherwise.
Nor is there anything in what we teach in our products that have anything to
do with religion nor have I ever seen anything that required me to compromise
my spiritual beliefs in order to comfortably be part of this company.
And neither have you. Nor anyone else.
The whole “Polaris Media Group is linked to Scientology” is nothing
more than an attempt of disgruntled distributors to try to criticize and
demonize a company where they didn’t get whatever results they thought
they should have gotten.
Simple as that.
You’re welcome to ask me any questions you’d like as long as they’re
based on your own search for answers. If you’re looking for a debate, you’ll
have to go elsewhere. I find that debating with people who base their
arguments on the Internet’s lies and sensationalism involves an unfair
advantage…..for me. 🙂
Then again, I guess it must be true. After all….it’s on the Internet, right? 🙂
Seriously, feel free to email me if you have legitimate questions based
on a quest for actual facts.
Executive Marketing Council, PMG
Earlier post from Boris:
1. An excellent book I would recommend to everybody here is “SHAM” Self help and actualization movement, by Steve Salerno. It is subtitled “How the gurus of the self-help movement make us helpless” and exposes how the thinly credentialed “experts” dispense worthless or even counterproductive advice on everything from mental health to relationships to diet to personal finance and business strategy. One of his quotes is “We all want so badly believe in miracles. That’s what makes us vulnerable. And that’s what makes them rich” And you know, it only costs about $25.
Dont you just love ol’ roly..
Talk about contradictions, there must be at least a dozen or so in that email.
For someone who uses the internet as his primary advertising source and encourages distributors to ‘fake it till you make it’ he has just completely cemented my suspicions that the man is as thick as two planks and an absolute moron.
Thanks for sharing the email.
Wow! The truth has finally been revealed. As a very new ex-Polarisite, want to thank Oz, also the truth (Roger), iwonder, wakeup, Cripes!!, Greg to name just a few for your efforts in helping me to see the light. I’m sure hundreds of others will feel the same. This forum would have helped many escape from the lies, deception and eventual financial ruin.
So thankyou, thankyou, thankyou. I’m feeling quite excited now … (I guess this is how Rachel Oliver feels when she buys another pair of shoes!)
Well, cheers to Shane Krider for actually coming clean and owning his affiliation with the Church of Scientology. He’s correct, his affiliation with the Church of Scientology is entirely a personal choice, and one that he is entitled to make for himself.
But he, and the rest of Polaris Media Group’s owners, employees, managers, distributors and potential distributors are naïve to believe that the affiliation with the Church of Scientology has no impact on the business dealings of Polaris Media Group. Remember, this is a company that is internally producing and selling PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT programs and there is NO WAY Polaris Media Group’s PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT PRODUCTS are not influenced and based on the teachings of the Church of Scientology. If Polaris Media Group’s distributors were selling office supplies, kitchen gadgets or chocolate perhaps Shane Krider’s arguments would hold some merit. But his argument that judging his affiliation with the Church of Scientology is akin to discrimination when it comes to evaluating Polaris Media Group as a potential business opportunity is just naïve and, quite frankly, an insult to anyone who has truly experienced any form of real discrimination.
As to whether or not the Church of Scientology is worthy of being classified as a religion, that is up for debate. Much evidence exists that would indicate the religious classification is merely a tax shelter for their highly profitable business enterprise. Many countries have granted the church religious tax exemption status, many countries have not, and even a few have banned the Church of Scientology from even operating in their country.
Now, I’m waiting for John Lavenia, Scientologist, to openly declare himself a Scientologist.
And I’m also waiting for Shannon Lavenia, Scientologist, to openly declare herself a Scientologist.
And I’m also waiting for Gene Braxton, Scientologist, to openly declare himself a Scientologist.
And Tony Rush, well I just don’t know what to believe there. In spite of his insistence that the Scientology claims were “wild” and “unfounded”, they have now been confirmed in the face of immense pressure and speculation. I don’t believe for a second that he doesn’t know anything about the Church of Scientology or the connection between Polaris Media Group and the Church of Scientology. But if that were the truth, he’s a dumb old Southern bumpkin fool. So which is it Tony? An idiot or a liar?
Now, on the issue of INTEGRITY. Well, this is IMPORTANT: I’ve been doing a little digging because this group loves to throw around the word “integrity” and many of us assume they’re talking about honesty, ethics, and a certain admirable moral code or principles. And we would be WRONG.
According to L. Ron Hubbard, founder of the Church of Scientology, the definition of integrity is this:
“What is true for you is what you have observed yourself. And when you lose that you have lost everything. What is personal integrity? Personal integrity is knowing what you know – what you know is what you know – and to have the courage to know and say what you have observed. And that is integrity. And there is no other integrity.”
Sounds like poor L. Ron may have bumped his head on the landing gear when Xenu dumped him out of the spaceship, or something.
I don’t even understand that nonsense. But I have personally heard John Lavenia describe integrity as “being whole and complete with your word”. I have also heard him say the highest level of leadership he can provide is to “make as much money as I can as fast as I can”.
So I can only deduce that in Polaris Media Group’s strange Scientology-based world when John Lavenia openly states that, as a leader, his goal is to “make as much money as I can as fast as I can” and he then engages in any manner of activities (moral, immoral?, legal, illegal?) to achieve that end result he would consider himself to have honored his word and therefore find himself to be in INTEGRITY.
My point being, ANYONE currently involved in Polaris Media Group Scientology-based “business opportunity” and anyone considering Polaris Media Group’s Scientology-based “business opportunity” deserves to understand that their definition of integrity, whether it be John Lavenia’s definition or L. Ron Hubbard’s definition, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HONESTY, MORALS, OR ETHICAL BEHAVIOR.
Here’s some more proof: if you are not familiar with the Church of Scientology’s “Fair Game” policy, you should be because it reveals the truth about how far this organization will go to get what they want, including all manner of illegal activity, abuse and even death. Things most us don’t associate with a common understanding of INTEGRITY.
If you google “Scientology Fair Game Policy” you will find a load of resources. One good one is at:
Here’s something that should be concerning to anyone involved with Polaris Media Group’s Scientology-based business opportunity, or anyone considering becoming involved: anyone deemed to be an enemy (loosely defined as anyone who is not a member of the Church of Scientology):
“May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.”
1. You join Polaris Media Group based on A LIE. Either (a) False Income Claims (remember, no history exists for the current compensation plan so any income claims at all are based on speculation and hype, not any true history) and/or (b) False Product Testimonials (remember, the products haven’t been released yet … unless the testimonials are based on SCIENTOLOGY, which will likely form the basis for the product line anyway).
2. You invest $2,000 or $20,000 or even more and you can’t turn a profit.
3. You go to the “top income earners” for advice and mentoring because, after all, that’s what they’ve promised to provide. The “top income earners” encourage you (TRICK YOU … thank you Elena Fraga for revealing this) to participate in Scientology personality tests, Scientology courses at the Hubbard College of Administration, and maybe even a Scientology auditing course or two (or 200) to help you identify what’s “holding you back”.
4. You either (a) become a Scientologist and begin spending loads of money on their expensive courses or (b) you refuse to become a Scientologist and become an “enemy”.
5. Either way, you’re screwed. DESTROYED. After all, how much advice and mentoring do you think they’re going to give an “enemy” when Scientology has openly stated it’s okay to “trick, sue, lie or destroy” its’ enemies? Or you’ve now been unwittingly and unknowingly sucked into an expensive church, a cult or an outright scam, depending on your opinion.
Sorry Shane Krider, John Lavenia, Shannon Lavenia, Gene Braxton and Tony Rush, your egos likely just sunk the Polaris Media Group’s ship as anyone who would join Polaris now is just a FOOL.
I bet Brent Payne, who rumor has it was pushed out of Liberty League after they used damaging personal information as a threat against him (another Scientology tactic, by the way), is laughing his ass off somewhere warm and free from the clutches of aliens, volcanoes and e-meters.
If Shane Krider, John Lavenia, Shannon Lavenia, Gene Braxton and Tony Rush were to insist that the “soon to be released” Polaris Media Group product line was in no way influenced by the teachings of the Church of Scientology, I would challenge them to PROVE IT.
After all, there are many, many former Scientologists who would, I’m sure, be happy to review Polaris Media Group’s PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT PRODUCTS (once they are released of course) and publicly scrutinize them for ANY Scientology terminology, teachings, philosophies, principles or influence.
Personally, I look for this group to shut down Polaris Media Group in the near future (if you’re considering purchasing a conference ticket you should STOP NOW and consider what would happen to your money if the conference never happened!), go underground, and re-emerge disguised as another entity altogether.
RT- Being part of the Catholic Religion for decades has only revealed to me that all religions do exactly what you state Scientology does. Catholicism has killed millions, brainwashed billions to fork over trillions, have molested children, have written millions of texts, influenced millions of writings with the purpose of recruiting you to there way of live. Same for all religions. Scientology is just a flea compared to truth.
Polaris going down? Well the more you marginalize a group of people, the more they seem to want to continue and the more people they will influence, the bigger they get.
Interesting to see what happens from this point forward.
I never heard of a Catholic or a Muslim or a Jew or a Hindu being asked to pay up front, many thousands of dollars for the “sacred scriptures” to be revealed. You can read all about Jesus for free. The Torah is not hidden behind copyright. The Koran is available in most public libraries. But to find out from official $cientology sources that Xenu flew millions of aliens to earth in DC8s and blew them up in volcanoes and that their remains now infect all of us except those cleared by $cientologists, will cost you close to a million dollars. This cult is truly evil…..no other word for it.
I was sucked in to this cult pyramid scam from my hospital bed after a near fatal road accident by a deceitful girlfriend who told me all sorts of stories which I stupidly believed … If you get approached by these people anywhere anytime … RUN FOR YOUR LIFE … LITERALLY !!!
Love your work RT.
Hey all this sounds very familiar….. in fact if anyone has access to Tony Rushs “friend” page and not “fan” page (I don’t he booted me when I questioned him on something) can you please check something out for me….
A little while ago he started going on about TVI (another internet home based business) on one of his status’s saying how they were a scam and to stay away from them.
Someone questioned him on his integrity and the usual spew dribbled from his large head about how his integrity in well intact thanks very much….. but the interesting thing is he pretty much used that wording above that RT quoted as his reasons for why he was justified slagging another business and why his integrity was perfectly intact.
If anyone is still his friend could you please look for this for me????? Thanks a bunch!!!!
I know some of you PMG people saw it because you also questioned him on it….
Hey there Matt. Welcome back from the twilight zone/parallel universe that is PMG. I recall that you invested a substantial amount of money in this scam and I would urge you to share your experiences here on this forum as a warning to any new potential victims out there.
You are not alone in having been sucked into this so don’t be embarrassed about speaking out.
Copied and pasted… sorry I didn’t clean it up…..
(Ozedit: I’ve cleaned it up and made it hopefully easier to read)
Tony Rush November 8 at 9:34pm
Anyone looking at TVI Express should educate themselves. Find out about a company called “Fortune In Motion”. History repeats itself.
Bill Marler November 8 at 9:36pm
It stinks of garbage….
Jay NaPier November 8 at 9:38pm
Yep! And there are alot of Suckers who are jumping right into it
Karen Leavitt November 8 at 9:59pm
I thought PMG and LLI prided itself on not bashing or dissing another business. That does not serve anyone.
Jay NaPier November 8 at 10:01pm
Hmmmm… Would it serve to allow someone to invest in something that could harm them?
-Rhonda Engle- November 8 at 10:01pm
So true Tony. Have been hit up so many times by soooo many people. I cannot recruit people that I care about and trust me to get involved with something that is illegal. so what happens in 9 months when the company folds…where is my “leadership” then. They will never trust me again.
Denise Wright Reinhardt November 8 at 10:10pm
I agree with Karen.
I did not join PMG to slam other companies. Very Disapointing!!!
Jay NaPier November 8 at 10:17pm
I’ve been in the travel business for 7 years. There are a TON of great companies. When a… Hmmm… “Questionable” one burns good people. It effects the entire industry. It’s not a slam.. It’s simply a warning.
Roslyn Bonanno November 8 at 10:26pm
A reasonable comment Mr Rush, but given the number of people I know personally who have lost their homes due to their involvement with LLI/PMG, perhaps the same exhortation to self education should be made to people checking out your business. P.S. This is no more of a negative comment than the one you made.
Mitch Thornell November 8 at 10:26pm
Anyone caught up in the business of greed should look again at themselves and what makes them tic.
Tony Rush November 8 at 10:28pm
Roslyn, if you have a comment, have one based on facts and data…not on rumors perpetuated by competitors with no ethics. Sheesh, I’m surprised any intelligent person would repeat such a thing. LOL
Denise Wright Reinhardt November 8 at 10:29pm
Here’s some more due dilligence….take a look. Very Sad how LLI scores compared to TVI….I’m starting to wonder if I joined the wrong business with all this negativity.
Jay NaPier November 8 at 10:33pm
Roslyn, look around. There are tons of business owners losing their homes. People fail or succeed based on THEIR own decisions. You can’t blame a company or a trainer for your own actions.
-Rhonda Engle- November 8 at 10:34pm
Please people!! Tony simply gave a suggestion. Be mad at me if you want to get offended at someone. Simply truth is that TVI is an illegal company. Why do you think they cannot be based in the US and why do you need to open an account outside of the US. LLI & PMG are not illegal companies to the best of my knowledge and I have no affiliation with … See Moreeither…or with TONY for that matter. If someone mortgages their house to be a part of a company then that is the dice they played and no one is to blame but themselves.
Nat King November 8 at 10:35pm
um Tony, Roslyn stated that she personally knew people who have lost their homes due to the involvement with LLI/PMG, don’t think many would consider that listening to rumours!
Nat King November 8 at 10:38pm
Rhonda – LLI/PMG may not be illegal but when there is not full disclosure about who they really are and what they stand for that can potentially get a lot of people off side (to say the least), as is evident by the mass exodus recently!
-Rhonda Engle- November 8 at 10:38pm
To Karen and Denise, Tony has every right to warn people that depend on his leadership on what to watch out for. HE DID NOT slam any company. You guys have twisted his words. I am the one that called a spade a spade.
Tony Rush November 8 at 10:43pm
Nat, mass exodus? Really? I’ve got a pretty good perspective of what’s going on in the company and all I see are growth figures that rival anything that we’ve ever had. Perhaps you should check your assumptions.
Nonetheless, thank you for self-identifying yourself as someone who relies more on rumor, gossip and innuendo than facts and data. I’ll adjust my expectations accordingly.
Tony Rush November 8 at 10:45pm
Back to the topic, look up a company called “Fortune In Motion”.
Same product: travel vouchers
Same pay plan: cycling boards.
History repeats itself. There have been so many of these illegal pyramid and Ponzi schemes over the years that it boggles the mind why anyone would get involved. Clearly it’s either out of ignorance (they don’t know that it’s a pyramid scheme) or lack of ethics (they know it’s a scam and just want to make a quick buck off someone else before the whole thing crumbles.)
A word to the wise is sufficient.
-Rhonda Engle- November 8 at 10:53pm
Tony, I do not know you but I sure would like to. I think you are a class act that could teach me a lot. Thank you for the advice and keep them coming. If you can help one person avoid a wrong turn in life then it is all worth it. Thanks for caring about others no matter the amount of insults that will be thrown at you. I learned the hard way about self education on companies, wish I had someone of your caliber around then. Thanks.
Jodie Clough November 8 at 10:54pm
Really nice to see such hatred from a “leader” of a company.
I dare say you will delete and block me as you have done to others Tony- but my care factor is pretty low.
Tony Rush November 8 at 10:55pm
Denise, why would you waste your time (or mine) in referencing a website that’s owned by LifePath Unlimited and which is SOLELY devoted to making biased comparisons to make themselves look better?
Know For Yourself. But, as I told Nat, thank you for self-identifying. I’ll make appropriate adjustments to my expectations when communicating with you.
Jodie Clough November 8 at 10:56pm
Tony… Before I go…. What do you have to say about Scientology, the EMC and Polaris?
Bye people… Tony will surely block me for this one!!!
Tony Rush November 8 at 11:04pm
Jodie, nice attempt at deflection. I have no “hatred”, as you put it. But, at the same time, I have neither the time nor inclination to entertain conversations with people that are not based on facts. Nor to stand idly by while people try to call my integrity into question.
My initial conversation was simply that there was historical precedent for companies such as TVI Express. Period. But it’s interesting to see how many attacks it’s drawn from people who have some emotional need to lash out or defend their involvement in such a Ponzi scheme.
For the record, no I’m not a Scientologist nor are any of the EMC members that were named in that rumor. But the fact that you believed it says more about you than about the gossip you’re quoting…. See More
Lastly….Jodie, you can feel free to unFriend me if you want. Frankly, if you feel the way you appear to about me and about Polaris Media Group, why would you WANT to be my “Friend” on Facebook? Surely you have more productive things to do than to sit around and sling mud on my Wall?
Best to you,
Jodie Clough November 8 at 11:11pm
Thanks for that Tony- my initial thoughts are now cemented.
All the best!
Jodie Clough November 8 at 11:12pm
Ps: I am not in TVI
Marc Tamburri November 8 at 11:14pm
Awesome. If it’s a good thing more power to everyone. There is enough room for everyone in the realm of success no matter what path they choose. I’m off to bed now. Nyquil kicking in LOL
Mitch Thornell November 8 at 11:19pm
Tony you spend a lot of time defending a position, do you think someone as smart as you could find a way to bring peace, joy and wisdom to the world without the conflict.
Jodie Clough November 8 at 11:20pm
Amen to that.
Marc Tamburri November 8 at 11:28pm
I’ve known Tony for quite some time now. Im not affiliated with LLI or PMG. I was at once. So my opinion really has no favortism. In all the years I’ve known Tony while I was in LLI and even after I left, he has always been upfront and honest about any topic brought to his attention. I don’t think someone having an opinion or informing people with facts is a bad thing. I’m quite sure he is smart enough to research his answers before he posts them. Gnight all.
-Rhonda Engle- November 8 at 11:30pm
Truly amazing to me….how people can accuse all they want but if you QUESTION anything then it is off to the fire squad. I probably could guess the political and religion views in two seconds flat. Wow, did I just say that?!
Jodie Clough November 8 at 11:52pm
Rhonda… Funnily, I agree.
Tony Bonanno November 9 at 12:08am
Just curious as to how you know that the website http://citizencorps.com/tvi-express-travel-ventures-international/ is owned by LifePath. My whois search revealed the owner as “Domains by Proxy, Inc.” Have I missed something?
Eric Youle November 9 at 2:43am
Hi Tony – just to keep to your original post – I’m interested in what did happen to Fortune In Motion – goggle throws up info, but none of it very definitive. So do you have a site that covers the rise & I assume fall of Fortune In Motion?
Deb Crow November 9 at 9:20am
That citizencorps site is very interesting in it’s rating system, however it is not up-to-date in it’s assessment of all company’s mentioned.
Marshall Stevens November 9 at 10:02am
wow I am appauled at all of you. all tony said was educate yourself about this before you join it. that is good advice no matter where you go. HOw old are all of you?
Deb Crow November 9 at 11:24am
@MarshallStevens…. we all need reminders to know before we leap, thanks to Tony he is a great source to remind us of that fact for everyone.
Tracey Ellison-Paszak November 9 at 12:03pm
All I can say after reading all of this is, I am truly amazed.
Tim Atkinson November 9 at 1:54pm
Hey Tony I give you props for saying 3 sentences and creating this response(I look at it in a positive way). Thats power my friend. Listen everyone Tony is a Guru and leader in this industry. When you are in full control of your thoughts your wisdom is almost always to mentor or change someones life in some way. It’s your choice to take what Tony said in a negative or postive way. Your answer should always be positive even if you don’t really agree…Love you all!
Paul Brady November 9 at 5:20pm
Educate yourself here. Alexa.com ranking for TVI speaks for itself. Are all those people wrong after nine months when it was launched? Hmmm.
Tony Rush November 9 at 5:28pm
Paul, you seem to be suggesting that a high Alexa search ranking equates to legitimacy.
You’re joking, right? 🙂 Once upon a time, everyone thought that the world was flat; by your implied argument, they were all correct.
Sorry….”popularity” has nothing to do with whether or not a business is legitimate. The MLM Graveyard is full of very illegal programs that were quite “popular” according to Alexa and conventional wisdom.
Bill Marler November 9 at 10:07pm
wow…. holy molly,,, what happened to this comment?? lol..
Bill Marler November 9 at 10:15pm
If u want to take some time off of TR,,, here is some TVI Dirt http://www.mlm.com/mlm/user/viewthread?thread=28555
Tony Rush November 9 at 10:20pm
Thanks, Bill — I’ll let others chase that one down if they’re interested. As you can see, some people already have their minds made up and don’t want to be confused with the FACTS. 🙂
Bill Marler November 10 at 12:05am
Its kind like when I tried to only help and warn about Global Verge…
Sandra Slice Hayes November 10 at 12:31pm
I thought we were all about the creative, not competitive plane, eh? Lots of pies, right?
Tony Rush November 10 at 12:40pm
Sandra, true. But this isn’t an issue of “competition”. It’s about the fact that the general public often gets burned by these pyramid schemes….and then, later, when they see a legitimate business they can’t make the distinction between what is legal and what is not.
Pyramid schemes, chain letters, gifting programs, Ponzi schemes, etc…..they hurt us ALL and they damage the industry. I have no qualms about warning people against them, no matter how popular they may be.
Sandra Slice Hayes November 10 at 12:52pm
Well done J.
Lifes good out here in the real world.
Does anyone know anything about this on Tony’s FB fan page?? does anyone know the dude who wrote it???
This is the convo and his response about the integrity has been deleted, it was early on in the postings!! Maybe he does read this blog Oz and got rid of it before you trusty people out there busted him yet again!!!
What I also find amusing with this dim wit is that he tells everyone else not to believe anything that is on the internet yet he posts something from the net claiming it to be true…… is this idiot for real or what!!!!
Yes! Now THAT is what I like to hear 🙂
J- enjoy your life knowing that you have escaped an enormously minipulative machine.
Is there anyone actually left in PMG apart from the EMC?? LOL
Well Tony says that the numbers are increasing so that must be true… Tony says so!
Then again maybe he has visualised that the numbers have increased and he knows what he knows so therefore the numbers have increased…. pill time!!
I thought this was funny… just got it from a friend of mine, she has since left PMG and is also chasing a refund!
“PMG has withheld money that they owed me, it’s taken 3 months to get it sorted and I still don’t have it all. I thought that we were suppose to get paid 20%-40% commissions on sales that were made to date but I’ve only received 5% commission cheques, didn’t see that in the comp plan anywhere……”
That is why they made the comp plan so confusing, they are devious and think people are lemmings and will just follow them and believe every word they say!!
PMG on FB are now going under The Self help Group- closed to anyone but members….
Sorry The self help Pro group… Emailed on from pmg- Down under on fb
A friend of mine is still waitoing for their first commission cheque – out of all tht things you would want to get right when launching a new company, surely paying the people who are keeping the company going would be the first!
Where is the integrity there??n lol
There’s also another group on FB – Polaris Media Group Australia.
(removed at the request of the author)
“Prospective investors should carefully examine a multi-level sales program to be reasonably certain it is not a pyramid scheme which emphasizes recruitment of distributors rather than retail sale of the product” – found this on BBB, interestingly though isn’t that what PMG are doing, emphasis on recruiting??
Sure that’s what they’re doing, but it’s ok because they have some videos that go on about the ‘retail opportunity’ and getting lots of ‘retail customers’.
Hands up who has thousands of dollars to spend on conferences and self help books without the chance to make a ‘six figure income’!
(cue crickets chirping)
I found this board in a search and was stunned and disturbed at what I found here. I had gone to LA for the announcement of Polaris Media Group in August and returned somewhat confused about the change-over. Needless to say, nothing prepared me for the discovery of the company’s link to Scientology. When I first read it, of course, I dismissed it… “whatever you search for on the internet, you are sure to find”. What about “where there’s smoke, there’s usually fire”? So, I began to connect my own dots. I remembered back to a previous team call wherein two terms which I had never heard before, nor was familiar with, were used to illustrate a point in the discussion. A search of those terms led me straight to the Scientology handbook, and to a book written by L. Ron Hubbard, which I confirmed (after reading somewhere on one of your blogs) is listed on the recommended reading list on John Lavenia’s website. I felt that I was being “indoctrinated”. This was all before Shane Krider’s email.
I have searched out and read enough about Scientology since to Know for Myself With Absolute and Complete Certainty that this is an organization that I do not want to be associated with in any way, shape or form. If distributors can be “indoctrinated” on a team call discussion, what about the unsuspecting public that buys the products that are being internally produced by admitted Scientologists? My conscience will not allow me to participate. To me, that is integrity.
My thoughts exactly.
I am having alot of trouble trying to understand why people I know have stayed (very few of them).
The fact that they know about the Scientology link, but are still staying, and still not “earning” any money…well it is slightly worrying.
I imagine it is due to them having lost so much so far and being scared to leave. But as I said to someone on here once- Is it better to lose 50k or 100?
Get out while you can people.
Wake. Up. PLEASE!
Very interesting you say that Cripes!!.
I went on the Friday morning Wake-up call, and have a totally different perspective now that I am enlightened with the truth. Rachel Oliver was saying that over the last month she has earned over $60K in residual income! True or not – who knows? But I’m sure this statement would even further frustrate your friend. And of course everybody else that is going through the same thing.
The leaders during “sharing time”, were still banging on about how plugging into Beyond Freedom EVOLUTION, has given them the tools they needed for success, helped identify and overcome limiting beliefs, ensure they are “at cause”, etc, etc. Beyond Freedom EVOLUTION has not even been released yet, so it’s just more deceit.
Please, if you are looking into this “business”, then heed all the warnings here so you can “Know For Yourself”.
One thing I will say-
I will never forget at “Super Saturday” on the Gold Coast…just after John Lavenia left the satge for the umpteenth time.
Me in my super brainwashed state….
He walks past…
I say hello……..
He could not even look me in the eye. Couldn’t say hello. Looks at the ground.
I always remember that moment as it seemed he was ashamed, and COMPLETELY different when he was off the stage.
Just a thought.
@iwonder… I seriously doubt he was ashamed. In all the years I have been involved here with LLI/Polaris, that is one word that I would never attribute to John Lavenia.
Did you make your lose much money with Polaris Media Group / Lilberty League?
Sorry, meant make OR lose much money.
@Fred… in all honesty and with personal integrity, I will tell you that I fully positioned myself in LLI back in 2003/2004 and then proceeded, for various reasons, to Not work my business. Because I didn’t actually work it, I have to take personal responsibility for that. I’m not going to blame anyone or anything for my lack of working. Whether I would have actually met with success, or made any money at all, will forever remain unknown. I guess a better way of describing it would be that I squandered my money.
I will add this, though…. I made my own decision to purchase the BF program and the Liberty conference ticket. However, I do feel that my Advisor created a false sense of urgency to apply pressure on me to position myself at the Summit level. I bought it… his tactics and the ticket.
But hasn’t it only been in Australia for two years? Are you from another country?
@Fred… I’m in the US
I believe the person who bought this dodgy business to Australia is Kaz Spence from the Gold Coast. I’m pretty sure her daughter is in the business too, Melinda Spence. I’m unsure to why the person who actually introduced this business and has costed Australians millions of dollars just seems to fly under the radar? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4AxJcV7LzM. I met once – not nice, very fake
Unfortunately, I am losing alot of respect for people I once called friends.
I will be there for them if they need me, but under no circumstances can I condone what they are doing.
I do however think that some people still kid themselves that they can still be in Polaris (though why they would want to I have no idea) and not get into Scientology.
Yes…I know that he wasn’t I suppose…maybe a better word was “embarassed”.
@iwonder: have you ever listened to one of his black belt marketing calls? He begins the call with the disclaimer (paraphrased) “this call is not scripted; it’s in your face, very “street”; these are my views and not necessarily those of the company; if I say something that offends you, you’ll get over it”.
He and Shannon spent several years as THE top income earners (I believe Wendy Stevens finally broke their long standing record). Now, with Brent Payne gone, it appears that he and Shannon, along with Gene Braxton, are now at the pinnacle of the company along with Shane Krider. Wasn’t it said on this forum that he and Shane were the co-authors of the new BF Evolution course?
Doesn’t sound like he’s “embarrassed” at all.
Michael Berry came first… from the US. Lots of LLI’ers began marketing in Australia some time ago.
From what I gather once in Scientology you very quickly lose your non-scientology friends and (non-business) associates and become reliant on the Scientology community.
Perhaps the same is true when you join MLM companies run by Scientologists?
It started in the US roughly 8-9 years ago.
Then they came to Australia roughly just over 2 years ago (probably closer to 2.5 years now).
It seems people in the US are a lot more dormant when it comes to scams then us Aussies. All the company’s troubles started after they began to mainstream advertise Polaris (then Liberty League International) here.
Who came first, Spence or Michael Berry?
After over 6 weeks awaiting refund (Received $1000 back so far, and $2000 more agreed but still not in the bank!
Funny story – Amidst the wait for refund, yesterday I received a priority paid cheque for $5!!!
I’m confident I’ll get it back. I figure 1 more week before I go nuts.
You know PMG were ripping the return account numbers from consignment notes of the deliveries, so purchasers were unable to return goods? …I’ve documented the entire saga – LOVELY.
No, I don’t think I have heard him on the calls.
If I have I don’t remember so he hasn’t made much of an impact…lol
Disaffected – good on you mate. Good luck with getting your money – i understand the company is in the financail poo – I have also heard of others that havent been apid commission that were due – so good luck. Like I have posted before now that it has been publicly disclosed that this company is owned and run by scientologist – do you really think you can trust them?
“But instead of worrying about what I believe, look at what we do and what we produce. Judge us on the success of our distributors, our contribution to others and how we help those in need.”-Shane Krider
Seems I remember some years ago, the mantra was… “Liberty League is not something I DO; it’s WHO I AM”. I’m not so sure you can separate, or compartmentalize, what you believe in and what you do… aren’t one’s actions congruent with what one believes? After all, “congruency” is also something that was preached in LLI.
@oz… John Lavenia does not have white hair/white moustache, but Michael Berry does.
I thought that was santa.!
I haven’t listened to many calls but the few where I’ve heard him he always stands out due to his US accent amongst all the Australians.
He’s the guy with white hair and white moustache.
Oh oops I thought that’s who iwonder was talking about. Nevermind me :).
Kaz Spence may well have been the first
Aussie to join LLI, but Michael Berry is credited with the decision to begin markting LLI in Australia. He signed up Rachel Oliver and
‘shabing shaboom shabang”(to use Rachel’s words) the rest is history.
history is right.
Rachel’s still oozing so much confidence. On the wake-up call yesterday, while speaking about 500 words per minute, she was excitedly saying she is picking there to be 1000 people at the Kickoff event in January, and gloating about having 35 leads in her inbox overnight (unsuspecting victims).
Another interesting point to note is that she is not sleeping well. I remember a post somewhere further back, how a reader was wondering how they (the leaders) can sleep at night. Rachel said she was awake at 2am, as she’s so excited about the business, so she rang in on the American Wakeup call. I reckon it would certainly be alot more worry than excitement ….
She is full of it – Id be very suprised if there is any event in 2010 – a last deserate attempt to get some money together
Hi Guys, back from the bush, and reading this thread, a good week just got better.
Where are all the spin-scripters trying to explain all this away as sour grapes or whatever? They have abdicated the fray? 🙂
I heard through the grape vine – Ms McKenzie from NZ claiming that non of the “leaders” have made in money since 090909 !!
my source is credible and yes – this and other credible info I have about events – makes me believe that it is all over bar the shouting – and there will be plenty of that.
the power of networking 🙂
you and me both mate 😉
do you think they will bring their ray guns and speed of light DC8?
tom will be happy
Welcome back Roly.
Isn’t this news just brilliant?
And yes….a few Polarisites who were quite vocal before have now disappeared.
I can almost HEAR Rachel Oliver’s brain (?) ticking over now.
At the next event they should run the Alient theme for their fancy dress night. LOL thats if associates can actually afford to hire a costume by then he he
yes …from Polaris
If she did claim that, it would be similar to what Fraga said after she quit. She said she made $900 in 2 months working 80 hours a week.
Hmm so in a few months I’m going to have a bunch of broke and pissed off Scientologists after me.
If by “ray guns” and “speed of light DC-8’s” you mean “army of lawyers” then yes. Yes I do.
I might as well just get it over with and join the church now…
Why would they need to hire a costume, aren’t we all aliens from some planet far, far away?
Is it true that Cassandra Rigbye is now also gone??? She looked dodgy and sick as the “training” we had on that Friday night down on the Coast, when the EMC were doing their around Aus training sessions that Shane flew out here especially for. She couldn’t look anyone in the eye and took off directly after the session, she absolutely looked out of sorts!!
My pick is that they will all be gone soon enough. Once the Jan events dont happen – they will have nothing to sell and no credability. The “center” group will probably regroup and setup another new name and try and reestablish.
I agree – apparently John Lavenia’s forthcoming event in Melbourne is now free!
“Talk about abundance..I have just received an email from John Lavina Enterprises advising that the event in Melbourne on 12 December is now free. The email said to pass on the link to his web site so that others can register and attend for free also, enjoy http://www.johnlavenialive.com”
Thanks – but no thanks!
jesus, or should I exclaim Hubbard, they must be desperate
Did you see the crap disclaimer on his site, these people make me sick. I love they way they keep joking about everything!
well a free seminar is a good selling point i suppose
@Cripes!! & wakeup
Wow I can’t believe Lavenia is now giving away his Melbourne event for free now. Going from what, it was $700 and something a few days ago to $0 is quite a big jump.
Very interested to see what happens now with Polaris’ conferences next year.
His only selling point now that they are going DOWN in a spectacular fashion!!! I see they are also leaving LA and heading to Tucson
Interesting you say that – I was on the Wakeup from the weekend call about an hour ago. Not only the FREE ticket to the Kick-off event in January, when a BFE course is purchased, but now FREE ticket to the 1-day Foundation Live event, when the Sovereignty and Influence conferences (the really expensive ones) are purchased.
wow – we’d all better rush out (excuse the pun) and buy up a few
OMG are you serious, if people can’t see what they are doing with these tactics then more fool them. This is hilarious, how desperate must they be???
I also see Katrina Murray is still posting those damn ugly hand written yellow signs all around Brisbane, I managed to remove a few but there are still heaps everywhere. I know that we don’t usually name names on here however I have used her name because it is actually on her signs that she has posted everywhere!!
What a great way to recruit new members into Scientology..
It’s desperate and disgusting!!
shows how desparate they are, all these freebies!
Whats with the ‘cloak and dagger’ stuff from Lavennia’s website? Is he afraid of publicly revealing the location for his Melbourne event for some reason??
” 12 December 2009 Melbourne, Australia
Location Revealed to Registered Attendees”
My guess is that they have not booked anything yet. When they get the number of registrations then they will book the venue.
Can’t wait to see what ‘5 star’ establishment they pick for this one though history would suggest that it will be held in some long abandoned sweat shop of a premises where everyone will have to bring their own chair!!
What a joke of a set up. Lavennia… another freaking nutcase!
I know a good scout hall…
Seriously – they havent booked ventues for their Jan “events” either – probably for the same reason.
The good ppl who actually buy into their BS and have spent money
i feel for
Actually I suspect the reason they have kept the venues quiet is because of a group called “Anonymous” that are known for organizing mass Scientology protests (while wearing masks) in the general vicinity of Scientology events and churches. Given the recent Polaris Media Group publicity as well as other Scientology-related media stories there in Australia my guess is a Lavenia event would be ripe for an “Anonymous” protest. Gee, kinda makes me want to go buy a mask and a plane ticket to Melbourne.
I don’t know how Polaris Media Group would keep their other events off the grid, though. Maybe Xenu hand delivers your super secret invitation along with a map and a decoder ring. I just wish there were capes involved. If there were capes I’d probably be BACK IN.
yes this coloured ring thing – how stupid – is it do they can regonise each other ?
Gosh, I forgot about the rings! A different color for each product level you complete. Sounding more scary all the time.
check this crazy stuff out – all about their “fair game” rubbish
havent been follwoing this for a while – it just get clearer and clearer and more and more insane
Its the trigger cases that got me involved in the first place 😛
Haha, LOVE the pic Martin 😛
WTF???? Regardless of whether Shane’s Sciti beliefs are part of this new BF Evolution and other products or PMG at all for that matter, would you really want to be a part of someone’s business that believes in this shit????
Also the truth: Trust has nothing to do with my confidence. Its the lovely set of documentation I have – they have agreed to the refunds, I have some interesting documentation from Fedex, I am very pursuasive and am slightly evil at times. >;-p
Anyway its been 4 days ( of which 2 were the weekend). This morning I sent my follow up email, and if I dont have a reply by Friday, it looks like it will be Fair Trading next. i *will* get the money back!
Once thats out of the way i’ll write my story – very funny if it wasnt such a ripoff!
“Rachel’s still oozing so much confidence. On the wake-up call yesterday, while speaking about 500 words per minute, she was excitedly saying she is picking there to be 1000 people at the Kickoff event in January, and gloating about having 35 leads in her inbox overnight (unsuspecting victims).”
OOzing with confidence????
I met Rachel at the one day Sydney (watever it was), and i can tell you i have never seen a person so nervous…. She was sucking back on her coffin nails(smokes) like a nervous death row inmate….OOZIng Confidence? OOzing ciggie smoke…I guess thats where she gets her smoke and mirrors effects,, form her own smoke machine… I’ll also reafirm with what nameless said here…
“””I will add this, though…. I made my own decision to purchase the BF program and the Liberty conference ticket. However, I do feel that my Advisor created a false sense of urgency to apply pressure on me to position myself at the Summit level. I bought it… his tactics and the ticket.”””
I had the same problem with my sponsor, she didn’t mention Marketing and or other things I REALLY NEEDED TO DO, even after i bought B/F, she only put the pressure on to POSITION MYSELF, so no real time to even get to know the product…
Man i’m so burnt with this crap goin on with all the marketing this and that bizo’s…. This is one Dude who’s only goin to use the net from now on to do my banking and emails…
I’m goin back to a traditional biz where DECEPTION is not one of the REQUIRED FIELDS I NEED TO FILL IN!!!
OVER AND OUT!!!!
told u so …
So I hear John and Shannon Lavenina have pulled the pin on Polaris – ‘rats from a sinking ship’ perhaps?
I too believe they will regroup – watch out for the slimy new group to emerge (probably krider in the background) John Lavenia, Shannon Lavenia, Gene Braxton, Tony Rush, and probably some smaller aussie names that play the game too like Kaz Spence she was always right up Johns arse – even organising his Last event.
It wouldn’t surprise me. These people have been scammers their whole life…it’s all they know.
well done well done well done all! bring it on ex pmger’s and future expmger’s.
After this weeks resignations of Lavenia’s and Braxton…….the BBM call today was about (yes still) the leadership factory and how people come and go in your life blah blah blah, not to mention Rachel mentioning some gucci shoes ( really helps associates who have remorgaged their houses).
We are not a bunch of girlfriends that part ways, this is /was a business and the top line management has just resigned. I get more facts from this forum than from the company who distributes my products, which by the way still have not arrived in the mail to my customers……. 2 months later!!!!!!!
Wont even bring up my lack of reimbursement so far!……………………..
Tony Rush has left the building …
Don’t be too hard on yourself, littleone. We all learn the hard way. Best we can do now is this post and possibly head off others who can easily fall prey. There will be regrouping and disguises, but the come on will be the same with scammers. Just beware!!..anybody reading these posts that people lie and even believe their own lies. I am glad to have learned my lesson, though maybe could have learned it somewhere else without it being so costly. So ironic though that the scam is “Personal Development and Life Coaching”. All of them are overpriced nonsense. Even the “Beyond Freedom” good product that it is, was scammed into the Liberty/Summit conferences: major hype with mostly newbies and EMC “superstars” hawking BS. The house of cards is surely crumbling, but another one will find its way…just “BE”…No BEWARE!! They have NOTHING to offer…unless you are one of them.
The daughter got me! Now I need to rebuild my life… am getting legal advice as I type and have lodged enquiry with ACCC… will keep you posted…
am doing this all confidentially as I dont want the same repercussions as poor Matt Towner who was ‘named and shamed’ by this seemingly ethical community I recently joined.
I cannot believe this is happening to me… I must have some serious lesson(s) to learn from this experience? Ouch….
I’ll just leave this here then;
Senator Nick Xenophon
I was sucked in by Mel Spence too, I thought she was a nice person – silly me! I went to Youtube and that video has been removed by the user.
If I were these people I would be changing my name, how the hell will Rachel Oliver get ajob if people know how she is – she’ll have to go and get a J-O-B eventually when her fake world crumbles and the bank comes looking for the money for her Porsche.
I understand why you wish to do this in a confidential manner. Please know I would be involved in legal action too if people are willing to take a class action against LLI, Michael berry and Melinda Spence.
I am happy for Oz to pass on my details to you. I am not sure how I would go about given LLI no longer exists, but if I could just get my money back I would be happy. Fat chance hey.
What happened to Matt Towner? The poor guy, that’s terrible if they did that. They deserve to go down for the destruction they’ve caused in so many peoples’ lives.
Do you think Nick Xenophon would help?
Maybe Senator Xenophon will help.
I approached the co. for a refund on the (over) $10K spent on the next “conference”. Guess what the response was?
A big fat NO with a pathetic side offer to try and appease me. This is very very bad.
Carla – read other posts to see what happened to Matt Towner – I certainly dont want those types of repercussions as I try to rebuild my life financially and emotionally.
As for people who are posting saying they are not making money because they are not ‘working’ and must take personal responsibility for this – I have worked very hard at this and spent a fortune on not only tickets, products, leads and a trip os but also on marketing materials – all for the result of so far earning – wait for it – no surprises here – ZERO return.
Everytime I question anything I am told the problems relate to me and that I am in the wrong mindset, focussed on the wrong things etc. Nice one – take all my money and then make me feel like the reason it doesnt work is all related to my personal failings.
Makes me sick to my guts and makes me realise this company was never going to support me – personally or vocationally. More fool me. Have now contacted my lawyer to see what action I can take.
I know this is of little comfort, but I know how you feel and I too have dealt with the sickness that only being in LLI now PMG can bring once we wake up to the sham/scam and the reality that those who sucked us in are disingenuous people who fake being nice and really have no conscience at all.
And of course, they turn it all around us when we don’t succeed because it’s nothing to do with the system being fraught with problems and the whole thing being a plain rip-off.
I know of a lot of people who would be keen to be in a class action, me included. Littleone, if your lawyer thinks it would be worth it then I would join you in fighting the scumbags to get our money back. Were you in LLI or PMG? It’s a tricky situation because I was in LLI and they don’t exist anymore, but there are plenty of other people in the same boat – maybe we could find a way to sue them in a class action.
I am happy for Oz to give you my email address if you would like to contact me regarding this and I had someone contact me only this week about getting a lawyer so am sure we could round up a few people to be in a class action.
Oz, if this were the case, would you mind creating a new thread to alert people to it and they could join the list? I would think there would be keen lawyers out there as they could make a lot of $$$ and when we win, our costs would be paid anyway.
If you guys manage to co-ordinate something with the same lawyer I’m more then happy to do a writeup.
My only ask would be that the lawyer or firm provide some information and guidelines and maybe some criteria for people to follow as I’m no lawyer myself.
Wow – this website it great. I have recently left PMG – no wonder they told us not to click on this website… it hold the truth!
I came in ‘full boat’ as my leader said to follow in her foot steps, silly me! I have tried to get a refund twice from PMG, and surprise, they said NO! I am keen to connect with others seeking professional advice.
Carla, you seem like a good person to connect with, can you please get my details from Oz and let me know what action you are taking. I believe there will be power in numbers!
No worries surprised, I’ve forwarded your contact details onto Carla.
One or two people on here have made reference to getting legal advice and I’ve been trying to get in touch with them as to whether their lawyer would be keen to launch a class action.
I don’t have a lawyer myself and agree it would be more efficient and effective for us to group together and take on LLI/PMG. I simply want my money back, that’s all I would ask for which for the pain and suffering I experienced is a pretty reasonable ask in my opinion.
Hopefully someone comes on here soon who has a legal rep who is ready to roll with our cases. Sorry can’t help you right now, but if anyone reads this who is in that position please shout out.
Thanks Carla. Please let me know if you make any progress. I wouldn’t know where to start, but more than happy to join forces.
I was only in LLI/PMG for a short time, I started just before the Event in August last year on the GC. When did you start? It sounds like you were in for a while.
I have accepted that I probably won’t get my money back, and take full responsibility of my actions, although I do whatever I can to try.
Kaz Spence is at it again….. this time she is poised to be one of the Rip Off leaders in the Brent Payne personal development company, faking nice, pretending to care about others when all she cares about is getting away with your money and continuing her superficial existence.
WATCH OUT she coming for your cash. She told people she was making big money when LLI became PMG and she wasn’t. Beware she lies.
Watch out for both Kaz and the daughter Mel – very fake – very superficial – very money hungry – very very bad. Once bitten, twice aware!
Do not fall for ANYmore of their scams unless you are willing to try and pick up the pieces of your life once they are done with you and have moved on.
They will tell you what you want to hear, gladly take your money and then jump ship if it’s not going their way. FAKE FAKE FAKE….and just plain WRONG…Be very aware….
If anyone wants to personally call Shane Krider and voice your disgust and dissapointment in his values, character, or deceptive practices…Please call his cell phone the # is (number removed). Karma will catch up with him.
Shane Kriders cell Phone (number removed).
Hey Burned, you’re welcome to voice your opinion on any of the articles on BehindMLM (sans non-constructive name calling) but please refrain from publishing personal details such as phone numbers of people.
I wouldn’t be bothered to call Shane. Why stoop to their pathetic level and vent anger at them? They are clearly very messed up people to take people for such a ride.
Lavenia came from Tuscon while at LLI
I understand Kaz went Bankrupt. I personally sunkt almost $250k into the LLI, but couldn’t take anymore after the PMG cr@p
Class action won’t work it has been tried. the agrrement you signed at the outset had na arbitration clause. Been there done that 🙁