Polaris Media EMC asked to attend Scientology courses
Since writing about the public connection between Scientology and Polaris Media Group a lot of accusations and claims have been thrown around as the discussion ran hot.
There’s been a lot of claims made and from what I gather the revelation of the link, which up until only recently hasn’t been publicised with any concrete proof, has made a lot of people uncomfortable.
Up until now I’ve been written off by Polaris EMC as spreading rumours, despite the fact that I didn’t tell the Lavenia’s to promote Scientology or doctor the Facebook image in which they do so.
Well it seems at least one ex-EMC member has decided to speak out.
Confidentiality agreements, plummeting incomes, mass resignations, deception and the definite link between Scientology and Polaris Media Group have been recently brought to light.
Elena Fraga joined Polaris Media Group (formerly Liberty League International) back in 2007. In March 2009 she was awarded Liberty League’s ‘Associate of the month’ award and was promoted to Polaris EMC in May of this year.
After news of Polaris Media Group distributors promoting Scientology courses broke, it wasn’t long before Elena resigned.
As You well know, My vision is to educate, train and assist people from all over the world to improve their lives, personally and financially, regardless of background, religion, ethnic origin or language.
That’s my passion and will always be.
I have nothing against Scientology, although I know that it is considered a controversial cult in some countries and a religion in others. I know that there is a lot of controversy, a lot, and I don’t want to be a part of or associated with. Period. I don’t even like to talk about the subject.
It’s interesting that for someone with seemingly a strong religious tolerance, Scientology is where Fraga draws the line.
More importantly how does one get into the upper echelons of a company without realising the connection with Scientology? Fraga continues;
One fact that I can share here is that I was asked by the leadership of Polaris to take courses at the Hubbard School of Administration. I was told that they would help me on my leadership role in the company.
I was told that I needed to improved my Communication Skills and I needed that course I paid it as requested but I did not go. I cancelled at the last minute.
I did not know, at that time, that the Hubbard School of Administration is actually part of the Scientology Church.
What is clear here is that the direction Polaris leadership are taking is to get their EMC members along to Scientology courses, without any disclosure about the fact the course is run by Scientologists.
This mind you is at the executive level. One can only wonder how far the deception runs as it gets diluted right down to a new distributor within the company.
Fraga also mentions that “Many EMC members are converting to Scientology” strongly indicating that Scientology indoctrination might indeed be a prerequisite to rise to the upper ranks of Polaris. This has been hinted at before but I’ve never actually seen it claimed outright by anyone who was involved in the Polaris EMC.
So why hasn’t any of this come to light previously?
Claims about Scientology and Polaris stretch back well before Liberty League changed its name but it is only up until recently that there has been public discussion about it.
Well as Fraga explains, there’s one very good reason.
Are you asking me for my opinion about the change from Liberty League International to Polaris Media Group? Because You know that I can’t tell you my opinion (or my assessment, rather) without violating a confidentiality agreement that we had to sign
Ah confidentiality agreements within Polaris Media Group executive management. Well that certainly explains a lot now doesn’t it.
Repeatedly we’ve been told that Polaris Media Group has nothing to hide, yet it’s management are subject to confidentiality agreements? Forgive me if I make the assertion that something definitely does not add up here.
At this stage the public can only wonder what secrets are contained within these agreements. The very existence of them though goes some length to explain the reluctance of Polaris EMC members to publicly address specific concerns and issues directed at them.
Fraga also details gross discrepancies, manipulation and outright deception in the running of Polaris;
I can mention, though, that some things are just too obvious to the public. I don’t want to be the cause of financial casualties. Someone has to say something.
Almost All Top earners (except those working in the main offices) are Gone. I personally went from making a substantial income to close to zero income (well, $900 in 2 months working 80+ hours a week) helping everyone, without tools. I got into financial uncertainty, just as most of you guys there.
Opps did I say that?
Almost All the income testimonies we hear on the calls, if not all, are of incomes created under the old compensation plan, that is, the LLI comp plan, even though was “processed” after the change.
That’s also public knowledge. I can share that
-Product testimonies are given even though the real products are not out in the market yet.
If this is what Fraga is willing to disclose with confidentiality agreements in place, one can only wonder just how much more is being hidden from its own distrubutors and the general public.
Recently Polaris EMC held a ‘crisis meeting’ and EMC members from around the world were flown into the US for a meeting. What was discussed in this meeting is anyone’s guess but apparently there is a ‘big announcement’ to be made this Friday morning on the ‘Friday morning wakeup call’.
Sending out this quick message to let you know that we have a VERY EXCITING announcement to make on this weeks Friday morning wake up call!
This announcement will be exciting for your guests on the line & equally exciting for Polaris Distributors!
Lets pack out the call guys! Be the FIRST to hear the news!!
Whether the two are related or not is unclear but certainly it appears that the EMC are intent on presenting a ‘business as usual’ front for the public, despite what may or may not be going on behind the scenes.
Of course when confronted with the information presented here, Polaris leadership will just dismiss and write off the information here as rumour and speculation.
As always, make of that what you will.
wow – no doubt now
It seems the ship is sinking.
the truth always finds a way. OZ why the ads for Scientology? Ad revenue…fine and to expose? Equal forum? Hopefully no one will be caught up in something that can be hiding a dark secret.
OMG I saw Today Tonight and it sent even more shivers down my spine about scientology. I cant beleive I was promoting scientology disguised as personal development by LLI/Polaris. It makes me sick! Its so wrong and totally deceptive. Shame on Shane Krider and EMC inner circle.
HC, the ads are targeted to automatically appear anywhere the cult and related key words are mentioned.
google AdWords.
Hey Oz
Popping the champagne now!! Where are Elana’s quotes from? Did she e-mail you or what??
Elana’s comments come courtesy of the tail end of a Facebook conversation… which I believe has since been entirely deleted.
Nothing to hide there!
how can any of these (edited) now deny association with the Church of Scientology – Elena was widely respected in LLI – being a Harvard grad lawyer and known for her honestly and integrity – unllike most of the others there.
Did anyone who was once part of Polaris listen to the special announcements this morning??? The are giving away free tickets to their next Super Saturday in January for free if you “activate” at the Beyond Freedom Curriculum level. Not very exciting really…. Did happen to catch though that Rachel has just signed an 18 year old, seems they are getting younger and younger! She’s also changing her stories now on her journey here and has gone from Blonde to Brunette… do you think shes in disguise hahahahahaha kidding!!!
My hero on the phone this morning was some dude called Glen who jumped out during “sharing time” and asked about the guest speaker for the next event because he wanted to meet Tom Cruise, was hilarious and everything went silent! Dumb ass’s!
What did Oliver change about her story?
OMG he was totally taking the piss, it was sooo funny!!! Yeah the tickets are about $400 AUD and it’s their own event so costs them jack shit woop dee doo…. im going to keep my eye out on the Team Down Under website where they post all their calls to see if it pops up, its not there yet and they might even chop it out before posting it. Rachel did say that if he had a question to save it for “question time” at the end of the call but I noticed they didn’t end up having “question time”, maybe they were to scared in case they were going to get asked some curly questions!!
Is that all… Super Saturday tickets are what $300 or so and activating beyond freedom costs a couple of grand. Kind of like buying a car and getting a free set of steak knives.
I guess it’s kind of clever though, giving away tickets to the saturday doesn’t exactly cost Polaris anything and they get bums on seats for sales event.
Would love to hear the audio of the Tom Cruise question hah, was he taking the piss or serious?
Sorry didn’t see this until now. Started telling people how her business exploded after attending this same event in Sydney when for the past 5 months since I have known her she has always told us her business exploded after her first conference. There was absolutely other things but sorry I cannot think off the top of my head right now so i do apologise, im busy putting all my info together to take the my solicitors to get my refund so my mind is elsewhere. When they post the call listen to it if you are a previous member of Polaris you know where they are posted, just remember listening and thinking what a liar she was!!
Also did anyone else know that her team in her old MLM business that she was a part of for 4 years joined her in her first year in Liberty League, which is one of the reasons she made so much in her first year, not from attending a conference!! Ask the people of Herbalife!! Yet her and Shane are telling us to question the integrity and ethics of people who are cross marketing into Polaris currently with everyone leaving in droves, double standards people.
Check out what you can on another company called Dream Deposit – nearly all the Australian EMC have bought a franchise in that together!! Don’t believe me, that info came from another EMC person who left….. so we called the number the other day and asked to speak to Rachel Oliver, confirmed yeah its her business but unfortunately she was unavailable. The website has been built by another person who is part of Polaris but owns a Web Design business on the Gold Coast!
yes she is very much full of SHIT – we know that. And a new look – trying not to be such a dizzy blonde bimbo ha
No doubt Delwyn McKenzie, Keryn West and all the other loyal blonde bimdo will go brunette as well now
Talk about individiality – not
I think I will change my name now to my real name – Ive aleady been threatened with legal action from Ms Oliver – but she is stupid enough to not figure out i live in a different country!!
That must have been part of what the LA “crisis meeting” with the top leaders was about; to come up with some new bullshit stories
Polaris admits Scientology link? Facebook group:
What a wonderful circle they weave. On the links page of easyhomes.net.au is a recommendation and link for John Lavenia’s book Integrity is Everything (ha ha). On Lavenia’s site his testimonials list begins with none other than Rachel Oliver saying “You are certainly the talk of the town – the Aussie’s love you!” I wonder do they all sleep in the same big bed at conferences.
Ive read some where that the do practice bacchanalia ( Bed swapping)
talk of the town alright – and how is this thing from McKenzie?
I think you guys are full of crap, so Polaris EMC are branching out into other fields, so what, isnt that a good plan for any astute business person, to diversify, dont put all your eggs in one basket. This doesnt mean they are jumping ship, the other business they may or may not be involved in seems to be in real estate, since when did PMG have an interest in real estate, so no evidence of conflict of interest then… Get a life guys and find something else to do
Your life must need a reality check Phil if you are whingeing about the exposure of scams.
There’s just too much intertwining of the whole farce for people to be other than suspicious of new ventures set up by those involved in old cons. Looks like they are jumping from the Titanic onto the Marie Celeste. When Colin posts here about jumping into his “Lambo”, then surely people have a right to be suspicious.
Yeah thought so, they just added her pic to their profile. Oh well, it’s still true though, even if it’s not her.
I had a look into this, although I haven’t called to confirm Rachel Oliver has anything to do with it.
However hosting wise there doesn’t seem to be many degrees of seperation. If you have a look at the bottom of Dream Deposit you’ll notice it was designed by ‘Web Design Gold Coast‘ which seems to be some web design franchise company.
This particular gold coast branch seems to be run by a Lee Anne Bartlett.
A google cache page for a Lee Anne Bartlett on Facebook clearly has Polaris Media Group listed in the ‘Services’ category.
Additionally it seems ‘Web Design Gold Coast’ has had a facelift recently as the google cache for the site is different to the current site.
If you have a look at the cache you’ll note the first site on the portfolio is Dream Deposits, and if you scroll all the way down the bottom the last site, OnlineBusinessWealth, is clearly a Polaris Media Group distributor site.
If you visit OnlineBusinessWealth you’ll notice a placeholder up the top for LovingLifeNow.com.au, this domain name is of course registered to none other then the very same Lee Anne Bartlett.
Suspicious yet?
If Rachel Oliver and the rest of the Polaris Media Group Australian EMC are indeed involved with Dream Deposits they wouldn’t be the first distributors to do so.
Remember Lamborghini Colin? Colin runs ChangeItAllNow with his wife, if you visit the site you can see their photos.
Now have a look at EasyHomes.
Look familiar?
Phil – what I was getting at is as associates/advisors we are told time and time again that we are under no circumstance allowed to be involved in other businesses, so I am assuming that you are or were not ever involved with PMG or if you are you must have missed that memo!! In fact my advisor who is part of the EMC has openly told us that she is a one woman business and would never do anything else however she is involved in this and other businesses.
I agree that branching as an entrepreneur is a fabulous thing to do but DO NOT tell other people they cannot and then you go do it yourself!!! Again another double standard!!!
I see they have left the status on the wall on FB about the waiting on the statement to deny the fact they are linked to scientology, wonder if they are going to announce something soon???
@Vince
I don’t think that’s her, there’s a facebook profile with her name with an actual photo and friends list etc.
I think someone’s just playing funny buggers unfortunately.
Phil – what I was getting at is as associates/advisors we are told time and time again that we are under no circumstance allowed to be involved in other businesses.
Wrong
if you read the terms and rules, which I have, then you will find that cross recruiting is not allowed, meaning that if an independant distributor is involved in another venture then they are not allowed to introduce that venture to another Polaris distributor, which to me is just common ethics, Polaris wants there distributors to remain focused on one business, it doesnt say that a distributor is not allowed to pursue other business interests, what would happen to already self employed business people who joined Polaris would they be expected to close said previous business… I think not, just as longas they dont attempt to coerce Polaris members away.
Reading through some of the posts in here you all seem like sheep wanting to jump onto a bandwagon that is attempting to flog a company who seems to be fairly successful and is doing good work within the community. If you really want to get on the bash cart about an organisation that isnt performing then if in Aus get on the back of Telstra or better still the NSW State Govt.
Maybe some of you guys have been burnt on a business venture but so have lots of guys. Business is a risky thing and there are no guarantees of success, if you had done your due diligence before signing with any company then you would have made an educated decision whether to sign up or not. You would have only invested as much as you were prepared to risk and assessed your results on a regular basis, I am of course assuming that you are not all half wits and have at least some business acumen.
If that was the case then you have nothing to whine about, bleating about Polaris is a scam or dont touch LLI you will get ripped off, you could say the same about most of this type of business, LLI/Polaris LPU they all offer the same product, self improvement education…. it may not be a product as you see it but is any educational course that is not taught in the normal school system.
Any form of self improvement is a good thng and if you want to run it is a business then do so if not then just buy the product.. or dont, we do after all have the freedom of choice.
My name is Luke Russell. I am the managing director of National Deposit Funding Pty Ltd. We have recently been alerted that our product the “Dream Deposit” has recently been mentioned on your website in relation to Polaris Media Group, Rachel Oliver and Australian EMC (???). Our position is as follows:
1. We have no franchisees.
2. Rachel Oliver is in no way associated with our company either as an investor or any other way, neither do we have any other association (directly or indirectly) with Polaris or any other organisations (eg EMC Australia) mentioned in the posts relating to our company.
3. Bloomtools Gold Coast was and is our web hosting company and if they are involved with other businesses such as Polaris it is none of our businesses, is no concern of ours and is their prerogative and is irrelevant to the web services we pay for.
Any connection between Bloomtools, Polaris etc and our business is purely co-incidental.
4. Our loan facility is a genuine credit facility with its history in commercial trade credit whereby commercial businesses fund the application of our loans. Therefore we are in no way involved or remotely similar to easyhomes or Lamborghini Colin (who is this?).
5. We have no distributors even remotely related to Polaris. All of our distributors are fully licensed and qualified to detail our services.
It may pay next time to either pick up the phone or send an email as part of your research. This way you may actually start posting articles which may actually assist your readers.
Luke Russell
Not only that but isn’t promoting other businesses out too?
Well unless of course you’re promoting Scientology courses…
Gday Luke, you’ll note that it was a reader that suggested the link and after doing some poking around myself only found a connection via your web designer company. If you say that’s as far as it goes then that’s good enough for me, although it does beg the question who Cripes!! spoke to over the phone.
Out of curiosity what’s the difference between a franchisee your distributors?
Reading what’s written might help too, a reader comment hardly constitutes an article written about your company. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to clear things up.
Phil sorry but I am too tired to debate what you are going on about, your response is too long and boring, with all due respect!!
But seriously readers of this page, I am curious to know people’s thoughts. Polaris are being absolutely hammered from all directions at the moment, facebook pages, people literally leaving in droves, people looking for refunds etc etc…. my question is, what is taking them so long to come out with an official statement to deny any connection to the Church of Scientology be it a real affiliation or links to the church?? I mean seriously, hundreds of people have left and more people are leaving daily than are signing up to join them, if that was happening in your business wouldn’t you want to do all you could to stop that happening?? Doesn’t that make good business sense?? I mean the longer they leave it the worse it is getting, just come out and give us our official statement…… or are they busy covering their tracks, which I think would be near impossible to do now anyways!!
Luke – the Dream Deposit thibg sounds great – I filled in the online form for more details, and noticed in the where did you hearabout us section one of the choices was LLI network. So you have no association with LLi or Polaris???
Luke is a (edited). Rachel Oliver and her bum wiping emc’s do get co
missions from Tara’s overpriced property developments and Dream Deposits.
great response, no valid arguement against my remarks so complete dismissal
at least that is probably the first attempt at an openminded post I have ever seen on this forum
and interestingly, the number on the website goes to Rachel Oliver – mayber there is more than one???
@wakeup
Brilliant pickup there!
Ahem…
I think someone owes us an explanation…
yet more proof of PMG/LLI dodgy bullshit
Oz – you rock
What happened to Ms McKenzie’s posts?
Cripes-
The announcement was made atleast 2 weeks ago.
I got terminated for no particular reason than publicly asking questions about Scientology connection.I was first told about this connection by a prominent ECM member who left the company back in july/august. He was obviously right. These pricks, PMG, are trying to control information and controlling individials who do not pull their dodgy line. That is plain and obvious. How anyone can turn a blind eye to this – well they are blinded by the PMG delusion of wealth and glory which is a hollow scientologist trick to get their money. Unfortunately their are plenty of poeple out there for these scum bags to target – to bleed them dry. Hopefully this post can help – I certainly am “at cause” to help in this – excuse the Sciti lingo – could help myself.
I also have it on good authorirty that Ms O and the EMC get $10k for each deposit through Dream Deposits – this person doesnt want to be publicy known.
and the good authority is…..? oh thats right its your say so, show the proof, 99% of what is being said in here is heresay and speculation, I am not saying shhhhh don’t tell anyone about the scam, but I am saying if it is a scam put up some hard facts and evidence, all you guys are saying is suspicion, innuendo and repeated rumours, I havent seen anything concrete yet…. I would be one of the loudest to shout if it genuinely were a scam or there was definite wrongdoing but would need hard evidence first.
I have to respect peoples wish to remain anonymous with this – I dont mine being public at all but will respect for others wishes. The good authority I mention is another highly placed LLI member who left have been approached to join the Church of Scientology. I have heard of the EMC – Dream Deposits from 2 seperate sources and now a 3rd.
There is plenty of evidence in above posts to understand the truth – are you a member of the Church yourself Phil?
Do you know the significance of even the name Polaris?
Hubbards asertion is that our ancestors came from a planet of that star. I have talked to other ex LLI ppl – who understand even this simple symbolism nand its association with the secret cult. Have you not read the lastest national news in Oz and NZ . I think you must be part of the cult – otherwise you are blinded by PMG’s propogated seductive delsions.
I was made aware of this stuff – 4 months ago and it has become increasing clearer ever since. Its no longer hearsay – there is just too much being reported. Have a look at Elena comments above.
Hello Phil.
I have 10 minutes to spare, and I would be glad to respond to your …umm…well whatever it was.
Good work in the community eh? Like what to be exact? Please be specific as to how POLARIS MEDIA GROUP has done “good work” here.
You do realise that the rules apply to the minions like yourself and not to the EMC don’t you?
You would like that wouldn;t you. You could then carry on ripping people off. I guess, if I was in your position I wouldn’t love the NSW government either… especially the DoFT who labelled the company that Polaris Media Group got most of it’s “leaders” from…as a PYRAMID SCHEME.
Heard this a million times before. Don’t forget Phil, we too were encouraged to spout this same inane crap when we joined. I hope you can keep that in mind when you “fail” and are told so by your advisor (whom I am sure loves you right now as you are giving them a great Christmas – or whatever it is Scientologists celebrate…)
Oh dear…. mate if you believe this, then I’m afraid I have no comment on this one for you.
Self improvement really is a great thing. I mean…that’s why you got into Polaris right? For the “self improvement”?
I mean…to suggest you got into it for the greed factor and money is downright ridiculoous….right Phil?
In closing, you are a classic new LLIer/Polaris’er , spouting the same stuff we have all heard before. Except you haven’t been around long enough, and don’t understand that you have been brainwashed. You, unfortunately, think that you are making some grand point on this forum.
I strongly suggest you look back through the various threads and check whether what you are writing adds anyting NEW to the discussion Phil.
Your greed will get you… I suggest you look for a legitimate business BEFORE Polaris goes bellyup.
well said iwonder ..
yes we have heard all the lines
“at cause” ..”lack of personal responsibility”…
All the sciti stuff
These are all contained in the Sciti dictionary – have a look online – youll see it all there.
Dont forget the main one “fake it till you make it”
and be prepared to be excommunictaed when you stumble for not doing what you were told..
I wonder why it is that the majority, if not all of the people most outspoken in this thread and in fact on this site and on another called scam.com all seem to hide behind pseudonyms, you all afraid to have you names seen in public… why is that.. dont have the courage of your convictions I suppose.
You are assuming in a lot of your knocking posts that quote me that I am saying that Polaris/LLI is squeaky clean, you are once again wrong.. The only point I am trying to make is that if Polaris/LLI LPU is a scam then show the proof, and saying that the EMC have other interests only proves to me that they are astute business people, the fact that they cover the association up may be unethical but by no means should be labeled a scam, has anyone else on here disclosed their own business interest and if asked would you all be prepared to list them… I doubt it
I havent been brainwashed by Polaris or anyone else, but I also wont be brainwashed by you guys.. Show me the proof so that I can make my OWN INFORMED DECISION….
So far the only concrete stuff I’ve seen is that the site was designed by a Polaris associate and that they list the Liberty League network as a place you might have heard of them. Unless of course it’s just a massive co-incidence and LLI network stands for something else in this instance but I doubt it.
wakeup mentioned their contact number goes to Rachel Oliver, surely that wouldn’t be too difficult to confirm?
I’ll still give Luke the benefit of the doubt and wait for him to respond, but having Liberty League on your ‘contact us’ form isn’t too promising.
well for one thing i do know for a fact is that Polaris members raised $100,000 for the Make A Wish Foundation and Shane Kryder matched it dollar for dollar, there others but I dont have the facts on hand so I wont speculate.
You in fact could say this about many businesses and I do believe it, i was burnt myself by a company that set me up as a franchise where I had a huge protected area, after some 2 1/2 years of running this area with a reasonably good income the company then decided that they could split the area in 2 and sell the other half to someone else.. i of course objected so they terminated the contract on 30 days notice… so dont say i dont know what I am talking about.
I havent looked to see if I have added anything new to this discussion simply because my questions havent been answered..If Polaris/LLI is a scam show me proof, If I am looking at this company with a view to join you say i shouldnt be brainwashed by their blurb, but couldnt the same be said about your comments in here, its all an attempt to brainwash me against Polaris… show me some concrete proof so that I can make an INFORMED DECISION.
and i dont mean showing me that the EMC are involved in other ventures, that just proves they are good business people to me and therefore good people to be around.
Prove to me why I shouldnt join Polaris, thats all I ask
When you’re scamming millions from people every year, donating $100,000 here and there isn’t hard to do.
Because you should put your greed aside and open your eyes.
You are in that state though where you won’t listen, because your EMC advisor has fed you the same crap that everyone else has heard. And he/she is very happy that you gave them your cash. I am sure they are very helpful right now.
What are your thoughts on the EMC promoting Scientology?
Are you ok with them shifting focus to recruiting members?
You seem to be an articulate man. I am sure you will work this out for yourself. I hope sooner rather than later.
How many thousands of dollars have you given your advisor so far? I hope for your sake you haven’t purchased a conference ticket yet.
Yes…Polaris MEMBERS. People that were sucked into the scam.
The implication that Krider matched it dollar for dollar?
So he should.
That “man” has alot of making up to do to even come CLOSE to the detrimental effect he has had on people’s lives.
I also know of advisors using charity as a stunt to publicise their business. Especially involving children and especially when they get to have their business name made public.
The one good thing that comes out of it though is that the charities get something out of these lowlives.
Well perhaps you should Phil.
Because honestly, you are making a bit of a fool out of yourself repeating the same stuff…. Just letting you know.
Right back atcha bud.
Yes…my advisor told me (and these are his exact words) “You have to learn to be a good storyteller”
I recommend you DO join. They love suckers like you.
The audio is up on the PMG back office.
http://bit.ly/500dBi
Glen from Adelaide’s question is towards the end, piss funny
“I just wanted to meet Tom Cruise”
awkward pause….
Phil – what you are reading here is nothing but experience – we have nothing to gain by advising you of the turths we have found – Polaris is about getting your money – plain and simple, Its up to you .
Even the name Polaris – it is the North Star – very important ot scientology in that it is beleived that “our” ancestors , alines, came from a planet orbiting Polaris .
Isnt that just a litle 2 coninsidential given verything else that is going on about Sciti connection – do you think?
There is an old saying – where there is smoke there is fire.
I have nothing to gain why ocntributing to this blogg other than simply getting the truth out there and warning others
hell me spelling is bad – my brain works too fast for my figures – but Im sure you get what Im saying
Our mate L Ron mentions Polaris when explaining how we got here
Audio link: http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/HubbardOnSpacePlane.mp3
I honestly don’t understand how people fall for such BS
Brilliant – go Glen – didnt he shut them up and a DC8 faster than the speed of light – what are these poeple on!?
Phil I have absolutely no other business to promote by being involved in this discussion. All I can suggest to you is join Polaris – buy in “full Boat” and “find tou for yourself”
Roger – yes I even have a name – see!
Polaris – Northstar – 9 weeks to travel, hence the significance of the date 09.09.09 (?). PMG videos are called Know For Yourself and The SCi campaign ads is called Know Yourself, Know Life , launched May 18th, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvku53FL3T8
phil – Ill even give you my number – you see – not affraid of these sciti idiots
+61 8 6102 1215
There seems to be alot of anguish, anxiety and misinformation out there regarding the Dream Deposit business. Allow me to provide the correct information.
1. We are happy to take referrals and leads from all sources in the same way every other normal enterprise does. We will also be adding to our drop down list of ‘where did you find out about us’in the near furture with even more referral sources (whom we also do not pay anything).
We have no arrangements with LLI or Polaris (or any members thereof). We are only interested in determining where clients come from. This has no bearing on any whether we have any arrangement with a referral source (which in this case, we do not).
You may also notice in that drop down list we also have the newspaper and the Brisbane Franchise Expo listed in the drop down menu (the expo being a venue to generate leads as opposed to signing up would be franchisees).
Is it safe to assume on the previous post’s logic that we are also paying every enquiry from the newspaper and the 5000 attendees at the expo since they are also on our drop down referral list?
2. We DO NOT PAY $10,000 or any other amount to any LLI or Polaris member etc etc. Our only formal referral and distribution arrangements are with finance brokers, real estate agents, financial planners and accountants and there are no ‘hidden’ or ‘open’ agreements anywhere to suggest otherwise, purely misinformation and misunderstandings.
3. We are not involved in the receipt of ANY type of commissions or the distribution of any other organisation’s property developments and to assert such and to add labels such as ‘liar’ is obviously defamatory and unnecessary.
I hope this clears things up and I am always happy to answer any genuine enquiry. Our contact details are on our website.
Luke Russell
Hi all,
Just received an e-mail from Elena Fraga. She has confirmed that she has left PMG. Sorry OZ had to double check for myself.
ahahhahhahahhahhhahh just read this on the Polaris Media Group Facebook page written by Rachael Oliver:
Hi Rob, just to provide you with some clarity and factual information. Polaris Media Group is a brand new company. Many distributors (including myself) were previously aligned with Liberty League International. We made the transition to what we know today as Polaris Media Group. We have a brand new product range and new compensation plan. LLI had 3… Read More products, whereas PMG have 23 products.
It mentions on the link that you posted that the Department of Fair Trading declared Liberty League a Pyramid in NSW. This is not factual information. The Department of Fair Trading is not authorised to deem anything to be a Pyramid.
I spose the police don’t have the authority to arrest people and judges dont have the authority to put people in jail either then???
Yeah well of course she is defending this – its an income thing. She is looking after her wallet – plain and simple. Explain all the Sciti associations – from the name Polaris to the leaving associates including Elena Fraga who states, see above, that she was approached to become part of the church. The evidence is in – end of story. Anyone the chooses to ignore these things – well all the best and good luck – have a pleasant journey with Xenu or whatever the fairy tale name is. Well done Oz
I know for sure that there are a few EMC members involved in a franchise opportunity with Dream Deposit. I can prove it in a court of law. Personally I dont care if associates at any level have multiple income streams. It becomes a double standard though when EMC and compliance complain about associates having other business interests when they themself have other business interest. This is called a double standard.
Its adding insult to inujury of the trauma of discovering Polaris is a scientology based company.
EMC are just puppets all up Rachel’s ass who I am sure they are getting paid to stay with Polaris because after all the facts who could be that stupid to stay unless they had a huge financial incentive. They have comprimised their integrity so many times, there has to be an incentive.
I am ashamed to have been associated with this company and it’s leadership in the past.
@Luke Russell
Presumably when compiling your list of ‘where did you hear about us’ the particular avenues have some relevance? The Liberty League network is by no means a broad category to include on this list of referrals.
I mean why not put ‘the bustop’ on there as well then if you’re claiming it’s just a pot random list?
Presumably these are on there because you’ve advertised in the newspaper and run a stall at the expo in the past? I note that Dream Deposits seems to have been registered on the 27th October and Equity Asset Management on the 26th October, 2009.
If the claim raised that any payent is made is dropped (which without proof is fair enough), the question of why Liberty League is on the drop list still remains. You state:
which leads me to assume that at least one of your finance brokers, real estate agents or financial planners works as a distributor for, or directly for Polaris Media Group.
This in itself is fine but then for a customer to hear about your business via the Polaris Network, wouldn’t this mean that one of your finance brokers, real estate agents or financial planners are actively promoting your company from within Polaris Media? ie. they are using their connections within the company to generate leads for your business.
I believe this in itself is against Polaris Media’s distributor compliance policy.
The fact that your company has Liberty League on that drop down list to me indicates you receive enough referrals from within Polaris to warrant wishing to track a rough percentage of the size of Polaris referrals that make up your total client list.
Initially you stated:
I think at the very least it’s clear that there’s an indirect association (someone working for your company is bringing in business from Polaris), between the two companies.
Agreed, I’ve amended the offending post, however I would appreciate you addressing the above points.
@Phil
Mostly because several people have had legal action threatened against them. Myself included.
People who run publicly declared pyramid schemes tend to get really shitty with the people who speak out against them and it doesn’t take much to tie someone up in court financially.
I think why the EMC come under scrutiny here is because if they are involved in other business interests and these interests are considerably supplementing their Polaris income, then to claim testimonial that Polaris provides them with an executive incomes goes beyond being unethical, it’s downright deceptive and misleading.
People are by all means permitted to diversify but once they start offering publicly declared testimonials designed to attract other people to their business, they need to be upfront about where their advertised income is coming from, or explicitly specify out of their total income how much is derived from the company they are using the testimonial to advertise.
At this stage publicly there hasn’t been any confirmation that Polaris EMC members are involved in external business opportunties not directly related to the company. That doesn’t mean the discussion currently going on over it is instantly dismissable though.
The idea has certainly piqued my interest, let’s see how this plays out.
Is the proof verbal or otherwise?
@phife
Lol I found that so amusing I thought it deserved its own Youtube upload.
Luke is 100% (edited), I know this for sure. EMC are involved in Dream Deposit as franchise owners. Dont come on here and (edited) again Luke or you and EMC will regret it. Nothing shits me more than blatant (edited).
(Ozedit: Until proof surfaces I’m a bit iffy about people calling other people liars. I appreciate people have to keep their sources anonymous but then on the other hand it’s not exactly fair to label someone else a liar at the same time.)
Hmmmmmm……
Here’s Tony Rush’s recent response on Facebook:
Tony Rush
Jason, I can only assume you’re more interested in mis-connecting dots; not actually getting some truth.
The North Star — properly named “Polaris” — is the star by which sailors, navigators and adventurers have navigated by for centuries. It’s the one star that — no matter what time of year you’re traveling — you can rely on it to be fixed in the nightsky.
Similarly, Polaris Media Group is committed to providing life-application curriculums that are applicable to someone’s life no matter what they’re going through. Simple, practical positive information with none of the modern-day “voodoo” that you sometimes passes for personal development…. Read More
The fact that this needs to be explained to you indicates to me that you did some research but only wanted to report something that supported your wild Scientology claims.
Then again, if we’re going to get into wild claims, why don’t we claim that we named the company after the little vacuum cleaner in my swimming pool? (It’s called a Polaris).
Or that we named the company after the water-craft company (Polaris).
Or that we named it after the golf-cart company? (Polaris).
I guess they’re all Scientologists, too.
Incidentally, I don’t know anything about Scientology. I’m a member of Mt. Gilead Baptist Church and a former employee of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. And I’ve never been asked to participate in Scientology nor to believe something that conflicted with my own beliefs.
Tony Rush
Presidential Director
Executive Marketing Council,
Polaris Media Group
5 hours ago · Report
Agreed. Maybe this was meant to be their “official” statement that everyone was asking about (but got deleted) and finally waiting for ????
I thought this story was kind of interesting:
Sounds like an awfully similar modus operandi to Polaris. Scientology’s excuse for not being upfront?
I guess openly admitting and advertising the church within Polaris would also detract from their personal development message too.
Doesn’t make it right.
Truly sad an organization like what LLI was had to come to this. It used to be all different, and it used to be something I really felt had a meaning and purpose…something that didn’t need to be shouted or convinced to anyone.
This is what happens when you attempt to install a belief system on smart people. For the most part they come to their senses like I did at some point…sadly some dont. Sadly I have some dear friends who haven’t and may not ever.
Funny though, the people who will blame PMG/LLI for this or that or their failure and lack of results. As far as I know PMG still has a 15 day right of recission and anyone with access to google now can see both sides of the coin.
We all make our own decisions, and in the end we are the only ones who can be at fault or take credit for our failures and successes.
I wish everyone who chooses to stay involved the best, but part of me misses so many of my international family mates I developed in the 4 years I was with LLI/PMG.
Thank you Elena for shedding light on the inside of things. I never met you personally, but have great respect for what you did and I’m sure you will be phenomenal at TNW.
I love how Rachael Oliver and the others end with quotes that have nothing to do with anything. And the other brainwashed morons do the exact same thing.
You can find that quote (and many others) that they use on these cheap-looking websites:
http://www.padregabby.com/page30.htm
http://www.grabyourultimatedreams.com/articles/view/article/1/Are-You-Quitting-5-Minutes-Before-Your-Miracle
http://www.memoryinamonth.com/ezine/2008/ezineissue65.htm
Tony Rush is an arrogant moron. When asked keys question about this, over time, he has reverted to very personal, demeaning insults – which is a calssic scienologist trick to try and bring down their victums. Here is a quote from him to me in a recent email.
“The fact that this needs to be explained to you is the best evidence that you have a criminal mindset that’s focused on taking advantage of people. Any intelligent and honest person understands ”
and
“Tony RushNovember 18 at 9:43am Report
“Roger, seriously — do you honestly think that I would attach ANY value to the opinion of someone who actually respects someone like you enough to be in conversation with you?”
This last email to me asked if I was a homosexial?
I would just love to meet this man personally and have him be man enough to say these things to my face – but alas – he would not.
A cowardly self promoted bastard
I guess Polaris EMC members promoting Scientology courses and books, an ex-EMC member admitting she was asked to attend Scientology courses at a Scientology school by management are all just wild claims.
…wait no they’re not.
Scienologists believe homosexuals are “evil”. If you have a family member or friend who is gay, they tell you to never talk to them again because they’re “evil”.
Do you still have the email?
yep oz – can you use it ?
So if your company participated in the last Brisbane Franchise Expo it wasn’t under the Dream Deposits name right?? Because that expo was in September, I participated so I know, and you only registered this business in October 2009. So who were you trading as prior to this??
I also find your website amusing…. you see right down the bottom of every page of your website you have a “Last Updated” which displays the last or latest date that particular page was updated, however I couldn’t help but to notice that all of your pages on your site that have a “contact form” on them do not have that “Last Updated” information on them….. Did you madly have them updated by Bloomtools when you seen on here that you were so obviously busted and full of sh!t and that you do have an LLI connection??
What happened to their Facebook fan page LOL? Looks like it’s deleted.
Yep it appears that way!! Now the only page they have you have to request to join, I see there is only 885 in that one hahaha!! Facebook may have removed it, there was a heap of used who complained and reported the page so maybe they removed it?????
excellent – I hear at the last conference in Pueto Rico they didnt even provide any food – nothing, they are giving away tickets to events and I know that they are questioning event production costs – from the usual production guys.
I think they are in the proverbial poo…. Exposed and screwed – BRILLIANT
Maybe we all need to start reporting that one too? 🙂
I tried but I don’t see a relevant drop down to report them under!!
I LEFT PMG AS THEY ARE ALL LIARS THE EMC AND THAT BIG HUGE WOMAN ARE ALL ONE BIG HAPPY FAMILY WHO ONLY STICK TOGETHER, YES STICK TOGETHER LOL!!! AND WHY DON’T YOU ALSO PUT SH** ON LIFEPATH, THEY ARE FAMILY TOO!!!
THEY ARE ALL EVIL. THEY CAN KEEP ALL MY MONEY BUT WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM IN COURT SOON – LOL.
Yeah their “request to join” page has been running the whole time and only has 885 people, the one we were all part of had something like 2600 – do you think that is a true reflection of just how many people are still involved polaris compared to those who were just hanging around on the public page to see what was going on???
That was NOT Delwyn who “admitted” that; rather some imbecile who made a fake profile impersonating her typed that rubbish. The real Delwyn posted later on. Some people just have nothing better to do with their time.
Sorry Oz, but can you explain what the “calls” are and how they work?? Have heard them mentioned in a few posts and didn’t quite follow….and I don’t want to call one of the numbers to ask!!!!!
What calls Mezza??
From what I understand they were getting pissy with people making up false accounts and posting negative comments about Polaris on their publicly viewable page.
They’ve shut that down and now run an invite only group, like Rush’s Ning site. I don’t think Facebook themselves had anything to do with it.
@also the truth
On it’s own it’s not really something I could construct an article around but by all means publish it as a comment here.
I’m kinda curious what made him ask if you were homosexual and the context in which he did so!
I can’t speak worldwide but on that ‘Greg from adelaide’ call that was posted a few days ago I think what, 4 out of 5 of the people called out were long timers and then there was zero time for questions.
This was supposed to be a big announcement call too. You’d think if things were going well there’d have been a lot more people on the call (I think one of the spruikers mentioned there was 1000’s on the call at one state lol).
So how many “newbies” and how many associates would be on these calls?? It sounds like there would be heaps, and therefore hard to have your questions asked and answered – just more of the overall bodgy-ness of the scheme!!
@Mezza
One of the main reasons Polaris ads tell you nothing about the business is they want to get you onto a conference phonecall , the purpose of which is to hype you up and commit.
These conference calls are held periodically throughout the week and are a major marketing tool used by Polaris distributors to communicate with eachother and prospective distributors.
They use a skype group to whip up enthusiasm – people are called out form teh skype group
oops, excuse the typos!
Have a listen to the link Phife left above, it gives you an idea of what your standard call is like.
Someone mentioned a while back that they’ve cut back on question time or just leave it out altogether. In the call Phife left despite Gary being told to wait till the end for questions they mysteriously run out of time for questions.
The reason given is because so many people wanted to share their stories. Keep in mind the person running the call is in complete control of who and how many people get called out and is keeping tab on the total call time.
I dont listen to these things regularly to guage whether they aren’t taking questions at all on every recent call though, maybe someone else can answer that?
youre right wakeup – the one controlling the call – is in skype contact with the poeple who give testimonials – the calls are always the same – “im so gratefull to BF” ..I love this business”…”the coimmunity is awesome” etc I know cause I have done it myself. ITs all very well designed and controlled for max pitch to the newbie victum.
90% of the testimonials are the same ppl and even the income testimonials (not sure if they do that now ) are also crap. LIke Racheal Oliver now changing story.
Yeah, the business overview calls (about 5/day), are the vital part of the “business”. They are step 2 in the “proven”, simple 3-step business (which you’ll see in alot of the ads).
Step 1 – You place an ad.
Step 2 – You put them on a call.
Step 3 – You pocket the money !!!!!
I heard this as well….
also…on one of the pages created for PMG, I checked to see who the admins are…only to find the following:
“Admins
There are no admins left in this group!”
just found this you tube video – a new sciti add – notice the similarity to PMg productions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ku4I_WBEZ4
Called “know yourself, know life”
PMG’s is “know for yourself”
WTF….. does anyone know who producers PMG and Scientologys ads?
http://laveniamelbourne.eventbrite.com/?ref=esfb
I see Lavenia is coming to Australia in December!!!
And at a 75% discount for earlybirds!! Worried about attendance, do you think?
believe me – I know they are struggling and good job !!
And oz – you have been a big part of it – so congrates to you for providing a platform for discussion.
what a dreamer Lavenia is – does he really think poeple are that stupid? I guess cash flow must be real tight for PMG.
Yeah i’m surprised he’s not back on the Gold Coast with Rachel doing it!! They are going down, trust me on this people, and it will be huge when they do and for all to see 🙂
yee haa – look forward to it – I dont like being taken in and am like a dog with a bone so anything i can do to assist in this – I will
R
Maybe he’s bringing Tom Cruise – Glen will be happy!!
“The Dream Deposit™ is the flagship product for National Deposit Funding providing…..” – for all those LLI/Polaris people…. does that wording sound familiar???? It’s Rachel to a T!!
Hey – also the truth. Are you going to post the comments in the email from Tony Rush, asking if you were homosexual?
Interesting “Premium Access Service Agreement” on the Dream Deposit website – apparently if you pay $10,000 for an annual membership, or $35,000 for a lifetime membership, you are able to
“access membership benefits of the Contrabart Trade Exchange” including “accessing exclusive and additional residential, land, commercial, and industrial properties where the Member is able to use a Dream Deposit loan for their property. These additional properties are not available to the general public or to members of the free NDF Buyers Network.”
The agreement goes on to say that by making this application you are also applying to be a sub member under Dream Deposit’s membership of Contrabart Mgt Pty Ltd.
An Asic search revealed
Extracted from ASIC’s database at AEST 14:23:15 on 23/11/2009
Name CONTRABART MGT PTY LTD
ACN 121 728 005
ABN 62 121 728 005
Type Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares
Registration Date 13/09/2006
Next Review Date 13/09/2010
Status Strike-Off Action In Progress
Locality of Registered Office Surfers Paradise QLD 4217
Jurisdiction Australian Securities & Investments Commission
Strike off action in progress!
Tony sent you a message.
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Re: interity
It’s amazing how much you need me and my attention.
Really. I’m beginning to think you have a crush on me. Are you a homosexual?
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What a f’ing moron… did you tell him and his big fat head not to flatter themselves????
My only previous experience with Scientologists was yrs ago in Sydney – being “interviewed” – they called it a survey – I must have 20 yr old – asking me all sorts of questions about “what would I change about myself” – on saying “nothing I am happy with myself” – they got increasingly abusive until I walked out – hearing them loadly abusing me as I walked out.
Rushs communication remind me of that. They dont get want they want – they revert to that same tactics – personal demeaning abuse.
F**k him and all thi subversive BS – lets take them down 🙂
PS. I am not homosexual – I am married to a lovely lady with an 8 yr old girl
Check the testemonials…. LOL…
Quite a few Polarisites in there
It does seem a bit random to come down to Melbourne and do a one session event in Hawthorn.
no I think it was me – you will know now that my brain is faster than my figures 😉
It does say “with friends”, maybe they are all coming down to Melbourne?
I know I’m missing the point here and everything but… did Tony mispell integrity or you? 🙂
Incredible, you all have sooo much time on your hands. I came across this site doing a search for something else and opened it when the association of Delwyn Mckenzie was shown in the search results.
I am not part of the organisation nor do I know this person personally, in fact I have a biz with another well known network marketing company. I researched this company through a Delwyn phone call. I found her to be like any other network marketer I’ve researched. I’ve seen these kinds of forums time and time again and this time I could not resist. Seriously, who cares about the religious association, and what other rumours you guys seem to create. Lets hear about what you guys have put on the line in terms of investment and what sort of wins you’ve made because you’ve actually spent the same amount of energy into that biz. I could almost guarantee that none of you posting here have made any decent money, however you insist on posting every chance you can because you’ve been ‘duped, scammed, or ripped off!
It’s no wander the networking industry is so scarred, its because of you losers ranting and raving about your sorry arses.
Give us all a break and put your negative energy into something productive and make some money THEN post about that for a change.
Absolutely. Way too much time on their hands in fact. They have all the time in the world to post such drivel on here.
Honestly, I hate to say it but people like these just wouldn’t know how. All they seem intent on doing is attempting to “bring down” a great company. It’s obvious they’re just jealous of the success of people like Rachel or Tony and others. Well folks, you’re just wasting your time. Have a great day 🙂
Hi Luke – here is a genuine enquiry…. could you please explain to me how to become an affiliate, how one would qualify to be an affiliate and what you get for being an affiliate……. Direct Quote from your Investors Presentation – “If you are serious about promoting this opportunity and you qualify you can become an Affiliate”
thanks so much
Mike – this Delwyn is a lying self centered cow, excuse the pun, who is about as genuine as my toilet. She will take you money with all her reptilian charm and that will be that. If you are stupid enough to trust her – all fool you. I know because I have direct experience. We are a bunch of poeple that feel strongly enough having been screwed by these Sciti bastards – that we are focused on bringing them down. If you give them you money – you will loss it – that I promise you.
Mike and NV – you are nieve idiots sitting at the door of the spiders funnel. I feel for you. Polsris media group will go down – I assure oyu of that and you will loss your money.
how are you gong to make any money with this rediculous compl plan these conartists have produced – do you even knwo anything about it, Can you even expl;ain it ? Have a look at the comments above from Elena – do you know anything about her? No – do you know anthing about Wendy Stevens or the others that have left – knowing that this compl plane is unsustainable? how are you going ot be able to activate your levels and keep them actiated? Not a bloody clue in the world. I know all these poeple – Lavenia, Rush, Oliver.
Having looked through the website, this seems to be how Dream Deposit works using a $500,000 example:
1. – The building products supplier – Auschina Imports – loans National Deposit Funding $150,000
2. – This becomes a Dream Deposit loan made to the purchaser
3. The purchaser obtains a loan for $350,000 through an approved lender/broker – Chess Finance for example, one of their 2 approved lender/brokers
4. The purchaser buys the property from the developer/builder for $500,000 – $350,000 cash, and $150,000 as a Dream Deposit bond.
5. The developer/builder then buys building products from Auschina Imports worth $400,000 using the $150,000 Dream Deposit bond (which is called the “profit” part of the building products and $250,000 cash, which is called the “wholesale” cost of the building products. The Dream Deposit credit system is administered by Contrabart.
6. The building products supplier Auschina Imports uses the $250,000 to buy said building products from the manufacturer.
7. After 5 years, the purchaser repays $150,000 to National Deposit Funding, who repay it to Auschina Imports.
How neat! Auschina Imports generates sales of its products and gets $150,000 cash on each of these deals, simply by providing a certificate worth, apparently, $150,000 of building products!
And what does Dream Deposit/NDF get? 12% facility fee paid by the purchaser at time of purchase of the Dream Deposit amount – in this example $18000.
But wait! If you become a Premium Access Member for $10,000 a year or $35000 for life, you only pay 6% facility fee – in this example $9000 – limited to 1 loan a year.
It seems that Contrabart, Dream Deposit and Auschina Imports share the same address at 175 Ferry Rd Southport, and also share the same director in Steve Hermiston.
Contrabart Management Pty Ltd appears to be under administration, Contrabart Mgt Pty Ltd( the company name on the Contrabart website and also in the Premium Access agreement on the Dream Deposit website) has a strike off action in progress, Contrabart Trade Exchange Pty Ltd is operational. Check out Contrabart on google – a couple of tribunal cases where people have lost money because they were unable to spend their Contrabart trade exchange dollars on anything! One guy swapped his boat!
And the affiliate programme – “Do you think it would be easy to promote 5 year interest free property deposits?” It would be interesting to find out what the commission would be.
@for real – from my research – Lifepath is a much healthier company – with real products and a solid foundation and no Sciti affilations. Some of LLI’s top poeple have gone to this company – much to SK’s horror I understand.
isn’t Lifepath , virtually the same thing, selling overpriced seminars for thousands and thousands of dollars !!!!!
differences
1. Conf all inclusive
2. Products include 13 “outside” luminaries – not just Krider, Lavenia and Braxton
3. guarantess
4. genuinE personal develop content
In case you guys didnt bother to read the content of this thread – this us a direct quote from Elena’s communication
“Almost All Top earners (except those working in the main offices) are Gone. I personally went from making a substantial income to close to zero income (well, $900 in 2 months working 80+ hours a week) helping everyone, without tools. I got into financial uncertainty, just as most of you guys there.
Opps did I say that?
Almost All the income testimonies we hear on the calls, if not all, are of incomes created under the old compensation plan, that is, the LLI comp plan, even though was “processed” after the change.”
Seriously….I am beginning to wonder what some people are on.
I for one, spent a great deal of energy trying to get that “biz” to work. The model is flawed. Vastly flawed. To say that people are just not “putting in the energy” is just a line that the EMC spout in order to tap into your guilt. Been there done that mate, you are wasting your words here. Oh- and also- you are being extremely rude to the families who have lost their life savings. Feel good about yourself do you?
I would happily post about the success I have had AFTER leaving this joke of an organisation- however, this thread is not for that purpose.
It’s purpose (and correct me if I’m worng Oz) is to create an open forum for discussion in regard to Polaris Media Group.
Riiiiggggghhhhht….
I think that these posters are probably PMG EMC trying to save their own butts as it appears that the company is in big trouble – he last conference in Puerto Rico didnt even include and food – nothing and I know that they have been questioning conference production costs and then there is the “giev away” and enticement to try and get numbers to Australian “event” . Maybe it Mr Lavenia or even the great Mr Rush himself – both of these would play these sorts of subversive tricks – it what they do !!
hell I should go back to uni to do a postgrad course on spelling !
HEY where is my post gone, did you delete it I wonder why.
do not forget to mention LIFEPATH. they are all a family. what goes around will come around. they will all pay back what crap these and all mlm companies do to people. they are all the same.
Some great research there wakeup.
Additionally National Deposit Fundings seems to be a publicly listed company with shares and is also located in Southport.
On the 17th November they made the following changes to their business:
Not sure if there’s anything of interest in that information but it was only a week ago.
@for real
Your original comment is still there. You changed names to post again, I’m not sure why.
@iwonder
That’s pretty much it. I’ve been open about this since way back as one of the first things that came up was that I was working for Lifepath and had some ulterior business motive.
You aren’t able to question Polaris via their official channels so I try to provide a relatively balanced discussion here. Although I have no control over who chooses to participate since the begginning I’ve allowed both viewpoints to be published.
People are free to support Polaris and free to not support them. The discussion generated has led us to some interesting places. More recently I’m keen to see how this Dream Deposit link plays out.
I note Luke appears to have run for the hills since Saturday.
This relatively open discussion is the general nature of OzSoapbox though and isn’t just in relation to the Polaris/LLI articles.
@also the truth
The only person I’ve suspected of being from EMC was josep, although he denied it. He claimed he had intimate knowledge of Polaris but was not married to the company.
Interestingly he dissapeared once the Scientology link was made public.
I don’t think any of the recent pro-Polaris commenters are EMC, more likely just distributors.
These articles and comments aren’t about MLM or network marketing in general they’re pretty specific to Polaris so you’ve got to be searching for information on the company to find them. Given that Polaris won’t address half the issues that get raised here I imagine more then a few distributors check back regularly to see what’s being discussed.
@ Oz
Re Dream Deposit/National Deposit Funding company changes:
Matt Mercer resigned as Director, and Bernice Cooper resigned as Secretary – both of Chess Financial at SUITE 3 27-29 CROMBIE AVENUE BUNDALL, leaving Luke Russell as Director and Secretary and Steve Hermiston as Director.
Chess Investment of SUITE 3 27-29 CROMBIE AVENUE BUNDALL ceased to have any shareholdings – current shareholders seem to be Anne Marie Russell, SH Venture Holdings, which I would say is Steve Hermiston, and Auschina Imports – Steve Hermiston.
Change of registered address and principle place of business from Chess Finance/investments adderss at SUITE 3 27-29 CROMBIE AVENUE BUNDALL to Auschina and Contrabart’s address at 175 Ferry Rd Southport
LOL looks like some nice homework there. All I can say to Dream Deposit is, you’ve seen what’s been done to Polaris, so if there is anything you guys are hiding, you’re probably best to come clean now. Either way, the dirty laundry will be aired.
$cientology speak is peppered with references to “wins”, along with lots of other technobabble. Is there something we should know Mike? If you read through previous posts you will know that many people here are themselves legitimate business people and professionals whose concerns are completely altruistic.
good spotting Boris.
Hey Guys – this car that was offered to win last year – with PMG – big song and dance about – won by Sue and Gerry Smart – is only on a 2 lease!!! Doesnt that say it all – along with the fact that there were no receptions at Puerto Rico – man they must be in financial trouble. I would anyone considering buying conf ticket DONT – if not foe the obvious – for the probability that they would shut the whole thing down and any moment – and do you think for one minute that you would get your money back – I dont think so!.
no receptions ??? whats that mean
I heard that about the Smart’s but to be honest I didn’t believe it. I thought it was crazy talk, how could they get away with that???? Funny that the Smart’s haven’t said anything about it publicly either.
At previous conferences – there was always a welcome reception (meal/party) and a big dinner/party on the last night – they made a big thing of this as being part of the “masterminding” thing. Didnt happen at Puerto Rico.
I hear this from one of their associates !
this email from a thankfull ex PMGer
“Well I’ve been busy following this whole saga play out on Facebook and Oz, over the last couple of weeks and conclude I have absolutely no faith in PMG, and it’s actually quite amusing now to follow.
To think a couple of weeks ago I was “religiously” (LOL) listening to all the calls, and doing my bit to push down the “negative” sites on Google. I felt so guilty the first time I clicked on Oz (how’s that for brain-washing!)
What a difference a week makes!!
I’ve cancelled all my websites and advertising, and are bloody grateful to have got out now, before getting into real shit. I’ve still got access to the calls and the back-office – could be quite funny to check in on.”
Yeah you are right, most of the usual things didn’t happen. Maybe they were afraid of being asked the hard questions!!
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I see the Smarts have joined another network marketing business, evidence on her FB page. If they were there top earner and even they have jumped ship that’s saying something isn’t it???
I also hear that “Leonie Vallance has gone too”
I thought all you paid for was the speaker time, or are you talking about the welcome drinks and farewell dinner they usually have?
(might be the other way around dinner first drinks on the last night I can’t remember).
yep thats true also!
Has anyone in QLD thought about attending the Dream Deposit investor thing tonight?
I doubt any Polaris EMC will be there due to it being targeted at new investors but it might be worth a shot.
Of course there’s always the chance that by publicly asking this they’ll abandon any plans to attend…
It appears so many of the “Big Wigs” have left. Who else has gone? Or is it easier to ask “Who is left?”
So much for all the integrity they all bang on about, as soon as you cant rip people off blind any more they all turn there backs.
FAR OUT XENU – just received the email from Polaris with Shane Kriders admission he is a SCIENTOLOGIST He states however this should not affect anything and if we do so it is discrimination. So full of Bull Shit the scamming pricks.
Just got that email also, wil forward to Oz
Full of S**T! – that is well established
im sure oz will post it for us, I have just sent it to him.
“I do take issue with people who discriminate on the subject of religion and confuse it with my business activities.” – direct quote, if this is the case why is he asking people to do scientology courses?????????????
and this the Australia Officals stating that this cult is basically illegal and immoral and should be investigated and outlawed – French Govt looking at making it illegal also- nd with it ie. Scientology being recognised worldwide as scammers – and now with Kriders admission that he is part of it ….well I think we can rest our case. Who of any intelligence would put their money and trust in an organisation foundered by and run by a Scientologist?
I love it.
He brings out a statement to “calm things down” and in effect, has made things far far worse as he has now admitted what we all knew but had no solid proof of.
Watch and listen as the wheels now fall of this trainwreck that is Polaris Media Group.
in the whole time I was associated with this company – I have never felt as good about something I have done as I have now – getting thankyou emails from poeple we have helped see the reality of this scam.
I agree, its awesome!! See what happens when you persist……..
Absolutely!! Awesome job Oz and everyone who has helped bring this to light.
Me thinks Polaris is not going anywhere. Scientology is a big machine and they will find other fish to hook after the fallout from the “top earners”. Sadly the cult will not be revealed until the bank accounts are emptied through deceptive practices. Thanks OZ for this blog…it surely has brought light into the situation and will save some from the difficult circumstances I find myself in for taking the bait. Shane has deceived himself into thinking he is helping others. Beyond Freedom is a good thing, but his view of himself is lost in ego, confusion and brain washing…..and PLEASE no bragging about charities they give to just to make it all seem all so right. Especially using childrens’ charities for covering up deception. URGH!
Perhaps, but one step at a time HC.
I for one, will be quite chuffed when Polaris goes under.
I have just found this website and read all the comments. I found the Beyond freedom program very helpful. I have sold programs like this to businesses 15 years ago and saw very good results.
I checked the scam site before I joined in May and found nothing there of concern. I made the decision to join as a adult responsible for my own decisions.
The person who introduced me loved the business and the program, as I did, and is distressed at the developments that she feels has compromised her integrity.
I have made decisions to work for people in ordinary situations and have been compromised financially. It is a risk anyone takes in todays world. I have had great experiences while in Liberty league and met lovely genuine people who wanted to help others.
I consider this LL my business and I am confident in making considered, informed decisions on my beliefs, religion, and any other life situation that may face me.
Shane Kriders religion is no more political than any other religion on this earth. I don’t see anyone criticising the catholic church, moonies etc.
We are all responsible for our own reality. The disapointment I have with PMG at the moment is the appalling administration. This is probably due to the hysterical witchhunting and industrial sabotage and teething problems with the programs.
I do believe in hindsight that the compensation plan should have been kept the same until the products had been launched.
Unfortunately, it will take a miracle for any trust in the admin to be reestablished. I will probably say thanks for the memories and move on to better things.
My position still stands – former members of LLI I will be in a class action if people are keen. The more people the better rather than trying to lobby for our money back as individuals.
I would like to second that!
Monette,
Hysterical witchhunting ? Industrial sabotage ?
It started with the DoFT ruling and went from there. It wouldn’t be half obvious that you’ve got excessive sunk costs in a product plan that doesn’t work. What industrial sabotage occured??
BEYOND freedom is crap!!! who wants my copy i paid 2000 for it. you make me laugh to think it was worth it people. wtf?
i will rally to get my money back as these wankas have been dishonest all along including the advisors. they were story telling piglets.
Thankyou Oz read the whole page and all the comments – love your work – sent this link to Sen. Xenophon (for his records) I wish people would put names in their URL with scam and do a search and research before they sign up to anything. These scammers have been around for years! The gap between scam and scientology is closing in – keep up the great work – you are so courageous! Bless you.
Can anyone please advise me of whatever information they may have about Matt Mercer and Bernice Cooper.
Are these people genuine trust worthy and decent business people to deal with.
All I know is that they are directors of the Chess Financial at SUITE 3 27-29 CROMBIE AVENUE BUNDALL.
At present they are seeking 1 million Dollars in funds to franchise the Chess Advisory Group of which they are both directors.
This could be a scam or it could be a legitimate business proposal.
If there is any one at all out there that can provide me with sound informative information regarding the Chess advisory group or about Matt Mercer, Bernice Cooper or Chris Catherwood I would really appreciate their help.
Thanks,
Kees
Thanks for this blog was really helpful.
I’m looking for more news on the NATIONAL DEPOSIT FUNDING?
Anyone attended the seminar in Vegas last may? would love to hear some comments.