DOUBLE WHAMMY: Nerium sued by product supplier
Yesterday we reported on Dennis Windsor, co-founder of Nerium, suing the company for $22 million dollars.
Today we cover another lawsuit filed against Nerium, this time by their product supplier.
Nerium Biotechnology is the parent company of Nerium Skincare.
Nerium Skincare is
a corporation organized and existing under the laws of the state of Texas and is a member of Nerium International, LLC.
Specifically, Nerium Skincare have a 30% ownership stake in Nerium the MLM company (Nerium International, LLC).
The other 70% is owned by Nerium co-founder Jeff Olson’s company, JO Products, LLC.
So the story goes,
Several years before the formation of the Company, Nerium Biotechnology, Inc. (“Biotech”), Nerium SkinCare’s parent, was engaged in researching, developing and testing products using extracts of the Nerium oleander plant that appear to have unique health benefits.
During that process, Biotech discovered that the unique properties of the Nerium oleander plant provided remarkable age-defying results when applied to the skin.
Biotech patented an extraction process to create a Nerium oleander extract product called NAE-8.
Biotech created Nerium SkinCare to develop, formulate and manufacture natural skincare products, some of which would contain the NAE-8 extract.
Having developed a first-of-its-kind product, with a patented extraction process that yields a beneficial extract, Nerium SkinCare considered marketing alternatives and was introduced to Jeff Olson (“Olson”).
Nerium Skincare and Olson went on to launch Nerium International, ‘to market and sell Nerium SkinCare products‘.
Nerium SkinCare develops and produces the Product Line and Nerium International sells and distributes the Product Line.
Part of the Nerium agreement is a Perpetual Distribution and Licensing Agreement (DLA),
to delineate the exclusive and non-exclusive rights of Nerium International to market the Product Line and to grant certain intellectual property rights to Nerium International “to the extent reasonably necessary for the marketing, distribution and sale of the Product Line.”
This DLA is a source of contention between Nerium Skincare and Nerium International, with Nerium Skincare claiming Nerium International has
failed and refused to enter into the DLA which, among other things, has frustrated the purpose of the Company Agreement and caused irreconcilable damage to the parties’ relationship.
Basically Nerium International are supposed to exclusively market Nerium Skincare products. Which according to Nerium Skincare, they haven’t.
Around April 2014, Nerium debuted an Optimera line of products in Canada.
Without Nerium SkinCare’s consent Nerium International began selling imitation products overseas that were not manufactured by Nerium SkinCare and do not contain the proprietary oleander extract NAE-8.
Nerium International refers to the imitation products as the “Optimera Line.”
Nerium International promotes the Optimera Line of skincare products as similar and equivalent to those in the Product Line, despite the fact that they are not manufactured by Nerium SkinCare and they do not contain the proprietary oleander extract NAE-8.
The Optimera Line has become directly competitive with the Product Line.
In September 2014 Optimera was rolled out to Mexico. The products have also been marketed and sold in the US.
Nerium Skincare allege that Optimera’s rollout is the cause of a $12 million decline in sales of their NAE-8 based product line.
Furthermore, Nerium Skincare allege, as a 30% owner of Nerium International, that they are not being fairly compensated for Optimera sales.
Article V of the Company Agreement requires Nerium International to allocate profits and make distributions to all Members, on a pro-rata basis, according to the Members’ respective Percentage Interest.
Nerium International has allocated Nerium SkinCare 30% of Nerium International’s costs and expenses but only 20% of the profits from the Optimera Line.
The same is true for the EHT product beginning in 2015.
As a 30% Member of Nerium International, Nerium SkinCare is entitled to 30% of the net income from the sale of the Optimera Line and the EHT product.
This incorrect allocation of costs and revenue has resulted in unpaid distributions to Nerium SkinCare in excess of $4 million in violation of Article V of the Company Agreement.
Additionally the agreement stipulates Nerium Skincare will be awarded an increased share of revenue, should “gross cash proceeds from the sale of the Product Line” exceed predetermined thresholds.
Without disclosing what those thresholds are, Nerium Skincare alleges
the relevant thresholds have been exceeded since August 2013, yet Nerium International has not made the requisite payments to Nerium Skincare … in violation of the Company Agreement.
To date, Nerium Skincare allege Nerium International has stashed over $16 million in off-shore accounts. Nerium Skincare claim this has resulted ‘in reduced distributions to’ the company.
Nerium Skincare claim payments made to Olson’s JO Products have been ‘in excess of JO’s pro-rata share‘. In a nutshell, they allege Jeff Olson has been “enriching” himself ‘to the further detriment of Nerium International‘.
In an attempt to further investigate the matter, in July 2015 Nerium Skincare
made a written demand, as a 30% member of Nerium International, to examine the Company’s books, records of accounts, and other information regarding the business affairs and financial condition of Nerium International.
To date, Nerium International has failed and refused to grant Nerium Skincare access to these materials in violation of the Texas Business Organizations Code.
As a result of the actions of Nerium International and Olson as its sole manager, Nerium SkinCare has suffered and continues to suffer damages.
In a lawsuit initially filed on August 21st, 2015, Nerium Skincare are suing Nerium International for
- breach of contract (Nerium International and Jeff Olson)
- breach of fiduciary duty (Jeff Olson)
- declaratory judgement (Nerium International, Jeff Olson and JO Products) and
- legal costs
Nerium Skincare further asks the court to acknowledge that Nerium International has “non-exclusive distribution rights” to their products, meaning Nerium Skincare are free to supply them to third-parties (excluding acne products).
Permission to examine Nerium International’s books (including accounting), under the Texas Business Organizations Code, has also been sought.
Perhaps most damaging of all however, is Nerium Skincare’s request that Nerium International be “wound up and terminated”.
It is not reasonably practicable to carry on (Nerium International’s) business conformity with its governing documents.
The Court should order the winding up and termination of Nerium International as a remedy for Olson’s breach of fiduciary duty (and) Nerium International’s material breach of the Company Agreement.
Should Nerium Skincare prevail, Nerium International’s termination as a company would be overseen by a ‘qualified person not affiliated with‘ Nerium International, Jeff Olson or JO Products.
According to a second amended complaint filed on April 4th, 2016, the sum total of damages sought by Nerium Skincare is “not less than $1 million”.
A day later on April 5th, Nerium International filed a counterclaim and third-party petition against Nerium Biotechnology.
In their counterclaim, Nerium International argue the company has
more than honored its part of the bargain—generating over $1 billion in sales, record-breaking expansion, and a network of hundreds of thousands of independent sales representatives across the United States and beyond.
Despite receiving tens of millions of dollars, Nerium SkinCare is now suing Nerium International for an even bigger piece of the pie.
Whether the money paid to Nerium Skincare by Nerium International was in accordance with the Company Agreement is unclear, or paid less as Nerium Skincare allege, is unclear.
Nonetheless, Nerium International claim to have “succeeded”, despite Nerium Skincare’s repeated failures.
Although it promised to develop and produce international products and represented it could do so, Nerium SkinCare stumbled and then stonewalled in producing a marketable international product.
Worse, Nerium SkinCare has underperformed and sought to bilk its own business partner from the very beginning.
As per their counterclaim, Nerium International have adopted the position that they are the wronged party and “entitled to damages”.
The picture painted by Nerium International, is one of Nerium Biotechnology and Nerium Skincare on the verge of collapse.
Biotech, Nerium SkinCare’s Canadian parent company, was formed primarily to research cancer treatments from the Nerium Oleander plant.
Through that research, Biotech discovered that its Nerium Oleander extract (NAE-8) also had significant anti-aging effects. Biotech formed Nerium SkinCare to research, develop, and produce a skincare product.
But by 2011, Biotech was floundering. According to its SEC filings, the company had “insufficient cash to fund its operations and execute its business plan” and unless it could raise desperately needed capital, Biotech would be “unable to continue as a going concern.”
Meanwhile, Nerium SkinCare had not found an acceptable distributor to rescue its cash-strapped operations.
Along came Jeff Olson, an industry leader in direct-marketing with an established track record of success.
Olson was impressed by the product and hopeful his direct-selling expertise could create a global market for the product.
Olson was unaware at that time of Nerium Skincare and Nerium Biotechnology’s dire financial situation, nor did they disclose to Olson that their products could not be sold in international markets.
And if you’re wondering why NAE-8 products can’t be sold outside of the US, resulting in Nerium International marketing Optimera…
The dispute underlying Nerium SkinCare’s current purported claims arose when Nerium International began to expand outside the United States as contemplated from the outset, and Nerium International learned that Nerium SkinCare’s products could not, in fact, be distributed in international markets, a particular problem for a company called Nerium International.
The Company Agreement has always required Nerium SkinCare to use best efforts to (i) research, develop, and expand the Product Line; and (ii) procure governmental and regulatory approval in any market Nerium International determines is appropriate.
But Nerium SkinCare had not disclosed its inability to deliver a marketable international product.
When it later claimed to have developed one, Nerium SkinCare variously ignored or stonewalled Nerium International’s repeated requests to review and evaluate its international product, not disclosing even limited information until February 2016, months after this lawsuit began and even then under restrictions so limited that the information was not usable.
Without sufficient information about testing, quality, and safety, Nerium International has been prevented from the possible expansion of its international product line to include this version of Nerium SkinCare’s products.
Meanwhile, Nerium SkinCare began advertising on its website that its product was supposedly approved in various countries outside the United States, notwithstanding the fact that Nerium International has the exclusive right to purchase any such product, should Nerium SkinCare ever provide information to back-up its claims.
Due to Nerium SkinCare’s failure to deliver an acceptable product or seriously pursue research and development, Nerium International was forced to procure an alternative product called Optimera.
If Nerium Skincare did manage to overcome regulatory challenges in overseas markets, for whatever reason they didn’t seem to want Nerium International marketing their products there.
Overall Nerium International’s portrayal of Nerium Skincare and Nerium Biotechnology is one of gross mismanagement.
Overcoming Nerium SkinCare’s quality-control problems has been par for the course.
For example, within the first year of business, Nerium SkinCare delivered defective products that forced a widespread withdrawal of products and nearly put Nerium International out of business.
And just last spring, Nerium SkinCare ran out of a product entirely, causing Nerium International to hemorrhage nearly 10,000 preferred customers and millions of dollars in associated sales.
Nor has Nerium SkinCare made any serious effort to research, develop, and expand the Product Line as it promised to do.
Biotech’s public consolidated financial statements show it spent roughly $426,000 on research and development out of $39 million in revenue in 2014.
Indeed, Nerium International has only been able to deliver high-quality products by helping Nerium SkinCare do its job and providing financial support to keep them afloat.
And, at least according to Nerium International, they weren’t the only ones striking deals with third-parties:
Although directly prohibited by the agreements between Nerium International and its Brand Partners, CEO Dennis Knocke and other Nerium SkinCare representatives including Michael Scott have met directly with Nerium International’s Brand Partners.
In at least one case, Nerium SkinCare purportedly met with a competing direct-sales company to discuss distributing Nerium International’s exclusive products.
Even the rumor of that prohibited arrangement was enough to alarm thousands of Brand Partners and cause seismic damage to Nerium International’s sales network.
If true, Nerium Skincare’s whinging about Nerium International going behind their back to procure Optimera is a bit rich.
From the very beginning, Nerium SkinCare has sought more than it deserves under the agreement.
In another glaring example of Nerium SkinCare’s wrongful conduct, Nerium International discovered that Nerium Skincare had ignored the required pricing formula under the Company Agreement, and was intentionally overcharging Nerium International for its products by nearly double.
An independent audit of Nerium SkinCare’s books by KPMG, based in part upon Nerium Biotech’s public, audited financial statements (which likewise reflected an overcharge), demonstrated Nerium SkinCare owed Nerium International $22 million to reimburse it for wrongfully inflating the cost of its products.
Despite receiving direct written notice of its overcharging practices from Nerium International, Biotech failed to appropriately disclose that information in its public financial statements for an extended period of time.
With both parties claiming the other owes them money and that the other is in breach of the Company Agreement, what a mess!
That Nerium SkinCare now portrays itself as the victim is a complete fiction. Nerium SkinCare’s effort to smear its business partner through this lawsuit is a transparent attempt to distract from its own shortcomings and cause significant disruption and damage to the Company’s business operations.
Only Nerium International is entitled to recover damages for Nerium SkinCare’s repeated failures, breaches of the agreement, and bad faith conduct throughout this business relationship.
Damages sought by Nerium International in their counterclaim pertain to
- breach of contract
- declaratory relief and
- attorney fees
With these filings made in the last week, what happens next at this stage is unclear.
What I can say though is that between Nerium Skincare and former President Dennis Windsor, Nerium’s going to have to push their lawyers hard if they want to survive as a company.
If either lawsuit prevails, Nerium International as we know it today will cease to exist.
Is Nerium Biotech’s oleander extract available in a non-MLM product?
If it’s so special and such a great discovery, I’d think the big companies would’ve been all over it.
Wouldn’t be surprised to one day catch an infomercial about the oleander extract and its distribution in the big stores soon after the lawsuits are settled.
Dave you ate probably right on that. These law suits will raise the awareness of the product and the big firms will be all over it. Too bad…
Why would big companies be “all over” that garbage product? Laughable.
exactly. that’s why they had to go the mlm route.
This is a typical greed scenario. The Jim Jones (Jeff Olson) had very drinking the kool aid. Under paying distributors and using fake actors to market a makeup product.
This week top leaders are rumored to have left Neruim to Follow Dennis. Dennis cut his deal and now is a partner at billion dollar giant Jeunesse.
I’m certain a Jeunesse new product will devastate and replace the current Nerium product!
Lawsuits
Partnership splits
Failure to pay
Debt
Lies
Kill companies.
Jeff I hope you hid your money….
Any company worth their salt would not have chosen MLM. At the very least, make sure the comp plan is up to snuff and the guy heading it is credible. (Not sure if that’s possible in MLM, but you get the idea)
Something about this entire story isn’t adding up. Are we sure Biotech is who they say they are?
If its hyped up enough, the companies usually ride the momentum util it dies out. Then a new product is stocked on the shelf.
It happened with the acai juice. Millions of bottles of acai knockoffs were sold until the hype died down.
Nerium was sold at Sears before!!! For like the first 3 years after Nerium started!! Nerium Intenational used to supply to them and sell it online.
Not sure anyone would want it now. Pull up the Nerium products on Amazon and look at the product reviews. They’re horrible.
Yes, the oleandar is available from several companies. Not too many though because there is no market demand for it based on lack of results. If it was any good, MANY more companies would be using it.
The only thing Nerium has is a “patented extraction process” which means absolutely nothing. Who cares how its extracted. What they should be more concerned about is the fact that the ingredient has very little clinical evidence to support any of its claims.
It’s a poisonous plant! For God’s sake!! I used it for a while and it made my skin break out in a horrible rash!
They is also not enough study on the effects long term. Applying this everyday for so many years I can imagine could be harmful!!!
Very interesting!
It’s a great product. Reduced my wrinkles by at least 30% I’m 60 and look at most 50. 10 years gone.
Sad to hear the lawsuits. I hope I can still get my Nerium!
My wife loves the night cream andn it works well.
Nerium is an awesome company! The products sell themselves! I have used all of them and have had amazing results!
Do you really think Signum Biosciences (the labs at Princeton University) would want Nerium to distribute their brain supplement, EHT if Nerium and Jeff Olson weren’t respectable?
Now, Micro-Soft is onboard. I think you should research a little more before giving your opinion.
I love my Nerium products and I know the before and after pictures that I have taken or my other friends that’s have them are real!!!
Because they have been taken personally also Princeton University would not be on board if Nerium was not a reputable company and now Microsoft is on board.
I love my products and so do my customers!! All the products are scientifically proven and patented. So haters are going to hate and if you have $100 you can file a lawsuit enough said!
Get your facts correct please. Nerium sold at Sears was counterfeit. You will no longer find it there.
The extract itself, NAE-8 is patented. Look it up. Do a tiny bit of research on Jeff Olson (you’ll kick yourself for your ignorance).
The before & afters are from its distributors. One bad apple doesn’t spoil the bunch & that apple was taken care of – & others warned.
Most importantly, results from the night treatment are published in the peer-reviewed literature. Try looking up the Journal of Aging, Science, Jr of Clinical & Investigative Dermatology, etc……
The patented extract is the first superantioxidant on the planet. Look it up.
Please don’t confuse searching with research! Try it, you might just learn something new!
Strange that for such a remarkable discovery, the company chose Aunt Mary, her neighbor Jane, Jane’s half-sister Judy, and their cousin Nellie to be the ones to promote it.
No it isn’t. There’s no patent for it. Neirum has two patents for the extraction PROCESS of Oleander and Aloe, not for the extract itself.
The word super antioxidant was in use back in NYT as far back as 2007, and appeared in a book describing natural products as far back as 1999. Perhaps you need to be more specific in your claims.
TL;DR — GET YOUR OWN FACTS STRAIGHT before accusing others.
For the record, Nerium was launched in 2011, 4 years after the word “superantioxidant” first appeared in popular media (New York Times), and long after it first appeared in books.
Jeff Olson, who ran “people’s network” a self-improvement cable channel that got bought and merged into Prepaid legal in 1999, and Olson became CEO of PL. in 2001, PL got slapped by Wyoming AG for prohibited income claims, then got slapped by SEC for mis-accounting expenses as assets also in 2001.
PL was sued hundreds of times in Missouri, and after losing a few decided to settle over 400. Then in 2009 PL got subpoenas from both FTC and SEC for investigations, and business stagnated. Olson quit (or was forced out) in 2011, and PL reorganized itself into LegalShield in 2011.
Olson went on to start Nerium.
So, what exactly is there to make me want to kick myself?
Spent 10 years curbing abuses of his sales force and STILL got investigated by both SEC and FTC, and got shafted during an reorganization. Is that supposed to marks of a great leader worthy of emulation or something?
There is exactly ONE clinical study published in PUBMED… ONE dated 2015.
San Francisco’s KPIX did a full investigative report on this. Jeff Olson blahblahed about how oleander was first tested as a cancer drug so the cream is safe.
However, FDA never approved the drug… it’s TOO TOXIC. All Olson can provide as “proof” was a clinical trial done by a San Francisco plastic surgeon… who only tested it on 34 healthy patients, and even he admitted that “absolutely not, based on this study” about safety in the general population.
As for the before and after pictures, even the plastic surgeon who did the trial for Nerium had personal doubts on their veracity.
KPIX was originally going to interview one of the scientific experts from Nerium but Nerium cancelled. Olson promised more scientific proof, then the Nerium lawyers nixed that, claiming that any further evidence can only be divulged to experts who must sign an NDA, NOT to the TV station staff or reporter.
Yes, Nerium can’t be trusted. Thanks for the tip.
One last bit: UT MD Anderson Cancer Center had to put up a webpage stating VERY CLEAR they had NOTHING to do with Nerium, never approved their name to be used in conjunction with Nerium, and so on and so forth. They put this up back in 2012.
Imagine what sort of claims they had to debunk and questions they had to endure to force them to draw a line in the sand like that…
NOLINK://www.mdanderson.org/publications/cancerwise/2012/08/setting-the-record-straight-about-md-anderson-and-nerium.html
Just Google “Oleander Toxicity” and ask yourself if you would risk putting any part or derivative of the plant anywhere near YOUR body, much less that of a child, elderly or infirm person, based on the word of someone you don’t know and research you’ve never seen.
Kristin’s 9 claims scored:
4 are outright WRONG
2 are UNVERIFIABLE
2 are HALF-TRUE
1 is right “Nerium is not sold at Sears”
NOLINK://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2016/04/scam-tactics-indignantly-imply.html
Great posts Chang!
Here’s a hilarious video for you silly ladies. Let’s play a game and see if you can spot the word Nerium. Hint: It appears three times.
youtu.be/WprNYmSahzE
your ass must really hurt now.
Research this!
Nerium and Microsoft® Dynamics Join Forces to Offer the Ultimate CRM Experience.
For as little as $50 a month, anyone can have Microsoft get ‘onboard’. ROTFL
microsoft.com/en-us/dynamics/crm-purchase-online.aspx
Wouldn’t be at all surprised if it’s just an active aloe extract with very little inactive oleander doing the work many claim is removing wrinkles.
I may be wrong on that assumption. But truth is stranger than fiction sometimes.
fake press releases = always funny.
I’m extremely upset at the claims “give us 1yr we will give you back 10” all over Nerium International brochures.
My before & after do NOT show that at all in my opinion & i have the pictures to prove it, also my skin is the same if not worse this after using it for 2 whole years.
Sign me up I’d like to sue them too for 2yrs of my life spending way more than I made & actually it put me in debt. being made to feel inferior because i couldn’t sell like others.
all they wanted was for you to sell more go to more meetings & events. Seriously now they are coming out with an eye cream when “Nerium AD”was all you needed for all your skin issues”. really what next??
I’m so angry. I’d be happy to just get all the money back I spent on product & travel.. My time is lost forever!!!!
You mean it took 2 years to get angry and you not the least bit responsible for that?
I mean when you can’t profit or earn from it how long does it take to learn you can’t?
Lots of products make crazy claims daily yet it does not make me want to buy sell or use them let alone sue them for my lost time or results.
Buyer beware comes to mind here.
Its not easy to own up to a mistake in judgement and another to blame others for it.
@Terri
You are not alone. For some support, I suggest you go to pinktruth.com and read their stories. These ladies, like you, have lost so much time and money. Yes, the product/company is different, but the scam is the same. You will see the similarities.
If you really want to help, don’t limit your fight to Nerium. The problem is MLM as we know it today – endless chain recruitment opportunities.
Ugh, I was burned too from a friend. Out in total about 1250.00 and I struggle financially badly.
Many of the reps don’t care if the product works (I thought it worked for me for about 4 weeks but then skin became worst then ever. Burning lumpy and dry. At first you can feel your skin tightening so it’s exciting but short lived hope).
If your going to sell you need to just see the earning potential. Product sucks.
If you have business ethics stay away. Wish I had my $ back, friendship is done. No way can I ask people to put that poison on their face.
It works well because you trust in people you know and want to help them succeed and get yourself in a better position financially. It’s expensive because you have to pay everyone out on the chain for the sale.
Yes my firmer friend is making Money w this, not me. Live and learn.
Haters gonna hate. Fact…. Only mlm in history to do a billion in cumulative sales in its first five years in operation.
How in the world did that happen if the product doesn’t work??? Hello??? Anyone??? Drop the mic and swallow your tounges!!!
Autoship recruitment.
And could you use any more of a tired MLM cliche than “hater”?
they can’t help it. projection automatically takes over when they are exposed and they ‘hate’ the fact they can’t make people part with their money.
And idiots will continue to be idiots, despite other people trying to teach the idiot how not to be an idiot.
It’s when the idiot call those trying to teach him “haters” that the irony starts.
But perhaps a better illustration was the old joke about an old priest hiding on the roof of a flooded house, and refused 3 separate rescue attempts, because he had faith.
When he drowned and went to the Pearly Gates, he was not admitted. When he asked why, St. Peter replied “God sent help to you three times, you refused three times. He did not forsake you, you forsaked him.”
An old college acquaintance contacted me about Nerium International recently. Apparently, he assumed that everyone he graduated with was doing as poorly financially as he was in this economy.
Shortly thereafter he pitched me on the ‘phenomenal opportunity’ that was working for Nerium Int., as one of their ‘Marketeers’.
Of course, I can smell MLM schemes a mile away, having been creepily approached by 100’s by now. But this one was strikingly different and far more diabolically involved.
My friend was completely absorbed and willfully ‘inspired’, by the forced and feigned cult of personality that is Jeff Olson.
Don’t misunderstand, I’m no polyanna business ethicist. In my chosen field I have made several rather unsavory, unfortunate and deleterious decisions with regard to clients, partners and employees, over the years.
But compared to the alleged and likely confirmed aims and business practices of one Mr. Jeff Olson, I should be applying for businessperson sainthood (with town parade included), at my local chamber of commerce.
I earnestly had to alternate between stifled laughter and cringing concern, as I scanned my fellow Bruin’s offered up personal/Nerium cheerleader FB page, replete with inspirational quotes, sundry veiled business demagoguery, and outright cultic worship of Jeff Olson.
Hypnosis masters, could only dream of getting the same desired results of adulation, adoration and blind loyalty, that Mr. Olson inexplicably enjoyed in my college chum’s wide eyes.
It was at that point, and after cursory business lawsuit periodical scanning that I came to know the expected and inevitable legal troubles that Mr. Olson and Nerium Int., are rightfully experiencing currently.
Notice I didn’t mention my friend or most of the other Nerium Int. water-carrying ‘Marketeers’, as being in recognition of Nerium’s and Olson’s troubles.
The highly-coiffed, fancy primered inspirational sales directives, alcohol-soaked Nerium Pep rallies, extensive travel, provided Lexus cars (still not sure what the quota requirement is on this one), have predictably worked their magic on the army of Nerium Int. defenders, many of whom we see here blissfully but nervously defending both Mr. Olson and their beloved Nerium International products.
I believe this is the same collective latent delusional psychological dynamic, that allows inept captains to keep their crews happily and proudly onboard a sinking ship certain to perish, all the while singing his and the doomed vessel’s praises all the way down to Davey Jones’s locker.
Needless to say, I didn’t abandon my steady gig (paltry compensation as it is), to don my “Nerium Youth’-issued white t-shirt, in full preparation of religiously imbibing the Nerium Kool-Aide.
I suppose when Olson’s little lemonade stand inevitably folds up post-jurisprudence, and all of these Nerium Int. disciples are left with thousands worth of bunk and hazardous eye cream product boxes stacked in their living rooms, along with a somber legal dept.-issued termination of company form letter in their sad shaking hands, their faith in the Nerium Int. cult of Jeff Olson will finally be severely challenged.
On a personal note, I should really stop answering reunion calls from old college friends. At this point in my life, it never seems to come to any good end.
I’ve been using that “toxic” stuff along with hundreds of thousands of others with ZERO side effects.
Haha…laugh at us now but let’s see what y’all look like in 10 years without this….it really does work, not for everyone, my mom is immune to the stuff.
But I literally have hundreds of customers and my business partners customers who have had legitimate results that they love!
^^^^Behold..your typical Nerium ‘salesperson/cheerleader’^^^^
Pretty much speaks for itself. Btw- I wonder why no major dept. stores or online retailers will carry Nerium products, if it has the wonderful results you and all your customers claim?
They would be clamoring to get the stuff and it would be an all-out bidding war for the concession. Middleperson lay salespeople would not be necessary.
Bottom line- Nerium, Plexus Slim, and all the rest of the MLM products out there right now are nothing but ‘magic in a bottle’-snake oil, preying on the gullible who wish to part with their money for a subpar and possibly dangerous product.
I hope Nerium and all other MLM scam artist companies like them that take advantage of the goodwill and financial well-being of so many people, get sued or regulated out of existence.
MLM companies don’t sell to major dept stores. MLM is a different business model than retail, duh. It was a business decision to use “middlesperson lay salespeople”.
You know…one to one? no paying for advertising? that’s why it’s called direct sales? As in the Direct Selling Association, which is a 100 yr old organization.
Dept stores did want Nerium, they want anything profitable, they sold Rodan & Fields at cosmetic counters when Estee Lauder owned it. Mary Kay competed for Nerium’s product in 2011 but lost.
Nerium’s extraction process is patented, that’s why no one else has the ingredient. It doesn’t matter whether it’s the product or the extraction process that’s patented, IT HAS A PATENT.
It’s illegal to reproduce the active ingredient, that’s why it’s not in any other products. Don’t interpret the fact that no one else has it to mean they don’t want it.
Who wouldn’t want $1 billion in sales in 4 yrs? Check the annual sales of Nerium, Plexus Slim, Mary Kay, Arbonne, Rodan & Fields. Must be something in the “snake oil” all those companies have.
Perhaps products that people like and folks that earn a living selling them?
This has got to be the fakest dumbest stupidest crap I have ever read or seen completely written by 1 person!!!
You peeps think you are so smart don’t you? This product has never been approved by anyone in this highly toxic because the plant is highly toxic and if you put that crap anywhere on your own body you are sure to die soon….very soon!
Lastly all MLM companies are a rip-off!
I met with a Nerium “team” and for confidentiality purposes (as I truly DO have integrity), will not disclose their names.
One of the women, married ro a very successful businessman, was friendly, outgoing, howevwr seemed to laugh off my concerns for the toxic extract.
I pointed out that Nerium contains, a very toxic oleander extract and than a woman was left blind after using the night cream, and studies show that, these products can lead to heart attacks.
Both women responded by laughing and saying “people die all the time, if I can die looking good I am happy”.
Both women were nice and we had a fun time.
After the “verbal information” given to me, they wanted me to sign and agree to a $499 investment. And a monthly $80 for Nerium products.
Later in the evening I discovered that 1 doctor in San Francisco tested this Nerium cream, on 34 healthy people, but clearly stated that he can not recommend Nerium, or endorse it for the general population, nor to elderly or children.
Nerium oleander extract indeed is toxic. I posed many questions, and also pointed out to the ladies, that this was not a good time for me to spend any money (explained to them that I am going through a separation and financial difficulties). So we concluded the 2 hour meeting.
Given the history of the company, the lawsuit by Nerium Skin care $21,000,000 or so, and the nature of the creams, toxic levels, I do not recommend joining it.
Not sure about this company after several years of trying to recruit others and sell product.
I have seen some qualify for the Lexus in a short time and others like myself still don’t come close.
INFLAMMATORY TOXIN! ! !
My step Dad and I both experienced Heart Attack symptoms. My Mom’s eyes puffed out and it gave her permanent Rosea on her cheeks! The scary reviews are real!
The way we were treated when I told the local women representatives was horrible! The results your getting is from inflamation; your wrinkles are not ‘gone’. Stop using it n see what happens.
This company needs to be held accountable!
It’s really dependent on luck, but they’ll tell you it’s based on “hard work” of recruiting additional sellers (who really are the clients/buyers). It’s said that MLM is really a giant shared self-delusion.
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I was a Nerium for almost a year I earned the Lexus in a short two months, then I couldn’t sell anymore or recruit and I paid for that Lexus out of my own pocket for a year.
The product seemed to work for my hands more then anything but when you stop using it I’m pretty sure it stopped working.
I lost a lot of money fast and no way to recover it. I brought a lot of people in and it wasn’t easy and I even helped them get in. What a huge loss all around.
I would never do it again with any company.
Wasn’t that your goal just for the lexus car.
I remember my brother’s wife did the same thing in Mary Kay. Just for a car and all the bonuses.
She went broke doing it and hid it all from my brother, just so she could look like she was doing it big.
She fooled no one but herself.
Jeff Olson won that law suit AND the counter suit. In April, Dennis Windsor was let go. No one went with him.
All the MLM bashing is obnoxious. Why would the scientists want Jeff Olson to market their product through an MLM?? Because it’s more profitable to have individuals advertise than paying for it and Olson is by far the most successful man in the industry. And, they were right to ask him!
$100 million in 1 year in 1 country with 1 product that contains a globally patented antioxidant from the Nerium oleander plant in the Middle East to $1 billion cumulative company in 4 years with 4 products.
2017 = more success with 7 more revolutionary products & an improved comp plan & 3 more countries. I’m sorry you’re missing out. GREAT company with GREAT products.
Cant tell you what to do, but please! before you get involved in Nerium or any MLM do some serious research!
The fact is the VAST MAJORITY of people that get involved LOSE money! Dont take my word for it, Google it, research it for yourself.
Dont be blinded by over zealous cheerleaders! Dont be impressed by terms like billions in sales and millions of bottles shipped. Autoship and qualifying volume insure these kind of sales.
There is a reason why most people fall off in MLM is a matter of a few months, and 99.9% of people never make a dime.
Again, dont take mine or anyone else’s word…… just dont fall for the hype, take a breath and do some research!
Back in 2015 I took the challenge to become a NERIUM Consultant.
While I was caught up in the hype of financial independence I soaked a lot of money trying to reach these goals which continuously being around those that were making an income on my crazy spending and getting no where.
myself after using NERIUM PRODUCTS for over a year I discovered an irritation on my left cheek, thinking that maybe It was from something I was using was irritating my skin.
I went to my plastic surgeon to check on removing some moles on my chest and casually asked him to check out this irritation he shockingly said it was cancer, basil cell cancer. My heart began to pound with these words CANCER!!!
I asked him what this cancer comes from he said it is topical and slow growing and if I was to have any cancer this was the best kind. But to get it surgically removed soon!
I asked could it come from putting anything on my skin? He just stated just be careful about what I put on my face.
Next day I contacted NERIUM RESEARCH and asked if there was any cases of skin cancer?? They told me no , I told them I wanted to return products I had on hand and they said they would get back to me.
A day or so they called back taking back products with certain serial # and I was finished using Nerium products ,glad to have gotten back some of my hard working money!!!
Now 01-19-2019 I learn about all of these law suits wondering if I would be intitled to recoupe my expenses including my traumatic surgery I had to undergo and a scar on my face that I hide with my hair for the rest of my life.
Who do I contact???? Please help
Sorry to hear about your situation. These lawsuits aren’t for consumer redress though.
For your particular situation you’re probably looking at going it alone – unless you can find a bunch of other people in the same boat.
I’m not a lawyer though so don’t take the above as legal advice. Go and see a lawyer if you’re serious.
Failing that you could complain to the FTC but that’s unlikely to result in anything unless they receive multiple complaints of the same severity.