Roger Langille ditches DS Domination
The trouble with recruitment-driven schemes is that they rarely survive the two-year mark.
For whatever reason, two years is about the time an MLM opportunity dependent on recruitment begins to falter, if not collapse completely.
Those that survive are usually modified from their initial launch, either by tinkering with the compensation plan, adding something or rebooting the scheme altogether.
In the case of DS Domination, we saw talk about Options Domination surface towards the end of 2014.
The idea behind Options Domination was clearly to sign up DS Domination affiliates to a binary options platform and relive the opportunity’s initial momentum.
How that’s coming along now that Options Domination has launched, I have no idea. But today Roger Langille, one of co-founders of DS Domination unexpectedly bail.
A sign all is not well in the DS Domination camp or just a change of the guard?
Unfortunately Langille’s explanation to the field was sorely lacking in the information department.
In a Facebook post published a few hours ago, Langille explained:
It is with an extremely heavy heart that I must announce I will be leaving DS Domination effective immediately.
Acknowledging that the decision was going to seem abrupt, Langille continued;
I have spent the recent weeks contemplating this decision, all the while carrying out regular activities ( webinars etc).
The timing of this decision would never be perfect, and with the upcoming event it is far from optimum. However, I have coordinated with several people, and they have some amazing things they will be launching in Dallas.
The general tone of Langille’s farewell message was one of regret:
For me it all boiled down to whether or not I was leaving you in capable hands with the ability to help you grow your existing business’.
I had several guest speakers, and snuck onto many team webinars to look over their shoulders. It was then that I once again realized the power of this product.
I must confess over the past year or so I have become numb to all of the success stories.
Honestly, there were just too many. I never had the time to appreciate them. Recently, as I knew I was approaching the end of my stay, they began to truly touch my heart.
I am so proud (tears well up), so proud of all of you. I hope that I have done all that I can to ensure your success’ (both immediate and long term). God bless you, and thank you for believing in me.
So uh, if DS Domination still has so much more to offer, why exactly is Langille abandoning the opportunity he co-founded?
Well that’s where things got awful quiet, with Langille only offering up the following:
My decision is far removed from boredom, money etc. I assure you with the passion I have for helping others it was something very dramatic that has caused this.
I hope that I have earned your trust, and with that , for now I would like to keep the reason for my decision private.
That’s it.
All we know is Langille claims he started to plan his leaving a few weeks ago, and that it purportedly has nothing to do with being bored or money.
Oh and apparently he’s not signing up with another opportunity either, with a followup Facebook post explaining:
I have read a lot of messages from individuals letting me know that they would follow me in whatever I will be promoting. That does mean a lot to me, and I truly appreciate it.
I know that it is classic in this industry to join something else while you still have the attention and the following of others. I have been offered positions in 17 companies to date.
First, I want to assure you I have not joined anything else and have no intention to this year.
So what on Earth is it then?
I think we can probably rule out a family medical emergency, seeing as Hitesh pushed through his son’s cancer battle. But what about Langille himself, has a serious medical issue emerged?
If so, why not just mention it. We’d certainly have an easier time respecting his privacy if it was something serious.
Instead we’re left with a sense of uncertain mystery, as DS Domination hurtles towards that looming two-year anniversary (August).
And we’re not the only ones. Immediate reactions from the DS Domination affiliate-base were mixed.
Wrote some affiliates;
Honestly, I stopped to think for a moment if this wasn’t April 1st.
Can’t say that this isn’t a major shock. I had just left two hours ago and now come home and see your goodbye message to us.
It makes me worry that your leaving. I feel like the company is doing something that you don’t approve of.
Dsd is very boring what next and exciting business will you be joining next ?
And others;
Im truely at a loss for words.
I just died a little inside….
Please tell me you are kidding never thought I’d see the day where DSD and you separate like this…unreal.
It was something very dramatic that caused this and you were at the hospital at 4:30 am a couple of days ago? All I can say is that I’m praying for you and yours.
Thank you for being a visionary and a man of integrity. This industry needed a breath of fresh air and thank God you came along.
Roger, thanks for all your work and selfless sacrifice for us. I hope all is well and wish you the best that life has to offer.
A medical condition fits, but then I’m at a loss as to why Langille didn’t just state what it was and leave it at that.
I’m sure everyone could have put on their maturity caps and accepted Langille needed some time to come to grips with whatever was going down.
David Sharpe’s departure from Empower Network was a perfect example of this, so much so that we didn’t even feel the need to cover it here.
In MLM the strongest relationship a company owner has is with their affiliates. So if you’re going to abandon the field, I think you at least owe them some sort of explanation.
Or am I being unreasonable here?
So I’m reading “DS Domination 2.0” is a thing. Apparently it’s “just around the corner”.
2 years approached, co-founder abandons ship and the opportunity is looking to reboot itself… all the signs of a chain-recruitment scheme are there.
As far as I know retail figures within DS Domination (raw or revenue ratio) have never been made public.
this is what jason rose, president of DS dominations has to say about langille’s walkout :
this should rule out a medical emergency for langille, it may be about disagreements instead.
if ‘DS domination’ is going into version 2, what happens to ‘options domination’? has it failed immediately after launch?
I read the other day something about “automated trades” or some such coming to Options Domination “soon”.
It very much sounded like they were headed towards unregistered securities territory. Not sure if that has anything to do with it, but OD and DSD do appear to be attached at the hip.
Either way Langille’s departure and the manner in which he announced it isn’t adding up.
If everything was above board, wouldn’t the upcoming event have been the perfect time to announce it (and then get on with announcing v2.0)?
hmm. he wont JOIN anything this year, but he has not excluded STARTING something this year.
call me cynical, but these ponzi type people have this way of ‘playing’ with words, that i cannot put anything beyond their greasy mindset.
tomorrow langille may turn up saying he just invented the ‘Real MLM Business’ which DSD or OD could not implement!
Is it possible the AG is involved?
My line of thinking was that if it was a regulatory issue then it wouldn’t just be Langille disappearing.
huh?
if there were any regulatory issues involved, why would jason rose be announcing DSD version 2 ?
i think there comes a time in ponzi schemers life’s, when they need to branch out and set up a personal ponzi scheme of their own. ambition and all that.
But Barnes bailed first from Achieve… or at least, claimed to.
KJ bailed, Barnes was left holding the bag :).
But your point stands.
KJ disappeared without a trace though. I somehow don’t think Langille would be making public statements announcing his departure if he was the subject of a regulatory investigation.
if by KJ you mean kristine johnson of ‘the achieve community’, then as per the the latest colorado state ‘cease and desist’ filings, she ‘settled’ with the SEC.
god knows what barnes is doing though.
and there’s no info about the criminal case against KJ and barnes from michigan[?] .
uh, not sure whether KJ settled with the federal SEC or the colorado division of securities.
from patrickpretty.com:
I’m so sorry that you find the need to waste your time posting irrelevant information like this.
If DS Domination was to close its doors TODAY and no longer offer affiliate related income, there are literally HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of people that will earn a VERY nice living due to what they’ve learned about drop shipping and FBA from Roger and the other founders of DSD.
It’s too bad that it doesn’t seem like you’ll be one of them. I hope you find success in whatever you’re doing so that you can occupy your time with more happy things. Take care.
That’s irrelevant to the fact that, on the MLM side of things DS Domination was all about chain recruitment.
It also doesn’t explain why the co-founder of the company is bailing ship, right before a conference and the launch of v2.0. That’s leadership?
Here’s my answer to that…who cares?? I never wanted to become an affiliate, nor will I ever become an affiliate. In addition, I could care less about “chain recruitment”. And Roger isn’t the only owner of DS Domination. He’s just the most visible as well as one of the founders.
Lastly, I’m my own leader and again, if they were to close their doors tomorrow, it wouldn’t affect my business in the least. So how’s that for leadership?
Wrong answer.
Yet here you are. On an MLM blog discussing an MLM opportunity from an affiliate perspective.
This is not normal behaviour for a non-affiliate.
And therein lies the problem.
Someone who doesn’t give a shit about the legalities of pyramid schemes. Let me guess, party of one?
Wrong answer? Well…fortunately for me, I don’t live in your world, nor will I…
And as far as your assumption/accusation that the ONLY reason I’m here is because I must be trying to defend my affiliate stuff has no merit.
(Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempts removed)
That world would be reality. If you wish to inhabit elsewhere, now it is my turn to feel sorry for you.
Never said that, you came up with that on your own.
Kindly cease and desist with the offtopic waffling. If you have nothing further to contribute with regards to DS Domination being a chain-recruitment pyramid scheme, or Roger Langille’s abandoning of the business, then we’re done here.
Lighten up Oz, I’m not even involved with DSD yet I came on this blog to read this post.
Sometimes people want to be in the know, in terms of what’s going on in the industry.
Someone could have shared this link on Facebook or any Social Media Site, and Parish could have happen to see the link.
Bro you should learn how to see all sides, instead of being so black and white about things.
Obviously, you think your blog is controversial, but you would get a lot more web traffic and respect, if you shared both sides, instead of always taking the cynical approach.
Very corny man, you need to lighten up.
Feel free to share both sides of why Langille left DS Domination.
Not knowing both sides is precisely why I wrote this article…
Troy Dooly isn’t the best and most reputable source, but at least he attempt to look at both sides of the coin, whenever covering news on MLM companies.
Who knows maybe one day I’ll make it on this blog. lol smh
Hopefully not
Still wish you the best bro
Right, and we saw how a marketing fluff infused non-black and white approach to MLM reporting worked out with Zeek Rewards.
You wants facts and no-bullshit spin, you’re in the right place. Otherwise feel free to visit the PR spam sites for your MLM news and updates.
PS. This is offtopic, any further replies will be marked as spam.
Well, I’m basing this off of companies that I know you covered in the past.
I personally know, some of those stories you covered, where very one sided.
For instances, the whole GoFun Places, JubiRev and T Le Mont story.
You wrote as if those companies where intentionally designed to be Ponzi Schemes, so much so, that top Leaders promoted these companies,emphatically knowing that they were indeed Ponzi Schemes.
That’s so not true, as many leaders, genuinely wanted one of those companies to past the regulatory test, and did not know that these companies would eventually move from the U.S or just collapse.
While you were correct in your assessment about the companies, I just think you were way off, with making it seem like top leaders that promoted such companies, where doing so, knowing that those companies would eventually collapse.
Just be fair Oz, that’s all I’m saying.
Were they accurate?
Right, so now I’ve got an idea of where you’re coming from.
My response would be there is no other side to Ponzi schemes and serial Ponzi scammers. It’s investment fraud and the people who participate and promote them are scamsters.
I have no idea where you’d go to get “the other side” of Ponzi fraud but you’re not going to find it here any time soon.
Because they were.
Because they did.
That’s all that matters. Your sympathies towards Ponzi fraud and residents of the MLM underbelly are irrelevant.
Just a little criticism, don’t take it personal champ.
Ultimately, I’m just asking, that you share the positives as well.
If your agenda were to indeed “Keep it Real” so to speak, you would share about the posivtes that take place in this industry.
There are great things that happends “Behind MLM”, just as there are things that are not so pleasant, that take place.
Facts could be Positive, just as much, as they could come off Negative in some instances. Just saying.
Anyhow, mark it as spam, really don’t care my manz. Just felt the need to express, what I wrote about.
I’m actually one of the folks, who don’t fully knock this blog, as I tell others to use this blog, but don’t take everything as factual truth.
I leverage many resources to stay in the know.
Best,
Ralpheal
There is nothing positive about Ponzi investment fraud (the examples you cited).
Like I said, you probably want to hang out at the spam-ridden press-release sites if that’s what you’re after. We dig deeper than that here.
Me:
so much so, that top Leaders promoted these companies, emphatically knowing that they were indeed Ponzi Schemes.
You:
Because they did.
Me:
That’s your opinion, smh lol
Anyway, wish the best, peace
Those are the black and white facts as they stand. Opinion is neither here nor there.
There’s a little phrase that’s often used in these situations that covers your objection to Oz’ reporting style.
It goes something like this: “knew or should have known”.
Self professed “leaders” in the MLM industry cannot recommend and benefit via recruitment compensation from their involvement with a company while washing their hands of any responsibility for the wrongdoings of “management”
IOW, you can’t benefit from recruiting others into a ponzi scheme and claim innocence because you simply “didn’t know”
You accept money, then you SHOULD HAVE known.
rodney burton, the US top ufun recruiter, is also heavily involved with jetbox [illegal streaming], DSD and OD [ponzis]. he seems to be a top recruiter with DSD too because he is apparently in touch with the top management:
so, its obvious DSD members were seeing it going down, and hence this relaunch as version 2.
I knew all along that this was a Stupid Online Scam this guy Rodger left because he don’t want to be around when the FEDS Shut this Ponzi Scam down for good!
DS Domination has a product side and an affiliate side. We do not need to be affiliates if we do not want to earn from sponsering new members. Period.
Why do people assume that all DSD members are affiliates? Most of us just follow the training and earn a good income by dropshipping from Amazon and other sites. That’s it.
Some of us have built our income enough that we have gone on to sell on Amazon- again, just by following the training.
The training is the product of DS Domination. It works.
Sorry, what were you saying about assumptions again?
It makes no sense to continue to pay for access to training at a retail level month after month. The only people who would do so are affiliates, to remain commission qualified.
The only person blindly assuming anything here is you.
if it was so easy to make an income by just copy pasting products from amazon to ebay, the whole world would be doing it right?
this is already a overcrowded saturated space and the margins are very thin. it is difficult to find products differently priced on amazon or other sites, and even if you find a margin and are able to sell the product, the costs involved leave barely any profit.
for example if you copy paste an item from amazon to ebay and find a buyer you will have fees such as;
insertion fee
final value fee
payment processor fee
then you have your monthly spend on DS domination training.
all in all, drop shipping cannot generate the money which the training promises, it is the training ‘itself’ which can generate the money.
so, however DSD dresses it up, it is obvious that mostly all recruits are there for the ‘selling training’ business and not for the ‘drop shipping’ business.
this is just like zeek with it’s bids. the bids were genuine but Barely Anyone one used them, so they were a worthless product and the scheme was a scam, which paid for recruitment.
I Trust Roger and I trust DSD.
Have you never had some realization, that what your doing, is done; and that something else has gotten your interest and you want to pursue that?
He is no doubt in on what is happening with the company and it has no doubt changed his viewpoint dramatically.
I have heard it many times, that one who has ran MLM’s and have been in a position, as a Member; some positions one would just rather be in as, a member.
Positioning is everything in MLM’s; Everything.
It is his life, lets let him have his privacy and just trust this repositioning could be just everything, as a Member, only God and Roger knows.
Lets leave it at that. When you lose your trust, you lose everything.
Some people are just, so full of negativity, they want everything to fail, as Misery does love company…
So why WOULD he *give up* an existing position? Clearly, as you said, he knows something we don’t. And it doesn’t sound good.
Is that negativity though… or just… prudence?
Here’s the deal from as far as I can see based on what I know about DSD and OD and the owners:
First of all, DS Domination and Options Domination are two separate companies, with different ownership (although with some overlap)…
DSD is (or was) created and co-owned by Roger Langille, Hitesh Juneja, and Kevin Hokoana. Jason Rose is or was closely involved as well, but in what specific capacity I’m not sure.
The About Us page at dsdomination.com lists him as President. He was never present on any webinars as far as I recall, and was only really mentioned a few times.
I don’t believe he was ever an owner, but he does have an affiliate account and is the default sponsor for any non-coded and non-cookied DSD sales links.
Roger provided the dropshipping training, Hitesh did the coding and development, and Kevin provided marketing training and backend video work (editing, rendering, etc.)
Options Domination, on the other hand, is owned (in some combination) by Rose, Juneja, and possibly Hokoana. Rose has always been identified as the owner, but it would seem at least Juneja has some ownership or high official position (as here again he heads up all the development, and the software backend is even more integral to OD than DSD.)
Langille is not an owner in any capacity, and has reiterated multiple times that he is “just an affiliate” when it comes to OD. He was never even made an admin for the OD Facebook Group.
This entire article makes it obvious the author believes DSD and/or OD are faultering, and therefore Roger Langille is “jumping ship” so he can roll into another mlm or something of that nature.
However if you pay attention and are aware of a few non-public details, you can spot the subtle signals that suggest what really happened is Rose and Juneja forced him out.
Langille is not exactly as squeaky clean as he is made out to be (heck you can even read about some of that on this very blog: https://behindmlm.com/companies/roger-langille-buries-sozo-termination-hatchet/)… and it would appear Rose and Juneja finally decided he was too much of a liability.
Notice how in his signoff announcement Langille only thanked Hokoana, and made no mention of his other two partners.
He was also removed completely from the DSD About Us page (despite being a co-founder).
And notice his comment just earlier today:
“I have zero interest in supporting DS corporate in any fashion at all. I hope this clears things up.”
He also reiterates his position from the original announcement: “Again, I have nothing to sell you, I am in no other business…”
facebook.com/roger.langille.9/posts/10152866252086179
Rose and Juneja are not stupid, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they arranged for Langille to not promote any new business for some agreed period of time (possibly a year? Recall Roger’s statement “I want to assure you I have not joined anything else and have no intention to this year.”) (But maybe next year?)
They knew full well that as the face of DSD he could likely pull a great number (if not a majority) of paying subscribers away from DSD and OD.
TL;DR
So bottom line, despite the suggestive tone of this blog post, Langille is not “jumping ship” because DSD/OD are on the decline… I think it’s pretty evident he was forced out by the other owners who saw him as a liability to a couple of businesses that are most likely paying quite well.
^^ All I got from that was Langille was ousted from OD by Rose and Juneja because he was “a liability” who had apparently began to focus his attention elsewhere and might have raided the DSD/OD affiliate-base (either intentionally or unintentionally)… likely because DSD hit that 2 year recruitment-dependent nosedive.
Who leaves a successful business (one that he co-founded nonetheless) with such a shroud of secrecy?
Nobody, that’s who.
Oz asked: “Who leaves a successful business (one that he co-founded nonetheless) with such a shroud of secrecy?”
Someone who was forced out by other owners, and agreed to stipulations such as maintaining a certain level of “secrecy” as you put it, maybe?
Is it really so outlandish that someone could be forced out of a company and sign a confidentiality agreement and a non-compete clause as part of the terms of departure?
It sounds like you’re saying Langille couldn’t have been forced out because if that were the case he’d be broadcasting that’s what happened…and since he hasn’t announced such a thing, ipso facto he left because the companies are failing.
For one thing, if one is willing to read between some lines, if could be argued he kind of IS making such an announcement, albeit subtly.
For another, it’s not really unheard of that someone leaves a company more or less against their wishes and legally agrees to not reveal those kind of details.
Either way, you can certainly suggest the companies are failing. I’m simply saying I haven’t really seen any substantial evidence of that, and the simple act of “a co-founder leaving and not explaining exactly why” doesn’t really meet that criteria.
And more importantly, the facts surrounding Langille’s departure (especially combined with a few non-public details about some of his actions) suggest his departure was at the wishes of other owners, and not his own.
…because he was a liability looking at other opportunities because he saw the writing on the wall?
You can’t have it both ways. Either Langille was ousted for wanting to jump ship (because DSD is on the decline) or you’re “he was forced out” theory is off.
You can verify a gradual decline in interest in DS Domination yourself via Alexa traffic estimates. Those figures are only going to drop further as the year progresses.
I’m not sure how that makes sense: Why is “he wanted to jump ship” the only possible reason someone would be forced out of a company? There’s no other reason why owners might want someone gone, other than “this guy wants to leave?”
(And if someone wanted to leave, why would they have to be forced out?)
It’s not, but you’re asserting he was looking to promote another opportunity and was therfore a threat.
Owners of thriving MLM opportunities don’t look to begin promoting alternative opportunities, it makes little sense.
I’m not sure where you got that idea. Your blog post made it sound like that’s what you believe. (Maybe not that he was a “threat,” but at least that he would probably start promoting something else.) That’s what seems to be implied in the overall tone of the post.
I wasn’t suggesting he was a liability (and certainly not a “threat”) because he wanted to go promote something else, I’m saying his shady behavior (while in DSD, as well as before) made him a liability to the company, and by extension, the other owners…so they wanted him out and to disassociate from him.
That’s at least what all the evidence suggests: They forced him out because they didn’t want him being a part of the company if certain facts about him and things he’s done ever came to light, and/or if anyone decided to go after him legally.
And they (Juneja and Rose) arranged the terms of his departure such that he wouldn’t reveal the fact that he was forced out (and probably also that he wouldn’t promote anything else for a certain amount of time.
Because as you said, promoting mlm’s is what mlm people do, and without such a stipulation Langille probably would have rolled into something else and took a lot of paying customers with him.)
From this:
“I wasn’t suggesting he was a liability…”
Could have fooled me then…
Yes, I was saying if Langille were to promote something else he could potentially take a lot of DSD/OD customers with him…but I wasn’t suggesting that he wanted to and/or that is why he was forced out. You made an association that I did not express.
And yes, if you only focus on sentence fragments so as to ignore the entire sentence, I can see how you might be fooled.
Again…
It’s possible English isn’t your first language, so I won’t fault you for not following the structure there, but I’ll reword for clarity:
I wasn’t suggesting that Langille wanted to go promote something else, and therefore I certainly wasn’t suggesting that Langille wanting to go promote something else made him a liability. Rather, I was suggesting that he was a liability because of his shady behavior (while in DSD, as well as before).
One would have thought even if you misunderstood that statement, the three paragraphs following it would have made quite clear what I was saying:
Langille has exhibited a significant amount of (at the very least) shady behavior, and the evidence suggests that he was forced out because Juneja and Rose didn’t want themselves or their companies to be associated with him when/if (you know what) ever hit-the-fan.
Yet that’s exactly what you did.
TLDR: “Hay guys the sky is that color of the ocean… y’know, how you feel when you’re sad. That color.”
“Now hold up, I wasn’t suggesting the sky is blue…”
Agreed, that latest his exit from DSD. We can go around in cirlces here but unless more information surfaces, all we have is shady behaviour and DSD in decline to go on on.
I think claiming the other co-founders decided Langille was a liability because of his past, some two years into DSD (when said past has been made public) is a stretch.
Where did I suggest that Langille wanted leave DSD to go promote something else?
I suggested that after being forced out, he probably would have promoted something else, save for some kind of agreement not to. But I never suggested that it was his wish to leave or promote something else.
It’s a “last straw”/”broke the camel’s back” kind of thing.
(Again, not being sure of your familiarity with the English language, those are references to colloquialisms that speak to the combined effect of multiple things eventually leading to a major consequence, whereby no single thing alone created the consequence, but a single final action was the tipping-point-event.)
In other words, so that you do not misinterpret what I’m saying, I’m not literally talking about a straw or a camel, and I’m not saying that any one specific thing or even Langille’s public history prior to DSD is what caused his ousting…
I’m suggesting that the aggregate of his prior history combined with actions during his time with DSD (including quite recent things) resulted in the cumulative effect of his eventual ousting.
Actually Juneja just offered yet another small piece of implicative evidence…
facebook.com/hitesh.juneja.165/posts/387812761411418
Notice the wording…
This implies everything that DSD has done so far (with Roger at the helm and as the face of the company) was really not what the company is supposed to be about…a nice way to set up a company shift away from him.
And then…
This kind of wording only really makes sense if Roger died…or if he is no longer considered a leader and friend.
…suggesting Langille did not act in such a way.
Like I said, we can go around in circles on it until further clarification is made available (I understand English might not be your first language, so I wish to clarify that I am not literally talking about the two of us circumventing a spherical shape, metaphorically, physically or otherwise).
Chickens don’t come before eggs, and I assert that Langille had to have done something to be “ousted”. You say no single action caused this, I’d disagree. Langille said he was bored of DS Domination (read: it was in decline), so that leads to the search for another opportunity.
The other DSD Domination leaders didn’t like that and so here we are (I understand English might not be your first language, so I wish to clarify that I am not talking about chickens hatching eggs or eggs hatching chickens, which would be impossible).
You refer to them as “recent things”, so infact we are likely referring to one and the same – only you’re adding the extra weight of Langille’s past to it (I understand English might not be your first language, so I wish to clarify that Langille’s past, being actions, obviously hold no physical weight – this is an expression we of the English-speaking world use to clarify the importance (by metaphorical weight) of something).
I think in any event we can both agree that this has been handled terribly by both parties (I understand that English might not be your first language, so I wish to clarify that I am referring to DSD Domination and Roger Langille, and not an actual party, typically held to celebrate an event or occasion).
English is my native language, so no worries. It seems my giving you the benefit of that doubt in your case hurt your feelings or something, so if that’s the case, I apologize.
That wasn’t the intention, I was simply trying to give you the benefit of the doubt given the way you asserted I said things I did not (seemingly because you did not follow the sentence structure, for example when I said “I wasn’t suggesting he was a liability because he wanted to go promote something else,” and you took that to mean “I wasn’t suggesting he was a liability [period].”)
If you in fact did follow the sentence and were just purposefully building a straw man, then shame on you, I guess. The notion that you simply didn’t follow the sentence was simply an assumption of good faith.
That being said, I’m quite sure you’re not aware of the “recent things” and questionable actions of Langille during his tenure with DSD that I’m referring to (because if you were, one would assume you’d have at least mentioned them either in this post or some other.) So I really doubt we’re “referring to one and the same.”
Again, you seem to think Langille wanted to leave DSD and promote something else. I clearly stated multiple times, I do not.
And if that’s the case, why hasn’t he done so? (promote something else)
When Reginald Stinson was ousted (for example), he issued a statement offering details (true or not) about why he was no longer part of the company, and immediately rolled into Total Life Changes (seemingly attempting to bring as many people as possible with him).
Langille has offered essentially no details and has mentioned no new promotion (in fact repeatedly stating he will not be promoting anything for at least the rest of the year).
If that was the whole reason he left, why is he sitting around, claiming he has nothing new and no plans to promote anything? Why waste valuable time? Obviously the most successful procedure for “jumping ship” to a new company is to make known as soon as possible (while everything is fresh) where you’re “planting your flag” (as they say), so that as many people as possible will follow. (As well as offering at least some reasoning as to why you left, aka why everyone else should leave and follow you.)
Again, the evidence just doesn’t jibe with the scenario you seem to be asserting.
Oh shush now lol. I can’t recall how many times they have said their affiliate base is less than 30% of the company… of all the companies in this space, there’s is probably the only one where majority of the customers are plain customers and not recruiters/affiliates.
This is the problem with people like you, instead of noting that these guys did something right and holding others to that standard you live in denial claiming there is no way people are actually making money on the product side.
I’m making $6000+ in net profit for the past 4 months (thanks in part to my team) WITHOUT recruiting.
I will start in that soon, hopefully vip sessions at the event will get me started. There are many many other people I know making much more than me – none affiliates, all on the product side.
And the stuff hitesh announced on FB yesterday indicates they are moving even further in that direction.
As for all the consipiracies, it was no secret that roger was the charismatic ‘mlm’ guy in the company, hitesh was the numbers guy and very much anti-mlm and anti-emotional selling.
Heck roger said that himself at the last webinar they did together. i think it was a healthy difference of opinion and not malicious, they always had good respect for each other and roger often talked about how he was ‘rescued’ from mlms by hitesh’s mindset and ideas.
so i don’t think it was a forced out situation. my thoughts are still there is something medical or some actions that came to light that caused this. it was too abrupt for it to be anything else.
one point I would make – I have followed roger’s history a bit, since back in Visalus days. he has never lasted in any company for long.
Anyone looking at his history should be able to see how good he is at painting a story and getting people on his side.
In my 56 years of life dealing with many types of people I can say, when someone is always the victim and can never have stable relationships, watch out for him.
I smell a rat here, roger’s FB posts are too dramatic, like he is some average guy going through transition in life and he is stringing along the people he can.
lol as I type this out my own thoughts are becoming clearer… someone help me I’m becoming a conspiracy guy myself.
oh shush now LMAO. with so much retail going on, why was DSD in decline and needing a Version2 ?
70% retail! gosh you guys need to run to the FTC and get yourselves anointed as the MLM of the century, or something.
i think your talents lie more in the fabrication/story telling niche.
After seeing the webinar last night(or in the early am here) it struck me, the different direction DS is taking.
Gone are the fortnightly webinars, which were a basic rehash of previous ones (Which I’ll miss!), to be replaced by hangouts, weekly from ‘leaders’ who are expert in particular DS ‘niches’!
It was at that point it struck home, that Roger left, because he didn’t agree in the new direction that this was taking! It’s almost that they’re wiping him out. I thereby Googled and ended up here (again!)
Just for the record, DS is the only online program in which I have made a slow, but steady income.
My PP balance have never been so good, finally, I can do all this online, with out using any cards! (they’re all maxed out with joining dud opportunities) I’ve recently subscribed as an affiliate as I can wholeheartedly shout about this with a clear conscious and have screen shots to prove it.
I have no interest or comment about OD. I am curious though, how the hell do you consider this a ponzi?
There is a tangible product, the training, and soon, when they’ll have a fully integrated eBay management system in the back office, affiliates will take a percentage of your sales, from an external source.
There weren’t Ponzi concerns with DSD, it was chain-recruitment that was the problem.
A company can be selling a LOT of different things.
Most MLMs sell product or service. I.e. I buy some Nutrilite vitamins from Amway, or some makeup from Nuskin, or legal insurance from LegalShield.
But HOW MUCH of the company’s profit, and how much it’s paying the participants, are derived from the sales of such product or service is the key in determining the viability and legality.
Pyramid schemes pay people on other people joining. A hybrid scheme, known as “product-based pyramid scheme” looks like MLM, but is really a pyramid scheme because product is BUNDLED with membership (i.e. people joining).
They will keep insisting “we have sales!” but when it’s conflated with recruitment (i.e. starter kit) then things gets very very confusing. It gets even worse when there are monthly subscription involved just so the member can get paid (i.e. keep this subscription up or you don’t get paid by sales of your downlines).
This is what Oz is talking about: chain recruitment, where the real money made is from recruiting new members (and have them pay for things, like you did).
DSD sells both training AND a subscription to its services (i.e. “eBay management system”) Thus, there is going to be a whiff of bad odor. How much of that is bad, well, would be your decision.
I don’t doubt there’s SOME gems in those lessons of theirs, but the way they are selling them may give you pause.
This is an interesting thread but I believe Roger was a liability, he didn’t want his past to be on blast, and how he handled ousting Reginald Stinson (UOP) was wrong. Karma is a b*tch as they would say.
The event was boring and you can tell that without the UOP the crowd does not have that get up and go energy. There are a lot of older white americans doing this internet marketing thing.
They are having success but some arent, but its recognizing that all the leaders they have elevated as trainers all came from Reginald’s UOP team.
You cannot deny that! So its interesting how they are revamping because Reginald had the experience to create a training system for his team which brought a lot of people into the business.
Now that he is gone you definitely notice a difference.
I don’t understand why they would schedule an event a week before a UOP event that was scheduled in June. That was shady and let it be known.
The Atlanta event that was hosted by the UOP team but allowed folks from other teams to attend brought more value than this DSD event. The Dallas event is lame.
@Samantha Rae
I find that interesting, I wasn’t aware that Roger was in UOP!!
Now I understand why Roger apparently made bad references and implications, on FB, against Jacque (E-ListerPro), with reference to ‘Secret tea drinking group’.
This goes far beyond, Roger’s belief that using ELP will get your eBay account shut down!!!
well reginald stinson and his UOP [unit of prosperity] have shifted their attention to jetbox and TLC [total life changes]
rodney burton of utoken fame did not find the DSD dallas event lame at all.
he walked out with a check for over 200.000$ for his efforts.
strangely in betwixt all the partying and drinking binges, or even when he’s sober, burton Never says Anything about how much sales he makes via dropshipping and how much he profits from that.
all we can deduce is that rodney burton makes tons of money selling ‘training’ which teaches people about dropshipping.
the FTC and SEC are highly critical of :
so, sale of product is not Enough. Consumption of the product is equally neccessary.
in zeek the product ie ‘bids’ were barely consumed
in telexfree the product ie ‘VOIP’ was marginally used by a few affiliates
in DSD the training is equally worthless as only a few affiliates may be actually be trying their hand at dropshipping.
*believe it or not*
kevin thompson attended the dallas convention of DSD version2 and blessed it!
all DSD is selling is training! it’s just like the ‘dare to be great’ scheme which was brought down by the FTC/SEC
in DSD, recruits pay a monthly subscription, but unless they actually dropship, why would they pay month after month?
this is such a recruitment scam, i cant believe kevin thompson ‘blessed it’!
in zeek and telexfree by studying the companies accounts regulators could calculate how many bids or VOIP packages had been consumed.
in DSD, since dropshipping is an ‘independent activity’ undertaken by the affiliates, it is impossible to deduce how many actually dropship.
DSD can go around pretending that all their affiliates are dropshipping like crazy, without having to produce any data to back it up!
‘proving’ the ‘non viability’ of DSD’s ‘training service’ would be difficult for a regulator and hence the ‘grass is green’ on their side?
Dropshipping is irrelevant to analysis of the comp plan, as it’s entirely third-party.
What matters here is the ratio of retail signups (affiliates who stop paying fees and go inactive are not retail customers), and whether it’s significantly higher than revenue generated by affiliate fees and their monthly payment.
DSD has a tracking system to help track sales and prices. All that information is stored and can be reviewed by the owners. So if they wanted to prove to someone that people were actually using and making money from their product they could and probably have when needed.
As someone that uses DSD only for the training I will say there is not much reason to pay month after month since they don’t actually provide tools that speed anything up enough to make it worth the cost of anything past the $20.00 plan.
That being said, it seems to me that the owners realize this major problem in their service and know that if they want to survive they will have to offer better tools. Version 2.0 seems to do that.
So, the way i see it, they started a company with a goal of providing training and tools that made dropshipping a scale-able business for the average person while still making themselves and the company a lot of money(as any owners should).
They tried their best but didn’t accomplish everything they wanted to. So, as they should for themselves and their users, they looked at what they got wrong and how they could fix it and are rolling out 2.0 to solve these problems.
Looks to me like they have listened to the complaints of their customers and are addressing the issues.
As for Rodger, if I’m honest I don’t mind seeing him go.
He comes off as a little arrogant and lazy. Which I don’t have a big problem with, except if your going to try and run a company that is providing training in an industry with some many changes, updates and new techniques.
He just doesn’t seem to have the drive needed, like the other owners. But that’s just my perception based off of very little interaction with him.
Rodger leaving will most likely be the best thing for the customers and the company, especially if he was against what looks to be the best thing that ever happened to DSD in 2.0.
I have a question: Why is everyone so concerned why Mr. Langille left. People leave, so what move on.
As far as the “scam” “mlm: thing seriously people get over it, all you see is the majority of these type of website SCREAM SCAM SCAM, OMG why did they leave.
Instead of being like the “rest” how about doing some actual research with facts.
It is stuff like this that gives the “industry” a bad name and you are making it bad for everyone else.
As far as DSD 2.0 goes is it a scam? LAUGHABLE to say the least.
How can you do a review on a company when you have no CLUE. Seriously.
I am with Parrish. Yes I am a current affiliate of DS Domination and have helped lots of people replace their income using drop shipping.
It is completely legal!! Large corporations have done it for years. Do you honestly think everything at Wal-Mart comes from Wal-Mart?
NO IT DOES NOT!!
I have personally made a great income from DSD and will continue to do so. Not just drop shipping, affiliate commissions, and have our own successful branded products on Amazon.
MULTIPLE STREAMS of INCOME all within one company. COMPLETELY legal and successful.
Stop focusing on all the drama BS and DO your research backed up with FACTS PERIOD!!
DSD 2.0 is beyond anything that DSD was before Roger Langile, the entire ecommerce process is completely automated you wont FIND THAT ANYWHERE.
“Promote What You Love Don’t Bash What You Hate”
Dsd 1 is dead. Dsd 2.0 is resssurected and greater than ever. This whole thread is a waste of time if you are trying to explain Dsd.
Dsd 2.0 has nothing to do with Roger and is 10x greater.
I love Roger and what he has done. Always be my friend. But Dsd 2.0 has nothing to do with any words I have read in the above statement to this little blog. #Dsd2 #DsdRocks #Dsd4Life
why are you so concerned people wonder why? people do that, so what move on.
the only people ‘screaming’ are scam defenders such as yourself. There certainly isn’t any ‘screaming’ in the review. drama queen much?
Drama Queen LOL!! Scam defenders WOW nice comeback!!
I have seen a lot of MLM programs and I will always defend the ones that are not scams, even when I am not affiliated with them.
Truth is “Whip” have you actually checked you facts, give me Proof of the “scam”.
There may be less mystery regarding Roger than the discussions here have turned up.
In business it is certainly not unheard of to have a falling out between partners. Eventually someone gets under someone else’s skin and a serious question may arise about who is in charge. Emotions run high and certain ones may leave without any external logical explanation.
While it may not likely to be the case here, it is not unheard of that marriages come under stress for various reasons.
People may simply not choose to deal with one another for whatever the reason. The real details no one involved wants to discuss, citing “personal factors”.
MLMs come and go, what is new, anyone remember Fortune High Tech Marketing? ASD or Zeek rewards?
All come and gone, one reason why I am learning binary options and forex. Day trading isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
Ah- blind assumptions.
Oz, it makes no sense to you because you are not in DSD. There are ongoing live training webinars. A responsive Help Desk for answers to questions. SEVERAL very active Facebook groups for additional support.
Also, $20 a month is a pittance if the DSD training is working for me- which it is.
How about listing 67 items, and selling 44 of them? In a 3 month period. Not a dime of that profit came from recruiting. It ALL came from the trainings, both the live webinars where we can ask questions, and the prerecorded training modules in the DSD back office.
What makes no sense to me is that many of the naysayers HAVE NOT BEEN IN DSD, so of course they do not have an accurate perspective from which to form an opinion. Including you, Oz.
So the public continues to read all of this speculative nonsense, and doesn’t earn a dime from the easiest, clearest income-generating system that I have seen.
And because of so-called authoritative articles like yours, people will pass up DS Domination, because they read in a blog that DSD is a scam. And of course the guy knows what he’s talking about, right? Because he’s got a real, live WEBSITE! And he KNOWS STUFF! SO he’s got to be right!!!
Why don’t you invest a measly 20 bucks in the name of REAL research, so your “Authority” and “Knowledge” has some experience to back it up?
You can deduct it on your tax return as a business expense, so why not do some REAL research before you run your mouth about a business that you have never been a part of?
The whole world would if they knew how to do it like DSD train us to do.
I wish I had the statistics here to answer the saturation issue accurately, anjali.
The margins are thin only if you think like a budget shopper. DSD does not market to budget shoppers. Think of Walmart vs Macy’s. DSD teaches it’s members to market to the Macy’s catagory of shoppers on eBay.
We are taught to list in a manner that appeals to the impulse buyers, the affluent buyers, etc. Of course our listing prices are high. That does not stop us from selling at our price.
It is not hard to find items on Amazon and the other sites if you know how to look, and what to look for. You can’t just list anything and have it sell. DSD teaches us that.
All rolled into the listing price, so the buyer pays those for us. DS domination training cost is covered by profits. WELL COVERED. 🙂
All fees, training costs, etc are tax deductible, too. I don’t rely on those tax deductions, but it’s really nice that the IRS allows those as part of my business expenses.
The “training itself” generates no income UNLESS I USE IT BY LISTING AND SELLING PRODUCTS. Which I do. An example of that is 67 listings and 44 sales in 3 months. That is a very high rate of sales that resulted from dropshipping, by using the DSD training.
Roger did that for 10 years before he started teaching people how to do it. His gross sales averaged over a million dollars a year. His profits averaged around $200,000 a year. He was a titanium power seller.
He now sells on Amazon, using the same techniques that he teaches us in the Genesis package of DS Domination. In Genesis, we source our pruducts from both the US, and from China. Safely. Roger teaches how to do that without risking our money. Amazon has 5 times more traffic than it’s next 5 online competetors combined.
I am not talking here about additional income from recruiting, just so you know that. I only have one person in my downline.
She sought me out because she read some of my posts in a DSD Facebook group where I was among many who help out members with questions.
Anjali, DS Domination works. It honestly works.
@Donna
You don’t need to be in a business to understand and analyze its business model. That’s a strawman argument.
Ditto trying to dismiss facts as “opinion”.
No it didn’t, it came from your participation in third-party services which have nothing to do with DSD Domination.
You even admit it yourself:
Claiming external revenue as having anything to do with DS Domination is disingenuous.
Pittance or not, are you paying $20 a month for the same “training” each month, or because it qualifies you to earn commissions?
And, out of curiosity, how many retail (non-affiliate) signups do you have? How many affiliate signups do you have?
Ah I see, so 100% of your DS Domination income is derived via affiliate recruitment.
BehindMLM reviews and analysis are based on business models (compensation plan). Which you’d know if… y’know, you’d bothered to read any of them.
Oz,
“You don’t need to be in a business to understand and analyze its business model. That’s a strawman argument.”
You can not analyze what you do not know. You, Oz, do not know the eBay training of DSD because you have never done or seen it. And you know very well that I do not mean the recruiting side of DSD when I say that.
“Ditto trying to dismiss facts as “opinion”.
You do this to my comments about the DSD training and it’s efficacy. You don’t know it, have never seen it, but you dismiss the facts as opinion.
“No it didn’t, it came from your participation in third-party services which have nothing to do with DSD Domination.”
It had EVERTHING to do with DS Domination. DSD trained me to use the 3rd party sources for my profit. You are talking about Amazon, eBay, etc here, correct? You did not specify which 3rd party services you were referring to.
“You even admit it yourself: The “training itself” generates no income ”
You had to take my words out of context here in order to attempt to rebutt them. That is dishonest, and is further evidence that you are willing to do what it takes to win a debate, including misrepresenting what I said.
My complete comment was:
The “training itself” generates no income UNLESS I USE IT BY LISTING AND SELLING PRODUCTS. Which I do. An example of that is 67 listings and 44 sales in 3 months. That is a very high rate of sales that resulted from dropshipping, by using the DSD training.
Put IT ALL in, or do not waste our time. IF you are sincere, and not dishonest. You followed up with this:
“Claiming external revenue as having anything to do with DS Domination is disingenuous.” I am unsure what claiming of external revenue means that you are referring to here. I list items on eBay from Amazon, and they frequently sell. Period.
“Pittance or not, are you paying $20 a month for the same “training” each month, or because it qualifies you to earn commissions?”
I pay $20 a month so I can continue to receive NEW training as it becomes available, including live webinars, listing tweaking techniques, the DSD Help Desk, etc. As well as certain tools that are for DSD members only. This is not for recruiting, OZ. It is for the listing traing etc.
“And, out of curiosity, how many retail (non-affiliate) signups do you have? How many affiliate signups do you have?”
I don’t know what you mean by retail signups. I have one affiliate, who tracked me down and asked if she could re-sign up under me because she needed help. She had seen my posts in one of the DSD Facebook groups where I was answering a member’s questions.
Many of us like to help new members when they ask for help. I get a lot of satisfaction from that. I guess it comes from my corporate trainer days. I hate to see someone flounder when they don’t understand something.
“Ah I see, so 100% of your DS Domination income is derived via affiliate recruitment.”
No sir, you act like you do not understand. I am not employed by DS Domination. I explained where my income comes from. You are purposely saying this so you can score a ‘Gotcha!”
Reread my comments, Oz. 99.999999999% etc of my DSD income comes from using the DSD training to sell on eBay. 44 sales out of 67 listings in 3 months’ time.
And so that you don’t jump in with the obvious, by demanding that I MUST PAY if I want to recruit, let me clearly state that I pay an additional $10 a month so that I can recruit if I choose to.
I get half of my recruit’s $20 a month DSD fees. So I do not rely on recruiting for my DSD income. Just selling on eBay, OZ.
“BehindMLM reviews and analysis are based on business models (compensation plan). Which you’d know if… y’know, you’d bothered to read any of them.”
You knew I read some of them, Oz. Otherwise I wouldn’t have been commenting. I read enough of your comments and the article to learn that you don’t have a clue about how DSD teaches us to sell on eBay.
You can only relate to the affiliate side of DSD, because that’s all you know- past businesses that rely on constantly recruiting to stay alive.
You apply your past knowlege of other MLM plans, primarily the negative ones, to ALL OF DS Domination, because you are too cheap to part with $20 to learn the eBay side of DS Domination.
Of course, doing that would make you have to actually learn to research products, learn what sells, decide on a price for a listing, list the item, and most importantly-
CHANGE YOUR MIND and ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG. And people like you can not afford THAT particular price. You prefer snarky, dishonest half-facts so that you can look like the know-all and be-all that you claim to be.
‘eBay training’? lmao. yeah…..it’s real hard to sell legitimate items on eBay.
It is so easy to find a profitable product to sell on ebay, there are 1000’s of dropshippers who dont charge a fee.
A little free google research on how to list with placement of good keywords and description and there you have it, a profitable ebay listing.
And to sell amazon products to your ebay customers in my view is scam because they are mighty pissed when their item arrives in an amazon box and the customer researches to find it cheaper on amazon and then you get bad feedback…
DSD sucks and not needed except for affiliate comissions.
It’s interesting you’re basically screaming “look here, not there, stop looking there!”
Does that mean you acknowledge that DSD is basically half of a mess and half of it that *may* hold some value?
the ‘training’ may generate income for you personally, from dropshipping.
the dropshipping does not generate any income for DSD.
DSD’s income comes only from selling affiliate memberships and monthly autoship, with ‘training’ bundled with it. commissions are then paid on these bundled memberships, which equates it to recruitment commissions which is illegal.
separate the membership from training packages, make the autoship non compulsory, prove that people are buying the training purely for it’s ‘value’, and then you may have a point to make.
your personal experience of dropshipping does not translate to Every DSD affiliate actually engaging in dropshipping and making money off it. since it is implausible to believe that every DSD affiliate is running a profitable dropshipping business, why will affiliates keep paying 20$ every month?
if the training’s are so wonderful, they should be available to affiliates who want to purchase them at will. why do you need a monthly autoship? release a training video for 20$ and let affiliates access it, and pay for it, if they want to.
when all affiliates have to force buy the product and go on autoship, it speaks of a recruitment scheme.
don’t bust all your arteries here.
save some energy towards understanding how MLM is supposed to work.
glad that you are successful with your dropshipping, but that has nothing to do with DSD’s MLM business model.
Ummm…what is the definition of a ponzi scheme?
investopedia.com/terms/p/ponzischeme.asp
ds domination — ponzi scheme ….. ummm…. I don’t see the connection….what am I missing??
Last time I checked ponzi schemes were illegal..
@smartguy
I believe Ponzi schemes were mentioned in relation to other schemes (after DS Domination affiliate had a cry about BehindMLM’s reviews of them).
I make money almost every day because of the training I received from DSD. It was a one-time fee. I’m not sure where this autoship idea is coming from. There is no tea, vitamins, or weight loss powders involved.
So you say the DSD training has nothing to do with DSD members’ income? Would you also say that (Ozedit: Non-MLM derail attempts removed)
Within the context of an MLM opportunity, precisely.
What money you make outside of DS Domination has no bearing on their revenue as a company.
He’s back:
Yeah, the price is yet too high at $249 and $497 after some date according to the site. I was looking forward to being a part, but I don’t know where these owners get prices like this.
If I had $249+ laying around to put towards some random thing, then I wouldn’t need his help. It was very frustrating to see that price.