BitClub Network out of funds? ClubCoin announced…
Putting aside the fact that BitClub Network simply take newly invested funds and use it to pay off existing investors, the ruse behind the scheme is that BitCoin mining will somehow consistently deliver >100% ROIs every 1000 days.
That’s irrespective of how much is invested and irrespective of fluctuations in the value of BitCoin, otherwise BitClub Network’s premise doesn’t work.
Quite obviously, the only way >100% ROIs can be paid out by ignoring invested amounts and the value of BitCoin, is if the ROIs paid out are pegged to something else entirely.
That of course brings us back to newly invested funds, which appear to be running out.
Is BitClub Network on the verge of collapse? The introduction of ClubCoin certainly suggests so.
If BitClub did infact run out of newly invested funds, meaning they were relying solely on whatever mining operations they had going, affiliates would be likely to see fruitful ROIs promised – even after 1000 days.
The value of BitCoin has been in decline for a year, and doesn’t appear to be going up anytime soon. And even if it did, you’re still looking at a 36.6% annual ROI required just for BitCoin Club affiliates to break even (sans any recycled affiliate funds paid out as a ROI).
So what happens if those running BitClub Network, who just happen to be ex-invesors in an $850 million Ponzi scheme, realize that’s not going to happen?
This:
BitClub Network is excited to announce the Pre-Launch and Pre-Mining for a new Proof-of-stake coin called ClubCoin!
This coin will be issued to all BitClub members for FREE and will become an accepted currency of BitClub Network.
There are many ways to earn ClubCoin and as a member of BitClub you will have the opportunity to buy it, sell it, trade it, exchange it, or use it within BitClub Network for products and services.
With BitClub Network affiliate’s real money all but paid out, they’re now looking to pay people with a worthless virtual currency they’ve set up themselves.
And I know what you’re thinking, isn’t the whole point of BitClub Network y’know, BitCoin?
Yeah it is. But ClubCoin isn’t meant to be used outside of BitClub Network backoffices.
Oh they’ll tell you about grandiose plans for it to be the number 1 cryptocurrency and how eleventy billion merchants will be accepting as of yesterday etc., but make no mistake, it exists only so that BitClub Network can stop paying their affiliates cash ROIs each month.
After all, you can’t keep paying out cash (or even BitCoin for that matter) if there’s none left in the kitty.
Worse still, the method BitClub Network are using to distribute ClubCoin is “proof of stake”.
This fits right into BitClub Network’s existing investment model, with a promo video explaining that “the more coins you hold, the more coins you are issued”.
So in effect, those who have invested and re-invested the most in BitClub Network, stand to gain the most.
Well, the most of a cryptocurrency that holds no value other than the promise of new investor funds picking it up so that a value can then be assigned to it – all within the initial 1000 day period BitClub Network’s early adopters got on board.
What happens when that doesn’t happen?
Stay tuned…
Obviously the token mining falls far short of the ridiculous rates of return they claim to make. That’s all there is to it.
It looks like MLM Junkie, J. Ryan Conley, missed the memo. He recently joined BitClub and is promoting it like crazy.
Any updates here…
Bitclub is running like no one can stop it.
We are now the 13the biggest Bitcoin Mining Farm and growing fast.
Bitclub pay out approx. 0,2% a day. They really pay and I can withdraw it to my bancaccount. I sign up at Bitclub in begin of mars 2015.
DJ do you have any experience with the John Ryan Conley MLM Junkie? He sponsored me into the Bitclub Network offer.. assuring me it was “different” legit and paying out substantial 6-8% per month.
Let me know if you have anything concrete as we are looking for any evidence of a premeditated “Fraud” for USA enforcement.
@Burned Once
J Ryan Conley has joined quite a few “different” programs such as Isagenix, Viewtrakr, Staged, Buzztrakr, Kannaway, Brain Abundance, Ingreso Cybernetico, Wake Up Now, YOBN, Jeunesse, OneCoin, BitClub Network, IQKonnect, TSU, Elevate Solar and Solavei.
His goal is to make money by any means possible by convincing others to join his next “different” scheme.
He admittedly has ADHD, a marriage that’s on the rocks; and, you will notice him selling his belongings whenever money gets tight.
I have no correlation wit the Bitclub Network however I do have knowledge of legitimate crypto currency by way of the blockchain etc.. a Proof of Stake coin / currency is not a fraud..
Peer Coin, (peer unity), Ruby Coin Black Coin and GCR Coin are some of the PoS (Proof of Stake) coins and they are legit and earning using the rewards on the network versus Proof of Work (PoW) which rewards the miner on use of electricity, skill and machinary such as Bitcoin, Litecoin, Feathercoin and many other coins today.
Lot more to it. Just get your knowledge on Blockchain and distribution of coin and you should never be scammed in this space unless you are not taking accountability.
You can attach a blockchain to a Ponzi scheme but it’s still a Ponzi scheme.
This is crazy! I have been getting paid out by Bitclub every day for 3 months straight.
Every one of their mining transactions is visible to anyone and the whole business model is 100% viable. (Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempt removed)
Instead of writing this stuff imagine if you had got involved instead? I joined when Bitcoin was $228 now it is $470. Do the math!
Whether you have been getting paid or not is irrelevant.
BitClub Network offer unregistered securities with any purported mining activity clearly not enough to sustain ongoing ROIs. Ergo newly invested funds are being used to pay off existing investors.
And Madoff paid people off for more than a decade. So what?
Anyone smarter than me (that is most 🙂 ) please advice on this comment about clubcoin from a bitclub group. Is this a good thin? Is club coin legit or just a pawn making something out of nothing sound good?
Comment is in regards to this website bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-CLUB
Bitclub is obviously putting their money where their mouth is. I have not see such beautiful buy support in a LONG time. (Buy support is the extra BTC on the buy side basically backing the price of the coin with BTC)
What does Bittrex have to do with BitClub Network using newly invested funds to pay off existing investors?
Look at the market trade history timestamps, they set that up solely as a marketing tool (and it worked to some extent, here you are).
LOL. Ok, let’s do the math.
Seeing as you’re a hi flyer in this sort of sh*t, let’s suppose you went full ‘founder’ @ $3,599 3 months ago.
In that time, BCN will have credited you with ~0.02BTC per day for withdrawal, or a total of about 1.8BTC @ $470 = $883, so you’re down $2616. All you have in return is an untradable promise.
If you’d have taken that $3,599 and just bought bitcoin instead, you’d have $3713 profit, instantly convertable.
Actually no, you wouldn’t just have a poor investment and an untradable dodgy asset if you’d gone ‘founder’, you’d have access to the MLM matrix, which is of course, the only reason for BCN’s existence and the only reason for the interest in Bitcoin as currently being expressed by the likes of you and J.Ryan etc. etc. (laughed my ass off at JR’s latest hubris on FB, “Roger Ver and I”).
I see BCN have added 10 PH/s to their pool, under the reference BitClubfury. This may be new Bitfury machines or shared hashing, impossible to tell, but a couple of us have been looking thru the ‘totally transparent’ blockchain transactions outputs of BCN.
Why would a miner put newly minted coins straight thru a mixer? Various answers to that…..
I’m in it, been getting BitCoin paid daily…The site expressly states there is NO guaranteed ROI, so i’m not sure why i keep reading quotes about greater than 100% ROI expected or promised – that is not the case.
As someone who has been burned in programs like Zeek, i’m as skeptical as it gets – and at the same time, i have a bit of a lottery personality… so i’m the first to admit i’m definitely taking a chance here by being a founder in Bit Club Network. Like any other program, it could disappear tomorrow…
However, the blockchain and BCN itself is completely transparent. We are currently the 6th biggest mining pool…you or anyone can see exactly how many blocks we have gotten on a daily basis.
My personal hope is to have accumulated 40 – 60 bitcoin in the next 3 years or so…but nothing has been promised or guaranteed to me…
so is this a risk? Sure it is – it’s taking a chance that BitCoin may someday hit 10k/coin. I look at it as the best way for an average person to get involved in BitCoin mining…
I don’t have the tech savvy to do my own mining, and I don’t have the opportunity (or cash) to get into bigger pools like F2 etc.
Come on chief, you didn’t invest because you liked their logo.
you should know better – but here we are.
Bitcoin and Club coin. Everyone just made because we making millionaires and people make excuses.
Why would a billionaire like Bill Gates and Sir Richard Brandson invest into bitcoin?? Exactly because the super rich are on a diff level. I can take my bitcoin go to the lamborghini dealership and buy a lamborghini. 🙂
Remember the Rich are Rich for a reason poor people will only make excuses to make themselves fell better about their broke ass lifestyle.
While I can blow 75,000 on watch. Bitclubnetwork is the best company out there. Humble people helping others become millionaires.
^^ What does any of that have to do with using newly invested funds to pay off existing investors?
How many have you made?
I am not involved at all in BitClub but you guys are totally wrong on these guys. Ryan C is a great guy and a super hard worker.
Wayyyyyy to many people here with broken mindsets. BItClub is the real deal. This thing looks, smells and runs like a winner.
I am not involved because I am a firm believer in singular focus but man I really like what these guys are doing. KEEP ROCKING BITCLUB.
What does any of that have to do with using newly invested funds to pay off existing investors?
So was Bernie Madoff by all accounts.
Now, back to the question of him using newly invested funds to pay off existing investors……………………………..
That you know of, but then, the Bible says:
“So it is no surprise if his [Satan’s] servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness.” — 2 Corinthians 11:15
Hahaha, you got it in one.
There has been a handbags spat between Roger Ver and J Ryan/Joby Weeks over the linking of his name to BitClub. They faced off on audio in Acapulco recently and I wrote it up here
bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1152263.msg13895848#msg13895848
In it, Weeks goes full on with claims about BCN access to the latest mining tech from Bitfury, claims which flatly contradict their official position.
I have asked Bitfury for their response and will update you accordingly.
Bitfury responded, re BCN claims to be using a miner that is not yet being produced
same link.
So it’s another “memorandum of understanding” passed on as fait accompli
Bitclub continues to roll on. Successfully mining Ethereum too and soon Z Cash. Club Coin up in value recently as well. Merchant program will start soon.
This club will continue to pay out people for many years. What many of you do not understand is the power of repurchasing and the power of a long term vision.
I am still enjoying daily returns of Bitcoin plus a multitude of commissions and bonuses. Cannot see why anyone would not enjoy this.
No matter how much is reinvested, Ponzi schemes only pay out as long as new funds enter the system.
The long-ass maturity period prolongs the collapse. It’s a Ponzi in slow motion.
Ethereum, Z Cash, Club Coin, your Ponzi has already collapsed and restarted right before your eyes.
Thanks for the infomercial Mr. Todd.
Yeah, BCN did what it set out to, provide a “Get on this hot new thang” hook to hang an MLM trough off of.
The rump does indeed stagger along, with dust payments for trapped punters (those that haven’t had their contracts ripped up) as can be seen clearly in the comments here: 99bitcoins.com/anatomy-bitcoin-scam-bitclub-network-analyzed/comment-page-1/
I’m more interested now in exactly how deep the relationship is between BCN and supposedly respectable Genesis mining.
BCN are reselling their ETH and Zcash schemes (and mustn’t forget the ill fated super arb trading bot) which probably confirms my suspicion that you never actually had any BTC miners and were just rebranding theirs all along.
What’s your latest “great new thing”? Crowdify? LOL.
Bitclub has now mined over 75,000 bitcoins. They have been in business now for more than 4 years. There are over 1,000,000 members around the world.
Its unfortunate that you post such negative things about them. Many people believe what you write and then they decide not to join Bitclub and miss the opportunity. Such a shame.
Without regulatory disclosure, which BitClub Network’s owners have purposefully avoided, you can’t state that as fact.
Yeah, yeah… blahblahblah “blockchain”. Anyone can name a mining pool anything.
Appearing on the blockchain is not proof BitClub Network as a company are doing anything. Neither is it proof mining revenue is being used to pay affiliates.
Blockchain is not a substitute for legally required regulatory filings and disclosure.
It’s unfortunate that BitClub Network scammers continue to prey on ignorant victims. I do my best here to even out the field.
Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities was “in business” for 28 years and is generally recognized as being the largest fraud in US history
Your point being ??
Well this wouldn’t be the same Joby Weeks commenting how people are missing out on a great opportunity, that was listed as the founder of the company in previous recruiting videos?
Didn’t you mistype and mean to say there are 7.6 billion active members in bitclub? If you are going to exaggerate your pyramid scheme, why not go all the way and say everyone in the world is a member?
It was a nice complement to OZ though, acknowledging his website has done some great work, saving people from your scheme :).
Everyone knows that the BCN website shut down. In Spain, a large bunch of uplines are coming from Scandinavia (and Spain).
Most of their downlines are asked just to wait … maybe it all starts up again, maybe we get something back… bla-bla-bla …. they keep people going!
It hurts my heart, when uplines say they sleep brilliantly at night. Even until August they hunted victims. Unsympathetic.
In US you have the FBI and MLM isn’t league over there. But in Europe, when it’s scam, MLM isn’t legal, I think.
Anyone here think it will be useful to go to Europol?
If OneCoin is anything to go by, European authorities are pretty useless when it comes to Ponzi schemes.