Is OneCoin’s merchant app a €399 white-label platform?
Would it be too much to expect a self-proclaimed multi-billion dollar company to hire coders to put together a custom app platform?
When it comes to OneCoin, apparently so.
Tiger App Creator offer a white-label app creation process for as little as €15 EUR a month.
Create effective, white-label apps for small business. No technical knowledge needed.
In a matter of minutes, create Iphone and Android native apps, as well as a mobile website for many small businesses.
If a company wants to run its own app platform and resell apps, the cost is €399 EUR one-time.
Coinciding with their “stock video == blockchain” PR disaster “G-knee-sis” event in Thailand earlier this month, OneCoin announced a Mobile App Builder (MAB) platform.
As of October 3rd, 2016, OneLife IMAs will be able to buy and distribute the latest addition to the OneLife products portfolio – the M.A.B. An innovative mobile application builder, fit for use by public figures, entrepreneurs and business owners, allowing them to build their own customized mobile application from scratch with no programming skills required.
The M.A.B. is easy to use and maintain and will provide a solution for millions of businesses to expand their market and reach new customer base in a non intrusive, targeted and personal way.
The M.A.B. package will also bring network benefits for the IMA distributors and an additional max out reward.
While all of that might be true, turns out MAB isn’t really a OneCoin product. They’ve just white-labelled someone else’s product and are reselling access to it.
Here’s MAB’s discount creator editor:
And here’s the vanilla Tiger App Creator version:
Here’s MAB’s loyalty card creator page:
And again the corresponding Tiger App Creator vanilla page:
OneCoin outsourcing their app platform isn’t so much a problem if Tiger App Creator’s platform does what it says it does (and I have no reason to believe it doesn’t), but it does make you wonder about OneCoin’s blockchain.
Here is a company that apparently has a dedicated programming team working on a blockchain that can be willy-nilly changed, tampered with, suspended and rebooted on a dime.
Yet to create a merchant app platform, OneCoin has pretty much outsourced a “what you see is what you get” solution for €399.
Doesn’t really add up, does it.
Meanwhile on the regulatory side of things, whether Tiger App Creator are comfortable with their app platform being tied to Ponzi fraud is unclear.
Full credit to the Finnish sleuths over at MuroBBS for originally discovering the OneCoin Tiger App Creator link.
If you want to verify OneCoin’s MAB platform is just a Tiger App Creator white-label yourself, compare MAB’s features in the video above with corresponding support screenshots from the Tiger App Creator support website.
This leaves us with few questions still. I have to assume that there is some sort of a solution how app built with OneCoin MAB can actually transfer coins to merchant account.
Has to be or they’d be busted the moment first idiot actually is willing to build an app. And as apps are expected to be created for each merchant (insane), the merchant account is probably tied into the app at coding phase. So my assumption is that these statements apply:
– request to transfer coins has merchant account defined by some ID that does not need merchant login credentials.
– request to transfer coins bases source account from login & password.
The question I would like to see answered is: could someone use this Mobile Application Builder (or just the actual public Android development kit) to build an app where the receiving (i.e. “merchant”) account could be re-set before doing the actual transfer?
I see no reason why this would not be possible. The merchant account is said to be just the generic “rookie” account.
Such an app would enable free transfer of coins between OneCoin members, making coin trade possible and eventually crashing the actual value of coin as there would be a lot of sellers but no buyers.
Except if the mobile app API is limited by the same daily restrictions for coin transfers that already are in place in OneCoin internal market.
That would of course make the app unusable unless the merchant account is a special account that does not have transfer limitations…
…which would be odd: OneCoin claims they mine the coins “by the members, for the members”. Why suddenly merchants are better class citizens than members?
I suppose we will see once the first idiotic merchant is found who actually accept these worth-of-nothing coins. Then someone with required skills could possibly reverse engineer the API that is used and make an app (or a web page even) for free unlimited coin transfers.
I don’t think the MAB platform is hooked up to OneCoin as payment. It looked to be more of a promotional thing for signed businesses (I didn’t watch the whole MAB video).
This is probably the original source.
siberiancms.com/app-builder-platform-edition/
Both platforms are owned by Tiger App Creator. There’s actually a link to the Siberian open-source CMS platform on the Tiger App Creator website.
You can download the Siberian App Platform for €799, which would give OneCoin the ability to hook up their payment system (the platform is open source and can be modified), if that’s what they’ve gone with.
Still dirt cheap and you have to wonder why they haven’t developed their own platform.
exactly.
the MAB tutorial videos explain how to set up your individual app but say nothing about how to hook it up to onecoin accounts or accept onecoins.
this is just a third party product much like the onelife tablet which has nothing to do with onecoins.
i guess the explanation will be that they have got 2.5 million affiliates and now they will get 1 million merchants to join up and when onecoin FINALLY goes public – hooray! their cryptocurrency ecosystem will be well established!!
youtube.com/watch?v=0OsBuVOVJ3Y&feature=youtu.be
ever since onecoin and its top affiliates like ken labine, started tolling the bell and spreading cheer about ‘look, look, the merchants are coming!!’, i always assumed the ‘merchants’ would be joining to ‘accept’ onecoins as a part payment, and thus bring [internal] ‘usability’ to the coin.
but, seems like this new MAB for merchants has nothing to do with the usability of the coins.
the press release on the onelife website had this to say about the merchant MAB:
see^^?? nothing about the merchants accepting onecoins or the IMA’s being able to pay with onecoins.
so, the usability of onecoins is zero, its value is zero and the talk about merchants coming in and taking the value of onecoin to ‘more than bitcoin!!’ is bologna served with baloney.
Ruja and Kari informing that over 5000 OneCoins have already been used in 2 Estonian restaurants which allegedly accept OneCoin.
This sounds total bullshit again and inspections are under way.
FB link: facebook.com/OneCoinRujaIgnatova/photos/a.469913939875909.1073741828.465280963672540/573660542834581/?type=3
Must have got a large percentage of his downline to eat there. Either that or one or two of them held a big party.
Anyway it doesn’t really matter. Some random OneCoin affiliate with a business accepting coin transfers through the back office (and taking a loss in the business to cover it) != merchants accepting OneCoin.
Kari has also himself posted the claim that over 5000 OneCoins have been used in these 2 Tallinn restaurants:
FB Link: facebook.com/KariWahlroosAmbassador/posts/341214239560273
Screenshot: d17oy1vhnax1f7.cloudfront.net/items/1s47251c3i2S2H2S1j3p/Kari_OC_restaurants.PNG
kari wahlroos is at the top of the food chain in onecoin. he can say anything to make people believe and invest in onecoin.
his boss ruja ignatova has said that the chinese company hoifu energy has accepted onecoin as part payment for a petroleum block in madagascar. these people can pretend they have bought the moon with onecoin.
he should post proof of how he transferred these coins to the restaurant via the MAB.
the top brass is trying to get affiliates to buy MAB’s and they are getting a luke warm response.
The Walrus is unbelievable in all meanings of the word.
Mates. If I want to accept Onecoin as a Merchant, do I have to become an affilate so I can then have the customer (who also has to be an affilate.. is that true) transfer the coins to me?? is that what I am hearing???
What if I sell a cleaning product that is valued at 1.75 Euros… Do I need to then price these at 4 for 7 Eurous thus equaling ONE – 1 onecoin.. Then in order to provide a discount I would either have to provide an extra product to equal 5 for 1 (one) onecoin because it is not divisible.
OR I need to offer a pricepoint of 2 Onecoins and lets say 10 products to recognize the discount.
Am I understanding this Crap correctly?? Or did I forget I need to buy an App builder as well to take the coin??
Hi guys, I’m Aladin the founder of Siberian CMS and owner of both Siberian and Tiger App.
Actually what we are offering is an open-source CMS with our free version, and two commercial editions, the Multi-Apps Edition and the Platform Edition.
Tiger App is based on a Platform Edition of Siberian. Tiger App is there to let our clients know what they can do with a Platform Edition and test, just to say our main product is Siberian.
So we are offering these products but I would say we don’t really know what our clients do with them, it’s just like if WordPress (proportionally speaking) has to check what their users are doing with the CMS.
Our clients don’t have the right to resell our softwares, but I would say that’s the only prohibited thing. But I will follow this closely since I see it may impact our company image.
However and in all cases there is no specific link between these guys and us except they have bought our software and customize the builder part.
For any question don’t hesitate to drop us an email to contact at siberiancms.com
Thanks!
Aladin
But if the price of OneCoin keeps rising, why on earth would you want to spend them now?
A financially savvy person would pay the restaurant bill with their depreciating fiat currency, and hold onto their OneCoin’s for a bigger payout in the future.
They’re not the brightest bunch, are they?
So is it in accordance with your policy, that OneLife/OneCoin is selling access to the software with about 1000 euros per access, so that the buyer can use the software to create somekind of mobile app?
BTW, an actual blockchain doesn’t care if you send 1.0 units of cc (bitcoin/ Litecoin/ OneCoin, whatever) or 0.00125801. However, tracking such fractions on Excel spreadsheets for 800,000 members, or whatever, would be much more tricky to maintain for that size network.
On a real blockchain transacting times would not be dependent on whether whole or divided units were processed either. Miners take care of processing such things using energy and CPU to compete against others to find that solution.
There is no reason or scenario in the world why I can imagine that the company (or digital money) would restrict divisability of its units.
In fact, if it were a real blockchain, it would be more work to disable the app/ UI in the back office to disallow communication inputs with the blockchain. But when the claim is that OneCoin blockchain can process MORE transactions than VISA, MasterCard and American Express, than this issue of divisability becomes even more suspect.
@Aladin see picture/screenshot on i.imgur.com/E6lKIKB.jpg
This is how OneLife members can order the Mobile Application Builder, one for EUR 1100 or a package of seven for EUR 5700. They are supposed to “distribute” these to merchants, i.e. sell or give away.
I wonder if this is allowed conform your Terms and Conditions?
Blitz interview with Pablo Munoz, which encourage all current IMA to achieve Diamond level as fast as they can…
I do wonder if he can explain the blockchain or answer questions about cryptocurrency. I doubt it.
onelife.eu/en/blog/let%27s-talk-about-pablo
More definitive proof that Onecoin is under investigation in China:
SOURCE: v.ku6.com/show/P8E-0i7rHG1lN3Y5y8P3sQ…html
Chinese translation is definitely needed to extract the full story, but in this 4:30 long news piece, it is very clear that monitoring of Ponzi/ Pyramid is being investigated by someone.
Clarity as to whether this is a news investigation or is reporting on an investigation at an official level would be nice to know
Ugh. Link isn’t copying, but you can find the original comment here and link through:
facebook.com/Dr.RujaIgnatova/
I suggest you hurry and capture it though
It worked for me.
8 digits after the decimal that I see limy onecoint account, so yes divisibility.
This link works, can someone please translate?
Standby, I’ll have an article up in a few hours.
So, One-ConScam is repackaging Aladin’s hard work, and marking up the price from his 399 euros to their 1,100 euros?
That’s rich!
But isn’t it illegal to trade crypto currencies.
I remember reading this on Wikipedia I am not Estonian so I am not sure.
Bitcoin is legit. A Real crypto currency! If problematic means controversial, ok, but obviously not a Ponzi Scheme.
Illegal to “trade” cryptocurrency. Not following mate.
they may not be the brightest bunch but they are the the ‘kindest’ and most ‘charitable’ bunch.
they are making the ‘sacrifice’ of spending their permanently appreciating onecoins so that the price hits the stratosphere and the unbanked in africa/china/india who have given them all their depreciating fiat currency fall to their knees and say – goddess ruja and her minions saved us! we are rich!
they are just pouring the milk of human kindness by the gallon.
I have invested in Onecoin and it is not long that I followed this link and everyday I get new information about onecoin.
I would like to ask if there is anyone who can tell why the trading and mining section in our back office is under construction for so long? Does it mean Ruja and her people are gone with our investment money…??
Actually what is not allowed is to sell our software, I mean “software” as a downloadable file you can install on your own, but selling an access to the software you have bought is not something prohibited otherwise it is nearly useless if you cannot give access, free or paid, to your software.
Despite the fact we are not liking a company uses our software to promote that kind of activity, legally we cannot do something as it is a more general legal problem regarding this company activities and not a problem of the softwares, hostings, etc it uses to manage their activities.
If there is a lawsuit it must be conducted by the juridiction of this country or by abused clients, or whatever, but in our cases they just have bought our software and use it in compliance with our terms (selling access to their software, but no reselling our software) but not according to our values and principles, unfortunately it is not acceptable on a legal point of view…
joby boughey of the UK has posted on FB that a Kimmo Kontuniemi of finland is working to make onecoin ‘sharia compliant’.
Kimmo Kontuniemi has apparently been signing up many muslims in the UK and feels business can boom if onecoin is pronounced sharia compliant.
he is arranging for a ‘certificate’ of sharia compliance, though he does not say who will be issuing this certificate. i suppose some sort of an islamic ‘authority’ will have issue such a certificate and it will be interesting to see who it is.
he hopes to have this ‘certificate’ in a few weeks time.
@Aladin
So… lawsuit?
Hey Anjali,
Im a muslim and have been following onecoin for several months and am pretty confident that the opportunity is not shariah compliant.
Here is a very useful Islamic Perspective I found online. Please see weshare link here:
we.tl/tueL7IHuKt
Mind you there are many other factors in addition to the one stated in the pdf that makes onecoin go against the sharia principles of trade, commerce and finance.
Any serious or credible Mufti or Scholar of Islamic Authority would struggle to give a ruling in light of all the evidence in suggesting that the opportunity is shariah compliant and halal.
OneCoin has recruited a prominent name in Islamic leadership in the U.K. called Sheikh Yusuf Chambers.
He runs his own TV show on the Islamic Channel there, has thousands or ten thousand of followers on FB and Twitter and he SEEMS TO HONESTLY BELIEVE IN PUSHING THE SCAM.
I have reached out and tactfully provided tons of data (images, video, documents, warnings, information of criminal instigation, etc., in the founders and history of the company to him.
HE HAS NOW BLOCKED ME ON ALL SOCIAL MEDIA either believing I am evil and trying to repress opportunity from his community (or her is otherwise complicit in the crime and has been paid off).
Unfortunately he is looked to as a charitable and humble leader by this community, and of the recruitment marketing he had pushed out so far is getting overwhelming positive response and inquiries.
He is actively setting up meetings, speeches, etc., And is pushing the scam hard. Luckily, he is only a few weeks into it himself, but I fear already maybe 1,000+ victims are on the cusp, if not already signed up as a result of his deception, intentional or not.
Also, Onecoin’s newest package “The Supreme,” is a 188,000€ investment which gives you 1,888,888 ponzi tokens (and I’m guessing a SuperSplit, quadrupling that number – though I’m not clear whether the tally is before or after this).
So, SuperSplit was announced 4 days after Bangkok event on the premise that it was made for those who hasn’t moved quickly enough to take advantage of the rare and “one-time” coin doubling (which was promoted for 4 months!), and now this Supreme Package another week later.
This is just getting crazy!!!
Re: Sharia Compliance and Cryptocurrency, let’s not forget the ifccleaders.com “summit” on this subject, hosted in London by an investment company that doesn’t exist and where the crypto world was represented only by Onecoin.
Both the self proclaimed “ethical” and “charitable” young UK based Muslim speakers at this staged event afterwards received e mails pointing out the fact that Onecoin was not what it may seem, but as neither of them replied I guess that Faizal Karbani and Dr. Zareen Roohi Ahmed have more “compliant” spiritual guidance than others.
Whilst on the topic of UK Muslims, Diamond Muhammed Zafar is being castigated on Facebook for signing up uneducated Bangladeshi Uber drivers, whilst Leeds UK Muslim Abdul Basit has completely vanished from contact after being threatened with violence (by another UK Muslim) for publicising the FCA announcement about Onecoin on Facebook.
At the risk of being accused of stuff, I would say that the Muslim community accounts for more than half of UK involvement in Onecoin: this is based on the study of many many photos and vids of events, meetings, social media etc.
@tmfp – along those same lines, I’ve spoken with numerous U.K. Muslims who are afraid to discuss frozen accounts or come out against OneCoin because of their Mafioso-like threats of repercussion, both in a physical sense, as well as in orchestrated character assaults against them. So many have fed information under the condition of anonymity 🙁
And, while we’re on this sensitive subject, it would be naive to think that the police investigating Onecoin won’t be very aware of the political sensitivity of dealing with any serious crime involving a specific ethnic or otherwise minority in the UK.
The end of this is going to be worse than we thought…
Tragic…
Well, at least I don’t know how they do it. Are they selling a downloadable package, or just an access?
Can someone verify this?
In this image: i.imgur.com/E6lKIKB.jpg
they say they sell the “Mobile Application Builder”, not just an access. But at least I really don’t know how is it.
Actually now that I think of it, and how they have advertized it, they give an impression like they are selling the software, not just an access to the software.
I guess they couldn’t find a room big enough for all those egos.. 🙂
I wonder what the deal is with poaching Immonitie and Hartley from Organo?
This is actually a macro ponzi approach by Ignatova, she is using investors money to buy the established downlines of such mega “industry” faces as these two, as well as whole other pyramids.
Quite clever actually.
What I meant by illegal, is the fact that the sole legal tender of Estonian should be the Euro. Going out and buying something for any other currency (Dollar, Ruble, British Pound…) is not legal.
Usually a special law must be passed for trading in none legal tender. I am not sure how Estonian law works but laws in most of Europa work this way.
Going to restaurants and using OneCoins should fall in the same category.
Another UK Event coming up Oct 22, London.
Kari Wahlroos Tom McMurrain. We’ll see what happens to that
onelifeevents.eu/en/events/uk-national-event
Between now and then, they’re hammering Scandinavia.
All the events are only bookable thru the new IoMan reg company OneLifeEvents and you need an account to buy a ticket, otherwise I’d go to that London one (if it happens, note no venue as yet).
Yusuf Chambers is not a “Sheikh”. He’s a revert (convert) who happens to have many followers on his social media accounts.
He’s not an authority. However, I do agree that he is misusing his influence and needs to be stopped.
ha. i was waiting for this announcement!
for all the bravado these UK leaders display on FB, they are closet pansies!
the london police investigation has them scurrying back into their rat holes. moreover, i’m sure people have reported their event to the police, i did a few days back. they are going to be too scared to publicly peddle onecoin now!
ha. i would love to see wahlroos or mcmurrain step into london at this point!
they are keeping the venue secret, and will announce it at the last moment to avoid being reported and having the police stop by.
i’m reporting this event too, at actionfraud.police.uk, and i suggest many of us do so. even without the venue, the police will have the names of the organizers and can directly ask them about the venue!
so, now onecoin leaders dare not enter or openly promote onecoin in china, bangladesh, india, UK, USA….and europe may have hit saturation now. pakistan is too volatile for anyone to risk going there.
they will have to concentrate on east asia, latin america and africa, that is, till they run into trouble there too. the market for the worlds largest cryptocurrency is shrinking pretty fast!
i wonder how long before the new CEO pablo munoz realizes what he’s gotten himself into and packs his bags?
facebook.com/KariWahlroosAmbassador/photos/a.298150127200018.1073741828.298133873868310/342427296105634/?type=3
hahaa Kari goes to Dublin instead of London…Scared??? Anybody knows where to report in Ireland?
The Garda have a patchy record dealing with Ponzis, but try
Garda National Economic Crime Bureau,
Harcourt Square,
Harcourt Street,
Dublin 2
D02 DH42
Tel: +353 1 6663776
@tmfp
Thank you very much.I’ll write at once.
Re: Yusuf Chambers the Irish “Sheikh”, he has a “Future of Payments” webinar on Sunday, one of us has signed up, I’ll try and stream it.
Not to bore you, but this Yusuf Chambers is an interesting piece of work.
With a fellow revert (other names are available) he has set up Green + Chambers, a “marketing to Muslims” consultancy biz.
i.imgur.com/dG7H9ou.jpg
He is a staunch supporter of Yusuf Estes, the American revert who has a long standing presence on the Islam Channel and presented there this OC film about the earlier sham Compliance “summit” I mentioned.
Ytube: KSlGyFUzT6g. (warning:contains multiple OneCult personalities).
It is not beyond the realms of possibility that his enthusiasm about spreading the word of Onecoin is directly related to how much they have paid him.
He would also seem like an ideal candidate to find an obscure cleric to pronounce OC Sharia compliant for the bug eyed Kontuniemi.
@tmfp – I was contacted about Mr. Chambers via some Muslim ex Onecoiners in London. They said that he CLAIMS that any profits he makes in recruiting he will donate to charity.
Whether this is true or not remains to be seen. If true, I hope he doesn’t also believe that OWF is a valid charity, as well, with the dastardly #KleptoQueen at its helm!
the charity yusuf chambers supports and works for is the Islamic Education and Research Academy (iERA) which among other things does dawah [means the proselytizing or preaching of Islam] and shahada [conversion to islam].
yusuf chambers, FB, oct 1, 2016:
i guess this^^ makes it easy for him to build his onecoin downline….[ 🙂 ]
i wonder if yusuf chambers and/or the iERA will help Kontuniemi get that ‘certificate’ declaring onecoin as sharia complaint.
reported the oct 22, 2016 meeting to be held somewhere in central london to actionfraud.police.uk :
reported the names of dr mohammad zafar, yasir mirza, jamil khan, peter shaw [ireland], tom mcmurrain [US], edward hartley [US], and kari wahlroos.
these guys are so good maybe they’ll recruit the london police into onecoin!
@anjali – Wahlroos apparently “had something come up,” and is sadly going to miss the event. He will instead be in Dublin.
aw, now let’s wait for the rest of the gang ie dr mohammad zafar, yasir mirza, jamil khan, peter shaw [ireland], tom mcmurrain [US] and edward hartley [US] to think up some excuses!
meanwhile, kari wahlroos should answer this affiliate’s question on his FB page –
yes kari wahlroos, why not london??!!
and if concerned people have indeed reported wahlroos’ impending onecoin recruitment event in ireland, will he go there or will ‘something come up’ again?
yes kari wahlroos?
@anjali
They moved the event to Dublin…
The irish garda is not email friendly only phones.
So i reported to Balbriggan Garda Station.Local
garda.ie/stations/default.aspx
onelifeevents.eu/en/events/ireland-national-event
aw, so instead of answering, kari wahlroos went and edited his facebook page.
his post announcing that he was skipping london and going to dublin is gone! even his tour schedule for the next few months is gone!
onelifeevents.eu is now listing a ‘training’ program on 22nd oct, 2016, to be held at hilton hotel, canary wharf, london.
the foreign participants initially announced for the oct 22 recruitment meet ie peter shaw [ireland], tom mcmurrain [US], edward hartley [US], are no longer listed as speakers.
now only local UK onecoin leaders dr mohammad zafar, mohammad adeel, atif malik, habib zahid, mohammad shahazahan are listed as speakers.
if all the foreign onecoin speakers shat their pants at the prospect of coming to london, what makes these onecoin locals think they are safe under a london police investigation into the business they are promoting?
ooops ^^ i made a mistake.
the ‘training’ program on oct 22 is separate from the ‘national’ event on the same date.
mohammad zafar is a common speaker at both events.
guess we have to report this event separately on actionfraud.police.uk!
@anjali
The eventlist is still there.
m.facebook.com/KariWahlroosAmbassador/#!/events/1771387799769618?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%22104%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D&aref=104&__tn__=H
@Oz – MERCHANTS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN FREE ADVERTISEMENT?
Nearly none of the alleged Onecoin Merchants claimed by OC/ OL have published ANY information about their NAME, location, website, or how to get a hold of them (ie., OC announcement: “Car Dealership accepting OC now” – and that’s it!).
Bitcoin merchants tend to reach out to numerous free Directories to take advantage of this, such one built directly in to a popular bitcoin wallet, AirBitz (no relation to the Airbit MLM scheme)
IMAGE of typical FREE bitcoin merchant directory (names, address, website, phone, email, product or service, etc., etc):
lh3.googleusercontent.com/SSTUr96B4sbDyYn14nYhVlGH9ceD1vJnmijxsxcXxcC8LUCB5z07psfkMBPEE_uYsP4=h500
IF Onecoin were serious about getting merchants,I would suspect one of the FIRST things they would do is announce or build a Merchant Directory! Right!?!
No OC “merchants” I’ve reached out to have returned my messages about “making a purchase with my OC.”
PHOTOSHOP??
Being that none of this makes much sense, I was looking at some of these photos which they claim are “new OC merchants,” and some of these images seem *funny to me.
@anyone – can someone analyze the following two images and conclude whether or not they are straight photoshopped (not that it ultimately matters, but would be interesting to confirm):
1.) pay attention to the frame around the OC image. Could be taped, or could simply be PS’d.
However, if the picture frame sitting on the counter is actually flush with the counter, than whatever paper the “OC accepted here” is printed on seems to be penetrating the glass below it and the lines seem waaay to straight and clean (via copy/ paste)!:
facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153765724595981&set=pcb.627925864048162&type=3&theater
2.) Not sure about this one, but it just looks funny. And WTH is this place? Lol.
Why do all photos and documents that might mean anything look like their image was captured through a potato? Several other dubious images of such “merchants” are floating around the cult space.
facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153765724450981&set=pcb.627925864048162&type=3&theater
For example this ain’t photoshopped: freshcatering.nl
I guess the business owner is just stupid enough to be a member.
Anyway it doesn’t even matter whether pics are photoshopped or not. No one in their right mind is going to accept onecoins because the coins have no real value.
Onecoin doesn’t even care a shit about making transactions possible so there’s actually no way to accept the coins as payment even if a merchant would like to.
someone has posted a video of onecoin top recruiter and cult figure juha parhiala making a MAB pitch to a restaurant owner in pattaya thailand .
he says the reason the owner should buy the MAB worth 1000 euros is that he will get access to 2.5 million onecoin members and 15 million members from sitetalk.
at least in this video, he does not say a word about the restaurant owner accepting onecoins from this new customer base.
so, the MAB is just about selling some data of onecoin investors to merchants at 1000 euros a pop, and not about onecoin usability at all.
the video can be seen on muhammad zafar’s FB page:
facebook.com/muhammad.zafar.77736?fref=ts
yes, even the post about skipping london is still there. i was looking at another FB page of kari wahlroos.
had a webchat with a police representative and reported this training event at actionfraud.police.uk:
the ref number is:
if onecoin UK leaders have any sense they’ll go underground like onecoin USA leaders – peddle onecoin only outside the country and set up offshore accounts. stop selling on social media and give onecoin some other name like the ‘zero cryptocurrency’ or something.
the days of open onecoin partying in the UK may well be over.
I do really hope that as many as possible do report.
Start acting!!!!
Juha Parhiala has such a golden heart. He makes 4 million dollars per month and still takes time and effort to try to sell a 1000 euro app to a merchant.
But… Wasn’t the business owners supposed to get all this for free? As I recall it the members were supposed to buy those application packages and give the access to business owners.
Why didn’t Parhiala buy a package with his 4 million dollar incomes and offer the app for free to the merchant in question? Not even for marketing purposes, with camera filming in front of him?
Spice Village answered that they do accept OneCoin but the exchange rate is 100 OneCoins for £1.
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Buffet price there is £13.99. This means you need to somehow transfer 1399 OneCoins to them if you want to eat the buffet.
Ruja’s price for 1399 OneCoins is 9723 euros.
Rather expensive Asian buffet I would say..
LOL
Maybe Spice Village is just calculating that since OneCoiners are desperate to show that OneCoins can be used in real world, that some OneCoin leader will actually be willing to pay 10 thousand euros for a buffet just to prove it.
You mean “10 thousand euros” which is the imaginery value of 1399 OneCoins. Maybe, but there is still the coin transfer problem also, if the customer is not in the same up/downline.
And even if the customer is in the same up/downline, there are coin transfer limits currently:
1world1coin.eu/news/coin-transfer-now-available
If you own the 27500 euro Infinity Trader package you can transfer 40 OneCoins per day. Then you can pay your buffet in 35 days.
If you own the 5500 euro Tycoon Trader package, you can transfer 25 OneCoins per day. And you will be able to pay your buffet in 56 days.
When the owner of a business is a OneCoin affiliate they can make up whatever barter rate they want.
If OneCoin was actually a legitimate cryptocurrency, you wouldn’t see the outlandish barter rates. Hell, even OneCoin did it themselves with the tablet.
Merchants accepting OneCoin would mean the tokens would have to be accepted on face value.
No legitimate business that isn’t owned by a OneCoin affiliate is going to accept Ponzi points.
it’s obvious that the owner of spice village is an affiliate of onecoin.
s/he must be hovering over his guests shoving onecoin down their throats along with the buffet.
there’s no way s/he accepts Full Payment in onecoins. must be offering a discount of 1 or 2 pounds to onecoin affiliates in his up/down line and ‘accepting’ worthless onecoins in return.
obviously he knows the coin is worthless as evidenced by the barter rate he has unilaterally decided.
what a sham.
It’s a little strange this one with Spice Village.
On one hand, if it’s an affiliate, he’s trying to push the idea that they’re worth the official rate of ~7 euros EACH when selling a package, whereas on the other hand he’s admitting that to him, they’re only worth 0.0013 euros EACH.
Apart from the practical problems of actually transferring the coins as pointed out by WBF, that’s what you call a tough sell….
remember that this is a demented lot of people. expecting them to behave ‘logically’ would make you impossibly optimistic.
when their MotherQueen rujamama can display a shutterstock blockchain and yell ‘go! go! go!’ at it in front of thousands of people who go crazy with excitement, you can safely bundle all oneconners in the ken labine & joby boughey intellectual capacity bracket.
dr muhammad zafar, alam khan and dr mureed karim are holding a recruitment event at the irish world heritage centre, manchester, today evening.
are these guys really doctors? hard to believe!
i’m not sure if this event was announced before, it seems like a last minute announcement to me.
i just reported this to
its a bit late to report but, who knows how quickly the london police reacts? seems like high risk to me.
Just a small correction. Doesn’t change the absurdity though.
Spice Village rate is:
100 coin = £1 = 1.10712888 Euros
1 coin = 0.011 Euros
Here anyone can check if a person is licensed medical practitioner in the U.K: gmc-uk.org/doctors/register/LRMP.asp
Sure, but to run a chain of curry houses in wilderness London, you have to be pretty pragmatic.
They are essentially saying that OC’s are worthless…turn it on its head, this could be someone approached by the Muslim Momma Mafia, seen thru it and this is a way of making that point. Just a thought.
Whatever, another colossal fail by Braindead Boughey.
Tks for the correction WBF.
Re doctorates: Zafar’s was supposedly earned in Pakistan so he wouldn’t be on any UK register.
You can call yourself a Doctor if you successfully completed a phd, even if that was done in Bangladesh, for example.
One thing you guys may not realise about the muslim community in the UK that this is most likely circulating in (probably mostly the Bangladesh community), is that they operate from a completely different cultural bias and moral compass to your average UK citizen/resident.
All the talk of Dr this and Imam that is done for one reason only, to increase credibility. And that is for one reason only, so the credible can get the sheep and their families and friends and colleagues to part with their money and get on board the scheme.
They don’t care if the scheme is legal, moral or sharia compliant, or rather they only care about these things because it helps them to sell the package if they can add more impressive labels to the scheme.
Whether the main guy is regarded as humble and religious etc is irrelevant. Even if he is, it’s likely he’s either too ignorant or stupid to know what he’s doing, or he knows quite well and doesn’t care either way, as long as he’s earning money, increasing his standing in the community or getting admirers.
Cut to the most basic of human tendancies, remove sophistication and any sense of personal ethical self-restraint, and you’ll start to get an idea of what it’s like doing business in Bangla-town and it’s subsidiaries around the UK 🙂
i think this^^ description fits most people who knowingly and repeatedly participate in ponzi/pyramid schemes.
greed and lack of ethics do not have any communal boundaries.
onecoin has ‘organically’ grown in the UK muslim community, MAPs may have have attracted another type of community, herbalife may have organically grown in the hispanic community, some schemes take off in the church circuit..the communities can be of all sorts since these are ‘affinity’ based schemes/MLM.
the common denominator is economic weakness and/or greed and lack of ethics/moral compass.
people who participate in such schemes knowingly, are in fact a ‘community’ of like minded people in themselves, no matter which corner of the earth they’re from or their religious affiliation.
this is how alam khan has advertised todays manchester recruitment event:
does this sound like ‘education’ or ‘creating the new bitcoin and changing the world’??
just sounds like fast and easy money to me. typical ponzi invitation.
people in the manchester area should inform the police about this event which should be starting in a few hours from now.
Filed: NFRC161001589873
For the moment it seems as if One Life is just repeating themselves.
us9.campaign-archive1.com/?u=cf9659fd672fe664d487e7e1b&id=85f313173f&e=a0e0b3336a
There is a new 225 500 EUR Super Combo package.
onecoin.eu/tech/
With this package you will get 4 SuperSplits. Wou will receive all 8 Splits within the next 4 times a regular Split occurs (2 each time).
More info here:
us9.campaign-archive1.com/?u=cf9659fd672fe664d487e7e1b&id=85f313173f&e=2d167fca67
WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP!
HAS ANY KNOWN ORGANIZED MLM PONZI OTHER THAN MADOFF BEEN SO FLAGRANT?!?! 225,500€ ?!?!
Is it just me or are these packages getting bigger and bigger?
Onecoin isn’t happy with people just to join for the education?
Just who are these people buying these top end packages that onecoin can make them larger and larger?
Who would request such packages in the first place?
Found a final verification that MAB created Apps can’t be used to do payments with OneCoins. This feature is coming “one day”.
From new Staffan Liback video:
youtube.com/watch?v=9I0c__h2KOE
Starting from position 4:17.
Of course there is a lot of other BS in the video, but this is the most significant things.
I opened a ticket on support.onecoin.eu/Tickets/New. I told that I know several merchants who are interested in using the Mobile Application Builder and buying a package.
I asked how the MAB can be adapted with a function to let the merchants be paid in Onecoins and if there will be a free transfer of Onecoins from ALL Onelife Members to merchants.
This is their answer:
I don’t know exactly what picture you’re referring to (there are 7 pictures behind the same hyperlink), but I’ve checked two of them.
The first picture is the new Onelife Headquarters in Sofia, so certainly not a merchant.
The 5th picture is freshcatering.nl displayed on a mobile phone. They show the “We accept One Coin” logo on their homepage an seem to be very proud of it, see news item on freshcatering.nl/onecoin-als-betaalmiddel/
Somebody asked how it works; they answered that paying in Onecoin is only possible for people in their direct upline or downline but that they’re working hard to prepare their app to make this possible.
Perhaps like the MAB, which they are repackaging and selling from another business who created them, entirely, and who are allowing them to white label it as such(?), maybe their new 118,000€ and 225,500€ “Education Packages” are being repackaged from core competency courses at Stanford and Harvard Universities, respectively??
Seems like they pushed out the new $1/4 Million one before they even created the artwork for it? It must be so amazing an education in cryptocurrency and trading that they just couldn’t bother to wait for their art/ plagiarism department to produce such minor details. Yeah?
That information in that OneCoin support’s sentence will be shocking to many OneCoinists. OneCoin is said to be available in public second quarter of 2018. This would mean that OneCoin payments won’t be possible until then, meaning about 2 years from now.
That’s some BIG ass news. OZ *wink* *wink*
RE:
What I’m taking this to mean is that the reason for this is global banking regulation and compliance at the Federal (National) level.
They are not registered as a Money Services Business (MSB) anywhere on earth (both a technical and legally logistic issue that apparently alluded the 200+ IQ #KleptoQueen and her co-conspirators).
As a centralized entity they would both need to be registered as an MSB, as well as have obtained individual Money Transmitters Licensing (MTL’s) from any jurisdiction requiring such.
With that, this seems to absolutely DESTROY the claim of ANY true “Merchants” using their “currency,” and would limit then to “couponing,” itself not without issues.
The very clear meaning of this, at least in my interpretation and background equals ZERO merchants for next year and some months, or until they go public and crash the coin, themselves.
This falls FAR SHORT of the 42,233 new merchants needed to hit 1 million on deadline. Apparently, Kari Wahlroos, Tom McMurrain, Ken Labine and Joby Boughey didn’t get the memo!
I’ll see of I might be able to get an actual legal and compliance attorney who works in banking (specifically cryptocurrency compliance) to corroborate this.
I’m putting together a OneCoin article with some of the recent days news. Standby…
@MineR – can you upload an image of that reply, PLEASE?
Yasir Mirza is meant to be speaking in meetings in Malawi on the 22nd and 24th October.
facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=865556980239857&id=100003566896970
so, the recruitment meet did happen, and it seems a meeting is held at this venue every monday evening.
it was a small group of people and many of them may be affiliates themselves. not a lot of fresh meat i suppose!
the leaders talks were all on the same lines – see how much muhammad zafar has made! see how much i make! get on board first ask questions later! we are coin millionaires!
I will post a screenshot of the reply around 17:00 GMT today.
As promised I have uploaded screenshots of my question to OneLife Support and their answer. After this response I’ve changed my mind 😉 because I’m still happy with my free Rookie account.
I have deleted all personal data including those of the OneLife employee.
Question
i.imgur.com/ErJ8rk2.jpg
Answer
i.imgur.com/j4LgGVp.jpg
it is ponzi scheme before it was came in asia and other countries in as a cardly in the year of 1980s. one coin why not they officially sell .
OneCoin wasn’t around in the 1980s…