Charles Scoville hires criminal defense attorney (Traffic Monsoon)
Despite the SEC’s case against him and Traffic Monsoon being civil in nature, Charles Scoville has hired a criminal defense attorney.
According to a 15th of August filing, Scoville is now represented by Edwin S. Wall.
On his website, Edwin S. Wall uses the following keywords to market himself:
Criminal Defense Attorney, Defense Attorney, Criminal Defense Lawyer, Defense Laywer, DUI, Drunk Driving, Drug, Drug Charges, Controlled Substances, Assault, Battery, Rape, Murder, Homicide, Fraud, White Colllar, Tax Fraud, Murder-for-Hire, Bombs, Explosives, Arson, Federal, State, Criminal Defense Utah, Criminal Defense Wyoming, Bail.
Wall claims to be part of “Utah’s legal elite”, a “mountain states super lawyer” and “top 100 trial lawyer”.
At the time of publication criminal charges have not been filed against Scoville.
As I understand the current situation, Scoville has not returned to the US and is still hiding out in the UK.
Word is that Charles has hired the Criminal Lawyer because he is aware that potential criminal charges may be imposed.
In addition, there continues to be sightings of Charles in Asian countries and no longer in the United Kingdom. This lawyer apparently knows what countries Charles “Should” and ” Should not be” based on extradition laws.
It is sad that it has come down to this, but given that that the Charitable Donations to support Mr. ScrewYouVille defense has toppled $534,000 U.S. dollars, it appears as if he plans to fight this tooth and nail and maintain a fort somewhere in a country that will not extradite.
Well, everyone knows that when you in a civil case you hire a criminal attorney and not a business lawyer.
The latest nonsense from Charles:
Don’t you just love faked delusion?
Where is the $534,000 figure for his fund coming from? The gofundme and fundedjustice links only show about $3,000 combined.
Not sure where you got the figure of over $534,000 donated to Charles’ legal defense fund, as the gofundme and justice done are only showing combined a little over $3400.
IF true, then this had to come from his parents donate fund. Where did you get he has over a half-mil for his lawyer’s fund?
HUH.. Anyone who listened to the chap who is running the tm.plus site and handles the customer service heard that HE ALONE donated over $20,000.
As of a week ago they had over $300K so not sure where the 3400 is coming from unless your leaving out a few ZEROS and mean 340,000 which is what it was close to over a week ago or so…
i think scumville is looking to settle the SEC civil case, and is definitely expecting criminal charges to be filed, much like burks of zeek.
it will be interesting to see on which counts he is criminally charged.
what scoville is omitting to say is that the SEC cannot send people all the money they invested, because scoville has distributed most of those funds out to net winners.
and if TM ‘wins’, net winners will make more profits while more people at the bottom lose most of what they have invested.
so, sunil patel wore a suit and tie and posted a video about his impending ‘revolution day’ about 2 hrs ago.
he wants the SEC to know that they are ‘real people with real suffering’. i guess not ‘earning’ free money from later investors, is a great suffering which has befallen TM net winners.
if i had to guess, i would categorize sunil patel as a nice enough fellow who has chosen to be a rebel for the ‘wrong’ cause, and is leading from the heart instead of his mind.
anyways a few parties at brighton beach or elsewhere should be enough to calm down his raging excitement. he is expecting a thousand TM affiliates to attend the brighton ‘event’, but he’ll be lucky if even a fifty or so show up.
he says that there may an announcement about TM plus at the brighton event. so, is he going to encourage attendees to join TM plus?
if he is a genuine person, he should get educated about ponzi/pyramid schemes before he encourages people to join another scam.
The SEC will never allow TM to win and would keep appealing until Charles has ran out of Lawyer money. This is how it works and should be obvious by now to anyone using their head and not their heart.
TM reached the general public and turned into a movement.
His not profit sharing but revenue sharing is a good one, just based on the simple well known definitions of profit and revenue.
What pompous clap trap. I’ll fix it for you:
“TM reached the gullible and they’re now lining up to be screwed harder.”
Sumville will go to jail! SEC never jk and all idiots who still believe in his lies, just idiots! Nothing more, nothing less!
He is crook and always was one! Good luck to all members and another thing all leaders get ready you will get f$%d as well and SEC will go after all of this pimps!
TM turned into a movement alright, just not the type you are referencing. It was a lot lower on the human body.
Zeek was much bigger and look how well it turned out for that “movement”.
That is exactly the point I’m making. Although I did expect a derrogatory comment and I got it from Paul. I am not taking sides, just pointing out that the SEC cannot lose a case like this whatever happens.
They will just keep appealing as long as it takes. I thought some people here would have already known that, but apparently not.
That I agree with. I have long believed most of the people who are called ‘victims’ are not victims at all. They regularly enter such programs, win some lose some but know exactly what they are.
The real victims are usually the gullible general public who are talked into believing something, which later doesn’t live up to what they were told.
Maybe some were hoping you’d have a change of heart and join then in UK on the beach at Brighton.
If you do and they have a barbecue, don’t forget to bring the burgers and sausages. 🙂
Actually I was thinking of bringing chocolate chip cookies made out of Exlax. I guarantee it will be a moving experience for the movement.
SEC **has** lost Ponzi cases before. Had to do with an oil exploration company. They are not infallible.
But let’s face the facts: TM is just Ad Surf Daily redux. SEC can’t lose not because they can bring unlimited resources… it can’t lose because TM is fraudulent w/o doubt.
I try not to disappoint, though in this case I probably did.
My statement was that a certain statement was pompous clap trap, a view I’d stand by. You’re later posting seem to agree with that sentiment, so I’m not sure what you perceive as derogatory.
Appeals aren’t unlimited or automatic. Decisions can only be appealed upto higher courts and there aren’t that many, and you need leave to appeal which isn’t granted just for the sake of it.
Though it seems a pretty academic question, if the description of the scheme Scoville apparently made to the SEC is correct and the numbers publish regarding income and outstanding liabilities are true, then it’s hard to see many shades of gray to wiggle through.
Couple that with it being a civil case where the standard of proof is lower (Preponderance of Evidence vs Beyond Reasonable Doubt).
We might have been talking at cross purposes. I did not mean to put anything pompous here because there wouldn’t be any point to doing it.
In any case what is happening is happening. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
I do know there is is 100 times more chance of a plane doing a crash landing on the Loch Ness Monster with Elvis as a pilot than there is of K Chang, Oz, Littleroundman and Lynndel turning up at Brighton with sausages, Burgers and cookies giving full support to a beach barbecue. You can take that to the bank.
I believe you are overstating the case.
Should the SEC lose it has the right of appeal but that does not mean it can “keep appealing for as long as it takes.”
A party can only appeal a final ruling (or rulings) and must do so within a set period of time (21 days?)
There may be multiple issues raised in an appeal but once those issues have been addressed the appellant can not lose and then file another appeal concerning the same case (even on different issues) since the 21 day time limit for action would surely have passed. They would be barred.
Could the SEC then appeal to the US Supreme Court? Yes, but there is nothing and no one to “keep appealing” to beyond that.
Guys. Call it what you will. TMPlus is alive and running and working and paying.
You either play the game or dont. For those that choose to put their life savings into a gambling proposition (which is what any revshare is) so be it.
Bottom Line..Traffic Monsoon is alive and well.
Why the talk about people who lost money??? Is that a surprise? That is life…
Right, and when the funds initially invested by a handful of greedy scammers and desperate victims are exhausted?
I guess that makes you the former.
So you are going to be also known as Gary Kramer the scammer? That doesn’t bother you?
uh, it only just ‘launched’ (code for stealing the general public’s money) 8 hours ago.
Paying what to whom ???
Certainly not paying ad pack purchasers, unless you count having “numbers on a screen” as being paid
I’ll bet you $10,000 I will be there. Want to take the bet? LOLOLOL!
From what I have been hearing, the REVOLUTION DAY event may be quite an “exciting” event. Seems there may be as many upset members of TM there as TM Supporters. If true, it should make for an interesting day.
Stay tuned for “News at 11:00!” or whatever time it comes on in the UK.
Revolution Day may not have very many supporters at all.
if sunil patel’s posts on FB are any indication, then his last dozen or so posts have mostly less than 50 likes, with a few posts crossing 50 likes but still remaining well under 100 likes.
so maybe Revolution Day will attract more upset TM members than supporters, and that should put an end to sunil patel’s career as a budding rebel 🙂
also, it seems that sunil patel’s career as a ‘musical’ rebel cum rockstar car DJ has thankfully come to an end as he’s complaining that FB has blocked him thrice for his musical ‘dare’ videos. thankyou FB ! 🙂
Hey Oz you are not going to believe this. There is actually a petition signed by one of the many morons (no doubt net-winner happy with stealing money) on Traffic Monsoon.
Check it out (edit the link if you need to or create a new article about it because i personally think the petitioner ‘Edward Charles Davids’ also needs to be named & shamed).
When you can market and earn a real living online then go for it. When you can’t do any of that stuff and are fine with stealing, PONZI!!
I love the way people who are named top recruiters in Ponzis consider themselves to be entrepreneurs without actually knowing what the word means 😛
Eh, petitions are just a joke nowadays. Look up Zeek Rewards related petitions.
A petition won’t make any difference. It is true the SEC occasionally lose cases but not when it is something like this.
If the SEC lost and appealed then lost again, it would open the floodgates for imitators. They wouldn’t have made the complaint if they thought they would lose.
I agree. The SEC might be slower than the hundred years war but when the strike they strike full force. They wouldn’t do this unless they were sure because for one it would make them look extremely unprofessional and like you say it will open the floodgates to copycats.
One thing that does concern me however is Charles is currently hiding out in the UK apparently so what’s to stop him doing a Carlos Wanzeler of Telexfree?
If any of these people had the necessary skills; business knowledge and legitimate product(s) that might give the a realistic chance to “earn a real living online”, they wouldn’t be wasting their time or money on traffic exchanges, whether fronting a fraudulent scheme or not.
All we’re talking about here are the usual suspects, i.e. scammers marketing the “make money online with no skills or effort required” fantasy and the suckers who buy into this fantasy … or perhaps have been inveigled into the scheme by someone they (mistakenly) trusted.
How long can Charles legally remain in the U.K?
I’m no expert but I doubt he will try anything new, although TM members will be pushing things of their own. I don’t say this to sound for or against TM, but just as someone trying to be rational.
One more thing, I think Charles ultimately knows he has no choice but to co-operate with the SEC, although he will fight it as long as he can and in any way he can.
Have you ever seen the film “Bambi versus Godzilla”? Its very short.
No, but I was one of the children who saw Bambi and cried my eyes out when the mother was shot.
The questions is, has anyone seen Money python and the Holy Grail David Cameron mentions why as he likens the opposition leader to the Black Knight who doesn’t give up…
That’s very sweet but you do not seem to grasp the disparity in resources, and power here.
If Scoville does not bend he will be broken. All the petitions and underfunded legal efforts are meaningless here … unless he is blameless… which I very much doubt.
I’m not trying to be sweet. I’ve already said that in an earlier comment. Seems you hadn’t read it.
All right John. I missed it.
Same nonsense was floated when Zeek was shut down. Scammer reactions to regulation are predictable.
Not half as interesting as you, Oz and the gang making an appearance.
Actually I am hoping Charles does not agree to a plea deal and takes the SEC to court. Then and only then are the TM members going to see what Charles was really doing with the money and how they got taken.
Charles is a Ponzi pimp, and he thought after all these years getting away with it in his other 16 failed programs he would bluff and talk his way out of this one too. He was fooled.
He believed his own mantra that he was doing nothing wrong, he had gotten away with it 16 times and would get away with it again, but found out he wasn’t as invincible as he thought he was.
The fun is going to be when they file the criminal charges.
Not much point to it.
On September 23rd reality will collide with Scoville’s disconnected Facebook rants and the cleanup of Traffic Monsoon’s Ponzi mess will begin in earnest.
Anything up until then is huffing and puffing. Least of all when Scoville is hiding out who knows where.
Well, Sunil Patel has made a presentation he is prepared to repeat under oath in court.
He wants to SEC to watch it and I think once they have done their case will crumble and Charles will be proved right. They are bound to have a change of heart.
Even hardcore skeptics like Lynndel will cry with joy knwowing they too can join a revshare that will work for years to come.
Scoville’s latest Facebook update shows his location as Utah in the US.
Yes this can be faked but uh yeah. Maybe he touched down in the US this past week…
his older posts on FB do not show any location, so why does this latest post show his location?
if he really is in utah, USA, has he been assured by the SEC that he will not be arrested?
if he has returned to the US without any assurance, he’s just shit batcrazy and will be arrested at any moment!
scoville’s latest post says:
duh scoville, the SEC could SEE that TM was a ponzi scheme and would soon stop paying out. they stopped it before it could do more damage.
you cant blame investors because you are the one who designed and ran a ponzi scheme in which most investors were bound to lose their money , you crazy idiot!
So far the “crazy idiot” seems like the perfect candidate for sentencing at the “long” end of the scale.
I thought this was a civil case. Nothing said about it being criminal so far.
In his sec interview page 62, 89 and 90, already belies that.
So people could buy the ad service for $10.95 or they could stump out $39.05 extra for the profit share. It seems pretty clear that the $39.05 wasn’t by any stretch buying an ad service.
Since his physical whereabouts are unknown and there is currently no basis to restrict his travel, I speculate that the DOJ has obtained a sealed indictment against him. If he arrives in the US (Utah in this case) he will be subject to arrest.
Given the allegations in the SEC Complaint, the US will do what’s necessary to get him into or keep him within its jurisdiction.
And Gerry Nehra (can we call him “the Ponzi lawyer?”) testified, in court, that Ad Surf Daily was not a Ponzi. Didn’t help one bit.