Trinity Lines in denial over Achieve Community shut down
If you’ve read even just one review here at BehindMLM on a matrix cycler scheme, you’d know that unequivocally these opportunities are identified for what they are: Ponzi investment schemes.
The recent SEC shut down of Achieve Community reaffirms that, with the matrix cycler positions Achieve offered its affiliates deemed “securities under federal law.”
Why?
Because ‘early investors (were) paid their purported investment returns from the funds of newer investors.‘
In the aftermath of the Achieve Community shut down, one would expect a number of similar matrix cycler Ponzi scams to distance themselves from Achieve. But how different can you really be when your core business model is the same?
One such business, Trinity Lines, recently sent out an email to its investors advising them that the scheme “is nothing like” Achieve Community.
Achieve Community saw affiliates invest in $50 matrix cycler positions on the promise of an $800 ROI. Trinity Lines also offers its investors $50 matrix cycler positions, albeit spread over three separate tier queues.
The core idea is the same though, Trinity Lines investors pony up $50, and once enough new investors jump on board they cycle out of one queue and enter the next.
New funds are used to pay existing investors, in the same manner Achieve Community operated in.
Despite this, here’s what Trinity Lines advised their investors when concerns about the company’s business model were raised:
The collapse of the Achieve Community.
Firstly, my heart goes out to everybody that was part of that business. I am sorry to hear that people have lost their money and with the help of God himself, they will get it back.
I know what it’s like to lose money in programmes and it’s not nice. Emotions go from sheer anger, revenge to eventual calm and acceptance but you don’t ever forget.
I don’t know what happened there, I thought everything was running smoothly but I did have my concerns due to various reasons.
People are asking me, ‘What if this happens to the TL?’
We let everybody know exactly what’s happening at every turn of our business. We are transparent. We don’t just hide the negative stuff, we tell you if there are problems like with our recent programming glitches and processor issues.
Products are $58, we deliver them and we enter our customers into a cash reward plan that pays out when people complete any of our lines.
People will call us what they want, and some have already but it doesn’t bother us because we give it all out anyway.
We are clear about our no refund policy, people know where they stand before they even join.
We guarantee product, not rewards. The two most central aspects to any business are good structure and transparency and lets face it you can’t be transparent if you aren’t honest.
Like Achieve Community, Trinity Lines’ products serve no other purpose than to offer a pseudo-compliance cover to investment in matrix cycler positions.
Naturally the reason they can’t offer refunds, is because “they give it all out anyway”. That being code for “we use your invested funds to pay out existing investors”.
I will in no way slam Achieve or any of their leaders because I don’t think it’s professional but I will say this… Trinity Lines was not modeled after them and it is nothing like them.
Not modelled after them? Sure, in the sense that modern Ponzi schemes might claim they too were not modelled on Charles’ Ponzi’s original scheme from the 1930s.
Make no mistake though, there’s no difference between Achieve Community’s matrix cycler Ponzi scheme and Trinity Lines’ matrix cycler Ponzi scheme.
People can see our lines, where they are at and track the movements very clearly. They see our products when they get them.
What being able to see your investment position in the cycler queue has to do with Trinity Lines not being a Ponzi scheme is a mystery.
This shocking news has stunned us all as many Achieve members are in Trinity Lines but you can’t compare the two businesses. A couple of years ago it was Zeek and Banners brokers and it will be somebody else in 6 months or a year.
The only advice we can give people is to pick yourself up and always keep your risk low no matter what business you are going into.
Did it really “stun” anybody though? It’s hard to believe that anybody who invests $50 and then expects $800, or $2550 in the case of Trinity Lines, doesn’t know where the money they are being paid comes from.
Like Achieve Community, Trinity Lines is currently experience payment processor issues.
The main issue most online businesses have is finding the right processor to deal with. We kept great relationships going with both Payza and STP, still have them but we are looking for a more flexible long-term processor and we will find one in time.
We are not going to rush into one. We were never kicked out by a processor after we were accepted, if things weren’t right we left them.
As matrix cycler schemes grow in size, money laundering triggers are often tripped, resulting in difficulty shuffling newly invested funds to existing investors.
Whereas Achieve Community was terminated by Payoneer, in Trinity Lines their issue is with Cascadia Finance.
We recently entered into an agreement with Cascadia Finance, a Canadian based payment solutions provider.
We did our homework on them and I knew one of their main reps for about two years.
After we saw their demo, charges and agreements, we decided that we would enter into an agreement with them with a get-out clause and felt comfortable that they would deliver on their specifications.
Well they didn’t, they were lax and we were always chasing them.
Once our programmer and and (sic) IT specialist told us to break clean or they would ruin us, we did exactly just that.
We understood that people purchased cards and loaded their wallets, a fraction of TL members did this however we knew they had to be refunded and they will be, not by us but by Cascadia.
Mike is meeting with the bank and the head of the solutions company this week to organise the refunds for these people. It will be done so I don’t want people getting all worked up about it.
Please allow them to do this and not conduct any chargebacks. If they don’t deliver the refunds shortly I will instruct everybody to do a chargeback.
We told you everything about our dealings with them and there is no hidden information that we are withholding, that is the truth.
Trinity Lines put over 2k into them and now we have to try and get that back too and I am certain that we will for breach of agreement.
Now tell me, have you ever heard of a payment processor not wishing to do business with a reputable company? Handle money… it’s what they do.
Whereas Trinity Lines spared us the token Ponzi excuse, “they can’t handle our level of payment volume”, the excuse of “dragging their feet” isn’t much different.
I mean think about it, why would a payment processor drag their feet all of a sudden. Could it be they did some Trinity Lines due diligence on their side and decided taking on matrix cycler Ponzi money wasn’t worth the risk?
Naturally they’re not going to tell Trinity Lines that, so we get the story of Trinity Lines chasing them for answers that never came.
Either that or Cascadia wanted Trinity Lines to conform to money laundering regulations, at which point Trinity Lines’ programmer and IT specialist told them to bail.
As per Cascadia Finance’s website,
We have established fraud prevention and risk management tools to provide a host of solutions for identifying and preventing online fraud, using state-of-the-art technology to define a client’s identity, location and account details in REAL TIME.
Through our partners, our identity checks far exceed the US Bank Secrecy Act/Anti-Money Laundering recommendations.
We determine the level of risk associated with each client for acceptance, and whether further due diligence is necessary by means of a rules based formula.
What’s the bet Trinity Lines immediately triggered this rules based formula, with Cascadia Finance not at all liking what they saw?
One point Trinity Lines differs from Achieve Community is the location of their owners.
Trinity Lines is composed of three people, a team of admin and a programmer.
The three people are the owner (sic), Tim who is a UK friend of mine also living in Ireland. There is me, Dominic who also lives in Ireland and our web developer who is based in Hungary.
In our Trinity Lines BehindMLM review, we identified the individual running Trinity Lines as Dominic Butler (aka Dominic J. Purcell), James Hart and an unknown third “offline business owner”.
Why Trinity Lines do not disclose the name of their third owner is unclear. Remember though, the company is “transparent” and doesn’t “just hide the negative stuff”.
Legitimate questions about who exactly is running the company are also hidden.
As with Achieve Community, both Butler and Heart are neck-deep in the schemes Ponzi investment fraud, presumably having preloaded the scheme with positions before they launched it:
We don’t make money from Trinity Lines purchases at all. We make money from the cash rewards positions that we have in the reward lines.
In summation, Trinity Lines argue that they are not a Ponzi scheme because of the products attached to their matrix cycler investment positions:
We have been called a Ponzi by a few people out there, the skeptics out there. The only problem for them is that we are not a Ponzi at all.
Ponzi’s make promises or guarantees in most cases which we don’t.
Ponzi’s usually cream off the top by their very nature, we don’t that at all, quiet the opposite actually.
Ponzi’s camouflage their businesses with fluff products, we haven’t.
The Vignettes carry genuine value and were taken by a professional photographer and many many shots were required to get the right ones.
There is value in there, sweat equity if you want to call it that is legally, lawfully and rightfully capable of creating it’s own value.
Ponzi’s don’t offer real value, they offer fluff, the opposite of what are doing.
Ponzi”s are investment vehicles, we are not licensed investment brokers as you can tell. We are not an investment vehicle at all.
Ponzi’s offer investors high returns for their investment and use the investments of others to pay them.
Since we are not an investment business, promise no returns, sell products and at the discretion of the business we pay out cash rewards that does come from product sales… it does not make us a Ponzi scheme.
What Ponzi schemes do is use newly invested funds to pay off existing investors, and that’s precisely all that takes place in Trinity Lines.
Whatever “fluff” they attach to that core mechanism is entirely irrelevant, just as it was in Achieve Community (banners anyone?).
Purportedly based in Ireland, one images Butler and Hart believe they won’t be shut down by regulators any time soon.
With “many Achieve members” having also invested in Trinity Lines though, whether or not there’s any residual regulatory fall out from the SEC remains to be seen.
right! it’s a ‘breach of contract’ clear as day!
trinity lines should just take cascadia to court. why just beg the reps not to make chargebacks?
by taking cascadia to court for ‘dragging its feet’ and not performing, trinity will get the added advantage, of the court studying their biz model, and giving them the ‘all clear’.
two birds with stone! buy one, get one free ! 🙂
They are not in denial (to themselves), but they will lie through their teeth to the public until they are stopped.
And did you really expect conman to admit that he is in swindling business?
look at that…..a scammer finally admitting banners broker is the scam that it was
I have absolutely no issues when I use paypal online for selling real products. and at nowhere near the fees the scam processors charge.
On the contrary,
real online businesses, as distinct from fraudulent operations pretending to be online businesses, have no problem at all.
They can pick and chose which processor suits them best.
REAL businesses do not use processors at all. They can actually have a bank account, credit, and process credit cards themselves. Hell, I can even do that on a personal level.
Getting involved with ANY company that doesnt have enough backbone, credit or legitimacy to process a a credit card is INSANE!
I’ve seen the “God” fellow mentioned by a number of fraudulent scheme promoters.
Could it be that this “God” is the mastermind behind all of these schemes and if so, what’s his cut of the ill-gotten gains?
At any rate, Dominic’s comments re: TL’s legitimacy sound are eerily reminiscent of those from Achieve’s dumb and dumber admins a few months back.
Wonder if any former Achievers in TL will notice this?
Depending on what part of Ireland Dominic resides in, one of these links may be useful to TL’ers in the near future.
garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=29
actionfraud.police.uk/
And then there’s this one:
interpol.int/Crime-areas/Financial-crime/Fraud
Being that Trinity Lines is not based in the U.S. and Achieve was, The SEC would not be able to shut down T.L.”s operations or freeze their assests, Correct me if i’m wrong, Trinity Lines can only be ordered to cease operations in The U.S. by the SEC right?
While SEC can not stop Trinity Line completely, it can cause plenty problems for them. They can make processors to drop Trinity Line or freeze assets of processors that continue to work with Trinity lines.
They can charge top Trinity Lines recruiters/managers criminally and civilly. They can work with similar agencies in other countries to speedup Trinity Lines downfall.
Y’all need to wipe the drool from your mouths.
Trinity Lines sells beautiful vignettes that are biblical scriptures on them. They are not a cycler. They are not a matrix. Anyone can choose to purchase one vignette for $58, that can then be used as their wall paper, or framed and mounted on their wall.
The owners of Trinity Lines, at their discretion, will then enter their customer into a cash rewards system. They make no money from this and the rewards lines are on their website so you can see where you are at all times in the rewards program.
Since when is it illegal for a company to reward their customers, thank them for their purchase by rewarding them?
It seems to me you’re so used to wrongdoers that you can’t recognize a company that’s trying to do something good.
Also…in Achieve, I could buy 100 positions at once…big red flag. With Trinity Lines, I can only buy 1 vignette every 12 hours.
Get your facts straight before you try to stir shit about great people.
@10-4
As per Alexa’s estimates, the US makes up 32.3% of traffic to the Trinity Lines website. Issuing a cease and desist in the US would cause a collapse.
Australia is the other big source of traffic at 34.2%.
Also US authorities have been known to work with overseas governments when things get out of hand (Liberty Reserve for example).
@Patricia
Selling vignettes does not entail Ponzi ROIs.
Then why do they sell cycler matrix positions?
Trinity Lines’ compensation plan betrays your pseudo-compliance BS.
Can you purchase vignette without a matrix position? Nah, because what you’re really purchasing is a Ponzi matrix cycler position. Cut the crap.
Hahahhaha.
Rewarding your customers by offering them matrix cycler Ponzi positions has been illegal for the better part of a century in the US.
How many investments you can make is irrelevant. It’s being paid with newly invested funds, based on how much you have invested that is the issue.
Best of luck with the Ponzi scam denials. You are the lowest of the low type of scammer there is.
It will usually be by a State AG or Securities Division, not by the federal SEC.
“Fraudy” Jorgensen (Bidify, MyCenterBid) received a Cease and Desist in at least one U.S. state (Alabama) in 2007 for the Ponzi / pyramid scheme Plexpay.
NOLINK://asc.alabama.gov/Orders/2007/CD-2007-0009.pdf
So why would I pay $58 when there seems to be loads of free “biblical” screensavers/wallpapers/prints on the web?
Would anyone pay $58 for a digital “vignette” if the ponzi scheme weren’t attached?
But if I were stupid to enough to pay $58 and wanted a few of these, why would I only be able to buy one every 12 hours, as opposed to say a legitimate web business that would allow me to buy as many as I wanted?
Do the admins really believe that any regulator would be fooled by their amateurish attempt to conceal their ponzi scheme behind a, very thin, facade of legitimacy?
At any rate, the links in my earlier comment may be useful to anyone in the U.K or Republic of Ireland who wishes to report this scheme after they realize they’ve been defrauded.
I am wondering how much Achieve pays you to do this.
I know this thid was not an interview conducted but snippets that were copied from TL Facebook group. All the best in what you are doing and I hope it makes you a happy person.
Smart people will see that you are just hating.
Hahahah. Ah Ponzi scammers, I do love some of the stuff you come up with.
Anyone with a half a brain that doesn’t recognize Trinity Lines as just another matrix cycler Ponzi scheme is either in denial or neck deep in investment… or both.
How could you possibly know what “smart” people will see ??
How smart is someone who gives his money to ponzi fraudsters ??
Can’t you read? Achieve is dead, sued and closed by government in the US. They can’t even pay themselves, much less pay someone to call a kettle black.
If you want to invent a conspiracy you should have picked a better “boogeyman”. Can’t you pick something like God, conspiracy of the rich, the illuminati, the “evil government”, aliens, or something that’s more plausible than a scam already dead?
Why, you can’t get them from your local church or something? How many of them do you need any way?
Where are they made any way? Hopefully it’s not some sweat shop in China… like all those “Christmas ornaments”…
here’s one more snippet, about how TL is making the best of achieve’s demise:
does this mean that ‘achievers’ lost interest in the ‘banners advertising industry’, and suddenly, overnight, became ardent ‘vignette collectors’? fastly mutating ninja turtles!
And it’s all over…
Matrix cyclers are feeling the heat from the Achieve Community shutdown.
That and after Cascadia it’s likely no payment processor would do business with them. Sounds like regulators are turning up the pressure on the processors who continue to service these Ponzi scams.
hahaha! they cant fight google!
oz, one article from you, and cyclers are racing to shut themselves down ?
incredibly nice of them. saves everybody [regulators] a lot of trouble!
congratulations to the TL Team for being goodboys! 🙂
No word on refunds though. Admins have done a runner with everyone’s invested funds.
That didn’t take long,,
the Trinity Lines webpage is now a parked GoDaddy landing page
right. they must have made a small bundle. i wonder if PJ’s [patricia’s] funds are in that bundle?
but the bigger question is where will PJ buy the ‘beautiful vignettes that are[have] biblical scriptures on them’. collectors items after all, are collectors items!!
I was a part of Achieve and Trinity lines and have lost a lot of money. Please do not all me any names.
What I would like to know if the links published above will help in getting money back from Trinity?
The post was made by DGR on the 19th. If Trinity delivered all their “products” to us in an email, do we really have any way of recouping our money?
(Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempts removed.)
Now that’s a darn shame, I was just getting set to purchase some beautiful vignettes that are biblical scriptures on them.
Yeah but as PJ mentioned in comment #9, the money was paid to obtain the “vignette”, so I’m not sure what TL participants … or at least PJ … would have to complain about.
Wonder if any of the “vignettes” had this biblical verse:
“1 Timothy 6:9 – But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and [into] many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.”
That’s interesting. Serial scam promoter Rodney Blackburn has deleted most of the matrix cycler videos he’d uploaded these past few months.
His YouTube channel is looking a bit bare. It was only yesterday morning he uploaded a “disclaimer” video warning people to expect to lose money in the various scams he was promoting.
Maybe the Trinity Lines shut down was the last straw?
According to the good folks over at MMG, this was just announced by Trinity Lines:
(Ozedit: Already posted, see comment #20)
Poor Rodney, can’t get a break for one of his “can’t miss” programs to last longer than 60-90 days. What an absolute idiot.
Not an idiot. He is a conman and ponzi huckster. Such people “invest” token amount in schemes they promote, but they are handsomely paid in advance by owners of the scam.
Idiots are people who believe his lies when you can just Google or Bing his name and see history of failed ponzies he have promoted with his “I just want to be like you” sidekick Mike Chitty.
Just be honest. You knew that you are gambling on ponzi schemes. There is not way you believed that those emails were worth $58 apiece.
About getting money back. Chances are that you will get something from Achieve, but not everything though. Some money were spent Barns and Co. and gathering all information with investigators, lawyers and possibly Receiver cost pretty penny. And that comes out recovered Achieve money.
With Trinity Lines you may not get anything. Not because you “paid” for their product. Any Government Lawyer can see though this crap.
The fact that owner manage to run away with money before any rumored investigation means that this scam may not be investigated at all. They were also outside US so it complicates everything.
Your only chance is to get as many participants as possible to complain to your local AG and SEC.
I am very familiar with “who he is” but “what he is” is still an idiot because he believes all the hype and BS from these admins.
He’s an idiot because he doesn’t even know how to play the game as to when to get out of a program before it collapses or is shut down.
On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being highest, he is a 0 maybe a 2 in the role of conman and Ponzi pimp. He can’t hold a candle to Ken Russo, Faith Sloan, Simon Stepsys, Nieven van Naste to name just a few.
Now these are the true conmen and Ponzi pimps. Rodney is just a wannabe.
He is up and comer so he takes more “risk”. He “works” with smaller ponzies so he does not have so much advanced notice. But do not make him an idiot. He knows exactly what he is doing.
On ponzi promoter skill scale I would give him 6 out of 10.
Honesty doesn’t put food on the table, man. But if that’s all you got to offer…
(Sounds like he’s in CYA mode, as he’s afraid the Feds would be after him for clawbacks)
realscam.com reports that rodney blackburn has upgraded from his bottom feeder ponzi cycler games, to a more sophisticated fraud level.
since jan, 2015, he is promoting a new scam ‘Military Medical Relief aka MMR21, headed up by the mysterious Dr Tony’, which targets retired military veterans.
blackburn’s spiel, is not copiable, but the idea is to sell some pain relief creams to veterans, and pay them for their ‘feedback’. this ‘payment for feedback’ may be some psuedo compliance BS, to convince everyone they are not a ponzi/pyramid.
hello SEC, this guy blackburn, from achieve, is going after your military veterans. how about sticking your boot in his bum?
realscam.com/f9/achieve-ponzi-collapses-blackburn-now-targets-military-veterans-3732/
MMR21.com was registered in dec, 2014, and of course, all whois info is under lock and key.
the website is very secretive, and does not give any info, about the ‘plan’, you have to sign in to get those details.
the website however provides this contact address;
i’m thinking, this address may be fake, because whois does not disclose any info about the ownership. why then, will the folks behind MMR21, publish a ‘real’ address on the website?
Because it’s a mailbox, duh.
NOLINK://wyezcorp.com/cheyenne-mail-address-with-daily-forwarding/
It is also “100+ year old Pharmacy!”. Again they triggering desperate and not Internet savvy.
Dominic Butler/J Purcell, does anyone know where we can find him?
from an article at patrickpretty.com, it turns out that the SEC is very much aware of rodney blackburn, and his shenanigans. apparently, blackburn used footage from the SEC website, in a ponzi promotional video, to convince people that the SEC does not have jurisdiction over plans such as achieve.
the SEC refused to comment, but, um, they obviously will not be pleased, and they’re obviously coming for him.
patrickpretty.com/2015/01/12/update-sec-declines-to-comment-on-pitchmans-video-promo-for-achieve-community-and-2-other-ponzi-board-programs-that-used-footage-from-agencys-website/
Trinity Lines was the first scheme I saw that didn’t scream “Too good to be true Ponzi scheme”.
They had a unique, creative logo with a matching style website. There was no in-your-face sales pitch with scarcity ploy.
This is my first comment on a Behind MLM article, I see Behind MLM writes more about pyramid, Ponzi, money games and hybrid schemes than Multi Level Marketing.
can you provide a more reasonable explanation for this^^, besides the fact that you like TL’s logo?
why would TL announce shutdown, over threats and abuse, if they were not a ponzi scheme? they should have carried on , on the strength of their ‘unique, creative logo with a matching style website’!
Trinity Lines was a Ponzi scheme. The organizers decided to close up shop after their Ponzi scheme passed it’s peak activity level. They did a runner with “invested” funds.
Trinity Lines name, logo and matching website design was creative and different from most Ponzi schemes. TL was designed to rope in affiliates who either have been in other obvious cycler schemes, Or never been in a Ponzi scheme before.
Will Trinity Lines open back up soon?
^^ Lol?
They’re gone for good (at least under this name). And so is your money.
right paul, i get where you’re coming from. for ponzi newbies, a well designed website, can often lull a person into thinking that some serious business is underway.