Rippln dismiss critics as “negative opportunists”
In what is fast becoming what appears to be a business platform released without an actual finalised business model, Rippln released a FAQ yesterday that it hopes will address many of the current concerns surrounding the company.
Much of the FAQ (labelled “version 4.0”) is about the technical side of the business from an affiliate point of view but towards the end, does address widespread concerns that have been voiced by those in both the MLM and tech (app) industry.
Unfortunately rather than address these concerns in their FAQ, Rippln have adopted the “dismiss the messenger” strategy.
Published in response to videos that have surfaced criticising Rippln’s business model from a tech perspective (primarily TechCrunch and Chris Voss), Rippln writes
I’ve seen videos out there that are saying negative things about Rippln! Can’t we take them down?
The truth of the matter is that because we are growing so rapidly as a new company, opportunists are taking advantage of our success by attempting to put a negative spin on the good we are doing in hopes of boosting their own ratings.
It’s unfortunate but it is to be expected.
So who are these online rogues intent on making a name for themselves off of Rippln’s back?
TechCrunch is currently ranked the 541st most visited website in the world by Alexa and has been in operation since June, 2005. Chris Voss meanwhile has been writing about social media since 2007 and has been profiled by several mainstream media companies.
But clearly both of these entities would be internet nobodies if Rippln hadn’t of come along.
In addition to dismissing any criticism of their business model as nothing more than the unfounded rumblings of the uninformed, Rippln also advise in their FAQ that they have a crack “SEO team” working on the situation.
Rippln urge their affiliates to report “anything like” the TechCrunch and Chris Voss videos back to them, although what exactly Rippln’s SEO team will do from there isn’t clarified.
Going on to address concerns over Rippln being a scam, the company writes
I’m hearing from people that Rippln is a lot of hype without much content. Is this a scam?
It has to be the number one question on the minds of a lot of people. No, it is not a scam.
Rippln is a new and innovative company that believes the end user is the most valuable part of any technology product.
Our users then have the ability to get rewarded for the value being created through their networks, if they choose to participate in our rewards program.
We are not a scam, we are the first ever incentivized sharing technology platform.
“Incentivized sharing technology platform”? Cringe.
Putting aside that Rippln don’t argue that they aren’t “a lot of hype without much content”, much of the current state of confusion surrounding Rippln’s business model, if not all of it, rests squarely on the shoulders of Rippln themselves.
Despite allegedly being in the works for some time now, it has become increasingly evident that those behind Rippln haven’t really though through the MLM side of things.
The original business model and compensation plan material Rippln released was quickly pulled down from the internet, and has now been replaced with the following dialogue or similar variations of it:
Rippln has not fully completed its planning for the Rippln Rewards Program as it continues to undergo scrutiny by Rippln’s legal advisors.
Please rest assured that the investors in Rippln are committed to providing a solid rewards program that is compliance with all rules and regulations.
Given that the “rules and regulations” haven’t changed for a while now, one can only assume there’s some massive backpedaling going on over at Rippln HQ.
As highlighted in the BehindMLM Rippln Review, the crux of legitimacy for Rippln is in the cost to be an affiliate and commissions paid out on the recruitment of affiliates.
In the now retracted compensation plan video Rippln initially released to the public, the company stated it would pay affiliates $80 and $240 on the recruitment of Domestic and Global affiliates respectively, and $20 on the recruitment of 5 free affiliates (users).
The problem was that nowhere in the documentation were the costs of becoming a Domestic of Global Rippln affiliate disclosed.
Figures of $300 (Domestic affiliate) and $900 (Global affiliate) with a monthly $50 fee were circulated, but where these figures were pulled from is unclear. Personally, I was waiting on official clarification from Rippln before publishing anything further myself.
While waiting on this clarification, Rippln then decided to pull down their published compensation plan material. Co-founder Jonathan Budd offered up the following explanation:
Right now the price points are not finalized. In addition, we may not have a global or domestic license at all.
Rippln is constantly evaluating what model to bring to market, that equates to the best value proposition for our users who decide to participate in the rewards plan.
We will be updating the market place as soon we have finalized it.
This seemed to indicate that there might not be any affiliate membership fee at all. However the Rippln FAQ reaffirms that, although the amount might not be finalised, there definitely will be some cost imposed on affiliates who wish to earn commissions:
We are in pre-game mode and are not accepting payment at this time. Getting in your ripple as a fan is free. Join, and watch the concept grow.
At this stage of the roll-out, we are building buzz before releasing our first products. If you’d like to get an experience for what our company is about, invite your friends or contacts.
Share the concept. Tell them that while there are no guarantees in life, a lot of people believe in this concept. Then watch. What do they have to lose?
When the next phase comes out, watch that, ask questions, and see if the company stands behind the concept and message. All this is available before they are asked to pay a single dollar.
Dollar amounts commission earning affiliates will be charged might not yet be finalised, but the Rippln FAQ strongly indicates they exist.
I might not know anything much about the app industry but I have picked up a thing or two about MLM over the years I’ve been writing for BehindMLM.
Primarily of significance here is that if you are charging affiliates to participate and paying commissions on the recruitment of new affiliates on multiple levels (MLM), you’re running a pyramid scheme.
This holds true is irrespective of what you attach this compensation plan to product wise or what buzz words you invent to describe what is anything but a revolutionary “never seen before” business model.
Still, in declaring their compensation plan unfinished Rippln do leave themselves an out. If they launch with no affiliate fees or eliminate the recruitment commissions paid on Global and Domestic affiliates, either will stem much, if not all, of the pyramid scheme concerns.
Meanwhile what amazes me is that allegedly Rippln have thus far attracted over 200,000 affiliates, despite nobody but management having any clarity on what the business model will be on the MLM side of things.
200,000 people have signed up for tickets to the Rippln MLM train, the drivers don’t appear to be certain on how to operate it and nobody really seems to know where they’re all headed.
At this time it is not costing you anything to sign up and play, so we just encourage you to gather as many people as you can to join your ripple and have fun watching it grow!
Buckle up kids, this is going to be a bumpy ride.
The more I think about it, the more Rippln looks like Burnlounge Redux.
Burnlounge used the term “concentric retail” instead of MLM and used the term “rings” instead of “levels”.
Rippln basically substituted “ripple effect” and “ripples” instead.
Burnlounge have two types of membership, retailer, and mogul, the difference being that retailer don’t earn $$$ (just credits) while mogul gets $$$. Both benefit from selling the three kinds of membership: basic, exclusive, VIP.
Seems Rippln is going to a bilevel thing: domestic, and international, but likely keep the two types (i.e. pay $$$ vs. no-pay).
It’s not an exact parallel, but the similarity is interesting.
I’ll be watching this thread for sure.
Come to think of it, they are using “fan” for retailer and “player” for mogul.
Rippln CEO Brian Underwood was master-distributor for BurnLounge… you do the math.
I was in Dallas a couple weeks ago and there was no mention of any monthly fee. But they did say $300/$900 for the domestic/global license. I agree there is some backpedaling going on for sure.
Where there’s smoke there’s fire… I thought it was odd these specific figures kept popping up all over the place.
I wonder why Rippln are going so hard at distancing themselves from the figures they initially released? In anycase, it’s confirmation that they are infact using a pay to play model which, when coupled with the previously released recruitment commissions doesn’t bode well.
When I asked for confirmation on the costs of signing up for commissions as a Global or Domestic affiliate, Jonathan Budd stated:
They might not be finalised but it appears the $300/$900 were released to the public by Rippln themselves. Those figures are what those in attendance at the Dallas event, and by association and marketing most likely thousands after, have signed up on.
This is why in MLM you don’t go into crazy-hype marketing mode until you’ve completely finalised your business model and compensation plan.
They didn’t indicate at all that there was even a possibility of “no license fee”..hence the backpeddling. Who knows.
By end of May we should know what’s happening. I’m not feeling like it’s gonna be a solid, long term strategy. Those who I see jumping on board are the regular “jumpers”.
Oh, yes, the serial-MLMers… it’s free (or cheap), let’s join any way, it *may* work out.
That’s not a business strategy. That’s like playing the lottery, but with lot more work and anguish.
Well don’t we know that 98% of the people who start any MLM have the lottery mentality.
That’s why economists call a lottery “idiot tax”. 😀
But at least in a lottery you know the odds exactly. And you don’t have to spend any brain juice at all.
Neither are true with MLM.
I’m glad you guys are staying on top of this one as I feel many are going to get burnt. I’ve been following your site for a few days now due to the wife’s mother trying to convince her to sign up. (MIL is a hard core MLM sucker, has been for many many years, who has once again become typically nasty to her daughter for not ‘grabbing the opportunity early / missing out / etc’ .. I’m surprised there’s no mention of the specific company she’s with really on this site)
As for this Rippln, there are to many unknowns, no terms and conditions, no easy opt-out etc. It doesn’t feel right .. and yes I suppose, if its real a person may miss the bandwagon .. but better to tread with caution I say.
Anyway, just saying, good job in general on highlighting any potential issues out there. I’ll be following this one closely!
Actually, they do have a T and C, but they chose NOT to link it. Hmmm…
donotlink.com/rippln.com/tandc.html
Sometimes it’s better to ACCEPT the situation (say “Yes” and join it), rather than having your MIL nagging about it for years to come. 🙂
We had some similar comments for ZeekRewards, e.g. “What can I do, she will blame me for her failure if I don’t join her downline?”. I typically tried to find some inexpensive solutions to it, pointing out that it would only last for a few months.
Oz, how can you be so disgustingly and grossly “uninformed” the event wasn’t in Houston, it was in Dallas. SHAME ON YOU FOR NOT HAVING ALL THE FACTS!! LOL..
It just shows that all of this Rippln bashing is simply the cockroaches trying to get some steam to advance their own agendas..
@Cashola Queen
In Dallas, did Brian Underwood and Jonathan Budd come out in Pro-wrestling gear fist pumimg the crowd and “raising the roof”?? Going right into a head to head push-up contest? Followed by a tap into the “universe” ritual..Ending with everyone getting uncomfortably close waiving lighters to R. Kelly, “I believe I can Fly”.
And was everyone given a gift bag filled with a “super juice” that’s has more antioxidants in it that 100 acres of wild bluberry bushes, a skin cream “better than botox”, a bottle of “spray” that kills every virus in the world, 10 cds teaching you how to dominate the real estate market if you pay them 10k and info on some obscure “energy” company telling you switch over your phone, internet, cable, utilities and life over to??
Oz misspoke, simple mistake that doesn’t change the meaning of what he said. Thank you for being so gracious in how you pointed that out to him.
As to all the absurd MLM caricatures you mention Rippln uses none of them, they’ve invented their own. “If you owned just .8% of facebook that stake would be worth $X”. So what, Rippln isn’t selling stock in facebook and they aren’t even selling stock in Rippln, they’re offering an opportunity to buy into to their comp plan.
MLMSucker, how many levels does facebook payout on and do they use a binary or unilevel? So do you see what a stupid comparison they’re making is?
And they pretend that if the could get the game Clash of the Clans under contract they’d be pumping a cool mill a day into their comp plan.
What do you think the odds are that any heavy hitting app makers are going to want to be associated with a shady upstart not even really a tech company that’s getting a savage beat down from the tech community?
@GlimDropper
SCENARIO: Why not launch the company, keep everything free, let people build their Ripples or whatever.. and sometime in the way future launch some kind of a comp plan based on each person’s ripple to the “T”??
Paying people out off what the companies worth or what they’re generating. Even if it’s tiny and I’m sure it would be tiny commissions for a while. Leave the whole MLM angle out of it. Does that take a very large budget (that they don’t have)(who does?) to keep the company going for a while?
Why handcuff yourself right out of the gate making people pay to be a “player” right away and having to pay the bonuses etc.. that’s like shoe-stringing yourself right from the starting line. With the loosley confirmed fees, if they end up with 500,000 people at launch, 499,000 won’t ever look at it againg. The same exact thing happened in Global One.
There are people in Global One with over 10,000 (even more) in their downline and lost every single one! And they weren’t charging ridiculously at all and they are still charging people every month for basically nothing. They just dropped the ball!
Why not launch it and test the waters see how it goes not caring about the “buzz” from lift-off. Of course it will grow a lot slower. I guess they would have to have a nice nest of $$$ that thy don’t have, hence piledriving people from the word go to get the fees to buld their bank..
It’s not as “sexy”, “spine numbing”, “paradigm shifting”, “mind blowing”, “world changing” ,”matrix loading”, “shape shifting”, “locking and loading”, “dropping and popping”..lol, I know the world as we know it will never be the same might not come into play for a long time but maybe years from now people can make an extra few bucks off of their infulence instead of being the first “billionare” network marketer.
Actually scrap that whole post, that would’nt ever happen. Not even in never never land.. did I hit add comment? lol
@mlmsucker
Because nobody would join.
Affiliates were sold on earning money on the recruitment of free and paid Global and Domestic affiliates. This is the hole Rippln have dug themselves into.
You really think people signed up to use an app they know virtually nothing about, that does what they can already do with other apps and doesn’t even appear to be finalised yet?
People signed up for the recruitment fees (recruit 5 free users = $20 and $80/$240 a pop for Domestic and Globals). Change that and you’ve got a hoard of angry affiliates on your hands.
Now where did I put my popcorn…
Oz, I was looking at your Review of Universal Private Banking and saw where you used Google Maps to identify the HQ of that company.
I was reading the T&C (found by viewing the source of the page/HTML, found at startmyripple.com) of Rippln found here: rippln.com/tandc.html and decided to Google map the address at the bottom: Rippln, Inc., 901 Sam Rayburn Highway, Melissa, Texas 75070
From the Map I clicked on Google Search and the first result with the same address is BHip Global. So, I looked at the T&C for them found at: bhipglobal.us/Terms.aspx
Scrolling to the bottom of that T&C, you’ll see it is the same address.
I don’t know any significance of this, but I did find this interesting. It also appears the Melissa Fire Dept shares a suite there as well. Huge tech company poised to change the world? I’d expect an HQ a little larger than that.
In any event, maybe this will give you a little more to research on.
Cheers!
I may have spoke too soon. Looks like that is the address for an MLM software company who acted as registered agent of the corps. Direct Sales Software, Inc
Still interesting.
There is a link. Jenifer Grace, registered agent for Direct Sales Software, is also general counsel for bHIP.
All these companies are linked at the hip, so to speak.
I googled “Direct Sales Software, Inc” and found several connections to other people/companies. Most of the connections were to Terry Lacore.
Link disabled (copy it if interested):
corporationwiki.com/Texas/Melissa/terry-lacore/101341369.aspx
I will normally not check stuff like that, unless there are some reasons for doing it.
I got my own Rippln Review up:
http://kschang.hubpages.com/hub/Investigating-Rippln-what-does-Rippln-do-Who-is-behind-Rippln-Is-Rippln-a-Scam
haha this reminds me of wazzub.