What happens if Polaris Global cancel any more events?
Shortly after the Polaris Global Macau Influence Live event it was announced on a team call that the planned 3 day Sovereignty Live event in Hawaii had been cancelled.
The Sovereignty event was supposed to be held in May but was rescheduled for December, the location relocated to British Columbia, Canada.
The official reason for the cancellation and reschedule was
Our goal is to give you guys an absolutely fantastic ramp up time to build your business.
Regardless of the official reason, cancelling your next live event so soon after your first major live event since re-inventing your company doesn’t seem to make any business sense.
…or does it?
There’s two sides of this particular coin. On one side you have the official reason and game plan of Polaris Global management.
Strategically the idea is that Polaris Global has recently gone through various name changes and internal restructuring. One week they were Polaris Media Group, then a short lived stint as Polaris Global Marketing and now the company seems to have settled on Polaris Global.
As a result the company has virtually no web presence as Polaris Global. In a company that relies heavily on online technology having a wstrong web presense is important and this ties into the next point.
It’s no secret that attendance numbers were down at the Macau Influence event. After Polaris distributor’s claims that thousands would be in attendance for new perspective distributors seeing a few hundred at most must have been a disappointment.
This isn’t exactly the best environemnt to foster confidence and build new business relationships out of.
Realising this, the management at Polaris Global have seen that it currently makes no sense to hold another sub-standard attendance major event before the much more accessible one day Foundation Live conference scheduled for August in Sydney.
The business idea here is that being a cheaper one day event Polaris Global distributors will be able to better sell it and with any luck attendance numbers will be up. From here it’s much easier to market the later 3 day event and get people committed to the company.
In this sense I completely see why Polaris Global decided to cancel and reschedule the Hawaii event. Under Polaris Global distributors now have six months to market Polaris under this new brand, ideally without any negative PR Polaris Media Group had.
What this doesn’t address though and also conveniently brings us to the other side of the coin is whether or not the company is in trouble.
When you’re major top of the line sees a pretty big attendance slump, drop in production quality and general consensus of criticism amongst your own distributor base, something is up.
The cynic in me can’t help but ask just how good business is for distributors of Polaris Global? Surely if things were going well, regardless of whether your three day event falls before or after a one day recruitment event you’d still be able to pack both? Or at the very least have some decent attendance numbers.
The rescheduling to December of the Sovereignty event is a sign of a lack of confidence by Polaris Global in its own distributors to succeed in successfully marketing the company in the short term.
The situation we now have is that Polaris Global have all their eggs in one basket. Well two to be precise.
The turnout at the Sydney Influence event will make or break them. A good turnout will show that there’s still life in Polaris Global, a bad turnout will in turn lead to a poor showing in December and then round off an entire year of poor attendances.
This is the worst possible outcome and will be disasterous for the company.
Additionally the company will struggle to make any more reschedules without appearing financially weak and having a lack of confidence in itself.
Any further changes to Polaris’ event schedule are off the table and this is make or break time for the company. With August just a few short months away it will be interesting to see how things play out.
Oz. Please remember the biggest problem of all. Beyond Freedom Evolution was released in January for $2285 USD. It consists of three portions: Departure, Decision and Action. As of today, no one on the planet has received Decision (Part 2) nor Action (Part 3).
But they’ve all paid for it.
The other major consideration is the money-back guarantee. In the past, Polaris (Liberty League) offered a 10-day money back guarantee to the client if they did not like the product.
People have already been asking for a refund on Evolution because they paid for it in January and STILL have not even gotten half of it.
Polaris refuses to refund people.
A potentially VERY STICKY situation.
How can people evaluate a product that hasn’t even been produced but yet paid for months ago?
And now there are rumors that the office in Scottsdale has closed, is being run “virtually” around the world, and that at least one virtual office staff is a Scientologist in Los Angeles.
So strange that the people still left in Polaris don’t see the light.
I was fooled for a few months when everything was quite straight forward (Liberty League days). We had a product that most loved.
To have a product that you sell that has not been produced is extremely poor business. I wouldn’t be confident selling at all.
Why are they still there? I mean there is brain washing but this doesn’t make any sense. Do not put any money into this company. You will never see it again.
It’s not a rumor, from their website:
Makes it harder to sue them, as you need to serve them with legal documents. Try serving a P.O. Box.
Those other “trend setting” companies maintain a central office, where the large majority of their employees work.
If people weren’t suspicious before, they should be now.
If you look at their Polaris Global Community blog, the majority of the “founders” stopped posting. Scamdog Kieron Atkinson seems to have gone over to GiveOpp.
Rachel Oliver is back to prospecting; She’s actually advertising on Facebook!
The ad was posted yesterday! Someone should screenshot that before she makes it private.
Business must be really good.
I’m not really surprised that Oliver is back prospecting. If she was responsible for 80% of Polaris Media Group’s business then a transition from sales to solely focusing on corporate by her would hurt the company.
Especially seeing as nobody else seems to be prominently succesful with the company as of late.
There’s only 136 followers on that blog, with claims of thousands of distributors you’d think there would be more followers on their blog.
The date for this….Polaris Global Sovereignty Conference – Whistler, Canada 11th – 13th December 2010… we’ll wait and see won’t we?
Check out her ads: http://apps.facebook.com/marketplace/seller/37737435/?listing_id=1944504456
I like this one: Make $3,000-$5,000 Per Week. Not MLM
No wonder they have ethics problems, if their company founder is lying on advertisements.
Whatever happened to the ban on advertising income potential? Or are you allowed to do this once you become a partner in the company?
I am technically “active” LLI/PMG distributor who joined the company three years ago when it was really flying high. I was fortunate enough to have enjoyed a reasonable level of sales success but unfortunately found that the big untold fact of the LLI/PMG story wasn’t about making sales but how much it cost to generate them.
In 2009 I generated $185,000 in sales but had expenses of $183,462.00 resulting in a net profit of $1,538.00 the majority of which (80%) was advertising.
The marketing piece is the part that nobody ever talks about and is the part that ultimately sunk this ship for many of us. I want to thank you and commend you for the valuable information you are supplying. I found your “where are they now” post concerning the current circumstances of the major players in the LLI EMC to be very enlightening.
I found what you indicated to be factual and informative and laud you for your efforts to cast some light on the unfortunate demised of what actually was a pretty interesting phenomena.
I do think it would be only fair (and I am not one of her fans by any means) to possibly clear the air regarding something that was posted about Wendy Stevens, the legal document that was linked was a finding of an appeal that was for a conviction for an offense that took place in 1997, long before she was associated with LLI/PMG.
I would imagine the appeal was designed to try to do some damage control on something in her past that affects her ability to perpetrate her “image” as some high powered motivational expert.
By the way her as someone who paid good money to attend one of her “Seven Figure Marketing Schools” and received a copy of her “Reverse Google Marketing” I would advise that anyone considering the purchase of same to think again.
I did not attend the event in Macau but had a couple of people I sold tickets to who did and the account of the event appears to corroborate what I was told from those that were there.
I did attend the Kick Off Event in San Francisco in January (my 4th Kickoff event) and was totally somewhat surprised that there were only about 175 people in the room, this was compared to a standing room only crowd at the 2009 Kickoff in L.A. There seems to be no doubt that the August 2009 meeting was the real beginning of the end of the really great company LLI had become.
I would say that was a result in no small part to Brent Payne either being forced out or seeing the handwriting on the wall, it is obvious that Shayne has betrayed all the great principles that many of us felt the company stood for.
The FTC hasn’t seen this one yet… also claiming it’s not MLM… it is MLM now even Krider admits that now. A Hybrid MLM company.
Quote Rachel Oliver add
“Make $3,000-$5,000 Per Week. Not MLM
As Seen On TV! Our business is booming in this unstable economy….”
More lies, they just cant stop can they? There business is rapidly failing. Even returning to desperate old methods of stating income potentials which was clearly band a while ago by the leadership.
Cant wait until this scourge is gone. If you going to state income potentials in your ad, how bout stating the percentage of people who make a profit in your business like an American court of law forced you too hey Polaris?
Hmm just noticed, you can also leave comments on the ads 😛
and report it as “suspicious” or “too good to be true”
Now wouldn’t it be very interesting if all the people who have been ripped of by Rachel Oliver or Liberty League or Polaris Global Media or Polaris Global or (insert next on the run business name here) reported the ad as a scam?
That is interesting to know, no one can be anonymous though, your facebook id is apparent when commenting.
WARNING: You are a complete moron if you buy a conference ticket to these events. They have to make sales just to get the money together to put on the events. (All the EMC knows this).
So unless 200 people suddenly decide to buy tickets for full price ($7995 USD) there will be no Whistler conference in December. Never in all the years of Liberty League did the company go 90 days without an unscheduled event.
Oh, and let’s not forget the 2nd and 3rd components of Beyond Freedom Evolution (Decision and Action) are STILL not released even though thousands have already paid for the entire package.
P.S. Oh yeah? The Tahiti Influence conference is 12 months away. TWELVE!
rumour has it… no one is making any sales- oops.. i mean having new excited, ‘at cause’ team members knock down their doors begging to join the amazing (deceitful, manipulative, conniving)business …
and even the most loyal stalwarts who stilljump out and give fake testimonials and profess their love for the company and life changing (cuz u will be flat broke) company on prospecting calls and bustle to beat each other in introducing imaginary guests that dont exist and whose names they made up so others don’t realize, they too are going nowhere- are starting to question whether there will be an event in August and if the company is heading for complete financial ruin…
they are getting tired of the same regurgitated ‘training’ calls and forced energy, having to reassess their limiting beliefs and defend the company and see friends and family dry up one by one…
heeelllooo… how many more alarm bells do u need??
also seems many have gone back to trying to flog Unbeaten dvd’s on facebook to make at least a $3 commission.
great return on 6 mths of work- 60hr weeks and will almost pay off those 3 maxed out credit cards u were encouraged to get!
POLARIS SCAMMERS should start to take responsibility for what they have done to the company and ppl who trusted them based on the lies they were told…
Bravo Shane & Rachel! They have decided to let the associates take payments for all product purchases again. That seems like great news for associates, right? Wrong.
Think about this. Shane and Rachel have just shoved all the risk with credit card chargebacks off their desks and put them into your pockets. So if you make a sale, you are liable to your customer if (when) Polaris closes its doors.
Still no expected delivery of Beyond Freedom Decision and Action has not even been written yet. Still no dates for Foundation, Sovereignty and Influence live events. But, thousands of people paid for all of the above three starting last September 2009.
Rumor has it many people are having success calling their credit card companies, calmly explaining the situation, and getting their $2285 back. If you are reading this and unhappy, call your credit card company. They will be glad to assist you. Polaris won’t. This is why they now have a virtual office.
This all sounds too good to be true. I love these updates. I cannot wait for the company to fold so that no more unsuspecting people shell out and lose their dough. It’s time to go…..Rachel Krider! She’ll have to find another money making venture to feed her habit!
According to the Polaris Global site, Decision will be released in May. Any update on the release date of Decision? Seems like Polaris has to make money just so they can publish it and distribute it to the many people who paid for it many many many months ago. Shane has had all of this “ramp up” time to get it together.
Here is some good news for Shane. Departure is a smash hit. The name itself tells the story. Look at how many leaders have DEPARTED from Polaris since it was released.
Apparently the CEOs of Polaris Global are in Australia this month. They are catching up with new and old distributors in Sydney on 19th June at 3.30pm and Melbourne on 26th at 2pm.
Anybody know the location? I’d love to call in a say hello.
Yes i doubt these fine establishments would be too keen on them renting the meeting room or whatever if they knew it was to recruit scientoligists or to promote the scam that robs innocent people of their hard earned money, under false pretenses of a legitimate business opportunity.
There are plenty of people who work from home and companies like polaris, avant, giveopp etc tarnish them all- which is very sad, greedy and selfish.
I imagine that if the these following places knew the truth about Polaris – and it was leaked to the mass media- it could potentially be a PR nightmare they could do without.
i can see the headline now…
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lies lies lies
Dont go to these events unless you want to hear people telling you blatant lies and trying to steal your money. they will say whatever they need to so u part with your money and eventually you become so weak and vulnerable that you are in a no-win situation.
You will struggle to decide whether to have peanut butter or vegimite on your toast in the morning and be riddled with self doubt and fear.
I will put money on the fact that the spiel will sound something like this:
‘It’s so easy, no quals needed, just follow the leaders, do what we say, step up, take responsibility, cut people out of your life that oppose what you are doing, trust only those that have gone before you, everyone else is jealous, time freedom, financial success, community of like minded entrepreneurs, a group of people ‘on purpose’ and ‘in action’. Step up to get results, the only way to succeed is to go ‘full boat’ and be a leader in your life!’
ha! such crap. they wont tell you that it is a pyramid scheme and you can expect to put in 60hrs a week, spend close to $60k, make zero $$, be laughed at by friends and family lose any element of self confidence and respect you have.
but you will hear that if you dont succeed then it’s because you aren’t committed enough, you dont believe enough, you havne’t set your goals prperly, you are listening to naysayers, you must watch TV, you aren’t following your DMO, haven’t approached your warm market, must’ve missed some training calls and haven’t been developing your mindset properly. There are limiting beliefs that you need to work on and that it isn’t the system or the opportunity that is failing- but keep going- cuz you could be just around the corner from success. More action action action is needed!!!
Gosh- even writing this- i feel stupid- so obvious it’s a cult- only wish i saw through the bullshit before i almost lost everything.
So sad how many nice people i met along my LLI/polaris journey are still believing and giving it their all- despite being on the brink of divorce and losing their houses.
Wake up Sheeple!!!
Uh oh, here they go again, hitting Canberra this time.
Looks like they have worked out that it might be safer not to publish the venue. You have to register first to find out where to go.
The Whistler B.C. event was held last weekend and from what I can gather was as much of a flop as Macau. I’d love to hear from any of the attendees regarding their experience.
And now for some gossip. Apparently the Kriders are expecting a little $cientologist sometime in the new year.
Did Polaris ever release the 3rd component of Beyond Evolution? 1) Departure 2) Decision 3) Action ?
They announced all 3 in September 2009, had people pre-pay for all 3 , and here we are 15 months later with the 3rd portion of the product still not in play.
I haven’t heard anything about the Whislter event other than seeing a few photos from some local photography guy David Buzzard that Polaris appeared to have hired.
From a social aspect it seems alright, no idea how as a business conference it went though. Anyone would think there was a media blackout on the event.
@Here we go again
Not to my knowledge. They seem to have gotten sidetracked with producing a heap of random documentaries.
Polaris have uploaded some photos of the Whistler event, and I wonder why they bothered. Looks like less than 100 people turned up for the black tie dinner.
It seems like it was held in some back room of the resort with as few frills as possible. Of course the same old faces are there along with a few others who may come to regret their (expensive) presence.
Didn’t notice any photo’s of Scientology Simon Haggard? What happened to him and his pigheadedness? Thought he’d never leave. Did he grow a conscience?
I noticed Bob Molina was absent again. Are he and Lisa even still married? Someone posted a link to her leadcapture page awhile back and Bob was nowhere in sight. JUSt her and her son.
Then again, it might be a money thing. Lisa and Bob were living off the company’s dime for several years. An EMC member once told me that Polaris paid their rent in Los Angeles and their Range Rover was actually Shane Krider’s that he’d loaned them. Supposely they haven’t made any money in years.