New Dealshaker dev team confirms OneCoin has no blockchain
Yesterday evening I received a copy of the New DealShaker dev team report.
This is the report I first became aware of back on May 21st, but at the time wasn’t able to verify its existence.
Last night I had a social engagement I couldn’t get out of, and at the same time I didn’t want to just copy and paste the report for publication.
So if you’ll excuse the delay, here’s the report.
For context, this report is believed to have been sent from Duncan Arthur’s New DealShaker development team to Veselina Valkova.
From there it was distributed to OneCoin’s top leaders. Many of whom were summoned to Sofia Bulgaria, for crisis meetings carrying into this weekend.
No specific member is credited with authoring the report, with the intent being that it represents the sentiments of all New DealShaker team members.
The report was put together following months of disconnect between what the New DealShaker team had been hired to do, and the information and tools Veselina Valkova and OneCoin staff provided them.
This culminated in the arrest of Konstantin Ignatov earlier this year.
At least one of the New DealShaker dev team was travelling with Ignatov at the time. They were interrogated by the FBI but no arrests other than that of Ignatov were made.
As I understand it the New DealShaker team primarily dealt with OneCoin staff through Ignatov.
Following his arrest, communication between OneCoin staff and the New DealShaker team rapidly deteriorated.
So begins the report;
This will be the first and only email that will come this way.
We can all understand the confusion, anger and frustration among the people that have had the inside view to the last weeks
communications going on.Not sure what agenda you have VV but we suspect that its either; trying to protect yourself and your integrity or it’s trying to get certain people to cut a deal with someone.
Either way, the truth will here be laid out, as it is, not dressed in some fancy words for a long-gone founder and creator of this magnitude of a mess.
We’re not sure who the referenced individuals cutting deals are.
I figure it’s either related to Konstantin’s arrest and the DOJ, or unspecified players still pulling the strings behind OneCoin.
In Jan/Feb 2018 the “ONE” systems IT administrator, “Momchi” left the ship.
He took with him, not only most of the so called “keys” but also the knowledge how these systems were put together.
And a few months later, in stormed another IT administrator “Stan” that took over what more could have looked like a crashed space craft.
Claims of in house OneCoin developers leaving are supported by numerous ongoing problems This is supported by the numerous programming bugs that have been observed on OneCoin’s website, backoffice and in DealShaker itself.
Perhaps the most prominent development issue OneCoin investors will be familiar with is the long-running CoinSafe disappearing coins problem.
To this day points OneCoin affiliates parked on the promise of increased returns remain unaccounted for.
We were contracted to build a new platform to facilitate the use of the “ONE” in June 2018.
The contract was never signed by anyone in the “ONE” company. In fact, the company BNC Consulting, put up as counter party, is not even around anymore, it’s been liquidated. That
company simply closed down and bills are not getting paid.
Who set up BNC Company is unclear. OneCoin’s creation and use of shell companies however is well documented.
One of the main terms for this (New DealShaker) development to take place is that the “ONE” would provide APIs that can connect the systems to each other.
That is, to be able to do what every other block chain technology company with ease provides.
Open Source APIs to use to connect to their services and be able to build applications around it.
Services like paying for a product or a service.
After several initial calls with staff in Sofia, it was again promised on the calls that APIs would be provided or helped with.
Another month goes by and nothing happens. Duncan is well aware of the situation and we all start raising our voices.
“Where is the APIs to the ONE system”?
First week of August 2018 your IT administrator sends us the “source code” of DS and the “ONE” system that your services is based on.
With one simple message attached! Here is the code, you try to figure it out!
The above suggests that whoever took over after “Momchi” took their money and fled, had no idea what to do with OneCoin’s systems.
It also supports and explains the aforementioned ongoing development bugs.
Seriously, that is like giving the workers at a car factory, the spare parts of a fighter jet plane and except them to put it together. And also forget to tell them, it’s a fighter jet they are going to build.
There is not a single Fintech company on the planet that works like this.
In all our efforts to try to get in contact with Sofia’s IT administrator it is revealed to us that no one in Sofia or in “ONE” IT has any idea how to do this.
We have to use K every other week to try to get some assistance in understanding this big pile of mess-up.
Konstantin himself is not believed to have understood any better the IT side of OneCoin.
As previously mentioned however, the New DealShaker team relied on him when communications with Sofia broke down.
The saying goes, that if “it’s smelling like rotten fish it is because it’s a rotten fish” and nothing else.
This did not smell good.
Still no APIs or access to anything that can be used to try to connect a service that seems more like it’s a fiction of someone else’s fantasy.
Remember that while all of this was going on, OneCoin was pumping out updates to its affiliates and pretending nothing was amiss.
This continued even after Konstantin’s arrest.
Since Sofia are unable to provide APIs we finally get a database dump of some 250K users with their wallet balances of cash and “ONE” in the middle of November 2018.
We can roll out, but the systems are still not connected.
Furthermore, the cash balance on the accounts are well over 40.5 million EUR imported to the new service.
Money that Sofia never paid a penny on to us, or anyone else for that matter.
The important points here are that, when pressed, Sofia provided the New DealShaker team with a database of investors and their wallet balances.
There was no blockchain to speak of.
Thus as of November 2018, New DealShaker was ready to go but there was no blockchain to connect it to.
I believe the “cash balance” figure referenced above refers to withdrawable funds – which the New DealShaker team weren’t willing to replicate on their platform without seeing proof the funds actually existed for withdrawal.
That proof was never provided.
We now have 1 person fulltime dedicated trying to figure out how the service can be connected. No light in sight.
We are trying to build an intermediate service to get it working.
After a long and heated call with your IT administrators we are told that the ONE system is broken. Its broken since this “Momchi” left the scene.
We ask for documentation. There is no documentation,
“Momchi” took that or deleted it.
Instead of coming clean OneCoin strung along its investors with excuses as deadline after deadline was missed, or more often than not – radio silence.
WOW, we ask ourselves yet again – how can this Fintech company that have raked in billions in revenue, not have better security, repository storage of codes and more importantly, not have any hard copies of these things in more places then 1?
Who in god’s name set this up and are responsible for its organization and structure?
Why are someone like “Momchi” solely responsible and have access to the core of the core.
It’s like giving the Coca Cola receipt to the guy in customer service and hope for the best when he walks out of the door.
We are all starting to get a bad gut feeling since there is simply no progress to get this sorted.
And so it is with so many individuals who got into bed with OneCoin.
From short-lived executives like Pablo Munoz and Pierre Arrens, to those who stole millions through the scheme like Igor Alberts.
It seems the moment anyone in OneCoin is provided a peek behind the scenes, their “bad gut feeling” causes them to either quit or disappear.
Such was ultimately the case with the New DealShaker team, but not before a few more months of dysfunction played out.
We are now, in January 2019, reading the documentation written up from Sofia corporate about the “white paper” of the ONE system. Is this for real!
There are so many contractionary facts in these papers that simply do not match and are put together.
It simply does not work like this in any real, open and transparent virtual crypto currency block chain technology.
Our concerns now are not only starting to become facts, they are more and more confirmed by the lack of ability to co-operate to get this connected.
Suddenly, K is arrested in the USA, Duncan as well interrogated by the FBI. The shit storm is about to go down we think.
When K is being away it seems, the communication ceases to exist, making the co-op from Sofias side to just die off.
The situation appeared dire. On May 7th however, something strange happened.
The 7th of May 2019 we discover that the repository code storage of the “ONE” system is updated with brand new “commits”, where new services suddenly appear.
Things like Wallet Manager, Transaction Manager, API’s to “a” onecoin backend and blockchain?!?
All of these did not exist 2nd of May when the commits where done.
All of this have literally been created in the last months by your IT administrators.
Is this another effort to try to save yourself… now we suddenly see communication to connect to the blockchain? That did not exist before!
There’s room for misinterpretation here, so I’m going to clarify: this isn’t some secret blockchain that OneCoin internal devs were hiding from the New DealShaker team.
The NewDealshaker team had been asking for some of this stuff for at least seven months. They weren’t provided API access to it because it didn’t exist.
Then on May 7th newly created commits within OneCoin’s systems were added.
These appeared to be related to API access to a blockchain.
Prior to May 7th however neither the apparent blockchain or API access to the apparent blockchain existed.
And furthermore, to date no evidence of a blockchain has existed. The commit calls provide programmers with integration – which has not been tested.
Upon realizing they’d been lied to regarding OneCoin having a blockchain to provide API access to all along, the New DealShaker dev team pulled the plug.
We cannot be a part of a criminal activity or a conspiracy to commit any type of crime or even be implied to have been a part of such.
The facts are clear:
• There is no real block chain. Just a simple block chain script that is running as a php code on a mysql server.
Maybe there was a real block chain, maybe not. But it’s not something anyone have seen in code or can view at this time.
• There is no mining and have never been, again just a script that is running on the server and also confirmed by R and S in their email exchange made public.
If you know what mining actually means you would also confirm this by just looking at the setup of the one system.
Mining is for either creating blocks/coins or confirming transactions in a real blockchain.
• There is no ledger, just a database table with numbers going back and forth.
• There is no explorer where anyone can view transactions, since it simply do not exist.
• There is no wallet service with encrypted private or public keys using cryptography.
• This is a complete disaster.
And to quote Rs (Ruja Ignatova’s) email to S (Sebastian Greenwood):
“We are not mining actually – but telling people shit.”Our goal is not to take anything from anyone but merely making sure that the 1.5 million, (yes it’s not 3.5 million users but 3.5 million accounts where multiple users have several accounts –
to get the facts correct) unique users can get value back, that will work – legally, secure, fully transparent and with absolutely no affiliation to anything that is in the past.No one in the network teams speak for all members – we do care about the once that invested their household saving in a dream.
To realize that you need to realize this – it will happen despite what absurd threats some individuals burst out into the open. That is just sad.
And it’s not another ‘package’ to buy or ‘investment’ to make. It’s just going to become very clear when all is out for the public to see.
We did not create this mess – we simply are lending a helping hand to guide whoever is ready to be guided.
Based on real technology, opensource, viewable, compliant and licensed to trade.
Based in EU regulated jurisdictions where we go by the rules and regulations.
Denial is one of the strongest human emotions.
As I understand it OneCoin is currently being run by its three Master Distributors (Jose Gordo, Habib Zahid and Simon Le) and the Sofia staff, of whom Veselina Valkova seems to be lead pony.
Following receipt of the New DealShaker dev team report, OneCoin pushed out a story that Duncan Arthur and his team had been fired and could no longer be trusted.
OneCoin affiliates have been told to ignore the contents of the above report and wait for further announcements.
Despite API access to who knows what added on May 7th being the only visible programming developments since January/February 2018, OneCoin announced it is resuming development on the old DealShaker platform.
This is the same platform that was riddled with bugs, such as allowing purchases beyond maximum amounts set by merchants.
It is the platform the New DealShaker team were brought in to program a replacement for – for good reason.
In the wake of the separation, the New DealShaker dev team have gone underground.
In some instances this a necessity out of fear for their personal safety.
The New DealShaker team do plan to release their work as a stand-alone platform, but that isn’t quite ready for release yet.
When it is, it’ll work with cryptocurrencies but have nothing to do with OneCoin.
As for OneCoin, we’re not sure what will come out of the leader crisis meetings being held this weekend.
The company has had the better part of a week to come up with bullshit to feed to those summoned, who will in turn be ordered to dutifully spread it among remaining affiliates.
Regardless of what one feels about the New DealShaker team, they had access to the programming internals of OneCoin.
Beyond not having a blockchain and simply making things up as they go along, there is zero reason for OneCoin to have not provided the New DealShaker team with blockchain API access.
As represented by the New DealShaker team, the platform was ready to roll out roughly seven months ago.
Going forward whatever platform the New DealShaker team release is not believed to be MLM related – so we’ll be unlikely to cover it.
Konstantin Ignatov’s preliminary hearing is scheduled for early this coming week. Stay tuned…
JC!
Duncan always looked like he didn’t fit in with this lot!
Even if we ignore the starting point of wanting to spend Ponzi-points without a blockchain, that has been a literal “software project from hell”. And I’ve seen some.
– The customer does not even really know what they want. (No news in software industry, TBH.)
– The customer is unable to provide the technology that is required for the project.
– Delays, excuses, unsigned contracts,…
These guys would have been ready to walk off even without finding out that someone is retroactively trying to create a blockchain that never even was there.
We should remind ourselves that the dev team’s real beef is not that OneCoin has no blockchain and is a scam, but that it’s so dysfunctional they could no longer ignore that fact.
In other words, they fear it’s no longer tenable to accept stolen money and say “But officer, we were just asked to develop an e-commerce portal, we had no idea it was a scam” when the time comes.
I hope no-one seriously believes that no-one on the dev team ever put OneCoin into Google and said “Um, guys, there’s an awful lot of bad publicity and regulatory warnings I think we should look at…”
It’s funny to read the panic and lies spread by OneLife leaders. Now Blue Diamond Mai Loan lies to the members that “European Union has confirmed OC blockchain”. 😀
Of course there’s never any links, because no authority has officially confirmed OC blockchain. There’s only OneCoin’s own claims.
But as said before, the blockchain issue is not the essence of the scam, the ponzi is the essence of this scam:
It doesn’t in the end even matter in what form the ledger is, Onecoin was planned from the beginning to be a ponzi type of scam, where packages generate coins up to hundreds of times cheaper than the ever increasing fake coin price dictated by the OneCoin scam company.
They created an impossible to survive ponzi economy where members currently have way over Trillion euros ‘worth’ of play money coins, but demand even via MLM sales is pretty much dead.
Bullshit stop this nonsense please I hope.
No one part and trust these bloody scammers.
Krnic made a post which includes a lot of OneCoin internal messaging regarding the Duncan team situation and the conflict which happened.
Definitely worth reading:
onecoin-debate.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4704
I got bored a few paragraphs in. Stopped reading when Krnic incorrectly surmized Arthur stated his IT “was bad” (he was clearly referring to OneCoin’s).
Can someone summarize?
Seems to be just a bunch of waffle that doesn’t change anything or add any useful new info?
Can’t really be summarized, it shows how the conflict escalated.
I noticed the same thing about the “bad IT” Krnic interpreted incorrectly, I will comment on that.
I have friends who have invested over 300k on Onecoin, is there a chance for them to file a class lawsuit with the New York court to get some money back?
Sure, they can find a lawyer to file a lawsuit. Said lawyer should be able to advise them as to the probability of getting any money back.
My non-lawyer opinion is that with the DOJ involved and who knows what else, the chance of them getting any money back through a lawsuit is zero.
Seriously – who cares ??
The iceberg has been hit, the Titanic is sinking.
No amount of rationalizing, justifying and laying blame is going to save it.
This screenshot was interesting:
https://i.imgur.com/uKIefmu.png
Also:
Konstantin is doing a deal. That means pleading guilty to at least something. That means the DS and OL brands are poisonous. OL might even be declared a criminal organization.
(Still reading the rest of it.)
Yeah but is that because we reported on the possibility of a plea deal or because they actually know? I’ve been told OneCoin’s Sofia staff check BehindMLM every morning for updates on the case.
Suppose we’ll find out later this week either way.
Where would Duncan get the information of a plea deal? I don’t think Konstantin is allowed to communicate much outside his present accommodation and I don’t find likely that his attorney would blabber such information to Duncan.
At this point I suppose Duncan is also checking his news daily from BehindMLM and covering his own ass to the best of his ability.
The serial cheater Peter Walsh writes on Facebook without stating a source:
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“German management company“? A new joke or a new lie?
I think Duncan’s RICO(Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) fear is an original one, which might indicate that he is not merely parrotting “haterz propaganda”.
And it’s a very big deal if it actually happens. Konstantin’s possible plea deal is a pretty minor thing in itself, if there is a larger RICO case against OneCoin/OneLife of which his plea deal may be only a part of.
RICO has been applied to ponzi schemes before, e.g:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_W._Rothstein
Could it be that they have involved a German company to develop a blockchain? A slapped-together alt-coin clone that is not connected to the la-la coins in the backend SQL database. Users are told it will come soon.
Then they launch it on a third-rate exchange where it crashes and burns after some waves of pumping and mostly dumping. Next step is that the German company takes over development and maintenance.
When users don’t get their coins or are disappointed with value they can just blame the old OL/OC corporate, nothing to do with us.
Look at SwissCoin for this exit strategy, it seems to have worked.
If your friend invested $300K in onecoin, if they still have funds left I have an Island I would love to sell them. They could use it for FyreFest2. LOL!
Please let me know which company’s German management company.
There is now a webinar by Duncan and Jan-Eric: youtube.com/watch?v=lsxj72eELIY
They are launching their own project under the brands Ovid (e-commerce platform), Sphopzky (cashback), Bycoi (their own brand new cryptocurrency), and crypto currency exchange to be launced in July.
Not sure how totally separate it is from OneLife/OneCoin, though. Or what is the MLM element, if any. The webinar was aimed at OneLife members. Jan-Eric says that they carrying out the task that Konstantin gave them (in January this year[?]), which is to “fix whatever is broken in OneLife”.
If I understood correctly, they are even willing to incorporate OneCoin to their platform if Sofia allows it, but they are nevertheless launching their own Bycoi cryptocurrency.
Somehow it doesn’t now matter to them if ONEs are sql based ponzi points if it bring members to them? At the end of the webinar, Duncan even says:
I don’t really understand it. It’s a sorry mess like everything else that has sprang out of the OneCoin scam. But I think it puts the recent events, including the message to Veselina, into a new light.
It seems that they have been planning their move quite a long time since they have almost everything ready. Everyone is playing their opportunistic games in the ruins of OneCoin.
These people are all cynical scammers, including Duncan and Jan-Eric. I didn’t buy their self-serving “we are just innocent tech workers trying to do our jobs who gradually came to realize the betrayal by Sofia” story.
Just look at the timeline:
The ovid.ie registered on March 9th
BCB Coinstrike Limited established (that is, memorandum of association signed) on May 3rd (beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/11982321/filing-history) — days before they supposedly found the new “real blockhain commits” by
OneCoin Sofia IT team on May 7th.
My opinion, Duncan and his team (IT) want to get something from onelife but unfortunately they got nothing. now they are trying to make a new that doesnt connect w/onelife…
oh…Duncan if you find something wrong with onelife… why in USA they interrogate Konstantine,,, are you the modern judas escariote?
era; why would Arthur know why the Us arrested Constantine?!
Ask the US. It was Arthur who got questioned and lett go, maybe. Arthur was questioned.
Lolwut?
The narrative is pretty clear here – Thirsty Duncan and his team took a load of money off OneCoin on the promise of building them a new set of smoke and mirrors that would magically make their fraud real, or at least give them something to string investors along with.
Once this pretense became impossible to carry on any further, Duncan and co jumped ship, taking as many suckers lists with them as they could download.
Now they are tapping up those suckers lists for this Sporky Bycoi rubbish. MLM based or not.
Nothing particularly surprising. What sort of person was ever going to jump into bed with OneCoin in the first place?
The idea that anyone remotely tech-savvy would never put their new employer’s name into Google and would be totally oblivious to OneCoin’s true nature is impossible to sustain.
So let me get this straight. All of a sudden Duncan gets a conscience and refuses to work with OneLife because he says it is an illegal operation, starts his own crypt-currency but would welcome OneLife to be a part of it as long as OneLife makes some apologies and validations.
Seriously Duncan, you expect us to believe this BS?
After all the time you spent working for Ruja you just discovered they were lying through their teeth there was a blockchain? You really expect us to believe this BS? Especially when it has been repeated over and over and over there wasn’t any blockchain for more than 5 years, but you and your expert IT Team couldn’t figure that out until now?
Good grief what a dunce you are. Let’s get real. You made a power play to take over OneLife and got rejected and that’s why now your eyes were opened and discovered no blockchain.
You are about as an astute businessman as Ruja is a businesswoman, zero.
Talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth and arse all at the same time. You learned well from Ruja.
This is also a good narrative but I prefer mine.
“Taking over OneLife” would be volunteering for a prison sentence.
Sure, you might make a bit of money but the game’s clearly not worth the candle, otherwise they’d’ve found some homeless tramp willing to take over Pierre Arens’ CEO mantle by now.
No, much better to extract a load of beer money (and a load of whisky and vodka money) for “building a blockchain” and then as soon as that’s no longer tenable, play the “We were just contractors” card.
And reverse ferret as fast as you can possibly can with OneCoin’s sucker lists in your back pocket.
We just paid for one academy, and we were just given promotional tokens.
secondly we are risk takers so we are ready with what ever. No risk, No gain,The higher the risk,…
“I didn’t rob that bank, I just walked in there with a gun and pointed it at people… All I wanted was to borrow one of their pens, which just happened to come with thousands in promotional money. ‘onest!”
Nobody believes OneCoin’s Ponzi pseudo-compliance. I don’t. You don’t. And regulators certainly don’t.
Who ever joins onelife, he/she is given a chance to read and sign the terms and conditions, one academy packages and a book called “The richest man in Babylon” through mails.
we are in a technological revolution where by a company is in a process of creating a strong currency which is user friendly to every one.
if onecoin delays, you here complains from public, the same public preaching that those who invested in onecoin were looking for quick money so which is which?
A currency which is to be used as a medium of exchange for hundreds of years to come can’t be created with in one day. more patience is required.
CONSTANTINE IGNATOV, who is constantine ignatov in comparision to onecoin? constantine is constantine, onecoin is onecoin.
the same happen to Duncan, lets assume Duncan has left worldly life, onecoin can also do the same?
we should not get worried about constantines’ arrest or Duncans’ failures provided that onelifers’ accounts can open and close.every one is having a right to talk and listen from any source, but the only right information regarding one coin should only come from a trusted ONELIFE BACK OFFICE.
So let me get this straight. All of a sudden Duncan gets a conscience and refuses to work with OneLife because he says it is an illegal operation, starts his own crypt-currency but would welcome OneLife to be a part of it as long as OneLife makes some apologies and validations.
Some one has worked with a company which has no block chain for five years is promising the public to start his own crypto currency with block chain? imagine!!.
why people are eager to see onecoins’ block chain before they set themselves to trust?
Ponzi terms and conditions are not legally enforceable.
Part of the small group of scammers running the OneCoin Ponzi scheme, through which they’ve stolen billions.
Again with the US criminal cases, we’re a bit beyond pretending to believe the nonsense coming out of Sofia.
Because blindly trusting scammers gets you *takes off sunglasses*… scammed.
Obvious is obvious.
lmao!
@Sseguya Haruna
You live in Uganda and have been trying unsuccessfully since January 2019 to sell four different products on DealShaker. Question: Who lured you into the OneCoin scam? The deceitful “Bishop” Fred Ntabazi?
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Strange! Since when does PHILIPS deliver African local food? 🙂
share-your-photo.com/094321d42d
Doesn’t matter whether scam or not.It’s not all about Fred Ntabazi It’s all about Internet.
may be Ntabazi has helped me to discover Malanie!!. my friend we should wake up.
It’s pretty much all that matters. The rest is pseudo-compliance bullshit.
Was just a slight mistake as it may refered to any human being.
but still if u’re insisting to the point, you’re free to go in LOCAL FOODS market and you buy ELECTRONICS.compare how old you’re,+ imagination =Answer.
But does the pen work? Is there a spring in it? What kind of spring? Metal or plastic? What’s the usability of this pen, and is the ink replaceable?
Wait, what? You committed the act of robbery! My bad, I was focusing on the wrong stuff. Did you do that on purpose to try to distract me from the fact you stole the money?
This might explain… everything.
Provided that me and u are following the same trend in terms of reasoning and thinking capacity.
It seems u feel so much worried and concerned about those who invested in onecoin and lost money, thanx, am among the group of over 3.5m onelife members who lost.
so what should be the next plan? is there any compensation plan from u? send it via western union or money gram i will welcome it in uganda.
There is no next plan. You invested in a Ponzi scheme and now your money is gone.
Sorry for your loss.
It’s really more about stopping people from investing in a scam in the first place, and at the very least, stopping current investors from throwing away even more money to fraud.
And thanx 4 calling it “my money”
@Sseguya Haruna
Your advertisement for the New DealShaker is out of date! The scammers from Sofia have ordered that only the old DealShaker should be used!
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In addition, you call yourself “Regional Manager” and “Crypto Consultant”. Who gave you these titles? Ruja, Konstantin, the fraudulent “Bishop” or you? These titles are just as worthless as the OneCoin. 😀
Is this the workplace of a regional manager in Uganda?
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Yep. But by all rights four years and counting should have been enough. Or at least they shouldn’t have marketed the coin value with “expected price at beginning of 2018” (nor change it to end of 2018).
And of course it would have been a good idea to start the entire business as something else than a Ponzi scheme/Pyramid scam hybrid. But I suppose that was never a problem to those who just wanted to sell education?
Melanie from Germany
Hi Melanie, how are u doing? it’s true i was working with newdealshaker and i was stopped by crypto queen Dr Ruja Ignatov and i had uploaded many stores of which i Ignored.
here am advising u just to upload one product on old dealshaker and you start selling or buying that’s when u will benefit from an internet.
you love dealshaker so much but doing nothing there. passing there just like a spy.
(Ozedit: derails removed)
ROFL *takes off sunglasses*….
Think Oz is getting to the endgame on the onecoinscam that must have bin a Horatio inspired throwback (csi miami).
@sseguya uhm… you know that those focused germans banned onecoin and froze some of the money Ruja stole from people (stole=educationpackage).
Did you know that the focused germans also sentanced Ruja Ignatova on 20 accounts of fraud around 2013?
Did you also know how stupid the first people joining this scam in 2015 were and the level of stupid needed to join in now?
Truly
“the network would not work whit inteligent people”