Is OneCoin’s blockchain useless?
One of the side-effects of the rise of MLM cryptocurrency opportunities, has been analysis and scrutiny from the wider cryptocurrency community.
When it comes to MLM and compensation plans, I like to think I know my stuff. While I have a working knowledge of how bitcoin works however, the technical side of the cryptocurrency isn’t something I’ve delved into.
Presumably authored by someone in the bitcoin community, on May 27th an article published by “Mr. Poth” compares bitcoin’s blockchain with that of OneCoin’s.
Not surprisingly, the author has concluded that OneCoin’s purported blockchain is “useless”.
For those unfamiliar with what a blockchain is, it’s a ledger on which every transaction within a cryptocurrency is recorded. This includes the generation of coins themselves.
Every cryptocurrency has its own blockchain, which is typically publicly accessible. With it, you can observe transactions within a cryptocurrency’s eco-system. Through distributed computing, the blockchain is also used to verify the authenticity of transactions.
Regarding the creation of coins, “mining difficulty” determines the target rate at which new coins are mined.
As Mr. Poth further explains;
(a) Blochain (sic) is maintained by “miners” which are basically computers solving puzzles.
After they find a solution, they broadcast it to the network, then the block (which contains the recent transactions) is appended to the blockchain, and the miner gets rewarded in the currency in question.
Then, after a certain number of same level of answers are broadcasted, the difficulty increases, and the solving continues.
(A) very important aspect is that the difficulty is constantly getting harder and harder.
The answer to the puzzle is a right kind of hash for the new block, and difficulty is generally the right amount of zeroes in the beginning of the answer.
A “hash” is a numerical value given to any transaction that appears on a cryptocurrency blockchain. Blocks themselves are represented on the blockchain by their own hashes.
Once a block reaches the maximum amount of transaction hashes and is verified by other miners, it is added to the blockchain.
The more blocks generated that pertain to the creation of coins (as opposed to just containing transaction records), the harder the mining difficulty becomes.
An example Mr. Poth provides is the hash of the second bitcoin block:
00000000839a8e6886ab5951d76f411475428afc90947ee320161bbf18eb6048
The eight zeroes at the start represent the difficulty of this block.
A recently created block Mr. Poth cites has a hash of:
000000000000000004ce25c3427f09a3916339835f1fc76b2554bec51489b545
This second hash has seventeen zeroes, representing an increased difficulty rating.
I’m not sure if this represents a linear increase or what level of difficulty one zero represents, but what’s important is the consistency with which block hashes continue to get more and more difficult as more and more coin creation blocks.
Pertaining to the difficulty of bitcoin mining;
The network constantly tries to find a level of difficulty were the average solving time is about 10 minutes (so there is on average 10 minutes for your transfer to get its first confirmation), so when computers are getting more and more powerful, the difficulty increases.
One important thing to note is, that since mining involves a lot of probability and randomness, 10 minutes is only an average. Generally with Bitcoin, one can see a range from 5 to 20 minutes.
With me so far?
Bitcoin’s blockchain regulates difficulty to achieve a 10 minute average solve-time.
Computers get faster over time, which along with blocks generated translates to more difficult math problems needed to be solved before a coin is generated.
Otherwise the rate of generation would get faster and faster, which is not an intended design parameter.
Knowing this, Mr. Poth asks (and answers);
So, why this is important when investigating OneCoin?
Well, it seems that:
1) OneCoin does not have a real difficulty.
2) The solving time is almost exactly 10 minutes every time. Which is a statistical impossibility.
Through “contacts involved in OneCoin”, Mr. Poth claims he gained access to OneCoin’s blockchain web-interface.
Screenshots from “blockchain.info” (a widely-used bitcoin blockchain browser) and OneCoin’s blockchain are compared side by side.
Notably, OneCoin’s block hashes don’t appear to have any observable difficulty rating.
the hash does not seem to have any restrictions: any hash will do (and a computer creates a hash without any restrictions in milliseconds).
I went through a lot of blocks to see if there is any restriction (difficulty) concerning the hash: I failed to find any.
Whereas bitcoin’s hashes have the zeroes as an indication of block hash difficulty, in OneCoin’s hashes they are absent.
OneCoin does provide a “difficulty indicator”, which Mr. Poth claims has no “mathematical backing”. The absense of this backing, he claims, makes OneCoin’s blockchain “useless”.
Why?
OneCoin claims, that they will open their blockchain to global use when the time is right.
However, a blockchain with no difficulty is useless in public use because of three reasons:
1) Users (new ”miners”) can create practically unlimited amount of blocks, which means they get OneCoins in reward, which would mean fast hyper inflation, and fast loss of value.
2) If the difficulty logic is built in, but not used (”0 difficulty”), then one miner with huge resources can take over the chain (since the difficulty increases), and dominate everything that happens in the blockchain.
3) In case of conflicts, the network chooses the strongest chain, as above, with enough resources, attacker (or well, anyone) could create a stronger chain, and dominate the chain.
As to the set 10 minute mining time OneCoin has, Mr. Poth points to blockchain.info’s list of recently mined coins, which vary in time mined.
When I visited the page as I was putting together this article, the times displayed for six bitcoins mined were
- block 413870 to 413871 – 5 minutes
- block 413871 to 413872 – 12 minutes
- block 413872 to 413873 – 2 minutes
- block 413873 to 413874 – 8 minutes
- block 413874 to 413875 – 8 minutes
An example of blocks 68134 to 68137 on OneCoin’s blockchain, mined on May 24th, reveals:
- block 68134 to 68135 – 12:03 UTC to 12:13 UTC, 10 minutes
- block 68135 to 68136 – 12:13 UTC to 12:23 UTC, 10 minutes
- block 68136 to 68137 – 12:23 UTC to 12:34 UTC, 10 minutes and 26 milliseconds
This differs greatly to bitcoin’s inconsistent solving times, further supporting “mining difficulty” in OneCoin is irrelevant.
The thing with a blockchain is one you start it, you can’t tamper with it.
For OneCoin to continue on with their current blockchain (the company claims it will “go public” at around 80% of coins mined), the above problems represent insurmountable obstacles.
Or from a different perspective, evidence that OneCoin is not designed to ever be released to the public.
So, it might be true that OneCoin is indeed building a blockchain, but it seems useless, and does not seem to have any justification for the concept of difficulty, just an arbitrary number.
Mr Poth, who claims to be a “blockchain expert”, claims he “will contact” OneCoin about these problems. We’ll keep an eye out for an answer.
My takeaway is that, from an MLM perspective, OneCoin is little more than recruitment commissions plus ROIs tied to Ponzi points.
I’ve long described the consistent generation of OneCoin points each day as a simple script that doesn’t operate like a legitimate cryptocurrency would.
Confirmation that the pseudo-cryptocurrency would fall apart if OneCoin ever relinquished sole control over point generation, only reinforces this.
That this information has only surfaced now is testament to the type of investors OneCoin are targeting. The great irony being that OneCoin insists it sells cryptocurrency education.
Any resident bitcoin experts care to weigh in on Mr. Poth’s analysis and conclusion?
Said all along, OneCoin is NOT a cryptocurrency. It is merely a facade that flies all the same buzzwords.
As far as we can tell, the so-called blockchain is a random number generator that runs every 10 minutes.
BitCoin’s algorithm is well documented and open. ANYBODY can write software that mine Bitcoins but only accepted forks (i.e. approved versions) can add to the blockchain. And people have ported the clients to everything from Raspberry Pi to custom ASIC miners.
OneCoin has no publically viewable and verifiable algorithm, and thus any supposed “mining” is impossible to verify mathematically. It also claims the ability to reverse ANY transaction, which means it controls the ONLY blockchain, instead of Bitcoin’s distributed and globally sync’ed blockchain.
It is very likely that there is no blockchain, merely the appearance of one.
But it’s clear that OneHeads will proclaim that Poth knows nothing, Poth is the enemy, Ruja rules, etc. etc.
any resident bicoin experts care to weigh in on ms ruja’s gobbledygook in this video [part 1 & 2 ] recorded this month in the new bulgarian office of onecoin.
youtube.com/watch?v=bQ7nfzIRvFQ&list=PLNDcyI_n4hqtmvVoOfnbqBFC6HCSIK2gm&index=47
she says that a blockchain records transactions and keeps a record of every coin mined, but there’s no talk about any ‘mining difficulty’.
she says onecoin is centralized because it helps prevent loss of coins as the company can help retrieve passwords and accounts. she claims that though they are centralized, they have an audit every month to ensure that everything is transparent. so, who’s this audit company and why is the monthly audit not published?
and all those onecoiners who are hoping that hundreds of thousands of merchants will miraculously be announced in london on june 11th, are going to be sorely disappointed, as ruja says liquidity of the coin will take 3-5 years.
liquidity includes usability of the coins and their trade-ability on onecoins fake exchange.
so usability is going to remain 0 for a long time and trade-ability will be restricted to the current limit too.
this means people have to put their money into onecoin as a long term investment of 3-5 years. their only hope is to make income via recruitment, and we know the shelf life of pyramid schemes rarely exceeds 2 years.
ruja says as more people get recruited into investing in onecoin, the ‘brand value’ of this ‘cryptocurrency will go up making its price stable on a open exchange in the future.
by this argument ^^ telexfree’s VOIP packages should have created great ‘brand value’ because millions were purportedly buying them, or zeeks penny auctions should have been hugely successful as millions were buying ‘bids’.
but just like in telexfree or zeek, people are investing in onecoin to play the pyramid/ponzi game and not to own or trade or use cryptocurrency, so the moment recruitment slows, onecoin and its ‘brand’ will go poof.
Any explanation is useless when we are dealing with fundamendalist fanatics of the Onecoin religion.
They can’t think anything other than Ruja having an IQ over 200 with the ability to shit gold bullions for her supporters.
What he forgot to mention is just how bad using an algorithm designed for a massively distributed system in a centralized system is. It just creates more points of failure and makes the sistem perform worse and adds no benefits.
The whole point of a cryptocurrency is to be decentralized even onecoin reps use it in there presentations when they copy from Wikipedia, nothing bad with copying from Wikipedia just that they contradict themselves.
Here is a quick bitcoin video to give some perspective keep in mind how many times they use the word decentralized youtu.be/YIVAluSL9SU
The second problem is the amount of electricity and computing power you would need to this sort of mining for real, if they did what they say onecoin would be the biggest cryptocurrency farm in the world and would need some custom made equipment to run it efficiently.
Do they have patents on the cloud system they made because some bitcoin farms would pay a lot of money to run a similar cluster. Not to mention the big tree Amazon, Microsoft, Google if they have this sort of efficiency I would just offer the company to one of them and made more money in a day then bitcoin made at its peek.
A hope that people that pay 17000 euros for education know some answers to these questions if you do, hey just open up your own cloud provider and make millions selling it to investors.
You don’t even need cryptocurrencies, trust me if you spent 17,000 euros and you can work in the field of cloud computing you can make 100,000k a year just as an middle level engineer.
Semper Fortis was the earlier auditor of the block chain and supposedly had access to the OneCoin blockchain soirce code but terminated the contract with OneCoin based on ponzi pyramid claims about OneCoin.
Semper Fortis didnt want to risk their reputation.
it’s not unknown….80% of 2,1 billion which is the max of one coin algorithm …
bitcoin max is 21 million…
cryptocurrency all have a finite maximum….. althought it’s probably impossible to mine them all because the difficulty is just to high and costly in electricity and numbers of computers…..
Unverifiable claim since they never revealed their source code or algorithm.
You guys need to stop ASSUMING that OneCoin is telling the truth. Unverifiable claim is just that… a CLAIM. It’s NOT FACT until proven otherwise.
Every reputable company would do pictures or their server park as it grows.
So far we haven’t seen any real pictures of their ponzi points generators and from their “new office”. Could be BS all together (probably is).
London even, if held, will surely bring some interesting stuff up. Wait and see 🙂
I’m not assuming nothing, I was just answering your question…. onecoin say that at 80% of the max…they will go public……. nothing more to say….
A centralized blockchain? Onecoin claims that they will be bigger than Bitcoin, which means more transactions. Right now Google has around 10 million servers running, which represents around 1% of Bitcoins mining network.
They sure must have a powerfull computer at Onecoin 🙂
Îm sure not that good on crypto but I know it takes more than one computer for any of those cryptocurrency thing. In fact probably hundreds.
And onecoin say they will be biger because of the 2,1 billion onecoin, maximum compare to 21 million bitcoin.
If everything is true bout onecoin, who would be associatimg with? Liquidity is the key here.
You’re repeating OneCoin claims like a parrot. *Squawk* You want a cracker too?
There’s a difference between “OneCoin said their maxcoin limit is 2.1 billion” vs. “OneCoin’s maxcoin limit is 2.1 billion”
One is merely a claim, the other is a claim presented as if it is fact. Do you honestly not see the difference?
No need to insult me to make your point k chang. Not necesary.
I just wish you to use your brain more and stop being sheeple. Good advice is often hard to accept. May you find your wisdom.
it is ruja ignatova&co which is insulting all you onecoin affiliates by feeding you bull, and expecting you all to swallow without question.
instead of blindly defending onecoins ‘claims’ here, why dont you demand information from ruja about the identity of their auditors and the location of their server farm?
since you are investing in the ‘imagined’ bright future of onecoin, you have every right to have complete information about it.
oh poor onecoin.. the people making any money on onecoin are simply making it on new people coming in..
Its been that ways for years and will continue until Ruja is finally called outl….
scam
scam
scammm
I somehow recall somewhere being said that it could become public already at 70 percent.
The point is that at some point OneCoin members are supposed to be able to vote if OneCoin becomes public or not.
I somehow recall it was already at 70, but i might just remember wrong. For I somehow recall it would be that at 70 they get to vote, and at 80 they go public for sure.
Or maybe it is just that at 80 they start voting, which would be more logical, since that way they could play some more time by voting result (which OneCoin Themselves counted) always being in favor of not going public, regardless what OneCoin members actually voted.
It is just SO hard for some people to finally get it through their head. This is a WAY bigger scam than any Oz and crew have commented on in the past 7 years.
Can it be calculated when this famous 80% is about to happen? I believe it is years away. Also the 50% is at least year from now, if not more. Remember, it gets harder… At least supposedly.
Moreover, at 50% they said Mastercard is going to come into play in terms of credit cards. It was said you can pay with it anywhere where Mastercard is accepted. Really hard to believe haha.
It would be a possibility when they have some merchants that accept onecoin… So far, none. And that is not about to change since who is idiot enough to join with program that is close sourced.
Idiocracy at its best.
Semper Fortis NEVER AUDITED ANY WHICH BLOCKCHAIN as there IS NONE!
It was merely an external due diligence they did, then they saw OneCoin OneCon is SHADY AS CAN BE, and IMMEDIATELY TERMINATED THE CONTRACT in Aug, 2015!
But Crypto-Pig continued to spew her lies, even in September and after, that they ARE STILL BEING AUDITED BY THEM!
EVERYTHING OneCoin says is a LIE! EVERYTHING!
NO ONE should REPEAT ONE SINGLE COTTON PICKIN’ WORD they SAY!
Great job, ya’all….
Great job!
Best & God Bless!
xo~A
P.S. DO BE SURE to SIGN THE PETITION!
These MOBSTERS need to be STOPPED and people DESERVE to have their MONEY BACK! They are just TOO BRAINDEAD to GET IT right now: that’s HOW PROGRAMMED THEY ARE by “Wizard-Ruja”, as Tim calls her…..
GREAT CALL on THAT ONE, Tim!
I need 100 SIGS by June 10th, please & thank you!
Seems like people are only AWAKE at behindmlm.com… and in very few other places. . . . Thanks, Guys! xo~A
SIGN HERE: change.org/p/london-house-of-commons-arrest-dr-ruja-ignatova-of-onecoin-along-with-her-co-mobsters?recruiter=113726940
incorrectly as there are no ‘coins’.
I know theres no coin now. stop playing on words, the question was when will they go public? at 80% coins mined ………..beginning of 2018….
@ ol’ Sly one
You are ASSuming a lot, aren’t you. I will guarantee you that by the “beginning of 2018” the conversation on this and other blogs will be about the NEXT ponzi scheme and not OneCoin (except for the trials, clawbacks, lawsuits, blame-game, broken dreams etc).
With Ponzi Schemes – the music continues to play…..they just change partners.
By the way, they have an office that handles all complaints reguarding unregistered securities at sec.gov/complaint.shtml
You left out “OneCoin said…”
Hi All!
First of all, kudos to all of you who continue posting factual evidence on OneCoin. I’m not sure if you realize how far and wide information on on this web site has reached. It has certainly made an impact among my circle of friends.
I’ve been lurking on this OneCoin issues for a while, and thought I would put my two cents into the pot as part of the effort to finally seeing OneCoin go to it’s demise.
There are confrontational issues which many of you seem to be frustrated with, which I thought to bring into perspective.
Just about every MLM company will try to convince you to ignore negative people. It’s entrenched from the very first recruitment meeting.
The longer you’re invested into a company, the more you’re convinced everyone else is wrong and the less likely you’ll believe anything even remotely negative about the company no matter how much evidence is presented.
Add the financial and emotional investments with high hopes of vast wealth and riches being almost within reach, you have people who will not listen to common sense even if it punched them in the face.
Such persons will not only go down with the ship, they will tie themselves to the railings convinced that the ship is still floating. This is certainly the case with many OneCoin members.
Needless to say that you’re wasting your time trying to convince the likes of Ken Labine or “Sly” that they’re wrong. However, keep in mind that your posts are still read by an attentive audience.
It’s apparent that many OneCoin members are desperate for ANY news and especially if it’s not coming from the OneCoin hive. Focusing your discussions towards that audience will go a lot further than constantly feinting the ignorant troll posts.
You will also undermine the down line of OneCoin’s infamous trolls and eventually break their teams.
Keep up the GREAT work!
stating facts is not playing on words.
Fact 1: onecoin reached 30%. NO MERCHANTS accepting it. Period.
So you’re going to believe 50% where they will partner with Mastercard? Okay so. And even 80%? Silly you.
+1 to MojaveMLM’s summary of the situation.
Reading the increasingly ill-disguised irritation evident in “team leader” attempts to rebut “hater” factual evidence, it seems very clear that the message is getting thru at grass roots level that Onecoin is just a Cult of Personality, with little in the way of logic behind it.
I would say that it’s a classic case of “The Empress Has No Clothes”, but actually, that’s all she has got…
Since not even the (mis)education packages were password protected up until about 3-4 weeks ago, this speaks VOLUMES about the competence of their security team.
As such, I have a *prediction and possibly some *inside information (hehe) that there *may be a VERY SUBSTANTIAL VIDEO released later this week (which *might be being put together as we speak) which will DISPEL ANY AND ALL MYTHS LEFT about whether indeed there is even a coin, let alone a blockchain. Lol
STAY TUNED!!! 😉
what do,you think of this
profiinvestor.com/imperial-rdk/
and
profiinvestor.com/objects-to-buy-for-cryptocurrency-onecoin/
@Belal
I see a OneCoin affiliate accepting OneCoins in exchange for real-estate that doesn’t exist yet.
Ponzi points + realty speculation, yeah… good luck with that.
The real website for the project is here – residencepark.bg … Feel free to ask if they accept OneCoins (lol).
If this is really true than good night OC.
So, that company might “disappear” before they reach the 80%, right?
That’s another myth that OneCoin is perpetuating.
They are not talking about CREDIT cards, they are talking about DEBIT cards which are not distributed by Mastercard, but by whatever third tier payment processor they can con into issuing to OC members.
I’m a bit confused everybody!
Here it is:
onecoins.eu/wordpress/faq/
That’s whatt Oc says:
How many Coins can be mined per day ?
Per hour we can mine approximately 60.000 coins in all pools. This means 24 x 60,000 = How many Coins can be mined per day ?
Per hour we can mine approximately 60.000 coins in all pools. This means 24 x 60,000 = 1,440,000 OneCoins per day maximum OneCoins per day maximum.
That would be 525.600.000 “coins” a year.
OC claims that there maximum limit of “coins” is 21.000.000.000 (21 Billion “Coins”).
So, it would almost take about 40 years to generate them all and 32 years (if one might stay with the often mentioned 80 % ) to launch their business on the market.
Did I do the math wrong (because I’m really not good at it) or is it correct?
If so, than it must be a “scam” …
@ AR
OC claims the coin limit is 2.1 billion, not 21 billion.
AR.
Your realy not that good. I get to about 3 years at 80 %. Calculate again please.
Forget about the 100% it’s almost impossoble to mine them all. Just like bitcoin is far from theor max.
@sly & @ Chris Bailey
Haha … Silly me! Damn’!!!
Sure, 2.1 Billion is absolutely correct and if I take that sum to calculate further; than I come up with a bit more than 3 years (80%), too.
Thx guys!
@AR
De nada….
ZERO. And none of it matters anyway.
Do you know the game monopoly? What if I told you Monopoly was the new way to buy real estate and asked you to exchange your real money for those little colored bills. I then explained that those bills would grow in value and all the property and hotels you bought really existed.
Sounds ridiculous right? It’s just as silly to talk about the math in OC, percentages of mined coins, block chains, and paying for real estate with One Coins.
ITS ALL A GAME and all fake – just numbers on a screen.
Your Monopoly money i.e. One Coins, have no value. And the game’s owner has made off with the real bills.
The only thing truly relevant is that OC is a endless chain recruitment based opportunity. If you want to do some math, I’d suggest focusing on MLM in general and studying up on its failure rate and the repeat offenders it’s infested with.
@Char
Yes, Sir, you are definitely right! Prayers to the “Game-Lord” I would say.
I still can’t imagine that there are so many “blinded” investors around OC. Especially, not after all the exposures on the internet.
Our favorite Ponzi Pimp removed his NOT-A-SCAM-with-Tears video. Probably figured out he made a fool of himself (again).
Too bad, there were some really interesting comments there, mostly the ones about OC source code. Hopefully TimTayshun will not keeps us long waiting for it.
@anti-MLM
I am not involved in creating the video of the source code and “looping blockchain counter” (/.mp4/!!!!).
The person who contacted me anonymously via Skype (I’ve posted that address for anyone wanting to claim either a 100 mBTC or 0.25 BTC reward, respectively, to disprove certain egregious claims against OC). Interestingly NOT ONE Onecoiner has stepped up for the challenge!
HOWEVER, I both screen and text captured comments made on the video in question by someone who goes by “Tribis Altair” who made some very interesting *CLAIMS.
I will post the text of his claims and see if Oz wants to publish them here in the comments. THEY DEFINITELY CAUSED QUITE A STIR, although the authenticity of them MAY be questionable (as can be noted in two of his last four comments, which seem frankly, a little bombastic).
Nevertheless, it seems that WHOEVER he is is EITHER 1.) very well studied on OC, 2.) telling some high percentage of truth and inside info, or 3.) Is both well studied and a Troll against them.
I’ll leave you guys (or Oz) to debate and/ or sort out.
Bitcoin are mined individually so depending on the computer or nimbers of computers time is different.
Thats why after 7 years they have only mined 70% of the max of 21 millions.
@Sly: I need to correct you here, so others don’t get confused.
The job of “miners (more acurately “mining pools, nowadays [which is a collective of hardwear contributing “pooled” computational resources to be the first to solve the puzzle])” is to try to be the first to “batch” a group of recent transactions, by using mathematical algorithms linking them together, as well as with the previous block. {takes breath} … the first group who’s “math checks out” broadcasts the solution to the network as “Proof of Work (POW).”
The first pool to solve the puzzle is granted “the block reward” – which, today is exactly 25 bitcoins (but started at a 50 BTC rewards for the first 4 years, and “halves” roughly every 4 yrs thereafter, until all BTC units are completely depleted, somewhere around the year 2140).
This is a built in “deflationary” mechanism for the currency, to increase scarcity and circulation over time.
*FUN FACT: The next and second “halving period” is coming up in only about 5 weeks, in which the “block reward” will then be just 12.5 BTC instead of the 25 it is today (which is likely contributing to the recent 20% surge in its present fair market value).
Furthermore, while energy costs factor into the profitability of the individual miners, who are contributing their CPU, the “value” is not based whatsoever upon this, despite Ruja’s ridiculous claims about Onecon.
Miners must decide for themselves if they are solving blocks at an acceptable frequency to justify costs v. ROI (either present or speculative).
As miners either leave the network or join, the total CPU of the entire network can either increase or decrease. To account for this, “Satoshi” built in a mechanism which adjust the “block difficulty” every 2016 blocks (which is approximately 2 weeks).
The purpose of this mechanism aims to achieve an “average block time” of ten minutes; although, as explained in this article, this could mean 18 minutes for one block and 2 minutes for the next, or vice versa; but with roughly a ten minute average.
So, the point is, unless I misread your statement, bitcoin are NOT mined “individually,” and I believe my explanation hopefully clarifies what I think you were getting at after that.
Finally, if I were a member in a mining pool, contriputing, say exactly 1% CPU, than whenever our pool solved a new block, I would split the reward proportional to the amount of CPU I put in. ie., 25 BTC x 1% equals 0.25 BTC.
This reward is the incentive to keep the ledger going, in a trustless matter, and rather than paying a Secretary, prone to human error 😉
Here is the entire and unedited list of comments from “Tribis Altair” on Labine’s video yesterday.
Note: where it says “edited” that means that Tribis edited it, not me.
Also, I have screen captures of ALL of this, and as it is long, if Oz prefers, I can post the screen captures to Pinterest with just a few links. There are two screen captures I did get, but that I did not get to highlight/ copy the text into another document.
Those last two had to do with the Bulgarian Property Project, which was what Labine’s whole video was about, and had links to the names of them on “whois.com” and another site, which claimed them as “new companies,” and “suspect to possible fraud based on similar sites from the area.
DISCLAIMER: Again, I have no idea how legit this is or is not, but I thought it was pretty dang interesting and believable (at least until the “Uzi Pro’s” and AK’s came out).
Someone appears to know their stuff and also possibly be a good creative writer. I dunno.
@Tim
Tru or false people lost a certain % of there bitcoin?? And why??
Is that ehy the title crashed from 1200 usd to 200 usd. For security reason??
Thanks
If we citizens didn’t have an FDIC and a bank was robbed, people would also lose their money. Poor security measures by cryptocurrency exchange (ie., digital currency “banks”) during early passes of this new and nascent technology was the cause for many losses, and the fall of Mt.Gox, which lead to the crash of bitcoin in late 2013/ early 2014.
Just like Yahoo and Google were “hacked” a few times in their early days, technological advancements in their security makes that unheard of today – a process known as “anti-fragility.”
Bitcoin itself has NEVER been hacked. Furthermore, as long as YOU remain the custodian of YOUR funds (rather a 3rd party or centralized entity), you can store your funds in “cold storage,” offline, which had so far proven impossible to heck.
I guess I’ll extend a formal invitation to “Tribis Altair” if he wants to send me a coherent timeline of information (email/contact form). I’ll try to put it together into a single article if it’s not too out there.
@tribis altair or ask him this:
Tell me about the Steinkeller brothers??. Tell me how they begun with Ruja and what you know??
Be specific. Waiting an answer on that please.
whoa
this is the stuff of a thriller movie!
c’mon Tribis Altair, get in touch with oz, ASAP!!
As entertaining of a read as that is, I’m not sure how much of it I can swallow.
There are some very bizarre characters on both sides of this scheme.
Some things seem a bit inconsistent from this “Tribis Altair”
Early on in Tim’s copy/paste of the comments, it states that their team built OneCoin to be the most powerful ponzi scheme in history, yet at the end, expresses alleged remorse because lives are lost when ponzi schemes collapse.
Also contradicting the most powerful ponzi design statement is the claim that it got way out of hand and bigger than imagined.
Ummm, you deliberately design something to be the most powerful ponzi ever but then can’t believe that it actually worked??
And all of a sudden having remorse after deliberately designing something that runs a type of con that leads to lives ruined and lost. This had to be known as a side effect when you start designing the most powerful ponzi scheme in history.
Is this “leak” of information stimulated by remorse or by bitterness that they feel they aren’t going to get their $15 million windfall? There seems to be a contradiction there as well.
True or not, people shouldn’t let this movie of the week drama stuff distract from the core analysis of the scheme.
Would people be buying “education” packages from OneCoin for up to 27.5k euros without “bonus” coins attached hoping to earn a far greater than 100% ROI?
Absolutely not.
Education is not the product being sold.
All of this other stuff tends to distract from that basic fact.
But, as I said, there are some very bizarre characters involved in all of this.
Can someone with connections to the right Authorities in the UK, please make sure that they attend the event in London.
Please stop this madness 🙁
Here is another video on how this stuff is suppose to work: youtu.be/Lx9zgZCMqXE
Remember the key words are open, decentralized, public.
Ruja is amazing how can you make an education package on cryptocurrencies and not include this sort of stuff.
Does anyone think it worthwhile to send emails to Andrew Penman, the writer of the UK Mirror article about the last “OneCon” convention held in the UK?
I sent him an email requesting if he has contacts with authorities, please help notify them about the upcoming event.
His email is: investigate(AT)mirror.co.uk (with @ for AT)
Speaking of emails, I sent Wembley Arena one a week or so ago and haven’t heard anything back. Well, I got the automated “hey we got your email message” and then nothing further.
I just asked where specifically the event on June 11th was being held inside the venue (directions). Didn’t mention anything about OneCoin itself.
Either they’re swamped or intentionally not responding to OneCoin queries.
I agree with your analysis of my contradictions. Let me clarify on this though – my team’s involvement got out of hand but it was Greenwood and company that wanted this to be a beast of a ponzi.
Sorry for the confusion but bitterness and vodka don’t always mix.
I have no interest in becoming a martyr for this. The only reason I feel remorse over this is because unlike my past work where the beneficiary-victim relationship was clear here it’s madness – they have hand gestures, a family, haters, a future where they win.
This wasn’t just another contract to build grey area technology, it’s some kind of sick club, and the audacity of Ruja making state of the nation videos makes me болен до душата ми.
I am a hypocrite, I have mixed feelings about this simply because I am human.
@Tribis
What’s done is done.
If you’re on the level and can help right the wrong that was started, that would be great.
The main point of my post was to remind people that whether you are legit or not, people shouldn’t lose track of why some people feel that OC is a ponzi/pyramid.
Hopefully, you and Oz can work something out or you can assist with real information here.
Not one ounce of the technical crap concerning cryptocurrencies will make a lick of sense to me. 🙂
Why assume there’s ANY OneCoin at all? With no audit-able algorithm and public-viewable blockchain there simply is no proof ANY OneCoin exist other than “Ruja said so”.
Understand that I am not saying Tribis is not real deal, but as definite proof to either way is hard to prove, I am taking this small sentence out to maybe speculate about it:
What does he mean by this downward trends? Does he mean that OneCoin should sometimes be going downwards too to make it look more realistic?
For if this the case, then at least as far as i know, OneCoins value have always been going only up in their system.
c’mon tribis don’t yank our chains here.
this is not a church and hardly the place to cleanse your soul.
your guilt is your personal affair and the best way to absolve yourself, is to share some Coherent Information of your association with onecoin and its management.
Crying over spilt milk is useless, but mopping up can be a useful Action.
you want to Cry or Act?
please delete this sentence;
nice attempt at humor labine, but i hope you know how it all ended for hitler and his team !
I nuked the whole thing, didn’t have anything to do with OneCoin.
My comments on Ken Labine’s latest video:
okay, it appears my comments are now showing 🙂
I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROOF THAT THE BLOCKCHAIN SHOWING IN THE BACK OFFICE IS BOGUS, STEP-BY-STEP! (let’s see how long this comment will be up, Onecoiners. Take note)
look at this: 3.bp.blogspot.com/-UEXH6vKWYFM/VOXrlomgGhI/AAAAAAAADJc/lllk95YQEDg/s1600/oc%2Bblockchain.jpg
You all recognize this screen. So, let’s all follow along now.
1.) Bottom Right TITLE: “Current Block is Mining From”.
Here is you fake “blockchain” as seen in your back office. This is simply a looped counter (banner) VIDEO pasted over a looped VIDEO.
VIDEO SOURCE: shutterstock.com/fi/video/clip-1089709-stock-footage-computer-program.html?src=search/5ZPKdzQrAiS-XDfNB9KsAA:1:90/3p
So, the above looped video with the counter inserted over of it for “blocks mined” that flashes every ten minutes, which you all see, only gives the “appearance” of something technical happening, but of course, it’s all just smoke and mirrors.
BUT WAIT! THERE’S MORE!
2.) TOP RIGHT, COLUMN ONE “Block Height” – nothing wrong here. This is simply the block count since the Genesis block.
3.) COLUMN TWO: AGE – There is little deviation from 10 minute block times. This doesn’t make sense FOR TWO REASONS:
a. There is zero “difficulty” within a closed loop system – REASON: a closed system does not “compete” with others. It is a self-satisfying reward EVERY TIME.
b. If it were not a closed system than there WOULD be competition. As such, while the block times should AVERAGE 10 minutes, it is only an average. You would definitely see 3 minute, as well as 15-20 minute block times occasionally, because computers are literally “guessing” solutions and USUALLY the amount of peta-hashes looking for such solutions would be similar to the amount of coin flips it would take to land on heads 10x in a row.
After about ten minutes, one of the consecutive flips might do it. However, it is unlikely, but possible it could take 20 minutes or one minute.
So, such little deviation is definitely “faked” and I have looked at MANY examples in the back office of block times and have never personally seen more than a minute of difference.
4.) COLUMN THREE: TRANSACTIONS – Just Lol for numerous reasons:
a.) I have never seen more than one transaction posted here. WHAT DOES THAT IMPLY?
Well, as you know, there are an alleged 1.85MM people who have traded tokens for mining. The distribution of those tokens would come from the blockchain (unless they were created in Excel Spreadsheets [which they seem to be]). So, there should be NUMEROUS, MAYBE HUNDREDS of transactions per block!
b.) S-Systems (Onecoin’s fake auditor [similar to your fake exchange, xcoinx, and operated by Onecoin themselves] who has not published an audit for this “transparent” company since January) stated in their joke of an Audit (which has ZERO TECHNICAL DATA (- WHICH IS WHAT AN “AUDIT” IS!), which reads more like a Letter of Reference to oneself, “There are no transactions not included in the Blockchain.”
– well, as I just demonstrated, this is a lie AGAIN, FOR TWO REASONS:
#1 This is a “logical fallacy” because if a transaction occured outside the blockchain, HOW WOULD THEY KNOW!?! ANSWER: THEY WOULDN’T and #2 if it were true, which it obviously is NOT, than transactions from each block solved would be registered in the blockchain as moving into your back office.
Everytime someone gets coins from mining they would be able to see the coin distribution from each block.
5.) COLUMN FOUR: TOTAL SENT – this is only “coins created” and it is called hyper-inflation. Other than that, nothing to point out here
6.) COLUMN FIVE: SIZE (KB) – this is hilarious, also AGAIN, FOR A FEW REASONS! All sizes are shown as 188KB (although recently they show as 189KB).
#1 this indicates that there is only a single transaction as shown in column 3. However, the size of a single bitcoin transaction is about 1-2KB, so this makes no sense.
Furthermore #2 if there were any “difficulty” in the mining process and if computers were batching transactions for coins created and distributed, than every single block would vary in KB greatly.
7.) BOTTOM LEFT: LATEST TRANSACTIONS – The PURPOSE of a “block explorer/ blockchain” is to be able to “FIND” transactions and transactional history. This is nothing “proprietary” that would need to be hidden.
It simply does not exist with Onecon. You CANNOT “click” a transaction and find the history of it. Neither can you view any blocks or transactions over an hour and some change old. THIS, AGAIN, PROVES THAT THIS IS NOT A BLOCKCHAIN. JUST NUMBERS ON A SCREEN TIED TO A “COUNTER” USED TO DECEIVE.
Furthermore, (technical) the alphanumeric hashes shown as “transactions” make no cryptographic sense! They are NOT math based in cryptographic fashion which could link any inputs and outputs together algorithmically. It is a complete farce!
CONCLUSION: SORRY THAT I DIDN’T HAVE A “VIDEO” TO SHOW YOU, BUT BASED ON WHAT I HAVE EXPOSED RIGHT HERE, ANY IDIOT WOULD SEE THIS CRAPOLA FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH! NOTHING.
SHOW THESE STATEMENTS AND IMAGES TO ANYONE VERSED IN CRYPTOGRAPHY AND CRYPTOCURRENCY, AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THEMSELVES, THAT THIS IS A JOKE AND A FRAUD.
THE GIG IS UP! REFUTE ANY OF THESE CLAIMS NOW PLEASE!?!?
Here is finally the first edition of a video walk-through of their fake blockchain along with a looping video to give the appearance of actual mechanics:
dropbox.com/s/4l3fbpedfmn4mf5/ice_video_20160604-034748.webm?dl=0
I wonder if one coin was represented at the recent Richard Branson’s Block Chain Summit blockchainsummit.io
I guess Ruga was too busy counting the money from the London ticket sales and probably concerned she might be asked some tricky questions.
dian [deyan] dimitrov, was the managing partner of semper fortis, bulgaria, and was personally handling the onecoin account. he did an interview with ruja ignatova and this video was widely circulated by onecoin affiliates as ‘proof’ of onecoin’s legitimacy as its blockchain had been ‘audited’ by the respectable firm of semper fortis [IIRC dimitrov even accompanied ruja to the onecoin event in dubai in 2015].
later, semper fortis bulgaria changed its name to ‘sf bulgaria’ and dian dimitrov was removed from the list of top management on its new website. these changes happened around the same time that semper fortis stopped providing its audit services to onecoin.
onecoin announced that they had hired a new auditor for the blockchain ‘S Systems’.
the audits [if any] by S Systems are not available publicly, and the S systems website provides no information about its management, leading observers to believe that it is probably a fake shell company set up to provide legitimacy to onecoin.
according to listings.findthecompany.com/ :
^^hardly the profile of a credible auditor!
further, a document uploaded in late 2015 on onecointrust.com claims:
assuming that ‘dian’ dimitrov and ‘deyan’ dimitrov are the same person, it seems that semper fortis kicked dimitrov out, rebranded itself, and dimitrov continued his [paid] relationship with ignatova and onecoin under the guise of ‘S Systems’.
it follows that any ‘audits’ of the onecoin blockchain by S Systems is highly questionable and hardly credible.
onecointrust.com/guidebooks/GuidebookProspecting.pdf
This article is nothing but crap! I’ve checked the Blockchain myself and it varies 10 – 15 seconds every transaction. So get your facts straight before publishing this BS!
Cool. This article is talking about an artificially consistent solving time of 10 minutes.
Gotta love OneCoin affiliates who don’t understand cryptocurrency basics.
Is this the Micah mentioned in this article?
bitconnect.co/bitcoin-news/90/digital-currency-scam-alert-onecoin-is-still-looking-for-fresh-souls/
Micah Heard was also a major pimp for Flexkom, another ponzi scheme.
Source: henderson-nv.pricefox.com/business/15423224/flexkom-america-inc-henderson-2360-corporate-cir
This guy is doing the audit of the blockchain on one coin:
youtube.com/watch?v=eruRv7u2e7w
I didn’t see him on the team of semper fortis website of bulgaria.