Infinity 2 Global Review: Global casino rev share?
Infinity 2 Global appears to have launched in early 2013 and are based out of the US state of Kentucky.
Heading up Infinity 2 Global (I2G) is President and CEO, Rick Maike.
Rick has been involved in the Network Marketing Industry for the past 25 years.
He has been a successful distributor and has owned and operated two Network Marketing companies that have generated over $100 Million in sales. Both of those companies are still in business today.
As President/CEO of I2G, Rick brings a tremendous amount of both Domestic and International experience in the network marketing and general business arena.
As a former top earner in the field, he has a great perspective on what is needed to be successful and from the corporate side he has a proven track record that is second to none.
The two companies mentioned in Maike’s I2G company bio are Healing America (1997-2010) and Velocity International Marketing (2007-2011), both in which Maike (right) served as CEO and President.
Despite the claim that Healing America is “still in business today”, unless I’m missing something obvious the company appears to be defunct (the domain “healingamerica.com” does not resolve).
As for Velocity International, they also no longer exist. As per Maike’s LinkedIn profile,
we were able to build a very successful company primarily in Asia and merged it into a top 100 MLM company.
That “top 100 MLM company” was bHIP Global, which Maike served as Asia-Pacific President from 2011 up until April 2013.
bHIP Global operate in the health, wellness and personal care) and was launched in 2007. Founded and owned by Terry Lacore, bHIP has had its fair share of controversy since launch.
Presumably upon leaving bHIP Global earlier this year, that’s when Maike set about launching Infinity 2 Global.
Before we get on with the review I think it’s worth noting that in the I2G website domain registration, a “Mary Ann Alford” is listed as the domain owner. Despite my best efforts I was unable to find any further information on Alford and what her connection to or specific role is within I2G.
Read on for a full review of the Infinity 2 Global MLM business opportunity.
The Infinity 2 Global Product Line
Infinity 2 Global state on their website that their product is some sort of “communication platform” tool.
I2G Touch is an evolutionary communication platform that empowers people, brands and businesses to engage with their friends, fans and customers in a fresh and innovative way.
Until now, Internet content has been predominantly passive – requiring users to actively search for messaging.
I2G Touch breaks through barriers and enables everyone to be assertive in their communication and to deliver rich, memorable, high-impact experiences directly to the people that are important to them.
It’s your Social and Business Networking solution. It allows you to have Real Time access to the most important Social and Business sites and attributes On Web, On Desktop and On Mobile from one super-easy-to-use place.
I2G Touch is flexible, robust, and fun! It brings all your favorite online programs into one convenient location direct to your desktop or mobile device. I2G Touch makes your life easy, whether you are connecting with friends and family or business associates around the world.
From the sounds of it I2G Touch is some sort of social network data aggregator app. Infinity 2 Global charge $19.95 a year for access to I2G Touch.
The Infinity 2 Global Compensation Plan
The I2G compensation plan pays affiliates on the recruitment of new affiliates, offers residual commission via a binary compensation structure, a revenue-sharing scheme and global bonus pools.
Commission Qualification
In order to qualify for commissions in I2G, all affiliates must purchase an annual I2G Touch subscription ($19.95) and one of the company’s affiliate packs.
There are four packs to choose from, with each offering affiliates a larger income potential.
- Novice – $100 (60 BV)
- Player – $400 (240 BV)
- High Roller – $600 (360 BV)
- Emperor – $5000 (3000 BV)
In addition to buying their affiliate membership rank, I2G affiliates can alternatively generate Business Volume (BV) via sales of I2G Touch to qualify as follows:
- Novice – 60 BV
- Player – 240 BV
- High Roller – 360 BV
- Emperor – 3000 BV
Note that these are accumulated volume targets over the life of an affiliate’s account.
Recruitment Commissions
Infinity 2 Global affiliates earn a 10% commission whenever they recruit a new affiliate who buys an affiliate membership rank.
This equates to:
- Novice – $10
- Player – $40
- High Roller – $60
- Emperor – $500
Residual Binary Commissions
Residual commissions in I2G are paid out using a binary compensation structure. A binary compensation structure places an affiliate at the top of the structure, with two positions directly under them.
These two positions branch off into another two positions, which branch off each into another two positions and so on and so forth down a theoretical infinite number of levels.
Positions in the binary are filled via sales of the I2G Touch app and/or affiliate recruitment.
Volume in an affiliate’s binary team is tracked by squaring off the volume generated by both sides (as defined by the first two positions in the binary on level 1) against eachother.
When each side of an affiliate’s binary has generated 300 BV in I2G Touch subscription sales, a “cycle” results and an affiliate earns a commission.
How much of a commission each binary cycle pays out depends on an affiliate’s membership rank:
- Novice – $30
- Player – $40
- High Roller – $50
- Emperor – $60
Note that an affiliate must be at the Novice level or higher to qualify for binary commissions, and that binary commissions are capped at $5000 a day for all affiliates.
Matching Bonus
I2G offer a Matching Bonus on the binary commissions of all personally recruited affiliates and up to five levels of recruitment.
Matching Bonus commissions in I2G are tracked using a unilevel compensation structure. A unilevel compensation structure places an affiliate at the top of a unilevel team, with every personally recruited affiliate placed directly under them (level 1).
If any of these level 1 affiliates go on to recruit new affiliates of their own, they are placed on level 2 of the original affiliate’s unilevel team. If any level 2 affiliates recruit affiliates they are placed on level 3 and so on and so forth down five levels of recruitment.
The Matching Bonus is paid out as a percentage of the binary commissions earnt by an affiliate’s downline. How much of a percentage and how many levels is paid out on is determined by an affiliate’s membership rank, how many affiliates they have personally recruited and their monthly generated binary cycles:
- 1 Star Matching Bonus (be ranked Player or higher, 12 monthly binary cycles and recruit at least 2 affiliates (one on either side of the binary)) – earn a 20% match on level 1
- 2 Star Matching Bonus (be ranked High Roller or higher, 25 monthly binary cycles and recruit at least 4 affiliates (two on either side of the binary)) – 20% match on level 1 and a 15% match on level 2
- 3 Star Matching Bonus (be ranked High Roller or higher, 50 monthly binary cycles and recruit at least 6 affiliates (three on either side of the binary)) – 20% match on level 1, a 15% match on level 2 and a 10% match on level 3
- 4 Star Matching Bonus (be ranked High Roller or higher, 75 monthly binary cycles and recruit at least 8 affiliates (four on either side of the binary)) – 20% match on level 1, a 15% match on level 2 and a 10% match on levels 3 and 4
- 5 Star Matching Bonus (be ranked High Roller or higher, 100 monthly binary cycles and recruit at least 10 affiliates (five on either side of the binary)) – 20% match on level 1, a 15% match on level 2 and a 10% match on levels 3 to 5
Leadership Pools
25% of I2G’s monthly “profits” are placed in five separate Leadership Pools, with 5 Star Matching Bonus qualified affiliates able to qualify for a share in the pools, dependent on how many monthly binary cycles they generate:
- Silver – 125 monthly binary cycles
- Gold – 250 monthly binary cycles
- Ruby – 500 monthly binary cycles
- Emerald – 1000 monthly binary cycles
- Diamond – 5000 monthly binary cycles
A one-time cash bonus is also earnt when an affiliate qualifies for a Leadership Pool for the first time:
- Silver – $10,000
- Gold – $25,000
- Ruby – $50,000
- Emerald – $100,000
- Diamond – $500,000
Revenue-Sharing
Infinity 2 Global affiliates who buy in at the Emperor rank qualify for I2G’s “Revenue Share Program”.
Members who enroll with the Emperor Package share in 50% of specified Profits immediately, without sponsoring any new members.
What exactly “specified profits” refers to is not clarified.
Joining Infinity 2 Global
Affiliate membership to Infinity 2 Global appears to be free however in order to self-qualify for increased commissions, affiliates are able to buy an affiliate membership rank:
- Novice – $100
- Player – $400
- High Roller – $600
- Emperor – $5000
Conclusion
Focusing for now on the US market, I have to say that at $19.95 a month the figures in the Infinity 2 Global compensation plan are going to be largely unobtainable for your average affiliate.
Commission qualification wise (assuming I2G Touch BV is less than 19.95 per subscription), the plan only makes sense if you ignore the BV affiliate rank qualification and assume affiliates will only buy into the affiliate rank they want.
This on its own is a clear case of pay to play, with how much an affiliate pumps into the company in determining how much they earn in commissions via certain parts of the compensation plan.
Meanwhile on the retail side of things I’m struggling to see the value in a social network data aggregator for $19.95 a month. I’m by no means an app expert but surely there are already alternatives (free or otherwise) offering this type of service?
Nevermind the fact that, other than increasing commissions earnt I don’t see any differentiation between the company’s four affiliate membership ranks.
Trying to make some sense of the apparent disconnect between Infinity 2 Global’s compensation plan and a $19.95 communication app, it was then that I stumbled across the following line on their website:
We also are offering a luxury experience through our gaming platform for our overseas markets ONLY and an amazing benefits package for our US markets.
A luxury gaming experience? With absolutely no information on this service provided to the public on Infinity 2 Global’s website (even when I switched from their US website to Hong Kong), I had to research offsite to uncover Infinity 2 Global’s shady underbelly offering.
Imagine getting paid everytime someone places a bet or gambles around the world!
Now imagine getting paid everytime someone loses money at the casino!
Named “Infinity 2 Global Casino” and based out of Hong Kong, despite the claim that the experience is for non-US users, US affiliates of Infinity 2 Global are out in force marketing I2G’s casino all over the internet.
Why?
All countries including the U.S. can earn revenue/profit share from our International online gaming/gambling casino.
Turns out that whilst I2G affiliates themselves can’t (legally) participate in the company’s casino, that doesn’t mean they can’t profit from it.
All of a sudden the $19.95 I2G Touch app starts to make sense. It’s nothing more than a front for the masked core of the business, that is to attract big gambling dollars out of Asia.
On their own the combination of Infinity 2 Global’s recruitment commissions and revenue-sharing opens up the strong probability that new affiliates money will just be recycled amongst existing I2G affiliates.
Throw in the addition of global gambling revenue and a US presence?
Yeah, this probably isn’t going to end well…
Thank you for this review. I am getting burned in MLMs including the money it takes to drive traffic.
There is nothing in print for this group. I also visited the site and did not see much as to a disclaimer..and how the “casino” part operates..or even how your investment in these casinos is protected.
I watched the videos. They explain how it works in a very general way without the real details. People are not going to join without some proof of how their investment is being protected or your rate of return.
Sad that any of this is even allowed online without their being specific information and details in print. When I heard that they are charging a monthly fee and need to recruit..That is when my radar went up. If their is money in the casino investment..Why a monthly fee and recruitment??
So your review has saved me. Many MLMs are throwing out distractions and smokescreens. It’s a farce. The bottom line is that people are not going to join things that they don’t understand or see the protection in “PRINT” not word of mouth by any of these marketers!!!
I have been a member of i2g for 8 weeks and its been the best move I have ever made. this is a legit company and its the only MLM that makes sense and has made me a significant income so far.
The customers who use the gaming site drive the sustainability of the volume.. online gaming is a 6 billion dollar a yr industry.
its expected to triple in the next 5 yrs. this is great timing to say the least. I have found that customer service is very good. I get paid weekly for my work and it goes right into my bank account.
this is a very new company and is breaking all MLM records as far as income being earned.. you will find nothing negative about this company as of 11/28/2013.. so if your thinking of joining i would highly recommend this company.. its a no brainer.
New affiliate investment paid out to existing investors? There’s nothing legitimate about that.
There are no customers. That’s not how MLM revenue sharing functionally works.
Please…
Well, except for the whole Ponzi business model thing. Easy to overlook though if you’re only interested in recruiting new investors.
So how many gamblers did you bring in?
From the article, last part of the Conclusion:
I believe the idea is the opposite one = the payments from affiliates are probably the CORE of the business, while the gambling site only plays an insignificant role. It’s a version of the typical “non existent or insignificant revenue source” you will find in most Ponzi schemes.
The gambling license and the gambling software are all bought from the same company. You can simply buy it as a complete business solution, “just plug it into the internet and it will start to make money”. Ideas like that will normally not work as a business, i.e. it won’t attract gamblers.
Which customers? Have you visited the website and tried the games yourself?
It’s not a gambling site, it’s a “collection of online casino games” primarily designed for fun and entertainment. You CAN play for real money there, but that doesn’t mean people are doing it. It’s GAMING rather than GAMBLING.
Infinity 2 Global hasn’t even bothered to get its own license or buy its own software. It operates as a “marketing partner” for a third party company.
M Norway,
I really don’t see your complaint with I2G not have it’s own gaming license. Leasing or renting licenses isn’t anything new in business. It’s wise to not spend money when you don’t have to.
As in other industries, every smaller cellphone company pays licensing fees to the bigger companies to rent their fiber optic lines and equipment, like T-Mobile or AT&T. Companies like Pocket, Cricket, Boost don’t own their own fiber optic lines. Many people today pay electric companies that are really re-sellers of electric companies that generate electricity.
In addition, I2G is only a few months old and they cannot legally sell online gaming to people in the USA. All USA IP addresses are purposefully blocked. So, as far as a lack of customers right now, it’s the way it is because it’s going to take time. That’s why they are actively going outside the US and promoting to non-us markets. It takes time.
Strategically, building a base of affiliates is smart because once the US market does open up, then every affiliate will be given a link to specifically drive in US customers. This is the same strategy AOL used years ago by giving away free internet service. You build the base.
It wasn’t a complaint, it was about identifyinbg the facts. It’s classified as GAMING rather than GAMBLING. Post #6 is simply an extension of post #5. They were both partly a response to post #2 about how profitable the gambling website was.
The fact that people CAN spend money on a website doesn’t mean most people will do it, or that the website is very profitable. I tested several of the different games, and they will clearly not attract any gamblers. They were classified as “responsible gambling”.
When I analyse a company, I will try to identify primary and secondary functions. The gaming website is a tertiary function, i.e. it can be replaced without harming the business as a whole. It’s an insignificant part of the business.
The app seems to be rather insignificant too. The primary part of the business seems to be about the recruitment scheme.
Same people who are putting money and recruiting people in WCM777 are doing this one and the Better Living scam as well…has Pandora’s box been opened and now there’s an endless stream of these from the Orient?
Interesting,
So in evaluating this opportunity, it is primarily a social media site at the heart as I see it, and the online casino is where potential commissions are generated for each gambler who makes a deposit, so what is wrong with this.
I was making great affiliate money back in 90’s promoting offshore gambling sites. So as I see it, this is similar, and with New Jersey and Las Vegas online casinos approved, who knows when market opens up again in U.S. Feds shut down online gambling when they couldn’t extract their fair share, so they leaned on banks to stop taking credit card deposits which killed industry for anyone in U.S.
Gambling continues to grow worldwide even in a recession, so looking at it from that perspective, if online gambling comes back online in U.S., then I see the potential.
For now, recruiting into the social media aspect is small part of total potential, so who knows, caught my interest since I did real well promoting online gambling sites, so why not again?
Been waiting almost two decades for this to return to U.S., like gambling or not, it will only continue to grow as econony continues to collapse as I see it.
@FREE100KSecret
Primarily it involves affiliates dumping money into the scheme on the promise of a >100% ROI.
The US relegalizing online gambling is a separate issue altogether.
OZ Are you getting high? Where are you reading in the comp plan that I2G promises a 100% ROI. This isn’t an investment and they don’t advertise it as being an investment. Are you trying to state facts or lay out a conspiracy?
If you want people to take your opinions seriously then stick to the facts and quit trying to make another reality for the dim witted to live in. Statements like this remind me that you have no credibility whatsoever.
Kenneth, nobody is depositing up to $5000 with i2g without the expectation of of a >100% ROI.
“Revenue-share” is synonymous with shuffling newly invested affiliate money amongst investing affiliates. What the company does or doesn’t state is entirely irrevant, it’s what they do that matters.
You invest your $x, you get paid >100% from newly invested affiliate money, with the company pretending it makes infinity money from an online casino front. Cut the crap.
I2G is not gambling. It’s about cheap Flash-games where you can play against the computer. You will probably find hundreds of similar sites on the internet.
You can try to visit the website and see for yourself. You can try all the games for free, or you can play for money. It will probably not make any difference, i.e. you will not get the “gambling feeling” or the feeling of excitement.
Visit the site and look at the realities (try a few games), rather than looking at your own distorted ideas? It will show you the difference between Flash games and an online casino, i.e. you will see what Flash games are.
I would love to see you recommend this “offshore gambling site” on your website. 🙂
Interesting concept, but it looks like anyone could offer it just by “partnering up” with an existing online gaming company.
What bothers me is the lack of info as to the historical success of the management team. It is kind of like “Profitable Sunrise” was last year: You knew you would make $, but how long would it last before either imploding or being shut down by regulators and/or GREED.
Most people “want to believe”, but if it looks too good to be true, that is probably correct.
@Elkhunter
It would be wise of you to actually read the company’s website. If you had read anything you would have seen every manager’s bio and work history.
You mean this?
Read about Ponzi schemes and tell me how this is different?
It probably is a Ponzi, but that part hasn’t been clearly identified in the review.
* The “Emperor’s Pool” profit sharing can potentially be a Ponzi component (passive investment type).
* The “Leadership Pools” profit sharing is primarily based on recruitment.
* All the other rewards and bonuses seems to be primarily based on recruitment.
I can clearly identify a pyramid scheme here, but I can only find some “indicators” for a Ponzi scheme. Some typical characteristics for Ponzi scheme seems to be missing, e.g. some reinvestment options.
I believe it may be a pyramid scheme PRETENDING to have a Ponzi component to attract passive investors. A real Ponzi scheme will normally have much more focus on the passive investment component, but that part was rather vague and hardly mentioned in a video I watched.
Is there a real purpose to trying to identify how much of this is a pyramid scheme vs. how much of it is a Ponzi scheme, when it’s clearly a chimera hybrid that has elements of both?
An older man I know paid 5000 dollars to these guys, that’s how I found out about it. Is there anything I can do to help him?
It has a real purpose for people if they’re about to decide “join or not?” as passive investors. The minimum investment for that is $5,000. If the program primarily is designed to reward recruitment at the expense of passive investors, they should stay away from it. It will be extremely difficult for them to make any money in a program like that.
“A pyramid scheme PRETENDING to have a Ponzi component” will be designed to attract some “low hanging fruits” who ASSUME it’s another type of program. It can use the same sales arguments as a real Ponzi scheme, “everyone will make money, they don’t need to recruit anyone”, but people will actually be cheated.
I2G has been extremely vague about the so called Ponzi component, but they have tried to make it LOOK LIKE other profit sharing programs, e.g. “50% of the revenue”.
They can use a small fraction of the $5,000 “pay to play” to simulate some revenue from the “collection of casino games”, paying back some small amount just to give people the feeling that they’re actually earning SOME money, “the real income from the casino just hasn’t kicked in yet, it will eventually get much better once we have opened the US market”.
“It will eventually get better” has been reflected in several comments here.
I2G looks like a real casino, it looks like a real Ponzi scheme. It’s neither. It’s selling the idea that the income from the casino EVENTUALLY will get better, to keep the investors happy while paying out some small amounts.
Passive investor Ponzi players should definitely stay away from this one, it will only pay back small fractions of their investments.
1. Ask him to try a few of the casino games for free, e.g. poker or slot machines, or whatever he like to try.
2. Ask him if that gives him the feeling of real gambling, or if it gives him the feeling of entertainment that eventually will become rather boring.
He will need to SEE and FEEL the “casino” as it really is by trying it himself for free. It’s about boring GAMES, not about exciting GAMBLING.
Try the games yourself for free, so you know what you’re talking about? That’s actually more important than any of my suggestions.
* Try “Texas Hold’em Poker”? You will get extremely bored after 20 minutes.
* Try a few of the slot machine games? They can entertain you for more than 20 minutes if you find the right ones.
I tried several of the games for free for 1-2 hours, just to get the feeling.
* Entertaining? Yes, but only for a short period of time.
* Exciting? Definitively NOT.
* Gambling feeling? No.
3. He can of course try to recruit a few more investors among his friends, if he prefer to replace his friends with money. He can’t keep both.
4. Call the casino for what it really is, “an online collection of games”. There’s no risk of being addicted, there’s no risk of attracting gamblers.
Help him see it as it really is, both the games and the opportunity. Start with the games, try the games for free.
I’m not 100% sure I have interpreted the opportunity correctly, but it has been reflected in several of the comments here. It’s also reflected in marketing videos.
Then you can give him the current part of this dialogue, e.g. post #19 and #22.
He must first be willing to help himself, e.g. help himself to face the realities. If he isn’t, he won’t accept any help from you either.
It’s as simple as that. “People must first WANT IT before you can offer it”. And before you can offer it, you must normally know what he knows about it, plus the part you know about it.
I hadn’t analysed “Ponzi or pyramid?” earlier in this thread, I had simply only looked at the casino. So I had to start from YOUR viewpoint when I started to analyse it = I had to accept the Ponzi idea before I tried to check the other parts.
I had to accept the Ponzi idea first to cover your viewpoint, then I could look into it from another perspective to see what I could see (without being affected by other ideas), then I could apply the ideas I initially had.
You must accept HIS investment idea before he can accept your ideas. Some people are perfectly happy with the ideas they already have, and they will resist all types of changes. You simply can’t affect them without being blamed for being a “dream stealer” or “you simply haven’t understood what it is about”.
A couple of the slot machine games were actually entertaining for a period of time. People can potentially be tempted to TRY some games for money. Roulette was interesting for a short period of time. Poker and Baccarat were extremely boring.
If people want to sell the IDEA of an online casino to other investors, they should clearly avoid trying the games. If people want to sell the idea of an online casino to gamblers, they will clearly need to try nearly all of the games themselves.
A gambler will most likely throw stones at you if you recommend Infinity 2 Global casino to him.
Today I got EXTREMELY bored after only 5 minutes.
I2Gcasino is a collection of Flash games (small pop up games) that will be replaced frequently to prevent people from getting too bored. People should simply TRY a few of them for free to get rid of that “Online Casino” idea.
People can try to google LGA/CL1/225/2005 to look at some similar sites. That will also help them to get rid of that “Online Casino” idea.
If people have been tricked to put their hard earned money into this, they have all the different options from
* continue and recruit more investors, to
* try to get it shut down
It’s clearly a pyramid scheme, so it shouldn’t be too difficult to get it shut down on a state level. It also sells unregistered securities in the profit sharing, but it’s not a Ponzi scheme that I can see.
Members who purchase the Emperor Package at enrollment will have the rank of Emperor. This package includes an Entry Order Matching Bonus on your first 5 generations for 1 year from entry date. Monthly activation is required after the first year.
Members who start out with an Emperor Package also share in 50% of specified profits immediately, without a sponsorship requirement needed.
When someone joined with Emperor Package…If they fully understand how much 50% of profits pool share a month…NO ONE WILL JOIN…THE TOTAL EARNING SHARE IS FROM $15 TO $30 PER MONTH…AS OF 12-2013 SHARED is $22…
Thanks for that information.
That’s a very small fraction of their OWN payment being paid back to them. That fraction is much lower than I expected. It’s clearly NOT a passive investment scheme.
I expected UP TO 20% of the $5,000 payment to be used on that part, but they’re actually using less than 10% to pay passive investors. A Ponzi scheme will require more than 100%, typically much more.
It’s not about “unregistered securities” either. That tiny profit sharing is more similar to a personal discount than to ROI, it only simulates to be ROI.
Obviously Everyone is aware of the B/S that Faraday, her husband Dave Manning, Susan and Richard ANZALONE are putting out telling everyone. This is all the same tactics that date back to her Bidxcel days, which failed.
And guess what they were all involved in the same opportunity Even Rick Maike was a top earner in Bidexcel and Faraday tells everyone that!!!!! crashed out losing people a lot of money.
Guys do not fall for their honey trap, the casino is not worth anything at all, it is not even working properly. At the moment their are more demands for money back than they can handle!!! FACT!!!!
They are selling a casino idea that does not work (hahaha) no money this is a Ponzi simple as that and guess what the next thing is:
Yes you guessed just trying to keep you guys in and those suckers that believe it well more fool you as the checks are fake, the casino is fake, its a scam…….we should call her Faraday Madoff scammer of the year!
hello Mr. i2g insider. What is your name and address please. My attorney would like to send you a letter.
And for the writer of this article- no one said Healing America was still operating under that name. Healing America was sold to another mlm and works under that companies name now. Velocity was sold in 2010 to Terry lacor with Bhip Global.
I2g is not a Ponzi. it’s a 65% payout binary- more like a traditional mlm program. There is a very small part of the back end of the program limited to 5000 distributors who get to share in the real online live casino profits- not based at all on new distributor money. not one dime- that is actually based on a real business with real customers and real revenues. The pay is very small as the casino is international and there are a relatively small number of international distributors. Most of the distributors are us based and we do not play in the casino.
But This is not a passive income program. You will have to work hard like any other network marketing program and incomes are earned from company sales of products just like any other network marketing program.
i2g will be a total online entertainment giant. The music studio product will be released the end of february and will create millions of real customer. and i predict millions of downloads.
We have many other online entertainment products coming right behind the music product.
So we will have more customers and real products than you can imagine by summer time.
Also- unlike other programs out there- if people are not happy with i2g- Rick just gives them their money back. So you will never have someone saying they lost their money.
But the higher end package is no different that other companies that have a more top tier product. They will have a master license and much great technology access to the i2g touch features and future online entertainment products also.
The i2g Touch is a total unique, hot, sexy different social media platform with features that you will find with no other technology product and even more being added this month.
So way too much is being made of the rev share. That is only a very small part to the plan- not where the money is being made so far. None of the distributor money goes toward the casino profits- and guess what- if the casino makes no money- we make no share of the casino. because it’s based on a real business and real outside revenues.
I hope that helps.
And i2g insider- please give us your name and address. My checks were presented at company events in front of hundreds of people and issued by the ceo. So i would say- saying my checks are fake- and calling me a scammer is would be considered slander. just send your name and address please
My team knows I work 24/7 to help them build the business. Not everyone comes in at 5k- we have a $100, $400, and $600 package too- and if someone’s not happy- they are free to get their money back. So Calling me Faraday Madoff is almost comical.
Get a life- and give me that name and address please.
Thank you
also Mr writer- we do not have a $19.95 a month subscription. the monthly subscriptions are $25, $50, and $75 a month- similar to other programs
Be nice if this information was included on the i2g website, rather then trying to pass off failed business ventures with merit.
I just checked and the i2g management page still says “coming soon”. What a joke.
Yes, like. Due to it’s business model however, regardless of what percentage is paid out i2g is as obvious a Ponzi scheme as they come.
You mean a share in money dumped by affiliates after them. Spare us the hypotheticals.
Of course not. You invested your money and now you sit back and wait for your ROI.
Yeah… cuz investing funds and recruiting new investors is hard work. Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
A Ponzi scheme. It cannot be anything else due to it’s affiliate-funded business model.
No matter how many times I hear this song from Ponzi pimps the tune never gets old.
Will be schmill be. You can’t justify a Ponzi scheme on future plans.
Well, except for the whole affiliate-funded ROI part. Sure.
Yet it’s the core of the business model and the only reason affiliate investors have dumped funds into the scheme. I’d say not enough has been made of the rev share Ponzi scheme within i2g.
Only in confirming what is already known, that i2g is an affiliate-funded Ponzi scheme that pays out investors based on how much they invest and how many new investors they bring in.
The i2g compensation plan shows a “business package” monthly subscription of $19.95, regardless of how much is initially invested.
If this has changed then i2g have failed to update their compensation plan material.
Please have your “attorney” explain to you why percentage of payout is NOT what determines whether it’s a Ponzi or MLM.
That is, if you really have one. I understand there’s some junior attorneys who will send nasty letters cheap, but are not so good as consultants.
It’s probably a FAKE Ponzi scheme, not a real one.
The profit sharing part hasn’t been clearly identified in the review, but we have several indicators for that it only is paying out peanuts.
* post #27 identified the profit sharing to be $15-$30 per month, with $22 in December 2013. That’s nearly 14 years to get your principal investment back.
It will fail the Howey test:
1. an investment of money due to
2. an expectation of profits arising from
3. a common enterprise
4. which depends solely on the efforts of a promoter or third party
The Howey test will require that the investment is being motivated by profit which arises primarily from a passive investment. Getting your money back in 14 years isn’t close to what most people will consider to be “profit”.
Profit from recruitment will not qualify as “passive investment”.
I2G will meet the criteria for a recruitment scheme, but it will probably fail to meet the criteria for a Ponzi scheme.
The $19.95 is for anual membership of I2G2 Touch aps…the monthly subscriptions are $25, $50, and $75 a month-
Some people can’t recruit to earn eough to pay for montly subscriptions! Most people being suck in by trust and $$$ sign on the check!
If they are indeed charging $25-$75 a month then it’s even more of an affiliate-funded recruitment scheme then it would be at $19.95.
I went back and had a look at the comp plan (which I don’t recall being available when I initially wrote the review):
Emperor is $200, the highest monthly fee. Total pay to play.
What do you get for the membership fees?
Nothing!!! We have to paid them monthly Affiliate membership to stay active as I2G member weather you earn fast bonus from recruit or not!
This is only one time earning…Each cycle you have to have to earn 300BV with new a member or you make nothing for that month..
Sounds even worse then when I reviewed what little information was out there.
Other then those with big lists of suckers, who on Earth is investing in i2g?
Ok people this is the deal. Lots of crap flying around none if which is the reason i2g will fail. Ponzi, pyramid, MLM, who knows for sure, the true intention of the founders of i2g is well clouded…..
The reason i2g will fail is the mlm leadership and the way they have set up the promoting of the opportunity. They have positioned themselves at the top, they do numerous hangouts, training, ect. All hype to promote themselves.
They encourage everyone to use their immage and message to promote the product. Therefore the leadership teams thru blatant self promotion will make, for the most part most the money while their downlines struggle to even sign 1 New affiliate. After all who would want to sign under some failing marketer when they can follow the million dollar earning leader to the nonexistant pot of gold.
The other thing… Ya’ll are flinging a bunch of BS. Your not even getting your facts right the 19.95 for the i2g touch software is a yearly fee not monthly. There other discrepancies in your comments but I’m not here to point out how stupid you sound. I’m here to shed some light on the real reason i2g isn’t a good idea and why.
Uh, i2g’s business model isn’t a secret. The intention of the owners is neither here nor there. It’s an affiliate-funded Ponzi scheme.
Have a think about why that’s a problem.
…it’s because a lack of new affiliate-investors causes the scheme to go bust. Same as any other Ponzi.
From memory i2g weren’t officially sharing their comp plan when I wrote the review. That sometimes happens when company owners try to keep things hush-hush while they preload plans with their top promoters. I put together what was available at the time, which wasn’t much. There certainly wasn’t a comp plan PDF on the i2g website back then.
Oz, the discrepancies I talked about were not directed at you or the artical but the comments. As I not so clearly stated I don’t care what kind o scheme it is. There are plenty of affiliates signing up they just sign under the leaders not the struggling downline that are, not understood by them, promoting the leaders, not themselves.
Here’s the math in simple terms as seen by lets say an ad executive. 3000 affiliates promoting to 500 FB groups each/24 hours. The affiliate gets 500 looks. Those affiliates all use the leadership image, video, training, quotes, ect. As promotion tools. The leaders are getting 1.5 million secondary looks.
Now in the ad game where do you think the traffic will go? It’s simple advertising 101, exposure gets the sales.
Even if the company/scheme is lagit most will never make much money because of the advertising scheme.
Well, with all due respect, what on Earth are you doing here then?
You came here to whinge about uplines getting their downlines to market for them? Come on now.
Affiliates not getting recruited ruining the business is a symptom. The problem is the neccessity of said recruitment (and depositing of funds by recruited affiliates). That’s the actual problem, which in turn betrays the Ponzi nature of the scheme.
Come on OZ- you don’t give anywhere near a fair review. Have you even looked at our product the i2g touch? I’ll bet you have not. It has a product valuation of 200 million dollars. It took 8 years and 20 million dollars to develop.
The product has unlimited bandwidth- can store unlimited movies, videos, images files, voip all over the world, live broadcasts to thousands, assertive notification technology where you can pop out on other people lap tops or mobile devices, a social network- plus integrates all the other social networks into one. a built in pinterest where you save streams or can communicate directly with folks only interested in your particular favorite streams. And more features being released this month.
So that is our product and the monthly fees give you access to the product features. The basic- gets you basic access- and the higher packages gives you greater access to more features and greater bandwidth.
And Oz- i think if you tried to give a more unbiased review- it would go along way.
Like the blanket statement- calling rick’s former companies failed ventures? Do you have anything to even back that? No- you make statements based on your slant and bias. Rick’s companies both did sales of 100 million dollars. they are far from failed ventures. How can you make a blanket statement like that? Because he sold them to other mlm owners? The other owners wanted to buy them- because they were successful companies- not failed companies.
But it seems your intention is only to slant things to your overall viewpoint- even though you don’t know anything about the i2g touch product- or about Rick’s background.
About the i2g touch…No one…. and I mean NO ONE, ever even uses the i2g touch including the leaders and owners. The i2g touch is a joke. No one would ever intentionally pay for that software.
“FAKE” was about if the profit sharing is that low, $15-$30 per month. I won’t be surprised if they change that and makes it become a real Ponzi scheme. The component is already in place, but it doesn’t reflect the right ideas.
… and I predict something similar to the “casino”, an idea primarily designed to LOOK LIKE a profitable business idea, an idea investors can believe in but where the customers will prefer something else.
The “core idea” in business is to REFLECT something. It’s only to find out what that “something” is, and find a way to make a profit on it.
When I tried some of the casino Flash games for free, they simply didn’t reflect the right “casino feeling”. It wouldn’t have helped if I had added money to it. It didn’t reflect any “gamer feeling” either, that feeling could be compared to Windows 3.1 games.
The profit sharing in I2G have probably failed to reflect the right “investor feeling” for the passive investors.
“Reflect something” is a solution to the problem. A real business will need to DELIVER what people want. A fraud can deliver enough to keep people happy “for as long as it takes”.
The AVERAGE member / recruiter will manage to recruit exactly ONE other person, in any type of matrix or downline.
* If I recruit 5, and they recruit 25, and they recruit 125, the 156 of us will have recruited 155 other people.
* If I recruit 2, and they recruit 10, and they recruit 40, the 53 of us will have recruited 52 other people.
I checked some of the RESULTS for Empower Network members, some home made videos. Most of them would have managed better if they had avoided the leaders they had joined. But I didn’t look at the same factors as they did.
Some of the leaders will MAKE most of the followers fail, e.g. for the same reasons and by the same methods you mentioned. They can make it become more difficult for the followers rather than more easy.
SOME people could potentially have managed better if they clearly had separated themselves from the “style” reflected in a downline. At least that was my impression when I looked at some of the results of the EN training (I wasn’t very impressed).
MLM MARKETING PRACTICES – POSTING CHECKS ON SOCIAL MEDIA
I understand Dave and Faraday are posting their checks on social media pages. Why?
Can anyone shed a little light on the legalities of this method of marketing. I have heard some say that the posting of checks is “blatant enticement.”
Where can I find their “high, low and average incomes” document?
Why is it most MLM’ers tend to be naive (being kind here) and limited in their ability to learn from past failures? Most of them go from “deal to deal” each time totally convinced THIS ONE is different. Are they just naive or simply lying (or both) in order to convince others to join, thus profiting from friends/past downlines ONE MORE TIME?
The real problem is actually simple: The MLM Model is Broken
A word to the wise and/or naive:
Be careful what you post (checks, money claims, we’re all going to get rich, just sponsor 5 who get 5, etc) on public boards, forums and social media pages because it becomes a permanent record and can be used later when/if Mr. Clawback comes knocking at your door.
Find a program that is “customer based” and brings “value to the end user” not just the PROMOTER.
Note: I am not bashing people who are trying to provide for their families by following their entrepreneurial-spirit. But if the program you are pitching today is mainly all about sponsoring, recruiting, just get 2, etc you will be looking for your “next deal” tomorrow.
It has been more and more recruitment based in the last 4 years, and probably longer than that. Most companies will reward recruitment more than they will reward product sales to external customers, so you can’t expect it to change either.
Product based MLM will need to restrict recruitment to work properly. You can try to tell that to some of the MLM leaders? They will probably throw stones at you.
Posting a check image or other “income proof” (aka “check flashing”) is ILLEGAL and constitutes “unfair or deceptive income claims” if it is not followed with a proper disclaimer that states the AVERAGE income.
This is per Kevin “MLM Attorney” Thompson:
http://thompsonburton.com/mlmattorney/2013/05/22/ftcs-disclosure-guidelines-for-online-marketing-how-to-get-it-right-part-1/
@faraday
It has nothing to do with the business model, and thus is irrelevant.
You cold substitute i2g touch with bags of broken eggshells, empty milk cartons or “kick in the nuts” vouchers – the business model still focuses on affiliates signing up and investing $x on the expectation of a >$x ROI, funded with new affiliate money.
And recruitment commission and a passive ROI, which is a problem.
Where are they today?
Faraday,
I am so happy when you wrote,
I have been trying to get my money back. I put in $15,000. I was part of the inital 5000 investors. I am only getting very minimal return per month.
I have sent out support tickets but they kept telling me it’s under review. Please help. My e-mail is (Ozedit: email removed). It’s been nearly a month now.
Thanks,
If anyone wants to be successful in a direct sales company the answer is pretty simple. Watch what Faraday H. and people like her do, then, just do the opposite.
They have all been in 8 different deals over the last 2-3 years. NONE of them have ever built an ongoing income. EVER!
Please take your residual income advice from people who actually HAVE it.
Oz,
Your missing my point. The scheme, be it ponzi, pyramid, MLM, or what other spin ya’ll put on it. That in its self will probably cause i2g to fail one way of another. But that is not what is keeping the downline from converting leads. It’s the marketing model prescribed by the top of the tree leaders. NOTE, I said this time and before marketing model NOT business model. There is a huge difference. You are talking about business I am talking about marketing.
I think you might have taken a wrong turn at the “marketing blogs” turnoff.
Marketing strategies will only work for a short period of time if they’re not backed up with realities. Then they will fail miserably.
Look at Rippln? It didn’t fail because of poor marketing strategy, but because the company itself failed to deliver the expected results (to the right time, in the right quantity and quality, at the right price, etc.).
I have worked in sales for several years. I will clearly fail if I don’t have the right product to offer, but I will potentially manage to mislead people for a short period of time until I will fail miserably.
I2G’s profit sharing worked for a short period of time. It managed to attract investors. They could have recommended it to others and have become recruiters themselves, based on their own positive experiences (what they personally earn from it). But they won’t recommend it to others when they don’t have that type of experience.
The casino idea worked until I tried it myself. I could clearly believe that online casinos can be profitable. I didn’t believe in the gaming idea either, and I don’t believe in the “millions of downloads”.
Step #1 should be to identify the problem correctly. Not the way you LIKE to see it yourself and how your own experience have told you to interpret it, but as it really is.
The solution should be to DELIVER what people expected it to deliver. An ILLUSION could have worked too, e.g. people do really believe in payouts to the back office if it looks like real money, and they do really believe they see their money grow in a VIP Point balance.
(Ozedit: Please don’t copy and paste an entire compensation plan here, if you wish to discuss a particular section of it, paste that with your relevant commentary)
The “Casino” idea worked for a short period of time to attract investors, combined with the revenue sharing idea. It attracted “early in” investors until it stopped working. I don’t believe the “millions of downloads” idea will make much difference.
It worked as long as people believed in those ideas, as long as it had a reflection of their own ideas, e.g. about how profitable online casinos could be, and expectations about how much profit it would generate for founding members. But it didn’t reflect those ideas in reality.
Rippln failed because of exactly the same reason, it didn’t reflect people’s ideas for more than a short period of time.
No marketing strategy or “Vision Casting” will manage to fix that problem. It’s not the marketing that has failed here, it’s the business idea itself. The “casino” isn’t very profitable, and it doesn’t reflect being it either.
Zeek’s solution when the penny auction idea failed to become profitable was to PRETEND it was profitable anyway, paying out fake profit so it falsely reflected the ideas people wanted to believe in. That method worked until it turned into a nightmare.
If you’re able to point out WHERE and WHY a business idea have worked and failed, from a neutral and realistic point of view, you may potentially be able to correct it. Or you may potentially be able to avoid throwing in more money on something that can’t work.
Marketing aimed towards attracting more investors will probably fail. “Millions of downloads” will only buy some time until people have analysed that idea.
Marketing aimed towards attracting gamblers or gamers will most likely fail, unless you’re able to identify the right idea for the right market, i.e. change the current collection of games so it really meets some “wants and needs” in a market. But none of the other collections I looked at seemed to be very profitable.
“Early in” failed for passive investors, it was simply not the right type of idea here. The program is primarily designed for recruiters.
That experience can be used to avoid similar mistakes in the future. If you can point out the flaw, you may be able to correct the idea or improve it.
“Early in” worked partly for recruiters, for a short period of time. The program was heavily focused on rewarding recruitment, at the expense of passive investors. Ideas like that will actually make the programs become short lived and less attractive.
JubiRev failed partly because of ideas like that, and partly because of other flaws. Programs will need to be correctly “balanced” to work.
Programs like Zeek Rewards and TelexFree became profitable for recruiters because they DIDN’T focus on recruitment rewards. Both tried to REDUCE the feeling of pyramid scheme, and rather make it look like “profitable work” or “profitable investment”. Both tried to reduce the feeling of “scam” and “fraud”, and make it feel like real business.
Analysing it for “where it worked and failed” is actually necessary in business.
Infinity 2 Global has the following components:
A: “Online Casino”, “Online Music Store”, etc.
B: Passive investors
C: Recruitment of investors
C worked when B believed in A, but failed when A failed to meet the expectations and started to check why it failed.
A major problem here is that A primarily is designed to LOOK believable, it isn’t designed to work in reality. It’s designed to attract initial investments from B, but it’s not designed to give anything in return. Nearly ALL the rewards have been directed towards C rather than B.
Most recruitment driven programs will have similar problems. The idea is to deliver “something else” in return for the money, and reduce the investment feeling.
Empower Network used the idea of blog, SEO, Inner Circle, marketing training, program your mind to become successful, unlock income streams, 8 core principles and other selfdev ideas as “something else”, attracting “selfdev consumers” AND income opportunity seekers.
I haven’t looked at the other components in I2G, e.g. whether they will work as “something else” or if they will be profitable. But I2G is clearly “unbalanced” in type of rewards and how the rewards are being distributed. And the other components sounds like “reserve plans” based on exactly the same idea as the casino.
If your intention is to only deliver peanuts to passive investors, you shouldn’t try to attract them either.
PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG…
@Faraday
The $19.95 is for annual membership of I2G2 Touch app…
The monthly subscriptions are Novice $50, Player $60, Highroller $75 and Emperor will be $200 after first year for all member to use I2G2 Touch Per Faraday????
WHY ARE I2G2 TOUCH COST SO MUCH TO USE MONTHLY???
SO WHEN WILL GAMING INCOME COME IN?
OR EVRYONE RELY ON EARNING FROM THE NEXT AFFILIATE?
AS 12-2013 EMPEROR 50% PROFIT SHARED IS ABOUT $22. I2G INFINITY GLOBAL IS BASE OUT OF ASIA FROM THE BEGINING!
I find it hilarious that people who fail at a completely legal form of making income would spend more than one comment on a site like this. If you’ve been a part of I2G or any MLM company that you didn’t succeed in, and didn’t get what you came for, then great: get out.
No one wants you to be a part of their team anyways because all you’re going to do is complain from the couch, on your fat @$$ with a pot belly and a bag of chips on your lap, about why you aren’t making money when those who are making big time cash are out there HUSTLING, just as they would any real job that will pay you well. This just happens to be able to pay you more than any real job would.
The point of I2G, and any MLM really, is to make money. It doesn’t matter who makes the most at the end of the day because the incomes being made are feeding families, and paying for well deserved vacations. We aren’t sneaking drugs. There are no narcotics or illegal immigrants hiding under our skirts. You aren’t going to get the vacation you think you deserve with I2G if you can’t take the heat and DO THE WORK.
Whatever charges I2G asks for IS your commitment: to yourself. Your own faith in what you can make in the company will cover all your expenses, as it would building your own storefront or physical business. At the end of the day, I guarantee you even a small food truck will cost you MUCH more than $5,000 to start up.
I would know; I not only tried multiple MLM’s myself, but also tried the food truck thing and I could only imagine trying to take a vacation while operating a restaurant on wheels. Even if that was possible, I’d have to run my truck for at least a few years before I could take a vacation. No way am I waiting that long…!
Shuffling from MLM to MLM is simply trying to find your niche. If you can’t back what you sell, then you aren’t going to get excited. And if you aren’t excited, your team isn’t excited. That is, if you even have one. So do your homework on what you SHOULD be doing to be successful, not who is doing what right or wrong.
At the end of the day, even Rick Maike is human. Any logical person who has as much experience as Rick would only bring the top contenders into a business that he believes in, people he knows is going to blast this thing out of the water.
And boy, I’m sure glad he didn’t bring any of you silly nay-sayers.
Maybe instead of asking why this company isn’t working for you, you should be asking what YOU are doing wrong because it clearly isn’t what Faraday is doing. Even if she was in previous MLM companies and it didn’t work out, WHY DOES IT MATTER?! If you don’t like the service of one bank, you’re going to switch to another. IT IS REALLY THAT SIMPLE.
Also, for those of you pointing at the sales guys: sure, they’re great at this sort of thing. God KNOWS I’m definitely not one. I just happen to be excited about my future, and I’m not about to give up on something that could give my family the right retirement plan, and have a LOT left over for the rest of us.
There is money in this industry. If it’s not for you, then go back to your 9-5. Retire on an $800.00 a month pension. Go home to your wife or husband and listen to them while they complain about why the bills haven’t been paid, why you never give money to your children. See if I give a flying sh!t. I on the other hand, would like to eliminate the stress of having to save money and just, enjoy my life and leave my legacy.
Now if you will excuse me, I have a few calls to make. This post just motivated me to get back on my GRIND. KEEP THE CRITICISM COMING.
…dress it up any way you like chief, it’s an investment you make on the expectation of a >100% return – paid out of other people’s “commitments”.
And there it is.
Just another Ponzi pimp trying to convince the world investment theft is legit. Anyone who disagrees is simply a “naysayer”, facts be damned.
Recruitment isn’t a legal way to make an income? It CAN be a legal way, but it can also be illegal.
Recruiting sales people into a network marketing company should normally be legal, if the primary function of the company is to distribute goods or services. If the primary function is to redistribute money among participants then it will clearly be illegal in most cases.
I find it hilarious that you commented here, and thus according to you, i2G is NOT legal, since if it’s legal, you wouldn’t be here.
Or you’re just a very confused individual. In either case, why should be believe you?
I2G clearly has some problems, e.g. lack of momentum. I’m pretty sure most people in your downline are rather dissatisfied with the opportunity.
You believe the problem is about “lack of commitment”, “lack of faith in the company”, and that people must be doing something wrong since they don’t make money?
I2G is actually a recruitment driven opportunity. Those who believed it was a passive investment opportunity have actually misinterpreted it. Even we focused on the casino and the profit sharing, it was first when I analysed the details I realized how poorly the profit sharing paid.
From your viewpoint, it isn’t important WHO makes or lose money, because the money won will be used to feed families and be spent on well deserved vacations?
Most of your post sounded like you were trying to motivate yourself? Most people would probably have recommended a very different strategy.
DISSATISFIED INVESTORS
I believe one strategy for dissatisfied investors will be to initiate a “consumer dispute” = send a written complaint to the company and ask for a full refund, including membership fees. “Cancel the whole deal”.
Handle it like a consumer dispute. The consumer will need to INITIATE the dispute by sending a written complaint to the company, and will need to wait for a reply to the complaint.
Anon’s post #62 is a potential “ticking bomb” in many different ways. It will clearly not attract any potential passive investors, and it will potentially make some of the existing investors want to leave the program and try to get a refund.
I have identified the “online casino” to be a collection of casino related Flash games. They are not very profitable, neither as gambling sites nor as gaming sites.
The idea could be used for a short period of time to attract investments from “Founding Members”, but the idea failed as soon as people could see the payouts generated from the profit sharing = it’s only paying peanuts.
The compensation plan will clearly reward recruitment at the expense of investors. It won’t make any sense for anyone to invest money in the profit sharing idea, it will clearly not generate any positive ROI from the investment alone.
The money paid in by investors has been used to reward recruitment, i.e. the company will not be able to pay refunds if enough people want to cancel the deal. But investors should probably use that method anyway, as a method to stop further payments.
The program hasn’t been able to pay a decent ROI, and most likely it won’t be able to pay it either. The only thing it will be able to deliver is vague promises about future profit = the same thing it already has delivered.
“Cancel the deal” is about pointing out that the program hasn’t delivered what it promised to deliver, and to ask for a refund. It promised a profitable online casino as a profit generator. It has turned out to be something different, a recruitment based opportunity rather than an investment based one.
Wow it is clearly a lot of speculation coming from you. Even when some one like Faraday is setting the record straight, you still continue to twist the information to suit your initial idea. You watch a video and read a website and now you have ALL this information to spew out.
I am now wondering how trustworthy your recommendations are,for ANY company… because you don’t seem to listen to people that clearly have the right information but continue to twist it around.. Who are you and what give you the authority to speak about stuff as an authority about things you are clearly are interpreting incorrectly. Then on top of that the arrogance in witch you present your “certainty”
You clearly have an opinion there, but you are not speaking the truth…Why don’t you get educated before you spew this negativity…
So I2G are misrepresenting their own business model and compensation plan with their own marketing then?
Riiiiiiight.
Please explain how i2g isn’t just another affiliate funded revenue sharing Ponzi? Affiliate money goes in, affiliate money is used to pay out those who put money in earlier.
Spare us the offtopic whingefest.
Next time you go to buy batteries, make sure to specify you only want Pyramid Scheme brand.
They are easy to identify, they only have a positive terminal, no negativity is allowed.
They don’t work in the real world, only in books, but, hey, as long as there’s none of that evil negativity around, what the heck, eh ??
I don’t have to Faraday did that very clearly already, I suggest you go back and read that again, Also you are miss-representing what is on the I2G site. Go and double-check and you will see.
YOU are using words like I assume,it appears, presumably, from the sound of it,seem to be, it looks like,struggling to see, I’m by no means an expert, open up strong possibilities, try to identify, I can only find some indicators…
YOU call it an investment??? YOU state there are no customers??? and you do that in public??? Who else???
Oh boy,You guys will have to seriously put the tail between your legs and apologize to the world for your purposeful smear.
I am now wondering how trustworthy your recommendations are,for ANY company… because you don’t seem to listen to people that clearly have the right information but continue to twist it around..
Who are you and what give you the authority to speak about stuff as an authority about things you are clearly are interpreting incorrectly. Then on top of that the arrogance in witch you present your “certainty”
And your proof that we’re talking smack is… company’s own PR material?
I identified it like this in post #19:
I have tried the casino games for free, and it’s clearly not a real casino. It’s a collection of pop up games. If you still believe it’s a real casino you should try it yourself.
I have looked at the initial marketing between August 2013 and November 2013, and also more recent marketing methods. Infinity 2 Global is clearly pushing the casino idea as a main marketing argument.
It will eventually lead to investors feeling they have been cheated. The best strategy for investors will probably be to request a refund ASAP.
Pyramid schemes ARE “affiliate funded”, but the affiliates have status as “participants” rather than “investors”.
@Maggie
Right, so you can’t. Cheers.
Anybody with half a brain who knows exactly how these “revenue-sharing” Ponzi schemes work.
As per their compensation plan, Infinity2Global is a Ponzi scheme. That’s about as much as an apology as you’ll get from me.
Right, the people who can’t even explain how Infinity2Global isn’t just another affiliate-funded Ponzi scheme.
“Oh but we have some BS product!” Yeah, so does every other Ponzi out there these days. It does not matter.
@Kasey
“We are not a Ponzi scheme because… we are not a Ponzi scheme” vs. their compensation plan.
It’s a bit silly we’re even having this discussion. But the parrots will parrot whatever they have to to protect their investment I guess.
It’s more like “We’re not a ponzi scheme because… We insist we are not! (Pssst… do NOT look at our comp plan… it’s just negativity!)”
Like I said you will have a lot of apologizing to do…
By all means fixate yourself on an apology.
Meanwhile, as per their business model and more specifically the compensation plan, i2g is just another affiliate-funded Ponzi scheme.
You’re just denying, there’s no debate here. How do you think you’ll convince any one? By the amount of devotion you’ve demonstrated?
Do you believe in the online casino idea? Do you believe that the casino will be a profitable business venture that eventually will generate huge profit for the investors?
No I don’t Because there are NO investors. Not one.
The limited amount of emperor package-owners may or may not receive anything, if there are no profits they will not get any profits. How ever do I think it will be profits. Yes I do. and so does the big boys.
(Ozedit: Offtopic link dump removed)
@Maggie
Right… “profits”.
You mean recruitment commissions paid out on the sale of every affiliate package and “specified profits”, which history tells us will include money affiliates pump into the scheme.
Oh dear,
I thought we had seen the last of that “payments aren’t guaranteed so it can’t be a pyramid / ponzi” nonsense when it didn’t work for AdSurf Daily when they tried it on in court.
Apparently not.
What exactly do people receive in exchange for their money, e.g. the Emperors and the High Rollers? What types of products or services do they receive?
“Emperors package” isn’t a retailable product or service in itself. “The right to earn higher commission” is neither a product nor a service, and neither is the profit sharing.
Trade is about “exchange of values”, i.e. people should normally get goods or services in exchange for their money. MLM and network marketing are about trade. Pyramid schemes are about recruitment, and Ponzi schemes are about investments.
In investment, people will get (or they BELIEVE they will get) positive ROI (profit) on their invested money. I2G’s marketing clearly has a focus on prospected profit from the online casino. Look at post #7 and #10 in this thread?
In pyramid schemes, people will first earn a positive ROI if they (or others) recruit other participants. That’s the way I2G works.
The marketing is sometimes rather vague, but it will usually indicate growing profit from the online casino (among other profit sources, e.g. upcoming music downloads). I have checked several different videos and several different marketing websites.
I can probably answer that myself …
* High Roller will get I2G Touch for $75 per month
* Emperor will get I2G Touch included the first year, and for $200 per month the following years.
They will get exactly the same product(s), only with a different initial fee and monthly fee.
Binary Cycle commissions (300+300 BV):
* Novice $30
* Player $40
* High Roller $50
* Emperor $60
* Emperor and High Roller are qualified for bonuses
* Emperor will participate in 50% profit sharing
People are simply paying for the right to earn different commissions, “the more you pay the higher commission you will earn from recruitment”.
Commissions that derives from recruitment is clearly a pyramid scheme concept.
Profit sharing is about investment rather than about “goods or services”.
1. an investment of money due to
2. an expectation of profits arising from
3. a common enterprise
4. which depends solely on the efforts of a promoter or third party
$5,000 is clearly an investment of money, due to expectations of profits arising from a common enterprise.
“Promoter or third party” != other investors, i.e. recruitment based commissions will fail the test. “Online casino” clearly qualifies as “promoter or third party”.
“Common enterprise” is normally about ‘pooling of money’, e.g. like it is when each Emperor investment will receive an equal share from the same pool of money each month.
CONCLUSION
Primarily focused on selling products? NO.
Primarily focused on selling investments? PARTLY
Primarily focused on recruitment? CLEARLY
Passive Emperor investors should probably try to get out of this program ASAP while it still has money coming in, by asking for a full refund.
“Full refund” is the $5,000 investment minus the payouts received, potentially minus some minor expenses (that doesn’t include any of the commissions they have paid to others).
“Minor expenses” is about the $19.95 business software, and similar “acceptable expenses”. If any of the money has been paid out in recruitment commissions or bonuses, that will be the company’s OWN problem and something they will need to resolve internally.
The Emperors are the only ones who CLEARLY has made a passive investment. The program is designed to mislead passive investors by using vague promises about profit sharing from an online casino, but the investments are being used to reward recruiters rather than to generate ROI.
That’s more than enough reason to ask for a full refund.
As PT Barnum probably did NOT say… “There’s a sucker born every moment.”
I2G has been listed as “Closed, inactive or offline MLM programs” in the MMG forum for more than 2 months, with the last post posted on December 4th 2013.
* 14 posts by 8 different users.
* The thread managed to stay active for less than 1 month.
I have been asking for a refund for almost 2 months now. Rick said he would refund me money but I am still waiting.
I am wanting to file complaint with Kentucky Securities and Exchange Commissions.
There’s a note from Maike to Rod “MLMWatchdog” Cook on his website, listed under Pyramid schemes… Hmmm…
http://prosites-watchdog3.homestead.com/WARNINGS_MLM.html
Give me strength…
Hey, nobody said “no true Scotsman” can only be used by distributors… 🙂
They have distributors with red powder and cream on their cheeks ??
How weird
The so called “rouge distributors” will be the company itself and everyone using its official marketing videos. Each and everyone will be misrepresenting the opportunity, by publishing false and misleading information.
I2G’S OWN MARKETING
Here’s one of the marketing videos (November 2013):
youtube.com/watch?v=34TrFbrrZoY
The focus is on profit sharing, and on the opportunity. The “Level 1 on Level 4 license” is presented as a “Tier 1 license”, “the best type of license”. That’s highly misleading. The video has several vague but promising income claims.
The compensation plan pays out solely from recruitment, rather than from bona fide sale of goods or services to end users.
The opportunity is actually recruitment driven = recruit more participants by marketing the opportunity itself. It doesn’t seem to have much revenue from sale of goods or services.
To get rid of the “rogue distributors”, Rick Maike should probably first try to get rid of his OWN behavior. He’s more likely a main cause of the problem rather than a solution to it.
ILLEGAL AGREEMENTS
Wikipedia has some information about illegal and non enforceable agreements. Link to “Illegal agreements”, because that page had several links to related topics in the box “Contract laws” on the top right side.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_agreement
“Excuses for non-performance” has some additional topics, e.g. misrepresentation.
A contract will generally be non-enforceable if it involves illegal activities, or if the end result will be illegal. A misrepresented agreement will also be non-enforceable.
POOR DEFENSE SYSTEM
I2G has a very poor defense system.
* “Founding members” positions are probably about unregistered securities.
* “Emperor” positions are probably about unregistered securities.
* Distributors are primarily selling the opportunity itself rather than the services = a pyramid scheme concept rather than a legitimate business.
* A 70:1 customer to distributor ratio should be about revenue rather than about the number of people. People are not really customers if they don’t buy anything, the number of visitors to a website doesn’t count as customers.
I2G has illegally paid out recruitment commissions based on sale of “business opportunity packages”, rather than sales commissions based on sale of retailable products or services.
CONCLUSION
I believe dissatisfied “Founding Members” and “Emperors” should try to get out of this opportunity. I haven’t looked into other types of members.
The opportunity was flawed and misleading right from the start, e.g. in the focus it had on the profit sharing. It will probably never be able to deliver what it indirectly promised in its marketing.
If the organizers prefer to blame the distributors, the distributors can clearly blame the organizers. The organizers are the ones who organized the plan, and the ones who have the right to make changes.
A elderly family member of mine was recently conned into signing up for the “Emperor” level. She was told several lies that convinced her to wire transfer $5000.
It seems to be INCREDIBLY unlikely that she will ever recruit enough people to recoup her $5000. If I’m reading the above correctly, she would need to scam 10 other people into giving up $5000 just to break even.
Also, all my searches on this ponzi scheme resulted in COUNTLESS red flags. You’ll notice that if you Google “I2G Scam” or “Infinity 2 Global scam” or “Songstergram scam” or “I2G Pyramid Scheme”, etc… all the top results are made up websites created by members of I2G.
I’ve seen this before… they exploit SEO and Google Ad words to force their results to the top. They create seemingly reputable sites that purport to be real publications… so that if anyone tries to research the topic, all they are seeing is THEIR results. So you end up getting countless articles labelled “Infinity 2 Global Scam” and then when you click into them it will say “Is Infinity 2 Global a scam? NO!! It’s a great opportunity!!”… thus, continuing the scam.
Also, we took a look at this nonsense poker sight that conveniently “doesn’t work in the United States”… the website wouldn’t even work. Smart move playing up the whole “questionable legality” of online gambling. This smells completely fraudulent.
They also pitch some $20 per month subscription to an “app” that combines several social media sites like Facebook, Instagram, Vine, Twitter, MySpace, tumblr, pinterest etc… pretty much any social media buzzword they could think of. THe app doesn’t exist.
Even if the app did exist, NOBODY would pay $20 a month for it. There are already free open-source applications that allow you to do exactly this. Here they are simply playing up the ignorance of elderly people who are unfamiliar with social media. Folks who don’t even know how to download an app in the first place.
The “Songstergram” thing is even worse. From what I can tell, it’s merely a website with a stolen video looping in the background and a sign-up button. It claims it’s available in the Apple and Google App Stores, but the buttons don’t actually work. A quick search on the Android and Apple app stores show that the Songstergram app doesn’t actually exist. This is a non-existent product. It’s fake. A fraud. A complete scam.
I watched some webinars with Rick Maike and Faraday Hosseinipour where they excitedly hype up the features of this imaginary app… You can “share music with anyone”.. you can “download music”. It’s “like itunes”. It’s all blatant bullshit. If I want to share a video of me singing a song, I can already do this with literally any smartphone on the market. I can upload a video to youtube. I can post videos on my facebook. THis functionality already exist.
As for downloading music, NOBODY is going to compete with Spotify or itunes. There are countless others who have attempted to compete with those leaders and it just doesn’t work. They’d need to spend millions to license the music. It’s not happening. Only a complete idiot would fall for this. “Songstergram” does not exist. It’s a fictional app in the mind of sharks preying on the weak.
I’m sickened by this company. I’m sickened that they scammed my elderly relative into giving up $5000 to them. My question is, is there anything she can do to try and recoup that money?… Any actions we can take?
Oh I forgot the most ridiculous lie my elderly relative was told. Faraday claimed that big-time celebrities like Justin Timberlake, Lady Gaga, Britney Spears, Prince, and others were all “using Songstergram”. Even claimed that they were all going to be on Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy Fallon’s show on “April 1st” to promote the application.
An easy google search would prove this to be a complete lie. The app doesn’t even exist.
Also, anyone with any common sense whatsoever would note that “April 1st” is fucking April Fools day. That’s just rubbing salt in the wounds… It’s not enough to scam an elderly woman… you need to make fun of their gullibility in the process?
Defrauding seniors carries special crime enhancements in many jurisdictions. And if this is done over state lines, that makes it a FEDERAL crime. I think it’s time to get the local police involved, Scott. AND the local news. Make a BIG stink out of it. Poison the well, so to speak (it’s for good).
She must recruit 3 (preferrably more) other Emperors, and they must recruit a few.
The 10% commission is the Fast Start Bonus, a direct recruitment commission. Other parts of the compensation plan pays out much more than that one.
The app I have seen mentioned costs $19.95 one time fee, and it probably do exist.
Here’s a disabled link (copy and paste):
You will find information through the menu system.
Opportunity –> Full details = the compensation plan (pdf)
Products –> I2Gtouch = the $19.95 app
Products –> I2G2 = unknown app
I’m not familiar with Songstegram, other than from the descriptions here. It’s probably a lot of empty promises. 🙂
I2G is a FAKE Ponzi scheme, a pyramid scheme pretending to be a Ponzi-like investment opportunity for the Emperor positions. The other positions are plain and simple pyramid scheme positions, 3 different types.
The Emperor positions makes it profitable to join as a $600 High Roller (or other position) if you know how to recruit. It also makes it EASIER to recruit if you can offer “monthly profit share from online casino” to some people.
But it will also result in dissatisfied Emperor investors very rapidly, after a few months when they see the monthly payout. It will most likely result in investors wanting to get their money back, and then in consumer complaints to different authorities (when voluntarily refund requests are not met within reasonable time).
That’s only a VIEWPOINT. I have tried to analyse what it is and where and why it will fail for some of the participants, but you will find many other viewpoints here.
I wouldn’t use the Ponzi scheme argument in a complaint. I don’t believe I would use the pyramid scheme argument directly either.
For a non-recruiting Emperor, the normal way is to ask for a voluntarily refund within reasonable time, e.g. by using misrepresentations as an argument. Handle it like a dissatisfied consumer or consumer investor = point out exactly why you’re dissatisfied and want your money back, but don’t exaggerate anything. Don’t use “legal language”, use normal consumer language.
I’m not sure what proof you guys have otherwise, but I just used a proxy server to surf the internet via Hong Kong, UK, Ukraine, etc… regardless of what country you visit Infinity Casino from, every single link just says “Sorry, people from this country are not currently allowed to play casino for real money”… even for “free play” games like Monopoly.
This tells me that i2gcasino is a fraud. The games do not actually exist. The idea that “it’s only available to customers outside the United States” is just a lie they have told to scam folks in the US.
(Ozedit: SEO manipulation removed)
You can easily play the games for free, until you get bored of that. “You must log in to play this game for money” is the message I’m getting when moving the mouse over that button.
Norway… what games. Every single game I try to play on there just says “not available in your country”.
I just checked the slot machines today, but I tried different games for free the first time i checked.
I’m not using any proxy server. I can play the games for free from Norway. Playing for money requires log in.
That’s why I have criticized the “casino”. I have actually tried it, but only for free. Playing for money won’t make it more exciting. Check post #24.
You can probably find many similar types of “casinos” by googling the “Gambling license” number, LGA/CL1/225/2005.
The typical casino games I tried were extremely boring. A couple of the slot machine games managed to entertain me the first time I tried them, but they didn’t entertain me the second time.
Everyone should take a look at songstergram.com and sign up and see for themselves how much of a jackleg worthless site this is. You need a reference code. Google “songstergram reference id” to find one.
The site will allow you to use very simple passwords. “password”, “abc”, “123”, etc…. This is commonly seen in scam websites with no interest in security.
I am not sure if credit card processing is functional, but I wouldn’t trust giving them my info.
The songs to buy are not labeled by artist. The artist names are almost all “ADMIN”. The did some kind of batch import and didn’t fix this.
The songs to buy are horribly out of date. There are “4” worthless songs in the “Dance” genre. There are “31” worthless dated songs in “Classic Rock”.
This site is an absolute joke. It looks like project site that was either built for this pyramid scheme, or it was being developed for legitimate reasons, and it was found to be worthless and sold to Infinity 2 Global for $5,000 or less.
Now go to itunes and google play and look at the difference. Songstergram is a total joke.
My focus have been on whether or not the “casino” and other business components actually can work as “profit generators” for the profit sharing investors. I can accept your review of Songstergram, I don’t need to check it myself. 🙂
Online “casino games” CAN generate profit, but the ones that do generate profit will typically be backed up by heavy marketing strategies quite different from network marketing strategies.
Marketing strategies for that type of service typically revolves around attracting interested people by offering joining rewards (e.g. “get up to $1,500 extra to play for”, “get $100 in bonus when you open an account”).
Network marketing is simply the wrong type of marketing method for that type of business.
Network marketing will pay recruiters to recruit more recruiters, but it will hardly have any incentives for customers.
I find it ridiculous that they are making these false claims from Lady Gaga. It looks like the pyramid it crashing and they are getting desperate. Anyone with an IQ over 70 knows this is a lie. The i2g website traffic has been diminishing according to Alexa.
Soon they will be gone with everyone’s money like a thief in the night. After that they will have a new “opportunity”
Send it to Lady Gaga’s agent and her music publisher. 🙂 And the rest of the celebrities. Then watch the sparks fly.
I am reading all of the comments, but why are people gambling on i2gcasino then? You have to sign up through the parent link and an i2g affiliate to get inside the website to gamble.
I see the payments coming through the back offices showing people that have signed up and are gambling.
People pay a monthly membership fee, which is exchanged for chips. If they are buying more, someone must be liking it. I consider that an incentive for the International members.
Online gaming is currently being legalized in the US, and already has been in some locations. When it is legalized, I will think this company was ahead of the game.
I will be real interested to see where this goes over time. Especially if the Songstagram mobile apps get final approval and are released this month. I will come back and repost then.
They’re not. Whatever insignificant little activity takes place on the casino site is quite obviously not sustaining the ROIs I2G are advertising.
What you’re seeing is people signing up as affiliates, and dumping money into the system on the promise of a ROI. The same as you did.
And that accounts for the little activity evident on the casino site. Meanwhile why are those people paying the membership fee? Because they want their ROI.
Yes we’ve seen the marketing hype used to push I2G. I see you have too. Regurgitating sales points you’ve been told to market I2G with won’t get you very far here.
At the end of the day when you launch an affiliate-funded ROI scheme, no matter what you attach to it it’s still just an affiliate-funded ROI scheme.
Chips to the casino wasn’t included in the membership fee when I checked the compensation plan.
The casino isn’t really a casino. It’s a collection of Flash games (small pop up games). People CAN play for real money, but that doesn’t mean they’re doing it. You can try the games for free to see what I mean, you will not get the “casino feeling” from those games.
Are you talking about GAMBLING or GAMING? Gambling is a game of chance, e.g. roulette or poker. Gambling will also involve money.
Gaming can be all sorts of games, and will normally not involve money.
Sorry to say I was involved for about 6 months, I thought it was a good concept, but after time I started seeing a lot of red flags.
I known a few emperors that backed out and got a refund after 4-6mths bc of no money being made. The songstergram doesn’t even have an app as they claim, and they say its gonna blow iTunes away..haha…
Lots of people have left, and ppl are still being signed up as well. I only see this lasting maybe another 6 months tops!
Thanks guys for the answers. From what I have seen BehindMLM has never been wrong about a company being a Ponsi Scheme so I have enough respect to take a close look based on that reputation alone.
I told my friend who enrolled above me about this link, even tried to get him to read it, or listen to try to stop the bleeding, but I was basically ignored. From all appearances he immediately dumped even more money in.
I would love to find out that you are wrong, but I am seeing the red flags myself. Been burned more than once.
I think this is what was missed about Healing America:
mlminfosite.com/?p=4010
About them using Lady Gaga, Timberlake, etc’s name… I hope they get sued. That fraud skincare company Nerium is getting sued by Ray Liotta right now for that same kind of thing.
Scary part is, the ignorant fools who have fallen for these scams don’t understand that they are being lied to… and then end up posting these lies on their own Facebook. In the Ray Liotta lawsuit, there are several defendants named who are likely just average dumb folks who posted on their own facebook/blogs.
In other words, some of these people getting scammed by Infinity 2 Global/Songstergram could see themselves sued down the line for not fact-checking the nonsense they are posting on YouTube and various social networks.
about the “online gambling will be legalized soon” argument… Do these people understand how foolish that argument is?
If/when online gambling is legalized, the big-pocket multi-billion dollar existing casinos will be the ones to set up safe/secure websites that you can gamble on… not some hackey ponzi scheme-funded flash game website that’s been around for a few months.
A few points:
First, the Songstagram app exists, because I installed it. The first versions of Touch and Songstagram needed (and are getting) some tweaks, but what tech product doesn’t? I am unfortunately old enough to remember the disaster that was Windows ME.(shudder)
Second, I can’t speak to the gaming as I haven’t played the games, but I do know that 2 other revenue sources are in the works, including a physical location. One of these sources, I assure you, grabs the world’s attention and income.
It just did in fact (hint: Argentina) and again (hint: Minneapolis) and will so again (hint: Green Bay). Year after year after year, like clockwork. It should be “Saturated!” according to the Sages here in their orthodoxy. AND YET, it is not.
All of this navelgazing or breathless recruiting assumes the world economy will not collapse, but then so do all of your incomes and “jobs” and all moneymaking ventures everywhere in the world, at this point. We are all dancing on air in this economy: don’t kid yourself.
Franchise owners drop half a million and hope they will break even on their little place in a year or 2: whining over someone else’s spent $5000 is ridiculous. What are you , their mothers?
When the whole world economy ponzi scheme comes crashing down as China and Russia decimate the dollar, your ‘safe’ ‘legitimate’ jobs will crash just as hard as i2g might; the difference is, they will have a lot more to convert into gold and ammo and pads overseas before then. The checks are not fake.
Whining about the people hyping an MLM plan is like whining about the people dancing in front of your deck chair on the Titanic. You’re just mad no one wants to dance with you. Hold your breath…that’s gonna come in handy any minute now.
With regard to the Songstagram situation, (and I am not speaking for the company-no infringement is intended nor implied) my understanding is the name had to be changed slightly to avoid conflict with a similarly-named entity.
Also it was decided, I am told, to tweak the product a little more before releasing it publicly through those musicians mentioned above.
And for all of you snarking, Whatsapp just was bought by Facebook for $19 billion, and LINE (very popular in Asia, and I also have one of their apps) is doing a $10 billion IPO.
NOTHING downloaded is worth $19 billion. Go ahead and pat yourself on the back: you’ve earned it. How sage you are for doubting! Good for you. Had only those fools listened to you, they would have been saved! Perhaps they cry themselves to sleep, margaritas in hand.
Since I probably can’t post a link to the business article (hint: rhymes with Morbes), I’ll just quote it here: “LINE is further along than WhatsApp in one crucial area: revenue.
While the Line app is free to download, its first quarter revenue tripled from the prior year to $144 million. That sales growth comes from games and in-app purchases of virtual items like stickers. Line also charges companies and celebrities monthly fees for “official” Line accounts that can send promotional messages.”
Now look: I don’t understand WhatsApp, nor Line, nor do I care to. I never heard of either one…UNTIL I SAW THEM ON A PHONE. You and I are not their market, and yet here I find myself having used both. How did that happen?
BECAUSE THEY KNEW IT WOULD AND MADE IT HAPPEN.
What matters is that THEY UNDERSTAND HOW TO MARKET TO THE SMARTPHONE GENERATION. And how do they make money? Games which are stupid online wastes of time. In-app purchases which are stupid online wastes of time.
Getting people to pay money for the privilege of texting and messaging, which are stupid online wastes of time. We all know this, yet most of us DO THESE THINGS ANYWAY.
And what does one see in the i2g music app? In-app purchase banners. Contests to win a chance to sing with celebrities. And the ability to CHARGE MONEY for people to download that song you recorded and uploaded (or that personal training class video you recorded for your clients).
Not subject to what Apple or Google wants you to pay. Along with tracks that can be bought and downloaded right now. They do have actual songs in there, and also ‘background music’ versions with the vocals removed. Will some people produce crap?
Sure, just like on YouTube. And then there is, say, Pentatonix, who never got a single minute of major market radio airplay, yet built their YouTube subscriptions into soon-to-be 6 million people and parlayed their online and NBC Sing Off gigs into a WORLD TOUR.
Far more people watched them online than ever would be caught dead staying home to watch NBC.
So yes, for you and I and the world’s curmudgeonry, this all makes no difference. And Facebook looked like crap in its first iteration, too.
Maike and company are betting that the economy will wheeze along long enough that they can cash out on millions of people, online, tuning YOU out.
In the words of the kids in the station wagon backseat, “Are we there yet?” No. But I think they’re right.
Any revenue-sources i2g come up with are just going to be amalgamations of getting affiliates to deposit more money into the scheme.
The “new revenue streams are just around the corner” horse is dead. Stop beating it.
Sure it will chief. Sure it will.
And you can throw up all the hypothetical comparisons to Line and WhatsApp you want. They have value for a reason. “Me-too” garbage from i2g is not going to compete.
Anymore so than the “we will be the next Facebook because we’ll just copy them” social networks garbage MLM companies come out with.
WhatsApp and Line are successful because they offer a service in demand. And they were among the first to bring it to phones.
Again, “me-too” garbage from i2g isn’t even going to register as a blip on the radar. The only people who will use it are investors. Ditto the music app and whatever other sub-par imitation crap the company comes out with.
Just another Ponzi pimp trying to market their scheme on the coattails of innovative and legitimate businesses. Yawn.
I’m pretty sure you have joined just recently, less than a month ago, probably less than 2 weeks too? My guess is because you’re still repeating marketing statements, but you don’t rememember the details yet. 🙂
You were attracted by the $18 per month profit share?
Norway, you don’t know jack about me (shocker!) and Oz is already convinced that the sky has fallen. So my question is, what do you care? Maybe most apps fail to make money, just as most new restaurants do etc. So what?
You didn’t answer any of my points about how these viral apps are marketed (since you lack the intelligence and ability to refute them). I don’t even know what these apps all do, but here I am somehow using them, and they make hundreds of millions of dollars.
Again, were they “born” fully developed? No. Is it possible the apps could fail? Sure. But feel free to share with me what apps YOU have developed that are in the Google Play store. Also, M_Norway, your guesses bookended by passive aggressive emoticons don’t make your smug ignorance appealing.
Oz can feel free to dazzle us with his mobile app QA testing expertise and business valuation skills anytime. So far I just see another internet troll.
“Let’s see, um…those 2 apps have value because…I’ve already heard of them because..oh yeah, because Ing reminded me of them and Forbes wrote about them and…they were first to market. But anything anyone else comes out with will be crap because I THE MIGHTY OZ says so.” Nice circular reasoning, Mister (Ms.?) Appeal-To-Authority Fallacy.
Same thing was said about the iPhone, about Amazon, about Microsoft Windows. It’s a good thing, for the most part, that the business world is run by people the OPPOSITE of you two. On balance, the pros outweigh the cons.
However, execution matters more than vision, so on that score i2g has to deliver. We shall see if they do. Rippln couldn’t, for example, so there is precedent. But then, how many operating systems were coded before Windows began? Every now and then, somebody learns from past mistakes and gets it right. There’s an event in a few days so we shall see.
It’s unfortunate that the internet is still stuck with you two sad sacks though.
By the way, I didn’t say anyone was copying Facebook. Try to increase your meds a little and learn the difference between what you read, Oz, and the voices in your bitter little troll head.
Whatsapp and Line were not the first to market in their respective niches, either, but they figured out how to make it ‘stick’. Maybe you should try it, then you can regale us with tales of how easy it is.
Interesting rebuttal. You managed to talk about everything EXCEPT how I2G manage to generate revenue. You IMPLIED that it’s through viral apps, but you left that vague.
FYI, viral apps don’t generate revenue in itself. Either in-app purchases or ads do.
An example of extremely stupid viral app… the Hodor messenger. (go look it up)
I didn’t even look at them, only a quick look to determine the TYPE of statements.
I2G will use a part of the money paid IN by members to pay OUT some peanuts ($15-$30 per month, currently around $18 per month) as “profit share” on a $5,000 investment = “get your money back in 15-20 years”.
You have paid money in to something that really is a recruitment scheme, where most of the money you pay in is being used to reward other members higher up in the system, where very little is being used to develop a real business.
What OTHER COMPANIES make of money in a market should normally be of little interest? You have invested in I2G, and it doesn’t make much money. It only attracts money from a few investors (from people who BELIEVE it might eventually become a profitable investment).
If you want to make money in I2G, you should probably focus on recruiting other investors. There’s always some “low hanging fruits” out there like yourself, eager to part with their monies. But that strategy also has the risk of being illegal.
That’s why I recommended “consumer complaints” earlier in this thread = try to get your money back ASAP, e.g. use chargeback if you have paid with credit card.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is what happens when you back a Ponzi pimp into a corner.
Fail.
I2G isn’t about apps, it’s a Ponzi scheme. The apps are a smokescreen.
Because it’s entirely irrelevant. Affiliates invest and are then paid with newly invested affiliate money.
The apps exist solely so investors such as yourself can run around the internet trying to convince people they are relevant.
Fail.
Anything I2G will come out with will be crap because it’s just “me-too” garbage to front the Ponzi scheme.
Given that they’re not Ponzi schemes, no it wasn’t.
I wrote this review almost a year ago. I2G affiliates have been crapping on about apps and casino revenue since the scheme launched.
It’s a Ponzi scheme son, get over it. You and your Ponzi pimp pals can keep singing the same old tired rhetoric, nobody cares.
A Ponzi is a Ponzi is a Ponzi.
@Kasey
New affiliate investment duh. Same as it’s always been.
Much like I2G’s casino/app nonsense, Ing’s comments only exist to try to draw people’s attention from the money flow within the scheme.
And you didn’t answer my point about when you joined I2G.
I2G started by promising profit share from a gambling site. When people checked that part, they hastily changed the description to GAMING (rather than GAMBLING).
Since people obviously didn’t believe in the profitability of that project, they were forced to hastily add some new “profit generating components” a few people could believe in (they don’t generate profit, but people can clearly believe in them).
This thread has been active like this:
November/December 2013 a few posts
January/February 2014 many posts
March/April 2014 a few posts
May 2014 a couple of posts
June 2014 0 posts
July 2014 a few posts (because of you)
Based on that statistic, the I2G program partially collapsed around February 2014. There’s a few people trying to keep it alive on the internet (e.g. Facebook), around 6 people or so. There’s a lot of dissatisfied investors who feel cheated. There’s a few new investors joining, but there hasn’t been many after March 2014.
The ones posting here have mostly been people wanting to get their money back. They started to pop up already in January or February. You have actually joined a pyramid scheme 5 months after it has collapsed.
Could I ask What is the present success status of g1e now that i2g has changed it name.
Horse Maguire
New article up with my thoughts about the Global1Entertainment reboot.
Face it Ricke Maike is a scammer just like Doyce Barnes or Faraday and Dave Manning or Dennis Dvorin. One thing CEO’s know how to do is create corporations that sell shitty products and design them so eventually file for bankruptcy while the leaders walk away with millions of dollars from investors.
Look Rick Maike will never be granted a gambling license in the State of Las Vegas because once the gambling board looks at te books, which clearly show he doesn’t know how to run or manage a casino he and his compadres in crime will be out on their asses selling another mlm scheme.
Ricke Maike can claim all they want about looking into buying a casino, and telling you that everyone will have an “opportunity” to participate in the profits. So listen to his words very carefully. You have an opportunity, but 99% of you will never actually get a piece of that pie. Why? Because you won’t ever be able to qualify for the top bonuses.
It’s a carrot at the end of a stick that you will never ever be able to get your hands on. It’s pie in the sky.
Most of you were stupid enough to believe in his Casino Profit Sharing scheme and forked out $5000 on the dream of one day hitting big after gambling became legal. Yet, you still did not listen to his carefully crafted words.
Over 75% of money sitting in unclaimed unawarded bonuses are now controlled by Rick Maike because he designed a compensation plan where over 60% of the i2g members would not qualify for any commissions or bonuses.
NONE OF YOU IDIOTS EVER PAID ATTENTION TO THIS ONE BIG RED FLAG
Infinity 2 Global’s selling system has no affiliate links to sell products. All of the links are meant to recruit.
This means that the online casino was never intended to produce a profit or create any internet traffic of inbound customers.
Ask yourself this if this still does not register in your brain – How is an internet casino ever going to get customers or get popular if no one promotes it?
None of you i2G members were ever provided with an affiliate link to promote the casino. Therefore, it was never going to make millions of dollars per month.
Over 10,000 Infinity 2 Global members and none of you were given an affiliate link to sell the casino and make money from it.
All of you were just making money from recruiting.
This wasn’t a mistake on Rick Maike’s part, it was done by design.
Could they have given affiliate links? Hell yes. As long as customers are generated from outside of the United States.
The bottom line is you’re a sucker and Ricke Maike is making most of you attend celebration parties for how well he screwed you over.
i2G G1E is worse than Zeek Rewards because at least with Zeekler, those guys were actually selling and delivering products in the beginning.
Here you were just lied to from the beginning and you liked it.