Linking GiveOpp, TheNewOpp, RFS & Axiom Marketing
Despite having seemingly launched on July 4th, GiveOpp seems to have had a pretty non-existent launch as far as MLM companies go.
GiveOpp still has no solid web presence and marketing wise the company seems to be relying solely on it’s few distributors to get the word out. As far as company support goes if I was marketing the product I’d be pulling my hair out at the lack of it given by GiveOpp.
…or would I?
Over the last few weeks a number of things have started to add up regarding GiveOpp and might explain the deafening silence from the company itself.
Our journey starts with the emergence of TheNewOpp (sound similar to any other companies you know of?). TheNewOpp.com domain was registered back in 2007 by Retro Hosting, which I’ve previously established is a company owned by Don Glanville.
Similar to the GiveOpp website, TheNewOpp.com doesn’t let you progress any further without punching in some personal details. Thankfully one BehindMLM reader was kind enough to recently forward on a funnel link.
Here you can read a bit more about the business opportunity offered via TheNewOpp. Not surprisingly it’s in stark contrast to the ‘feel good save-the-world’ charity image thus far presented by GiveOpp distributors via social media.
There’s a video produced by ‘Quicklister productions’ watchable in the top right corner of TheNewOpp funnel page. The pinnacle of just what GiveOpp and TheNewOpp about I believe is contained therein. Particularly the footage of one gentlemen counting his hard earned thousands from the ‘happy truck’.
Of additional interest on this funnel page is the prominence of Tom and the ‘Keep life simple… Be a Tom’ slogan. This slogan is currently featured over the GiveOpp.com website without any explanation as to what it means.
Scrolling down to the very bottom of the sales pitch you’ll also note that there’s a clickable link over a logo belonging to something called the ‘Inner Circle Council’. Clicking this logo brings up a peculiar little manifesto which is presented in image format, so it’s not copy and pasteable.
Manually typing out the first sentence of the manifesto however (surely they knew publishing at as an image was pointless), reveals that the exact same manifesto, word for word, was first published as the mission statement for the company, Axiom Marketing Alliance.
Having no idea who they were, or why they shared the same mission statement as TheNewOpp (and presumably GiveOpp), it came as slight surprise to see that the CEO of the Axion Marketing Alliance was none other than Don Glanville.
Don Glanville’s name seems to be popping up everywhere everytime I do any research into GiveOpp.
Clicking on the ‘Featured Systems’ section of the Axiom Marketing Alliance website brought up another familiar name, Quicklister. This was the name of the production company credited with producing the video on the TheNewOpp funnel website.
Quicklister’s product description didn’t really grab my attention but one of the other ‘featured systems’, the ‘Reverse Funnel System’ did.
A few people had mentioned the Reverse Funnel System in connection with Don Glanville in the comments of my original article on GiveOpp, so I decided to take a closer look at it this time.
The Reverse Funnel System (RFS) was created back in 2007 by Ty Coughlin and Don Glanville. The idea was that instead of funneling lots of leads to your marketing site and hoping for conversions, you instead charged people $50 to access any information and the small number of leads that got through were more likely to convert into sales.
The RFS was billed as an automated system and the only requirement for the distributor utilizing the system was to advertise and drive traffic to their funnel page.
Distributors using the RFS paid a $300 a month subscription fee to use the system and it is alleged that at it’s peak, Ty Coughlin was making around $400,000 a month off the system alone.
At the time of release the RFS was bundled with the income opportunity Global Resorts Network, but seemingly it could be applied to any opportunity – and currently that opportunity appears to be GiveOpp, or TheNewOpp or whatever they’re going to call themselves tomorrow.
You’ll note that $50 is currently the asking price for any information on GiveOpp once you’ve sent them some personal details. No information is provided about the opportunity unless this criteria is met.
BehindMLM readers have stated that the next step is coughing up around $3000 to join the opportunity. Interestingly this is about the same price that followed the $50 initial investment when the RFS was being used with the Global Resorts Network (GRN).
Another sign pointing to the use of the RFS is that GiveOpp themselves don’t appear to be doing any direct marketing of their company. With the idea that distributors using the RFS have nothing to do except advertise the company themselves, why would they?
With the RFS in place GiveOpp can rely on its distributors to market the system without any cost to the parent company nor them having to lift a finger.
This appears to be what’s currently going on, only the process is being hampered due to lack of membership numbers. Also I’ll admit I’ve still got no idea what the actual product(s) is/are that GiveOpp are selling. Readers have mentioned it’s got something to do with a travel club but what exactly that entails I’m yet to see.
Regardless it’s a far cry from the ‘save the world’ charity advertising that’s thus far been employed by GiveOpp associates. Behind this facade appears to be nothing more then a nuts and bolts make money machine that was first introduced three years ago, eventually died off and now seems to be being relaunched.
I think part of the reason it’s massively failed thus far is that the idea isn’t new this time. I’ve openly stated numerous times that I refuse to hand over $50 just to find out basic information on a company I may or may not be interested in joining, and I suspect I’m not alone.
In the internet marketing world of 2010, this I believe is the biggest challenge facing the GiveOpp team and I don’t see it as one they’re going to overcome anytime soon.
The sales conversion rate might be great but I just don’t believe they’re going to get the traffic to their respective advertising websites to make the business sustainable.
What I do suspect will happen however is a repeat of what happened before with the RFS. A small bunch of people will initially turn over a profit but eventually the system will be over run by those who’ve spent thousands on advertising only to see abysmal conversion rates. This in turn will lead to the system once again collapsing on itself.
I guess we’ll have to see how this all pans out.
If it helps, I have at least 400 people in the GiveOpp opportunity using my social media products, I know there is no compulsory $3000 fee at all, because a lot of the people we are dealing with at GiveOpp are starting at the $49.95 level and just selling their travel product, and they are selling it, then investing in the product.
I popped through the information to get a feel for it, and it tells you all the way through, there is no charge if you choose not to start, I did not start and received a full refund, the information was very well put together, from my point of view, I should have started if that guy earned $400k per month( but I am sure you can not verify/prove this), also if you go onto Facebook, there is lots of activity with the GiveOpp business.
I have no idea how you can say it has massively failed when you do not seem to know a thing about it, and it is brand new, and you have no idea how many people are there, that makes me laugh.
If you re-read your post, and as I have said before, you only write to get mass responses back to rank your blog, and to date, you have no real responses apart from your usual 3 stooges and me. and not a single one of us knows a god damn thing about GiveOpp.
I think I best get out of here before your boys come on and start throwing sticks at me.
Sorry what? at least 400 people?!
Where are all these people using your social media products? Facebook shows a couple of hundred at best and Twitter is dead except for spam from the guys at Advertising Nerds and Richard Bejah and his Project Bono. Bejah co-incidentally appears to be the only GiveOpp distributor putting any real effort into his marketing campaign.
That’s Twitter and Facebook, the two largest social media networks out there, so where are the rest of these ‘at least 400 people’ using your social media products?
This has to be the most invisible social media campaign I’ve ever seen.
Oh please, who’s going to buy a $3000 travel product off someone who hasn’t even tried it themselves?
‘so uh… what’s the product like?’
‘oh sorry I can’t afford it at this time. But I’ve heard it’s great! Hey look over there it’s some social networking!!!….so uh, can I have my $3000 now plz?’
‘…’
A few reader’s have commented that if you don’t ‘go forward’ with the $3000 product purchase you exclude yourself for 6 months from the opportunity. Whilst there might indeed be an option to go forward without buying into the travel club, let’s face it… nobody is making commissions on a $49 or $59 signup fee. Obviously GiveOpp distributors are going to market the $3000 sell like it’s compulsory.
Can I ask why? The fact that you knocked it back personally speaks for itself.
Ty Coughlin wasn’t making the alleged $400,000 a month from Global Resorts Network, the money was coming straight from selling the Reverse Funnel System. The same system I believe is being used by GiveOpp now (with Glanville and who knows who else at the top this time?).
The fact that you claim to be selling social media products to at least 400 GiveOpp members and the fact that there’s an abysmally small social media footprint for GiveOpp is proof enough that it’s thus far failed. Either that or your social media products are failing them.
You can’t run a business from Facebook either, sure it might be a valuable component but it’s hardly a business platform nor is it large enough or well indexed to be a standalone marketing platform either.
Actually, to date there’s been over 140 comments on GiveOpp left on this blog from a variety of people. So far we know that GiveOpp are running a reverse funnel system that is attached to a travel product that appears to be remarkably similar to the Global Resorts Network opportunity the RFS was attached to back in 2007.
Back then distributors were awarded $1000 in commission for every sale made by the funnel system and given the other near identical similarities between 2007 and now I wouldn’t at all be surprised if the exact same system is in place now.
Charity wise it appears to be an automated percentage of each sale goes towards some project thing, so an educated guess would be that we’re looking at a travel resorts club (the Lashins just got back from Bali recently where there’s plenty of resorts to stay at), coupled with a travel program similar to Global Resorts Network. You buy into for $3000 and by reselling make a $1000 commission.
Of course due to the nature of the RFS this isn’t going to be officially released by GiveOpp anytime soon, so I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what happens in September with their announced launch.
The Urban Dictionary also defines a Tom as “Police slang used by the British force, especially by the Metropolitan, to describe a prostitute”. This puts a hilarious spin on the slogan “Keep life simple… Be a Tom”, although buying into a MLM program usually does indicate a willingness to put aside morals and commonsense for money.
GiveOpp has a registered Trade Name in Arizona: http://www.azsos.gov/scripts/TNT_Search_engine.dll/ZoomTNT?NME_ID=487681&NME_CODE=NME
It lists the owner as Mark Cosby, and lists the business type as “Charity.” That seems a bit misleading… especially when you do a search on Florida corporations:
http://ccfcorp.dos.state.fl.us/corinam.html
GiveOpp Inc. is listed as a Florida for profit corporation. A Paula Glanville is listed as the owner of the Florida corporation. Mark Cosby is listed as an officer for GiveOpp Inc. He’s the CEO. So how did he confuse “charity” with “for profit”?
Not sure what’s going on there Frank but it does look like GiveOpp is registered as non-profit and for profit in two different states.
Obviously it’s for tax reasons but wonder if it’s legal?
How about this blurb on John Lavenia’s Facebook page?
You can pull in a full-time business income – anonymously – while working your other program. Cheers, JL
Apparently GiveOpp cannot attract legitimate business builders, so now they appeal to the down and dirty marketers who will join, rape their lists, and then go on to the next deal. Meanwhile the GiveOpp owners get a piece of the pie.
It’s worth noting that marketing other opportunities to your downline is usually against the terms and conditions of nearly every MLM company out there.
Good way to get severed from your existing company, then you’ve got no choice but to push GiveOpp.
The anonymous part is interesting though and adds weight to the RFS being utilised. If you setup a page that demands $50 to find out anything about the company it’s not like you need to speak to anyone or make a call before they’re already somewhat committed financially.
Great research OZ