Brent Payne outsourcing CompanyNameTBA to Tyler Hurst?
Brent Payne is one of the co-founders of the now defunct Liberty League International. In 2009 Payne abruptly left Liberty League and to date an official reason has never surfaced. Whatever the reason was for Payne’s departure from Liberty League, it’s probably a safe bet it’s buried under a mountain of non-disclosure agreements.
Meanwhile whilst rumours of marital affairs, refusing to join Scientology, pursuing his music career and other reasons for his sudden departure raced around the internet, Brent Payne stayed low and was not heard from up until recently.
About a month ago Payne resurfaced on the internet in a Youtube clip “Brent Payne steps forward”.
The clip seemed to indicate that Payne was getting ready to launch a new business opportunity.
The video itself doesn’t reveal much else however a new blog, ‘Company Name TBA’ (companynametba.com) went public in early April. Thus far Company Name TBA has been used to write about topics related to personal development.
The author(s) of Company Name TBA for now appear to be anonymous publishing under the pseudonym ‘boss’, however the content is written as a collective (the use of ‘we’ is quite common).
Recently I stumbled across a tidbit of information which seems to shed some light on who exactly ‘we’ is.
I was playing around with Company Name TBA’s RSS feed when I came across the following error message:
Warning: Cannot modify header information – headers already sent by (output started at /home/tdhurst/companynametba.com/wp-includes/feed.php:164) in /home/tdhurst/companynametba.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-sup/wp-sup.php on line 44.
Now for most of you that’s not going to make much sense so I’ll try to explain what’s important about this message as clearly as I can. The ‘/home/tdhurst/blahblah’ snippets of code is what’s important here. This signifies that Company Name TBA is being hosted in a folder /tdhurst in the root directory of a web hosting account.
‘Tdhurst’ isn’t all that common of a name string so naturally I punched it into google. This led me to the webpage of a Tyler Hurst at http://tdhurst.com.
On his ‘Tyler does’ page, Hurst describes himself;
I’m a freelance marketing consultant. I develop, tweak and implement marketing plans, both digital and analog. About half my work is for Amanda Vega Consulting, where I work with high-end retail, real-estate, legal and communication companies.
I speak about how to use social media tools.
I teach small groups how to communicate better.
I present at geeky conferences.
I moderate discussions at design conferences.
I produce and manage tons of written, audio and video content.
I’m for hire.
Hmm… so a ‘freelance marketing consultant’ who teaches ‘how to use social media tools’ and has produced ‘tons of written, audio and video content’ for his clients appears to be hosting Brent Payne’s Company Name TBA website.
I could have stopped poking around there but I wanted to be more certain before publishing anything. I mean Company Name TBA being hosted on /tdhurst could be anyone. Just because the top tdhurst on the internet was a marketing consultant didn’t mean he was necessarily producing blog content for Brent Payne.
My next connection came via a post on Company Name TBA blog titled ‘Make Lemonade’. This post is a plug for some movie titled Lemonade which draws the comparison between the personal development stories of the cast of Lemonade and whatever it is Brent Payne is up to.
That in itself is fine but then I noticed over on Tyler Hurst’s website the entry ‘Lemonade at Gangplank’ which contains the same trailer clip and also plugs the movie Lemonade.
Infact it seems Tyler’s been quite busy promoting Lemonade all over the internet.
Now I’m not suggesting for a second that there’s anything wrong with any of this but keep in mind Hurst is an internet marketing consultant for hire to market things. He’s not running around promoting things by pure co-incidence.
At the very least some cross promoting appears to be going on between Tyler Hurst’s interests and some of the content on Company Name TBA.
A second link between Hurst and Company Name TBA also exists in the form of a trackback (Hurst’s website directly links to Company Name TBA) on the blog entry ‘Personal Development Today’. The trackback entry is viewable as a comment at the bottom of the entry and leads back to Tyler Hurst’s website.
No doubt this was done to help Company Name TBA get a bit of SEO help from Hurst’s already established site.
After these two findings I’m pretty certain The connection between Tyler Hurst and Brent Payne’s Company Name TBA is there.
The question this raises is whether or not Brent Payne himself is actually producing any of the content on Company Name TBA himself. The fact that he’s got an internet marketer hosting the Company Name TBA website on their own personal webspace indicates no.
I wouldn’t at all be surprised if the sole purpose of the blog Company Name TBA was to create some search engine relevance in the form of backlinks for the keywords personal development. Naturally these backlinks will be directed at the website of Payne’s new company website, whenever he decides to launch it.
Very interesting points OZ. Brent Payne probably has some die hard followers that may help to launch his new venture when that time comes, even if it isn’t his content. But for all the fancy SEO, back links etc., people need to trust you to trust your opportunity.
There is so much rumour and speculation surrounding Brent Payne leaving Liberty League / Polaris Media; I imagine this would be enough to scare many people away once they start their due diligence.
Sure Brent Payne may be under a mountain of non disclosure agreements but the truth can always find its way out when necessary. It usually comes out in the end anyway.
In the name of “honesty” and “integrity” isn’t it time to forget the fancy teaser trailers and have the real story put forward Brent?
Some credibility needs to be restored before embarking on a new venture I’d have thought.
Yep. There is a “black book” out there of Brent’s “conquests” that occurred during his marriage. So sad. He definitely did not care about the other parties involved, either.
Why the heck would anyone sit and wait on his doorstep waiting until he is ready to start. Those people “waiting” are hardly leaders. They are followers. Hoping to be “luminaries.” Pathetic.
Seems sexier right now than Polaris. But that’s the only attraction.
Well, it looks like the news about Brent’s new company will be known on Monday, and there are a lot of followers from his Liberty League days that are anxiously awaiting.
He is apparently partnering up with a few ex-LLI people including the Varrone’s, Kaz Spence, and Pat McCleary, all top money makers that left LLI about the time of the Scientology news and change to the new company, Polaris.
I imagine this will be another win-lose kind of deal, where again, a few top percent people make money off of the rest, who often don’t have much to lose in their bank accounts.
Brent is no dummy. Wait. I’m assuming he’s no dummy. He’s watched every misstep by Shane and Rachel over the last nine months from the sidelines taking notes.
Anyone still left in Polaris will have to see this as a better solution. At least all of the non-Scientologists. But what happens once the ex-LLI database gets invited in?
Brent is no choir boy in the world of business and personal relationships. Google will remember. 🙂 And so will Oz and the many past associates.
Yes Kaz Spence is getting involved in the new company, however she did stay in Polaris long into the change over still encouraging people to put in big money stating she was making more than ever on the new system…. lies. Money hungry and superficial.
Today is the day…the pre-launch has officially gone on-line:
http://weareavant.com/en/#/en/income-opportunity/pre-launch-info
Same deal as Liberty League, costs more, a bit more profitable with bonus residuals. I imagine that with Polaris’ reputation the way it is, many people will jump ship to Brent’s new company Avant. Will be interesting to see.
Looks like Brent got smart, everyone that signs up during the “prelaunch” is fully qualified on all 3 levels, and is able to purchase the products at wholesale price. And I may be wrong but it doesn’t look like you have to pass up sales.
So a bit different from LLI, but the products are similar, with a personal development product and two types of events.
Yeah for $29.95 you can qualify at all levels – or they can stay with Polaris Global, sell non-existent products and spend what? $30,000 to qualify to sell the non-existent products?
This new company seems like such a contradiction…they are tied in with a good cause on their site, giving 1% back to help the planet, and then, on the other side, they are starting up the same kind of scam that LLI was, selling 3 products at ridiculous prices that are not really marketable by themselves.
It is a front once again for the top 3% (or less) to make a LOT of money at the expense of naive, trusting (been there, done that) people who are lead to believe that financial freedom is just a few sales away, and that anyone can do it if one just ‘follows’ the system.
Curious how they will train folks to market this new business. For now, people will just jump in and deal with the details later?
At least they offer a 72 day 100% money back guarantee on their personal development product. Beyond Freedom was a good product and many people did benefit personally by that. Not like the hastily thrown together piece that Krider did.
The comp plan is easier to understand though.
Great point, Lynn. The “sheeples” will jump in because it’s “free” but what happens when the smoke clears in 30 days and now you are back to marketing overpriced seminars that no one will buy without the opportunity?
Marketing advice from these guys “go out and make it happen” “go on a vacation and clear your head” “get into your Beyond Freedom”
And look at the leaders. What is the track record of duplication for all the chosen “luminaries?”
I am not a great contract reader, but here is the satisfaction guaranteed clause offered by Avant:
The COMPANY offers a seventy-two (72) day, 100% money-back satisfaction guarantee to all customers, contingent on the full completion of the course, and any other restrictions provided by the COMPANY.
Having met those restrictions, if a customer is dissatisfied with the COMPANY product, then the customer may return the product in its original package and shipping container, at the customer’s expense and risk, along with the original invoice receipt, to the same Avant Distribution Center from which the package was shipped, for either replacement or a full refund of the purchase price.
Is this a clean offer?
Uh… ‘other restrictions provided by the COMPANY’ is a bit vague. Also it’d be kinda crap to realise the programs not for you half way through it and then have to sit through another 30 odd days of it to get your refund.
Also although you’re required to ship Elevate back to the distribution centre, the clause doesn’t mention if the advisor or Avant themselves will wear the cost of the refund.
Kaz Spence has cleared up her position for anyone who is interested.
http://www.pitchengine.com/kaz-spence—scientology–polaris-not-for-me/65324/
I heard on the grapevine at the time that she did not care about the Scientology aspect of Polaris and didn’t see what all the fuss was about.
I think when the money ran low she was out very quickly and then went to TVI express. Don’t know how well she did there though.