Achieve sign AeroPay, shutdown support & booting investors?
Now that we have our Forum up, it is up to all of you to create the communication you want to have there.
Help each other with questions please, and if there are comments you don’t like don’t answer them, it isn’t necessary for anyone to be bothered by our members opinions.
The Forum is a place for everyone to have their say.
-Kristi Johnson, Achieve Community owner (December 15th, 2014)
Despite the above assurance from Kristi Johnson, it seems there are some things the company doesn’t want to address.
These likely include questions such as “where is my money?” and “can I get a refund?”
In response to “everyone having their say” in the Achieve Community forum, Troy Barnes announced earlier today that ‘we have put a stop to comments in the forum for now‘.
The move comes after mounting pressure for Achieve to connect their investors to their money.
Seeking to remedy the situation, it appears Achieve Community has now signed on a processor called AeroPay.
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One of the most common topics for complaint is payment: lack of payment, incorrect payment, untimely payment.
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Achieve investors are a ways off from withdrawing the 800% ROIs the company promised them though, with updates from the admins claiming their investors were “overloading” the system shortly after it went live.
In response to questions from affiliates regarding AeroPay, a relatively unknown player in the MLM payment processor field, Kristi Johnson advised:
DO NOT send questions to us until those instructions have arrived and DO NOT send support tickets to either Achieve or the Wallet account support until the instructions have been posted here. Your questions will NOT be answered.
We don’t have time for that OK? Please, just go along with this system for now.
Concerns from Achieve Community investors are understandable, considering the last time the company asked affiliates to sign up for one reports of credit card fraud shortly followed.
And speaking of fraud, not even twenty-four hours after informing affiliates to sign up with AeroPay through their Achieve back office, the issue of fraud is again in the spotlight.
Although this time it’s purportedly coming from Achieve’s investors rather than the company itself.
Some of our members who are NOT so nice – of which there are only a few. Have been sharing our sign up link and putting in false information.
Therefore the Processing Company have stopped sign ups for now so that we can ensure there is nothing in our system to stop you from getting paid.
Achieve investors who dare question the status quo meanwhile are being threatened with account termination.
Channel the very essence of a cult-leader, Troy Barnes writes
When we see for a fact that a member is causing trouble we will just take them out of Achieve.
This is a HAPPY place and we will just let the bad people go away. They don’t deserve our oxygen that’s for sure.
Whether or not Barnes refunds the money of investor’s accounts he terminates or just keeps the money for himself is unclear.
As to AeroPay, details are sketchy. But if you’re wondering what kind of payment processor takes on the risk of an MLM company advertising 800% ROIs who is also currently under US regulatory investigation, the answer is one that appears to be wracked with debt and desperate to collect transaction fees.
Registered in the UK, records from the end of 2012 show the AeroPay had assets of £60,157 with £93,064 owed in liabilities. The net worth of the company is as such quoted at £-32,907 (negative).
2013 wasn’t much better, with another report filed by the company listing end of year assets as £99,024 with £110,155 owed in liabilities.
The margin of loss is admittedly smaller but it seems AeroPay is having trouble keeping it’s debt under control. Somewhat worrying for a company that was incorporated back in 2005.
In Aero Pay’s financial reports, Rosanne Phyllis Day is listed as the company’s Director. Day is cited as residing in the Canadian province of British Columbia.
How someone residing in Canada came to be the Director of a relatively unknown payment processor purportedly operating out of the UK is a mystery.
Why Achieve Community, who are based in the US, don’t simply sign up with the multitude of legitimate US-based payment processors available is unclear.
The constant assurances of Achieve Community not being a Ponzi scheme by its owners certainly begs the question.
Also unclear is where AeroPay’s banking channels are, along with where Achieve Community themselves are currently keeping investor funds.
Unfortunately the only people able to hold the company accountable and demand such information, Achieve Community’s investors, are being threatened with a disconnect from the company and their invested funds if they dare ask.
Such is life in the Ponzi scheme arena.
yesterday glimdropper and me found some info on aerApay, which seemed like a legit processor.
but aerOpay, very similarly named [enough to create confusion], seems to be a ‘small company’, with aspirations about becoming a MLM processor:
inspite of being a smalltime cash crunched business, aeropay has, according to kristi – “Therefore the Processing Company have stopped sign ups for now”.
oops! will troy and kristi have to go processor hunting again??
if they have to go lower than aeropay, they will probably have to find someone with a flock of healthy pigeons, willing to fly to and fro, from here to there.
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It is true that Kristi remains under active investigation by the Colorado SEC. (Not US Federal regulatory investigation, as far as I know.) Yet, at the same time we see that their Facebook page continues to show people’s joy at being able to put more money in to the Chinese processor they’re using now.
Their Shenzen China processor had been lying on people’s credit card bills with a fake company name. But they’ve cleaned that up a little bit. The name now is something like
Work readyTachieve
but the nature of your purchase is still a lie, saying it is Men’s Clothing or whatever. Curiously, it is now $50, not the earlier $51.40.
It also remains true that Kristi clearly promised to have Payoneer send out US tax 1099 forms by the Federal deadline of Feb 2. And Troy rambled in a video two weeks later that *he* would send them. Go figure.
For reference, here is the link to their new processor, as found in their member sign up area.
cs4000.net/Achieve/member/ewallet_reg.asp
@Mark
Feel free to quote and link to specific posts on your Facebook group page, but don’t just link to the page itself as Facebook content is dynamic.
A few months from now what you have on the front page might be buried under new information, making it difficult for anyone who’s reading this particular article and its comments to make sense of it.
Comments referencing other sources should be made like this:
(applicable quote or explanation as to what information is available at the link)
(link itself pointing directly to said information)
Thank you. I’ll review which of our FB posts are solid and information-dense and put them up as appropriate.
You are really doing the great work here! I think these Achieve folks are on the ragged edge.
When they actually did come up with the new processor I was surprised; their Forum erupted in joy and they – for one brief, shining moment – were back in action.
Found this yesturday and thought this was great info to help shut down the releationship bwtween the processor and acheive.
I just started digging into this after I got home. The food chain seems to be Aerapay (Aerapass Limited) based in Hong Kong which seems to be owned by Currency Cloud Limited based out of the UK. And though I haven’t connected dots yet but Currency Cloud seems to be an authorized agent of PreCash Inc. out of Texas.
That took me a little longer to find out that it just did to type out, that’s the easy part. Part of what I like about scamworld is there’s always something new to learn, Currency Cloud is new to me.
They seem more of a tech company than anything else. Ever wonder how you can order a pizza from an app on your phone, get it delivered and paid for without handing the driver cash? Companies like Currency Cloud. That stuff is pretty cool when you get into the nuts and bolts.
How the hell these people got hooked up with Achieve? Now THAT is an open question.
Looks like Aerapay can do both bank to bank and card to bank transactions (perhaps even card to card). Two things I’d like help in finding out: First, what info does the back office sign up page ask for? And if (make that a big IF) Aerapay ever does process any transactions for Achieve what name (or names) are listed on the transaction reports?
Looks like it would be possible for Achieve to not use a merchant processing account in conjunction with this service but if they don’t there very well might be what’s called a “Swift Code” instead of a name.
If so it is VERY important that this code(s) get’s forwarded to the Colorado Division of Securities, they would be able to determine where Achieve’s bank account(s) are located.
IMHO the Aeropay UK address is a mail drop. Searching Google shows dozens of different companies with the same address, and Google Maps says address goes into center of a shopping mall. I’ll bet you it’s a Mailbox company inside the mall.
Many of the companies that share the same address are woo-ish companies like “Fruit Ketone Slim” or something similar.
@SEC
Aerapay or Aeropay?
Affiliate chatter I saw mentioned Aeropay. I haven’t seen anything about AeraPay.
(Thus far we’ve had AerPay and AeraPay mentioned… how many freaking Aer* payment processor name variations are there?!)
What’s interesting is AeroPay may be related to PacNet Services.
Check Who.is historical DNS function revealed the aeropay domain was originally owned by PacNet Services, which is an international payment processing company. And the domain was indeed registered back in 2005.
PacNet services is based in Vancouver, BC, Canada.
linkedin.com/company/pacnet-services-ltd.
IMHO, you’re looking at either a SpinOff or a subsidiary.
Confirmed, Subsidiary. Primary shareholder in AeroPay is “PacNet Holdings Ltd.”
check-business.co.uk/business/05648577/aeropay-limited
So uh… do these guys know one of their subsidiaries is getting into bed with Ponzi schemes then?
One wonders if there’s any practical difference between an Achieve account and a “terminated” Achieve account.
Neither of them is worth anything and I can’t imagine there’s an prestige attached to having an account with a non-paying HYIP ponzi fraud, so why would anyone be worried about Troy “terminating” them or their account ??
FOMO, LRM. FOMO (Fear of Missing Out, i.e. *maybe* Kristi and Troy can pull a rabbit out of a hat… they already “lost”, they won’t get anything if they bad mouth K and T. If they shut up there’s a tiny chance they will (as least they think so, hah!)
(You can’t hide from Google!) 😀 (Except the dark net)
Aeropay Ltd are linked (common directors) with Pacnet Services Ltd, a company with the same address in England.
They also shared a legal dispute [high-court-justice.vlex.co.uk/vid/claim-hq07x01963-52791983]
Not sure what’s going, but Achieve Community web properties are down.
Standby…
According to Troy there is nothing to worry about. They are just doing maintenance on the sites.
Now stop and think about this statement of his for just a moment. Today was supposed to be the day that the payments were to resume to the members, but the sites are down for maintenance? Seriously Troy?
I also heard that AeroPay was having their system overloaded and causing it to have downtime.
Do you all have anything else better to do with your lives except try to bring Achieve down which clearly will not happen. Just sad.
Apparently investigators are looking for videos and whatnot, which contain the Ponzi promises.
The $50–>$400 promise is in this archives video: (Ozedit: Third-party name removed on request), all they have to do is go to the Internet Wayback Machine. The videos and whatnot are all there.
Here’s an example which shows the Ponzi aspect $50 –> $400.
web.archive.org/web/20141218013840/http://readytoachieve.com/
it’s coming down all on it’s own due to the laws of mathematics.
Tell me, how did you really think they could make money out of thin air? If you really think they could, you shouldn’t have money in your hand in the first place.
There’s a massive difference between “trying to bring Achieve down” and warning people, ponzis and pyramids, by their very nature, will eventually bring themselves down.
Acheive shut down case, I have all the videos that any investigator will need from any USA state or Feds will need to shut down Achieve.
Simply contact OZ with your email and office phone and i will be very happy to send them to you.
Secwatchin, you’re doing the work that benefits all of us. Thanks.
For my part, I have some pretty cool Facebook threads that were deleted, with lots of multi-thousand-dollar investors talking about going to law enforcement. This would be in, say, mid December, before their full-blown Facebook censorship kicked in. There were also responses from folks that I now think are kingpins.
And, there’s a neat Facebook archive in which a guy asked “Hey – where do you live?” That one has a little over one thousand names on Facebook, responding with their whereabouts.
Same offer applies if an investigator wants these files too. Contact Oz and I will be happy to respond.
I just checked and the readytoachieve website is back online. The next update should be quite entertaining as to why payments have not started yet as they said they would. Of course it will be AeroPay’s fault.
My question is if all of you obviously can check the forum area of this “Ponzi” scheme does that make you an accessory to this type of crime since in order to check updates you have to buy a position.
Is it a bit hypocritical on your part. Just a question.
Reading information != participating in a Ponzi scheme.
That should be pretty obvious.
It could mean you access to someone who is happy to feed information from the forum…
Or be someone who discovered too late he / she had become part of a HYIP ponzi fraud…
Or, as was the case with Telexfree, AdSurf Daily and Zeek Rewards, be a government agent collecting evidence.
@Lynndel
I’m still getting a “default webpage diagnostic”. If it’s working on your end, sounds like it’s a DNS propagation issue – which indicates Achieve changed hosting providers.
Wonder why…
Notice and Take Down via a court order served to their website host?
in that case troy/kristi would not be so quick to change hosting.
even stupid people can feel fear.
@anjali
I’m not so sure. They seem pretty determined not to let anything stop them until they’re arrested.
Troy Barns still calling shots in Achieve? I thought, as Kristi told us a month ago, that he left Achieve forever for some reasons?
even he stated he was ‘leaving’. do you really expect scammers to tell the truth? (rhetorical)
@whip he has been back since a month and a half ago
Yall just make up the stupidest stuff, if there was a court order the site would have went down and it didn’t only part of the site that went down was the forum area, and its back up as of a couple hrs ago. Yall reaching for anything to start rumors.
@Mike
This is false. All Achieve Community web properties were down.
By court order, I guess you mean a temporary restraining order? Like the one SEC got to shut down Zeek?
Such thing would be filed under seal, and only when investigators gathered enough evidence to convince a judge… AND make sure they got all the top participants.
Don’t bet on knowing when the authorities decide how much is enough. From Zeek, we know the Feds had been investigating it for MONTHS, even had some undercover agents joined as member, recorded all the videos, and more, AS WELL AS tracked its finances, i.e. they KNOW Zeek’s about to go net negative revenue.
But then, I guess you’re one of those who won’t quit until you see teh writing on the wall… and even then you won’t believe the writing.
I just checked the website and noticed that at the bottom of the home page it appears this is being hosted out of South Korea. Here is what was showing at the bottom of the page:
Aeropay has no relationship with Achieve, either now or in the past. Achieve has not engaged Aeropay to process payments, nor has Aeropay had any discussions or contact whatsoever with Achieve at any point in time.
The comments and article above stating that Achieve has signed Aeropay Ltd., the UK company, as its processor are entirely false.
no shit. he’s the one who said he was leaving. you may have missed that part along with all the red flags that show this a scam. you’re not getting your money back. lol
and you still have yet to explain why they can’t just set up bank transfer right here in the good ole US of A.
It’s currently being hosted on OrangeWebsite.com Iceland
Yes it says “Troy Barnes and cooperation” in Korean. Korean address is probably from the Korean web company that did work on their website. This address is also listed on few other Chinese and Russian websites.
WHosted out of Iceleand, but registered in Colorando
@Miles
That’s interesting.
This was published on the Achieve Community forum a few days ago:
Have they perhaps signed up with you under a bogus company name (like they have in the past)?
@whip At the end of the day really doesn’t matter what you try to do Achieve is here and is not going anywhere. So you can stay broke and bash all you want.
I was paid and will continue to be paid. Good luck bro.
Lots of faith there in a program that hasn’t paid in months.
but registered for 2 months only??
from whois:
Updated Date: 06-feb-2015
Expiration Date: 11-apr-2015
generally, registration is for an year, isn’t it?
are you reading the achieve articles here, mike?
behindmlm and PPblog have confirmed colorado DORA is investigating achieve. you own member mark bell, also seems to be aware of this investigation.
do you have information that says otherwise, on which you base your contention that, ‘Achieve is here and is not going anywhere’?
besides ‘faith’, of course.
Updates != registration date. Just means changes were made. Ie. All the crap about maintenance from Achieve admins is BS.They changed hosting providers and had to update the name-servers.
That was what was recorded on the domain registration record.
Doesn’t seem to have been planned so maybe their previous host gave them the boot.
well, there have been two updates in the past 12 hours, which have apparently not reached here, yet.
where is mark bell?
Yeah it doesn’t take upwards of a week to hook up a payment processor…
Here’s the backoffice link to their payment processor posted by Mark Bell (?) prior:
cs4000.net/Achieve/member/ewallet_reg.asp
I have contacted the michigan and virgina Ag offices and am hoping to hear back soon on wether they will open up a formal investigation into this ponzi scam. will report back as soon as i get a response.
Boris: Thanks for that. Since I could not read Korean I wasn’t sure if it was their host or not so just took a guess. With Achieve nothing on their website is real, so not surprised this wasn’t their host.
Mike I can’t wait for you to come back here when this officially goes belly-up and apologize to everyone. You will be back and apologize, right? Yeah right.
I was going to say when pigs fly, but I saw a super bowl commercial that had a pig flying so I will just say when donkey’s fly you’ll be back.
Nice bid to turn this back on Achieve critics/media. That’s never before happened in Stepfordian Ponzi Land. (Sarcasm.)
No need to put “Ponzi” in quotes. Achieve was an obvious Ponzi scheme. There also was no need for any critic/reporter to throw down $50 to “buy a position.” That’s because the private forum was leaking like a sieve. It’s also because one or more Stepfordian network marketers recorded scenes from inside their back offices/forum and made the scenes available to a wide audience on YouTube.
The “accessories” to this type of crime are the willfully blind hucksters who promote “programs” by regurgitating the vomitous talking points advanced by the scammers-in-chief.
This is why cases against HYIP frauds typically allege a conspiracy involving the principals and persons known and unknown to the grand jury/charging agency.
Of course, sometimes the serial promoters become known. That’s why Matt Gagnon, who was promoting Ponzi-board “program” Legisi and other frauds in text pitches and in video, is sitting in federal prison.
Legisi, like Achieve, started a private forum. Hell, page after page of content from that forum appears in federal court filings. Those pages didn’t come from critics/reporters who joined Legisi; they came from the “program” members who were being scammed.
Side note: The NarcThatCar scam collapsed in part because reporters/media took hidden cameras into “program” meetings.
Along those lines, I noticed in court filings yesterday that an entity that identified itself as a church sent $10,000 to the Zeek scammers. In the Zeek case, of course, one of the charges is selling unregistered securities as investment contracts “in the form of Premium Subscriptions and VIP Bids.”
Achieve has a much higher compressed ROI than even Zeek. Any one of dozens of agencies could charge Achieve with selling unregistered securities in the form of “positions” in a matrix cycler.
The self-identified church sent this money on Aug. 8, 2012, nine days before the collapse. Too bad the church apparently didn’t know about BehindMLM.com.
In any event, a bank allegedly stopped payment on the church’s cashier’s check in violation of the UCC. In essence, the church got back its money, but now the Zeek receiver is going after the bank for stopping payment on the church’s check and 23 others, totaling $83,800.
Like Achieve, Zeek was presented as “passive.” Also like Achieve, members of the faith community got sucked in.
Achieve is under investigation in Colorado (at least). Other than confirming the probe, Colorado isn’t saying anything.
Previous cases (Profitable Sunrise, WCM777) show that other states may follow the actions of a state-level colleague.
And, of course, the AdSurfDaily and TelexFree (and Legisi) cases show that federal undercover investigations may begin weeks or months before the public knows.
From prosecution filings in the TelexFree criminal case:
The document also asserts the government — once inside TelexFree — used an undercover bank account and tied it to a TelexFree “eWallet” — and began to receive payments from TelexFree.
PPBlog
lol. pretty funny you have to assume anyone that exposes your scam must be broke. you’re still not getting any money, and I’m the one that’s broke? lol. you’re a fool.
Well, we can say this about Mike. It is entirely probable he has been paid in 2014, which is precisely the fuel that gets Ponzis ticking along at a high speed.
It’s the truth, he does tell everyone, and things take off. (Although, an awful lot of people who Made Money from Achieve saw it in the form of distributions and not actual cash. But at least their balances grew and grew.)
I just about guarantee that no one will ever be paid again.
@Mike bell bro you are a hypocrite you are in Achieve yourself, whats your point. Worry about yourself we good on our end.
Just noticed something. I googled the address in South Korea and I got this website:
powerfeng.com/index.php?main_page=specials
Which at the bottom says:
So Aeropay was a lie.
What’s interesting is Haspay is based in China.
haspay.com.cn/?page_id=2
You think they swapped yet another vendor thus another delay?
When the name-calling starts, you know they ran out of any pretense that it’s legal…
I was looking at this as they are one of the ones laundering the incoming cash.
Achieve community promoters need to be jailed, simple if you see anybody promoting this illegal security including marketing materials like websites, videoss etc, please contact the investigator in colorado with as much information as possible.
Very interesting. When I looked at this address I found few small retail website related to it. I thought this was web designing company that did work on those retail websites.
Now this address could be related to another scummy web processor. I should have looked deeper knowing that Achieve is looking for presessor. Damn it.
Under an update post on Troy’s timeline, there’s a comment about EuroPay being their payment processor.
don’t forget there are people complaining about the names they are finding on their credit cards after trying to dump money into this scam. I would bet they match some of the ‘retail’ names you found.
EuroPay, AeroPay, HasPay… I can’t keep up.
Apparently Achieve Community’s new payment processor is so dodgy Barnes has to make a video instructing investors on how to sign up with them.
Nobody is allowed to sign up with *pay until the video goes live.
i don’t think it was a lie, but a failure.
oz found a back office communication of a member saying that he had been contacted by aeropay. kristi made a comment that the new processor had stopped sign ups. this indicates aeropay got cold feet and opted out.
a google search of ‘achieve community’ throws up articles from behindmlm.com, ethanvanderbuilt.com and realscam.com on the first page itself. it’s highly improbable that any payment processor can Miss the Information that ‘achieve’ is under investigation.
haspay, china, seems to be the only route available to troy/kristi, since they are adamant to not give up, and continue the fraud in Full Public View.
Just like the final days of Zeek. Any one up for a round of deja vu?
somebody from haspay china, posted about the company, on yahoo answers :
haspay should totally get someone to proof-read their posts, for spelling and grammatical mistakes, before they expect the world to pump money into their system.
It’s probably machine-translated, anjali.
maybe, but do machine translations have spelling mistakes? i’m not sure.
The Acheive Community update from your really LOOSER Troy Scammer Barnes,
Original below
apparently not if you have to make a video telling people how to do it and they may have to watch it numerous times to get it right.
I’m pretty sure just a simple bank transfer would have been ‘easy’
There is an active investigation into Achieve. I cannot say more as the information is confidential but rest assured they have it coming to them. It’s now a serious matter.
Be aware that the payment processors know it’s a PONZI SCAM. This clues us in as to why all the payment processor troubles.
That was always my assumption with Payoneer dumping them. They had to have twigged to Achieve being a Ponzi.
I was actively offended by the preposterous claim that “Payoneer dumped us because they could not handle our fast growth.” Achieve in its finest moment was probably somewhere in the six figures, although they claimed $2M or more had been paid. Payoneer has customers vastly larger than $2M.
The other thing that consistently creeps me out is the basically religious support. “Believe in keeping everything positive. Kristi loves you and has a plan for your life.” (Well, OK, she never said that. As far as I know.)
This whole thing has a resemblance to the vaccine controversy. Evidence, for some people, simply fails to carry the day.
@Oz
Thanks for your response. We went on the Achieve Community and have been searching for that message but can’t find it so far.
Is that the only evidence that Aeropay processes for the Achieve Community?
I would be interested in seeing the original “Aero Pay” email from whomever published it to see if we can trace the source. When we signed up with Achieve we received an email citing ipaydna.biz in our payment advice.
AeroPay does not work in this sector, does not provide card processing and does not contact individual consumers by email.
I agree that one of the companies we work for may be involved at some level with Achieve Community but so far we have not found any evidence of that among our transactions. So I don’t believe we are involved.
@Miles
It was originally published on the Achieve Forum, they tend to delete a lot of stuff there so if it’s disappeared that’s not unexpected.
The name AeraPay has popped up since, but we’re still waiting on something official from the company. If it is AeraPay and the affiliate made a typo naturally I’ll update this article to reflect that.
Re. iPayDNA, they are/were used for incoming funds (investment), outgoing funds were supposedly going to be handled by AeraPay/AeroPay.
From the sounds of it if AeroPay doesn’t provide withdrawl processor services then it’s looking to be AeraPay. I guess we’re both stuck waiting for Barnes to release this information.
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Hey i have been reading all these posts and I am concerned about aerapay they have my identity, whats a person suppose to do?
Just curious, whatever possessed you to pass your details to some dodgy company that you never heard of before?
What for that matter possessed you to join Achieve in the first place?
Had you heard of the trusted admins before and huge successes they had in their previous business ventures?
Did you REALLY believe the ridiculous 400% ROI they boasted.
What kind of due diligence did you do before you joined Achieve?