Saivian Review: $125 in, $5 to $3000 daily ROIs out
The Saivian website domain (“saivian.net”) was registered on the 30th of October 2015, however the domain registration is set to private.
Identified as President of Saivian on its website is John Sheehan.
As per Sheehan’s Saivian corporate bio:
Mr. Sheehan achieved success in complex organizations such as, network marketing, retail and non-profits.
John has worked and sold products to mlm companies, owned wireless stores in 6 states and have set records in membership and donations for non-profits.
Despite these claims, I was unable to find any specific information on Sheehan’s purported MLM history.
Of note is that his Saivian profile photo was the same used on his LinkedIn profile. A Google image search still ties the image to Sheehan’s LinkedIn profile, however the profile itself was recently deleted.
An additional point of interest is Saivian’s Marketing Director, Steve Gewecke.
Gewecke first popped up on BehindMLM’s radar back in 2012, as a VIP Founder of US Utility Direct.
Who owned US Utility Direct was never disclosed, with the company failing to launch on its advertised June 30th, 2012 launch date.
In August 2014 Gewecke resurfaced as the President of MyNyloxin.
MyNyloxin saw affiliates pay between $300 and $1500 for affiliate membership, with commissions paid out when they recruited new affiliates.
Today the MyNyloxin website domain is unresponsive.
Read on for a full review of the Saivian MLM business opportunity.
The Saivian Product Line
Saivian has no retailable products or services, with affiliates only able to market Saivian affiliate membership itself.
Bundled with Saivian affiliate membership is access to a third-party ecommerce portal. This portal however has nothing to do with the Saivian MLM business opportunity.
The Saivian Compensation Plan
The Saivian compensation plan sees affiliates pay $125 every 28 days, with commissions paid out when they recruit others who do the same.
Commission sin Saivian are tracked via a unilevel compensation structure.
A unilevel compensation structure places an affiliate at the top of a unilevel team, with every personally recruited affiliate placed directly under them (level 1):
If any level 1 affiliates go on to recruit new affiliates, they are placed on level 2 of the original affiliate’s unilevel team.
If any level 2 affiliates recruit new affiliates, they are placed on level 3 and so on and so forth down a theoretical infinite number of levels.
Commissions in Saivian are paid out daily, with how much of a commission paid out determined by the size of a Saivian affiliate’s recruited downline.
- recruit three affiliates = $5 a day commission
- a downline of 12 recruited affiliates = $20 a day
- a downline of 39 recruited affiliates = $30 a day
- a downline of 80 recruited affiliates = $50 a day
- a downline of 150 recruited affiliates = $100 a day
- a downline of 300 recruited affiliates = $150 a day
- a downline of 500 recruited affiliates = $200 a day
- a downline of 750 recruited affiliates = $300 a day
- a downline of 1000 recruited affiliates = $500 a day
- a downline of 2000 recruited affiliates = $750 a day
- a downline of 4000 recruited affiliates = $1000 a day
- a downline of 6000 recruited affiliates = $2000 a day
- a downline of 8000 recruited affiliates = $3000 a day
Note that three personally recruited and paid up affiliates must me maintained in order to qualify for commissions.
Also note that no more than 50% of the required affiliate downline can be counted from any one unilevel leg.
At the 1000 recruited affiliates pay rank this percentage decreases to 35%.
Affiliate membership with Saivian is $125 every 28 days.
The math behind Saivian is pretty simple.
You cough up $125, people join after you and you get a cut of their $125 fee.
So long as everyone continues to pay their 28 day fee and new affiliates are recruited, the scheme stays afloat.
The shopping side of Saivian might be legit, but ultimately has nothing to do with the MLM component of the business opportunity.
That being straight up chain-recruitment, which drags Saivian into pyramid scheme territory.
Of note is that, due to purported chargeback abuse (people at the bottom of such schemes don’t like getting screwed out of money), Saivian only accepts funds through checking accounts.
Why can I only use my checking account to pay for my membership?
Your checking account that you use for your membership payment will also be used to send your verified and approved Cash Back redemptions through ACH.
We do not accept credit cards due to chargeback abuse.
As with all pyramid schemes, once recruitment of new affiliates dies down, so too will Saivian’s commission payouts.
Being a daily ROI setup ($125 in, $5 to $3000 out a day), this will manifest itself via payment problems.
Numbers on a screen payments will likely continue, with Saivian affiliates only realizing the scheme has collapsed once they attempt actual withdrawals.
At the top of the scheme are likely a bunch of positions held by John Sheehan and friends, who will head up the company-wide unilevel.
This will see them reap the lion’s share of monthly fees paid in, with everyone else bar a few early adopters losing out.
This program will be the equivalent of a “pump and dump” stock!
Oz, if you dig a little deeper, you will find that some of the same guys at the top of this also launched that ridiculous “Bitcoin All Access” program less than 2 months ago, which also offeres “cash back” on groceries, dining, gas, etc.
It didn’t have the same popularity as this one due to the fact that it only accepted Bitcoin as a form of payment.
And if you want to see how far down the rabbit hole this really goes, accepting checks is a classic tactic used by scam programs created by convicted criminal “Eric J Dalius” aka “E.J.” (the name he has used in several of his last schemes).
Just do a little research and you will see that Eric Dalius ran the following scam programs that defrauded people out of millions (in which all of the latter programs only accepted “checks” for payment): Foreclosure Network USA (FNUSA), Professional Realty Enterprises, Inc, C.O.R.E Team System, GasUpUSA, My Travel Club USA, Telecom Solutions, US Gold Index, Mozeena, etc., etc.
He is a convicted criminal in the state of Pennsylvania and was investigated by the F.B.I.
As far as Steve Gewecke, he and Eric are “thick as thieves,” as they usually promote the same scam companies together.
E.J. is already a top promoter and guest speaker at live meetings in Bethlehem, P.A. for this B.S. opportunity. In another 3 or 5 months, it too will go the way of the dinosaurs like all his other bogus companies.
And don’t be fooled when others tell you he isn’t the one who’s really pulling the strings like Mr. Geppetto! Anyone that he works with, who doesn’t have a criminal record, can show their faces on a website like the strawmen they are!
The Freedom of Information act is a wonderful thing, and it’s a shame that more people don’t do their due diligence before blindly joining scam programs destined to fail, then getting blindsided when it gets shut down or simply collapses. Caveat Emptor!
Eric has been cleared of everything you state in the above article… Just figured you should be made aware.
Hold up, I didn’t write about Dalius.
Can someone confirm whether Dalius is involved in Saivian or not? Otherwise I’m smelling an offtopic derail attempt.
Dalius and Gewecke are thick as proverbial thieves but I’ll leave it to Craig K to fill in any more details of “EJ” being involved in Savian.
As to “Top Gun’s” post Dalius wiggled out of one state’s AG’s investigation into one of his schemes and seems to hope his potential marks believe that exonerates him in perpetuity.
If that were true why isn’t he out front using his full name? (Answer: Dalius is a rather uncommon name and very easy to search for and our boy Eric has a past he’s trying to outrun.)
OZ, the comment should have been directed towards Craig K.
Fair enough. Seeing as you appear to know a bit about Dalius though, can you confirm if he does or doesn’t have anything to do with Saivian?
Yes he is known as known as the lead consultant of Saivian
Oz, how can I contact you directly?
Contact button is on the top right of every webpage.
A person can receive the rebates without sponsoring anyone.
Uni-level compensation plans are not considered as ponzi schemes in the industry.
All companies take several corporate positions, this is not unusual in the industry.
If one elects to participate as a business opportunity their success will depend on the effort they put forth.
I do not know the people involved but have Googled them and seems like the Eric guy was cleared in court back in 2004.
Many people start businesses that fail. So not really sure what the big problem is.
Been in the industry for 30+ years this one looks like a no brainier …why not get paid for shopping and the comp plan isn’t bad?
Which is a passive ROI, paid out of newly invested funds.
Using newly invested funds to pay existing investors with is, which is what Saivian does.
What “all companies” do or don’t do is irrelevant.
You already acknowledge that recruitment isn’t required, so “effort” = amount of funds invested.
The problem is the Ponzi business model, everything else is just noise.
30+ years of MLM and you have no problems with a blatant Ponzi scheme? That’s depressing…
source please. you scammers love to trot this crap out with absolute nothing to back it up. And other scam failures are not ‘businesses’. Banners broker failed. It was a scam and not a business.
Its an epidemic, yes the leadership has NO integrity, yet it is what the masses chase, a MONEY deal, no real product.
No excuse for the owners, who have a lousy track record, yet always win for themselves.
The last in will get taken advantage of. yet really the fools that follow them, do they NOT look at the relevance of a so called Opportunity, you must have CUSTOMERS and you must have a PRODUCT!
These are the scum that really hurt the MLM Industry!
I said: A person can receive the rebates without sponsoring anyone.
You replied: Which is a passive ROI, paid out of newly invested funds.
My Reply: It is very obvious that you do not know MLM LAW…it is favorable for a company to allow a person to participate in a company WITHOUT sponsoring anyone. Saivian has people who only want to purchase a membership, turn in the purchase receipts and receive the rebates on those purchases. Has nothing to do with a “passive ROI, paid out of newly invested funds.”
I said: If one elects to participate as a business opportunity their success will depend on the effort they put forth.
You replied: You already acknowledge that recruitment isn’t required, so “effort” = amount of funds invested.
My reply: NOT TRUE…SEE ABOVE
I would suggest you all do some research on compensation plans and the ones that pass the test with the authorities and you will find that a Uni-level passes the test.
Maybe those here making some of the comments have had bad experiences with some of the people involved, like I said I don’t know them but Eric was cleared in 2004 of the charges. May be time to let it go.
OZ, I SENT YOU THE ACTUAL COURT DOCUMENT…ANY COMMENT ON THAT???
(Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempts removed)
Not when you’re using newly invested funds to pay off existing investors. That’s first and foremost a securities offering and secondly a Ponzi scheme.
The only “purchase” required is Saivian affiliate membership every 28 days. Recruit enough affiliates and then collect a $3000 daily ROI.
Hmmm gee, I wonder where that money comes from.
The issue isn’t the unilevel, it’s the payment of a $125 position which pays out a $3000 ROI once enough subsequent investors have been recruited.
I never brought up Eric, someone else did.
@ justSayin…. The Saivian compensation plan is not a unilevel it’s a typical Binary with the option to build out a third leg.
I suggest you do some research on how compensation plans work before you comment in the future!
As for my opinion of Saivian it’s not going to be around very long… Where’s the Retail???
wow didn’t even mentioned the product. wow
When it’s got nothing to do with the MLM business opportunity, why bother?
You invest, you get paid with subsequently invested funds. That’s all that’s happening here.
Success leaves clues, and failure leaves clues. The Saivian leadership has left a path of destruction within previous business ventures.
One of two things are happening, they have no long term vision, or they do not have the skills to build a big business.
By the way, there is no corporate location listed, no corporate phone number, and the President John has left no trace through the internet. I think this company is being operated out of someone’s basement.
I will be surprised if this company makes it 6 months.
The corporate office is located on Madison Avenue in Manhattan NY. It’s pretty much a shared rental space otherwise it was previously run out of someone’s basement.
There is also no compliance department. Everything is being controlled by a few clueless individuals.
I give the run a bit longer than 6 months maybe a year tops… T
Glad I read your review, was just approached about this today and was seriously considering joining.
I knew it sounded to good to be true. Glad I did some investigation
Oz, can you explain in details what a Ponzi scheme is? I am just curious to see what your take is on this matter.
Newly invested funds are used to pay off existing investors.
It’s pretty straight forward.
First we have to define what an investment is: A scheme where you put in money doing little to no work and expecting profit.
A ponzi scheme: a fake investment scheme where funds from new investors are used to pay off old investors (both principle and interest). As there is no real investment growth, losers will outnumber the winners eventually and the scheme will collapse.
Saivian, according to Oz, has no retailable product or service, and thus it qualifies as an investment due to periodic fees.
Furthermore, it has no visible income revenue OTHER then periodic member fees, and thus, logically any payout would be from those fees. Thus, new member money used to pay old members. Thus, ponzi scheme.
Does anyone know the identity of the companies SAVIAN claims as marketing partners? Who are the companies who are paying SAVIAN for their marketing data?
There is no mention of who these partners are on the SAVIAN’s website. The website refers to them as “our marketing partners” then says the following:
Unless SAVIAN actually has “marketing partners” that are footing the bill for the 20% cash back in exchange for the marketing data they claim to be generating, they are a scam. Period, end of story.
And this is extremely doubtful (more like impossible) since each member can name their own ten companies (including local “mom and pop” businesses) from which to be paid the 20% cash back.
Does anyone really believe that SAVIAN has marketing data sales contracts with all these local businesses?
Therefore, SAVIAN necessarily must be paying existing members’s commissions with money obtained from new members, and the only way this practice can be sustained is by constantly recruiting new members to pay the concurrent profits being raked off by the owners of SAVIAN and the commissions of existing members.
This type of arrangement is by definition a PONZI scheme.
It will take awhile (maybe even a long while) before new recruiting revenue cannot support the owner’s profits and the earned commissions of existing members, but it will happen. And when that happens, those unfortunate enough to be new to the business will be the ones that get left holding the proverbial bag.
In the mean time, the founders will have made a lot of money and won’t really care that others have gotten royally screwed. For them, it is likely on to the next scam.
As always, just my opinion, I could be wrong.
(Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempts removed. Ponzi scams are illegal the world over for good reason.)
@Scott, you are 100% spot on with your post. Rumor has it the Lead consultant Eric Dalius stepped down and handed the reigns over to Former North American power National Director Kevin Marino who is now the companies Master distributor!
Dalius is still involved and I’m sure gets overrides on the binary.
This whole company is twisted up like a pretzel. It’s only a matter of time until the proverbial Shit hits the fan!
@ OZ, If Saivian really has no marketing partner’s… How are they legally able to advertise 20% cash back on stores like Costco, Walmart, Exxon, Home Depot, Lowes, etc. ECT….
Uh… because nothing is stopping a 2bit Ponzi from doing so?
The cash back is probably gift cards and such, which anyone can buy (with invested funds).
Ultimately whatever is attached to the $125 in, $5 to $3000 ROI out model is irrelevant.
The way I was explained on the cash back was folks enter their receipts into a portal in the back office, then the information is sold off to the marketing partner’s who then in return pay Saivian for that information.
I just can’t see what agency or agencies are going to pay for information like this…
Maybe a few months at best probably around the same time Saivian will collapse. Time will tell I suppose. So many people are going to get burned! What a shame
That’s a lot different to “20% cashback when you shop at these stores”.
It’s marketing baloney. Just a ruse to cover transferring newly invested funds to existing affiliates.
And you’d be absolutely right.
1) If the orders were from merchants themselves they already have the data or can be tracked from their own loyalty cards. Why would they pay 25% of the receipt for their own data?
2) If the orders were NOT from merchants themselves then this gets into MAJOR privacy issues, not to mention 25% of the receipt?
3) How many participating merchants is Saivian getting to make the data acquisition via Saivian worthwhile? Depends on how many Saivian shoppers there are, but unless Saivian members already are in the millions data is worthless, and certain not worth 25% of the receipt value.
Logic dictates that this “enter the receipt for 20% cashback” is “busy work”, i.e. just to force you to do something to make you think you’re “earning” your money.
It’s called “contra-freeloading” (used in zoos by zookeepers to prevent the animals from being bored to death), much like TelexFree and Zeek said “just post ads” to make your outrageous daily “growth”.
The general principles sounds semi-plausible… until you look at it more closely.
It Disgusts me that a company like this is able to stay in business! No Marketing partners, taking funds directly from checking accounts???
Seriously I’ve never heard of such a thing in MLM…
Eric Dalius and Steve Gweckes former scams and charges! and last but not least how Dalius handed the Reigns over to Kevin Marino then vanishes like a Fart in the wind yet him and friends still hold top spots with sweetheart deals I’m sure…
100% PONZI STAY AWAY FROM “SAIVIAN”
This is a scam unless you plan on paying for EVERYTHING on your credit card.
They misrepresent the way the program works leading you to believe you will not be charged in the first month you join. I joined on the 10th and turned around the very next day the 11th and cancelled my membership in less then a 24 hour period. My “DUE DATE” was Feb. 6,2016.
The very next day (12th) after I cancelled they deducted the $125 out of my bank plus in doing so they caused an over draft charge on my account… which is what I was trying to avoid as I did not have 3 others under me yet and I can not afford the over draft charges.
Just an update to my previous post…I submitted it through the support page and this is the reply I received today from it
I just wish I had found this review before I made the stupid mistake of thinking it was real and honest. Hard Lesson learned the hard way.
No refund, hahahahaha. That’s because they paid the folks who recruited you already.
No Refund… I would file a complaint with the FTC, SEC, BBB and your state Attorney general’s office.
Saivian is a Blatant Pomzi and needs to be shut down! UGHHH
K Chang… nope the person I joined under also cancelled and the person she joined under has not been paid yet.
Jimmy done the FTC, IC3, yep. BBB they are not listed with but I did email domainsbyproxy as they are the listed organization for them.
Guess they are in more financial problems than we expected.
Haha yeah K Chang Financial troubles and they just started… sad part is the “Mavericks”, at the top are laughing all the way to the Bank.
This is very interesting…why would someone set their domain registration to private?
For non-business domains it’s usually privacy. For an MLM company though there’s no excuse, a private domain registration is an instant red flag.
@SH, @ OZ, the domain is most likely registered to Eric Dalius AKA E.J. He is heavily involved with Saivian but won’t dare to put his name on anything that’s in the public eye.
I am seeing that no one, no one has actually gotten any cash back rebates.
I’ve even asked around to people that joined end of November & December. So the only answer I’m getting is, “It takes 45-60 days to get your cash back rebate.”
So, with that… The membership is $125 every 28 days. Plus you can not click redeem until 30 days. So, do the math on that:
Month 1 $125.00 MEMBERSHIP
Month 2 $125.00 MEMBERSHIP
Add 30 days we’re into month 3 waiting on cash back of $125. You can only claim $125 in a 30 day period.
Another membership is billed at $125.00 on month 3 now.
That’s 3 months of kicking around cash of $375.00. A genius plan for the people collecting the cash. To the member wanting a rebate, that’s NUTS!
Tremendous loss for the average person. No way to market this and lie to people.
PS… you can’t redeem for more then $125.00 during a 30 day period. (remember to wait 45-60 days!) Now, that’s odd too!
DO THE LOSING MATH – THE COMPANY HAS DONE THE MATH.
Once again, no one has shown any proof of actual cash back rebates on video, pictures, nothing.
@ Suzi lost out:
I would seriously like to see someone from SCAMIAN explain what you just wrote.
Just so you know you are not the first person I have heard this from. I urge you to file a complaint with the FTC your The state of New York’s Attorney General’s office and the SEC. Good luck to you.
Thank you ALL for the heads up… I was approached by a very trusted friend with this today. I don’t think even she realizes how she’s been taken!
I will NOT be participating and I’m hoping to convince her to get out while she can! Thanks AGAIN!
Welcome to the land of Oz!
I have to disagree with there being no excuse for the private domain registration. I have mine set to private because (Ozedit: You’re not an MLM opportunity.)
^^ If you’re an MLM opportunity (a business), there’s no excuse for a private domain registration. It’s a red flag for any business.
Individuals are another matter. That should be obvious.
I was just contacted by a close friend who is still involved with Saivian and holds a leadership position with the company, earning in excess of $300 per day!
Here is the Mind Blower… Saivian started back in October and has yet to pay out a dime of the 20% cash back to anyone in the entire company!! WHAT?? That’s correct not a dime folks!
On their videos they clearly mentions third party marketing partners.. Guess what they don’t exist…
I would like to hear it from the Mavericks themselves as to “WHY” no-one has been paid his or her share of the cash back… There better be a good reason why, otherwise the “MAN” is gonna come a Knocking… Good Luck folks..
Oz, all I can say is THANK YOU for clearing the air on Saivian.
I had just been approached this week with the “opportunity”, and the more I researched and thought about it, the more I asked myself questions about whether this was a pyramid or not.
Every instinct told me it was, and after reading your synopsis, I have confirmed it to myself.
Thank you for sparing myself and others the embarrassment and heartache that would have come, and will come to those involved in this scheme.
No worries Okie1, glad you found the review useful.
Just reading this, I am not going to join. I was thinking about it, but decided not to. I have a few friends in this. Thank you!!
This is so obviously a Ponzi it’s almost laughable.
Sure…simply mail in your RECEIPTS and you’ll get up to 20% cashback? From ANY store? What a flipping LAUGH that is.
All the payouts…GUARANTEED…are from the monthly fees being collected. The “shopping” part is a non-existent ruse…busywork to make you think there’s more to this.
I was told by mailing my receipts I’d be put on some marketing list and that’s what the companies are paying for. Why not just send my name and contact information ONCE?
What a joke!!!
Being in the industry for several years I just can’t believe the blindness of those joining.
I mean it’s so obvious this is bogus. Just do an ounce of research and you will find their are no agreements with retailers.
“They” say when they reach a certain ridiculous number the retailers will pay Saivian for this information….. Really? Why would they.
Walmart could give two shits that I buy from them and even if the argument is that they do, they’re certainly not paying Saivian.
So at the current moment not one person is submitting receipts for cash back , therefore your $125 monthly is the money coming to pay the money going out. Wake up people!
Now they are telling the field that the third party marketing partners are on a strict Non Disclosure Agreement and they will make an announcement on who they are when the time is right…
WHAT??… C’mon people wake up!! How much more ridiculous can it get!
Oz…great site! Glad to see an informational site with what appears to be logical/intelligent bloggers, pretty rare when investigating MLMs.
What I’ve found is that most sites that “offer” insight into MLMs are just a recruiting pages to explain why their MLM is what you should investigate. Refreshing for sure.
I responded to a buddy that approached me with this biz opp and my first response was that it’s a prototypical ponzi scheme… he responded that the big stores are paying for the “mined” data… LOL…
As one mentioned, Costco isn’t paying 20% of a receipt total for information they just got when you swiped your membership card!
At the end of the day, people believe what they want to believe… we are animals that can/will rationalize any decision we make 😉 Great site!
Thanks for the support!
I have been trying to cancel since day one of getting an e mail. They took money from my account and I am disputing that.
I can not find a way OUT. Give me a number or e mail please……
I can not find a way OUT. Give me a number or e mail please……
@ Cheryl Chaps
Saivian has direct access to your checking account! You need to go to your bank and have them put a stop payment on Saivian!
You should also contact your state’s Attorney General’s office as well as the FTC and let them know what is going on.. Good luck to you..
Was her name laura? If so? She’s convinced a lot of people this is real and she is clueless.
Funny, my wife is making $50 per day with Saivian. This money has been withdrawn from Saivian’s ewallet and transferred into our bank account.
This made me a believer so I started not too long ago and am making $5 per day which pays for my monthly membership!
(Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempts removed)
1. How much your wife steals from subsequent investrs has no bearing on Savian being a Ponzi scheme.
2. There’s nothing funny about Ponzi schemes.
Well, s’long as your wife is getting paid… fuck the victims she’s stealing from, right?
Now, why would my comment make you curse? That’s not nice!
Actually, she works very hard and is on the phone telling people what it takes to get 20% cash back from any retail store as well as what it takes to have a free monthly membership (by signing up 3 people).
Yes she does get residual from others signing others. She is on 3 way calls helping others get their 3 people! How is this bad? Is any business with a CEO, VP, executives, bosses to employees bad? If so, you need to bash basically every store you pass by!
Many advertising companies pay for retail information. A little company called Facebook is one. Ever hear of them?
Instead of getting paid to bash companies, why don’t you get up and work in a positive way?
The money in Saivian is via the recruitment of others, which sees you paid their membership fees. It has nothing to do with cashback.
Your pseudo-compliance efforts are wasted here, Savian’s business model is no secret.
Seriously? Look chief, your wife isn’t selling a product or service to retail customers. She’s in a Ponzi scheme and, well that should be self-explanatory.
Put the marketing BS down and follow the flow of money.
And, why did you edit my first post? If you’re going to argue points, you should have the nads to argue all of them!
Offtopic derail attempts aren’t “points”. Anything not related to Saivian is marked as spam.
I’m a chief! Great! As long as you have respect for me, you should take note… ponzi schemes are illegal. If this is a ponzi scheme, why is it, along with so many other MLM companies still in business? Poor Mary Kay should be in jail!
The 20% cash back comes from the retail stores. And yes, it too is real money! Just like any other rebate. Up to $60 per week.
If you’re going to investigate, you should research everything. (Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempt removed)
1. This is referred to as the “if we were a scam, they would have shut us down!” argument.
Scams are such because of their business models, not because they’ve been shut down or not. Plenty of schemes are not shut down or collapse before regulators get to them.
It’s a red herring defense to claim that an opportunity isn’t a scam because it hasn’t been shut down. If the business model is indicative of it being a Ponzi scheme, that’s what it is.
Cool. So do affiliates have to pay $125 then? And why are commissions paid out on how many other suckers they can convince to pay $125?
Because the cashback is smoke and mirrors. Savian use newly invested funds to pay off existing investors, based on their efforts to source new funds for the scheme.
Whatever token cashback is offered doesn’t negate the broader Ponzi aspect of Saivian.
Anyone can figure out the “affiliates” pay the rebate for marketing information.
(Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempts removed)
…which makes Saivian a Ponzi scheme. QED.
“Marketing information” isn’t paying Saivian affiliates $3000 ROIs, newly recruited investors are.
No retail store will give 20% cashback for their own shopping info when they can pay next to nothing via their own loyalty cards or credit card cashback (up to 3%).
Of course it’s “real money”, but logically the source you cited cannot be the real source. No store can be THAT STUPID.
Thus, the logical conclusion is you chose to believe in illogical lies, and are in turn trying to convince others of your illogical conclusions.
Tim must live in a very special place where retailers can afford to give away 20% of their profit margin to get information about their own shoppers.
HUH? Binary with 3 legs? I suggest EVERYONE do some homework on who actually created the BINOMIAL marketing system.
There is only ONE company that has it with copyrights in place. Everything else is some BS, offshoot or attempted copy. NO ONE has done it yet.
Also, the idea that a companies will pay for demographics any more its absolutely retarded.
A $2 app can autonomously do all that now. People are really, realy, REALLY stupid.
Also, Ive been in e-commerece and affiliate marketing since the begining. NO mainstream stores pay 20% cashback EVER.
Even if they did, this “company” would have pay the comissions out of that. So, if they are actually paying comissions out of that, we would be in the 30%-40% cashback range to be profitable.
Seriously, just stick with the people who know what they are doing gang. You want some advise on RESIDUAL income? Talk to someone who actually has one.
Like their upline, whose residual income is coming out of their pockets…
Or the folks who keep coming up with these nonsensical schemes and reach into those pockets…
(This is obviously sarcasm, if you haven’t figured it out yet)
I am so thankful that I found this website before I signed up.
I, too, went to a meeting in Missouri where this opportunity opportunity was being delivered as the next great thing at saving money and how you’re already spending the money so why not get the 20% back.
Now that I see it through the eyes of an outsider… It’s easy to see that investment opportunity seems too good to be true… It probably is…
And if you have to pay $125… To make money then you’re probably really not making anything this is a joke and it’s going to collapse and all the people that all these leaders are leading the stray will have to answer to someone.
All of their other businesses have failed this one will too.
There is only ONE company that has it with copyrights in place. Everything else is some BS, offshoot or attempted copy. NO ONE has done it yet.
Who’s to say that they have not actually done it!!! What if I said that one new member of the board is the lead U.S. Attorney that goes after PANZI Schemes to shut them down.
What if the Membership included an instant discount to 300,000 stores
What if they about to Launch this company in Las Vegas in two weeks and they reveal ALL and then they turn around and sue your Slanderous hide for All that you think you have and the shoes on your feet.
Rather than look at what Saivian might have done, let’s just focus on what they have done.
That is, launch a business opportunity that costs $125 a month and pays affiliates to recruit others who do the same.
I’d say you’re full of shit, for reasons that should be obvious.
There’s a lot of “what ifs” in your comment. Probably best to stick to the reality instead.
Wow looks like I missed the show!
This Retarded Marketing character sounds like a real Smacked Ass… So who’s the Marketing Partners? Oh wait let me guess they signed a NDA hahaha.
Would you like me to post the definition of a Ponzi scheme now or should I get the popcorn ready for the Las Vegas Ponzi Launch in 2 weeks..
Here is what I don’t understand- and forgive me because I am new here… but why do people fall for this?
Also, I’ve seen conflicting reports. Are people collecting money or are they not? I’m just curious if this really will collapse?
As soon as enough people stop paying the $125 a month, of course it will. You can’t create guaranteed ROIs out of thin air.
I would say that you are a VERY inexperienced person who is VERY uneducated on marketing and direct sales pay plans.
Who says they havnt done it?? I SAY.. they “havnt done it” because, for one, the company everyone is trying to copy in e-retail, is NOT operating a ponzi scheme.
You are not talking to someone here that is opposed to network marketing done right. I am annonymous here. I have no vested interest in ANYTHING but the truth. There is NOTHING I can gain by posting here except for the satisfaction of educating people.
My information is NOT biased. I have experience on all sides. I also have a high degree of success with developing companies, both traditional and NON.
No offense to the rest of you, and not that it matters because a 3rd grader knows enough math to pick out a Ponzi scheme BUT, there is not ONE person in this group who has had more experience and success than I have. Not tooting my own horn, Im just saying that I know what the F%&$k Im talking about and so do some of the others here so you should REALLY heed the advice.
There is a BIG different between NM and Ponzi schemes, although deals like yours try to blur the lines. The is also a BIG difference between networking professionals and MLM’er or Ponzi players.
Do yourself a favor and learn what that is, BUT you will NEVER learn it from the crowed you are with now.
Then I would say, stop listening to passed down, inflated, exagerated, BS rhetoric, that is so far fetched its not even funny.
There is only about 6000 branded retailers on the planet. How you guys get 300,000 of them is amazing. You must be doing something very special ha ha. UNLESS you are talking about a deal with ONE company that has 300,000 stores.
In that case I am sure your “corporate team” worked hard to find a free coupon code online for McDonalds, that they charge you $125 a month for…
Retailers do NOT give deals or special pricing. They pay an affiliate comission of 1% to 8% tops, with the obscure no name site paying up to 20%
With the maths from your “comp plan”,, even if they took ALL of tha affiliate commission (which is in the form of “cashback”) and gave it to YOUR affiliates without even giving any back to customers as an incentive, you would personally need a team of 20,000+ to make ANY significant redidual income.
Did you know that its not even legal to create a Multi Level marketing plan that is based solely on affiliate linkage alone? If you do not have your own products that are exclusive to you. You are operating outside of the law right there!
If you are going to do ANYthing related to e-commerce or e-retailing, you should REALLY talk to someone who has a clue. Seriously.
Whats that “lead Attorneys” name? I will ask him what HE has to say about it.
Do your own homework man, and stop listening to this complete fantasy nonsense they are feeding you for profit.
@ Relationnel Marketing:
WOW you have obviously Drank way to much Saivian Kool Aid! Bro Seriously get a flipping clue!
A Ponzi is a Ponzi! Please do yourself a favor and google the definition.
Saivian fits that exact definition therefore anyone who thinks differently is Drinking the Saivian Kool Aid.
I cannot speak to the inner-workings of the Saivian long term business model, but as a Saivian member for the past 11 weeks I can tell you that the company has delivered everything that they said they were going to deliver.
I received my first $125 cash payout for my purchases and I have been getting paid daily residual income for the past 8 weeks.
It’s not a ton of money because I don’t have a large team but the company is certainly paying out and I’m transferring fund to my bank account.
So far it has been a cash positive venture for me and people that I know personally. Just my two cents.
So, how much of your $125 withdrawal after 8 weeks was recruitment commissions (ROI) and how much was cashback?
100% of the $125 paid out to me was from the 20% cash back that I earned on purchases. Commissions is separate.
There is a retail shopping membership (RSM) account wallet that accrues your 20% cash back and a separate “eWallet” that accrues commissions. After you have accrued $125 in either account, you may transfer the amount to your bank account via ACH transfer.
If you spend enough money on gas, groceries, restaurants, retail purchases, etc, you will make your membership fee back. The break even point is (approx) $620/month in spending.
I tell my friends that are interested that they need to be spending $620/month on retail purchases in order for them to make their money back.
I support a family of 5 so I max out the cash back no problem. So it makes sense for me, but perhaps not for everyone.
Cool, glad to hear someone is using the cashback.
One more question though: if you’re spending $620 a month on Savian’s affiliated merchants, $125 after 8 weeks is two months and not break even. Or have you scaled back the math to fit?
And is that $125 a month plus $620 in spending, or $620 all up ($125 spent on accessing discounts)?
Also from a business opportunity perspective, you can see why the investment side of the business is far more lucrative. $125 paid a month plus $620 a month in purchases just to break even… or just pay $125 a month and recruit others who do the same.
Do that enough and you’re making $3000 a day.
See the problem here?
It’s funny. There are a lot of people I know that just use the cash back component and are perfectly happy with that.
You would think that it is tedious for someone to enter purchase information for $1200 in purchases in a given 28 days, just to make a net profit of $115 ($240 in max cash back-$125 membership fee), but people, particularly house wives that I know, love doing it and feel like it’s worth the extra effort.
Groceries alone for my family of 5 are $900/month. Add in gas and a meal at a restaurant and it is easy to hit $1200 for us every 4 weeks. It makes sense for families that we know.
Now obviously there is a strong incentive to bring new members on if you can get your membership fee covered when you make your 3rd sale of the retail shopping membership (that pays $5/day, residual).
Many people are honestly not into selling, so they use the membership and it works for them.
Regarding lag time/break even point if ONLY using the RSM, there is definitely a verification process, just like any rebate program I’ve used, because Saivian wants to verify that you actually made the purchases and that you’re not just turning in receipts that you gathered from other people.
This causes a delay and the cash is not paid out in real time. First you need to accumulate 30 days worth of receipts and then you can claim your redemption.
Once you hit “redeem,” the system generates a list of purchases for which you need to submit receipts (in the form of a single email with PDFs of receipts).
In 30 days, once Saivian verifies that you actually made these purchases (by matching the last 4 digits of the credit card number on the receipt with the last 4 digits of the card number you registered with your account, you only register the last 4, not your entire CC #) they process your cash back request.
My first redemption was for $125 and I should be receiving a $250 redemption in about 10-15 days.
Thanks, so it’s actually a $125 fee + $1200 in purchases each month just to make back $115.
Attractive or not, that side of the business I have no problems with. It’s the “pay $125 a month, recruit others who do the same and earn up to $3000 a day” that’s the issue.
Unfortunately one side of Saivian doesn’t negate the other, with the Ponzi side of the business destroying the legitimacy of the cashbacks.
Yes, I guess we’ll find out in time. There are many “exciting announcements” about the business slated for the launch event this coming weekend.
They are also saying that the 20% cash back retail shopping membership is as unattractive as it will ever be right now, suggesting that a change to the membership (i.e. lower membership fee, better cash back incentives, faster cash back payouts/whatever) will take place at the launch event.
We shall see. I’ll need to report back after the event.
No worries, let us know if any significant announcements are made. Appreciate you sharing.
Sure thing. Will do.
Check out photos of Dalius with Saivian logo behind him in January of 2016.
It’s good to hear you are receiving payments on your receipts via the RSM.. My question to you is who exactly is paying the $125?
It’s $125 to sign up, plus another $125 per month to stay active. So who are the Marketing Partners? and why would they pay 20% cash back?
There’s an awful lot of Kool Aid being passed around inside this Money Game / PONZI… If by chance you do find out who the marketing partners are be sure to let us know.
So over spending at the merchants just to get rebates monthly?
How are you really saving money when you are paying monthly membership to do that as well?
Help me figure that part out.
I don’t spend 1200 a month on junk just for a rebate.
Steve sounds an awful lot like Tim….ha!
Steve sounds an awful lot like Tim….ha!:
Yep and have you heard about the Irish network marketers? Gerald Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzgerald….ha!
I’ve just been approached to join this scheme.
Reading everyone’s comments is most helpful. What bothers me is having to use just one credit card for all your purchases. I use different ones for different things and oftentimes I use my ATM card or pay cash. This means a change in my spending patterns.
I also look after my elderly mother, and maybe I won’t spend enough money at retail stores ($1200) to get 20% back! What then?
It occurred to me, maybe Saivion is using the info on our receipts to find out about OUR spending habits so they can sell it to advertisers that will use that info to target our spending preferences. Just a thought.
At first, back in November, nothing negative was showing up concerning Savian. We put a bunch of people in the business.
However, a week into the business, we met the puppet master! A person that appears to leave a path of destruction.
We pulled the plug and exited the business at a loss. Until a collapse, a scam can pay you. However, rebuilding your reputation can take years.
Savian appears to model one of the first 20 percent savings programs APP Gas scam. A gas card with 20 percent back.
I did not know that App Gas was a scam. Now, I am a little wiser and could not take the money, knowing that it is coming out of someone else’s pocket.
In summary, getting paid from savian, doesn’t not prove that it is legitimate. It only proves that this Ponzi scam is in the infancy stages.
Stay clear from this company. I don’t want to see people get hurt.
Interesting information. I have been involved in many MLM companies over the years and this of course has been the easiest since we have nothing to sell other than a membership and I don’t feel that that is legal in the terms of a multi-level marketing but I’m doing it.
I really don’t enjoy all the phone conference calls and do nothing but hate the recruiting that scares me.
I am making money in it haven’t seen any in my checking account yet its in my account with Savion but that doesn’t mean that darn thing until it’s in my account so it’s been interesting I’m going to check further thank you.
Congratulations, you’re a scammer.
And a self admitted scammer, at that
So you admit to doing something even you don’t feel is legal.
How well do you sleep at night?
@ Kathy Vance,
Do you have an Angel on one shoulder telling you to get out Now! You are sterling people’s hard earned money and giving them false hope of making it Big!
Do you have the Devil on the other shoulder telling you to move forward and continue lying cheating and stealing from people?
The bottom line is you have yourself in the thick of one of the biggest Ponzi schemes to hit the network marketing arena in a long time!
Where is your conscience? Do you not care that you are hurting people.. and in some cases people will spend their last $125 in hopes of changing their lives only to find out they wasted their money.. That’s the harsh reality!
I have some extremely credible sources telling me saivian’s day’s are numbered!
I was with Saivian for two months. I thought you could redeem once you had $125 redemptions available. WRONG!!!
According to my upline, it takes 6 months to see any of your money back. I consider this a rip-off and cancelled today.
I would suggest that people look very closely before joining. I wasted $250 and was ripped off for another approx. $130.
At least I am out of it now. I wish I knew where to report this to have them investigated.
I don’t know if they are a Ponzi Scheme or not. I hope the feds investigate and if found guilty, prosecute to the full extent of the law, including fines, jail, and shut down.
And a repeat offender.
Yet you put a bunch of people into this.
Once we realized that we made a mistake, we refunded people their money, and we took a loss in excess of our original membership.
Has anyone actually collected any money from their wallet into their personal bank account from this company?
Just a question because I was approached. Do ponzi schemes normally have you fill out tax forms in order to collect your funds?
I am told that a W9 must be filled out and that there is a webinar on how to keep records for your taxes. Is this another way to skirt around the fact that it is a scheme? By making you believe it is a taxable business.
Do other MLMs have people fill out tax forms before collecting money? Thank you for any insight.
The W9 is for the ROI income or cashback?
Zeek Rewards had US affiliates fill in tax forms, was still an $850 million dollar Ponzi scheme.
“No way to tell.” Legitimate investment companies do, MLM companies do, but often, Ponzi schemes and pyramid schemes do as well in order to look legitimate.
It also depends on the exact tax form and what they give back, as they are supposed to give YOU a form too for filing taxes.
Thank you, that is what I was wondering. 🙂
Sorry Oz, the W9 is to withdrawal from both accounts I believe. So the cash back goes into a tracker and at $125 you can withdrawal and then I think the daily residual goes into a different area for withdrawal. I really am not sure.
Reading the comments above, the way it was presented to me was that the receipts would be bought by competing companies, not the company looking for data on itself.
So for instance Walmart would say hey, give me all your Target receipts, etc. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
We just spend a lot monthly on groceries and restaurants so it is very appealing. Even at $125 a month…but I don’t want to be screwed of course.
And who’s going to ENTER all this data so it can be mined? Nobody is crazy enough to hire an army of data entry clerks to type in those unreadable grocery receipts.
That makes sense. Not trying to get people to dig into anything I said, this is just how it was presented to me.
I don’t know how it all works, that’s why I have been trying to research and ask questions.
And that’s exactly what you should be doing. Good job. Too many people ask questions AFTER they joined at the heat of the moment, then their “Fear of Missing Out”, “Loss Avoidance”, and “IKEA effect” kept them going despite nagging voices in their head. Skeptical attitude is what I advocate, as #MLMSkeptic
It’s a little earlier to pre judge if Saivian is a Pozi Scheme. Let’s give it a year.
I read all the comments about the membership and a lot of it is wrong. Yes I was paid my first $125 rebate in 90 days. Because Saivian need to verified receipts and credit card number. And the second rebate of $125 OR $250 is much quicker every 30 days.
I might get duke by Saivian but only time will tell. I am a risk taker. Everybody is getting taking advantage of by mlm or corporate business. I am tried of making someone else rich. I will find a business that works for me. You have to step out of your comfort zone and take risks.
If Saivian falls. I will move on. I am a honest person and don’t take advantage of people. If I feel it’s a Ponzi scheme, I will let everyone know. But I will keep everyone updated about Saivian.
Mlm isn’t for everyone. If you don’t want to recruit, mlm is not for you. That’s how you make money in mlm. So I can see why people feel it’s a Ponzi scheme.
I will contact corporate about who are their 3rd party advertising company that are buying our POS receipts for marketing data.
Regardless of whether a Ponzi scheme uses newly invested funds to pay out existing investors for a day or a year, it’s still a Ponzi scheme.
The rest of your excuses don’t justify Ponzi fraud either.
Saivian does not pay new investors with membership fee. Investors are paid through our 3rd party marketing companies. Just like facebook. It called behavioral targeting.
Many of marketing companies pay for this kind of data. But I will confirm with Saivian about who are their 3rd parties marketers.
I forget once you recruit 3 on your team the membership is paid for in full. No more $125 membership fee. Like I said only time will tell if Saivian is a Ponzi scheme.
So rather than fully investigate if this is hurting people or not – you just dive on in and hope it works out for you?
I remember this “company” that was rebating people money they spent on gasoline long as they paid their fee up front and sent in their receipts each time they bought gas.
Turned out it was always a scam.
Why would this be any different?
Uh, go look up your comp plan.
Saivian pay affiliates to recruit new affiliates. As long as everyone pays $125 a month ROIs are paid out to existing affiliates using newly invested funds.
Maybe you’re right. Saivian business model is very similar to Wake Up Now which is out of business. Wake Up Now ran this same scheme for 6 years. Get 3 and it free. Wow
WakeUpNow didn’t pay fixed ROIs based on new affiliate recruitment.
We are all adults. I am not forcing people to do anything. So stop it. Do the work. People need to do their research.
and yet you haven’t done any but feel it’s OK to steal other people’s money.
You are forcing yourself to hunt down 3 “suckers” to pay $125 so you can gain from their loss to keep the cycle of loss going.
Is that how real thinking adults do?
You may want to rethink that position before your downline does and point the finger at you for not telling them.
Ah yes, the very attitude that perpetuates scams.
I wonder. If participating in such a scheme, regardless of reason or excuses, resulted in a criminal record and fine, would you be so cavalier about joining?
Oh, I see, the slut defense. He must be WANT to be tricked for you to trick him. She must *want* to be raped by dressing like a slut.
You’re the one not thinking like an adult. Grow up, kiddo.
lol you guys are cracking me up. Wow It’s just a mlm business. Just a way to make a few extra bucks. I have a real job with benefits. Lol
It’s not just an MLM saivian is a blatant Ponzi scheme!
A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator, an individual or organization, pays returns to its investors from new capital paid to the operators by new investors, rather than from profit earned by the operator.
Operators of Ponzi schemes usually entice new investors by offering higher returns than other investments, in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent.
Vida is one of the reasons I cringe when ‘net losers’ are referred to as ‘victims’.
I am quite concerned myself as they just intoduced a new (international) Global Travel Membership at the recent Las Vegas conference.
This which is an additional $125.00 every 28 days like the Retail Shopping Membership just seems like another way Keep that new money flowing in…
Now this doesn’t launch until June but they are taking money in the form of Saivian passes which allow you to let new people join for free??? Or at least give them a free months ride to “try it out”?
Oh and Plus they offer 20% cash back to you on the $500 worth of passes they are preselling… It’s making me very uneasy to stay with this… I think after reading and re-reading your posts here I’m thinking it’s best to part ways with Saivian.
I hace been parte of the programa for 3 moths and i created 2 accounts.
i still havent recieve muy money and everytime i cal the person who told me about this program never answer the call.
I have 4 friends who wants to join the program but I told them not to anymore.
You needed 2 accounts to figure it was something not to join?
No I didn’t created 2 accounts one is my fathers and the other one is mine.He manage both accounts.
I was recruited by a friend and then read this thread. BUT I called my bank and they charged back my check.
I also called the Federal Trade Commission and reported the company. I suggest all of you who understand that this is illegal and could hurt many people, call the FTC as well.
The more of us who report, the more they will investigate.
I asked my friend who is now angry with me because I told someone it was a scam, who she wanted to recruit, for the phone number and I called the so-called Marketng Dept today at 12:30 PM, 2:25 PM and THEY SAID THEY WERE CLOSED!!!
Nuf Said… Why would a company that was legitimate BE CLOSED????????????
Report them… Call the FTC NOW.. All of you!!!
They are targeting populations that have a language barrier… Chinese, Latino… and not telling them everything.. like the 60 day wait period… Bad NEWS!!!!
Yeah even legit businesses close and open
But what alarms me is that not one mention of why you really think this is a scam or why you should have noticed before you joined twice.
Its always after you joined because of a friend said it was good to join.
People tend to ask the wrong questions after the fact.
If your money is on the line you should be investigating and warning everyone before you spend a dime.
This is how we prevent people from being hurt.
Saivian IS NOT For Everybody… or just anybody.
Any interest must have the ff:
1. time: patience to monitor/manage; VIDA says, “likes see a year”;
2. treasure: say, $500 min risk capital willing/able to lose, perhaps for tax loss deductions(?); like the needs/wants/current income of Steve Jacobsen’s family-of-five.
3. talent to execute what’s required to make one’s net.. .work.
Do Own DUE DILIGENCE(DD). MUST BE Personally Satisfied (inspite rapidly evolving information) BEFORE signing up to make any committments.
Open discussions usually (but not always) good source to begin one’s DD.
Cheers! Keep it up! 😉
I was thinking of joining but decided to see first what are people saying about the company.
Thanks to the Internet and based on the many comments I’ve read, I’m no longer interested and I’ve also informed family members who were approached not to join.
Thank you all for sharing your concerns and experiences.
My questions are the following:
1)Why is there no customer service line for people to call during normal business hours?
2) Is it normal to pay commissions out of memberships? That is how it is done and I have been told that is totally fine and legal…. is it legal?
Not in MLM. In MLM paying commissions on affiliate memberships = pyramid scheme.
I would say if you can prove its a scam and you have people who have lied to you, I would put their name and phone # on this blog.
if you are not sure, just posting is not good either. email me any info you have. I am good at vetting this business out. (Ozedit: email address removed)
I pay Savian $125 a month, recruit others who do the same and receive up to $3000 a day in ROIs.
All the proof you need is in Saivian’s business model.
Marie, I think this business is being conducted from someone’s home!
Think about this? You can’t reach anyone during business hours, but they are mining tens of thousands Receipts for third party companies. Scam, written all over!
The Ritz Blast model was smart. They have been conducting opportunity meetings at Ritz Carlton’s across the country, hats off to EJ. No matter what you think of this guy, he is one of a kind!
EJ, is a scam Artist of the ages this thief is a true Maverick at what he does!
Do not let the Exoneration fool you… there are many other scams this crook has run and got away with. Grab some popcorn sit back and enjoy the Saivian show.
Jimmy, I agree with you! Hats off was a facetious comment, but he is a great marketing guy.
This time around, he may have to ask for a waterproof ankle bracelet to swim in his in ground pool.
When I met Steve, I thought this Guy is like a snake oil salesman, but the crazy thing, he actually sold snake venom. LOL
Jimmy, it is sad that these pirates take in millions. Network marketing appears to be the new white collar crime with a slap on the wrist.
Oz…as my name indicates, I’m just observing. I share a thought for what it’s worth. Monitoring a bulletin board/message board takes effort and content decisions. I see you delete/edit several posts. Now, that’s your right and authority as the monitor/owner of this site.
All I say is…when you do that it can come across as you deleting information that is detrimental to your position on this company? Again, it a tight line to walk to delete or not to delete…
It’s not my call or business…it’s totally yours. I just share that with you, as I said, “for what it’s worth”.
My wife and I have been contacted about this company and have chosen to not partake in this company for a variety of reasons. And, I say up front, some of the information here has been very influential on that decision. Thanks for the feedback…much appreciated.
Last thing—to some posters here…it’s totally fine to disagree on a given topic. But, if you want to WIN your side of the argument, you’re far more effective without vulgarity and personal attacks. Character, Class…it’s an effective debating tool.I read most of the posts here…in truth, when I came to an “attack” style post, I moved on…
All of this is, obviously, just one guy’s humble opinion…which may well get bashed!! 🙂 *chuckle* All best to EACH of you and yours.
Don’t really care. I only remove spam, offtopic crap and derail attempts. That much should be obvious to anyone who reads more than a few comments.
There’s almost 90,000 comments on BehindMLM, with plenty of diversity and disagreements (both with myself and other commenters).
Your call not mine Oz…was just offering an observation.
Diversity and disagreements….excellent. Iron sharpens Iron. An open mind can learn much from other opinions if allowed. Like I said, vulgarity and personal attacks actually weaken one’s argument—again, in my opinion.
Bottomline…you have a well run, well maintained site overall and I appreciated the information I garneered.
Thanks for the support.
I got in this company and totally regret it. I am now trying to get my money that they owe me. I will be reporting them to the FTC.
I feel sorry for the ones that are falling for this. I hope everyone does their research before joining. They are very nice while you are paying your money but once you get out you will see a different side to them.
Do the math people. $125 a month and it takes 8 months to start making any profit back.
They got my money-
Could you give us a little more detail, please? I’d like to know how this company is scaming people so I can specifically tell my family what they are doing to them.
If you JUST do the cash back it takes 8 months to make anything.
Do the math on it. You can only get $125 for the first cash back. This takes 3 months to get.
By the time you can redeem again you are paying again. They have done a good job at how they control the money. You are charged every 28 days but can only get your cash back every 30 days.
They charge you too to get it. I had 3 people and everyone started dropping out. I had put in for my cash back and everything was good until I cancelled before they pulled another $125 out.
They said I forfeited it. But my membership was paid and I worked to get money in my ewallet too that is lost.
I should get the money that I earned as I had already paid my membership fee for those months.
That is such bull that if you do decide to cancel your membership they say you have forfeited your cashback… and commissions if earned in your ewallet.
You earned it you paid for your membership at the time it was earned. They need to pay it!
That ewallet should be a separate entity from Saivian should be accessed from other than your membership site. That is just bad customer service…if you even can call them…
I don’t see too many people….like none… posting in a the private Facebook groups about getting their cashback on a regular basis. And if I ask about who is getting their money in would get deleted.
Too bad I had a really good leg too I just don’t feel confident about the company to continue to build something that will probably get shut down…like Zeek.
I was with them and completely believed what I was doing was alright until someone sent me the following links. This is the only website I researched on and there were only a couple of comments at that time.
Also what you have in the article was easily dismissed based on the answers I got when I asked questions. One of the things that really stood out and never really went away was how the President has no digital footprint.
While this is not impossible to have accomplished all he has over the last 2 decades it is “odd” to say the least.
From the website –
You would think there would be some article attesting to these amazing accomplishments.
Like the person above commenting about not getting their money back I experienced the same thing.
It is brilliant if you think about it. You pay $125 every 28 days. When you do get your “3” the first 2 times (at least) that your ewallet hits $125 in commissions it is IMMEDIATELY withdrawn to pay you up for the next 2 months.
They say this is to ensure your membership does not lapse, which made sense while I was still in the dark…
When I left though I had done a transfer to my bank account three days before canceling. When I asked WHY I had not received my earnings up to the date of my leaving I was told that ALL IS FORFEITED when you cancel.
I would think this is against the law and have sent in a compliant (as I know many others have) to the FTC and The Attorney Generals office.
I even stated that since my “membership” had been paid up for the next 5 weeks that I should have gotten what I was owed and the response I got was once again “when you cancel you FORFEIT EVERYTHING” Cashback, Commissions, EVERYTHING! You should at least get your cashback while until your membership term is up and your COMMISSIONS.
If you still would like more information (there have been so many more companies than the one where the exoneration took place) Be sure to read the comments…
Just received an email saying that it is required I send a picture of my DL, a cancelled/voided check via email to create a ACH transfer profile. In addition when sending in receipts a copy of the front of my credit card.
Now, call me crazy – but why on earth would I give all this personal information via email to a company that doesn’t have a phone number, a building, a compliance department? Blind trust?? Not feeling it.
I stopped my membership with Saivian and they have taken money out of my account. I am locked out and have no way to contact them to dispute this.
I even changed my account number while I was still active to an inactive account. They went back and took out of my previous account.
I am NOT happy as I have 3 kids to support and now I have to worry about how I am going to get my money back. Has this happened to anyone else???
I was approach almost 4 wks ago, just join Saivian 5 ~ 6 days ago.
I assume I can cancel it now since it’s not even 7 days now. Pls Help, wish I had read this earlier!
If you gave them your bank account. SWITCH BANK IMMEDIATELY (or at least switch to a new account number).
NEVER EVER give anybody your bank account number unless it’s a major national company like Verizon or AT&T or your local utilties. With your bank account number I can EMPTY your entire account without your signature with just an e-Check that you’ll never see.
Ok, so- I have been approached multiple times by multiple people to join this and sell it… Their tagline it’s so simple how could you not do this…
I see that everyone says it is a scam but she seems to be making a lot of money… Is she? Is it going to fall apart?
Will this money go away that she’s making and that all the other people are making or are they really making any?
She’ll continue to make money as long as people like you sign up under her. That’s how the ROI scheme works.
Clawbacks could be initiated if regulators step in, but I’m currently unaware of any regulatory investigation into Saivian.
I’m not going to sign up after reading this. However, why aren’t regulators involved? These just doesn’t seem legal.
There are sevearal reasons why consumers shouldn’t rely on the existence or otherwise of regulatory action as a criteria before joining;
* Saivian is only one of thousands of similar “opportunities” which exist online at any one time.
* Full investigation takes time, and many / most of the companies which “should” be investigated don’t last long enough to justify the time and cost involved.
* It’s a sad fact that after 911, many governments redirected resources into investigating terrorism, leading to the loss of funding and personnel from other investigative bodies.
* Agencies rely to a large extent on complaints from consumers before launching an investigation. Statistically a relatively small number of victims ever bother to complain.
Given the number of fraudulent schemes, agencies simply cannot justify monitoring the ‘net, so must rely on complaints.
I got a call from my bank yesterday. Saivian was draining my bank account.
I have a stop payment against them… they figured out a way around it. Kept changing the check number.
I got this from a friend today. She had to cancel her account!
Said it before… NEVER EVER give your bank account or debit card number to ANYONE. They can keep draining money from your account WITHOUT your permission or knowledge.
I take back everything I said.. I am starting to get my 20% back .. !!! Only if there was a way for me to show you guys my ewalet.
Madoff paid up for a decade. Even BILLIONS to one net winner.
Getting paid neither proves nor disproves it’s a ponzi scheme. What you don’t (want to) understand is suspect schemes ALWAYS pay… until it can’t any more.
Well im not telling ppl to join just spending and getting my 20% back I’m not looking at this as any bigger image.
Its like solavie a cell phone compomy were you add a people and tou dont oay your phome bill and if you add more theg oay yku. I got more than 20000 yeah it went out but I still got my money.
K.Chang: If this thing is going to pay up for a decade I’m going to Join!
It’s awfully quiet in here now. Several within my small group have their 20% cashback rebates. Forget about daily residual because we all know what Oz is going to say about this guy named “Ponzi”. Keep spreading false information buddy. Ignorance is bliss.
It cracks me up how people in general expect something great like this to fail. Pessimists. Well, I’m going to enjoy my 20% cashback and whatever you want to call my daily residual income.
Spam away buddy, Spam away. Saivian is genuine and real.
Forget about the core mechanic that makes Saivian a Ponzi scheme?
Whatever else is attached to the Ponzi ROIs is irrelevant, be it cashback or anything else. Your attempt to justify financial fraud reeks of “Oh hai guys, I’m new to MLM!” naivety.
OZ…….. Thanks for the insight on this new scheme!
I have had lots of friends wanting me to join (maybe I should find new friends)!
I was sucked into Zeek Rewards a few years ago! Just place and AD daily & get paid!!!!! Turned out be a $650 million dollar Ponzi scheme.
Luckily.. I was skeptical going into the scheme… so only a few dollars invested……. then “poof” they are gone!
exactly, just like profitable sunrise. a lot of people can become very wealthy from a ponzi if they get in early enough but the latecomers don’t have a chance.
Could someone please explain to me how exactly Saivian is a PONZI…,?
when the most someone would ever invest is $125..you are not even considered an affiliate until you put 3 people into the program. At that point you no longer pay for your subscription!
OZ, if you are telling the general public that saivian is a Ponzi, you are also telling the general public that every single MLM on the planet earth is a Ponzi… think about it…
Sure. Savian use newly invested funds to pay off existing investors up to $3000 a day. The only pre-requisite is they themselves invest and recruit others who do the same.
Thus it’s a Ponzi/pyramid hybrid.
Why? It’s obvious you haven’t thought about it.
Lots of posts on this so this may have already been covered … A friend talked me into joining Saivian. The 20% off on groceries and gas was appealing.
Once enrolled, I viewed all the training videos and discovered payment would only be made about 60 days out. The maximum receipts you can turn in is $300. a week – or $1200 for the 28 day cycle.
The very best case scenario is a $240 return subtract the $125 monthly membership fee for a total of a 9.58% return. You can only use 10 merchants per month pre-determined by you.
No payment for 60-90 days ($250 I might add for the monthly fee). If you go on vacation you lose a production week ($300. max)
If you enroll a few people you can make a lot money in this – for now. Wont be around long … definite ponzi – give it a year and it will implode from the bottom up.
Get your money quick!
Took my money and NO cashback. No product. I don’t know how they can keep doing this to people.
They keep doing it because people willingly keep giving them money.
People don’t bother to google beforehand, or they disregard the information, and the abysmal statistics about endless chain recruitment opportunities.
They don’t bother to look at the history of the people they are beginning an association with. They ignore the warnings about pyramid schemes.
Saivian is a rip-off. Been there. Been ripped off.
20% cash back??? It’s a whole lot less than that after you pay your monthly membership of $125. And, getting that cash back is an excercise in extreme frustration – – most people give up before accomplishing that, since it is such a tricky process.
And, people drop off like flies. It is extremely difficult to maintain a regular income because of this.
If you are not a VERY active recruiter you will end up not even being qualified for the $5 per day. And, even if you do accumulate $125 or more in your E-Wallet, Saivian will grab $125 right off the top of that accumulation for a month in advance, even though your account is paid in full up to a certain date.
And then, if you wise up and try to have your $125 sent to your bank account, the money has already been applied for Saivian’s future use. These guys are scam artists, crooks, thieves and any other adjective you can think of.
If you hear the word “Saivian” do yourself a favor and RUN!!! (the opposite direction).
My question is where does the money come from for the 20% cash back?
I have heard from retailers buying the data from Saivian, etc. If the money is coming from the 125.00 a month fee then that can’t be legal.
Do you really think retailers are going to be such a premium for data on a few thousand people at best?
Especially when larger retailers track their own data these days…
I got called Saivian girl twice, they were unable to answer the Question, Registration of this website with Godaddy for $13.00per year.
They told me they will answer me in phone calls or presentation. But nothing, they are trying to Cheat with new Face new way, they said 20% cash back, BS.
IN TECH style, they are good sales man and manager doing from single family house because they failed many times they cheated too many times.
Website they have designed by Indian coder guy he explained to me they are waiting to get huge money then they close the site like they close WAKEUP NOW.
And who did you hear it from? I’ll bet you some Savian affiliate heard it from someone else… i.e. “my cousin”.
Has anyone received a cash back check or money yet? I haven’t seen any proof of that yet.
That is what the product is suppose to be. Cash back. I would like to see a photocopy of a check for cash back that someone has received.
To my knowledge you will not see one for 3 months after you join. So you have to pay in for 3 months and submit your receipts monthly and on your 4th month you will get your first cash back check. Is this true?
Haven’t received a dime. Did everything I was supposed to do.
These are some scamming liars. They will say anything to get people in. They are hurting the very people they are supposed to be helping. SMH
Was suppose to receive $250.00 in redemption money from shopping receipts.
went the full 90 day cycle. The company said I would be paid in 15 business days.
Its been over 50 business days have not received any money. Ripp OFF.
I have been in the company since February. I followed the simple instructions given to me in the back office and have only had one single issue.
On the copy of my receipt the corner was folded over so the last four digits of my credit card were not visible, the company notified me I corrected the receipt and received payment!
I can almost Guarantee if you are not getting paid it’s because of user error… my recommendation is to just take your time and make sure everything is correct before you hit send.. Like I said I can almost Guarantee you will get paid no problem.
How much money would a person be able to withdraw on a DAILY BASIS? or are they only able to withdraw $125 or $250 from their commissions every 28 days?
Please get back to me ASAP on this, thank you…
You can withdraw as much as you want whenever you want on a “DAILY BASIS”, as long as your E-wallet has the funds!
You are correct however you can only withdraw funds during normal banking hours Monday – Friday 9am – 5pm eastern standard time. I hope this helps Chris.
Saiavian is obviously a scam and I am annoyed at these who prey on elderly like my dad who wont believe me that it is a scam.
They have planted fake good reviews all over the internet and done seo for certain keywords tomake it look legit.
This guy on tbis blog with the screen name “justsayin” is a fake profile like many others planted arnd the internet to counter nevative reviews.
Yeah I’m sure they have nothing better to do all day and just sit at their desk and write Fake Good reviews…
I also seriously doubt anyone in this company preys on the Elderly especially if they want to build a profitable business! I don’t see my grandmother who Farts Dust calling other Marketers..
Tell us the real reason your pissed off!
SCAM and absolutely not sure there is even a company! They set up 4 accounts in my name… then NO way to reach a customer service person..
emailed company… only way I finally thought I got thru… no response except removal of fee times 4!
Contact my sleeze at top.. told it will be taken care of…. despite calls, emails…. nothing..
then contact Genie…. same issue.. no one responds…. no one has returned money…. over a month so now cancelled because I didn’t pay for another month…
now no passwords work at all!!! And no way to get what you earn until you make the whole amount back…
Ok- so I have not had any luck with getting paid, and I start digging on the wonderful person that signed me up, Laura… Come to find out she and her husband just filed bankruptcy. All this while she is telling me and scores of others that she is making 100.00 a day and almost 150.00.
If this is the case…then what’s with the chapter 7? Obviously there are major lies being told here. Something needs to happen here and quickly!
If you want to know her and her husbands personal business then you should call her and ask her about it! If they filed BK, it’s for a reason. There are justifications needed before a court would approve.
(Note to Oz. You have a tendency on deleting what you call derailment, yet let personal negative derailment slide? That’s a bit sheisty. You’re going to lose credibility. )
An affiliate discussing how Savian is marketed and their personal experience with their Savian upline is not a derail attempt.
I don’t hear any “OMG Saivian is so wonderful I’m overflowing with cash and joy” story from you…
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Laura husbands name is Tim. Do you?
You guys will only be able to take people’s money for so long before it collapses.
I asked Gewecke himself in person at a meeting… who were the sponsors paying them 20% on our receipts and he told me it will be more than a year after they have collected enough from the members to work on getting them!!! They ARE paying enrollee’s with new enrollee’s 28 day payments!
After 30 days you can turn in your receipts to be paid your 20% on… but they only allow you to turn in enough to collect $125. which they will pay you in 60 more days… so thats 90 days and they are taking $125. out of your account every 28 days!!)
This is when you have spent enough to earn $250 during your first month ($1200) which is the max amount you can collect.
The company says they have to do it this way to check if your banking numbers you gave them work!!! Ha Ha, this is a scam to keep from paying you what they advertise.)
So for you to understand, there will always be $750. that they will owe you and you will never get it because if you cancel and quit they keep it. So in a year where if you spent 1200. a month on retail, and $125. every 28 days to savian to pay you 20%, You will earn $750. that year and about 1300 the following year.
Any company I order product from I expect the product I purchased, Savian tells us our 20% is our product and they keep $750. of my purchased product and to me that’s against the law and stealing.
Well, well, well…
I have recently joined the company (Please refrain from snide remarks). A lady from my up line showed us a copy of a rebate check that she had received from the company, so the rebates DO happen.
I understand that people on this site were complaining about rebates taking from a 60 to 90 day wait period, but most companies do the same.
In comparison, two years ago, my girlfriend purchased a cell phone from T-Mobile for me. Not only did she NOT get the rebate, they had changed the rules during the waiting period.
So instead of receiving a $120 visa gift card, instead they claimed that I will get a $100 credit towards my next phone bill.
So, I gave her $120 out of my pocket and complained to T-Mobile saying that it was because of the rebate that this purchase was even considered. At least Saivian has shown to comply with their own rules. (So far, no threat of me losing money.)
I have noticed that you speak of people at the bottom losing to the people at the top. Isn’t that like working for (Ozedit: Offtopic non-MLM related derail attempt removed)
I am sitting here watching a gentleman from my up line earn $300 per day, as he sends the earnings from his eWallet account into his bank account (Yes, very real).
That is $9000/month and people will say, “Don’t do it. It’s a scam! It’s a scheme! It’s a pyramid!” I don’t know about you, but I do not of anyone working at Walmart that makes $9000/month… maybe the store General Manager (MAYBE).
All that I can say is, stop telling people like me to run away. My take home pay (after taxes) at Walmart is just over $6/hr. The old lady that I work with in my department is always complaining about being broke and she has to work in a wheelchair.
I think the real conspiracy is that people do NOT want us to become wealthy, so that we have to keep working for peanuts and pretend that it’s good to have a job. I can’t even afford college. I can barely pay rent, car loan, insurance, gas, food, and cell phone. Why should I live like this because some of you are afraid of “pyramids”?
Everyday, someone turns old enough to join Saivian. So there will always be people at the bottom. I’m at the bottom now. Am I being ripped off? Isn’t that my choice to take a chance with my own money? The guy making $9000 a month right now only joined in January, 2016. Today is June, 2016.
Then I see all of these people saying, “Thanks for the warning, I almost joined.” I have a full-time and part-time job. My Dad makes too much money, so I am not eligible for a student loan.
I take one class per semester, because the books are almost have the cost of the class. Unless you have a better suggestion for me to bring home more money, then stop telling people like me to run away from this type of business.
I am quite sure that I will make more money than lose. Even so, isn’t it my choice? I would like a taste of $9000/month by December, 2016. If you gave me that, I will support you in telling people to stay away too. But we both know that none of you have better ideas for me, so it’s not going to happen.
Thanks for hearing me out!
And how do you think he’s making that money? You and I both know it’s got nothing to do with cashback.
Can’t see a Ponzi scheme for the trees? Some education you’re getting…
And you can bet that very little, if any of that money is from rebates. If your upline is making that kind of money in that short of a period, he’s probably either a natural recruiter or has some years in the game with a list that he regularly churns from one scam to the next.
Your mileage may vary.
There are tons of ways to make money that don’t require selling false hope and pushing pyramids/ponzis.
Hell, Oz could probably make a killing on this blog if he didn’t sanitize the Google ads that are shown.
It sounds like you are quite young and appear to have some compassion for the old lady you work with.
Just know that you are now entering a world where those you are surrounding yourself with would cheerfully steal the wheelchair right out from under your coworker to make an easy buck.
Nobody is telling you to run away or do anything else for that matter. If you want to be a crook when you grow up, so be it.
If it was just your money on the line, most of us wouldn’t give a crap. Our message is more for the naive people who you may or may not be lying to in the future in order to pry some cash out of their hands.
Hopefully you’ll grow up a little bit and find a less nefarious way to improve your lot in life.
Proverbs 28:6 – Better is a poor man who walks in his integrity than a rich man who is crooked in his ways.
I’m assuming you live in the US. The federal government is perfectly willing to provide you with housing, a paying job, and pay for your education. You just have to be willing to provide your life.
(Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempt removed)
So wouldn’t you say the recent additions to saivian and the fact that there is now a company logo on a MasterCard make Saivian an extremely Credible and thriving company!?!? Yeah I think so OZ!
Nope. Because it has nothing to do with using newly invested funds to pay off existing investors who recruit the most investors.
first of all nobody is ‘afraid’ of pyramids. pyramids are despicable because they promote ‘stealing’ and can cause otherwise honest people to unwittingly become a part of the fraud or lose money.
you’re not the first student struggling with tuition and expenses, so don’t bother crying about it. tough times don’t excuse thievery.
I just been talking with someone today for joining it is opening this weekend in uk. is this a working sistem after all?
Does it works somehow then…different opinions…some people are sayin that they are making money now… What is the truth?
$125 x 3 = $375. Payout is $5 for these 3. That is a $370 profit for the ” company “.
So yes, they can easily afford to ” repay ” the 20% back in the form of gift cards. They still are keeping approx. 80% minus the $5 for each 3, for themselves.
DUH! Don’t be a Dum Dum. Just sayin’
You left out the larger ROIs.
Why hasn’t anybody reported them to the SEC or FTC? Isn’t this something they would investigate quickly?
Feds and state AG generally don’t start investigating until they get 10-20 complaints, and it pretty much had to be from victims and whistleblowers, not third-party “I think this is a scam” observers.
Most investigations take months if not years to do. There is not usually a “quick” option for the Feds to do. Am guessing they dont have enough people to investigate all the scams going on and this is in addition to drug cases that take up a majority of the Feds time.
Also if I am not mistaken, there is an amount threshhold before the Feds get involved and also note that the SEC only does civil investigations and then they turn it over to the Feds (FBI, Secret Service) etc… so that takes additional time.
Yeah ok… So how do you explain two of the most highly regarded attorney’s in the industry the Saivian logo on a MasterCard, the M.A.P program and a few other well known individuals involved who wouldn’t touch a pyramid or as you call it a Ponzi scheme.. With a 10 foot pole..
I think it’s time you take a closer look at what’s changed with the company and take notes on what IS a tangible service with payouts that exceed investments… and update your extremely Biased review.
So what you’re saying is Saivian can’t argue the point for itself and need to “associate” itself with people of supposedly better reputation. Is that right?
All you do is pay a consultant to apply for a “Co-branded Mastercard”. Starts at $500 setup fee. Get approved in a week. You really think MasterCard is going to AUDIT the whole company just for co-branding? Wake up, man.
I don’t. I simply reiterate that as a Savian affiliate, I invest $125 and am paid up to $3000 a day based on how many new investors I recruit.
My ROI is sourced from newly invested funds, making Saivian a Ponzi scheme.
Anything that fails to directly address that is irrelevant. You can’t fake legitimacy by association when your business model inhibits financial fraud.
You guy’s need to wake up “MAN”… $125 for shopping Membership.. $240 paid out in receipt redemptions I still come out $115 ahead!
Without participating in affiliate program… Where’s the issue?… It’s a flipping Retail shopping Membership.. whatever!
As a Savian affiliate, I invest $125 and get paid up to $3000 a day based on how many affiliates are recruited after me.
The daily ROI is paid out of newly invested funds sourced from subsequently recruited affiliates, making Savian a Ponzi scheme.
If you don’t care where your money comes from there are FAR more lucrative ventures you could be running. Perhaps it’s “plausible deniability” you’re looking for instead?
Oz, Thats getting a bit off topic.
Oz… I mean K.Chang, the only “Plausible Deniability” here is the fact that your review is crap and not even close to what the truth is.. Time to change it up make adjustments to your information.
Offtopic? How exactly is Saivian’s business model offtopic?
You’ve consistently ignored the fact that after investing $125 in Saivian as an affiliate, I can earn up to $3000 a day based on how many subsequent affiliates are recruited.
This ROI is paid out of newly invested funds, making Saivian a Ponzi scheme.
Your next reply will address this issue or be marked as spam.
If you can’t tell us apart, your judgement is at stake, not mine.
If you can point out mistakes, do so. The fact that you have yet to point out a SINGLE mistake to be corrected makes your demand for “adjustments to your information” uncalled for, which is not surprising due to your existing judgement.
Did did have a few good points guys… Why haven’t you adjusted your report the company has changed and this is coming from someone who has not a care in the world about saivian however I follow the industry closely.
Perhaps OZ could give someone a call over there.
Changed? I just checked the Saivian website and they’re still paying up to $3000 a day.
I don’t give a crap if they’ve changed Now. They lied about the time it takes to get Cashback to get people in. They stole from the very people that $115 back each month might actually help or benefit.
These guys are crooks. I never got any Cashback. Did everything I was supposed to do. So mad that I trusted the people that introduced me to this.
Give it a few days.. I just spoke with a close friend of mine programming will change also are you checking the .com or the .net?
Look correct me if I’m wrong but don’t 99.9% of MLM companies structure compensation plans in this same manner? This will be my last post.. (Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempt removed)
Saivian.net, click compensation. Compensation plan as reviewed here hasn’t changed.
$125 in, recruit investors and get paid $3000 a day representative of 99.9% of MLM compensation plans?
Yeah, consider yourself corrected.
Which is the REAL one? Are you saying one of them is an unauthorized clone? Why haven’t the company deal with the clone spreading incorrect info?
I believe saivian.com is for the actual products (memberships) whilesaivian.net is for the business opportunity.
Ok, this can get real easy to understand. A few things to identify a “GOOD” opportunity from the bad is described below. This comment post will give you some basic knowledge on what to look for in a company like saivian before joining.
1: is there a contact number working on their main website. If not, you’re wasting your time.
2: Are they focused on CUSTOMERS or RECRUITS. Recruiting you to make sales rather than focusing on sales is a waste of aany true companies time. Look at any…. lets use A local barber.
If they focused on recruiting people to cut hair…. but you have to get you’re haircut first…. thats unheard of right? even if you’re hair grew back to where it was in a day. It’s a joke.
3: Cost. I say this because sometimes you do have to put money in. Real estate for instance requires licenses, etc. Does this opportunity have simliar approaches? No they do not. They want 125$ every 28 days from you.
4: Reviews. Now this can be conflicting as some will say its good, some will say bad. So use the WHO WANTS TO BE A MILLIANAIRE approach. You have a lifeline here, ask the audiance.
99% of the time they are right. Take the most average answer…. If out of 100, 80 say it’s a waste of time, it probably is.
Don’t let them tell you oh it’s because the recruits are lazy and just failed at making sales. Look back into real estate. Can you find scam reveiws and compare to good ones? I’m sure there is both but more good than bad.
Use these simple steps and you will be golden. Don’t forget, Google is your best friend.
Just as described above, what do they focus onn? They focus on you, the user. The customer! YOU search, you get answers…. some better than others, sometimes you have to try a different search phrase…. but in the end, if it’s not the right answer, google will know when most users hit that back button. just like bad reviews.
Savian is unfortunately a ponzi scheme. Rather than focus on customers, you are told by the compensation plan right away that you need to recruit.
YOU CANNOT tell someone else to do something you CANNOT do yourself. So even if you are working in savain, you should be perfecting how to get customers not recruits.
IF you did, and you found a way to get 20 sales a day…. THEN and ONLY THEN could you approach a new recruit and show them how you generate sales.
Ask a higher up in your mlm…. they NEVER give their secrets away. This is because the secret is simple. NUMBERS. The more who come in, they make money at the top. SAVAIN IS A SCAM.
Look for a coupon if you want to save 20%. There are plenty of ways to save money, this is a waste and a joke. it will fail and if it doesn’t it will be ripping the public off just to generate money.
Be ethical, don’t be a loser. (Can’t wait to see what saivain rep replies to this one.)
Thanks for the Book looks like someone PP’d in your cornflakes down in loserville this morning…
Hey nobody told you that you needed to recruit with saivian! The company does give you the option…moreover it looks as if your implying that every MLM is a Ponzi.
And thanks for “everybody who disagrees with me is a looser” rant. You have not contributed to the convo at all other than your vitriol.
K Chang: yes my criticism does get nasty at times. Especially when the other party is so clearly wrong! Saivian is a “Good” company as I stated previously had anyone done a bit more research on the “NEW” enhancements!! the review is WRONG
Also your spelling needs correcting, “Loserville” not Looserville!
Not as per compensation plan on the Saivian website. The Saivian compensation plan still clearly has affiliates paying $125 a month on the promise of a $3000 ROI, based on how many subsequently recruited affiliates are placed in their downline.
The ROI has nothing to do with cashback, with the only other identifiable source of revenue being invested affiliate funds.
This makes Saivian a Ponzi scheme. Your next comment will address this directly (not in “what about this” manner) or it will be marked as offtopic spam.
So name the stuff he got wrong, and EXPLAIN WHY does that make Saivian NOT a scam.
So far, all I see from you is blanket accusations “You are wrong!” That’s whining, not rebuttal.
Hey just wondering how they are getting all the client on board to do the instant saving discounts that are on their website?
Also why MasterCard would approve them pre-paid cards to roll out to all members?
They aren’t, it’s a third-party network.
They didn’t, it’s a third-party processor.
When will you people learn, legitimacy by association is bullshit.
Its just launched in the UK a lot of people are promoting it who promoted another dubious shopping type scheme Lifetree World.
So it is a co-branded credit card or a gift/money card they load? Big difference in the two?
Do people still have to select their 10 stores the previous month to shop at? Have any stores been marked off?
You can only gather so much info from a small town gas station. Has the info buyer ever been revealed?
It’s as if those folks can’t find anything *more* legitimate, doesn’t it?
Duke commented and asked:
I doubt there is anyone requesting this information about the buyer. The method of copying receipts is so 20th century.
Don’t have time to read but I want to know if they pay you to mail in your receipts without paying the 125 per month.
If not, then it doesn’t make sense because Capitol One pays me cash back every time I make a purchase.
My husband and I joined at the recommendation of a close friend. We paid $125 and then started entering our receipts as directed each week.
On the website it clearly states you will receive 20% back in thirty days. Twenty-eight days later we are charged another $125.
We continue to faithfully enter our receipts each week (and it’s a pain as you have to use the same card so my husband and I are sharing the same card to pump gas and get groceries, etc.).
So we’re $250 in and still NO REBATE, so we go to log onto our account to enter receipts one week and we’ve been locked out.
The site is requesting another $125 to get back into OUR account. It won’t allow us to even look at our “balance.”
We contact John Cini who directs us to his paypal account and asks for another $125 before he’ll give us the code to view our website. We don’t pay.
We both text and ask if it’s possible to earn 20% without recruiting anyone. We were told you didn’t have to recruit and still earn from the 20% program. We couldn’t exactly recruit without seeing if the program worked first.
He never replied to our question. As we continued to ask questions to our upline we were repeatedly told to sign people up and we’ll make a profit.
There is no product and the 20% rebate claim is false. You cannot make money unless you recruit. You can’t even claim the 20% rebate from your receipts.
We feel like we’ve been scammed and feel so, so stupid. We’re waiting for the company to collapse. Eventually it will have to.
(And by the way, our friend feels scammed too. She signed up several but have yet to receive money from the receipts, just a cut from their friends’ sign on fee. They feel awful for having dragged their friends into this.)
It continues to grow in the UK. Some UK leaders are telling people the business is exempt from UK Income Tax as they only receive cashback.
Time to sic the HMRC on them, you think?
HOW CAN PEOPLE SAY SAIVIAN IS DRAINING YOUR BANK ACCOUNT WHEN ALL THEY HAVE IS THE LAST 4 DIGITS SUBMITTED IN YOUR BACK OFFICE.
THEIR NO DIRECT DEBIT SET IN PLACE AND SAIVIAN DOES NOT DEBIT YOUR ACCOUNT MONTHLY WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT.
Is the shift key broken on your computer? That’s an awful lot of caps for one comment… LOL.
DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW THE HECK TO CANCEL THE MEMBERSHIP??? Company Phone number??
A reason why state and Federal law enforcement agencies do not pursue these types of businesses is that due to their pyramidal structure, no single individual is likely to be defrauded of more than a small amount of money, typically a few hundred dollars.
There is no justifying spending hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on prosecuting a thousand tiny misdemeanors.
For the same reason, there will not be any civil suits, such as a class action by the bottom tier, who usually end up losing money, because what you would find is that there’s nobody and no entity with any assets to sue, by the time it reaches the level where large numbers of people begin losing money.
Some state AG’s will take action if enough people complain, but again by that time the money is dissipated and the upper tier players have moved on, sheltered their gains and prepared their defenses.
That’s why the regulatory agencies specifically target the owner /organizer.
Wow the Shit it getting deep in here.
Seriously? Did your mother have any kid’s that lived? DUH! You cancel in the back office JackAss!
If you have to pay $125 a month for membership to participate, what do you get for the $125??
If commission is paid out based on just membership payment of $125 alone, how is this a legal business with no product moved on that $125? Am I missing something?
@Oz.. I am so thankful for this thread. I was just contacted yesterday by a good friend. This was explained to me as a marketing research company who will offer cash-back rebates to your most frequented stores.
Essentially 20% of $1200= $240 a month for a membership fee of $125. So, all in, I would still make $115 a month.
They did share the recruitment opportunity which would allow additional income and stated their good friend, who recently signed up is now making $3000 a month.
I was all on board to turn in my receipts for market research and be paid, but the added layer of being paid additional monies for signing people up under me just didn’t seem kosher.
My friend told me that you don’t have to sign people up and you can just participate in the market research portion. Clearly othes on this thread disagree.
She also failed to mention that you always have to use the same “card” which of course is odd when you think about it; especially after learning they take the funds directly out of your checking account.
It’s just another red flag this isn’t used for marketing research and they are attempting to limit payouts.
I am thinking my friend is still so new to this, she doesn’t know any better. Also, if payouts aren’t received for almost 90 days, clearly they have a rolling pool of funds to pay the inline folks and then some funds to you months later; that is until the money runs out.
I am just thankful I found this thread before I signed up because “clearly” this is not a marketing research company.
I really need people to understand everything that has happened.
I became part of this company in Feb of 2016. As a matter of fact i flew to Las Vegas and was at the launch that they had. I was also asked to come to a private party at the Cosmopolitan which was across the street from where the event was.
there i met EJ Dalius, Kevin Marino, Steve Gewecki and the attorney that was representing that company at the time.
This attorney was supposed to be one of the best MLM attorneys out there. But they fired him right after that event. Then they say they hired Kevin Thompson.
Why Kevin Thompson would have anything to do with this company is beyond me. Well if you think about it i do believe he was BK’s attorney at Vemma when it got in trouble as well.
Long story short we became part of the company and immediately there were problems with getting paid because there was fraud on the banking where they were pulling out the money from our bank accounts they say.
What really happened is the bank refused to do the business because they were pulling to much money from peoples bank accounts and the bank was not comfortable with it.
So we were asked to send in a form which was a authorization form for withdrawing money from our account. Even though we did that it did not work. The bank was not having it at all.
Next we moved to a company called Genie. You can find them at Geniecashbox.com This did not work as after just a short time.
So the next thing that happen proves that the money is coming from people joining. Saivian was still letting people accumulate the daily pay during this process.
Here is the problem they were letting people join and they had no way of collecting the 125 because they had no institution to do so. This went on for quite some time.
My business was accruing 50 dollars a day. But all of a sudden i get a huge chargeback for all of the people who joined and could not pay. My account went in the negative.
Please remember all of this time not only can they collect money they are not paying either.
So then they start looking for a company to help them get a paycard and a ewallet to make it work. I happen to know the company and the person they went to at first to have it done.
Well this person i know that has a 96% approval rate on high risk companies cant get them through because their history is so bad. So we are still not getting paid and the money is building again.
Then the company started a amnesty program. They let us go back and bring all the people back in with 125 Dollar Passes. That means you use your own money in your account to buy passes to bring them back in.
Saivian finally found a company which is Circa Black Card to do a Mastercard for them. This still took forever to get done.
My question to Kevin Marino was if we are getting a Mastercard why would not wait and start the Amnesty program when people get the card and the money is on it.
Answer: Cant do that because to much money will run the the merchants account at once and it will be shut down.
So to date i received my Mastercard and had to fill out a ton of info just to be able to pull money out of my account to the card.
It is stated that when you redeem your first money on the card it can only be 125.00. The reason they say is because we need that to go through to make sure its going to the right person. Then you can request all the money you want.
I requested my 125.00 and it says you must wait 6 days to get it. Well i got it in 7 days.
Here is where the problem is. I requested the balance of 870.00 on the 10th of August and it is still not here.
I happen to have EJ and Kevins personal phone number. Ej says he will check on it Monday. He also said i did not know you were still promoting Saivian.
My response was ,”What does that have to do with getting my wife paid because its her account.
EJ says,” Oh i did not know your wife was a networker! I responded by saying ,”I did not know you needed to be a networker to promote a 20 % cash back.
Ladies and gentlemen if you are in Saivian please pay attention to what i just wrote. This company is dangerous and i do not like companies like this that destroy this industry.
I want to let everyone here know that i am seeing my attorney on Monday and we are starting a class action lawsuit.
I am going to do you tube videos as well to get signatures from people that have been hurt and not paid by this company. So if you would like to get involved i am setting up a email for you to write your story and email in.
Oz i know you have many that has been hurt by this company and i would appreciate your help on getting these people to the email with their stories.
No emails for legal stuff unless something has already been filed. Otherwise we get scammers fishing for information.
I am glad someone is finally doing something about it. I was scammed by a friend that I trusted.
She told me she going to be a millionaire with this company- and those guys you mentioned love her. She’s very convincing but, she’s also a liar.
They tout her as winning cupcake wars… In my research I found she was on there but got kicked out in the first round.
Every thing she has done has failed because she can only fool people so long… And for someone who’s making all this money with this company… I also read on here that she filed bankruptcy…
That is public info people, I would run! It’s imploding.
I have it on Good authority that Ron Pruett was cross recruiting and this is why I understand the funds were frozen.
Oz, take my things down please. it is a must by the way it is getting misconstrued.
Misconstrued how? The information in your initial comment looks pretty straight-forward to me.
Your beef with Saivian for getting terminated for cross-recruitment has nothing to do with the information published here.
I don’t see any harm in letting the information in your original comment stand.
First thing is i am not terminated at this point. I am trying to collect my wifes money its her account. So with that said. If i ask you to take down a post that i wrote you should do so.
There are more things than you know at this point and i am sure its not something you want to be involved in . I will keep you posted so please take my comments down
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Here is what you do not know i have actual proof showing that a 5 star cross recruited many people from my team. She is still in the company today.
By the way i did not cross recruit. I talked to many people about the company and the trying times that they were going through. Also i answered questions and so did my wife about what was going on with the people my wife recruited as well.
So blahblahblah, cross-recruitment problems.
Like I said, doesn’t seem to have anything to do with the content posted here.
Just curious, it’s been 10months plus now – are people getting their cashbacks & referral pays…cox it seem the company is doing just fine and expanding.
Maybe they are really getting paid by BIG BRAND companies for information just as they said like FACEBOOK… Any input from someone in the business longer than 6month??
I have been with the company a few months and can vouch that we have been receiving our cash back and referrals pay ..
Daily I am able to spend the money that I have accumulated.. And I am an International member!
I have a question about saivian being a Ponzi scheme.
There’s no physical product being sold what could qualify it as a Ponzi according to some people. What they sell is cashback membership. When new people join they purchase membership. So technically it is selling memberships to people and not recruiting. You can make money by selling memberships.
If you look at it from this perspective would it make saivian a legitimate business and not a Ponzi sheme ?
Using newly invested funds to pay off existing investors makes Saivian a Ponzi scheme, not whether there’s a pseudo-compliance product attached or not.
You can, but nobody is.
Again, anything you “can” do in a scheme where it’s possible to invest and receive subsequently invested funds (via recruitment in this case) is pseudo-compliance.
How do you know that funds to pay off existing investors come from new investors and not from company profits ? They say that they sell receipts to advertisers who pay big money for them.
Let’s think about this for a moment.
Who is entering all this supposed data you are submitting? You do know without it in computerized form the data is just a bunch of junk paper, yes? How much do you plan to play for part-time workers to enter all this by hand?
If the orders were from merchants themselves they already have the data or can be tracked from their own loyalty cards. Why would they pay 25% of the receipt for their own data?
If the orders were NOT from merchants themselves then this gets into MAJOR privacy issues, not to mention 25% of the receipt? Who gives 25% rebate just to SEE your receipt?
One or two items, sure. the entire receipt where they see stuff from their competitors? Stuff they don’t even sell? Does that even MAKE SENSE?
How many participating merchants is Saivian getting to make the data acquisition via Saivian worthwhile? Depends on how many Saivian shoppers there are, but unless Saivian members already are in the millions data is worthless, and certain not worth 25% of the receipt value.
Add it together, the answer is very obvious: “big money” is non-sense. There is no other income.
Furthermore, think about it… If receipts are worth this much, WHY WOULD THEY NEED YOUR MONEY?!?!?!?!
Clearly, you are NOT told the whole truth.
Nice explanation K. Chang.
Saivian is right up there with the ‘driving through parking lots and writing down license plate numbers to sell that data’ Ponzi.
Got to hand it to these scammers though. They can get sooo creative.
Because the only prerequisite to earn a daily ROI is recruitment of affiliates who pay $125.
The cashback side of the business has nothing to do with the Ponzi scheme.
this people who are saying that they got paid cash back after being with them after 11 weeks HAS to be a liar. the cash back program takes:
-30 days before you can claim THEN
-30 Days from emailing receipts THEN
-apply for a payment which will take 30 days to process. MINIMUM.
the person saying they got international cash back already- impossible.
it only launched the retail receipt program last month- we are only about a month and a half in- they are only half way thru their redemption checking period so how can they have already been paid?
PLUS the credit card program was delayed and only just started taking on sign ups for the replacement card program.
the only way people are making money is by using their virtual commmisions to generate codes then selling those codes for real money. IE they are having international uplines do their dirty ponzi work instead of doing it themselves.
They already are having money problems. Money is not being paid out in a timely manner…..if at all.
They already are having money problems. Money is not being paid out in a timely manner…..if at all.
I joined only to get the 20% ha ha. I got one redemption long after the due date. I now have two due to me $250 and $125. My redemption button was removed from my website so I can’t request more, $250 was moved to ewallet so the only way I can get any of that since I am not a recruiter is to sell passes.
The last $125 is in cyberspace. Tell me they arent having money problems! They come up with all kinds of crap to get out of paying.
I feel they want to get rid of me cause in not recruiting.
Now i got an offer from my friend to join this scam.its in canada now. Montreal Quebec. This city is known for its history of telemarketing scams worldwide.
Its less than 2 months old in canada and boy is it growing like weeds from what I can tell.
I did my due diligence thanks mainly to this site. i hope my friend learns from this as i referred him to this site to pursue due diligence.
I have been in too many mlms over the years hoping for the best and trying to work hard at it failed miserably.
Waste of money. Waste of time. Stay away from money cults. They are a curse.
I have friends in saivian and ones quite high up and they are all pulling out in australia as they can not prove the marketing partners and they are not getting paid properly either…. its a fucking joke…. its companies like these tgat ruin the industry…….
I feel sorry for my friends and those that have lost money.
Oz, please post this for all to see!
I Just got off the phone with a very close friend who gave me the inside scoop on what’s happening with saivian. What I was told is factual information.
First off Eric Dalius is the owner of saivian!
2. John Sheehan has resigned from saivian!
3. there are no marketing partners!
4. The advisory board has been disbanded!
5. There is no customer service!
6. Almost All of the leaders are off promoting other businesses.
7. The company is for fact being investigated by other countries regulatory agencies.
8. The Shit is about to hit the proverbial Fan!
9. There is still no international pay platform
10. To be continued!
There are very large international teams who have built very large organizations, They have been patiently waiting since JUNE 25th for their pay cards we are now approaching October!
WHY hasn’t the international team been paid!! Nobody will give Eric Dalius a merchant account because of the Thousands of people he has Scammed in the past.
There is no customer service.. You can’t even get a flipping password reset, if you call you never get through and that’s because nobody works there!
they want us to think they have their shit together when in fact the company is run by 4 people and a laptop!
unfortuaivian does not Add never did have marketing partners! Saivian’s president John Sheehan has resigned from the company over a month ago and corporate has yet to notify the field! WTF!!
OMG Eric Dalius! Total scammer.
I have heard some of the same things. We were told owner left and advisory board disbanded.
I can vouch for pay issues on rebates. I still haven’t got mine. Money was transferred to e wallet and I had to sell passes so Savian didn’t give rebate.
They are making members sell passes. What a joke!
My boyfriend signed me up cause of the rebates. He still doesn’t believe they are doing anything wrong.
OMG got sick listening to Eric J. Dalius, Steve Gewecke and Kevin Marino lies on last night’s calls.
ALL ANNOUNCEMENTS ARE PROMOS to take more money in just like last promos.. Pay for 2 advance auto ships 3rd is FREE.. Combo passes? Glad my team stoped promoting this POS scam August 13th.
Since beginning ZERO DOLLARS in commission have been paid to to international affiliates. Tens of millions of digital dollars sitting in ewallets. People like Kevin Marino (Master Manipulators) have sold MILLIONS of dollars in digital WTF? What kind of product is that?? ZERO RETAIL CUSTOMERS.
John Sheehan quit 3 weeks ago (never announced by Company) and he has SocialTrax removing all traces of himself from the Internet and social media and that’s from horses mouth.
He refused to sign for more credit for EJ Dalius and his band of thieves. The largest bank in the world denied them for processing credit cards or payment cards.
After talking to a friend at Circa Card on threshold of all processing being stopped due to Charge backs. Most of my US team has charged back their credit cards and company doesn’t even fight it because this whole company is ran from Eric Dalius’ laptop. NEVER HAD A CUSTOMER SERVICE joke….
Sheehan’s profile is gone from LinkedIn, twitter and Facebook. His company is no longer listed at a Madison Ave. address which I’ve been to 2 times nothing but an Executive Suite.
As long as they can keep the plates spinning on International side, Millions coming in…zero going out. Less than 22,367 active in whole company. Same MO as before. Hype, hype hype take , take, take then hide, hide, hide…
Can’t wait for Eric Dalius to be arrested he has fled PA because he has violated court order not to own, promote, participate in a Multi Level or Network Marketing company ever.
He is on the run. Law firm in North Carolina offering money for whereabouts so anybody please post where he or Steve Gewecke last seen in Guam.
Local UK reps that left company Sept 6th have alerted that Kevin Marino supposedly going to set foot on their soil very soon for another team there in UK can’t wait for him to get out of this debacle. To bad for Kevin Marino and my sponsor Bill Toth hope it was worth it.
Saivian is a joke.
How can anyone in their right state of mind not see what’s going on with this company run by Eric Dalius a former untrustworthy person.
Watching it all unfold is sickening to me because in the end the people that truly believe in the membership and the vision, their dreams are going to be broken.
Where is John Sheehan. The guy who was a puppet for the company since day one. Why didn’t corporate announce his departure? Oh that’s because Eric Dalius is corporate.
Why is the company terminating people’s accounts with no warning and no emails sent to the individuasl? Oh that’s because Eric Dalius is corporate. (No compliance) they do what they want to do to protect the company.
Why is the company built on passes? Oh that’s because Eric Dalius is exchanging money virtually and once again he is corporate. Eric must love passes because there’s no merchant issues.
Yet people are clueless to the fact a company can’t solely survive on passes and no one knows the truth about people not giving Eric Dalius the time of day when it comes to having his own merchant accounts.
It’s so obvious the top leaders even the people at corporate that are helping build this company are driven by one thing, and that one thing is MONEY. How sad.
95%+ of the growth is internationally. Eric Dalius doesn’t care about the US he’s driven to where the money is coming in. When people smarten up and realize what’s going on it will be the death of this illusion.
People are owed money, people are getting doubled charged, and there’s absolutely no marketing partners. When someone uses the membership they’re literally taking money out of Eric Dalius’s pocket.
The promotions are always 100% to help the company create more revenue, not help the average person get access to their cashback which takes 90 plus days to receive which they deserve.
Did you ever wonder why Eric Dalius makes its difficult to get your cashback? lol probably not, because everyone is so consumed with building through the compensation plan.
I could go on!
Hopefully people read this, wake up and realize Saivian is all an illusion and that Eric Dalius and the top leaders helping build this company are no better than him.
Heard on the grapevine that receipt cashback will be out soon in favor of a “Global Savings Plan” affiliate merchant network.
If merchants are signed up to Savian through an internal merchant network then cashback will still be available.
Affiliates are unable to get paid due to ongoing card issues. A new card is supposedly in the pipeline but subject to a $10 monthly fee.
@OZ What do you mean ?
Is Saivian a scam ?
I dont understand , help me out to understand your post of 4th october plz !
As long as Saivian are paying a monthly ROI based on recruitment of new affiliates (who all pay a fee), of course it is. That’s Ponzi fraud.
Watching the cashback crumble is just observation of the wheels falling off the greater scam.
I heard that Kevin Marino was on his way to the UK with his hot little seller… Laura who has scammed more than a few people into this game.
I was one of them until I realized what it was. I think there’s a little more going on there than work, but he seems to think that she’s on top.
Not sure why he took her with him but I’m sure there’s a reason behind it.
Are you seriously telling me that Laura H. Is with Kevin Marino in the U.K.? OH BOY!
Lmao I bet she’s been promoted to a 5 star fool! Maybe she’s going to hand deliver the pay cards!
Last week two very well known Leaders just up and Quit! They Did warn the team that saivian is a total Scam. I remember hearing him on the calls Charles I think his name was anyway him and someone high up the ranks walked away from the International team too.
I am happy to see people have ethics and are not 100% money motivated like 99% of the leaders in this industry.
I look forward to seeing Eric J Dalius and Kevin Marino in handcuffs as their hauled off to a Federal pound me in the Ass prison!!
Why hasn’t the FTC or Attorney general’s stepped in and shut saivian down?
How can they keep getting away with this? And what can the General public do to get saivian shut down?
You’d have to ask them.
Saivian’s monthly ROI is securities fraud so the SEC would be a good place to start.
Can I ask who get pay or not get pay after August on this site?
Saivian develop fast in China and Korea. But no one get pay by company.
All of them join by Pass，and since the cash back need 3 months after join， no one knows the truth. But everyday hundreds of people join.
It’s lucrative for the chosen.
Kevin & Laura have had an extremely enjoyable weekend in the United Kingdom with an army of faithful followers who are completely sold on being multiple millionaires with this outstanding company within a matter of months.
They have been broadcasting on social media, yet notably very little was said, there was no real structure to the event.
It seemed almost like a members self appreciation meeting!
A couple of my friends have become involved and consequently I have been offered to join.
Not a chance I would join, I’m just hoping against hope that people don’t loose too much money.
I would really like to make them arrest? What is SEC @ OZ?
The SEC regulate MLM Ponzi schemes in the US.
What are we waiting for?
I am from Quebec Canada not sure i can do anything about it 🙁
You don’t have to be in the US to file a report with the SEC.
@mixed messages- Just dig a little into Laura’s public record. She has just recently filed bankruptcy.
If she’s doing so great, why file? Why not pay what you owe? She is very convincing- I think histornic even- it seems like she knows how to work her way up in a company – one way or another.
Can’t wait till it all crumbles and they all get what they deserve. There is a lot to be learned about her.
I encourage you to dig and question her and let her followers be aware of who they are following. It’s all a scam.
Oh Boy, I know, these people are shockingly translucent, it’s insane.
There is enough information on this group to send folk screaming for the hills but they are being blind sided by the promise of extortionate amounts of money, so long as they keep on paying and keep on recruiting.
They must ignore negative comments at all times.
Half price holidays and free cash being the latest buzz. Sadly they have still got a good deal of momentum to keep this running for awhile.
The cards are stacking higher and they will fall and crash eventually.
If this correct, then most MLM businesses exclude bankrupts from being involved in the business. Patently scammers have no such scruples.
A friend asked me to be apart of Saivian but when I asked who was running the company I immediately ran in the other direction.
This same friend is now complaining to me about the problems the company is experiencing.
Eric Dalius is a guy you don’t want to build a MLM business with. Years ago I heard stories of him burning people and now as you can see he drug his family into this mess.
Brad Dalius and Kim Dalius must be pulling their hair out. I would be willing to bet people are not getting paid on time.
Soon you’ll see Eric slowly drift away specially when he feels he made enough to do so.
He never had a long term vision for anything he started. The company is not really a company it’s run on a few bank accounts under different names tied to Eric Dalius. That’s obvious.
I read through this whole thread and if doesn’t paint the picture for you to retreat nothing will. Be smart and simply look at the track record of the individual running the show. Houses built out of cards eventually fall down.
@ House of cards
I hope your friend manages to get any owed funds quickly.
Saivian members can now access worldwide holidays with as much as a 60% discount and then get a further 20% cash back, it is totally unrealistic to believe you can can jet off to somewhere spectacular for just 20% of the original price.
Can anyone enlighten me please.
How are they managing to offer this?
They absolutely did go with him! Ha! Wonder how long she will be married this time at that rate?
I think all of the people who led people astray should be in cuffs; including her. People need to be posting all of their walls so their followers can see what’s going on. I was – until she blocked me! Ha!
They promote her as some awesome business woman who won cupcake wars. She was the first one kicked off. They hated them. I hate liars. I lost a lot to her. So over it.
I don’t know how they do it but I do know people overseas and in Canada are jumping through hoops to get paid and are not getting paid on time. That’s straight out of my friends mouth.
As for my friend I simply warned him from day one that everything Eric Dalius has done in this industry people got burned in the process. I can make someone aware of something but I certainly can’t make up their decision to join or not. Unfortunately people will learn the hard way.
How glad I am to come across this site while searching online about Saivian.
Today I was approached by a relative about this scheme with similar sales pitches as above, % cash back from receipts, getting 3 others to join etc.
I was immediately suspicious but what is a worry is that others I know have already joined. I will share this site to them. cheers!
Getting paid like clockwork, everyone I know is getting paid.
You people are incredible. Rooting for the company to fail and for people to get arrested. Clearly a bunch of dream stealers here.
Unfortunately a lot of weak minded, worker mentality have listened to this crazy rhetoric. We don’t need you guys. Go back to your 9-5 slavery mentality working for the “man”.
Look it is $125 dollar deal. If you paid in for 2 months and have not made any money, you don’t get it and are doing something wrong. Quit. You are out a whopping $250. Yeah you have to declare bankruptcy, give me a break!
This blog as far as I can read is against ALL MLM. They are all crooks and scammers. Yes in a lot of cases they are correct but not all cases. The jury is still out on this one but so far so good.
A lot of people have failed in business and owe people money or people lost money with them. I do not write them off. They get the benefit of the doubt with me as long as they are not asking me for tens of thousands of dollars.
With my continued research into this company, I cannot find any affiliate companies who are actually paying for the data on these receipts, that people are religiously paying monthly to upload to generate their 20% Cashback.
Nor can I find the work force who check each receipt.
Saivian members are very caging when asked, giving the impression that they too cannot answer these questions either.
Is there anyone here who knows the companies buying this info or is this fictitious?
Paying $125 and getting a daily ROI based on how many other affiliates who pay $125 you’ve recruited = Ponzi scheme.
That you’re successfully scamming people under this fraudulent business model is neither here nor there.
I think no one buy the receipt info for they called big data.
Their instant saving website (instantsavings.enjoymydeals.com/home) just a private label site of enjoymydeals.com.
Wouldn’t that be you – the dream stealer?
You get people into this “business” to pay for your rebates.
SO your take when they can’t find anyone so they get paid like you is to go get a job?
Let us know how well it goes in a few months when no one is getting paid even you.
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This is an opportunity to make some money. Until it is officially declared a ponzi scheme I have no problem. Just because OZ says so that is not a court of law just his opinion.
Costco (Ozedit: is not an MLM company, offtopic derail attempt removed)
This is for professionals and people willing to work hard. It is not a get rich quick scheme, you need that 4 letter word that most people do not want to do.
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I invest $125 and get paid a daily ROI when others invest $125.
With no other verified source of revenue other than $125 affiliate investment, the ROI is obviously funded by subsequent investment.
Using newly invested funds to pay off existing investors = Ponzi scheme.
Good grief, it’s hard to swallow how excited people are getting from ripping off other people.
Whilst their are a genuine number of people who are actually completely sold on this company earning the money from long established businesses.
There is zero evidence that this is taking place, the fact that it is a Ponzi scheme is glaringly obvious.
I invite the head poncho’s at Saivian to produce that evidence.
Have none of their members noticed the ever changing ways in which they promote this ‘business’ to keep its current members happy and keep on promoting new membership.
The donkey and carrot scenario, just keep on paying your $125, get us loads of new members to do the same and watch an ever increasing sum of money generate in your back office.
There is always a new promise for tomorrow
So now it’s posted all over their accounts that they have sealed the deal with bitcoin and Grant Cardone… Do they not realize that the scam just became more evident to everyone?
They have a lot to celebrate, the top line got rich. $$$
I’ve just watched one of the seminars to celebrate saivian’s first year.
Easy to see where the money comes from to host these, members have been charged $125 ‘per ticket’ to attend. I’ll bet Grant Cardone’s Fee for speaking wasn’t cheap either.
Eric J Dalius was a lead consultant but now he is the existing president of Saivian, ‘in house promotions.’
I wonder if he got a hefty pay rise?
Awooga! Awooga! Dive Dive Dive!
Just 24 hours after they closed the doors on the 1 year celebration event in Vegas, Steve Gewecke yesterday resigned as Director of Marketing. And Zach Heilman resigned as Director of Social Media and his wife Susan Peppleman resigned yesterday as Coordinator of Weekly Womens’ Leadership Call/Social media.
All 3 were members of the core corporate office. Only 2 remaining now, EJ Dalius and Kevin Marino.
Word is, their dispute was all based around non-payment of corporate bonuses leading to non-renewal of Corpoarate contracts. Hmmmm!
Kevin’s contract comes up for renewal in December. Maybe EJ will take on a dual role now… President AND Master Affiliate rolled into one.
It’s like some kind of cult. Everyone drunk on the promises. Nobody outside US getting paid actual money. Still no sign of the PayCards regardless of promises made leading up to and during the Big Birthday Bash in Vegas.
Many been waiting for PayCards since May 2016. Yet people are still even now, actively promoting this company, selling it to their family and friends, the very people they should be protecting the most from these disreputable fraudsters.
Thousands have handed over their credit card details AND Photo IDs too, and paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in PayCard enrollment fees ($45) and to buy tickets to their crazy Vegas events even though 99% of them live internationally and will never get to Vegas to attend.
Saivian has never used a 3rd party card platform to process these payments either. All credit card numbers, Photo IDs and personal details going straight into Dalius’ personal pocket book ready for one final huge money grab before they turn out the Saivian lights for good.
IT’S TIME TO WAKE UP!
I’ve heard the same via email:
Three executives leaving at the same time because of rumored payment issues doesn’t reflect a stable company.
So who is this Ryan Evans they just brought on to be the COO?
Likely has no clue of the depth of the lie he is uprooting his life to move to California for?
Ryan Evans is Laura Harte brother…..
I believe Ryan Evans is Laura Harte’s brother.
I checked out their site again, the executives biographies have been replaced with the China events ticket price of $125!
Deep sigh, people are still heavily promoting this!
Who promoted “EJ” Eric J.Dalius from “lead consultant” to President/CEO as most of the rest of the corporate “staff” parted ways with the company?
Answer: ERIC DALIUS promoted himself.
I guess there’s truth to the fact that a sucker is born everyday.
So corporate all leaves. And now on the rumor mill the #1 guy Corey Chadwick just hoped ship….yikes
That is hilarious that he is her brother. She is an all outlier promoting herself as something that she’s not.
Who knows if he is honest… But I can tell you from everything that I’ve dug up on her she is a fraud.
Just heard Kevin Marino has been demoted to that of “trainer”. Poor diddums… No longer getting paid Kevin? Gee that sucks!
Too late to separate yourself now Kevin! You’ve done a few too many conference cocktail party photo ops for that.
Enjoy your yacht while you can. Hope the FTC nails your Arse to EJs when they haul you off to jail.
I always say don’t get mad, get even. I’m not a passive person and I work hard for my money only to have it stolen by these scammers. I had over 900 people in 1 of my legs in Saivian with over 800 in 16 countries.
NONE of these people have EVER been paid. Kevin Marino , Bill Toth, Eric Dallius, Cory Chadwick and others had myself many of my team purchase over $44,000 in digital passes which it doesn’t appear that those funds ever reached the company (FRAUD).
Back in September I spoke to the North Carolina Attorney Generals office. After filing a complaint there I was referred to NC Department of Justice office. Also found out this is money laundering and the SEC, FTC and Homeland Security all need to be notified..
3 weeks ago I filed a complaint with the North Carolina Department of Justice: ncdoj.com/Consumer/2-2-12-File-a-Complaint.aspx and you can file also from anywhere in the world.
On corporate Update call last week heard the lies being spewed about Better Business Bureau and Direct Sellers Association. B.S. Call the BBB you will find out the truth.
See the link below they are now listed in Los Angeles BBB and have a (B -) rating. If you lost your money charge it back on your cards, checking etc in cases of fraud you have longer to recover.
Since there has NEVER been a Saivian customer service by Eric Dalius’s and Kevin Marino’s own admission, file a complaint below. Also you can file theft by credit card or check with your local police department also..
HERE IS SAIVIAN BBB RECORD (NOT BBB ACCREDITED): bbb.org/losangelessiliconvalley/business-reviews/multi-level-selling-companies/saivian-in-los-angeles-ca-646429
HERE IS WHERE YOU FILE A SAIVIAN BBB COMPLAINT: bbb.org/losangelessiliconvalley/business-reviews/multi-level-selling-companies/saivian-in-los-angeles-ca-646429/file-a-complaint
It’s sad that most people won’t get involved or take a stand. Soon your friends, family, co-workers and unsuspecting people that continue to engage in this PONZI SCHEME will know you could have warned them and helped them get their money back. Shame on me and you for not taking action sooner.
That you can get this message across to people and get ‘your 900 people’ to come forward and speak out about not being paid.
There is still a huge amount of hype with new members claiming to have made thousands in a few short weeks and they are being strongly encouraged not to listen to anything negative.
May I ask what are the digital passes they are selling? I’m aware of them selling training and event tickets whether you can attend or not.
I still have friends caught up in this, but they are not listening, as far as they are concerned they are going to be extremely rich with this life changing opportunity.
It’s so painful to watch them plan for a luxury future in the new year. They think I’m a fool for not joining.
I seriously don’t know where this will end.
Genuine kudos to you Sally for your efforts exposing this scam BUT….
Did you perform a google search before being personally responsible for involving 900 other people in this scam?
Oz’s review is a year old. Have you recruited in this last year?
I posted about Bill Toth a few years ago. He was involved in the huge international Flexkom scam and several others. It’s right there in a google search.
My criticism today addresses the BIG PICTURE. Savian will have a different name, and there will be another Sally unless we stop people from joining these schemes in the first place – not exposing after the fact!
Sally, if this is your first MLM, my apology for sounding harsh and using your mistake as the example here.
@ Here’s Hoping
This is how the Digital passes / only way for an International affiliate to currently get paid.
Ok saivian has what’s called an ewallet as you begin to rank up your comissions show up into your ewallet as your balance begins to accure say you have a balance of $250 and someone in your downline needs to renew you then purchase a Pass code from corporate for $125 corporate sends you the code you then sell the code to your downline via PayPal… since there is no international credit card platform this is your only option to get paid!
This is what Eric J Dalius calls the Pass economy!
Just a side note there will NEVER be an International pay card and that is by design by the president of saivian International Mr. EJ.
By the way Happy birthday to the chief, president and mastermind of this scam Eric J Dalius.
Some have claimed to have successfully applied for the Saivian MasterCard and some say they have received it.
But I feel at this point members will say anything to recruit more members in the hope they will become rich some day.
Ever notice it’s always “MasterCard” with these scams? (Banners Broker for example)
Exactly what kind of MasterCard is it?
It’s the kind that you can’t withdraw any money from… fake ficticious fraud.
I would have to say knowing EJ He probably will go out and buy 10,000 pre-paid mastercards send them of course with 0 ZERO FUNDS ON THEM.. people need to get a flipping clue!
Whitelabel MC or Visa are not hard to get. Debit / Gift cards are even easier.
The other day, Saivian announced that they have their first Presidential Ambassador ($3000 per day).
For those that don’t know, the name is Wanbo Xu, from China. Needless to say, even at $3000 per day, Wanbo Xu has no paycard, and is only making money from recruiting his fellow countrymen into this scam company. And no doubt EJ is delighted! BECAUSE HE IS DOING ALL THE WORK, AND EJ DALIUS DOESN’T HAVE TO PAY HIM A CENT!!!
Sad thing is so few people in China can actually afford the ongoing $125 USD per 28 days payment. So what are they giving up to be able to pay this money? Food, Rent. Not to mention their freedom and even their lives. Maybe even entire families will be arrested before this is over.
At best Network Marketing is illegal in China. What price will these Chinese citizens pay when the true extent of Dalius’s fraud is finally revealed?
BUT Here’s a thought!!! How do we even know that this WANBO XU is real? Is anyone even connected to this Wanbo Xu? Or is he just another fiction created in the mind of EJ Dalius and his criminal cronies to perpetuate their crimes?
Network Marketing is Illegal in China, AND very few people have any kind of access to the internet or even social media. So, just like the other Dalius and Marino lies (like Marketing Partners, PayCards here next week, and the Vegas Flop) so too, maybe, this Wanbo Xu could be a lie as well.
There would be literally millions of Wanbo Xu’s in China, a name as common as John Smith or Paul Brown in western countries. So this would be almost impossible to check!
I know that Kevin Marino has been encouraging Saivian global leaders to lie about their ranks and the sizes of their teams for months now. EJ consistently claims there are over 50,000 affiliates worldwide now. Even Michael O’Brien (Dalius’ fool) openly lies about the size of his team, quoting fictitious numbers everywhere he goes.
In October Michael quoted he had over 27,000 in his downline, yet we have confirmed October Corp figures showing there were only 22,000 in the entire Saivian Worldwide affiliate network at that time.
In the UK, Canada and NZ there are several Leaders claiming to be high star ranks in order to attract more recruits, yet screenshots have been revealed showing their true team numbers are MUCH MUCH less.
What does that mean? If EJ Dalius is getting desperate enough, if his empire is crumbling, this announcement could be just a further extension of his criminal’s fraud, another one of EJ Dalius’ promotional fictions and lies to attract new foolish people into his web of deceit.
Who is this Wanbo Xu’s sponsor? Where does he reside? What is his ID number? HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY SEEN HIM? Does he even exist?
Global affiliates are out there promoting his Presidential ascension as though they know it is real. But the way they are advertising looks a lot like Chinese whispers to me. No photos, no images of this guy anywhere.
Has EJ ever been seen with him? Did anyone meet him at Vegas last month? I can see no evidence on the internet at all or on facebook of this guy and his recruiting tsunami other than the Chinese Whispers other people are copying and sharing about his new rank. The guy is a complete ghost!
If he is real, good luck to him. Just like in the movie “SimONE” we can see how easy it would be to invent this guy and make him appear real out there in Cyberland.
But regardless of whether he exists or not, the entity “Wanbo Xu” is now a documented criminal in his country for promoting an illegal business. And in my opinion is knowingly perpetrating the single largest international fraud EVER released on the world, stealing billions of dollars from international affiliates that can least afford it!
Discovering the truth about this Chinese leader would be interesting and I hope the Chinese Government puts both EJ and his pet Chinese partner-in-Crime into some filthy rat riddled Chinese prison for their crimes, and send the bill for the bullets to their wives.
Can this scam get anymore blatant?
With this so called UPGRADE, they have 60 day breathing space before people start wondering where there money is.
I simply cannot believe how many people are falling for this.
They may as well be offering beans to plant like those seen in jack and the beanstalk and some day hope to climb up to a magic castle and climb back down with all the gold they can carry.
I so sorry but Xu Wanbo is yes a real persons. He is me and I work so very hard for this promotion in Saivian.
Saivian saves many Chinese family lives and it is helping my family also. Saivian just try to make a big difference in family lives and we are all getting pay now through global pay card which I can tell you about.
I have more than 21,000 member on my team and still growing. We also all get cash back paid to us. Thanks you very much. Sorry everyone is mad but Saivian has treat me very good. Love you all. Thanks you.
Yeah, sorry to break it to you but you’re not saving anyone by scamming them in a daily ROI Ponzi scheme.
what I love about this ‘business’ is that they are now claiming to be sponsored by HSBC and Apple.
Yes of course they are.
Hi, not sure if anyone can help with this, Saivian launched in the UK around 8 months ago.
We were told to order the global payment card for $45.00 so we could be paid as yet there is not one card been issued that I am aware of, keep being told next month, next month, the only way we can be paid is to redeem the codes and sell them.
Saivian have in fact not paid any real money (ie payments to cards or bank accounts ) to anyone involved in the UK.
We are now hearing rumors that the company is under investigation in the US by various government institutions can any one confirm this? I would appreciate your help and any details you may have.
If you are on Facebook, I suggest looking for Dave Bailey and Kelly Laughton, who have both given me a hard time over my negative comments about Saivian.
They have claimed all is fine and everyone is being paid in the UK.
Maybe they can shed light on the matter?
BTW I have removed both of them from my Facebook groups together with Shaz Anwar, Janine Chisnall, Ansa Samreen, Maria Daley, Michael Wilson and Pip Claire Earn – all for promoting Saivian.
I have a further list of twenty others too.
Thanks for the reply, I can assure you the only way ppl are being paid in the UK is through sales of redeemed codes and not direct from Saivian.
I am now seeing more codes for sale on face book which would indicate they are finding it harder to sell them.
At this point nobody is willing to be completely honest about it.
1) Because they are desperately trying to recruit new member to further their incomes in their ‘ewallets’ whilst dreaming about their new wealth eventually!
So they have to keep on saying they are being paid when I actually very strongly suspect they are just moving money around.
Nobody is willing to prove transactions from ewallet to their banks.
2) Saving face, not many will have the guts to admit they have not been paid and have been effectively willingly or unwillingly scamming people to join.
Nobody likes to admit they have been foolishly scammed.
So Saivian supporters I challenge you again, put your head above the parapet and prove your REAL CASH payments into your banks.
I am still waiting for proof from the Saivian bosses that the are selling the receipts to marketing companies.
It’s a ludicrous notion that a company will pay a further 25%, 30% or more to a company for information they already have through their own loyalty card schemes!
Sorry but that dog just doesn’t hunt!
Please can you give me the name of the Global Card provider.
Hi there, I hit add comment too soon.
If this company owes you money and you get no joy you can complain to trading standards.
The global card is crunch and the USA card is circa crunchaccount.com and mycircablack.com
I foolishly joined then on August 5th of this year. I paid my money every 28 days. November 8th I was supposed to get my first payment of $125.00. Didn’t happen.
I have email support they told me it was a glitch. I finally got so frustrated that I decided I was not going to pay another month that I would leave $250.00 on the table and walk away.
I cancelled my membership on 11/22 and then today on 12/1 noticed they charged my bank $130.00.
I filed with the ftc and the BBB. If anyone is starting a class action I want in.
I have made inquiries regarding the Global Payment Card and still no one seems to have received one, these have been on order for months, the probability is you will never receive one.
I would recommend to all who have paid for a card to ask there up line to arrange a refund and do not except even more excuses and delay tactics.
I have also looked in to some of the previous comments, one in particular regarding Laura A Harte who was in the UK early October promoting Saivian in various venues including London, at the same time back in the US on the 13th October the U.S. Bankruptcy Court Records for the Southern District of Indiana were applying for a notice of possible assets, this is the link open-public-records.com/court/indiana-15523551.htm
This I’am sure you would agree sets alarm bells ringing.
I have also been informed that HMRC are now conducting tax investigations into MLM companies (not just Saivian) this has apparently been triggered by posts on various social media sites containing claims of $5000 / $100000 per month incomes.
If you have not informed HMRC of your self employment you need to do so asap, for those of you who are on benefits you also need to contact the relevant benefits dept to disclose this income or risk losing benifits and risking court proceedings.
I strongly recommend if you feel you have also been taken for a ride by Saivian and unscrupulous upline leaders who are knowingly still selling codes to contact Trading Standards and Fair Trades.
The majority of people who get involved with these schemes are vulnerable and can ill afford the cost all based on false promises continually and consistently posted on social media sites.
If you are a member of a social media site and been adversely effected by Saivian post the details of this site on your page.
For all those who say negative things to Saivian.
You have the freedom of speech but I have also the freedom to say what I think about Saivian. Saivian like any new Business has to start somewhere at some point.
There might be reorganization , old founders/leaders quit and go, but thats their option if it meant for good and to Move on, let them go. Any company has to start somewhere at least.
Microsoft, Apple, Facebook or Google, did not start as a Millionaires or Billionaires right away.
There were challenges along the way Some started on the garage, some founders quit cause they did not believe about their visions and where they are going. They could have problems with Funds, Resources, Mindset and Fear that it will not be successful so some had to QUIT.
Those who endured and stayed where rewarded and became Billionaires. Look at them Now!!
WHY DONT YOU GIVE SAIVIAN A BREAK. LET SAIVIAN DO WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO TO BUILD ITS BUSINESS!! One year is not enough and who are you to JUDGE?
This company is trying to stand against the test of time, the challenges and the negativities of the those core members and affiliates who wanted them to FAIL.
Yes, they may not be Perfect from the Start but they are trying to BUILD this Business like anyone else does.
For those who think they are Fortune Tellers about SAIVIAN’s Fate, Are you Praying to See Saivian Fail? What can you accomplish by having that Mindset? You will be rejoicing against someone’s demise? What a Shame!!
The way I read your Posts, looked like those who liked to post negative things about Saivian where former affiliates who were disgruntled and caught for doing something against Saivian’s Policies.
It could be anything from Cross-recruiting for their other Businesses or too much complaining about imperfections and impatient on the fix that they wanted to get implemented.
Saivian is Building the Plane while its Flying, what do you Expect? Tell me some Perfect Business from when they started without any hiccups?
Take note Saivian is only one year old and has some technology challenges. They are Perfecting this APP that has never been implemented out there. Why Hire ISBX , the high end company to Build this App if Saivian’s purpose is to cheat and scam people?
They are trying to revolutionize Cash back technology, Local Merchant Advertising/MAP and could be a combination of Yelp and Groupon rolled into one. Why not wait till we get this done before you complain.
When it comes to Digital Pass, is this New concept New to you? Of course membership needs to be paid at least… but Saivian started this Evolution of the Use of Digital epass and it is a break through and a Genius Idea ( no one had thought about this before).
If I have enough Money on my ewallet to pay for my membership renewals, it looks for it First and it pays for my membership as opposed to charging my Creditcard. If I don’t have enough Money, then next alternative is to charge my card. Isn’t that simple?
Of course I can always withdraw money from my ewallet to my Circa Card as long as I comply and send my W9 to them to meet with IRS Requirements.
Remember your cashback is not a taxable Income but your Residual Bonus is, that is why you will get a 1099 to add it to your Business Income. I look at the Benefits of having a Homebased Business does to me.
I am only 2 months and I sold digital passes to others who wants to sign up but do not have Credit Card or for some reason does not want to use their credit cards. Is this not a good way to Register and Become a member?
Call it Digital Electronic or epass but hey I made a lot of money in my 2 months of being a member after I sold those Digital passes. I’ve seen with my own eyes that Money from ewallet had been transferred to Circa card that they used to pay for anything like any Pre-paid Card out there and there is no question in my mind.
When it comes to Customer Service/Support. They partnered with Salesforce and expecting to be Live with Salesforce before the end of the year. That will be 24/7 High tech support for any questions and problems you encounter as a Saivian member.
For anyone who wants to do Business with less Investment, a total of 60-90 days wait time to get your $125 is no Biggie. In 60 Days you get a Digital Pass that you can use to renew Membership or sell as epass to others. In 90 days you can transfer your Money to Circa Card.
If you wanted to see Tangible Money Right away, invest in Retail or A store, but needs Tangible 6 figure capitalization and there’s no Guarantee of 300% Profit . You could end up with Inventories if you can’t sell them all. (Been there Done that myself).
For people with Business Mindset, they don’t mind investing in 125 for 3 months, what is $375 anyways if I can get up to $720 worth of cashback ( 240 x 3 months)and Business Opportunity.
Please don’t Judge Saivian!! Let Saivian Propel its Wings to SUCCESS and if you are Not Happy to See Saivian SOAR then it’s your problem.
If you have read these Posts from the Start and You think Saivian is not for you, then by all means Don’t Join Saivian. Business is like a Gamble but the Good thing is that you have choices, make decisions but these may come with Risks.
There are Pros and Cons in every decisions you make and it may Involve you to sacrifice the cost and benefits.
No one can be entirely sure what the future awaits. There’s always HOPE. If you are Positive, you are ready for any consequences but if you are Negative from the Start then you will Fail all Through out.
^^ What does any of that have to do with collecting a daily Ponzi ROI?
No matter how hard you hope, that’s never going to be a legitimate business model.
I would almost bet that that post was written by Ryan Evans, Laura Hart, or her husband…
He is their new operations person… Who also is texh savvy. He knows an awful lot about technology for that not to be him. This just keeps getting more Ludacris than the day before.
are we waiting for it to fail? Yes, if you had family members or loved ones who were scammed by it and lost a lot of money while others were raking it in because of misappropriated funds… I think you’d be a little upset to.
MLM CHANCES. It would appear you have missed the point, No one in the UK can transfer there earnings to there Circa Card because no one has one, over the last 5 months they have been on there way.
OK I agree new company = teething problems but it does take 5 months, at the event in Vagas we were actually told they had been shipped, and yet still no cards.
The monies paid for the card was paid to Saivian not the card provider, why no refund, why no communication regarding the cards or refunds.
This is a very basic and integral part of a business set up it’s how you pay your work force whether self employed or employed something which is essential from day one.
Regarding Tax, because in the UK the only way to get your cash back is to purchase a code from Saivian and then sell that code this is Taxable, you are receiving payment for an item / stock you have purchased and then received payment, this is classed as income and therefor taxable.
On the other hand if your cash back was paid on a card or transferred to your card at source then that card was used to purchase goods for your own use (although still a grey area) would be completely different as you have not had to sell anything to gain payment.
Please explain why someone who wishes to join your team can not do so through your web site and just simply pay directly to Saivian, in the UK this facility is not an option Why?
Please explain why for example a chain of shops who have a healthy mark up of 25% on there sales would then pay 20% of that to Saivian leaving them with a 5% profit on each receipt logged with Saivian.
Please tell me who Saivians Business Partners are, I have seen this asked many times but as yet never seen an answer perhaps you could shed some light.
This is not about poor mindset, disgruntled affiliate, negativity or someone who has contravened policy this is about someone who bought into an elaborate sales pitch and gladly made a conscious decision to join and was well aware of the risks as were the people I introduced, what I was not aware of was that Saivian itself and the people behind it were the risk.
Your point on being positive I am very positive, positive there is something very wrong here and until I get answers I will continue to ask the questions.
There is no business if you have to pay them money. It’s an unregistered INVESTMENT.
@ mlm chances
You have got to be joking!! You must be Ryan Evans aka EJ’s puppet on a string! Bro Everyone in the USA is GONE! ASSHOLE EJ shut everyone’s back office down including the master distributor
Kevin Marino oh yeah I almost forgot he FIRED EVERYONE on the corporate team because they wanted him to do the right thing, now EJ hires Ryan Evans a young punk who is clueless on how an mlm operates…
saivian is a PONZI SCHEME and that is an irrefutable fact!
Pretty soon EJ Dalius will be doing hard time with a hard guy in a Federal Pound me in the Ass Prison, along with anyone else who wishes to remain by his side! Good luck let us know how it all works out for you.
Well said Jimmy…thanks for the laugh!
I felt it was Ryan Evans writing that the whole time. He literally picked up his entire family and moved to California for this scheme.
He has a lot invested to make sure this company works. Lol. His whole livelihood is rising on it. EJ knows that.
His sister, master of fakeness, has an ability to tell people whatever they want to hear- and they believe it.
Trust me, from what I hear she gets what she wants one way or another (even if she destroys families along the way). She does whatever she can to get whatever she wants. They all do- this is all a joke!
She continues to have meetings everywhere recruiting more people- wish we could warn them all.
EJ lives in the same development in Reading, PA as I do and his house seems like no one has been there in quite awhile. Has he left the country?
Savian international has now recruited a couple from the UK that runs a charity called The Poppy-Mai foundation.
They have a groupe on facebook called the journal of poppy mai which is followed by over 40 thousand people. Taking advantage of vunerable people now savian?
I wrote this on another site, but it might be useful here
Here are the numbers, you guys can decide for yourself if this is legit or not.
I will make this as simple as possible (3 levels), but hope you guys get the idea
You pay $125/month into the company and can collect maximum $275/month ($250 from purchases + $5/day for your 3 referrals less your monthly membership $125 = $275/month)
Your 3 referrals (level 2) pays $125/month, which equals to $375 (which covers your maximal payout of $275 and Saivian keeps the extra $100)
Those 3 referrals gets another 3 members, so now there’s a total of 9 members on the 3rd level. Their membership fees basically covers everyone’s potential max payout and Saivian keeps $300 from level 2.
It will look something like this:
/ | \
/ | \
$125 $125 $125
/|\ /|\ /|\
$125 $125 $125 $125 $125 $125 $125 $125 $125
IF referrals STOPPED at level 3 and each of the 9 members on level 3 collected the maximum ($250 grocery rebate less the monthly $125 “membership” fee = $125 “cashback”.
The company has to pay back:
Level 1: 1 x $275
Level 2: 3 x $275
Level3: 9 x $125 = $1,125
Total payout to these 13 members are $2,250.00
Here is the question you should ask yourself before you join:
1) If the referrals stopped coming in (in my example it’s level 3) Which company is willing to pay $2,250 for “marketing data” on just these 13 members? Is your data really that valuable that they can continuously pay the 13 members $2,250 every month?
2) From Saivian’s website “Redemptions are verified 30 days after receipt of submission and paid 30 days after verification. ” This is a 60 day window.
Are they really verifying what you are purchasing (as far as I know, they can’t verify anything because of confidentially issues between customs/merchants/credit cards) or is it an “exit” window for the company to decide to really exit?
They ask for $125 for each donation surprisingly the same figure they charge for membership and passes.
And claim to have raised $100,000 raised for 5 global charities in 4 weeks.
Active in over 220 countries worldwide. Full global payment platform so you can withdraw your income in over 40 currencies anywhere you are in the world.
Everybody is claiming they are being paid, whilst some some say they cannot wait to have a huge sum of money after Christmas.
Now it looks like. Laura Harte and Kevin are now teaming up on a new things…. of course they are. Hhahahhhahhaha
This Is bogus….
What now? How do people not see through her and him? She has had everything given to her. Don’t Let her fool anyone.
OK ok. I just wanted Laura’s video for the night. Hahahha!
Was she basically saying yes – it’s all falling apart. I’m going to create a new scam. Lol. Anyone who takes any life advice from her needs to dig a little bit there’s some very very interesting stories there.
Omg Did I just hear Eric J Dalius aka the Devil just threaten the entire field? Wtf so basically if you so much as sneeze you will be thrown out of the company!
On another note it now appears that 99.999% of the United States leaders are now gone from the scam I mean saivian I mean SCAM… ponzi scheme and a BLATANT PONZI SCHEME at that! Saivian needs to go!
Corporate operations director Ryan Evans.
Straight from the horses mouth:
“Our data isn’t that marketable!” I wonder if EJ is happy with that statement?
So people uploading your receipts is for nothing, you’ve been lied too. So many interesting admissions in the video.
I have noticed a huge shift in members behaviour, they are promoting far less. Just maybe they are waking up now.
Hahahaha I like it I love it I want more of it!
If you want my opinion the Big slip up here is the fact that hundreds if not Thousands of saivian affiliates are leaving and getting involved with an even Bigger Scam/ponzi with former Saivian Master Distributor Kevin Marino the new company is called “Asirvia”.
What cracks me up is there is so much cross recruiting going on and downlines becoming uplines etc etc….
When are people going to wake up? If you got burnt by saivian and believed all of Kevin Marino’s lies then what makes you think this new company/joke is going to be any different!?!?
@Jimmy You know Kevin, ALL the former corporate level guys and the mastermind group ALL tried to get the owner and ultimate decision maker to do things the right way but the man just saw dollar signs with his “pass economy” BS.
Did it ever occur to you that Kevin and the rest were being lied to by EJ (don’t shoot the messengers)?
FOLLOW THE MONEY
With the corporate staff being fired/resigning and their contracts no longer being paid that reduced EJ’s expenses by about $15/new member, now there’s what 1,800- 2,500 new enrollments coming in a day?
That’s somewhere between $21,600 and $37,500 a day…not to mention all of the different leaders whose websites he’s shut off which eliminated a whole bunch of daily commissions.
Where do you think the money has been coming from for the private jet and extremely lavish lifestyle?
Oh…it’s coming from China you say??? Is Network Marketing even legal there?
Why is it the longer Saivian is in a market the worse that market is doing?
What happened with the distributor base in the US?
Wasn’t Saivian growing like crazy in Korea?
How much cashback has actually been paid out?
How many people have recieved more cashback than they paid in membership fees considering how long someone has to be involved to get back their first $125, how many hoops must be jumped through to get it?
Who has been verifying the data from the receipts? Brad Dalius? Mike Kim? Ryan Evans?
Hint: None of them can read Chinese (Mike is Korean).
OPEN YOUR EYES AND GET YOUR MONEY OUT BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT/GOVERNMENTS SHUT THE WHOLE THING DOWN.
@ Jim Bob Did it ever occur to you that Kevin and the rest were being lied to by EJ (don’t shoot the messengers)?
FOLLOW THE MONEY
Hahaha I love the fact that you said it yourself!
“FOLLOW THE MONEY” The fact is Kevin Marino knew Damn well exactly who he was getting himself involved with he was also fully aware of EJ’S past history!
He knew there was NO Marketing partners he knew that the international team would NEVER get paid. He followed the Money in the tune of over $100k per month knowing Damn well he was in the thick of one of the biggest ponzi schemes in recent network marketing history “HE KNEW” and that’s facts! Don’t kill the messenger!
Now the man’s reputation is like Toxic Waste! So what now all the sudden his new deal is gonna be full of integrity and follow all the rules of the industry and dsa code of ethics etc.etc. gimme a flipping break!
Get a clue get a grip and pay very close attention to who you chose to work with in 2017! Fyi there’s a very good possibility that Kevin Marino will do some jail time right along side dalius! How’s that gonna look for integrity and ethics with his new company!? Just sayin…
I find it interesting they are jumping from one failed scam into another? Do people clearly not see the connection here?
I hope they all do jail time- Kevin, Eric, Ryan laura. All of them.
I also find it interesting Ryan still works for the scam Laura is now gently telling people to not take being lied, and junk.
I’m so glad I was able to see through her and not sign up under her. Unreal.
So is the company gonna work, or is it going downside?
i Just got asked to join a while ago by a man named manny deol I met him on Facebook.
does anyone have any details about new company?
What new company would that be?
Asirvia. Kevin Marino is one of the founders
Leave it with me, I’ll add it to the review list.
In Aug, after being served by the SEC, the Corp team was assembled in Los Angeles at the JW Marriott.
A full plan was laid out to fully comply with US law, knowing that an SEC fine would surely be levied.
Saivian/EJ was told to get it fixed by end of September and STAY OUT OF CHINA. Why China? Because there was no product available in China and the system turned foreign characters to “?????” so it’s not possible to enter store info or the like. Therefore it’s purely a money game.
Well EJ, in an apparent greedy move, never implemented the plan in the USA because he started getting hundreds of thousands of dollars via Bitcoin from China and didn’t want to give that up.
As the end of September came around and the legal plan was ignored, the contacted consultants, Marino, Gewecke, Heilman and Peppelman all raised holy hell which resulted in their contracts being cancelled.
EJ kept promising the fixes and that once it was compete he would offer new contracts to all of them but that was compete bullshit and said (in hindsight) to stop them from fully outing him in Oct.
Saivian’s counsel who helped put the plan together also fired EJ as a client during this time, not wanting to be associated with him any longer.
Seasoned consultants who wanted legality were replaced by young and FAR LESS EXPERIENCED consultants who simply agree with everything he says even though they are completely aware it’s now completely illegal and the SEC investigation has even reached into Bitcoin and Coinbase now.
But the naive and inexperienced consultants are easily bought by shiny objects, fast cars and trips on private jets … While the average customer is completely screwed over for any reason that Saivian/EJ can implement to NOT pay them their cashback!
While doing videos from private jets! Wonder where all those rejected refunds are going? Hmmmm!
From what I’ve seen and viewed it appears that the entire crew from consultants to USA leaders to some international leaders have all gotten together to construct a LEGAL option that has nothing to do with cashback. It’s a straight up service based company with zero sign-up cost and where buying a product/service isn’t even mandated.
I think we can see the true colors of the people involved on BOTH sides of this!
EJ, young yes men and SEC.
The rest who wanted a LEGAL choice for people!
I signed up just under a year ago, but my instincts told me to get the hell out after a months time.In fact, the review here is what gave me initial cause for concern.
I bit the bullet on the initial $125.00 and never looked back.
The initial marketing data idea sounded pretty convincing, given the Facebook comparison. But the red flags around Dalius and the shadiness of the industry put a knot in my stomach that didn’t go away.
If there’s no physical product being sold,it’s usually a bad sign.
INSIDER! I assume you are speaking about the following international marketing professionals…
* EJ Dalius
* Laura Hart
* Kevin Marino
* Steve Gwecke
* Zach Heillman
* Susan Peppleman
* Don Smith
* Cory Chadwick
* Michael O’Brien
* Bill Toth
* Bob Doran
* John Sheehan
The Saivian corporate “hierarchy” and “board” all knew exactly what EJ Dalius was about, and exactly how illegal his company Saivian is, long before the SEC got involved.
ALL OF THEM had the opportunity, numerous opportunities, to let the affiliates of the world know what they knew was going on, and to stop the spread of this disgusting MLM plague, called Saivian, in its tracks.
Being quiet and not telling the truth to the people they were actively recruiting into this SCAM COMPANY right up to Christmas 2016, who were trusting THEIR ADVICE AND INTEGRITY is almost as big a crime as the criminal who created this illegal scam in the first place, EJ Dalius.
The fact that several of them continued to collect huge $$ from Saivian while they setup another opportunity, even their own MLM company (Asirvia) turns my stomach.
For 12 months, they sat in their ivory, gold and diamond towers, collecting up to $140,000 per month, with full knowledge of the crimes that EJ Dalius is blatantly committing every day, in full knowledge that THERE IS NO CASHBACK, in full knowledge that there WAS NEVER AND STILL IS NO PAYCARD FOR INTERNATIONAL AFFILIATES, in full knowledge that
Saivian has been UNDER INVESTIGATION BY FEDERAL AND STATE AGENCIES FOR THE PAST 8 MTHS.
I am sorry INSIDER, but NOTHING excuses the fact that they had the priviledge of inside knowledge, yet still continued to promote Saivian to the worldwide audience for their own financial gain through…
* International Bridge Calls
* International Social Media
* Numerous events and fake promotions
* Endless video meetings through Zoom and Facebook
* Daily structured promotional and training webinar schedules
* Daily promotion and bulk sales of illegal passcodes (sometimes 100s/day)
* and ongoing sale and instruction in the illegal passcode economy that EJ Dalius designed to steal money from over 200,000 Saivian affiliates worldwide.
For 12 months, they were in full knowledge…
* That there were not any, and never would be, Pay Cards for international affiliates
* That there were no marketing partners to pay for or use the cashback data, the “busy work” that affiliates still blindly do to justify their membership
* That affiliates outside the US would struggle to get their Cashback (even after waiting up to 120 days for processing) if ever.
* That international affiliates would never receive a single dime directly from the company to their bank accounts in residual income.
There is nothing you have said here that removes their culpability and responsibility for promoting this scam company worldwide, while in full knowledge that they have jumped in bed WITH THE DEVIL, and all the time hoping and praying that this EJ DALIUS, A CONVICTED CRIMINAL, guilty of perpetrating TWO PREVIOUS US SCAM BUSINESSES within the past 15 years, would not turn Saivian into the single largest international scam ever perpetrated.
THEY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING ON! YET CONTINUED TO PROMOTE THIS SCAM COMPANY TO INNOCENTS AROUND THE WORLD TO MAKE THEMSELVES RICH!
As an insider, you need to stop lying to yourself. See the damage you have done, and take responsibility for the evil you have done.
PS. Interesting that the SEC served the entire corporate team in August.
Isn’t that the month that John Sheehan, Saivian President in name only and EJ Dalius puppet, and Bob Doram vanished from the Saivian Scam, I mean scene, I mean SCAM!!!
Don’t forget them, and the lies they told.
Interesting how September was when EJ Dalius stepped out of the shadows, and October was when the leadership started resigning.
Now the leadership don’t have to even bother with resigning. Blink twice and EJ throws you out of the company.
Hmmmm. Sounds kinda like some kind of new Nazi business management school.
SEC conflict followed by mass resignations. Do the math!
Can someone start the blog on the new company asirvia.
I am interested to know how Laura Hart is traveling to Paris and Scotland… She is currently in bankruptcy… And her husband just had heart surgery… Where are her priorities? Wow
I wonder how she has justified leaving the Saivian company that she so heavily promoted, the company that would make everybody that joined thousands of dollars.
I notice a few of the Saivian members have joined her in her latest scam, whoops, I mean opportunity.
Auto correct is so bad! 😀
Saivian members have started to lie, the so called Saivian debit card for their ‘cash back’ ya know the one that makes them affiliates with MasterCard!!
For the last year, six months, they have repeatedly said, “The card will be coming in the couple of weeks or days!”
But people are still joining them, I sincerely hope they are not lying about being paid their cashback.
Wonder how Family relations are… Since her brother is still one of the lead guys in Saivian?
Everyone on this site has been bashing this company for 15 month. Saying it won’t last 3 months…. yet it still here and getting better and better everyday.
Now you all are picking on a person that doesn’t even have a position in saivian (Laura). Go to her new biz to bash her, not saivian.
With that said, Iv been in saivian for 11 months. Have had no issue getting cash back or commissions on any of the pay platforms.
They ran into issues with supplying customers in different countries. It happens so what… the ones that know this is a great company will out last these hurdles.
Now let’s see what the next 15 months holds… I know I know. You guys will continue to bash it and all the bs you guys do… but when it makes it we will be the ones laughing at you. Cheers
The same as the last 15 months? Getting paid a Ponzi ROI for engaging in pyramid recruitment.
Pointing out financial fraud != bashing. Grow up.
Over the next 15 months the SEC will wrap up their investigation Arrest Eric J Dalius, Kim Dalius, Brad Dalius, Ryan Evans, Mike kim, Kevin Marino, Michael O’Brien, Bill Toth and whoever else sold over $10k in passes, and Haul them all off to a Federal Pound me in the Ass Prison!
BASHING YOU SAY? It is an Irrefutable fact that saivian is a Blatant Ponzi Scheme! Until the day you prove me otherwise…
Now go back and crawl back to the rock you live under!
The SEC don’t arrest people.
Oh don’t worry OZ,
Arrests WILL be made!! I am sure the SEC will turn it over to the FBI or whatever police or federal agency to hand down the warrants Indictments and whatever else needs to be done to bring these scum of the Earth to Justice!
Hmmmmm???? Well, all i can say is who ever tries it realistically wont loose out on any money.
You pay 125 membership and collect 20 percent back on purchases up to 300 per week, which totals to 60 per week cash back.
In two weeks you have the membership paid and an extra 60 in your pocket. sign up 3 and you pocket 150 per month as well.
Seriously what is the big deal??? If you don’t agree with the business then thats your opinion but i know quite a lot of families personally who have started in this company and they have benefited from just the savings of their weekly expenses. They are happy and loving it.
If the company fails then it fails, the consumers make their 125 back in two weeks anyway so no money out of their pocket.
You can cancel your membership with in 2 days if your not satisfied. But why would you want to save money on weekly expenses?? Doesn’t sound so bad to me.
Where do you think the daily ROI comes from?
At any given time the biggest affiliate group in Saivian are those paying $125 and not making it back. They’re the ones who will lose money when it collapses.
Opinion has nothing to do with the fact that Saivian is an unsustainable Ponzi scheme. All those people in China signing up aren’t consuming or saving money on anything, they’re investing in financial fraud.
I live in Reading, PA and followed EJ’s past venture and it ended in alot of lawsuits and not only people losing money but also the bank he was using at the time-over $900,000.
This is a Ponzi scheme and will end badly. Those who got their money back are probably happy, but those that will invest right before it crashes and burns are the ones who will suffer.
I’m actually shocked that he’s trying something like this again! He lives in my development and no one has been in their house for months-must be in hiding.
@ Panda, it is very clear that you have been Drinking the saivian Kool-Aid…
Hmmmmmmmm????? It is an Irrefutable fact that saivian is a Blatant Ponzi Scheme!!! End of Discussion!
Eric J Dalius Kim Dalius and their Spawn of Evil Brad Dalius now reside in Los Angeles California.
Eric and family split Pennsylvania because he has a court order handed down by the Pennsylvania State Attorney General’s office forbidding him from owning or operating an MLM company. So yes in so many words he is hiding out.
I just checked his Facebook page and he is now Flaunting the $400k Lamborghini he just purchased using Illegal money from the saivian ponzi. I bet the SEC loves that.
Ej is hiding?? He’s in the corporate headquarters in LA. The US bank building.
He’s open book on Facebook. Ha!! Hiding… y’all crack me up
I only have one word to describe Saivian and it is AWESOME, what a fun, easy and simple company to work in, started 2 month ago already got my investment back 4 times.
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this company is really really bad, they take your money the second you give them your info, they will double charge you if they can, and refund you a smaller amount than what they charged. And it is really complicated to get your cashback, they ask everything to be done in a specific manner otherwise you are simply not paid.
I have contact several time the customer support and they don’t care about what you ask, they simply don’t care about the people.
600,000 members and growing every 7 seconds. Yea they suck…. lol.
Alexa ranking flatlined at 40,000 since early January. 39% visitors from China.
Lot’s of cashback customers in China I’m sure, lolscam.
Saivian hold a meeting in Macau China during March 11-12, and more than 5000 people attended, most of them come from China.
People who come from China payed $125 monthly for more than 4 months still can’t get back their redemption money and bonus back cuz people in China can not apply MasterCard before. In Macau saivian give the MasterCard to their 5 star affiliates include who come from China but that’s just give the money from new investors to old investors.
The new investors in China even don’t know how to apply MasterCard and how to redeem 20% cash back and the company also deliberately delay it.
I think due to so many Chinese join into the game, give the saivian opportunity to survive longer.
I will translate these informations to Chinese languages, let more people in China know these informations before they make decision. Thanks OZ to talk this topic here!
It will. Trouble is they’ve all been pitched on the $3000 daily ROI.
When recruitment slows down and there’s nobody to pay the new recruits, what happens then?
The cashback is obviously irrelevant in China, so it’s pretty much just the ROI they’re signing up for.
One thing I’ve observed is that if an MLM company is active in China and chooses Hong Kong or Macau to host an event, instead of the mainland, they’re usually up to no good.
They have hosted events in America…. Now their next big one will be in Canada.
Saivian Looks strong to me and many people. They just hit the $1 billion mark… so for the ones saying they can’t afford the 20% y’all are crazy.
As I mentioned before, the only thing keeping Saivian afloat is Chinese recruitment. Once that dies out, kaboom.
They can host events on the moon for all it matters.
Ok. And… this is the same thread that said it wouldn’t last 3 months…. smh
Who knew scamming the Chinese was going take off…
Which comment was that?
Find it interesting that this thread started in 2015 and since then this company was going to go “kaboom”. They still around somehow. Interested to see what the next year holds for the company AND this thread lol!
It has been an interesting and sometimes laughable read.
Out of curiosity I signed up…will give an update on my cash back only experience as that’s the only side of this that I’ll be testing. If I’m able to accumulate $250 worth of cash back and by some miracle manage to actually GET the $250 it would be good enough for me.
The question is though, will I be able to pull out the $250 as actual money. Only time will tell 🙂
In the very first comment. 😉
Naturally, that prediction wasn’t made by any of us who know scams last as long as they last.
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^^ This isn’t the place for marketing spam. Leave that crap on Facebook kthx.
@Mentions, self executed research, what a novel idea.
@Hank, well, thing is that with everything in life there will ALWAYS be negatives. It really is up to you to decide if something is not negative or not.
So hell, if I need to spend £98 to see for myself if this is working for me then I’ll do it. Since my first mention of my research on April 1st I now have £110+ in my cash back total. No additional shopping, just normal shopping.
Suppose the question will be whether or not I’ll actually be getting that money out 😛
Will update when next month … they are at the moment updating their systems with a new Savi card so that you can take your money out that way. Should go live tomorrow.
Saivian works. They are in compliance and follow the regulations.
I hoped this helps for the people who are thinking about joining.
That’s why they’re registered with the SEC huh?
There’s nothing compliant about Ponzi schemes…
As promised, an update on my progress and if I actually got money in my hands from Saivian.
If you are thinking of doing Saivian just for cash back and not refer 3 people (or more) into the business you need to be aware that you will only break even in your 5th month into the Cash back system.
If like me, you refer 3 people into the business in month 2 you will break even in month 4. If you refer your first 3 in your first month you will break even in month 3. I’m sure you can see the math here.
This is why they call it “3 is better than Free” Refer 3, get paid $5 a day – over 28 day period you will have $140 in your ewallet and can use this towards your membership and still have $15 spare.
I joined up was 29 March. On 18 April I started getting my $5 a day. On 20 May I got my first $125 in my hands, on 24 May I got the second $125 in my hands and tomorrow I’ll get another $125 in my hands. This however is because I referred 3 people and it grew to 12 people below me. I’m currently getting $20 a day paid into my ewallet.
There is 3 ways for you to get this virtual money out of your ewallet and into your hands:
1. Everyone who joins the business or has to renew needs to buy a GSP (Global Shopping Pass)If you have $125 in your ewallet you can convert this into a pass and sell it to someone. My sponsor helps us to sell passes as she needs them on a daily basis. This is how I got money in my hands for all 3 the $125 withdrawals mentioned above.
2. Saivian now has a MasterCard option. You basically get a banking account through the company. Saivian’s is through Barclays and with MasterCard. You can then transfer the money from your ewallet to your Saivian bank account and if you wish to you can transfer it to your normal bank account OR…
3. You get a Savilux bank card. As above you transfer the money into this account and you can use the Savilux card at an ATM it swipe it in store.
I’m with Younique and their commission works the same as this. My commission is paid into a PayQuicker account which Younique has set up for you and you can transfer to your bank account or use your Younique Bank card.
Personally I am seeing the money come out into my hands which has come quite in handy at the moment.
Things you need to know before joining:
1. Depending on who you “join” you might get help to build your downline or not. I’m fortunate to have someone as my upline who helped me get to my first 3. I have returned the favour by doing this for everyone who decided to follow me on this. I think it’s only fair to pay it forward?!
2. If you are going to do this purely for cash back you will see your first cash back 60 days after your joining date. Your max cash back on your first month is $125 and for every month after that your max is $250 – this is why you will only break even in month 5 and you will really only get $125 every month back as the other $125 you will need to use towards your renewal.
3. There is a min and a max on your receipt amount, your min receipt that you can load is for $5 and the max $300.
4. You can choose 10 retailers each 30 days – swop and change them where needed. These include fuel which is why this works really well for my family back in South Africa where fuel is just at a ridiculous cost.
5. You can claim flights and hotels – this however needs to be one of your 10 selected shops.
6. Online purchase receipts does count as long as the website has a brick and mortar store you can walk into to buy the same product.
7. Choose your card carefully that you want to use to verify your receipts. I’ve done it with my debit card the first month and wished that I used my credit card instead.
8. Saivian never asks you for any of your personal banking details in your back office or when you sign up. UNLESS you go for the auto renewal which I don’t do.
9. You can cancel at any point in time – no questions asked, as long as it is 2 days prior to your renewal date. Any money left in your ewallet will be forfeited – hence why I take mine out as and when I hit $125 in my ewallet. As soon as I have my Savilux card I’ll be transferring funds to my card instead.
10. I’ve read an article on SkintDad.com re the tax: On the cash back the government isn’t too worried as they don’t see this as an income. But on the “referral commission” you’ll have to pay tax as that is classed as an actual income.
So that is all I have and I hope it answers some questions.
There are positives and negatives, as there are with just about anything in life!
I took the bold move and tried something different to see if money is just stolen from me as claimed by so many. As I received my money back and now earning a small (much needed) amount out of this I would probably not stop just yet.
You’re stealing money from your downline each month. That’s how a Ponzi scheme works.
I wonder why the majority of the initial folk have left and are now dabbling in other companies.
There were a couple of members who boasted about being millionaires with saivian within two years and in the meantime, their first brand new car and luxury holiday was on the horizon.
But instead they have had to secure jobs in the real world to support saivians top line who are the ones earning the big bucks.
I’ve watched this play out for over a year and members are not living the high life they’d been promised.
I didn’t expect anything less than a negative remark which is fine. We are all allowed to have our own opinions and I didn’t do this to pick a fight with you either.
As I said on my very first message, I’ll give it a test and I will give feedback on what I have experienced.
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indeed, you lived up to your owe expectation. meanwhile, the warnings against your ponzi are quite a positive thing saving people from throwing away their hard earned money.
Savian’s business model makes it a Ponzi scheme. Facts != opinion.
Mentions (why not use your real name?)
I called Saivian a scam within weeks of launching.
Two very good reasons stood out:
CashBack being capped
Limited to ten businesses at any one time.
Genuine CashBack schemes have no cap, since the CashBack is genuine.
BTW I work with a UK company that offers CashBack.
Over 50 shops on the high street deliver this as our business partners and 2,000 more online.
We have no caps.
I was just wondering why it sais there are no products to be bought just the membership, but the membership is to use the app for the cashback.
and the cashback works i do have a lot of friends on facebook using it, i meen alot of them are in for affiliate program but they are getting there cashback.
Because “cashback” isn’t a product you can purchase.
I have been approached just yesterday to sign membership which I hesitate to thought sounded too good to be true. Thank God I googled and found your site which provide so much insight info Saivian.
I would appreciate if you can also provide information on the charges against Ej Daluis as I would like to share with those who are in it before it is too late. Is EJ Dalius an American?
I believe so, beyond that I’m not familiar with him.
Oz where is the link to your latest saivian review ?
Latest review? Why, has Saivian dropped the ROI model?
All the fancy-pants postings with fabulous planes and cars and travels have suddenly stopped from all involved. Guess that knock on the door finally came.
All bleeding eventually stops . . . One way or another.
I am sick to my stomach.. I believed in this crap. Promoted for a year. I drank the coolaid. Damn I hurt a lot of people.
You want to know the last straw? My mother calls me up. Baby, I can’t do a redemption… it says I need to get the card. But when I try there is no link and now I can’t buy a pass.. it wants me to renew with my credit card…
My mom has been a customer over a year supporting me. This company is a complete waste of time and yes a pump and dump.
Trust me. Iv been in it since the 2nd month of existence. I am truly sorry for all the people Iv hurt.
If your in this, get out!! If your looking to get in don’t!!!
I was a 5 star in this company. It’s all a pack of lies and they keep up the crap by saying stay tuned. It’s coming. 2.0. Saivilux going to change the world.
Screw that!!! It’s bull shit.
You can do redemption without getting a card.
Soooo.. my upline tells me that saivian is pulling out of the states…. Because of taxes….. Dam you know it’s bad when they are running from the USA.
Looks like they’re trying to relaunch as Saivi World.
Saivian’s top source of revenue has always been Asia. Without China the Ponzi would have collapsed months ago.
Guess they’ve figured no point taking risks with US regulators, better to run offshore to keep the scam alive for as long as possible.
Ya and the top leaders in the USA are buying off shore houses LMAO.
The amount of support this scam still has.
People are still paying over their hard earned cash based on empty promises.
The top have had an excellent run in scamming innocent people.
if this is not a scam then please explain why people in the u.s. can’t access their account?
Well Im pleased to be out, I was removed for stacking, like how do you stack 4 personals? then I was told I signed up DEAD people, okay how can dead people build a business?
I believed wholeheartedly in Saivian, I thought it was a great thing, EJ killed the company off, broke many friendships and families up from their continuous buildups. Australia and New Zealand steer clear.
I left in January and just did the cashback side and refused to recruit, I did return in June 2017 as I thought maybe they are getting their shit together lol.
I was released by them when their back office went down for the new launch 2.0 platform. What a god send, being a part of that company was like being in jail, you couldn’t speak out and you were shut down and blocked.
Karma is a biarch, they turned their back on the very citizens that started them off, USA.
They are risky as ever, Ryan is now heading the new ‘SaviWorld’ platform, his name is on the shitlist too so I can’t see them going far, their kingdom is about to fall.
It sounds like you still do – somewhat.
They didn’t turn their back on anyone as this was born a scam. To the MLM founders, it wasn’t broken. The USA didn’t “start” anything other than help perpetuate a scam.
If you don’t realize this, you are ripe for the next one.
Now changed the name of SaiviWORLD, EJ retired, Ryan came to power.
In China, it is now all the stops to continue to continue to develop, even if there are members who can visit do not know what can be landing, what can not operate.
EJ refund team sent the past to answer any questions do not know.
Got my first approach about Ryan Evans and his new CashBack company.
Oh so good. Just in pre-launch. So no website yet.
Good grief. Why do they do it again and again. Suppose it is the money.
Old news, but Saivian got busted in China back in June 2017 in Chengdu. It’s known as 赛比安 in China.
Chinese news: NOLINK://m.ifeng.com/house/shareNews?fromType=vampire&aid=sub_33985077&channelId=
Ah, that probably explains the reboot then hey.
Oz, Update on my post from October 2017
This is the full team and Janine Ashington Operations Director has raised her head today in one of the groups I belong to
Looks just another Saivian to me.
BTW she was part of the business called SaiviWorld Limited, which had Eric Dalius as Director.
There is a proposal to strike.
Corey Chadwick is another scum bag scammer that’s been reaping the benefits of this criminal scheme. He’s a self proclaimed “crypto coach” and continues to swindle people’s money!
His Instagram handle is teamonepercent where he touts his stolen wealth. He needs to be called out in all his posts by everyone affected!
I encourage everyone here to go call this scumbag out! Again his ig handle is ”teamonepercent”.
Does anyone know where Michael O’Brien lives, or lived, and his full legal name?