Goodlife USA Review: Spend $918 a year to save on travel?
Goodlife USA operate in the travel MLM niche and are based out of Florida in the US.
Mark Seyforth and Edward Dovner are credited as founders of the company on the Goodlife USA website, serving as CEO and “Partner” respectively.
Mark Seyforth started off in MLM back in 1975 with ‘Seyforth Laboratories’ who marketed a diet shake.
In 1980 Seyforth (right) aligned with Herbalife. He designed their compensation plan and manufactured the company’s product line through ‘Seyforth Manufacturing’.
One24 was an autoship recruitment opportunity that experimented with a queue based system to sign up new affiliates through.
In 2013, with One24 still operating, Seyforth launched Day 1.
From our BehindMLM review of Day 1;
Typically in MLM we see compensation plans built around products. With Day 1, after analysing the company it very much feels as if they’ve created a compensation plan around whatever products they were able to cobble together.
Like One24, retail sales were an afterthought in Day 1. Instead the focus was on recruiting affiliates and getting paid when they purchased products.
Today neither One24 or Day 1 are in business.
Edward Dovner’s MLM history is less clear. According to Dovner’s Goodlife USA corporate bio he’s a “Founder, Inventor and CEO”.
Ed Dovner started cultivating his entrepreneurial spirit at the tender age of 21 when he became an acclaimed sales agent at Metropolitan Life Insurance Company.
He then successfully created a niche market company within gourmet coffee industry and sold his business for a substantial profit.
In 1993, Ed launched First Choice Armor & Equipment and grew the company to over $90 million in sales. Again Ed sold the company for a substantial profit in 2010.
To what extent any of that pertains to MLM is unclear.
Of note is Dovner and his company First Choice Armor & Equipment were sued by the Department of Justice in 2009.
The United States has filed a False Claims Act lawsuit against First Choice Armor & Equipment Inc. and its founder, Edward Dovner, for submitting false claims for bullet-proof vests purchased by the United States for federal, state, local and tribal law enforcement agencies.
First Choice, which manufactured and sold bullet-proof vests containing Zylon fiber from 2000- 2005, marketed its vests to law enforcement agencies as a thinner and more lightweight alternative to other bullet-proof vests.
The United States alleges that at the same time First Choice was selling its Zylon bullet-proof vests, the company and its founder knew of significant manufacturing and degradation problems in the Zylon fiber that rendered the material unsafe for ballistic use.
In fact, when the Justice Department’s National Institute of Justice tested eight of First Choice’s bullet-proof vests in 2005, all failed.
The United States has also sued Mr. Dovner and Karen Herman, Mr. Dovner’s wife and First Choice’s president, for a fraudulent conveyance – a transfer of property that is made to swindle, hinder or delay a creditor, or to put such property beyond his or her reach – in violation of the Federal Debt Collection Procedures Act.
The government alleges that after learning of the investigation into Zylon bullet-proof vests, Mr. Dovner and Ms. Herman removed more than $5 million from First Choice. Mr. Dovner then purchased a Ferrari, a Maserati and a private jet through various shell companies.
As per his Goodlife USA corporate bio, a year later Dovner sold First Choice for a “substantial profit”.
Read on for a full review of the Goodlife USA MLM opportunity.
The Goodlife USA Product Line
Goodlife USA claim to be a “wholesale discount club” and market travel memberships. The company claims these memberships enable members to ‘take advantage of extraordinary opportunities to save on travel, retail and more‘.
There are three tiers of Goodlife USA travel memberships as follows:
- Silver membership is $11.95 a month
- Gold membership is $99 and then $39.95 a month
- Platinum membership is $199 and then $59.95 a month
The Goodlife USA Compensation Plan
Goodlife USA affiliates earn commissions for selling Goodlife USA membership to retail customers. They are also paid when they recruit new Goodlife USA affiliates.
Recruitment Commissions
Goodlife USA affiliates are paid to recruit new affiliates through three levels of recruitment (unilevel).
How many levels and how much of a commission is paid out is determined by how much they spend a month on their own travel membership, or the amount of travel memberships they’ve personally sold:
- Silver membership affiliates earn on one level of recruitment
- Gold membership affiliates earn on two levels of recruitment
- Platinum membership affiliates earn on three levels of recruitment
- Silver and Gold membership affiliates can qualify for three levels of recruitment by selling and maintaining at least twenty active travel memberships
How much of a recruitment commission is paid out over these tiers is determined by how much a newly recruited affiliate spends on their membership.
Silver membership affiliates
- earn $25 for recruiting another Silver affiliate
- earn $75 for recruiting a Gold or Platinum affiliate
Gold membership affiliates
- earn $25 on levels 1 and 2 if a Silver affiliate is recruited
- earn $75 on level 1 if a Gold affiliate is recruited and $25 on level 2
- earn $75 on level 1 if a Platinum affiliate is recruited and $50 on level 2
Platinum membership affiliates (or an affiliate who has sold and maintained at least 20 active travel memberships)
- earn $25 on levels 1 and 2 if a Silver affiliate is recruited
- earn $75 on level 1 if a Gold affiliate is recruited and $25 on level 2
- earn $75 on level 1 if a Platinum affiliate is recruited, $50 on level 2 and $25 on level 3
Goodlife USA also receive “Dream Dollars” when they and their downlines recruit new affiliates, which can be put towards purchasing travel services.
Travel Membership Commissions
Retail and affiliate travel membership commissions in Goodlife USA are paid out both directly and residually via a 2×20 matrix compensation structure.
A 2×20 matrix places an affiliate at the top of a matrix, with two positions directly under them:
These initial two positions form the first level of the matrix, with the second level of the matrix generated by splitting each of the two positions into another two positions each.
A 2×20 matrix can have up to twenty levels, with subsequent levels of the matrix generated as required.
A complete 2×20 matrix houses 2,097,150 positions, with positions filled via affiliate recruitment.
In addition to being paid on CV generated by an affiliate’s own sale of travel memberships, they also receive 5% of the CV generated by recruited affiliates in their matrix.
Commissions on travel memberships are paid monthly at a rate of 5% of CV generated on the first 15 levels of the matrix (including an affiliate’s own membership sales to retail customers), and 2% paid on levels 16 to 20.
- Silver memberships generate 4 CV a month (5% = 20 cents per retail customer, 2% = 8 cents)
- Gold memberships generate 20 CV a month (5% = $1 per retail customer, 2% = 40 cents)
- Platinum memberships generate 30 CV a month (5% = $1.50 per retail customer, 2% = 60 cents)
Commission sharing
During their first month, newly recruited Goodlife USA affiliates share commissions earned with the affiliate who recruited them.
- the recruiting affiliate gets the first $60 a newly recruited affiliate generates in commissions
- after $60 they earn 50% of the next $500 earned
- after $560, commissions are split pro rata based on downline CV generation
Joining Goodlife USA
Basic affiliate membership with Goodlife USA is $79.
Full participation in the Goodlife MLM opportunity however also requires the purchase of a travel membership:
- Silver affiliate membership = $129 and then $9 a month
- Gold affiliate membership = $179 and then $39.95 a month
- Platinum affiliate membership = $279 and then $59.95 a month
The primary difference between these memberships is income potential through the Goodlife USA compensation plan.
Conclusion
If you’re trying to save money, shelling out $143 to $918 a year sounds counter-productive. Leave alone the fact that all you’re really getting is access to third-party discounts.
Sure, someone who spends thousands upon thousands of dollars on services Goodlife USA provide access to discounts might make back their money, but for the average consumer I think it’s otherwise going to be a net loss.
Enter the Goodlife USA compensation plan, which permits a member to make back their money via affiliate recruitment.
Chain recruitment is entirely possible within Goodlife USA, with there being no qualifiers to ensure affiliates focus on retail membership sales.
The whole commission sharing component of the compensation plan meanwhile seems a bit misplaced, effectively screwing new affiliates who do well out of commissions.
Pretty much a new Goodlife USA affiliate is looking at losing $60, then receiving 50% of $500 and then losing most of any more CV they generate in their first month.
I mean it’s not like a new affiliate is going to be able to compete in generated CV versus that of the established affiliate who recruited them.
Punishing new affiliates for doing well in sales certainly seems entirely counter-productive to fostering company growth.
Pay to play is also an issue, with Goodlife USA affiliates who pay more for monthly membership given access to higher income potential.
In MLM an affiliate’s income potential should always be tied to sales performance, not how much they spend each month.
The good news is establishing whether or not you might be getting into a chain-recruitment scheme is easy. Just ask your potential uplne for their personally generated CV over the past few months, split into retail membership sales and that of recruited affiliates.
What you want to see is a healthy mix, preferably tilted towards retail membership sales. If retail memberships are minimal and it’s all recruited affiliate volume, that strongly suggests the operation of a product-based pyramid scheme.
Personally I’m not seeing the retail viability of Goodlife USA’s discount memberships, so I’d definitely be surprised if the sale of retail memberships was prominent throughout the company.
Hold on.. I thought this was travel.
How much is to be made selling travel or saved in travel if at all?
Nothing. They’re selling membership. They’re claiming to be buyer’s club when they’re MLM. They are not well versed in laws related to the two separate types of entities.
In a way, this reflects the fundamental dichotomy / confusion in MLM… Are the members consumers or distributors?
MLM derived from direct sales, and indeed flies the direct sales banner when it suits their purposes, but direct sales implies the members are distributors, i.e. SELLERS, and this fundamentally clashes with the idea of buyer’s club (i.e. Costco, Sam’s Club, etc.)
Previously I’ve explained that there is no margin in travel to support MLM-level payments. Cruises may have a margin of 15%, hotel 5-10%, but airlines are looking at 1-5% at best. You typically need 40% margin to do MLM.
Which basically means the only money to be made here is from recruiting, and that’ll put them in the footsteps of YTB and other schemes claiming to provide travel discounts.
Nothing. Good Life USA only sell access to travel discounts.
Mark Seyforth is back at it huh?
His method of operation is always the same. Find a wealthy partner and feed them his story about Seyforth labs and how he was so ahead of the time. (This was in the 1970’s which coincidentally enough is when he last updated his wardrobe).
Then get a bunch of hype going regarding the company, pocket some money and then take off.
He always blames it on “having the wrong partner”. At some point it’s not tanto it’s the Lone Ranger!
The talk around Miami is he has been under investigation for years for fraud and a number of things. He has had more failed companies than marriages and last count I believe he is on his 7th marriage.
This marriage hasn’t ended because his wife is 40 plus years younger than him and has her fun on the side.
This company has ZERO chance of making it. When will people stop trying to sell travel via MLM? Have they never used Expedia.com?
As for his partner it looks like he has a shady past. These two are perfect for one another.
I give this scam about 6 months and they will part ways and hate one another. The clock is ticking….
U make no mention of VIP loaded with $200 of travel discounts that are purchased for .20 cents each. When used you get compensated $150.
You really only need to recruit 2 people. Then just buy thousands of cards and hand them out.
Please advise.
VIP for who, affiliates or retail customers?
The number of people you have to recruit isn’t an issue. Getting paid to recruit in an MLM company with a service that’s clearly non-retail viable is the problem.
Its a travel club sold in a different platfrom. They sell travel club memberships across the country with prices ranging from $1995- $8995+.
I don’t see the disadvantages of the membership. If you can get a condo for $500 on the GoodLife website and its sold on expedia for $1500+, (if you travel), you are saving $1000+.
Key words are “if you travel”, if not, this makes no sense. The membership will pay for itself with the savings leaving you more money to play with on vacations. Thats the principle.
For $79 more, you can turn it into your own business to generate income. I feel its a phenomenal concept that differentiates from other mlm’s where you are selling a hope or dream.
You don’t have to tell someone to drink this shake because it will keep you healthy, or to try a cream that will make you younger.Not eith the GoodLifr. This is instant access to a travel club membership that saves you money when you travel, period! Nothing extra.
The tools provided is a $200 VIP CLUB CARD that you can give away for people to test drive the membership. They can compare the savings for themselves and if they want to keep getting savings, they can sign up for as low as $11.95 a month.
If they are self motivated individuals, then they can pay $79 extra on their membership and get compensated for their work that they put in. I personally dont see peoples negatives because I believe they are the ones that want to transfer their fears of not succeeding onto you.
I dont judge my success off others failures. If you are the type that does, then this is not for you. Simple as that. But if you like to travel, like to save money, then this is a no brainer.
Affiliates are required to purchase travel memberships. There’s a good change they are the only one’s purchasing them. If there are a few retail membership subscribers, they’re likely dwarfed by affiliate purchases.
This is “pay to play” and also recruitment commissions, which in MLM constitutes a pyramid scheme.
You sign up as a Good Life USA affiliate, pay a fee and get paid to recruit others who do the same. That has nothing to do with travel.
I’m just learning about this program. On the surface, it seems that just giving out the $200 discount cards and earning 100 back once each is fully used would pay for the program.
Whether those people ever joined the business, they get the benefit of using the booking site for up to 200 savings and affiliates earn commissions from that.
And as I understand, the costs to join are given back in something called ‘dream dollars’ which is credit towards vacations. I agree that if someone didn’t love travel or do much of it, would not make sense but that’s no different than someone not interested in taking nutritional supplements would not get involved in a wellness company.
Am I missing something?
Yup.
Sign up as a Goodlie USA affiliate, pay a fee, purchase a travel membership and get paid when others do the same.
If Goodlife USA affiliates are the only ones purchasing travel memberships, it’s operating as a service-based pyramid scheme.
Considering the alternatives, spending almost a grand a year to save money on travel doesn’t make much retail sense.
Received $200 card from another person. Can I use it without signing up and/or having my credit card being scammed. Always skeptical…… too good to be true??
It’s a $200 voucher IIRC. You still have to cover the rest of what you purchase.
Seriously guys…you have poverty mentality… of course the people that travel more can save hundreds of dollars…
Some people travel a lot … but don’t assume that people introduced to this are stupid…
The ones that don’t travel much can still add and subtract and have a CHOICE whether to enroll… MLM simply eliminates overhead and fixed costs from the Profit and Loss Statements…. this is brilliant, it give enyone an opportunity to be an entrepreneur ……
You see the glass half empty… I see it half full… This is a great product and a great vehicle to promote it…. Signed successful Network Marketer…
Provided they have almost a grand a year to blow on access to discounts.
Edit: Big Al’s response to the above was abuse and conspiracy theories. Apparently that’s what a “successful network marketer” is made of these days.
“successful network marketer” dog whistle meaning successful scammer.
that can’t be since we are not impoverish because we gave you money.
Since when does being able to identify a poorly disguised pyramid scheme equal having a “poverty mentality”
Seriously, Big Al, there’s nothing new, innovative or unusual about Goodlife, it’s all been done before.
Seriously, by starting with an ad hominem attack you revealed your position to be extremely weak and having a potty mouth mentality.
I was told that this was a gift card. Can I rent an 250$ dollar room, provide my VIP card, and only pay 50$. Seem like I was lied to.
From what I’m reading this is just a hotel and travel discount card. Please inform me somebody.
AFIAK the membership is almost a grand a year. The $250 card is a marketing tool to get you to cough up membership. Not sure if there’s strings attached.
Nobody seems to be mentioning the $200 VIP club cards that you make 50% of whatever that person saves.
Current redemption rate is 13%. Hand out 500 cards and have 65 redeemed. Say they only save $100 instead of $200. I just made $3250 on a $100 investment.
The person I gave the card to is happy because they saved $100. It is a win win all around. $59/month is NOTHING for all you can make in this company!!
Because it doesn’t have anything to do with the MLM opportunity and doesn’t negate pyramid recruiting commissions.
Seeing as you’re asserting GOodlife USA are running an investment opportunity, please provide SEC registration details.
To the person who received a VIP card from someone. It is not a GIFT card… that is the wrong term. It is a discount card.
If you used the back of the card and learned about it. you would see that they are beating all ONLINE pricing. You can compare their price with any other site.
Make sure you are comparing apples to apples. Many sites have fees that add on the further you get on your booking.
They guarantee to pay 110% if they don’t beat the online price. When you use it and save in comparison a their price, The person that gave it to you earns half of what you save up to $100.
The card user is considered a customer. I have several hundred cards out there. some People will use some will not.
If they like the savings they get with a “taste” of the Good life then they can purchase a membership at different levels Or become an Independant Business owner (IBO) distributor or what ever you wan to call it. See the goodlifeusa website for that.
The person that said people pay thousands of dollars to belong to travel clubs.. That is correct (these people travel a lot) so a Maximum of $59 a month is nothing to them to get all the ammenities ie, a personal concierge service, cruise prices, condo stay prices.
The other fact is they can get discounts on entertainment and shopping… try it and see if you can find some holes… His compensation plan is the best one yet.
I did hang in from one24 to now Good life and I am glad I did. The dream dollars accrue and you can travel for free or you can cash them in at 75% value.
I have been in other companies. I haven’t seen the down side… Just sayin!
The Card is crap. you dont save a dime unless you dont know how to shop for travel… .which apparently many DO NOT.
If anyone does not know that PRICELINE “NAME YOUR PRICE” is the absolute best way to rent a car…. then now you know. You simply bid 50% of the going rate on any of the travel sites and then increase your bid by a few bucks each type of car OR each day… YOU WILL SAVE A FORTUNE.
For those that dont care about the EXACT HOTEL you stay at in a city …the NAME YOUR PRICE is even more of a HOMERUN… I usually offer 30% of the going rate on a 4 star hotel….and get it…..
Tricks of the trade…REAL AND GENUINE.
GOOD LIFE>..SCAM and PONZI.. and PIECE OF SOLID STOOL!!!
I’m curious of when someone uses all of the $200 Gift Card, where does the $100 commission come from? Does the company just pony up the $100?
If so, how is this sustainable in the long run?
Seems to me that if I pay $0.20 to the company and get a return of $100 from the company, the company wont be around much longer.
Please help me understand this. Thanks!
if the same people who are traveling, are also selling it, and all their videos are designed to motivate you to sell it to others and make money… that doesn’t seem suspicious to any of you?
Their videos talk about a lavish lifestyle that seems tempting to anyone who has been stuck in low income, but they only stay on that briefly, and then keep spending a lot more time talking about how you get paid, how you can get rich, how you can MAKE MONEY MONEY MONEY!
THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT A PYRAMID SCHEME LOOKS LIKE EVERY TIME!
And there are always people who just want that so badly, that they start buying into the info, even though it seems too good to be true. Everyone who is saying they don’t see the problem with this, is too blinded by their promises of compensation that you don’t want to consider the fact that maybe it is a scam.
All your seeing is that you can make money…which is what pyramid schemes doooo!!!!
And people keep wondeirng about the cards. That’s what lead me here. Someone offered recruiting me as a way for me to get these cards and hand them out to my customers as a thank you, or present it as an added bonus to them.
I would be very careful with that. when a company is not a scam, look up their name and scam, you usually won’t find a whole lot, especially if they’re not a huge company.
You might find a couple weak things that sound like disgruntled customers or something. But when they are a scam, you find tons of sites like this, where people are debating and many people think it is.
Look at this site. Even if its NOT a scam, they sure do a good job of making it look like one.
Look at how many people see it that way! So if your handing these out to people you do business with, your customers, well, not all of them, as shown by this page, but many of them, as also shown by this page, will think it looks like a huge scam.
Because when they go to use that card you gave them, you know their website is going to try and lure them towards buying a membership, and they’re going to lure them by telling them they can get paid and get all this compensation just for joining, when they thought it was just a 200 gift card toward travel.
How will that reflect on you? It may just ruin a few of your business relationships. Or change them.
Well I gotta say, I was lured in myself. However, NOT FOR LONG!
I quickly proceeded to terminate my contract with GOODLIFEUSA, which they were very accommodating and nice about it, I sent back my VIP cards, 100 of them, I paid 30 bucs for I will get my money for that back as well.
This MLM, as all do takes a lot of time and $$. Most folks DO NOT have time to recruit the amount of people needed to get a ROI. they have full time jobs!
I just cannot see paying monthly fees, buying VIP cards and the time it takes to do it ALL! I AM OUT!!
I’m contemplating doing this program. I’m very familiar with MLMs. I think the Card marketing is pretty cool to get people to look at this concept.
I did check the Better Business Bureau absolutely no negatives or positives for that matter. Might have to give it a shot.
A few hundred dollars is not going to break me at this point in my life. No risk no reward.
Hello.
What are the advantages and disadvantages of just being a $79 IBO?
Appreciate your time and any feedback.
Major disadvantage is less income potential. Pay to play.
I don’t see this as a stand alone business. I will use the Card as a lead magnet in the Internet Marketing niche.
For those not familiar, Internet Marketing in the MMO (Make Money Online) niche either runs an ad in the banner form or offers it to someone that clicked on your Google listing for info on, let’s say, SEO, or email marketing.
You offer the free $200.00 Travel Card as an incentive to leave their email address so you can market to them and from there they enter your sales funnel in which they are offered info on various Courses designed to teach them IM techniques or marketing methods using things like Instagram or Facebook.
This way, I am offering them something of value in exchange for their name to sell them sometning else and, of course, the card which is also offering them something! Win…..Win!
There are currently over 40,000 customers in Good Life USA. Four times that of IBOs.
Also another important fact is the legal advisors. Greenberg and Traurig, James R.Prochnow. They are federal Prosecutors on behalf of the FTC.
Many MLM companies hide from these guys and Good Life USA (soon to go global) is partnered with them. They’ve gone through everything there’s no chance this is a Ponzi.
Lastly the Chief Technical Officer is none then Gregg Housh you might have seen him on CNN CNBC a time or 2. This is a powerful program.
Travel programs like this are as much as a one time payment of 3k that’s a fact.
Why do you think there are so many customers? They used the card loved the savings and want to save more it’s that simple. So many will win in Good Life USA. It’s a great place to be 🙂
According to who? And are those actual customers or just people who were handed vouchers?
Who said anything about a Ponzi? Chain-recruitment = pyramid schemes.
Unfortunately no amount of “legitimacy by association” can override a company’s business model. Primarily paying out on the recruitment of new affiliates in MLM = pyramid scheme.
Sorry I meant to type Pyramid Scheme. The 40,000 customers are paying customers they are not counting people who merely registered their cards. By the way they paid out $100,000 from the use of the cards. Not too shabby. 🙂
And I’m asking again, how do you know this?
You sure about that? 😉
Yes I’m quite sure. Google Greenberg Traurig, James R. Prochnow.
Geez, how could anybody get it so wrong ???
Greenberg Traurig, James R. Prochnow specialize in advising clients who are being investigated or prosecuted by the FTC or FDA, they do not do the prosecuting.
uh, the FTC has its own prosecutors. they don’t hire out private law firms to do their prosecution for them.
somebody is feeding you a load of BS.
People…. please take note of the date this review was made…. Way before Goodlife even launched… in fact… it’s still in prelaunch!
This review was made before one of our products was even released… OUR VIP Card! Yes, the card is 100% FREE to anyone to try… It is a discount card (no cash value) and allows someone to try the membership product before they buy a membership… To see the savings on their Hotels… that are cheaper than what you find online, and if not, GoodLife will price match 110%!
IBO’s don’t just make money by selling memberships… they make money when someone uses the VIP Card and saves… and they earn 50% of what someone saves, up to $100 !!
So much has changed since this review… the Legacy Tree is not even mentioned! This review is no bugus and needs to be revised or taken down!
GOODLIFE IS 100% COMPLIANT!!! You can join for a small cost which gets you a website and 50 VIP Cards to start you out… and No Monthly Fees! And you can also qualify for commissions once you sign up enough members to GoodLife.
They have dotted their I’s and crossed their T’s…
You don’t get the fast start for signing up an affiliate… you get the fast start from selling the membership itself… Because they pay the Fast Start on signing up just members too…
What a load of baloney. Goodlife USA was operating when I wrote the review and they’re operating now.
An almost 12 month prelaunch? Get out of here.
Free cards that provide access to discounts is not a product. It’s a marketing tool.
Giving out a free card is not a retail sale, nor does it in and of itself generate retail revenue for Goodlife USA.
The only people paying for VIP cards are affiliates, who get paid to recruit new affiliates.
That’s pyramid recruitment, with affiliates likely the primary source of Goodlife USA’s revenue.
Getting paid when a newly recruited affiliate signs up and pays fees = recruitment commission. Doesn’t matter what they’re paying for.
My wife got one of these cards in her office mailbox as an “appreciation”. Something didn’t seem right when she went to the registration site.
I checked it outm and it immediately like week-old fish. Just a little sleuthing led me here (first time caller, long time listener, by the way).
Here’s a free tip to Goodlife USA from your Uncle Donnie: if you put a little more effort into your production values, it might be a little more difficult for people to figure out your angle so easily. As someone mentioned above, this person has lost all trust with us.
Sounds like a lot of you are hating on here. I am a romance consultant. I travel a lot. I was given a $200 discount card.
I used it when I went to Las Vegas. I stayed in a suite at the Four Seasons for two nights and saved $918.04.
I researched Good Life USA against Priceline. Priceline wanted $2,095.26 for the same suite. After that, I did purchase the membership for $11.95 a month. Even if I pay $143.40 a year for the membership, I would have still saved $774.64 on this one trip.
Like I said, I travel a lot, so it is well worth it.
The person that gave me the card said he made some money off of my booking, so I had to look into the company.
I am thinking about using the discount card as a giveaway to my clients. That I why I am here, doing the research. There are a lot of memberships out there that cost a lot more than $858.45 a year (that is GoodLifes USA’s high end membership).
Time shares cost a lot of money, Vacation clubs cost a lot, especially if you like travelling in style. I pay a lot more in my monthly fees for my country club membership. You can definitely save money with this product, even if you only vacation 1 week a year.
You can also shop online and get cashback. I have not done that yet, but I eventually will.
Your situation is obviously not the norm. Most people aren’t going to recoup their annual fees.
If they stay clients (retail) then great. Otherwise that’d see you participating in pyramid recruitment.
I fell in love with Good Life USA Legacy Tree concept that every body that comes after you get your two people and get into the LT would fall under you and become apart of your “Legacy”, you would get paid up to $1.25 on ever 200.00 discount card those persons gave out that was used.
This is told to use from the owners to our up line and it was shown this way by video that was put out by the company.
I fell out of love when it was reviled to be a lie when it was time to pay out and if you ask questions you are consider a naysayer or speaking negatively about the company.
I was taught this falsehood and I was teaching it as well. I feel so bad for all the people I recruited under this falsehood, so ashamed. My word is my life and it means so much to me.
My heart was really trying to help get all I loved and knew to get into this TREE! The Money Tree as it was called.
To have people who really could not afford it but really wanted to take a chance to earn (buy) a position in the Legacy Tree in hopes of sitting in a good spot.
Just look up Legacy Tree with Mark Seyforth on YT and look at the illustration and listen to the short presentation, it was taken down so you may have to search it out and you will see for yourself how it was presented.
I just learned from a person who has been with the company from the beginning, they told the Founder Mark Seyforth, not to explain the LT in that manor, using that word choice and illistration because it was misleading but he done it anyways.
We worked so hard to get people qualified for the Legacy Tree before Canada open, (May 1st, 2017)so that the whole Country would fall in everyone who had their two recruits. So we worked tirelessly to help all to get in and we got in over 1600 people collective in one week!
When payout for the LT finally came in after several missed payout dates the checks were only pennies or nothing for most new members, and for older members less than $10.00 average.
The payouts were so bad and the got so many complaints, the company (Good Life) doubled the payouts in one day so now averages payouts are about $5-20.00.
They had the fall guy Brandy Simms to brake the bad news of the now 2×30 matrix, even fill, BS.
This is a new company with what they say a “Patent Pending” new compensation plan. I will continue to give out the cards but the recruiting is out of the question.
This is the only negative thing on the internet I can find about this company.
I misunderstood how their $200 saving card works and now I’ve lost about $500 on a non-refundable hotel room. The hotel was willing to cancel the res, goodlife was willing to cancel the res, but some mysterious third party responsible for making the actual booking is refusing to refund my money.
Said third party only comes up as “Member Getaways Las Vegas NV” in my checking account. There is zero contact information for them, and it took me hours to find GoodLife’s!
I’m working with my bank because I think this member getaway company is a fraud. I just want the whole thing done for. I wish I’d never gotten that card. 🙁
Here’s my opinion; the $200 VIP Card (as it’s called) allows the user to get a supposedly EXTRA discount, UP TO $200, off their best hotel room rate IF you use their (GL’s) booking portal.
The discount received will depend on the price paid for the room, so the higher the price of the room or the longer the stay the more of a discount you get.
If you spend $1000 you might get $100 or so off, if you spend $60 maybe $6 off. You still should compare prices with other booking sites before you decide.
I talked to three people I know who travel and regularly book rooms, and they said GL could not beat what they paid even using the VIP Card. I admit I didn’t see their proof though.
As for GL’s 110% guarantee, that’s only on the difference, for example if you found a room $10 cheaper than GL’s price GL will reimburse you $11, that’s if you prove the accommodations were exactly identical like same room, same floor, #people, #beds, etc, who’s going to go through all that trouble for $11.
I believe their goal is to sign up as many IBO’s (Independent Business Owners) as fast as they can to create good immediate cash flow for themselves.
I think the Legacy Tree thing is a “carrot” to keep the IBO’s working hard to sign up more IBO’s, I don’t think the LT will pay off for most members for quite some time, if ever.
They’re full of a lot of hype and promised expectations but IMO they have had too many problems with their internal platform, their new back office system and customer service.
GoodLife is NOT perfect – Nor is any other company out there in you really want to tell the truth.
There’s always BAD apples in every bunch. So ALL these Negative remarks I’m reading about is nonsense. There are MORE (+) reviews than (-) reviews!!
And how does that prove anything? Law is not a democracy nor a popularity contest.
As is, GoodLife is DANGEROUSLY close in overall execution to a prosecuted pyramid scheme called Burnlounge. And Burnlounge ACTUALLY sold music. But when most of the members are joining so they can SELL membership (i.e. recruit others), not for music, there is no real retail sales.
Furthermore, the business model seems to run afoul of “(illegal) referal selling” laws, in that offering a purchaser “discounts” on existing purchase contingent on purchaser refers more “sales” of the item, as that’s a disguised pyramid scheme.
Has no one asked “What hotels will actually take these discount cards?” Isn’t that part of the bottom line of whether or not this scheme has any value whatsoever?
GoodLife USA never tells you which hotel chains will take these cards, and you have no hope of even finding out until you get a card, enter the “Activation Code” and start searching through their proprietary database, which is hidden from the general public.
Even then, I don’t know that you will find out, and I’m not going to bother trying. You’re flying blind with this offer.
If you want to become one of their IBOs, you must pay 20 cents per card (alright, on the Platinum Plan, they give you 50 cards when you pay $279.95 for a “setup fee”, plus a regular monthly membership fee.
I don’t know what the monthly fee is for the Platinum Plan, but for the next lower Gold Plan, you pay $179 for setup and $39.95 per month, plus 20 cents per card that you have to hand out to unwitting strangers and family.
Call their 833-888-8389 number to hear the spiel and get these details, if you want.
It sounds to me like their plan has you going around in never-ending circles, paying more and more money, with no guarantee that any hotel will honor these third party discount cards. Need I say more?
we have been offered some of the vip 200 cards for our non profit service dog training program is this legit or a scam?
we are a small non profit org with no funds to be wasted and no laid employees we do travel for teams in other areas and demos but need to know what this is about?
we often find cheap hotels when we need one.
@Carol
If there’s no strings attached and you’re genuinely saving money, go for it.
If at any time you’re approached about a business opportunity, know then that you’re probably only going to make money cannibalizing your retail customers.
Seriously? How could a person even BEGIN to TRUST an MLM company to be HONEST and pay out on every card handed out, that is used by the consumer?
Soooo many of these companies are run by money worshiping individuals who are fully on the take. Let’s be real, shall we?
Ok i am considering signing up and have been doing my due diligence. I am only going to address the VIP card side of the business for now. I am not into the MLM side of recruiting people. That takes alot of time.
I am just paying the $79 for the first year to be an IBO ( independent business owner ). With this I will get 50 FREE VIP cards.
I will give these out for FREE and will get $100 for each card after all the HOTEL discounts have been applied. This could be 1 discount or MANY. This depends on the rate of the discount.
Also you are paid each time they get a discount, you don’t have to wait until the entire $200 is applied. And I was told the money could be deposited into my checking account.
Now for cost of the cards:
1-999= 20cents each
1000-2499= 18cents each
2500-4999= 16cents each
5000-9999= 12cents each
10,000-24,999= 10cents each
25,000+= 8cents each
As far as I know, I don’t have to sign up for any levels and pay the monthly and/or set up fees to make money on the cards. Just the $79 for 1 yr. ($39,95 per year after ).
I have been on the website and seen the actual hotels and rates with the good life rate deducted from the internet rate.
Is this the lowest that a person can possibly get? I don’t know.
I have seen a post above stating that he found a cheaper rate. So I think it’s up to the person booking the hotel to decide how much time he/she wants to spend looking.
Obviously you want the card to go to a person that travels alot and stays in hotels alot.
So I plan on taking my 50 free cards to an upscale restaurant and let them give them to guests. I will tell them to first ask if the person stays in hotels alot of course.
Now I’m not just gonna wait and see if they use them before handing out more because it could take a long time for 50 people to use them and get my $100 per card.
I plan on buying 5000 for $600 and give them to upscale fine dining restaurants, salon, luxury car dealerships etc. If I see results in 6-9 months I will buy more and repeat the process on a larger scale.
So I would get $5000 for my 50 free cards and $50,000 for my 5000 cards I purchased. If I see that it’s worth the time and money to buy the cards I will continue this process.
I will update this site on my progress over the next year.
I have been told there is another discount card in progress so I could just add it to my system.
So that’s my take on all this.
Not to rain on your parade, but why would third-party businesses hand out your cards and harass their customers while they’re at it? (asking questions about their hotel habits)
Looking forward to your update lol.\
What’s your plan B? Why don’t you just hand them out on the street corner, in a suit and tie?
What on earth would lead you to believe the owners of an upmarket restaurant would allow you on the premises, much less encourage their staff to harass diners with a marketing spiel ???
Skeptical is total moron! This is a scam and will crash and burn soon enough!
I contacted support and was told they have 100,000 card offer for 6 cents per card!! This is incredible if you think about it.
I too plan on handing out at Very High End Dining Establsihments and Spas as well as Beaches where there are vacationers.. Just think about the math…if just 2 Percent of the people register the card alone that is 2,000…. that is peanuts..
I am also planning on paying a marketer to give out the cards on the Vegas Strip in a Gorilla Outfit that I own…. true Gorilla Marketing… This willl only cost me about 5 dollars an hour to do and will generate huge results….
I will definitely be updating my results here… Thanks.
Stop monkeying around, will ya ????
I’m certain Skeptical won’t appreciate your Primateive attempts at humour
I have worked in the restaurant industry as well as sales in my area for 30 years. I already have 40 restaurants in 5 days that have agreed to have their servers to put them in the check presenter books.
I should’ve mentioned that I am buying plexiglass business card holders to put in the front lobby area of the businesses also.
Why would I stand in public and hand out cards all day when I can give hundreds/thousands to businesses that have thousands of people that frequent their locations.
Remember I can mail boxes to businesses all over my state with a flyer in the box explaining the deal. I would also call ahead and let them know to look for the box.
I also plan on sending them to Travel Agencies.
I think this is something that takes years to see a significant ROI.
Let’s say I buy 5000 cards at 12 cents each. That’s $600. I only need 6 people to use their card to get my $600 investment back. 6 out of 5000.
I am thinking of other ways to market this. I came up with all this in less than 2 weeks.
**scammerssuck: thanks for your intellectual comments and for sharing your research proving your comments.
uh, you convinced an average of 8 restaurants Everyday over 5 days to have their servers to put your discount cards in their check presenter books?
if these ‘high end’ restaurants which are frequently visited by high end regular travelers are so easily convinced, then their check presenter books would be about 10 inches thick – full of flyer ads and third party business offers!
looks like bull, smells like shit, i call BullShit.
nah. gorilla outfit bah! on a vegas strip?!
better idea: a blonde in a bikini with a fur cap and gum boots.
– people will look at the bikini and go – i’m going to book a room at a beach via jasons discount card. Yayy!
– people will look at the fur cap and go – i’m going to book a room in the mountains via jasons discount card. Yayy!
– people will look at the gum boots and go – i’m going to book a room in the amazon forest via jasons discount card and clomp around the amazon forests. Yayy!
– most people will just look and go Yayy! – but that’s another happy story!
bikini blonde > gorilla suit man = I Win!! 😀
Monkey wrench on Skeptical’s plan?
Can’t the restaurant owners pay the fee themselves and put their own cards out? Why give that potential money away to Skeptical?
He might be better off recruiting that owner before someone else does.
So I’m trying to decide if I should defend myself again from people like anjali. Nah not gonna explain myself anymore. If you don’t have an intelligent comment then shut up !! What do you know about the company ?
Char: employees aren’t allowed to market a business especially managers and owners are well off and don’t have time for this.
I told a friend about this and she asked for 22 cards for friends,family and co-workers. That’s $2,200 for me.
Just had a thought, these would make great stocking stuffers at Christmas.
If you have an idea to market the cards leave a comment.
If you want to bash my ideas then tell me what you are doing that is better and how much money you make a year.
@Skeptical
I’m curious. How much are you spending? Maybe you should wait and see how the $79 and 50 free cards work out first! Yes?
Do you have any experience with MLM and the people involved?
I am going to do the $79 and 50 free cards but that isn’t enough cards to test this. So I’m gonna spend $600 for 5000 cards and then monitor the results.
Remember it could take some people months to get all $200 in discounts which means it will take the same time to get my $100.
I think that massive amounts of cards delivered to businesses is the key. It has to be large scale and long term.
I am gonna do this for 1 year and then decide if its worth continuing. The only cost other than the cards is the postage to mail a box to businesses.
Also a small label that I will put on the back of each card with my contact info in case someone wants another card for themselves and other people.
I am familiar with MLM’s but I’m not interested in this side of it, just the cards.
I think one thing that people seem to be confused about is that the person getting a FREE card doesn;t have to pay the large monthly and set up fees to use the card, that’s for IBO’s
I’m gonna check my checking account once a month to see if there are payments from this deposited. If I make enough money I will continue and if not I will stop.
So you spending $600 on what if they use the cards or not?
Sounds like a really bad investment to call a business for long term wealth.
I can get a better return selling on ebay with $600 invested in products I know that will sell.
Even if they never sold – at least the products have value.
Unlike these cards that seem to have value to you.
Seems like the winner here is whoever is making these cards for to buy from them.
I make $100 per card. I only need 6 people out of 5000 to use the card to get my $600 investment back. If 80 cards were used I would make $80,000 for a $600 investment plus a couple hundred for shipping and labels.
I’m not sure how much profit you would make on a $600 investment on ebay.
How much do you know about Good Life?
Seems like alot of people want to bash things I am saying?? But no facts !!
hrmmph, some people are averse to getting free brilliant marketing ideas! i mean bikini blode v/s gorilla man? bikini blonde is the slam dunk winner!
meanwhile, could you share the list of the 40 restaurants which you convinced [in all of 5 days] to present your discount cards to their high end customers? if we can check your claim with these businesses, maybe you wont come across as a bullshitter?
you make a Maximum of $100 per card on the VIP $200 card. if a person gets a $40 discount on his hotel stay, you get 50% of that ie $20.
you need 6 people to Max Out the discount to get your $600 investment back! so, don’t paint a deceptively rosy picture – you, you, you convincer of 40 restaurants in 5 days!!
it could take scores or more people availing hotel discounts via your card to make back your $600 investment!
your BS meter just keeps goes dingdingding with red lights flashing!
@ Skeptical
Your doing everything right!!! Keep it up.. They can bash me and you but this is a sound business with a legitimate way to earn..
Of course Stocking Stuffers is great. I also just thought that having the Red Cross give these cards out to people that have been hit hard by the Hurricanes… they get savings they would otherwise not have.
Also, the people that collect donations in front of markets and stores over Christmas Season will hand out a FREEBIE to anyone who donates….
@anjali – You can laugh and criticize about the various types of suits but the fact is that obvioulsy work… or WHY ELSE would The Strip be LOADED with various characters giving out coupouns from everything from PEEL JOINTS to Helicopter Rides to Restaurant Deals, etc…….??? BECAUSE IT WORKS..
Skeptical is right..this is going to take a long time but I am comitted and when you talk about 100,000 cards….do the math yourself and how FEW actually have to join in order to break even… and then come back and chat….
ThIS IS A LEGITIMATE BUSINESS that provides a legitimate product that pays LEGITIMATE and FAIR COMISSIONS to AFFILIATES..
And Of COURSE if the Restaurant ovwner wants to be an affiliate..BRING IT ON…. that works as well..
this is what the goodlife USA website claims:
any proof of this ‘proprietary Hotel Booking Engine’?
how does goodlife ‘provide[s] exclusive savings’ which can better huge OTA’s like expedia and priceline? is there is magic formula in their proprietary hotel booking engine?
so, goodlife has negotiated special discount rates with over 900,000 Hotels and Resorts worldwide beating the other OTA’s black and blue?
how large is goodlife’s sales and marketing team to achieve this ^^ majestic feat in around an year or so, and do they all wear gorilla suits?
Let me know in a few years how that is working out for you and the 1000’s of others handing out the same cards.
You probably won’t be brave enough to show your face to say you failed or as you said “buy enough cards” to make it work.
Either way I don’t see this working out for you or anyone else long term.
Travel is hard enough to sell as it is – with everyone claiming they have discounts on it.
Leaving aside the nonsensical (non)product range, as Oz pointed out in his original review:
Which makes Goodlife both illegal and, more importantly from a prospective members’ point of view, guaranteed to fail
Unfortunately, it’s highly unlikely any of us will ever get to see the results of Skepticals’ marketing experiments.
Simply because Goodlife, like all of the travel / recruitment MLM schemes which preceded it, will have disappeared.
This is basically a dark side of the gig economy.
Jason was mumbling about “it must work, why else would there be people handing out coupons on the Vegas strip”.
Except he doesn’t realize the people who hand out the stuff are getting PAID to do so.
Whereas people in Goodlife are PAYING for the privilege of handing out those coupons… for vague promise of getting paid **if** the coupons they hand out get used.
Hey, I know what Skeptical should do.
Have a badge made with:
“I travel cheaply – ask me how”
Printed on it.
WINNER !!!
Thats $600 saved right there. Guaranteed savings!
Has GoodLife USA addressed the fact that spending $918 a year in fees to save money on travel isn’t going to work for most people?
You can hand out cards till kingdom come for all it matters…
Whats the “progresive bonus payout”?
if i get a card from a “friend” it gives me a 200$ discount on let say a nice lasvegas hotell. to get the full 200$ how much do i need to match.
As i understand it i have to spend 10000$ in hotellnights to get the full 200$ discount? (and then it will pass 100$ kickback to my “friend”)
(thats btw a realy shitty kickback for 10k off “spend”, expedia afiliate links pay more then that)
Lord: where are you getting this info. None of it is accurate.
It seems like alot of the guys commenting here don’t know what they are talking about.
Based on the Good Life website I found Nice hotels with about a $17 discount per night, THAT’S DEDUCTED FROM THE LOWEST INTERNET RATE AVAILABLE ! The discount isn’t $200 off one night for hotels that are $200+ per night.
So that 12 nights to get $200 in discounts. For someone that travels alot for leisure or business that’s not alot. If someone stays in hotels 180 days a year that’s $3000 in savings for FREE.
Except those guys either have travel agents or are so rich they don’t care about your piddly discounts.
Business air travel is a thing of the past with Skype calls and whatnot.
Whether they are well off or rich they still like to save money. They pay for their hotels not the travel agent
And I’m not banking on just rich people using the card. I’m hoping even people that stay in hotels 10 times a year will use the card and tell their friends, family and business associates about it. And since my cell number is on the label on the back of the card they can call me to get more cards.
And their are still people that travel for business, what’s your source for that comment?
I spend 8-12 cents per card and het $100 not a bad return.
How goes those returns?
Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.
I get a feeling you won’t be hatching very many no matter how many years you put into this.
It is not money in the bank. You playing a game of I hope they do I hope they do – please someone use my cards!!
How much money you pour down the drain on cards they may never use is the question?
How do you know ? Have you tried to market these cards or know anyone who has ?
so you have a website that if you pay $199 you get 10,000 visitors to your website ? How many buy something and how much money do you make ?
How long have you done this ?
BTW, 40% of business travellers are considering staying at shared lodging (i.e. AirBNB and such)
And only 15% of all business travelers book their own trips. The rest use their company’s travel agency or company’s online booking engine.
NOLINK://www.statista.com/statistics/562194/business-travelers-ideal-travel-arrangements-us/
You are nothing like your handle. You’re overly optimistic on faith alone.
@skeptical
Well you didnt answer my question. (our you didnt understand it?)
Im trying to get (if possible) a ratio on the “progressive bonus payout”.
is it the same on all the hotelnights our differs between hotels.
like i said.ile try to reprhase it,
if i stay 20 nights at the “Lodge hotell plaza inc” at a average rate of 500$/night i get my full 200$ discount on the card (i got for free from a friend)
what was the total price on the nice hotel you found?
was it perhaps 800$/night ? (800$x12n=9600$)
I think that most of the people here don’t understand how this works. I signed up for free, got a $200 VIP card and access to the website with all the Hotels and Resorts that offer a discount after the lowest internet rate. You can enter the country,state and city and see the discounts for yourself.
I suggest all of you do the same.Then you will have accurate info and I won’t have to defend my comments every day and explain the way this works.
If you don’t want to join then don’t bash the company.
People travel and stay in Hotels/Resorts and alot of them use Trivago and all the others to book a place to stay. I don’t think I will be rich with this but if I could make over $40,000 a year I would be happy. I only need 400 people per year to use their card. I think that is attainable.
So stop the negative comments, go to the website and all your questions will be answered. You don’t have to pay anything.
Good luck everyone. If you have a positive comment or question please leave it.
Reality is neither positive nor negative. If you only want positive comments, you’ll only get lies by omission. Negativity denial makes you reckless, something you should NEVER be in a business.
To put it more crudely, you’re like Bart Simpson putting a lamp shade over his head and slapping it with his slipper so he can’t hear Marge nagging on him. (Episode 3f07)
Skeptical.. your so right.. so many of the commentors have no idea what they are talking about.
For Example, I made the argument of doing hardcore Gorilla Marketing in which you have a Gorilla out on a Boulevard handing out cards…..and the comment I get is “you realize you have to pay them???” of course I know this…
The concept is that the people that receive the card from the Gorilla are going to really take a look at it compared to something they get from a handout or mailer…That is why they call it GORILLA MARKETING!!!
For petes sake folks… go and at least look at the site and you will see the value you get…AT NO RISK….
Having finalized my price for the 100,000 cards…dont be surprised if any of you see a Gorilla in your backyard in the coming days, months , year…
Oh and that is another thing…Skeptical and myself REALIZE this is LONG TERM… and yes the company will be around for a very long time because they are profitiable and have a great business model…
So take the lamp shade off Kasey and turn on the light… and whoever got the stat that 40% of business travelers “consider”….oh really….what do you hop into the business travelers MINDS now and see what they are consider.
The fact is that business travelers are being rewarded now for saving their company money on travel and ARE MORE INVOLVED…so take that Bag oF BOLOGNA WASH your slapping around and stuff it…
Lastly… as Skeptical mentioned…. you get the discound from the LOWEST INTERNET price PERIOD… so just a 17 dollar a night savings on a person who travels 180 days is 3K a year!!!!
What business would not like to save 3K a year???
come on folks…
The problem is how much do you have to spend a year to get 400 people to use the card?
A “decent” response rate for direct mail is 1-2%, assuming you’re using a cold list, and the offer is free. But what exactly *does* the VIP card do? It requires them to spend even MORE $$$$ (as it doesn’t provide a free room, just discounts) so I’d say your response rate will be lower, MUCH LOWER.
(source: mccarthyandking.com/direct-marketing-tutorials/learning-direct-mail-response-rates )
Let’s say, half percent (personally, I’d say a lot less)
So you’ll need to send out 80000 cards to get 400 recruits, assuming you can reach that many unique individuals through the few places you can hand out those cards.
That’s reality, not negativity.
By making money off of you, who pay them up to $1000 a year (cost of the cards too)
And here’s a thought:
And what are the chances of that happening?
Local brochures and flyers with local merchants have 1-2% conversion rate.
Hotels and travel, i.e. luxury goods have MUCH MUCH lower conversion rates. And note the part about the user have to use up ALL the discounts for you to get paid.
The chances against you are so stacked you can’t even estimate the numbers. You are simply blind toward it due to your own optimism bias.
Unlike your denial, they actually conducted surveys. Your rejection of their data just because it doesn’t fit within your narrative exposes your motivated thinking and confirmation bias.
Oh, more “depressing” facts for you.
Amex Global Business Travel stats:
Average US business traveler makes SEVEN trips PER YEAR
Even if you assume said traveller book their own trips (which is less than 15% of all business travellers), it’d be a while before those discounts are used up, hmmm?
@skeptical
im not trying to be positive our negative.
i work i marketing (digital/sem/ppc),and i have 1hand experiance from travel and hotell industri (direkt and affiliate).
so as far as i figure
–
you need to find 400ppl that spends a total of 400×10000$,
4´000´000$ of spend to get your 40k a year kickback.
our 800pplx5000$,
1600pplx2500$
and so on.
-but then i guess your costs go up in your buisnesmodell.
Its a poor kickback for hotellnights referals, someone else is getting the better end of that deal (“hint” its not the hotell). especially when you look at the competition and the niches of the market.
If all that i needed to do was give out 200$ giftcards and sit on my ass and count the 100$ bills rolling in” i would quite my job today. but thats not the case as you see in the breakdown i wrote for you.
Turns out a different study by TrustYou that compiled data from 1.57 million travelers and reviews painted an even MORE pessimistic picture…
Average business trip per person per year is even lower… less than 5 trips per year. And they consider reviews to be more important than price.
What does that mean to your little business? Think about it.
A company can do that just by firing a person!
So your point is pretty weak in that small statement.
The reality is – the business model is great – they can get a bunch of NOOBS to buy and hand out cards for them that cost the business NOTHING.
Any so called savings that do come along that pay the NOOBS is peanuts.
Lets hear it for the company that is printing and selling the cards – put me on that side of the business.
IMO, In Vegas most cards which are handed out are thrown away 10 seconds later.
Do a test in your monkey suit and follow ten recipients and see how long they hold onto your card.
This might help you estimate how many extra cards you could possibly have to
purchase
It’s also worth noting that JM and S are basically doing the sheeple dance:
* ad hominem attacks against skeptics
EX: “poverty mentality”, “bologna wash”, tsk, tsk
* wishful thinking scenarios (without calculating what are the actual chances of achieving them)
EX: Someone who spends 180 days a year in hotels. Really…
* moving goalpost
EX: responding to cited stat “15% of business travelers book their own trips” with “business travelers are being rewarded now for saving their company money on travel”
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Optimism in the absence of logic is just recklessness. That’s not a business, but faith.
But there’s no talking them out of it. They’re beyond reason, convinced we’re just “negativity”. They as much as said so “don’t talk to me unless you want to say something positive”.
Honest advice often hurts.
I have to go back and correct something I wrote, I had just checked out a few hotels in multiple cities and the discounts were small but after checking out more high end hotels and resorts I found that you can get a $200 discount on one night.
Now I have to found out if you can use more than one card per stay or is it one card for the entire stay.
To the question of “how much does it cost me to get cards out to potential users?” I am dropping them off at businesses in large quantities and mailing them as well. So gas money and postage. But I might spend money on plexi-glass display cases in some locations.
And again I make $100 per card once they have used all of the $200 discount. And my cost is 12 cents per card. Unless I buy more cards and it goes down to 10 cents or 8 cents. The breakdown is on one my earlier post above.
I only need 50 people per month to use the cards to make $60,000
btw this is not direct mail to the home. It’s delivered to select businesses with high end clients that travel.
Did anyone go to the website and check out the ACTUAL hotels and resorts to see the discounts ?
I don’t mind negative comments but 95% of the comments have been inaccurate !!
And how many cards would you have to pass out to do that? Your conversion rate would be MUCH MUCH lower than 1%. 1-2% is what Valpak coupons get locally, you know, that stack of coupons that arrive in your mailbox you toss out immediately.
Seriously, who goes to restaurants and shops to grab coupons and brochures nowadays? They go online. Even Valpak is online now with geo-located coupons.
And people who frequent high-end hotels don’t give a **** about discounts. They are “price-insensitive”. Try reading some books on behavioral economics for your own benefit.
High-end clients don’t give a **** about coupons, since they’re not paying. Company is. If they are personally wealthy, they don’t care about coupons any way. You are looking for a market that doesn’t exist.
Lets say you hand out so many cards you don’t even keep track just to say you earn $1000.
Do you think these same people will keep using the card or are you chasing after more and more different people with the cards?
IF you really knew who the spenders were that would REALLY USE THE CARDS – you wouldn’t need to order or figure out where to place them and your money would just roll in by the bucket load.
Your whole way you are doing this is like I HOPE IT WORKS OUT – IF I CAN ONLY GET THIS MANY.
Who builds a whole business around WHAT IF.
Worst case is – you wasting your time then what?
You lost a lot of time handing cards out to a majority of people that will never use them.
The best case would be EVERYONE USING THE CARDS.
Where do you think you fall?
So they have to register to use the card?
If this is the case I can see even more people not even bother to use them.
Unlike a coupon you can just use it and get your discount period.
Somehow you seem to see only the positive in something full of more negatives that you want to build what you think is a big business for yourself.
Its only your money you are wasting trying to prove a point.
Terence B., every business ever opened gets started by someone saying “I hope someone will buy my product”. EVERY BUSINESS.
If they were alive you could ask Ray Kroc or Walt Disney. It starts with an idea that, if you can get enough money and enthusiasm behind it, grows into an actual business.
BTW, I did a comparison of an all-inclusive stay in a hotel in Cabo San Lucas at the beginning of September between GoodLife USA, Priceline and Expedia. Here are my findings: youtube.com/watch?v=zoydu9_Fn_E
Oh really?
@Skeptical
If you are genuine with noob intentions, you really should consider the years of experience Oz and many have. They are trying to save your money – not prevent you from making it!!!
Good people don’t start MLM companies. Did you read the review and history of the owners?
You are about to enter the shady world of MLMing, and you are a sitting duck. FYI, your supporter “Jason McRiffle” can also be found defending a Ponzi scheme in this comments section.
behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/the-peoples-options-review-daily-crypto-miningtrading-roi-lottery/#comment-388062
“Also, the person that actually runs the trading side is a very transparent persson whose name is HENRY.”……Says Jason McRiffle
Did you add in your Platinum membership FEE?
So exactly what are you saving?
How many trips are you taking?
Nice try – Yet I don’t think you are taking trips to save money but are just marketing for cash!
Apples to Apples – Show me some savings on REAL TRIPS YOU PAID FOR.
Then you can claim SAVINGS.
I gave out cards to different potiential users. Two business travelers (who travel a lot) told me they have travel memberships with two different large hotel chains, both said their hotel membership discount was better then GL.
Another person I know who travels frequently tried 3 times to use his GL card, his travel company’s membership was cheaper two times and only $7 cheaper the other. Two other business travelers I know told me their company pays for all their travel expenses.
It seems on a low end hotel room rate (<$150)the savings is minimal if any, on an exclusive high end hotel or resort you will save more, however wealthy people who stay in high end hotels are offered many types of vacation and stay discounts from different agencies all the time, and many could care less about worrying about using a discount card when they're ready to go somewhere.
So how much of that high end market do you really think you can tap into? Another thought, who gets the members that signup from the GL telemarketing call center?
@ sunshine.. Okay your referring to one situation.. yes… the GL Card is not going to save in every situation…but overall…it beats most everything..
I am just getting results right now from having people give out CARDS all over town and see the resuts… but so far all is good ….
But the NON BELIEVERS can still talk trash…. that is fine… I am here and ready to discuss why I am making money and most of you are NOT!!!
and yet have not one single piece of evidence to prove it. it is easy for the scammers like yourself to talk trash. it’s your nature. how else would you get your money back from new marks?
And you still didn’t answer Sunshine’s question “who gets the members that signup from the GL telemarketing call center?”
When you ready feel free to respond without hype and bias.
Seems Sunshine NAILED IT – Anyone taking trips that already has discounts isn’t looking to use some unknown card because someone hands it to them saying it is better than anything.
Truth be told above ” ITS NOT BETTER MOST OF THE TIME ”
The money is getting newbies to buy into the idea they can get paid for handing out cards.
The “center” can then begin to get work upselling people on memberships.
The company saves tons of money because it costs them nothing to wait for people to use the cards that newbies are paying for to hand out.
Care to explain how many cards you have paid for and handed out Jason??
You are going broke doing it
I have been in many MLM companies in the last 20 years. GoodLife, is by far, THE best out there!! PERIOD!! I have studied MANY OTHER companies, their owners and their comp plans…they PALE IN COMPARISON to Goodlife!!
They have a PATENTED COMPENSATION PLAN, they have a very low start up cost AND there is NO SELLING INVOLVED!!
It’s finny that MOST people who write NEGATIVE comments are theyvones LOOKING for a “get rich quick” program – and COMPLAIN when they don’t succeed!!
It’s VERY SIMPLE…for ANY MLM out there…YOU GET WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT!!
As far as the person COMPLAINING about the Legacy Tree…She CLEARLY doesn’t understand HOW it works!!! OF COURSE the first few payouts will be VERY LOW!! Have you ever heard of when you double penny for 30 days?? What is your pay out on day 30? Go ahead! Figure it out! It will blow your mind!!
It’s incredibly sad that people who truly don’t understand MLM’s and RESIDUAL INCOME – use platforms like this to try to tarnish a good company!
As far as Goodlife and the $200 (SOON TO BE $2000) cards… I has handed out hundreds of cards and when people use them to book hotels (and NOW flights, resorts, condos, rental cars, etc)…I GET PAID!! I’ve gotten paid on a very high % of cards that have been used!
After only six months, I am able to work this business full-time. Why? Because it’s an EASY, DUPLICATABLE system with an UNBELIEVABLE compensation plan!!
I am truly convinced that the people who are so negative are the people who have failed miserably at everything in their life. They want to blame everybody and everything instead of blaming themselves.
WAKE UP, PEOPLE!!! GOODLIFE IS THE BEST MLM COMPANY!!! PERIOD!!
GoodLife patented a matrix compensation plan did they? Feel free to provide proof.
Given you’ve clearly made this up, I’d advise taking the rest of your anecdotal evidence with a grain of salt.
Oh and it in no way justifies paying pyramid recruitment commissions. Someone who’s been “in many MLM companies in the last 20 years” should know that.
Where’s the patent number? Hello!!!!!!!
I am truly convinced that there are plenty of sheeple to be fleeced, because they WANT to believe in the good in the world, without actually checking things. Faith is admirable… in a religion, not a business.
I did NOT make it up. That would be stupid of me to do so when anyone could research it and find out what I said is TRUTH!!
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^^ No evidence to back up your claim? No deflection waffling.
“Patent pending” marketing copy is not evidence of a held patent. It’s meaningless marketing spam that for some reason you’re trying to pass off as fact.
Either you’re being willfully disingenuous, or you’re naive to the point of gullibility. Neither works out in your favor.
This also doesn’t mention retail sales, meaning this particular marketing copy is advertising a pyramid scheme.
How can it be a “pyramid scheme” when one of the options of joining the company is to JUST hand out cards and get paid when people use them?
You don’t have to do anything else…no recruiting, no building, etc. You simply hand out cards to people who travel and when they use them, you get paid.
Clearly you’re not a fan of Goodlife. I’m not a fan of a lot of MLM’s. I just finally found one that works for me and has allowed me to leave my corporate job.
Best of luck to anyone looking to join an MLM!! There are certainly plenty of them out there!
Because paying affiliates to recruit affiliates in MLM is the definition of a pyramid scheme, irrespective of what else can and can’t be done.
Choosing not to earn recruitment commissions doesn’t negate the fact that someone can join Goodlife USA and get paid to recruit.
I’m not a fan of pyramid scheme scams. That Goodlife USA pays recruitment commissions is incidental.
Best of luck with the scamming. And can we confirm you were lying about the patented comp plan, or are you just going to pretend you never mentioned it?
I’m not pretending anything. It’s not a lie. It’s a fact. Research it if you think it’s a lie.
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Thankyou for confirming you have no evidence of a compensation patent held by GoodLife USA.
The honest thing to do would be to admit you lied rather than launch into strawman tirades.
Elizabeth… would I be correct in guessing that you have no idea how the Patent Office works, or that the records of a patent’s existence MUST be public?
Come on now. 20 years MLM experience, you can’t expect her to know that.
Considering some of the things I’ve seen people successfully patent, Goodlife’s claim to have patented a “shared team” might possibly have been granted by some nitwit of a bureaucrat. But still, she needs to show the proof and patent number, not just blather about patent being held.
You are not selling anyone on the idea here.
You probably still goin broke handing out cards.
Another want to be get rich newbie that has memorized the marketing pitch!!
@Elizabeth, @Jason McRiffle, @Skeptical -Am waiting for an update. No posts after Dec 2,2017. What happened?
If you are making money with the GL $200 VIP cards, I would like to hear from you. Thank you.
I was with YTB which is not a discount travel site. What you buy is an online travel site and the opportunity to be an independent travel agent.
I am with a non-MLM host agency now and there is very little difference. I sell a lot of travel but also use nontraditional ways such as reselling time share weeks.
I find someone that wants to sell a week at Disney and match it up with a buyer. The buyer may save $1,000 or more. I make money and the timeshare owner gets money on a week that he couldn’t use.
Restaurant .com offers travel discount cards that you can buy. The card has a site where you can take a free test drive so I tried it out. I am going to be in San Francisco in early March and want to book a room for three nights. If I buy the card for $45 I can save about $235 off the best price in Trivago. So it makes sense to buy the card and save $190 overall.
I looked at resorts in Cancun and found that there were many great deals and even on just a four night stay you could save up to $500 at many resorts. That was the maximum for this card.
You had to book through their site which was no problem. It looked like they had just as many hotels and resorts as Trivago and Expedia.
If I could get a very similar card for free through Goodlife why not. I could book a three night stay in SF and save $235. Regular price $565 with discount $330. I saved over $200 and the person that gave me the card just made an easy $100.
So what Elizabeth, Jason and Skeptical are all saying is pass out cards. Especially to people that like to travel. To join as an affiliate is $79 and for 100 cards is another $20 so about $100 total. You might even get free cards when you join. So it takes just one person to book a three, four or five night stay in a major city to recoup your money.
I haven’t joined Goodlife and haven’t seen a presentation but I will get a card tomorrow and check out the savings. If they are similar to the cards offered by restaurants .com but are free it’s a no brainer.
Here are just some ideas on how to pass out cards. At bridal shows, in goody bags at golf scrambles, fundraisers. the ways really are endless.
I see little advantage to joining as a silver, gold or platinum because i really haven’t gotten into the comp plan.
If Goodlife is soon to come out with a higher card such as $2,000 that’s even better.
Include a flyer with the card as you pass them out. Maybe as people get off cruise ships at foreign ports. all you ask is that people compare prices. If Goodlife i slower then great. Everybody wins.
I also gave seminars to other travel agents on how best to get free trips.
I have gone on dozens of free trips including a transatlantic voyage for two on the Queen Mary 2, and in two weeks a Princess 15 day Panama canal cruise for two.
Someone nicknamed me “easy money” because I could find ways to make easy money.
For example referring people to join a bank years back. They were giving $25 referral rewards to people when someone they referred joined. The person who joined needed to deposit $25 in a new checking account and the very next day the bank added $100.
I made up flyers and had 5,000 printed for about $100. Glossy full color. I passed them out at the Dollar store right next to the bank.
In a 6 month period I had over 600 people join that I referred. I made over $15,000.
I see this as a very similar opportunity. For $79 and 20 cents a card it’s worth a try.
No you don’t. You buy a replicated website page plugged into somebody else’s travel site, plugged into an undisclosed third-party engine’s travel-booking engine.
Setting up the replicated page is automated and shouldn’t take more than a few seconds to generate the subdomain.
You’re buying discount cards and handing them out hoping people sign up as affiliates under you. Spending $918 a year to save on travel is only going to attract a very niche cross-section of travelers, most of which whom are already using a discount platform.
@Mike M Thank you for your reply. I joined GL (IBO #52). Was told that you can enroll max of 2 with a linear payout (everyone who joins GL after you), that your sponsor will help you. That did not happen.
I was looking for step-by-step instructions on how to market new IBO’s on facebook (currently not on any social media). That did not happen.
Then GL set up a new Bonus tree and people started dropping out of the original LT. Now there is some new ETA program that there is a charge for training (I did not apply).
Greatly appreciate your input & ideas.
@Mike M Just found out that GL completely revamped how their IBO’s get paid – goes into effect on May 1.
I just looked at the cards to see if they were worth the trouble. I found that you can do a test drive with $500 account. this is for informational purposes only and can’t book anything.
GL just started making $2,000 cards available. Three cities I put in for the test drive were Cancun, San Francisco and Las Vegas. three very popular destinations. Here is the test drive site…. (Ozedit: link removed) take your own test drive.
Think about someone booking an all inclusive resort and getting $1,200 discount. That means the person that gave them the card just earned $600. Four nights in Las Vegas could generate a $400 savings and $200 to the person that gave them the card.
Innovative marketing ideas. Charity and fundraising events. Everyone gets a free $200 card. Give a quick demonstration and say that everyone who donates $10 (any amount it could be $20 or $30) they can upgrade to a $2,000 card.
At a charity golf event with 100 people if 20 people upgrade to a $2,000 card and pay $25 to upgrade the charity just made an extra $500. You have the potential to make $1,000 on each of these cards. These are cards that people wanted and paid $25 for.
As a travel agent someone wants to book a trip to Cancun, Punta Cana, or Cabo San Lucas. I can book them the normal way and make about a $350 commission.
I can show them the alternative, saving money and booking through the discount card. Saving them $1,000 or more and making 50% of what they save, which could be $500 to $1,000.
Whimsicle, where do I find out info about the revamped comp plan?
Link required login, spam removed. Do not repost.
@Mike
There is no “test site”.
You activate a $200 or $2000 card and then you can see all the discounts and deals you can use.
@Mike M Activate a Virtual card which is available on website (Ozedit: spam removed) to have a look-around. I didn’t see where they posted anything about the new plan that has not been activated yet.
I will say this one more time and one more time only: Stop posting referral code spam links.
@Mike M I don’t know what “$500 account” or where you found “500 account” for GL. (Ozedit: spam removed)
I posted here a few months back…my friend was in GL, he tried to make it work.. he quit.
GL changed there platform, they changed their payout plan, they changed their Bonus plan, they changed needing 2 signups to get full compensation, they lowered subscription fees, they tried offering a family/friends plan to get them to sign up, and I heard if you had quit they will sign you back up and forgive all past due balances owed …for those that don’t get it, IMO these are all ideas and efforts to stay afloat….and I believe they are on a slide.
Many and I mean many have supposedly quit, you don’t have to believe me, call a few members and ask if they’re still in and ask them if they know anyone who quit.
Don’t say it’s like any other business and some make and some don’t, if GL was that great many members would gladly offer to show you their earnings, they can’t.
I have no “skin in the game’ with GL. I told my friend to quit long ago, he finally did and he realizes something just ain’t Kosher with GL.
As they say…. “warning to the wise is sufficient”.
LOL now involved with crowd1..birds of a feather and all that.
Mark Seyforth is back at it again, this time with a Hollywood actor Neal McDonough as brand ambassador.
I blow caution to the wind, the new company CFORTH sounds a lot alike his previous one, with travel and hotels.
There’s a free level, and paid levels at $25 a month.
One thing he’s promoting now are tablets to put in your gas tank that will save money on fuel costs. Of course you have to be a paid DBO to get the tablets.
When I have pay monthly to be part of a MLM or buy their products and recruit people just in the slightest hope of making a profit it’s a no brainer to walk away.
I thought “CFORTH” was a joke name. I see apparently it’s a thing.
And noooooooo, I loved Band of Brothers… this is almost as bad as Larry David at the Super Bowl.
Thanks, I’ve added CForth to the review list.
Mark Seyforth is probably “at it again,” this time promoting “A New GAME CHANGER” in Craigslist Computer Gigs ads and in Craigslist / Services / Small Biz ads.
Search online for “Can You Share a Phone Number?” to find examples. Info about this income oppty is shared only by calling [removed] (used by a current or former Good Life USA rep), listening to a 2-minute message, leaving your name & phone#.
The day after I left my name & phone#, I got a text message from “Mark” asking when’s a good day/time for him to call. I texted back and suggested when.
Today, I got a call from a different phone#, by a man named “Christian” who explained that he works with Mark, helping to make the calls to people who asked for info.
This program is $500 to join: $200 goes to the ID# (Inviter code) that invited me (it appears below the phone# in the Craigslist ad; we’ll call that person Allen); $200 goes to Allen’s inviter; $100 goes to “Admin.”
There’s no product or service other than 100 drop cards with my ID# that I can “leave around town.” I’ll earn $200 residual one-time payments as people who joined using my Inviter code get others to join.
Christian referred to this as a “unique opportunity to “crowdfund yourself.” He did say that “Mark” had been in the Air Force and has many years experience in online business opportunities.
I asked Christian a few questions, but then said $500 isn’t in my budget now. He politely ended the call a few minutes after saying if/when my budget allows, I can call him back and join then.
Sounds like an oldschool offline pyramid gifting scheme. See if you can catch a name.