Asirvia Prelaunch Review: Saivian ROI model attached to subscriptions
There is no information on the Asirvia website indicating who owns or runs the business.
Infact at the time of publication, the Asirvia website is nothing more than an email capture page.
The Asirvia website domain (“asirvia.net”) was registered on December 10th, 2016. Donald LaPlume is listed as the owner, with an address in the US state of Vermont also provided.
Further research reveals LaPlume is one of three Asirvia co-founders, along with Don Smith and Kevin Marino.
Prior to founding Asirvia, all three co-founders were involved in Saivian.
Saivian launched in late 2015. Affiliates paid $125 every 28 days and based on recruitment of new Saivian affiliates, were able to earn a daily ROI of up to $3000.
About a year after launch Saivian appears to have stalled, prompting LaPlume, Smith and Marino to jump ship and launch Asirvia in late 2016.
Read on for a full review of the Asirvia MLM opportunity.
The Asirvia Product Line
Asirvia market third-party services they claim are “true solutions for real life”.
Services available through Asirvia can either be purchased stand-alone or in a package bundle.
- Tax Minimizer Pro – $39 a month
- Money Mastery – $20 a month
- Mobile Savings App – $24 a month
- Home Tech Support 24/7 Unlimited – $29 a month
- ID Theft Premium Protection – $25 a month
- Credit Monitoring Ultimate – $29 a month
- Online Data Backup Pro – $19 a month
- Total Family Internet Protection Pro – $19 a month
- TeleHealth MD 24/7 Unlimited – $34 a month
- Roadside Assistance Xtra – $19 a month
- Multimedia Group Messaging Pro – $24 a month
Through bundle package subscriptions Asirvia retail customers and affiliates can pay for six or all of the services available:
- Basic Package – any six services (includes RX Pharmacy Savings Card) for $99 a month
- True Solutions Package – all eleven services above plus “Live Life U” and the RX Pharmacy Savings Card for $169 a month
The Asirvia Compensation Plan
The Asirvia compensation plan pays affiliates to sell service subscription packages to retail customers and recruited affiliates.
First Month Package Subscription Commissions
Asirvia affiliates earn $25 when they sell a Basic Package and $50 when they sell a True Solutions Package.
For individual service subscriptions a 25% commission is paid out.
A residual subscription commission of is paid out via a unilevel compensation structure.
A unilevel compensation structure places an affiliate at the top of a unilevel team, with every personally recruited affiliate placed directly under them (level 1):
If any level 1 affiliates recruit new affiliates, they are placed on level 2 of the original affiliate’s unilevel team.
If any level 2 affiliates recruit new affiliates, they are placed on level 3 and so on and so forth down a theoretical infinite number of levels.
Asirvia cap the residual subscription commission at five levels, with how much an affiliate earns determined by which package is sold:
- the Basic Package pays a $2.50 residual commission across five levels
- the Total Solutions Package pays a $5 residual commission across five levels
There doesn’t appear to be a residual commission paid out on individual service subscriptions.
Note that this commission is only paid out on the first month of the subscription.
The same commission is paid out regardless of whether a retail customer or recruited affiliate purchases the package.
Residual Package Subscription Package Commission
Using the same unilevel compensation structure as First Month Package Subscription commissions, an Asirvia affiliate earns 10% each month for the life of the subscription.
A 5% level 2 residual monthly subscription commission is also paid out.
Asirvia Affiliate Ranks
- Affiliate – sign up as an Asirvia affiliate (no MLM commissions)
- Associate – sell and maintain three package subscriptions, recruit three affiliates and generate $1000 monthly GV
- Senior Associate – generate $4000 monthly GV
- Leader – generate $10,000 monthly GV
- Senior Leader – generate $20,000 monthly GV
- Manager – generate $30,000 monthly GV
- Senior Manager – generate $50,000 monthly GV
- Regional Manager – generate $75,000 monthly GV
- Director – generate $100,000 monthly GV
- Senior Director – generate $150,000 monthly GV
- Regional Director – generate $200,000 monthly GV
- Executive – generate $300,000 monthly GV
- Senior Executive – generate $600,000 monthly GV
- Regional Executive – generate $1,000,000 monthly GV
- Vice President – generate $1,500,000 monthly GV
- Senior Vice President – generate $2,500,000 monthly GV
- Regional Vice President – $5,000,000
- Ambassador – generate $7,500,000 monthly GV
- Global Ambassador – generate $10,000,000 monthly GV
GV stands for “Group Volume” and is subscription package volume generated by an Asirvia affiliate and their downline.
Note that no more than 34% of the required monthly GV at any rank can come from any one unilevel recruitment leg.
Daily Commission
Asirvia affiliates receive a daily commission based on their affiliate rank as follows:
- Associate – $1
- Senior Associate – $4
- Leader – $10
- Senior Leader – $20
- Manager – $50
- Senior Manager – $75
- Regional Manager – $100
- Director – $150
- Senior Director – $200
- Regional Director – $300
- Executive – $500
- Senior Executive – $750
- Regional Executive – $1000
- Vice President – $1500
- Senior Vice President – $2000
- Ambassador – $2500
- Global Ambassador – $3000
Matching Bonus
Asirvia affiliates at the Associate and higher ranks receive a matching bonus on commissions earned by downline affiliates.
Based on an Asirvia affiliate’s rank, the Matching Bonus can be earned on up to four levels of recruitment:
- Associate and Senior Associate – 25% on level 1 (personally recruited affiliates)
- Leader and Senior Leader – 25% on level 1 and 10% on level 2
- Manager to Regional Manager – 25% on level 1, 10% on level 2 and 5% on level 3
- Director to Regional Director – 25% on level 1, 10% on level 2 and 5% on levels 3 and 4
- Executive and higher – 25% on level 1, 10% on level 2 and 5% on levels 3 to 5
Joining Asirvia
Asirvia affiliate membership is currently tied to the purchase of a $149.95 Founders Club.
Conclusion
The biggest compliance issue with Saivian was the daily ROI paid on recruitment.
Unfortunately Asirvia has retained this problematic component.
In Saivian the daily ROI paid out was tied to a $125 fee every 28 days.
In Asirvia this fee is now tied to service package subscriptions and is based on total subscription volume over recruited affiliates.
This is similar to WakeUpNow’s business model, which attached a mish-mash of third-party services to a monthly subscription fee.
A lot of the services bundled with Asirvia’s monthly subscription are the same or similar to what WakeUpNow was offering.
This is important, because what we learnt when WakeUpNow collapsed is that typically it’s only affiliates who purchase these type of subscriptions.
From a retail perspective whatever savings might be realized are usually outweighed by an ongoing monthly cost of $99 or $169.
There are going to be statistical anomalies but by and large unless you’re already paying more for the services offered, you’re probably going to be better off just saving your money.
So that raises the question: Who will be purchasing Asirvia subscription packages and why?
That brings us to the daily ROI.
If an Asirvia affiliate sells three packages to recruited affiliates or retail customers, their own package is free.
Discarding retail for the reasons above, this effectively reduces Asirvia to a “sign up and recruit three affiliates on package subscriptions” opportunity.
Do this, get your recruits to do the same and over time you’ll build your daily ROI payout.
The two primary problems with this is that first and foremost it’s a securities offering. Asirvia affiliates are paying a fee and collecting a passive daily ROI.
There is no indication anywhere on the Asirvia website or in their compensation plan videos that the company has registered with the SEC to offer securities in the US.
Secondly if the majority of revenue is being sourced from affiliates, the daily ROI would primarily be the recycling of new affiliate funds to pay existing Asirvia affiliates a daily payment.
In this scenario Asirvia would be operating as a Ponzi scheme.
Retail subscriptions would prevent this but as it stands there are no retail subscription requirements. And again as we’ve seen in WakeUpNow and similar opportunities, typically monthly subscriptions that merely provide access to discounts aren’t retail viable.
It didn’t take long for Saivian to deteriorate into a recruitment scheme that has nothing to do with the bundled e-commerce portal.
This is evidenced by the fact that China is currently the largest source of traffic to the Saivian website (nobody is sending in Chinese receipts for a rebate).
Asirvia is less obvious but the underlying concept is the same. Pay a monthly fee, recruit others who do the same and collect a fixed daily ROI. Recruit more, get your recruits to recruit more and your daily ROI can increase to as much as $3000 a day (the same ROI cap Saivian offers).
This is not a sustainable business model and should US regulators investigate the company, it is highly likely Asirvia will be up for securities fraud.
Update 7th June 2017 – Asirvia has abandoned its initial product and compensation plan in favor of reselling Royaltie Bluetooth notification spam devices.
BehindMLM published an updated Asirvia review on June 5th.
And that already violates laws on referral marketing. You can’t require a purchase, then offer to discount the purchase based on referrals… at least in the US.
Where are these yahoos based out of any way?
No where in any of our information does it state or site a three and it’s free possibility.
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So point it out on the website. Or is this information so secret?
Where’s the publicly viewable comp plan?
False.
Quote from the review:
At least read the review, Kevin. #wrecked
Oz,
My name is Donald LaPlume, the President of Asirvia. I’m also one of the owner.
I would be honored to be written about on your blog along with my company. However, I am sure that you want your blog to be as accurate as possible.
There a great many inaccuracies here. I will list several for you in a moment.
Let me first offer for you to reach out to me, you have my email address, and I will not only get you all the information you need to correct the blog but we will be happy to introduce you to our corporate attorney who reviewed our entire business model. He is probably one of the most respected attorneys in the MLM arena.
When we decided to create Asirvia we set out to create a company that would truly serve our customer, our affiliates and our representatives. We are building a company that will provide a true opportunity for all who are looking and not put them in harms way. I am happy to prove this to you so please reach out to me.
Our compensation plan, which will be available on our site once we open for pre-launch this week, has been modeled by the best compensation consultant as well. Happy to introduce you to him for your research as well.
It was modeled for stability and tested down many hundreds of levels to see if it could be broken. They determined it was solid and could not be broken.
A stable compensation plan is critical to the long term survival of a company. When you get all the facts you will be more than satisfied with this.
I could continue with all that we did to set this company up properly to serve others not only today but long after we are gone from this Earth.
Our training system is built on the best video training platform we could find. Bar none. Some of the most successful Network Marketing companies use it along with many companies outside of the Network marketing space. So let me correct just a couple of the concerns I have with the information on this blog.
1st. There is no fee to join Asirvia. We open for our Pre-launch this week. When we do, you will see absolutely no fee required or even requested to join Asirvia.
The fee you referenced was a one time fee for our Founder’s Club, which is non-commissionable by the way, and allows people who intend to join the company to receive special perks for as long as they are with us.
It is not required to become part of the company. So, since there is no fee to join there can be no compensation for recruitment.
2nd. When people join us they join as a customer or an affiliate not as a representative. (You never mentioned representative but there is a key distinction).
Customers become customer just like at any on line store. They buy a product. It could be a single product or a bundle if this serves them better.
By the way, some of the product pricing you have is not accurate but you will find it correct next week on our Asirvia site. Also, if you compare the product pricing to an equivalent product sold retail you would either pay the same or more for almost every one of those products.
So the pricing and value are solid. Some of our products you will learn about next week are also exclusive to us. So obviously those would not have a current retail equivalent.
If someone wishes to be an affiliate they can, and their only requirement is to purchase access to our training and back office system. The cost is $25 per month and is Not commissionable. (again no pay to recruit)
These affiliates get paid only on direct sales. Not on a multi level structure. So they are selling product and generating customers. The only way for someone to become an Asirvia Representative is for them to start as an affiliate, sell a minimum of $1,000 in retail sales per month and have a MINIMUM of 3 retail customers.
At that time they will be invited to become representatives. We all know that many people join a network marketing company, be it because they like the products, they enjoy the people, or they want to make money.
However, few people who get into this industry actually make money. Our model allows people to be happy customers, if they decide to refer people they can do so and benefit without any pressure. when they have grown through the incubation phase that all people who make money in this industry invariable do, then they can earn the opportunity to become an Asirvia representative and build a business.
I might also add that, the $1,000 sales requirement to become a representative can not all come from that individual. In fact no more than $200 is allowed to come from them. So no one can buy their way in.
Oz, there were other inaccuracies that I would love to discuss with you. I truly meant it when I said that I and Asirvia would be honored to be written up in your blog we only ask that the article is fully researched and accurate. So I am now going to ask you for two things.
1st. Please do not compare us to any other company. When you understand truly what we are building you will know that we are building something incredible that will truly serve others.
2. Please reach out to me and let me provide you with the contacts and the information so that you can write the post you have been dying to write for soo long. The post about the company that will truly be a beacon for the Network Marketing Industry.
I await you email Oz and thank you for the opportunity to begin to tell the Asirvia Story!
Are you separating retail customer subscriptions from affiliate subscriptions?
Ie. does the monthly minimum $1000 GV count downline affiliate subscriptions? You’ve just said it’s a retail requirement but that up to $200 can be an affiliate’s own spend.
This suggests downline affiliate subscriptions will also count towards the $1000 GV.
Also do recruited affiliates with subscriptions count as retail customers?
Feel free to provide a copy of Asirvia’s compensation plan. Why is Asirvia soliciting $199.95 from people without a finalized comp plan?
This review is based on Asirvia corporate marketing material (comp plan) but I’m happy to revise if need be.
Be that as it may, if I as an Asirvia affiliate pay $x a month and collect a fixed advertised daily ROI – I’d be asking to see proof of SEC registration.
it looks like and smells like a product based pyramid scheme to me.
Anyone promoting it in any of my Facebook groups is banned immediately.
No second chance.
oh and Kevin Marino wasn’t he the prime mover in taking Vemma down?
Lawrence … I was in Vemma for a grand total of 5 months. I know BK well and would never have done anything to hurt him. In fact, I still buy the Vemma & Burn products to this day.
As for Asirvia … THERE IS NO MANDATORY AUTOSHIP … so that completely blows a “pyramid” out of the water. (Ozedit: Attempt to take discussion offsite removed)
I will tell you now … that Asirvia is NOT even in the gray area!
No it doesn’t.
Are affiliate subscriptions counted as retail sales or not?
Oz … Seriously … there is no 3 & free. We do have a bonus that will reward people who attain a certain level within 30 days where we pay for their next month … but that is a one time bonus. It is bases on them meeting certain minimums … at least 3 retails sales plus at least 3 affiliates and at least $1,000 in total sales.
NONE of which need to be from the person themselves. People are in no way force to buy a product. They don’t get a larger commission if they buy zero products, a singular product, or either of the value bundles.
Your #wrecked is cute … but your info … is inaccurate
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Couple things to be aware of …
Your reference to ROI is odd since we don’t require an investment. There is no reason for Asirvia to register with the SEC since there is NO investment being sold. People only earn by the sales of product.
One of the requirements to even become an IR is that they must maintain a minimum of 3 retail customers. Obviously, we will be encouraging and rewarding higher retail sales as that is one of our main focuses. If you compare the pricing of our premium services to those in the market currently you will see they are not inflated and the bundle pricing can reduce that even further!
There is a differential between Customers and Affiliates. Sales to Affiliates do NOT count as Retail Sales but they do count toward the $1,000 qualification.
Random jumping around … there is no such thing as a $199 fee …
I’d be happy to explain the comp plan to you as well. You seem to be having an issue with the Daily Base Pay … which is rank based by Group Sales Volume. There is no FIXED return … Whatever your Rank is that day then you are paid $xx on THAT DAY like a BASE PAY and other sales that are taking place will contribute to additional $$ earned that day.
You keep saying that the info is from our corp review but you have info listed that I can guarantee is not on our preliminary site and will also not be on our live Asirvia site when it goes live on Wed.
We will gladly give you access to any and all info.
So ~$1000 GV in affiliate recruitment subscriptions and 3x retail sales ($19 multiplied by three?).
And what, you really think company-wide retail subscription volume is going to beat affiliate subscription volume? Especially seeing as pretty much every affiliate is going to sign up for a package (wink wink, nudge nudge).
It’s a fixed return once a set threshold has been reached, which by and large can be met by downline affiliate subscription volume.
The subscription volume is a range at each fixed ROI level, which is not the same as getting a commission on actual sales.
I can generate $100,000 to $149,999 monthly GV and I still get paid the same fixed $150 daily ROI. I’m not paid on actual sales or that rate wouldn’t be fixed.
Do you see the difference?
They do if they’re sitting between $800 and $999 monthly GV.
Seeing as you’re stating what’s in the Asirvia corporate videos explaining compensation is incomplete/incorrect, I’ve marked the review “prelaunch”.
Feel free to provide compensation documentation when it’s available.
LMAO what is this industry coming to.
LMAO this is multiple choice network marketing pick a service and go! What a joke! The comp plan is atrocious!
Put all the redneck leadership put together and they couldn’t even get through the alphabet. February 1st will be a sad day in the network marketing industry.
Oz … Again ROI … by the very definition is Return on Investment.
There is no Investment therefore it is impossible for there to be a “return on Investment”
The Levels achieved for an IR are basically an equivalent to an override that many direct sales companies to for their supervisors. If their team does x they make y.
This is very similar where if the IR’s team maintains a sales volume of x they are paid y … if their sales team volume increases they get a raise. After all, they are responsible to nurture, train and motivate their teams and should be compensated for a job well done.
All commissions are paid for by the sale of products … there is no fee to join and the back office management and training system is non-commissionable.
Our goal is to be at least 66% retail volume to 33% affiliate/IR volume and I would be happy to give you our stats at the 6 month mark to see how close we are to our mark … and if we have fallen short what changes are being implemented to correct it. I don’t believe with the incentives on retail sales which we will be announcing shortly that we will miss our mark.
In fact … Once our B2B division kicks in the retail sale will probable be in the 80+% area. Again, I will gladly share the numbers and at the 6 month mark we will be begin publishing our income disclosure statements.
As our site comes live in a couple days please let me know if there is anything which is unclear.
Jimmy … person insults are completely unproductive. I’ve been in the industry for 26 years as a rep, trainer, master rep, consultant and now for the first time an owner.
My partners have been in the arena for many years as well as our advisory board members and our master reps.
This company was assembled with the Customer & Reps in mind. We put into Asirvia what we are reps would like to have seen in a company.
Customers having choices and not forced into buying only one thing … but instead being able to buy a product that appeals to them.
WE have a 30 day money back guarantee … and we will be paying very quickly … all things reps and customers want.
A sad day is when another ME TOO company comes along and offers zero options … I’ve been there … that isn’t what people want!
AS for the comp plan … maybe you should look at the entire plan with my assistance in explaining it to you. The math works and it works well for all levels of experience.
Looking forward to having a productive conversation.
There is if I’m paying up to $200 to qualify for a daily payout each month.
No it isn’t. An override is still paid out on actual sales, not a GV range corresponding to a fixed daily payout.
There’s a definite difference between an MLM compensation plan and a daily ROI securities offering.
Good to hear.
Anyone that follows Kevin Marino into yet another MLM Ripoff scam is a fool.
I’ve worked with him in previous MLMs and the man cannot keep his lies straight, and cares nothing for his fellow man. His altruistic comments above make me feel sick to my stomach.
Asirvia is just another chapter in his disgraceful money grabbing history. Donald LaPlume appears shady and fake in his video announcement too. Can’t even read the script properly.
He is obviously not ready for this presidential role and lacks the charisma and experience to launch and lead a global company. Just another Patsy at the helm – Like John Sheehan, the Saivian President that disappeared quietly into the night.
As for Don Smith? That man has led more people astray in the past 12 months than any other Network Marketer. And not one of them has taken responsibility or apologised for leading over 200,000 people into that Saivian mess! And now they launch their own company?
Guaranteed at least 80% of Asirvia services will not be available outside the US as well, as per usual. But these guys don’t care about that. They just want the $$. And they LURVE the international $$ because they can rip them off over and over again, and no US agency with step in to stop them.
It’s too soon after Saivian for anyone to follow these guys again. Aren’t you all tired of the BS and lies that follow these guys around? Kevin Marino only left Saivian 7 weeks ago, and already he is launching his own company? Come on!
Where is the research? Where is the opportunity to research properly? Where is the time to develop the necessary infrastructure? Not another company with no paycard! Where is the due diligence to get it right?
They obviously care nothing about solidifying their position and showing true stability. And they are obviously so egocentric to believe that their damaged reputations bear little on an affiliate’s decision whether to join them or not.
Setting up a new global company requires more than a battered ego, a ruined reputation and cobbling 11 disparate 3rd party services together with sticking plaster and calling it a company.
And where has all the money to finance this little venture come from? Obviously from the pockets of the Saivian affiliates they have previously burnt over and over and over again throughout 2016. The very people they held captured in place for months with their fake promises of paycards coming out next week, real marketing partners and costly promotions.
This entire Asirvia venture has been financed on the blood and tears of the affiliates they previously duped into the EJ Dalius’ Saivian Scam – the single largest global MLM scam ever created!!!
If you are reading this because you are considering joining this Asirvia, be sure you check these guys out. And if you have worked with them before, are you really that desperate to believe and put your trust in these guys AGAIN?????
Burned once, shame on them. Burned twice, shame on you! Burned thrice? Is anyone really that stupid?
So let me guess all the leaders that developed Asirvia were actively developing the company while they were secretly building and collecting a check from Saivian knowing damn well Saivian is not a legitimate business model… and now I see in some of their videos they’re preaching integrity.
It is a downright disgrace. The further people sway away from the truth which I just shared the more they’re going to hate the people that share it.
Well said History Always Repeats 🙂
A question to Donald Laplume and Kevin Marino: How is the product pricing cometitive?
Example tele health at $34/month which is $408 a year.
Similar services are offered at $170 a year or $49 per visit.
No real comment here, I am just enjoying following these fools as they develop another Ponzi…..which, unfortunately, will attract more innocent victims.
Kevin- You have Laura Hart working for you. She is a scam all in herself. Maybe you should check the background of your people. She was certainly is no cupcake queen…lol.
And for someone who is in the middle of a bankruptcy… She sure acts like she’s living high on the hog. She burned me, and my family, I have no respect for anyone who has anything to do with her.
Another joke of a company.
My question is still unaswered, a question i asked on feb 8.
So last night I was pitched with the Asirvia opportunity but the product is a small wireless device that can broadcast to any android enabled and not a services opportunity like mentioned here.
I thought initially it looked unique until I saw the owners and it made me cringe as I had so many friends who fell for the Saivian opp.
Any updates here? How did this new product come to be. Did they just find a new toy and decide to scrap the services because the pre launch was going poorly. The comp plan didn’t change, just the product.
And as an aside they are still promoting 3 and it’s free as part of the advertising pitch which I saw in 2 you tube videos.
Just looking for some insight.
The technology they are pitching is not new. Google i-beacon or eddystone technology or estimote. Plus there are other devices that have been on the market that can hit both IOS and Android.
Skeptical that something that only reaches Androids would even be worth buying into.
Ordered jne11th, met with execs on june24th. They told me shipped on 21st. As of 29th not recieved.
Just recieved notice order was shipped but tracking info shows nothing. Beware.
I feel sick to my stomach…. I just joined via credit card. Need to contact them to file a claim and get that money back.
Just a note to anyone who reads this site and believes some of the BS posted here.
Couple things to clear up.
First off … We’ve got nothing to do with Saivian and really tired of the comparisons. Our comp is very different and is not in any way based on an ROI model. Fix the review. All questions if you don’t comprehend or compensation.
Next … We are in pre-launch and have stated that. We acknowledged that we will make mistakes but we will fix them and we have … We now ship within 3 days of order and send via 1st class USPS with tracking.
Due to some delays, Asirvia has pushed back the renewal dates for ALL costumers and reps so nobody loses any time with their subscription or money.
We’ve honored ALL refund requests for ANY reason. Our goal is not to take a dime from anyone who isn’t happy or chooses not to work with us.
ANYONE stating they haven’t received a refund they asked for is lying … Period.
Furthermore, any customer, affiliate or independent rep with Asirvia isn’t restricted in ONLY working with our company. We don’t attempt to handcuff reps and stop them for working with other direct selling or networking companies.
In fact we actively encourage reps to continue with their current companies and simply utilize our GO product to build their current companies. To date we have people advertising 100s of different companies and are already registering slightly under 50% RETAIL customers. This will climb to 70+% before year’s end according to current projections.
Anyone wanting to know anything about Asirvia simply needs to ask us … We are the most transparent company I’ve ever been a part of.
After 26 years in the field this is my first stint as an owner of a network marketing company, but my partners and I have vowed to run the company with the utmost integrity and value.
Will we make mistakes … Of course … Will we learn from them and continue to do better? Definitely!
Asirvia is a different type of network marketing company!
Don’t be disingenuous Kevin. Asirvia’s original comp plan was the same daily ROI model Saivian used.
That you are an ex-Saivian affiliate is not a coincidence. There’s a link to BehindMLM’s updated Asirvia review, so not sure why you’re commenting on this one.
Err,
you don’t see the contradiction there ???
Oz … In accurate as usual … I’m former other companies too … How about North American Power? You choose to try and tie people to anything negative whether it was their fault or not. Ever think maybe there are reasons many people left Saivian?
Your ROI fantasy is just that. You might be able to get that to find a bit if ALL you have is rank based daily pay … But not when it’s a component of a far more robust plan.
You’re wrong here.
Littleroundman … Maybe you’re unfamiliar with the term pre-launch …
It’s like a beta test … You begin doing business with those getting involved knowing you have many system ready but they aren’t fully tested yet.
Companies begin selling, shipping, paying … Basically placing a load on the system to see where issues are .. then make adjustments.
Doesn’t have the daily ROI model you “borrowed” from Saivian. What’s your point?
Stop pretending Asirvia wasn’t initially launched with the intention of trying to make the daily ROI model more compliant.
As I understand it pyramid recruitment in China is/was the only reason Saivian remained afloat. Pyramid schemes + recruitment ROIs = compliance ruhroh in the US.
You can’t “robust” a daily ROI model that pays primarily on affiliate recruitment. That’s Ponzi fraud (pay a fee, get paid daily when you recruit others who pay a fee).
Asirvia’s initial attempt at cloning Saivian’s ROI model flopped (despite the pseudo-compliance retail offering). Own your failures and stop trying to bullshit people.
You are so dishonest it’s pathetic.
I didn’t design nor am I part of Saivian … I could have stayed and made a stupid amount of money there … But it wasn’t the right thing to do …
Do you credit people for that? No, you try and keep stories as negative as possible.
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Nobody said you designed Saivian’s compensation plan. Asirivia’s initial compensation plan however was very much the same daily ROI model.
Facts are facts. If you want PR spin try BusinessForHome.
And you shouldn’t need credit for choosing not to rip people off in a Ponzi scheme.
ProTip: Always do the right thing. If you expect praise and a reward for doing so, time to reevaluate your life choices.
You also need to learn what ROI means … Return on Investment.
Right?
There’s zero investment required for Asirvia … Customers don’t pay an affiliate fee … They are simply customers.
Affiliates can buy product but are not required to … They just go sell.
Independent Reps also not required to buy product but they have made at least 3 retail sales plus signed up at least 1 affiliate.
We have
Direct Sales Commission
Direct Residual Commission
Daily Base Pay (based on sales volume)
And a series of matching bonuses.
All with a huge focus on Retail Sales …
You’re wrong … I know you’ll never admit it but it would be nice to be honest with the folks.
If you’re talking about the original comp plan, then yes. But we both know retail customers were non-existent and pseudo-compliance.
Otherwise the original model wouldn’t have flopped.
Whether they were required to or not is irrelevant. The original modeled reviewed at the time of publication required either retail sales or recruited affiliates paying a fee.
*winkwinknudgenudge*
What you have now is irrelevant, you’re commenting on a review of Asirvia’s original business model and compensation plan. I’ve already stated BehindMLM has published an updated Asirvia review (linked in the original review above).
Not sure who’s ORIGINAL model you’re referring to … But how about focusing on Asirvia and stop comparing us to other companies that we obviously disagreed with!!!
Our compensation model is an original. Nobody has ever put this combination together. So please stop comparing us to what some other company did. We have ALWAYS had a multi faceted compensation model.
Asirvia’s original model. Y’know, the one you copied from Saivian when you left.
Mate please. All you did was take Saivian’s ROI model and try to make it compliance with subscriptions and retail.
And there’s nothing original about paying a fee and collecting a daily ROI when you recruit others who do the same.
Totally wrong … You’re stuck on wrong facts. It’s not relevant where I got that portion of the comp because I didn’t model it after them. I first saw it years ago with Wake Up Now which I was not part of but liked that part of the comp.
We never had a 2 leg option that expanded to 3 within a matrix … We’ve only had a uni-level model from the BEGINNING. People can have as many teams with Asirvia as they choose.
The other pieces of the comp DSC, DRC & Check Match are also part of the original rollout. They were NOT add-ons after the fact.
So, once and for all … Please stop comparing our compensation plans because they are NOT alike. And aren’t even structured similarly!!!
Many networking companies bonus people monthly based on their team’s sales volume.
Someone hits a new rank they get a bonus mid next month sometime.
I don’t care for that style. I believe people should get paid sooner on work they do.
We pay immediately on all sales and monthly on renewals
The daily or Base Pay which is predicated on your current rank … Where other companies make you wait 2-6 weeks to get you rank bonus … We break the amount down into 30 chunks and pay a piece each day.
If someone increases rank during the month … With Asirvia they only wait until tomorrow to get increase in their Base Pay. They don’t have to wait until next month.
It’s not based on recruiting … It’s completely based on sales volume.
You literally can be an IR … Have recruited only 1 IR … Have 100s or 1000s of costumers and receive all of our pay options including the Base Pay … Why? Because it’s all based on SALES of product.
Hope this clears up some of your misconceptions.
Maybe you should just send Oz a copy of your comp plan with your comments.
We are all affected by the our prior experiences. But one must also evaluated the lessons.
Wake Up Now sounds like an example not to follow though, given it’s outcome
K Chang … I agree with you. Which is why I didn’t copy them. There were many issues there that I wouldn’t copy.
I try to learn from my years in this biz … What is good … What helps people … What doesn’t.
Nobody is 100% right all the time … I’ve had some setbacks … But I learn from them.
Asirvia has a very different approach and I think if you watch us we will prove that you can do networking right 100% legally with no gray area.
A place where customers receive a great value and reps are paid well for properly representing and promoting our products.
IMHO … That should be the mission of all Network Marketing companies.
WakeUpNow didn’t pay a daily ROI.
I don’t know why you’re so hung up on denying Asirvia’s initial compensation plan was modeled on Saivian’s daily ROI model. Especially seeing as you’ve changed it since.
Mate be a big boy and just acknowledge you joined a Ponzi scheme, left, launched what you thought was a compliant version of the daily ROI model, realized it wasn’t going anywhere and relaunched again with bluetooth buttons.
That wasn’t so hard, was it?
The similarities between Asirvia’s initial model and that of Saivian are obvious. All you did was increase the ROI steps and add retail.
The subscription concept might have come from WakeUpNow but the comp plan was obviously inspired by Saivian. WakeUpNow was monthly.
Holy shit OZ … Dude you are the most dense person EVER!!
What do you not understand about the fact that we have NOT changed our comp plan?
Seriously .. I have my original notes .. we have our original everything … We changed the COLORS but not the comp plan!!!
Can you EVER … I mean EVER … Just admit you’re WRONG?
Seriously, I’m going to say it again with zero embellishment.
The comp we have now is the exact same comp we launched with … EXACT.
I’m unfortunately not allowed to discuss Saivian … Which is one of the reasons I asked you to remove the constant comparisons to the ROI … I can’t get into so much with you here although I really wish I could fully discuss … As you have many of those Saivian facts correct.
This review covers Asirvia’s original comp plan. The updated review covers the Asirvia comp plan as of June, 2017.
The differences are clearly observable. The payouts might be the same but what affiliates are doing to qualify for them is not.
The comp plan is the same … The payout is the same! … We were NEVER an ROI model and you just admitted it!
We have made it a bit easier for people to move from Affiliate to IR but that isn’t even a legal requirement. We could bring them in as IRs from day one if we so choose. The requirements for the IRs to receive pay has also NOT changed!
Bottom line … As I’ve been saying all along … The comp plan is the SAME with the same payout as the day we started!
Now maybe you can remove the misleading references to ROI and that other company. Thanks!
Asirvia 1.0 recycled newly invested affiliate funds to pay existing affiliates a daily ROI.
Asirvia 2.0 made retail mandatory, changing the compensation plan.
It’s not rocket science Kevin.
That’s complete BS OZ …
And you know it … If not then go back and read your original BS where you droned on about ROI when Don and I BOTH explained that there was a 3 retail customer requirement! FROM DAY ONE!!
We traded out services … We made a business decision that the service we could offer with the GO Devices would sell far faster than the original ones we started with and have far easier retail acceptance and possibilities!
I know you will never admit you’re WRONG no matter how many times I prove it so.
Now … Your choice here … Honest conversation because I’ve clearly shown I’ll answer any and all your questions … Or keep bashing us with snark, half truths and innuendo .
Our comp is the SAME!!
The 3 retail customer requirement is the same!!
There it is … Can we move past this now?
Wasn’t in the original comp plan I reviewed or I’d have included it. I have no problem with crediting companies for requiring retail sales, as is evidence in BehindMLM’s Asirvia 2.0 review.
But if it wasn’t there then it wasn’t there.
LaPlume admitted some of the pricing was incorrect, so I suspect the information in the comp plan was also obviously revised at some point.
That and recruited affiliate volume counted toward the $1000 minimum GV.
I never asked, but what were qualification criteria for pay to play founder affiliates?
The ultimate litmus test meanwhile was Asirvia 1.0 flopping. If retail was viable it wouldn’t have collapsed.
Hardly surprising seeing as you claimed to have modeled the service offering on WakeUpNow, which collapsed for the same reason.
Wrong again … But thanks for playing!
Nothing collapsed … We were approaching 1,000 reps and growing steadily … That’s why we grew so quickly with the new service! Our original services are still available.
So admittedly you don’t actually have our original plan to compare … Let me help you … IT’S THE SAME!!!
See, you like negativity … You like sinister and if you can’t find it openly you nitpick at little things to try and find it.
Pricing being incorrect … So what, you never saw a website programmer make an error? Pricing was incorrect and fixed … Hardly worth even a second thought … Unless you’re nitpicking anything you can try to nitpick at …
The Founders Club was not a product and was no commission on it. Was a club we offered the original folks who joined us … 100% optional like everything at Asirvia. Gives them great perks as long as they are part of the company. Such as … 10% off swag … Discount VIP … 2 for 1 on incentive trips … etc
It’s a great value!
MLM companies don’t reboot because they have a roaring retail trade.
Asirvia collapsed and you restarted it with a new product/service.
Not as per the documentation I based the Asirvia 1.0 review on.
We were officially open for 45 days when beacons were brought to us and we decided to run with the concept …
Almost 1,000 reps in 45 days is hardly a collapse.
As for your referencing your material which was incorrect from day one to back up your argument is nuts.
Your review was wrong originally and since you never correct your info … It’s still wrong.
One of these days maybe you’ll realize we’re totally on the level and just have a conversation without the constant accusations.
A collapse is a collapse. Asirivia’s original model obviously wasn’t working, otherwise you wouldn’t have dumped it.
And you keep mentioning “reps”, don’t suppose you’ll reveal how many retail customers of the subscriptions there were?
Bottom line is an MLM company with a roaring retail trade is a success. These companies evolve over time but with a solid retail revenue source don’t scrap their entire business model. Especially so soon after launch.
I take what a company writes as is at the time of publication. Every review on BehindMLM is date-stamped. You’ve conceded pricing data was wrong on your website, likely the comp plan was incomplete/incorrect too.
I gain nothing by intentionally providing inaccurate information in our reviews. And corrections (after publication) are in the comments for anyone to read.
I’ve already moved on with a second review of Asirvia. You can’t seem to let it go that part of Asirvia’s comp plan was inspired from a daily ROI Ponzi scheme.
You’ve stated you based the subscription service model on the WakeUpNow pyramid scheme. What’s the hangup with acknowledging Saivian’s daily ROI model was adopted?
And people who join Ponzi schemes like Saivian though don’t strike me as “totally on the level”. Yes you left but a 5 minute analysis of Saivian’s ROI model revealed it to be fraudulent.
Why did you join in the first place?
I know I know… you “can’t talk about it”. Well that just looks even more dodgy.