Speak Asia deferring questions to Ashok Bahirwani?
With most of the important court cases Speak Asia are involved in delayed until June or July and seemingly little development overall in the month of April, there hasn’t been all that much on Speak Asia to discuss.
Whilst some senior panelists continue to run around telling everyone to be patient, “trust the company” and in the face of court delays even downplay the heavy emphasis placed on the various cases Speak Asia are involved in, others are seemingly fed up and bringing their plight and stories to light.
One such senior panelist is Raghuyveer Bere, a self-described ‘Kohei’ panelist from Hyderabad.
After requesting a refund and getting nowhere, Bere penned a letter to Ashok Bahirwani explaining his situation:
support-defreezal of the bank accounts
raghuveer bere
9/30/11
to speakasian.ash.
sir gvng
i am raghuveer bere,from hyderabad (certified kohei). i had a telephonic conversation with u 2 days back and as per our discussion i am writing this mail to u.
I have transferred an amount of 3 lac rupees on 11 Apr to master franchisee account, for applying for a franchisee for hyderabad/warangal, but i couldnot send an application with some doubts while filling it and contacted mr calvin. and i was not happy with the response and not sent any application.
later mr. Charan has been appointed as R.M for andhra and i went to goa on his invitation to sort out the issue. I have made every possible effort to get the refund of the said amount and all this has happend before the freeze of master franchisee account.
Mr.Ashish dandekar has sent an sms that, my amount can only be refunded after defreeze of company account.
My bank account (Individua current account,Axis bank ltd,Warangal branch) was freezed on Aug 5,which contained an amount of 39000rs balance in it,by an order of D.C.P of APCID. But I have not received any notice for the same from police.
pls inform me the effort of others like me whose amounts have to be refunded and bank accounts have been freezed, pls guide me to do the necessary, thank u
Most notably, is the fact that Bere had requested a refund on April 11th 2011, long before the CID stepped in and started to freeze bank accounts (this started to happen in May 2011).
Despite this however, Ashish Dandekar (suspected of being the long-standing “unofficial” COO of Speak Asia) advised Bere that he was unable to get a refund due to bank accounts being frozen.
Two days later, Bahirwani replied.
Ashok Bahirwani speakasian.ashok@gmail.com
10/2/11
to me
Dear Mr. Raghuveer,
Can you please inform me if you are a panelist of Speakasia.
Jai Speakasia
Despite having talked on the phone, stated he was a “Kohei certified” panelist from Hyderabad, Bahirwani appeared to simply brush Bere off.
Despite six months passing since initially depositing his money though, Bere maintained his patience and replied:
raghuveer bere
10/2/11
to Ashok
sir gmng
yes i am a panelist,my mail contained that information “raghuveer certified kohei from hyderabad”
thank u
Despite this conversation occurring eight months ago, to date Bere has not received a reply.
Fed up and frustrated, Bere yesterday decided to go public with his plight on Facebook. In an open letter to Ashok Bahirwani, Bere wrote:
Dear Ashok ji
Namashkaar
I appreciate ur sincere effort in forming n lead role in aispa. I salute the spirit of Merwin castro, n specially the organised effort of Aman azad.
I was in ct with u over phone n mails before aispa is formed. I agree that u r one among those Indian citizens who live for others and feel social responsibility.
But sir i suspect ur relation with SAOL and its officials, Let me explain… why.
I am Raghuveer Bere , a panelist from HYDERABAD. I wrote quite a few mails and several calls to Singapore office , but miserably the response is utterly worst.
When i called n insisted them to give a reply to my mails, the person who attends my call frequently said that some from saol will call n answer, and last wk one of the RM called me N said sir pls be in touch with Mr.Ashok bahirwani, and all ur queries will be cleared if u follow the updates of aispa.
Sir i have not joined aispa, but i follow all the updates.(i am sorry that i cannot provide any evidence of that conversation).
Dear elderly friend, i know that We should not wash our dirty linen in public, thats why i kept quiet for a long time, but now the time has come show the dirty picture SAOL.
Its very evident by recent acts of SAOL that, it has encashed the emotions of lakhs fellow indians by using the loopholes in Law and adminstration.
The issue of withholding refunds aside, most eye-opening is the claim that a regional manager of Speak Asia directed Raghuyveer Bere to contact Ashok Bahirwani, secretary of AISPA.
To put things into context, the original email conversation I’ve quoted in this article occurred after unsuccessful attempts by Bere to resolve his situation through Speak Asia itself.
Upon contacting Speak Asia via the advertised official email communication channels and telephone numbers, Bere was told that someone from Speak Asia itself would call him back.
This did happen, but rather than work with him to resolve his issues Bere was instead directed Bere to contact Ashok Bahirwani to “clear” all of his queries.
Naturally with AISPA claiming to have nothing to do with Speak Asia’s management and Bahirwani claiming to have no association with company management himself, the pertinent question is on what authority are Speak Asia’s management deferring queries to Bahirwani and more importantly, why.
Upon receiving no reply to the above query, published on the 26th April, Bere then went on to publish another open letter to Bahirwani, published on the same date –
Dear Ashok ji
I hope ur seniority in age and experience will agree,that the people or the co whose intentions are good n true will not suppress the facts,they disclose all relevant information volunatarily, even before it was asked by others or a controversy is raised.
Sir through you i want to ask a few questions……..
We all need not to be lawyers or law makers to ask questions, but as a customer who has paid money to buy the product will have a right n responsibility to ask the relevant question. and the seller is bound to answer
Our entry into SAOL is through the purchase of 52 issues of Surveytoday, which is an e-zine, a periodical which will be delivered weekly to registered mail id.
Who is the publisher of this Surveytoday, its a simple fact that any newspaper or a magazine will contain the details of the publisher like who has published it and from where it is published.
All the time the info on our website diclosed that Harenventures p ltd is the global distributor and Kirtanji allied is the master ditributor in India.
And in recent updates on Speakasiaonlinemarketing.blogspot.com “As for Seven Rings International, they were the publisher of the E-Zine magazine which was distributed by HVP.”
why this information was disclosed earlier openly in the co website?
If this information was there on website probably some of us may not have purchased the subscription keeping sevenrings international in mind
Why a detailed invoice was not raised n sent to customers?
And today ,when we have not recieved all 52 issues of surveystoday ,why cant we claim our right as a consumer to get back the money for rest of the issues which are not delivered,regularly from Harenventures p ltd?
what is the contact no of HVP?
Why the master ditributors have not gone to court when their business was effected and was legal?( if they have approached pls give me the details)
why HVP is mum n not moving like a python who just ate a buffalo?
HVP has not introduced SAOL to us,Its SAOL which has introduced HVP to us.
people who buy the subscription of Surveytoday ,get an opportunity freely to enter in to speakasiaonline.com n participate in its activities,where no promise of income is made.
This may be legally correct. but it is like paying money to buy a remote control to get a tv free with that(remote control is useless without tv, but a tv can be viewed with out a remote.) ridiculous.
Its the need of us but for some of us a big greed which made us fools n fell for SAOL
sir u have not replied ,there on hope now u might have understood why i have not joined AISPA.
Sir pls tell me ur relation with our co, becoz the company has asked a panelist to get answers to the questions asked to co, which a RM donot have, which co couldnt reply by text, from a another panelist who joined late in February.
Sir may i ask u, why one shouldnt doubt the intention of the company, when they asked people to communicate with co on corcom@speakasiamarketing.com, later on india.south@speakasiamarketing.com, and they do not respond from more than a month, inspite of making telephone calls regulary to get a reply?
Regarding the issue of Seven Rings being credited as the publisher of the e-Zine whereas previously this was credited to Kirtanji Allied, I suppose when you’re running so many front companies and constantly chopping and changing your story to fit whatever legal explanation you’ve come with to justify your Ponzi scheme, sooner or later you’re intrinsically bound to create inconsistencies.
Inconsistencies that refreshingly at least one senior panelist hasn’t conveniently chosen to ignore in the face of ongoing empty promises of refunds and business restarts.
Increasingly it has become hard to ignore the obvious relationship between AISPA and Speak Asia. In addition to Speak Asia’s management deffering queries to Ashok Bahirwani,
- the fact that AISPA are using the same law firm that has represented several of Speak Asia India CEO Manoj Kumar’s companies in the past
- The “official” company blog uses doctored templates to publish updates on and increasingly has coincided with updates from AISPA
- AISPA itself has lodged a court case in the Mumbai High Court to quash criminal investigations into Speak Asia
- AISPA secretary Ashok Bahirwani has been interrogated multiple times by the EOW on suspicion over the extent of undisclosed involvement in Speak Asia (the details of the interrogations thus far have not been made public, although were heading towards an arrest of Bahirwani for ‘deliberately avoided the investigation agency with intention to suppress the relevant facts’ with the EOW currently seeking clarification from the Supreme Court over this course of action)
- AISPA paid off FIR complainant Navniit Kkhosla on behalf of Speak Asia and then claimed this was a joint effort by its members
- Bahirwani being named a ‘top official from Speak Asia’ by reporter Samarth Moray after being in communication with Bahirwani and AISPA’s lawyer, Ahmed Abdi
all point to AISPA unofficially acting as the defacto management of Speak Asia in India, offering a convenient front for Speak Asia’s management to hide behind whilst they seek to hamper investigations into the company and preventing scammed panelists from demanding their money back.
In an AISPA update dated 3rd March 2012, Bahirwani himself even stated that
AISPA will serve us (sic) an interface between the Panelists and the Company Management.
In the update Bahirwani is using the future tense but quite obviously this is already happening and has been for some time. Continuing to deny any involvement or relationship between Speak Asia and AISPA in light of all this information only seems increasingly implausible at this point. Dare I say it, even blatantly ridiculous.
As far as I know Bere still hasn’t been paid and nor has he been contacted by AISPA, Speak Asia or Ashok Bahirwani since going public with his story on the 26th April.
As I mentioned earlier, he tried to publish his story on a Facebook group frequented by Speak Asia’s panelists but it was promptly deleted.
Looking forward though I wouldn’t at all be surprised if Bahirwani (through AISPA) paid off Bere in an attempt to hush him up and settle the matter. Of course if that were to happen, like the Navniit Kkhosla payoff though, it’d naturally be unofficially not on Speak Asia’s behalf…
It is also worth noting that Anjuli, when previously questioned by me on several occasions on who had voted for the officers of AISPA, and where are the voting results and audit, have conveniently brushed off the answers as not available. Yet they continue to CLAIM to represent all panelists.
At best, they represent the panelists who tacitly accept AISPA (but certainly NOT Khoosla, nor the 115 including Solomon James and pty, and possibly large number of others)
At worst, they represent only a few dozen panelists who organized and elected themselves.
Which also brings up an interesting question… How can AISPA, which claims to represent ALL panelists, don’t know whether someone is a panelist or not? If they don’t, how can they represent “all” panelists?
Because Ashok Bahirwani said so. Duh, where have you been?
Following on though, when provided with panelists details – what are AISPA using to confirm membership?
What’s stopping Joe Random becoming a member and providing bogus sign up information? How are AISPA verifying their paid members are actually Speak Asia panelists?
I believe therein lies the reason the EOW are allegedly asking AISPA to provide Lahoti with a list of panelists.
@Oz — O RLY? Not “EOW has our servers”?
These guys are fraud masters & I think their strategy is to delay delay & ultimately make people forget their Invstmnts.
@Amit — nobody will forget. AISPA’s intent is probably to transfer blame to the government for the eventual loss, not the master scammers. Indeed, they have always maintained that “if EOW and Star News have not interfered, everybody would have gotten paid. (while SAOL change the rules so everybody have to buy cheap Chinese TVs, not get paid with $$$)”
Or to borrow another meme… “It’s a trap!” 😀 (for the AISPA)
I guess as speakasia can’t oppose the investigation against it they formed AISPA in the name of the panelists so they can stop the investigation.
May be EOW Mumbai have arrested 1 or 2 people who may be are panelists of speakasia but not all agencies have arrested the panelists. Also we can understand the stay on arrest of panelists but why all the investigation is stopped?
@Andy — While SpeakAsia can stop investigations on its own (a lot of “quash FIRs” was by SAOL themselves) it certainly LOOKS better if it’s done by AISPA.
Same with paying off Khoosla. SAOL could have paid him off. Heck, they put 50 crore with the courts. Why could they not pay Khoosla’s measly amount?
But SAOL can’t hold off the panelists chasing after them for money. Only AISPA can do that.
AFAIK only Khoosla’s FIR related investigation have stopped.
AISPA and SAOL would like you think it’s all investigations involving SAOL, but when have they ever told the whole truth?
@Chang
My name is Navniit Kkhosla and not Khoosla
My apologies for spelling your name wrong.
@K. Chang
I am sure it was accidental and not intentional. Wit best wishes
Oz
Now that u hv nailed Bahirwani’s association with SpeakAsia they hv not responded to these true claims mentioned here.
They have gone in hiding it seems after your post.
Sam
WRIT 3611/2011 Next date: 28.06.2012
Previous date: 03.05.2012
No court order was available, but the case is probably stayed.
Great News to all, Writ Petition 383/2011 date of hearing bring back & scheduled on 9th of May 2012. 🙂
Previously, if superstar news would not exposed for their TRPs then we before now get cash of our earned RPs. Either SAOL will sell Chinese TVs or Indians CDs in future, no matter everyone will buy or exchange with RPs except you guys.
But if everyone knew since the begining that they would have to rescue their RPs with products, not cash, most panelists WOULDN”T HAVE JOINED SAOL
Will you voluntarily accept a deal like that? People will have to invest more money than they earn?
Indians must be very found of “stuff”? I will prefer money rather than “stuff”, and when I buy “stuff” I will prefer to be able to choose between different brands and models.
There wouldn’t have been any problems with payments if Speak Asia had real clients paying for the surveys.
“If Star News wouldn’t have exposed” is a meaningless idea. Star News reported what they found. You can’t run a business hoping the media won’t discover the truth about it?
THAT’S IT
Not being members of Speak Asia, that makes no sense.
Oh and Speak Asia don’t have enough revenue to pay you… so it’s a moot point. Left to their recruitment devices member saturation would have killed Speak Asia off anyway.
All this selling tvs and crap nonsense, like it hasn’t been done before – please. Speak Asia made bucketloads of money being a ponzi/pyramid hybrid, it had nothing to do with selling electronic goods – that business model is entirely untested and you cannot guarantee future success of a new business model based on the previous success of a fraudulent business model.
Shopfox… they have deposited part of revenue at highest court & if require more funds court will ask further. You would not worry as you will not escort to pay / receive all.
Any type of sales organization has recruitment device & commissionable instrument, if they will bring advanced model then it will never defunct.
If you unable to prove either scheme carry Ponzi / Pyramid/ Fraudulent then your simply tone of voice will not sake entire universe of empowered consumer.
Let’s see what will happen next, if it was untested model then you can try to test & feel further whether it will guaranteed to success or not. If SpeakAsia re-start.
Speak Asia deposited 50cr and thought that would dissolve everything and let Manoj Kumar return to India.
Total cash owed on RP points across all panelists? 30,000 cr.
Lol!
Fail. Legit sales organizations do not operate as Ponzi/pyramid hybrid schemes, period.
Jesus Christ, where have you been? No survey clients and no recorded revenue other than membership fees.
100% scam.
Nobody in Speak Asia ever sold electronics, of course it’s untested. All money to date has been made via a pyramid/ponzi hyrbid business model.
Like I said, 100% scam.
@Shame Singh
The Serious Fraud Investigating Office (SFIO) has already stated that Speak Asia is a fraud being a pyramid company under the guise of an MLM and in its report of April 2012 to the Central Economic Intelligence Bureau (CEIB) in the Finance Ministry had recommended a central agency to regulate such companies.
However, with the Finance Minister, Pranab Mukerjee, a nominee for the post of the President of India being busy playing politics to get himself elected, has passed the buck back to the States to regulate the same under the the Prize Chits and Money Circulation Schemes (Banning) Act, 1978.
However, a relook is still in the offing at the central level for virtual companies having no registered office in India or the same having been denied to them due to doubtful credentials. Thereby the criminal case under this Act against this company stands in the AP High Court and the SC can do nothing about that criminal case.
What is happening in the SC has currently nothing to do with this Act being for payment of investments to 115 panelists, unless the SC lifts the corporate veil and demands payments of dues to all panelists or gives cognizance to the SFIO/CEIB report/findings. Next hearing of civil writ 383/2011 is still far off to July 2012.
Meanwhile the CEIB in the Finance Ministry is doing a rejig to organize the database of 11 governmental agencies on one platform to handle such fraud companies. http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/economy/govt-to-rejig-synchronise-economic-intelligence-agencies_536236.html
I think there is one question all panelist shud ask these supporters of SpeakAsia and Bahirwanis, will Bahirwani fight against SpeakAsia for the survey income that speakasia has to pay the panelist.
If AISPA is for benefit of panelist then Bahirwani shud guarantee panelist that he will fight n get the survey income of all panelist.
They wont give chinese products for free against RPs, it will be 80% cash and 20% RPs.
Bahirwani/AISPA will first of all try to protect Manoj Kumar’s interests. SpeakAsia isn’t the main interest here, the other companies are far more important.
* Seven Rings skimmed off 60 percent of the total revenue from Speak Asia from February 2011 (or earlier) to May 2011.
* 3 of Manoj Kumar’s other companies were involved in the operation, collecting money from regional managers and sending money to different accounts offshore.
Bahirwani tries to direct the attention away from these companies, by letting Speak Asia and AISPA fight in court. AISPA is using the same lawyer as Seven Rings and at lest 2 of Manoj Kumar’s other companies.
A member association should be independent, and AISPA is certainly not independent. The association is heavily connected to the owner/management of SpeakAsia, following orders from the management and trying to protect the management’s interests.
Supporters should probably check how able SpeakAsia will be to pay, and check the DETAILS. Blind faith in a company and a management isn’t a good idea when it comes to business.
So you are claiming it’s BECAUSE the news was revealed SAOL have to CHANGE their business model to pay you all with Cheap TVs instead of money?
Clearly, they must be liars in court presenting a business model that they claim had been their intent all along if you are correct!
Or you are sadly mistaken in your beliefs.
So, is a product has a market price of $800 i.e.,SAOL will simply charge $1000($800+200 RP), simply claiming that a simliar prioduct from a famous brand costs $1200.
Hey Brazilian,
In your country it happens? But in India no any company will sale products with exceeding Maximum Retails Price (MRP), because retailer, distributor & dealer have margin value within MRP tag.
If SpeakAsia will add or subtract 200$ or RP 200 in his products later on then it will be comes within MRP of that Product. And almost all brand are using Chinese manufacturing *spare*, in your language all product may be Chinese goods?.
So, you are unhappy buying Chinese goods through any brand of any company.
Rohit, i think you dont know difference between bad chinese products and products of branded vendors like Apple made in china.
Branded companies like Apple, Nokia have a high level of quality control, where as it is already known that SpeakAsia is buying products from Hi-Sense and are copy of exact Hi-Sense products and i would want you to find ratings of the products by Hi-Sense and quality control etc.
A B graded chinese company sells very cheap products to SpeakAsia and you expect us to believe that they will be like Samsung or Sony or Apple?, the same speakasia which fooled you that they will provide with German manufactured products?
The same SpeakAsia which fooled them in lots of other ways, too. It has probably become a bad habit or something for the people involved.
Most of SpeakAsia have been ILLUSIONS. The company is the brainchild of Manoj Kumar, and was managed from India. The company in Singapore was only an illusion, no major decisions seems to have been made there.
Manoj Kumar is an illusion of a successful business man. Most of his businesses have been supported by money from scams, the ones I have checked.
The surveys were illusions of real work. They were only needed to make the company look legal, but they didn’t have any functions other than that from a business perspective.
The Fundamental Rights claimed in court are mostly illusions of real Fundamental Rights. AISPA is an illusion of a member association. “Proud to be a Speakasian” is only an illusion of something to be proud about. Bahirwani is an illusion of a real leader …
… and the story goes on and on and on, and it will continue as long as people are willing to believe in illusions. It has probably become a bad habit for some of them.
I thought the case was Solomon James vs. SAOL. When it did it become Solomon James vs. Union of India?
Oooolalala! So Chang reading all the posts of Honorable Ashok Bahirwani and Anju/Anjali/etc has had the brainwash effect on you too?
Sameer,
I am not saying as Apple, Nokia, Sony Or YUG Brand have similar type of quality products. Of course they are manufacturing high quality product & durable & selling in a best price than others. But each & every branded company are using *spares* which are manufactured at china.
As far as SpeakAsia’s YUG brand concern, they weren’t revealing as they had copied Hi-sense products (as you say ‘cheap products’).
Whatsoever, either they would sale Chinese or German or Indian manufacturing goods in future. All panelist will happily buy or exchange with points which they have earned earlier.
In my opinion, most of Panelist of SpeakAsia will not go for best quality products or costly products in future, if SpeakAsia start selling YUG brand in India. Because it’s depends upon theirs mentality, their income level, their requirements.
Everyone wants to get new things daily but their demand is much higher than the quality. For completing their daily demand they can compromise with quality because if they can give preference to the quality they cannot make their demand complete.
Also rich people can only afford the higher quality not the poor (i.e. middle class or below poverty line) one and most the Panelist are from middle class. They will think about how much quantity they required based on that they will choose the best quality within their income level.
I would say it is not about less or more quality consciousness it is just about the purchasing power of an individual. A poor man will buy thing according to his need he is just keen to satisfy his hunger or need because he don’t have so much of money.
So that he can buy a best quality product his core objective is to fulfil his basic requirement like-Roti Kapda and Makan where as if we talk about the rich people they definitely look for the best because they have so much amount of money to spend on buying higher quality products. So the differences exist between individual.
Most of the people are live below the poverty line and fulfil their basic needs very hardly. And some people are very rich they purchase everything luxuries which they liked. But all the class of the people who live in what situation are try to get best quality for which he is able to pay whether he is poor or rich. Both are very conscious about the quality of things but within their limits.
Well, as far as my opinion says, a best quality product comes with money. Most of the people come under middle class. If poor people go with best quality product they cannot feed themselves. Because high-quality products leads to more money. These people are quantity conscious not quality conscious people try to buy more things with fewer prices they don’t bother about best quality. While coming to rich they are greedy for higher quality.
For example rich people travel in planes, ac compartments in trains where as poor people cannot afford to rich style in terms best quality products. Poor people travel in share autos where as rich hire fare auto this is the simple difference.
Poor people go to tea stalls, small hotels; where as rich people go to coffee days, Taj hotels etc.
You mean it has effect on the Supreme Court of India, right?
I thought the reality inversion field is only limited to India. 🙂
It didn’t look like that when they bought panels and subscriptions? People paid far more than the panels were worth as products, and many of them bought far more panels than they really could afford. I can’t exactly see the requirements, either?
When it comes to gasoline, people will always prefer the cheapest price, because they consider the quality to be equal no matter where they buy it or which “brand” they’re buying.
When it comes to most other products, people will have “mentality” or “preferences” for what they want and what they consider to be important for themselves.
One of these “preferences” is other people. People are usually very concerned about what other people think about them, and they have a need to feel “respected” that is far more important than the need for having products.
It means people are more than willing to buy a more expensive car than they really NEED, a more expensive cellphone or a more expensive digital camera, since all of these items are something they will use in public situations.
For other products or expenses you can have “traditions”, and they can be far more important than the price. As an example, the wedding traditions in India requires 22K “Crown Gold” as a standard, and the mother of the bride will rather sell some of her own jewelry than go for a lower quality and price.
This was just a couple of examples. Lots of electronics will follow similar rules. You don’t seem very experienced when it comes to identifying “needs”? Most people won’t be happy if the products are unable to meet needs like those I mentioned. Most people won’t be happy being forced to buy products, either.
Tes, but if an inferior quality product has the same price of a better one(or the difference of price is very small), what’s the advattage on buying it?
That’s where precision Mass Marketing would come handy. The individual preferences for the features and quality and the price would already be confirmed through a survey and then only the product goes for production . This is how the whole process would work as far as I can understand from the various presentations I have received from the company.
There will no ifs and buts on quality and quantity once the survey results are analysed and utilised for the ultimate output. Till then keep on playing the assumptions game…
Bye for now.
Surveys are not a purchase contract. ‘Blahblah here’s my survey now give me my money’ is pretty much how it goes – so if nobody buys the manufactured products, who bears the loss?
And nobody was doing the fake surveys prior with any intention to purchase anything. They were doing so to earn a ROI on their initial membership fee.
Too many gaping holes here and not enough common sense.
Is there any relation between “Precision Mass Marketing”(expression used by SAOL) and “participative matrix marketing”(expression used by AdMatrix and Colibri)?
“precision” does not go with “mass”. That’s an oxymoron. That’s like saying I have an “accurate shotgun”.
It also proves that SpeakAsia was never about surveys, despite its name. It was marketed as “a way for Asians to speak to the corporations”. Except now SpeakAsia claims to also BE the corporations (by marketing their own TVs instead of doing it for the TV makers).
That is a fundamental shift in business model, and indeed this shift was NEVER SHOWN TO THE PUBLIC until the Manoj Kumar press conference and Supreme Court testimony.
Not only that, it also fundamentally changes the benefits to the panelists. Panelists were expected to be PAID for their opinions. Instead, you are now telling them that instead of getting PAID, they would get a TV that’s MORE attuned to their needs (maybe at a discount, maybe not). That is called a “bait-and-switch”, and that is fraud.
It is as if you are merely regurgitating their marketing material instead of actually understanding it.
That’s the point. SAOL claims that they discovered a revolutionary way to be precise and massive at the same time
Then they’re in the wrong business. 😀 They should be teaching marketing, not selling cheap TV’s and cloned phones.
Google “precision Mass Marketing” and you’ll see Speakasians trying to explain what it is
@Brazilian — and they are ALL explaining it wrong, because none of that is the “official” explanation from SpeakAsia. Any one got the OFFICIAL explanation, the one presented in court by their lawyers?
Where-o-where could Navniit Kkhosla be? Not responding to emails and his mobile remains switched off. Could be now he is on his way to Delhi as IA for the SC hearing on writ 383/2011 tomorrow.
I hope he will bring forth some news as to what Retd Justice Lahoti had stated in his mediation report and as to if EoW, Mumbai has put forth any report too. I also wonder whether the Central Economic Intelligence Bureau or/and Serious Fraud Investigating Office under the Central Ministry of Finance are up to and whether they too are made as respondents.
The SFIO had declared Speak Asia Online as a ponzi scheme in the disguise of MLM.
Something’s up.
It’s hilarious to watch AISPA and friends run around shouting at panelists to ignore all court cases and instead ‘focus on a business restart’ when they’ve been professing the importance and “implicit trust in the Indian judiciary” for nearly a year now.
Yeah guys, use your jedi mind powers and it shall be. No worries.
Meanwhile AISPA are going to hand in some petition to the Union of India with a bunch of demands after this blood drive distraction. Sounds to me like the writing is on the wall regarding court cases and this is now one last ditch attempt to legalise ponzi schemes in India. Like their other efforts though ultimately it too will go nowhere.
Guess we’ll have to wait and see what happens tommorow in the SC and Mumbai court (the Raigad/Thane FIR quashing cases are due back in court too).
WRIT 383/2011 is not officially listed in May yet, the date for next hearing is still listed to 13.07.2012.
But the last court order says:
“Wednesday” might as well be another Wednesday, like “List on a Wednesday between May and December”. 🙂
Yeah you’re right. Be kinda funny if it wasn’t heard tommorow.
‘it’s ok guys, we’re not focusing on the court cases… now it’s all about giving blood – and after that… hey look a pretty butterfly!
Jai SpeakAsia!’
CWP 383/11 is listed in the supplementary list at no. 41 in Court no. 12 in the Supreme Court cause list for 09.09.2012
@Navniit Kkhosla
Good to hear from you. I hope u will be representing us sucker panelists at the SC hearing for true news.
As for Honorable Bahirwani & Co he has spread out representatives all over India to suck the last drop of blood from already suckered dry panelists who will then be requested to participate in rejuvenating brainwashing via Speakasia Consumer Protection Movement”.
Why does he not resort to The Consumer Protection Act for being prevented from his fundamental right of living/employment even if it in disguise means committing fraud.
I hope “09.09.2012” was a typo!
Sorry!
That should read CWP 383/11 is listed in the supplementary list at no. 41 in Court no. 12 in the Supreme Court cause list for 09.05.2012.
I am in Delhi since 07.05.2012 and my Intervention Application no. 9 is listed for hearing and I am mentioned as APPLICANT IN PERSON.
ON 07.05.2012 I HAVE ALSO FILED AN AN INTERVENTION APPLICATION FOR ANOTHER INVESTOR AS HIS POWER OF ATTORNEY!
ON 08.05.2012 THE SECOND INTERVENTION APPLICATION HAS BEEN ACCEPTED BY THE REGISTRY OF TH SUPREME COURT AFTER SCRUTINY!
I HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT BOTH THE INTERVENTION APPLICATIONS WILL BE HEARD on 09.05.2012!
This process can be replicated by other investors!
My main point is Speak Asia has never sold any products as claimed by them and I, like the other investors joined for income from filling surveys. Speak Asia does not have a sales tax and VAT registration as is required after sale of Rs. 8,00,000/-. So it is a false claim that it was selling products via the MLM route!
Despite lots of claims and arguments in Courts as well as outside no client names have been put forth by Speak Asia till today after the exposure by the media on 11.05.2011!
So it is proved that it was a money rolling scheme between 17.02.2010 and 11.05.2011!
Q.E.D.
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Sounds good to me, best of luck and let us know how it goes!
Best wishes. It is too sad that most Indians forgot this saying:
Hathi ke dant dekhane ke aur khane ke aur
Translation: Elephant has two set of teeth-one to show off and the other to chew with
i.e. what you see may not be what you get
May you show other Indians the truth!
We are too waiting your update Naviniit along with 383 judgment’s order.
Today’s writ-383 update is coming like senior counsel for EOW was not present, CBDT told to file details of liability tomorrow & matter listed again on tomorrow i.e: 10/05/2012.
Lets Naviniit too confirm this news, if he was present at hon’ble court.
@ Oz
“I hope “09.09.2012″ was a typo!”
They have made a change at http://courtnic.nic.in/supremecourt/casestatus_new/caseno_new_alt.asp
Case Details
Writ Petition (Civil) 383 / 2011
STATUS PENDING
Petitioner SOLOMON JEMES & ORS.
Vs.
Respondent UNION OF INDIA & ORS.
Advocate(Petitioner) MS. K.V.BHARATHI UPADHYAYA
Advocate(Respondent) MR. VIKAS MEHTA
Appealed Against High Court Details – Not Available
Matter is Connected To Connected Details – Not Available
Subject Matter MERCANTILE LAWS, COMMERCIAL TRANSACTIONS INCLUDING BANKING –
OTHERS
Listing Details Next Date of Listing – 09/05/2012
I do not know how far this is true but some pro-speakasiaonline blogs have posted that as the Senior Counsel for EoW was not present and CBDT has not yet filed tax liability details of Speak Asia, the case is listed again tomorrow, May 10, 2012.
Anjali already tried to spam the thread with commentary suggesting the EOW were there so not sure what’s going on.
Kinda figuring the Raigad/Thane quashing cases didn’t go well otherwise the usual suspects would be shouting from the roof tops by now. Guess we’ll have to wait till tomorrow for the details of the Mumbai case (and to see what’s going on in the SC case).
If the EOW didn’t show up to the SC, maybe it’s because they figured attending the HC case on the same day was more worthy of their time. Y’know… actually being related to criminal matters and such.
AFTER NOTICE MATTER (IN-PERSON)
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40.W.P(C)No.383/2011 SOLOMON JEMES & ORS. MS. K.V.BHARATHI UPADHYAYA
X A/N-I Vs. UNION OF INDIA & ORS. MR. VIKAS MEHTA
112, 122, 0 S.(2808)(07/09/2011) (WITH APPLN.(S) MR. VIVEK SINGH
IMPLEADMENT AND STAY AND MR. AMIT ANAND TIWARI
DIRECTIONS AND INTERVENTION MR. JITENDRA MOHAN SHARMA
AND PERMISSION TO FILE MS. ASHA GOPALAN NAIR
REJOINDER AFFIDAVIT) MRS ANIL KATIYAR
MR. H.S. PARIHAR
APPLICANT IN PERSON
I’m hearing the 8th of August is the next date set for a hearing (lol).
Won’t know for sure till the order is up.
Aman Azad is posting on facebook to forget the court cases and concentrate on the big date of 12 May protest.
Many are pussed off due to Aug date given by SC and they will not participate in 12 may protest.
Wait for the order! It may surprise everyone!
Let’s see Mr Kkhosla !
what surprise you have brought through hon’ble court.!
I haven’t read the order, but the updates here surprised me a little. I wasn’t expecting any particular outcome this time, but I expected a new date to be set within 2 or 3 weeks. Next date 08.08.2012 is what’s currently listed.
I have basically ignored all the positive messages from Speakasians since 23rd February. They are ALWAYS excpecting something wonderful to happen next time in court, and usually the only “wonderful” that happens is a new date for the next hearing.
The order from 09.05.2012 can indicate a stay?
And I’ll guess a stay in this case will allow the criminal investigation to continue, next time the other cases comes up for hearing in court (or even before that)?
Order has been updated
SOLOMON JEMES & ORS. Petitioner(s)
VERSUS
UNION OF INDIA & ORS. Respondent(s)
(With appln(s) for impleadment and stay and directions and
intervention and permission to file rejoinder affidavit.)
Navniit Kkhoslas name is mentioned in the court order.
n I.A.9 Mr. Navniit Kkhosla
Intervenor in person
Hello Navniit Sir,
Can you throw light on what happened in hearing today cause it seems the hearing got over very fast.
Was anyone from EOW or GOI and other departments present.
@Sameer
The order is still the one from 09.05.2012 – “List this case on 10.05.2012”. I checked it NOW.
The correct order will probably be available tomorrow.
I’ll put my 50 cents on a STAY-order for Writ 383/2011, if the date 08.08.2012 is correct.
Hi Norway its already posted
here is the link
http://courtnic.nic.in/supremecourt/temp/wc%2038311p.txt
And here is bad news for Anjali, Bahirwani‘s and those spreading positive news, this is SC order of today.
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We make it clear that pendency of this matter either before the Mediator or before this Court will not hamper with the investigation
The order from 09.05.2012 still pops up, even with the direct link.
It starts to be understandable why Aman Azad stated “the court cases is not important, focus on 12th May, and flowers and butterflies” or something similar.
And this is the order from the highest court, so it has a higher priority than any order made in the lower courts, for WRIT 3611, WRIT 3210, SLP 10782/2011 and all the other court cases were WRIT 383 have interfered.
Need oz to post a real update cause already fake positives are being spread.
Without mentioning to panelist that Supreme Court will not intefere in investigation even though mediation of exit panelist will happen but even after 8 August investigations will continue.
Sanjeev Khanna and others on facebook page are making others believe that 8 Aug is final for disposal which is true for mediation final but the EOW and other investigations will continue and SpeakAsia bosses will remain in hiding.
Oz pls post updated article and what remaining panelist shud do.
Sammer,
How could you change the phase of case? it has clearly written at site as FINAL DISPOSAL. 🙁
The SUPREME COURT OF INDIA have stated very clearly that
So paying Kkhosla off doesn’t stop the investigation at all. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
Any sort of “final disposition” would be for this case only [Writ 383]. As SC had spoken, “will not hamper with investigation” (of other stuff).
SAOLers are welcome to their “Matrix reality”. Just don’t act surprised when they’re flushed out of their tanks.
It means that all the bullshit repeated 1 biilion times by AISPA/SAOL in the last two months was officially dismissed by the Indian Supreme Court
Hey friends
I posted this update on a group page of Facebook which is used by (NOT PROUD) SpeakAsian and suddenly one proud speakasian replied that i am partly right that final judgement will happen on 8th August and i am wrong because SpeakAsia can restart soon.
He even posted that SpeakAsia is planning a restart and Aispa has organized the 12 to 15 may protest week so that speakasia should be allowed to restart and cases can also continue side by side.
I have posted him with EOW & CID enquiry going on and SpeakAsia bosses in hiding and on the run, who is going to restart SpeakAsia?
Assumption of positive outcome is a common SAOLer characteristic. It must be infectious from Bahirwani on down.
There is the old joke… don’t “assume”. It makes an “ass” out of U and ME.
Like we usually say in Brazil, they will try to restart the company “by shouting”
“..Pendency of this matter..”
Which matter? Do you read the above line?
The matter is not Writ 383, it’s the matter given above..(see below)
CBDT’s “Mr. Shekhar Naphade, Sr. Counsel submits that he will place the records (made available with the Mediator) before this Court in a sealed cover for our perusal”.
Have you noticed?
“Issue Notice” (that means Notice Issued),
EOW’s Adv.“Ms. Asha Gopal Nair, accepts notice”.
“Learned counsel for the respondent sought time to file his response to this application (/ Notice).
Time is granted.
List all the applications (might be more than one application) along with the main matter (Reply to the Notice / Main Application among few – more than two or three or more) on 8th August, 2012 for FINAL DISPOSAL”.
Now, more chances are there for EOW to get green signal for continuing the Investigation which has been stayed in High Court but until what time?
It’s only up-to 8th Of August, since they have to submit reply to all the applications and also to the Notice.
Now, we can sum up as: It’s sure that EOW’s investigation will be in the worst form (worse than before, we have seen only few arrests but at that time they can arrest many) once they get permission from the High Court.
I think the new age “gurus” call that “affirmation”, which is related to “law of attraction”. Just repeat the stuff until you are convinced it’s true, and it will be true (to you, at least).
They have been planning restarts since August 2011, so we’re quite familiar with it.
With a completely new business model, they could as well have started a new company with a different name, just to make the snowball start rolling. But then the plans would have failed completely if the new business model had collapsed, so it’s much safer if they don’t start it. Having a case in court is much safer. 🙂
The operative part of the order of the Hon’ble Supreme Court of India in CWP 383/11 dated 10.05.2012 will indeed surprise most people! I had posted this before going to Court for the hearing.
Despite my intervention application not being admitted as yet the Court clarified on my submission that the investigation should not be effected by the proceedings in CWP 383/2011 as well as the mediation proceedings.
Surprisingly simple!
Now investors will get their investments back quickly if they make the effort! And it still needs to be worked on with perseverence.
Here’s the order from the Supreme Court dated 10.05.2012:
I will need some time to interpret it. 🙂
Your assertion will value as they will get back their investment quickly?
Neither your effort will modify the next judgment date nor does other’s, it’s all depends upon hon’ble Supreme Court next proceeding.
So, it is not necessary to fit artificial wheel into others feet. After all, after 8th August only we acquire the judgment for payout distribution.
Now, we have to make time pass during three months space & hang around for next judgment of Supreme Court.
Okay, what is “I.A.”? It seems to be “Action”, like a “court order”, but I can’t find the proper definition.
@Kasey
Intervention application, unless you’re talking about something else?
I would say “from July 2011”
I think the main problem is that speakasia, AISPA and panelists don’t know the meaning of “soon”, “early”, “near future”, “win”, etc.