Speak Asia Court Case Roundup – Mon 12th Dec 2011
Today was a big day for Speak Asia related matters in court. With 5 separate cases to be heard across two courts, and winter holidays just around the corner it was hoped that today’s hearings would present some clarification on recent legal events surrounding the company.
We’re still waiting on updates on the two Supreme Court hearings, but thus far the results have come in for the Mumbai High Court hearings today.
AISPA President Melvin Crasto’s bail application
Having applied for bail since last Wednesday and with the EOW and Crasto’s lawyer(s) putting forth the arguments for and against bail, the court denied Crasto’s bail application and once again remanded him into custody.
At this stage I’m still not sure what the EOW have on him but obviously it’s serious enough that the courts feel releasing Crasto on bail is risky.
Update 14th December, 2011 – I received this update via email;
Police say Crasto has received 23 lakh ($43,217 USD) in his Bank account directly from Speak Asia
Police say Crasto is like a promoter of Speak Asia as he is one of the first panelists and certainly knew that there were no customers for the surveys.
This hasn’t been confirmed from another source yet but does seem damning enough for the EOW to get custody of Crasto for three weeks and the court to deny him bail.
All signs currently point to the EOW getting closer and closer to what’s left of the Indian management side of things. /end update
Speak Asia’s writs 3210 & 3211
Speak Asia had filed two writs, one seeking quash FIR’s lodged against it in the Raigad (writ 3210) and Thane (writ 3211) Districts.
Both cases were not heard today and once again were adjourned without a hearing until the 5th January, 2012.
Solomon James writ 383 in Supreme Court (Lahoti Committee)
Don’t have any specifics on the Lahoti hearing, but apparently once again the EOW et al didn’t show (not confirmed).
No surprises there seeing as the James writ is civil and they’re busy investigating and dealing with the criminal matters involving Speak Asia.
Update 16th December, 2011 – The court order for the 12th December hearing is up and is showing the following advocates for the respondents;
Ms. Jyoth Singh,Adv.
Mr. Vikas Mehta,Adv.
Ms. Aditi Bhat,Adv.
Mr. Vivek Singh,Adv.
Although the document doesn’t state who they are representing (the EOW or someone else?).
Regarding the order, this hearing was heard in chambers and it appears the judge has ordered it to be listed again for hearing in an actual court session;
List the application along with the main matter.
This chambers session was to hear an application for impleadment and ‘office report (from Lahoti?)… and if I didn’t know any better I’d say the party wishing to implead themselves (AISPA?) tried to weasel in through a chambers hearing. A judge seems to have knocked this back and ordered a proper court hearing for the impleadment application to be be heard instead.
It is curious that the main matter (the James writ petition itself) is listed for hearing on the same date. This would indicate the Lahoti Committee has run its course but there’s been no confirmation of this either way as of yet. /end update
Update 3rd January, 2011 – The mediation process is confirmed completed and Lahoti has handed in his mediation report according to the latest update from the Supreme Court.
In accordance with the last order stating that the Solomon James writ 383 be listed for hearing once this happens, the Supreme Court has listed the next hearing for next Monday, the 9th January 2012. /end update
Speak Asia vs CID Supreme Court Case
Regarding the Speak Asia vs CID case, from the looks of it it’s in shambles.
The CID didn’t even rock up, and that’s not because they were deliberately a no show, it’s because there’s a huge question mark over whether they were even served notice or not.
When Speak Asia’s lawyer was asked about whether or not the CID were even served notice to attend, he said
he is proxy counsel and he was simply informed that process fee is paid and therefore, he is unable to help the judicial process to see that how respondents can be served at the earliest, when it was inquired that who are unserved respondents and how to serve them at the earliest.
The use of the word ‘proxy counsel’ is interesting as it gives the lawyer no authorisation to act on Speak Asia’s behalf in legal matters. All a proxy lawyer can do is vote on matters (why do you need to vote in a court room?).
Apparently Speak Asia couldn’t afford a proper legal team for this case and just sent in the proxies… who subsequently were of no help when the judge asked why the CID had not been served notice to attend.
From the looks of it someone was served at the hearing itself, but Speak Asia needs to verify if this person ‘is an officer of the state or not‘.
Unfortunately due to only having proxy lawyers in court, Speak Asia’s present lawyers were ‘unable to help the judicial process‘.
So as it stands the serving of the CID may or may not be legitimate. Speak Asia will have to clarify this before the next hearing date.
Meanwhile the judge ridiculed Speak Asia over the serving of notice to respondent number two, identified as a ‘ private party and probably the original complainant‘ (original complainant = FIR, so we’re talking possibly Kkhosla I think?).
Given that this matter is currently being investigated by the CID, the judge reasoned that
it would be easy for the petitioner to confirm service upon unserved respondent No.2 at least through the Trial Court or through the Investigating Agency, where some proceedings are pending.
Speak Asia of course in their wisdom and despite hiring ‘the best lawyers in India’, had not served this notice. And so with neither the CID or the 2nd respondent being properly served, the whole hearing was a gigantic waste of time.
The judge has given Speak Asia additional time to serve both parties properly to ensure their attendance by the 7th of January 2012. If notices are properly served by this date the matter is to be listed for hearing on the 21st February, 2012.
February 2012? So much for stopping the CID and/or EOW from criminally investigating the company…
Conclusion
It’s interesting that the court wasn’t interested in hearing Speak Asia’s attempts to stop criminal proceedings in the High Court, I can only imagine a similar outcome occurred in the Supreme Court.
Meanwhile a big question mark looms over what the EOW have on AISPA President Melvin Crasto. ‘Simple panelists’ are not held on evidence for 3 weeks in custody and repeatedly denied bail.
The Supreme Court hearing of Speak Asia vs. the CID, in which Speak Asia are seeking to stop the CID (and presumably other government authorities) from criminally investigating the company was appallingly handled. Despite being in the system for months, Speak Asia’s failed to even properly serve the involved parties when they filed their appeal.
With serving a party being a pretty simple and standard prerequisite for a court case, the quality of legal counsel Speak Asia are employing surely comes into question. Not withstanding them mention of proxy lawyers in the court room.
I mean really, what’s the point of having a proxy advocate at a hearing if they can’t legally act or make any decisions for you?
While there’s no concrete info on what EOW on Crasto, the fact that his bail was denied (and Bajpai’s previous bail, as well as bail for all of the OTHER SpeakAsia arrestees were granted) means EOW was able to argue convincingly that
1) Crasto is a flight risk, and/or
2) Crasto has vital information regarding the case that EOW believe he has not yet divulged and/or
3) letting him out (and allow him to communicate to others) can damage EOW investigation.
BTW, what happened to your website? It was down for like 18 hours.
FYI, apparently SpeakAsia in Bangladesh is trying to startup again, by claiming they are NOT MLM. If not, why do they still have uplines, hmmm?
http://www.thebhaskar.com/2011/12/speak-asia-would-run-bangladesh-as-ngo.html
@Kasey
I’ve had an anonymous tip sent to me regarding Crasto;
The above has only been confirmed by one source, if others can confirm the info that’ll cement it as reliable. Sounds like Crasto is a lot more than ‘just a simple panelist’ and charges like that are more than enough to deny him bail and hold him in custody while the EOW continue to investigate their way to the top of what’s left of the ponzi scheme.
Keep in mind that this is the same guy AISPA consider to be a national hero and that the EOW are unjustly holding. Considering AISPA would have had to of known about Crasto’s actual involvement in Speak Asia, Bahirwani claiming he was just a Joe Random panelist aside, their Writ protest against the EOW is highly suspicious. I wonder on what grounds they are claiming it’s unjust.
Dandekar’s bail is up today, no doubt he too is also up to his neck in Speak Asia payments and fraud.
It’s also been confirmed that the EOW didn’t show (I wonder what happened to Anju’s intel). So once again it’s claimed the Committee has sent a notice (and once again it’ll be ignored in favour of the EOW’s criminal investigation).
Bahirwani is reporting good news in his latest AISPA update but is again pulling the ‘I’m sworn to secrecy’ line so who knows. I think the good news might just be AISPA managed to implead themselves on Monday night and nothing more.
I maintain that Lahoti won’t override the EOW and he has to hear from them first, which appears not likely to happen until the criminal matters are sorted, which is what I’ve been saying all along. I figure sooner or later the pin will drop for Lahoti and he’ll realise the gravity of the mess he’s stumbled into.
Tech prob and due to timezones it went on longer than it should have. All fixed now.
Re. Speak Asia Bangaladesh
In that corny video from Abu Dhabi Kumar did say Speak Asia was planning on starting up in Bangladesh but as of yet I haven’t seen anything concrete.
speakasiabd.com appears to be one possibility the the domain reg is set to private (unlike Speak Asia’s main site) so who knows.
There’s a forum and support desk running off the domain, but the domain itself is currently parked (no content).
Perhaps Speak Asia’s members can submit a ticket asking where Manoj Kumar, Harendar Kaur and Tarak Bajpai are at.
This guy is apparently selling PINS (panelist accounts) for SpeakAsia Bangaldesh:
And finally somebody has also set up a Facebook group for SpeakAsiaBD.
But nothing seems to be officially announced at this stage so I haven’t looked into it any further.
@ Oz..
Great to see you back with a vengeance..at least you should have left a note “I’d B BACK”..or something..from here in India you were out for about 36 hours..At one time I seriously thought that SAOL got to you and somehow forced your site shut or something..the Anjus of Aispa would have started proclaiming that she has done this and you chickened out..(Hahahaha).. anyways back to business at hand..
I wouldn’t be surprised that on a later date the EOW also find out that this Bhairwani fellow also had IDs in SAOL in surrogate names much before he actually bought one in middle of May (in his own name..when things turned sour).. after which he started saying that he has not recieved a single payment from SAOL (Officially in his own capacity)..
These guys sure have tremendously devious brains and plan everything down to the core of things..(Read MESS)…
I am pretty sure that if EOW now try to track down Tarak..he might even not be in India..
Yeah sorry for the downtime, I had to deal with international timezones which is why it took longer than it should have. Should be good to go now.
This has always piqued my curiosity. As it stands you’ve got a bunch of people over at AISPA who claim to have never made a cent from Speak Asia, yet they’re defending it to the death and supposedly pouring some of their own money into defense of the company (or indirectly AISPA).
Now if you ask them, they’ll say it’s out some loyalty to Speak Asia and its panelists or what not.
Tell me, does that even remotely make sense? A bunch of people so heavily invested in a company and it’s members they claim to have never made a cent off.
Sure thing guys, nothing suspicious about that.
I’d hate to bring up another scam, but this is the SAME pattern TVI Express did. For the longest time, Tarun Trikha claimed to be just another member, albeit a very senior one, and member of the advisory board (not board of directors, but just a very senior member, according to TVI Express website).
Much much later it was revealed he’s the CEO and all that. Then the various names started disappearing off advisory board. There’s Khurana (sp?).
If you want to start a cycler to suck in a lot of money, you’d put in fake members on top and then claimed you were paid by the fake members. That’s probably EOW’s angle on how this thing is gonna go down.
Welcome Back OZ…. It was so deserted when you were not here for full day yesterday.
Is this possible? Because if a person is on bail his passport must have been confiscated by the authorities.
Cheers Sanjeev.
When the company you work for has hundreds of millions of US dollars in panelist fees to burn and they don’t want you speaking to the authorities – anything is possible.
Regarding the Crasto arrest, unless Bajpai was just another paid corporate shill who’s sole purpose was to smile and wave (Harendar Kaur), it’s amazing that the EOW haven’t at least brought him in for interrogation over the finer details of the apex panelists.
I mean if he was infact the COO and not just a front for Dandekar (who might have been operating as the actual COO all along), Bajpai would certainly be in a position to help them.
If Bajpai was just a shill on the other hand he’d have no idea. Perhaps this is why he was granted bail months ago and promptly dissappeared never to be heard from again once released from hospital, whilst now Dandekar the supposedly acting COO is in jail being interrogated…
Yes these speculations are not coming to an end.
Bit hard to call Crasto’s arrest and denial of bail speculation. You aren’t remanded to custody for interrogation for 3 weeks because you forgot to pay a parking ticket!
And Dandekar being arrested within a week of Crasto being interrogated by the same agency is in all probability related.
Do you have a more innocent explanation that can take into account all the existing facts so far, without twisting logic into a knot?
Oz may be speculating, but his speculations are logical extrapolations based on available facts.
If you have a better explanation that doesn’t involve blind faith (“everything will be fine, we’ll be vindicated”) we’d like to hear it. Or if you spot some problems with his speculations (other than “spare us the emotional damage”) feel free to poke holes in it.
“must”? Or is that merely an assumption?
Furthermore, given crores of money is being spent, clearly there’s enough to go to… extra-legal means to flee if one must. yes, that’s speculation too, but it’s certainly NOT out of the question.
ok….
Hi Oz., How are you?
Oz., That is great news, that will be an important evidence for EOW against AISPA & Speak Asia (hope it might have reached you from an informer to you who is very close with Police), that’s nice.
Now i think EOW can easily play the delaying tactics for many more days to create frustration among all panelists and also most importantly will prove Speak Asia a fraudulent, Ponzi & Money Circulation Scheme.
Am I right?
It is now confirmed that whatever it is happening in Supreme Court is against to the company (Speak Asia) and surely it’ll be a big setback for the company which will be coming to light very soon.
Write your Opinion & Views on this!
Guys few things look damn simple. Mr. Tarak may have revealed (ignited) all the vital details to the investigating agencies and come out on bail. As he is merely the face of various criminals, this ploy of E.O.W and company is going to fetch more, stealthily though.
All those days when Speak Asians hoped for the best and were kept in various facets of illusion, E.O.W was all active and moving. The results don’t seem to be far off now.
The Dandekars, Pals,Kumars,Crasto,Bhairwanis and many more are almost visibly getting entangled now. When is my pride, my company coming back..do I still have to ask Mr. Lahoti..???
This company has made a good FUN of us. Some can take this joke..but many wouldn’t be able to stand anywhere near this bitter truth! VERY SAD.
@Nithya
I’m pretty good.
I don’t think the EOW are delatying, rather the delays are the result of their criminal investigations taking precedence over the ‘we want our money’ side of things.
Evidently the courts aren’t intertested in hearing Speak Asia’s ‘nobody can investigate us’ Supreme Court case, nor the silly ‘we want to quash all the FIRs against us, until after the criminal investigations are concluded.
Naturally this translates into ‘the EOW are delaying things’ for some panelists when it’s not really what their goal is. I’ve said all along the crimianl side of things will take precedence and this is what appears to be happening.
Regarding the Lahoti Committee, this keeps getting parroted out as victory for Speak Asia, but you have to remember the only reason it was established is because Speak Asia got up and lied to the court about its business model (product based, when it’s not). They also submitted an affadavit alleging the same.
Thus the Committee has limitations in the real world given the fact that Speak Asia’s actual business model is indeed a ponzi scheme and the EOW appear to be closing in on the Indian based ringleaders (those that haven’t fled).
I predict the EOW will continue to ignore the Lahoti Committee as they’re fully aware of its limitations. Lahoti himself can’t restart operations or order payments for panelists and the Supreme and High Courts have clearly shown by adjourning matters seeking to stop criminal investigations into Speak Asia, that they aren’t interested in hearing them until the EOW investigation is concluded.
I imagine any Supreme Court decision following the Lahoti Committee’s conclusion will also likely be deferred too.
As expected, looks like AISPA writ was again adjourned till the 22nd December.
Make of that what you will. I’m sure Bahirwani will put out an update over the next 48 hours damning the EOW and calling it a travesty of justice etc. etc.
Looks like on the 9th December AISPA’s lawyer asked the court for permission to amend the petition, as it was going to be dismissed otherwise.
Given that this matter still hasn’t had a proper hearing, I imagine the writ was still flawed and most likely needed to be amended yet again. No doubt trying to assert the innocence of ponzi scheme operators is a delicate task.
Hopefully an updated judgement of what went on today will be put up in the next few days.
Meanwhile the simple fact of the matter is you can’t stop a criminal investigation into the largest ponzi scheme India has ever seen involving hundreds of millions of dollars by filing writs.
This appears to be a desperate AISPA doing anything they can to keep the lid down on their so called ‘ad-hoc committee’s’ actual involvement and relationship with Speak Asia, and failing miserably.
Dandekar is up for bail today, wonder how that will go.
Oz, i am following you from quite some time and your analysis is always backed by good decent logic. Now going by your logic it seems that you make sense.
@ Sanjeev, u seems to me as one of the admns of powers on FB. and you think just opposite of OZ.
Now watevr OZ says is backed by some logic but can u give one such logic why u still feel ” ALL IS WELL ” and “ALL’S NOT IN THE WELL”
Order from the Speak Asia vs. CID case is out. Analysis and conclusion comments added to the article.
Speak Asia are trying to appeal a decision presumably made against them giving the CID the go ahead to criminally investigate the company, and meanwhile I can’t believe Speak Asia are just sending proxy lawyers to these matters… what a mess.
I agree with your analysis. I think this “unserved party No. 2” is Khoosla, a private citizen, who filed the FIR, and SAOL is trying to quash the investigation that stemmed from the FIR by suing the government, but not the person(s) who started the whole thing.
The whole idea that a CRIMINAL investigation can be halted by a CIVIL lawsuit against the STATE is ridiculous any way. No doubt SAOL is going to file an amendment adding Khoosla to the suit and buy more time (and spend more panelist money to do nothing)
It is also possible that the court is just too busy and basically rubber-stamped an adjournment. There’s really no information to go either way (this is one case where there IS an innocent explanation).
Unless someone was in court and can confirm that EOW filed for adjournment (i.e. more time) there’s no way to know either way.
Sanjeev is welcome to his own opinions, and he’s welcome to post them here as long as they are backed up by some logic or evidence that can be verified.
Americans have a saying “Do not assume. it makes an ‘ass’ out of ‘u’ and ‘me’.” It seems too many SAOL supporters have “assume”d that SAOL is innocent, and because they assumed, they cannot accept signs that SAOL may indeed be guilty, and would find ways to discredit such signs and analysis of such signs.
This is called “confirmation bias”, that a person’s mind automatically filters information to support his or her bias views.
A thought had just occurred to me.
Supposedly SAOL is represented by Phoenix Legal (Anju kept saying so) and they are supposedly some bigshot lawyers in India and charges a lot for their services.
WHY would they NOT know that suing the government isn’t enough , and they have to sue the “unserved Party No. 2” as well? How can they NOT know that, and have to be reminded by a judge? There guys can’t be THAT incompetent.
Either they got the most junior lawyer in Phoenix Legal who IS indeed incompetent (and paid a bargain basement price, but can let Anju and the supporters claim: “see, we’re paying for the best lawyers” when they’re not)…
or they are DELIBERATELY delaying the court proceedings by INTENTIONALLY introducing these procedural errors.
(or it could just be an innocent mistake on the party of the lawyers, but do you make “innocent mistakes” at the high court, by LAWYERS?)
I admit there’s no evidence to go either way, but this is a point of suspicion.
Which is more than I can say for the Speak Asia Powers group on Facebook, of which Sanjeev is an admin of. This is what happens if you dare to voice your opinion and criticise Speak Asia there:
Banned forever! Happy thoughts, happy thoughts… everybody just close your eyes and think happy thoughts. There is no legal action… there is no committee – everything is under control.
@Kasey
As far as I can tell, Speak Asia neither served the CID or party no. 2.
They tried to file notice to the CID (who sent someone as they must have been aware of the case), but Speak Asia need to ensure this serving is legit by confirming the party the CID sent to the hearing is actually an officer of the CID.
Party no. 2 weren’t present in any capacity as they were never served, despite being named on the petition by Speak Asia.
We’re talking the highest court in India here, the Supreme Court. Meanwhile Speak Asia are sending proxy lawyers into this case, who don’t even have the authority to to act on Speak Asia’s behalf in legal matters beyond casting a vote.
Seriously, why send in a proxy lawyer to a Supreme Court hearing?? The only reason I can think of is as you said, ‘they are DELIBERATELY delaying the court proceedings by INTENTIONALLY introducing these procedural errors’.
Speak Asia didn’t want to waste their money by sending in their actual lawyers because they knew the hearing was going to be a waste of time.
Now this is not good for SANJEEV AND FRDS.. Everyone blaming EOW for delaying tactis and heres wat speakasia seems to to.
Sanjeev must have some answere for using proxy lawyers at this crucial stage of so called ” WE ARE NEARING VICTORY” and HV PATIENCE….BOOGIE MAN CONFUSE HUA…HAHA
Dandekar’s been remanded in judicial custody till Friday the 17th. Same thing happened with Crasto… so looks like Dandekar is important to the EOW investigation.
Perhaps that hypothesis that Dandekar was the actual COO of Speak Asia all along isn’t so presumed. He’s certainly of sustained interest to the EOW and the courts seem to think, like Crasto, he’s a high flight risk (otherwise they’d bail him).
I’m starting to think Bajpai just broke down into tears after he was first arrested and told the EOW somebody just paid him to walk around, fly the Speak Asia flag and smile… due to his complete lack of involvement for months on end, the EOW’s lack of interest in him and Dandekar’s arrest and denial of bail, it’s looking more and more that Bajpai was just a front person like Harendar Kaur.
Like Crasto’s bogus claim of just being an innocent panelist and the President of AISPA when he’s clearly been caught taking kickbacks from Speak Asia, it should be interesting to see what the EOW have on Dandekar. Sooner or later one of these two is bound to give up someone higher up the chain.
For what it’s worth, I suspect that Kumar is just a front person too. IMHO Kumar just doesn’t behave like a CEO of any sort (except to SAOLers singing his praises, like Anju).
The fact that he left the country leaving his family to face the EOW investigators shows he ain’t got much guts despite his promises, but he likely knows too much to risk a return to India. Even his name showing up in Brazil would suggest he’s clearly a “front man”.
Oz – again you are quoting a post just for your commenting purposes. When a person starts abusing openly, it is at that time that this sort of warnings are given. This is rule on our forum… Please don’t manipulate things for your own benefit. We are not censoring any comments till the time they are not abusive.
IF this is how you are presenting the facts of SAOL case also without understanding why such comment was said, you are bound to commit a factual error.
Come on Sanjeev, what are you 5?
Trying to discredit what’s discussed here based on what you may or may not have done on Facebook is a waste of time.
How’s about commenting on the recent use of proxy lawyers by Speak Asia in court, the automatic adjournment of matters not directly related to the EOW’s investigation, the increasingly desperation evident in AISPA’s twice now rejected petition and the repeated denial of bail to your innocent heroes?
I know it’s eating you up inside.
Oz., Please change that into Saturday the 17th., (it was not Friday the 17th). Normally Saturday means it is only on Monday, purposefully they’ll delay the work to last moment on Saturday and only on Monday he may get bail (that also not sure), this usually happens with Police.
I don’t think so.. If he was important, they wouldn’t have permitted him to judicial custody, they would have kept in police custody for more longer period.
Oz., Is there any chance to take him back from Judicial Custody to Police Custody?
@Kasey Kumar migtht not be a proper CEO but he’s definitely involved in the financial side of things. You only need to look at the slimy Abu Dhabi video and his other appearances to discern that.
Kumar comes across as that nerdy kid at school, only now it’s like someone handed him a whole lot of money and he’s gained some awkward confidence.
Hopefully the actual management, whether it be silent partners of Seven Rings or hidden people(s) in India, are exposed soon enough.
@Nithya oops right you are.
Isn’t that exactlt what happened with Crasto? He was in the EOW’s custody, then judicial for 4-5 days and then back to the EOW (as far as I know?).
If Dandekar is important to the EOW it’s the same process being played out again as what happened with Crasto. Police custody —> judicial —> back to the police.
Did i deny that fact or did we delete post regarding this issue on our FB page. No. Because a fact is a fact. But where ever the denial is required, I’ll vehemently deny it.
If it a waste of time then why are you quoting statements from Powers Page which have no relevance to your posts.
I still maintain there are admins involved. Aman Azad is a little too close to Bahirwani and AISPA if you ask me.
Now that AISPA has been tainted from top to bottom by President Crasto’s kickbacks, anyone who’s associated with them casts great suspicion. Moreso when you have AISPA themselves filing seemingly pointless writs that are not even procedurally correct (twice now!).
…and begging panelists to bankroll their defense! Do these people have no shame?
We can only take your word you aren’t censoring negativity towards Speak Asia. I myself have seen the warnings given to panelists not to publish negative opinions and to abstain from general negativity.
I didn’t ask you to confirm or deny it, I asked you to comment on it.
Or have you forgotten what it’s like to have an opinion of your own that isn’t read out from a press release?
Oz.,
Initially Police said Melvyn Crasto has received about 1.5 lakh ($3000 USD) in his Bank account from unknown sources which might be from Speak Asia (as some newspapers says).
So they have taken him to their custody (Police Custody) and then later they would have told the court that Crasto has received 23 lakh ($43,217 USD) in his Bank account directly from Speak Asia (as you are saying) for which court would have rejected the bail for Melvyn Crasto.
Same thing is now repeating for Ashish Dandekar’s case.
My guess is.. both will be connected with one another. That’s why it is happening like that..
Now let us see what will happen next..!
Whatever needs to be commented on this issue is already done by you and there is nothing which I can oppose as of now.
As and when I have some evidence as to why this happened, i will surely get back to you. What to say, I am now addicted to your comments which are sometimes logical but sometimes baseless.
Be assured, where ever there is a difference of opinion I will sure comment on that. Where it is none, I think silence is a better option. But I do read all your comments, that is sure.
Almost. If memory serves correctly they took him in for questioning over the $3000 and he refused to explain it. This was enough the next day (or the day after can’t remember now) for a judge to remand him in custody for a week.
A further week of interrogations I imagine led to the arrest of Dandekar and uncovering of $43,217 payments from Speak Asia to Crasto.
Now the court has refused Crasto bail because he’s a flight risk (he’ll no doubt pull a Bajpai on release) and yes, the same appears to be happening with Dandekar. The particulars of Dandekars bank accounts are no doubt very interesting.
@Sanjeev
Well I appreciate the honesty. Anju had a bad habit of coming here, spouting mountains of rubbish and when proven wrong falling back on ‘nananan I can’t hear you, you’re wrong you’re wrong’.
With the collapse of AISPA she seems to have disappeared back to her hole which can only be a good thing. The discussion might be a bit quieter here for it but at least it’s based on the information we have infront of us and logical conclusions, rather than her ‘I know stuff but can’t tell you’ nonsense.
I straight away deny this statement of yours.
Well one minute he’s AISPA’s official documentary maker and the next he’s got nothing to do with them…
You tell me.
Either way it’s enough to warrant keeping an eye on things.
Thanks for acknowledging.
Oz, we at powers have always been honest. We are a group of panelists who are keeping themselves motivated and united in order to face any eventuality.
We just want to be updated on the real / Logical facts so that there is no outright denial of our rights to get the money back.
Oz. I will take a break now and will meet you all on Saturday as I will be travelling tommorow and may not be online.
Dear OZ, Im dead sure that Mr. Khanna doesn’t hv a clue on it and i think its not a mistake. This is a deliberate effort to put the things hanging in air for a longer period.
The Solomon James writ case status has been updated with an order to
List the application along with the main matter.
Not entirely sure what that means… but it appears that the judge wants another hearing date to be fixed in order to hear the application for impleadment (AISPA?) and to receive an update report (from Lahoti?).
The Dec 12th hearing was heard in Chambers after hours so not sure if that counts for anything unless it’s heard in an actual court session or not.
Either way it’s yet another delay in the process. It almost sounds like AISPA (if they are the party looking to implead themselves) thought they might be able to wriggle in via a Chambers hearing, and the judge turned around and said it would have to be officially heard in a proper court hearing.
At time of publication no future date has yet been set.
@Oz
The proxy lawyers appeared in the Andhra Pradesh High Court in the case filed by Speak Asia for quashing the criminal investigation being conducted by the CID, Hyderabad.
This may have been done for an adjournment as they must have feared that the Judge hearing the proceedings may be like the Judge in the Supreme Court Justice Markanadey Katju who openly criticized SAOL in Court.
SAOL had filed the case for consolidation of all the cases in India as one so that the accused would not be prosecuted all India. Times Now, Headlines Today, etc TV Channels reported the news and have put up the video on the net and it was reported by the media that Judge Katju said – You have defrauded lakhs of people now face them.
SAOL promptly withdrew the case. It was heard on 02.09.2011.
Criminal Writ Petition No. 176 of 2011 with the subject – CRIMINAL MATTERS – MATTERS RELATING TO BANK SCAMS, CHEATING, FORGERY ETC.
I don’t know KKhosla outside of his involvement in Speak Asia. What I can say is that anything he’s done or is involved in has no bearing on the fact that Speak Asia is a ponzi scheme.
And that shall remain the focus here.
This looks to be a transparent attempt by Speak Asia to somehow nullify their criminal activity by hiding behind Kkhosla’s actions. It might work with the villagers but won’t work here, I couldn’t care less about Kkhosla’s private life and I can’t see how it fits into Speak Asia’s criminal activities.
Rana Ranvir Singh
I dont know about Khosla but the language SpeakAsia Panelist like you are using here and on other pages, shows what kind of Educated Research Marketing panelist speakasia has recruited and clears all doubts that surely speakasia is and was a fraud company with bad mouthing and foul language using people.
I dont think any company would have given surveys or research to a company whose panelist use this kind of lanugage and truly it is known they dont have clients, except abusive foul language panelists.
This news is being spread from a blog of a guy called Kuldeep Singh, whether its true needs to be verified
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MELVIN CRESTO
HAS BEEN SEND TO JUDICIAL CUSTODY HIS BAIL HEARING WILL BE ON 30 DECEMBER
ASHISH DANDEKAR
HAS BEEN SEND TO JUDICIAL CUSTODY FOR 2 WEEKS HIS BAIL HEARING WILL BE ON 30 DECEMBER
This is the link to the blog
http://kuljeetsharma.blogspot.com/
@Observer; Rana Ravinder Singh;
The information seems to be originally posted in a blog, “The Bhaskar”, with no reliable sources for the information?
thebhaskar dot com/2011/12/speak-asia-truth-you-must-read.html
It’s always wise to add reliable sources if you want “the right people” to believe in something. “The right people” won’t accept information unless it’s backed up by something reliable.
Emotional statements will usually make the information look less reliable. We don’t have to “force” people into believing something if the information is reliable.
What will happen if I “Dare to Challenge this Truth”? Will he make up another story where I’m involved in something, too, or do I only have to expect some thunder and lightning or other natural disasters? 😛
Oz
Is it possible to get the email IDs of these gentlemen who posted this false and defamatory information about me on the internet? This is an offence in India.
I have read of three names – Kuldeep Sharma, Kapil Arora and Rana Ranvir Singh.
I would love to hear how you would handle this situation. You have my email ID
Khosla Ji.,
No need to take that matter seriously what SpeakAsians writing in their blogs or Facebook groups, as you told earlier
I know you are a bold person and please show that again by openly giving YOUR full contact address, phone no. and email ID. I am sure you are a brave man than any abusers.
I am sure you will make all SpeakAsian drummers & those persons who write against you and abuse you anywhere in Internet to understand what they did was wrong or they’ve done a big mistake whoever abuses you wrongly in this way.
I am sure again I’ll tell as you are a brave man! Also it’ll prove you are not sponsered man as they abuse or claim in their blogs & groups.
One option is you can pull a “SpeakAsia” on them… You already have services of attorneys, I believe? Just have them send a “cease and desist” letter publicly.
Maybe you can demand “500 crore” like SpeakAsia did (and you will donate all money won, minus attorney expenses, to charity, if it goes to trial and you win, or you actually got paid, which is unlikely). 😉
Khoosla’s name has been known for many many months. The very fact that this only emerged “recently”, yet not backed up by proof, and it has nothing to do with economic crimes, reveals that this is “ad hominem” attack, i.e. “attack the attacker, not what his evidence or logic”.
Dear Sameer, i think u are getting emotional. Irrespective of wat speakasia group is doing, technically ders nothing called illegal banking channels. And if u really know wats illegal banking..pls elaborate…
Mr. Rana, the track record of Mr. Khosla has nothing to do with this discussion. You are requested to bring some facts to prove your point of view. If some one is wrong, it doesnt makes u right.
@Chang / Kkhosla:
I believe it’s better to just ignore ad hominem attacks. What seems to be the original poster didn’t seem to have any reliable sources, and have deleted 2 comments where I asked for reliable sources.
Most of the matherial seems to have been copied from “Divorce FAQ in India”, or from some studies into divorce problems in general.
It’s always a risk that people know what they’re doing, and that the misspelling of the name isn’t any accident. He may have created a fictional character, with a very similar name, but yet different. The information isn’t very believable, either, like “32 pending cases …” and “6 divorce cases”. This sounds more like some statistics from a court district than the activity of one man. 😛
Come to think of it, the fact that Asian names tend to have many variations in spelling, plus the proliferation of third, fourth, alliterations, sound-alikes, and nicknames, plus alternative forms, would make formal ID quite difficult.
@Navniit
As a matter of policy I don’t give out email addresses or IPs of people who contribute here.
I maintain that this just seems to be yet another diversionary tactic by Speak Asia’s senior panelists (and the company itself). What Kkhosla has or hasn’t done doesn’t change the facts of Speak Asia as they stand before us. Thus, any further discussion on this topic is irrelevant.
As for Speak Asia Powers, it appears you can post negative (and unverified) information… just so long as it’s not about Speak Asia. Two days ago senior panelist admin Harsh Vora wrote this:
And then yesterday admin Manish Jain, reposted the Kkhosla allegations after another member first published them.
Perhaps Sanjeev has an explanation for this? I mean it’s not the first time Speak Asia’s management or senior panelists have just made stuff up to support the company, but pulling specific hatchet jobs on your critics – and supporting them openly at a senior panelist level?
That’s pretty low (and does nothing to ‘defend’ the company). And really… who has 32 cases of child molestation laid out against them and walks around a free man? You guys could have at least tried to sound credibile with your allegations.
Unless a source is cited I’m chalking this up to complete horseshit, and whilst I’d say shame on the senior panelists for getting duped so easily – they did buy into Speak Asia, so I guess it’s not all that surprising.
Let’s not forget, these are the same morons that published their little blogspot blogs claiming that I am in India, am some sort of ‘agent’ and work for Speak Asia’s competitors. That’s the level of credibility we’re talking here.
I can’t remember who now, but I think it was Sanjeev who even came here and ask for me to publicly address the nonsense. As if bothering with ficticious claims or discrediting other people not involved in the running with Speak Asia somehow changes the fact they are a ponzi scheme.
You can run a ponzi scheme, you can steal from Indians by transferring the money overseas never to be seen again and you can use that money to fund more scams in Brazil. Do all that and you’re still a hero of unquestionable character to these people.
But don’t you dare crticise said ponzi scheme… that’s outrageous and will swiftly attract all sorts of ficticious claims laid out against you.
Navnit Khosla ji, if this news was spread by Bhaskar online the you can send a defamation notice to bhaskar and claim damages as told by K Chang.
You can post a message on facebook pages of these groups, speak asia consumer and speakasian powers group asking them to remove the posts or you will complain to cyber cell police and facebook.
Because if you really do complain to cyber cell, then their groups will forced to be removed by facebook, facebook has done this earlier by removing the largest members page Speak Asia Online group, after receiving abuse complaints.
I stopped giving the Daily Bhaskar any credibility once articles written by myself on BehindMLM began to appear on there in full, credited to other authors.
I wrote requesting that they at least acknowledge me as a source but never heard a reply.
It appears anyone can submit an article for publication and the editor(s) of the Daily Bhaskar will happily publish it in their name.
Given that Speak Asia Powers on the other hand is a Facebook group, might be worth contact them in regards to the information re-published by admin Manish Jan. Even if it’s deleted Facebook can still see it was published on their end.
Can you please let me know the status of Navnit Khosla’s compalaints. Has it been withdrawn…?
Thank you M_Norway, Oz, Sameer, Boogie Man, Chang and others for refusing to accept nonsense.
As advised I will take appropriate action as required under the law.
@Sanjeev Khanna
My complaint is being further investigated and has not been withdrawn. The orders on the bail application of Dandekar in the Qila Court in EOW/60/2011 is now reserved for 20.12.2011.
Can you even withdraw a FIR?
Since when can you just withdraw statements made to the police regarding criminal matters?
‘oh yeah, sorry I’d like to withdraw the information I provided which led to capture of x’
‘uh… but we have bodies, a confession and numerous witnesses…’
‘I don’t care, I’m withdrawing my FIR.’
‘… ah well you heard him, pack it up boys case closed. Sorry for the inconvenience Mr. x, you’re free to go’.
Meanwhile, back in reality…
Come on Sanjeev, whatever the status of the FIR now would seem inconsequential in the face of money laundering, running a ponzi scheme, tax evasion and whatever else the EOW, CID, ED, MCA and IT depts have on Speak Asia.
Yes, OZ . Complaints can always be withdrawn. There is no restriction on this in any law. I suppose.
But it’s not a complaint, it’s a report. The police are required to investigate the report and once that process is set in motion it’s not like the filer of the report asking to withdraw it has any consequence on the resulting criminal investigation.
Especially if said investigation reveals criminal activity, as is the case with Speak Asia.
Oz.,
What is happening?
Allegations against Navneeth Khosla might not be true!
See, One of the close Speak Asia member himself told me this..
The information about Mr. Navneeth Khosla still not proven by anyone. Until it is not proven by any Speak Asia member against him with the clear links of court cases and case numbers or anything like that, it remains the same as Speak Asia Case,
……..for which i totally opposed.
He also told Navneeth Khosla (Navniit Kkhosla of Behind MLM – don’t know – different or same???) can put the defamation case to prove his innocence as what Speak Asia is trying to do for proving themselves legal or genuine,
……..for which i totally opposed.
I won’t accept all these allegations against Mr. Khosla even 1%.. I’ll go with Sameer, M_Norway, Anti-SpeakAsian in that matter. Sameer rightly says..
I’ll accept he can take the step immediately to send defamation notice to bhaskar which seems to me a funny online magazine which can publish anything also has no credibility as you have rightly mentioned..
M_norway also rightly mentioned..
I will agree to the comment made by Anti-SpeakAsian which may also prove Navneeth Khosla is open, frank and also a bold person who doesn’t want to hide himself or hide his face in this difficult situation.
The Supreme Court has received Lahoti’s report and has scheduled the Solomon James writ 383’s next hearing date for Monday the 9th January 2012.
Should be interesting to see what is decided.
Oz.,
As I have told you earlier, again I’m repeating..
I still continue to tell the same (Lahoti committee will explore the possibility of amicable settlement and conclude the matter) and I feel now it is useless to show our opinions here in this portal because we won’t get any solution here in this particular portal which is only for counter-attacking Speak Asia members by you and your paid gang.
I was the wrong person coming and writing comments all these days in this blog..
You have told..
The Lahoti Committee wasn’t formed to settle anything.
It was totally wrong..
Please understand the situation & talk..
Now, this case is in totally different shape, since till this date none of the case which belong to these kind of companies or in Network Marketing Industry has reached to this type of situation and status, it has to conclude now.
Now, please stop finding a reason for each & every thing and simply counter-attacking those persons who opposes your opinions & analysis..
Did you read Lahoti’s report then? What did it say?
Supreme Court wanted to humour panelists and explore the possibility of financial settlement. Lahoti has a committee, Speak Asia say they want to pay even though they don’t have the money, panelists shout Jai Speak Asia and the EOW finally rock up only to tell everyone what they already knew: “we’re still investigating so stop wasting our time”.
After the Lahoti mediation committee the EOW went on investigating and now they’ve got Crasto, Dandekar and Ritesh Pal (his father?) in jail. The Supreme Court has nothing to do with the criminal side of things, however it can’t very well order banks to do business with a company strongly suspected of criminal activity now can they.
Honestly, what do you think is going to be in Lahoti’s report? Stop suspending reality and look at it objectively.
Oz.,
I’m accepting that company did so many mistakes (a fraud) and they need to pay penalty for it, again telling – whether to start or not – court will decide! we need to obey the judicial verdict without criticizing the court.
Times Of India rightly said recently stating SpeakAsia case in India(dated Jan 2, 2012) under the title Financial Lessons of 2011 as
.. (still) there is no telling whether it will be allowed to resume its operations in India (Or not)…
Initially, i loved reading all your articles which i believed has good analysis and research and later on found you are going too much, exaggerating things and also doing so many mistakes here again & again by keep on changing your statements (initially you told lahoti committee won’t finish and it’s useless committee, now telling it has reached interesting stage, what interesting stage, i can’t understand)
also i’m seeing you are simply copying many facebook messages from different persons and putting that in your blog., basically you are simply within a circle & playing games (within cyber world)., all the information whatever you have given till this date were taken from one & only internet circle except the news: venue of Lahoti committee meeting in which EOW participated & few information which can be countable..
I want confirmation from you once again? Where you have taken that Manoj Kumar’s serial photos (where he appeared in first YouTube video addressing Speak Asia members)?, which you are telling as you have got that from Mr. Colibri website, whereas Mr. Manoj Kumar is telling a blog has been created separately and those photos were put into that website from which you have taken..!
You are telling those photos you have taken from Colibri website and later on removed from that website after you have extracted. Are you having any proof stating that those photos & name taken from Mr. Colibri website?
What is the need of Mr. Colibri management people to show Mr. Manoj Kumar’s photos of that YouTube video which was taken in really difficult situation.
Should they use openly Mr. Manoj Kumar’s name (which is so popular in India & even in Bangladesh in negative side) after knowing so clearly that company already trapped in many problems and difficulties?
I don’t think so?
Well, i don’t think you will show or give your personal information about you here in your own blog with your photograph showing your face..!
Given that the James writ 383 has nothing to do with the criminal investigations into Speak Asia, no it wont.
Speak Asia’s business operations need to be proven legal and that’s not going to court till a government agency files charges. Why do you think Speak Asia has lodged legal action against both the CID and EOW? They are trying to stop investigations so as to hide their criminal activities.
Sorry what? I stated it was useless, I don’t recall every saying it wouldn’t finish.
Interesting in that on the 9th hopefully we’ll get a clear picture of the distortion of Speak Asia’s lies and reality.
I’ve said it numerous times, this is not an advocacy site for getting panelists money back – I honestly couldn’t care less about that. My interest is in the MLM business side of things. The James writ 383 is only of interest to me as it might detail more of Speak Asia’s lies out in the open.
…I bring analysis to the table. You won’t find my analysis anywhere else on the internet.
I’m not sure if I understand the question, but I never took any photos for the screenshot of the ColibriMakeMoney website – that is how the site appeared. The site’s owner sourced the photos from wherever.
…Kumar can say what he wants. Before ColibriMakeMoney was taken down everyone could see the site as it was. I have simply archived the website as it appeared. I figured after exposing Kumar as a direct investor of Mister Colibri the site would go down quickly.
…yes, the screenshot that I published. I didn’t invent that screenshot, that’s how the site appeared before it was pulled. It was wholly accessible whent he original article was published on BehindMLM.
Management didn’t show anything, ColibriMakeMoney was run by a Mister Colibri member. She used Kumar as part of Seven Rings Management as a marketing tool to convince people Mister Colibri was backed by millions of dollars in investment.
Apart from marketing Mister Colibri, if there’s another reason you’ll have to ask Oliveri herself. I simply exposed the link to show people where Speak Asia’s panelist money had been laundered to.
I’ve documented every bit of proof along the way on the Kumar investmenting into Mister Colibri issue, yet all Kumar has to do is make a YouTube video stating otherwise with no proof at all – and you take it as gospel. Honestly, sheep would be harder to lead down the garden path than yourself.
Because it’s irrelevant, the information stands on its own. Who I am doesn’t change the accuracy or relevance of it.
There should be interesting to read the report, if it’ll be public available after it’s presented in court. It will probably provide valuable insight into how the court system works – for later use.
The Solomon Jemes case is a CIVIL lawsuit between panelists and SAOL for non-payment and breach of contract. It is NOT to decide whether SAOL is criminally fraudulent.
Ritesh… are you reading this through a translator? If so, I think you’ve ran into some translation artifacts. I think Oz wrote that Lahoti committee won’t “resolve” anything, or “reach a “resolution”. I can see how that can be rendered as “won’t finish”, but that was not the proper meaning.
I’m not sure what your point is. Are you challenging the accuracy of the articles? Are you denying that the quotes from Facebook are not accurate?
What serial photos? You mean slide show video?
So you are challenging the accuracy of the source, i.e. that Colibri member website, as a deliberate “smear campaign” against Manoj Kumar?
Given that it is PROVEN that Manoj Kumar have a link to the parent company, Seven Rings Intl, and a BRAZILIAN member of a completely different BRAZILIAN company have NO REASON to lie about an investor (she probably never heard of Manoj Kumar and is merely copying some existing PR material), together these evidence outweighs the unsupported claim by Manoj Kumar that he had nothing to do with Mr. Colibri.
We don’t know when was the website first created or when was the information sourced. Again, it is unlikely that the Brazilian member even know who Manoj Kumar is, and probably just copied it from some PR material given out in Brazil.
“Name-dropping” is always an attempt to build legitimacy through name’s reputation or image. To me, the original intent was to “prove” that Mr.Colibri has an “international team” (the names don’t sound particularly Brazilian, and an Indian looks VERY different from Brazilian) and if it attracted investment from abroad, it doesn’t “look” like a scam.
@Nithya Ritesh
We’re not a paid gang. 🙂
Paid? No, this work is voluntarily and unpaid.
Gang? No, we’re organized as a group of individuals.
Remember that each and everyone that posts comments would have been part of the gang if this was organized that way, and each and everyone would have to follow instructions from the leader.
You would have been part of the gang, too. 🙂
A gang will never allow members from other gangs to enter their territory, and the leader would loose respect from other members if he allowed this to happen.