AISPA pleads: No legal action against Speak Asia!
I’m not entirely sure who’s behind the All India SpeakAsia Panelist Association (AISPA) save to say that the website domain aispa.co.in is owned by some guy called Atul Kulkarni of Karnanisoft Technologies.
Nonetheless, AISPA spokesperson Ashok Bahirwani has been publicly covering recent legal developments between Speak Asia and the various regulators investigating the company.
Till today, much of a big deal has been made about a PIL filed by Speak Asia in the Andhra Pradesh High Court.
This PIL requested that
all matters related to the Speak Asia case be transferred under one single investigating agency for investigation.
The investigation, be ordered to be completed in a set time frame, and pending such investigation, no further arrests of anybody connected to Speak Asia be allowed.
Today this PIL was heard by the Andhra Pradesh High Court and subsequently was rejected. Now, not surprisingly, Bahirwani and the rest of AISPA are furious.
First and foremost let’s examine why Speak Asia would file such a PIL. If we look at the request to consolidate all matters into one single investigation, this means that not only will it be much easier for Speak Asia to mount a legal defense, but also possibly mean that certain charges would have to be dropped.
With different agencies charging Speak Asia with different crimes, limiting prosecutions by one regulating agency means Speak Asia would only be facing one set of charges.
It would also mean that any new charges that arise might not be able to be handled by one single regulating authority meaning that they too would have to be dropped.
The second request, asking the court to prohibit any future arrests of anyone connected with Speak Asia is nothing more than an obvious ploy to grant the safety of Speak Asia management.
Speak Asia know having Harendar Kaur and Manoj Kumar (Global and Indian CEOs of Speak Asia respectively) is massively damaging the credibility of the country. Not only in a legal sense but also in the eyes of their own panelists.
As the days drag on it’s only obvious that Speak Asia members are questioning why their management are hiding overseas with the hundred off million siphoned out of India, whilst they themselves face the very real consequences of regulatory action against Speak Asia in India.
With both CEOs wanted for questioning by Indian authorities, obviously neither Kumar or Kaur are going to set foot in the country knowing full well they’ll be arrested at the airport.
That and there’s also the small matter of Tarak Bajpai being re-arrested by the different regulatory agencies with cases currently pending or active against Speak Asia. This also looks terrible for the company.
So why did Speak Asia’s PIL fail?
Well, in arguing against Speak Asia’s PIL, Corporate Frauds Watch submitted an affidavit outlining that ‘fresh FIRs have been filed by a few panelists in Andhra Pradesh’.
This effectively means that if the High Court granted Speak Asia’s PIL, these FIR (first incident reports) would in effect be rendered ineffective (no arrests would be possible pending an investigation).
Furious at the decision, Bahirwani and AISPA lashed out at these panelists’ actions labelling their actions as behaving ‘like the proverbial ghar ka bhaidee… lanka dhaaye’.
Whatever that means.
Bahirwani also pleaded with Speak Asia members to resist the urge to file any FIR’s against Speak Asia on their own.
Bahirwani claims that the
filing of fresh FIRs will not help anybody. No court, no CID, no EOW, no FIR can return or ensure the return of your monies save and except the company Speak Asia.
If you understand this, 90% of our problems will be over.
Does Bahirwani and AISPA know something we don’t? From the looks of it, they are threatening that should Speak Asia lose their legal battles, there is no way that panelists are getting their hands on the one hundred million plus that Harendar Kaur secretly siphoned out of India.
Furthermore Bahirwani is also operating on the false guarantee that, should Speak Asia members restrain themselves and not go to the authorities themselves, that Speak Asia will automatically win in court. Or at least have a 90% shot at doing so.
What AISPA and Bahirwani are failing to realise here is that it’s not the FIR’s that cost them their precious little PIL in court today, but rather the reason behind those FIRs.
At the heart of Speak Asia is a recruitment driven business model and this has and always will be the reason Speak Asia continue to lose in court. There’s just no way around it and pretending that all would have been well had their members not taken up independent action against the company is ridiculous.
Corporate Frauds Watch’s lawyers didn’t even have to answer the PIL as the judge threw it out on the basis of a submitted affidavit alone. So even if the affidavit wasn’t enough, Speak Asia would still have had to face off with Corporate Frauds Watch’s lawyer.
And that is certainly not a guarantee of victory in itself.
Instead of accepting this, now we have Bahirwani and AISPA chastising the members who dared to launch action against Speak Asia themselves, and are now calling on unity in their ‘war’ (no I’m not kidding, they’re actually referring to this as a war now) against the Indian authorities.
Bahirwani also lambasted the local media reports on the case, claiming that
The media once again reported the manner in a deploringly negative manner and went on to say that the court had ordered the CID to effect arrests of all concerned.
Despite somewhat accurately portraying what is now within the power of the CID to do (arrest Speak Asian members and management), I was unable to find any media reports at the time of publication claiming this.
Summarising the ongoing regulator action against Speak Asia, as far as Bahirwani and AISPA are concerned,
This is a crucial phase in our war, the enemy is waiting for us Speak Asians to lose patience and open up our flanks for them to attack us.
They do not know we are all united strongly because we Speak Asians are one big family, this is what they never imagined, and never factored into their strategy; this unity is what will defeat them, this unity is what will get us victory.
Delusional much?
Speak Asia is a blatant pyramid scheme, time to get over yourselves guys.
That Indian phrase? It’s an Indian proverb, basically translates to “beware of Judas, betrayer among us.”
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Indian_proverbs#G
So now they’re quoting religious like phrases to keep their members under control… yeah we’re well into cult territory here.
Slight correction. It is the “high court of Andhra Pradesh” that rejected the SpeakAsia writ, not Indian Supreme Court.
I can’t find an article that describes the Indian legal system with a proper overview, but it appears that each state or territory has its own laws and its own police and court, with Supreme Court of India as the ultimate overseer of law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_and_territories_of_India
That’s how you got the previous report that other police departments and agencies are out to arrest the bailed-out SpeakAsian leaders as the bail only applies to this particular territory.
In the US, it’d be much like being bailed out in New Jersey but still wanted on a warrant out of Texas.
Ah yeah my bad. I remember reading they were trying to have everything heard by the Supreme Court as this meant that the ruling counted nation wide.
Hard to keep up with all the nonsense being published everywhere by this mob!
Okay, the legal system of India is confusing enough already. Here’s what I’ve been able to gather
National level — Supreme Court (part of national government, Judicial branch, along with Ministry of Justice)
State/Territory level — High Courts (one per state, such as Andhra Pradesh, with their own high court judges)
District Level — District Courts (one or more per district wtihin each state, each with one or more judges)
Look in the sidebar (to the right) and you’ll see general levels. It seems criminal and civil courts are pretty well mixed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_Courts_of_India
@Chang & OZ… In Indian Legal system, a High Court has the authority to pass orders effecting other states as well.
So if Andhra States HC issues a warrant against a person, then its valid everywhere. Also when Andhra Court placed freeze in SOAL accounts, then its applicable through out the country.
The issue here is that some croonies inside Speakasia resort to every way like Cajoling, threatening, bribing, everything to keep their panelist under control. Even if 10% people file FIR.. SOAL will be screwed royally…
@riyfkm: Here’s what I find confusing about the Indian legal system:
Do police have power to initiate lawsuits? Or must civilians initiate a lawsuit THEN the police can take action (like investigate and file FIR)?
From what I understand, CFW filed the lawsuit against SAOL as a “PIL” (Public Interest Lawsuit) but there’s no exact equivalent elsewhere.
In the US there are “prosecutors” on various levels who can initiate lawsuits on the behalf of governments. Does India have something similar?
get your facts right;
1]in Andhra Pradesh the court only vacated a previous STAY and told the CID to go ahead with investigations against SAOL.The judge definitely DID not say go arrest everybody in sight!as was reported by the Andhra media in their local language so that’s why you wont understand it.
2]The PIL by AISPA has been filed in the Mumbai High Court dummies ,asking the court to to distribute the 130 crores in the frozen accounts to the panelists.it also asks why the RBI has not fixed an appointment to meet the management of SAOL despite a previous order of the court instructing RBI to give SAOL a hearing and work within the ambit of the LAW.
3]AISPA is fully supported by 99% of speakasians and we have submitted in court over 20,000 emails showing support.We have hired a prominent PIL lawyer and have paid for it by member contributions.
4]ashok bahirwani is not threatning anyone he is only telling the panelists what is in their larger interests.
5]SAOL has approached the supreme court and is being represented by the topmost lawyer in the country today [cant say the name in this open forum]We are expecting good news by early next week.
6]you would be amazed at the resounding support for speakasia which we are seeing everyday thru phone calls ,mails and networking sites.
7]I know ashok bahirwani personally.He is a wonderful person and working round the clock spending his own money to win this WAR.
8] No religious probverbs are being used sillies.The probverb you are mentioning is a common everyday probverb in India which means -it is usually a family member who will let you down
@anju
1) Neither did this report. If your local Indian papers embellished the report, well, that’s your problem. 🙂
2) Thank you for the clarification about AISPA’s PIL. However, didn’t we read in the papers that it was SpeakAsia that failed to reschedule with RBI?
4) Telling them that they should NOT sue SpeakAsia individually to get their money is in their own best interest? That’s assuming AISPA succeeds, yes? I wish you luck.
5) Given that last SAOL lawyer lasted what? A week? I wouldn’t hold out too much hope for your new lawyer. 😀
6) From members, who were told to trust in SpeakAsia and AISPA because it’s the best way to get their money. Of COURSE they will support you. 😀 Either that or give up.
8) The ORIGIN of the proverb is religious, about the city of Lanka betrayed by a resident. Was it not? Whether you use it now with religious intent or not, the meaning is clear: SAOL and AISPA do not want to see “traitors”.
@anju
Uh, I didn’t suggest otherwise…?
Speak Asia had an appointment but they requested it be postponed (indefinitely?) because ‘Its officials were in jail‘.
If Speak Asia wan’t an answer they need only look at their own actions. Claiming their officials are in jail when just Bajpai is locked up is hilarious.
What about the two CEOs hiding over in Dubai??
Let’s see, 20,000 out of 1.9 (2.2?) million is certainly not 99%.
Why only the signatures of 20,000 and is there any official statistic to backup this claim? Or are you just pulling 99% from thin air?
You mean in his and Speak Asia’s larger interests right? Speak Asia have over 100 million US outside of India. If they wanted to pay people they would have when they had the chance (during the period Kaur siphoned it off and Bajpai being arrested).
Why on Earth not? Is it some sort of state secret, surely the world is entitled to knowing who the best lawyer in India is?
All I see is desperate shills clutching onto the festering carcass of a pyramid scheme. Your global and regional CEO are long gone with your money.
He might be, but that’s got nothing to do with Speak Asia and their pyramid scheme business model.
Either way, along with the idiotic ‘war’ rhetoric, the ‘with us or against us’ attitude of Speak Asia members appears to be escalating. The Speak Asia memberbase along with AISPA are pretty much operating like a corrupt union at the moment.
Hello!
1]SAOL has not rescheduled any meeting with the RBI.AISPA is in touch with the lawyers and we know this.Dont believe everything thats in the news.Indian journalism is the worlds YELLOWest piss.
2]All the FIR’s have the same complaint that the company has not paid up since may.DUH!Aint you guys heard that RBI sent a cautionary circular to the bank.In court the RBI claimed that they never instructed the bank to close the account but merely cautioned it .Well read that letter it’s pretty threatning alright.
3]you cannot keep arresting the same person again and again for the same complaint all over the country.The supreme court has a ruling against this and we will have this along with other reliefs early next week
WATCH THIS SPACE!
WE WILL WIN because SAOL structure falls within the law. Under the existing laws SAOL is safe. So if it is lawful ,who are the buggers complaining?
Dont join if you dont want to. Hold free classes on the streets and warn people about saol. Go crazy over the net complainin’ about us .Scream and Shout, Rant and Rave but there’s no stopping us baby.
@anju
Not good enough, you need source this information. Money Life are quoting ‘panelists‘ in its report, also not good enough but a cut above ‘because I said so’.
And please, no bullshit rants about about Money Life’s credibility. Either provide proof or accept that a meeting might have been rescheduled and you don’t know about it.
And who’s fault is that?! Harendar Kaur pulled over a hundred million US out of India after she got her restraining order against the company. At that point she could have paid Speak Asia members, but she chose not to.
Now management are conveniently overlooking this fact and trying to shift attention on the money left in India. Let’s not forget that
Harendar KaurSpeak Asia still is still in complete control of the panelist’s money that was siphoned out.Address the above point please.
A caution is still not an order to close an account, it’s just that – a caution, no matter how threatening you perceive it to be.
Correction: You’ve applied for precautionary bail. Bajpai and Speak Asia don’t have anything yet.
Ignoringt he non-existent Yug store and irrelevant $20 a week panelist income, an analysis of the income of Speak Asia members will no doubt prove that the bulk of income is purely paid out from membership fees.
This falls within the ‘Prize Chits and Money Circulation Schemes (Banning) Act, 1978’ does it not?
You’re delusional if you think the courts aren’t going to throroughly investigate the income of top Speak Asia members. What do you think all these arrests, office closures and seizures are about?!
all matters related to the Speak Asia case be transferred under one single investigating agency for investigation.
The investigation, be ordered to be completed in a set time frame, and pending such investigation, no further arrests of anybody connected to Speak Asia be allowed.
CHILDREN!
the above is 0ur prayer in the Supreme Court.It is not an anticipatory bail plea.
@anju — it is your only prayer that you won’t get arrested, you mean.
@anju
Apologies, I’m getting my applications mixed up.
That motion was struck down yesterday in the High Court. What makes you think the Supreme Court is going to be any different?!
If anything there’s been a precedent set now hasn’t there?
yuck you guys! get your facts right .No such thing was struck down by the andhra high court.
The andhra court had earlier given a STAY on the pil filed by some assholes called corporate fraud watch. This meant the court had restrained the CID from arresting SAOL officials. Due to some fresh FIRs being lodged {The same complaint ]the court decide to VACATE the earlier STAY thus allowing the CID to investigate.
If you guys want to follow this story please read Mr Ashok Bahirwanis updates everyday on our website aispa.co.in.It should be partially functional by tonight.
When this site was put up for testing it received 16,00,000[16 lac] hits in twelve hours.It is being developed by karnanisoft in pune.Mr Karnani is already getting calls from companies wanting to put their AD’s on this site.Such is the power of 20 lac people on a single platform.
And on what legal basis do you think the Supreme court is going to consolidate all investigations currently pending or active into Speak Asia?
Because you ‘prayed’ for it?
With multiple FIR’s lodged in multiple states and jurisdictions (I assume) and the CID now free to continue their investigations, why would a court stop the police in other states from accepting FIRs from the public and investigating them (they wouldn’t able to investigate them if the court consolidate all investigations under one body wouldn’t they?)
Thus far I haven’t seen a convincing argument that would justify such a ruling by the Supreme Court. If anything, it would appear to be a hinderance to existing and ongoing investigations in that it would no doubt delay their progress in the interim.
Yes I’m sure every pyramid scheme in India is wanting to utilise that adspace… 1.8 million people who believe in the pyramid scheme business model is a wet dream to them.
-since when are google adsense and hdfc bank pyramid schemes?
-the word ‘prayer ‘is a legal term and has nothing to do with my personal prayers regarding your health and safety.
-it is normal for one investigating agency to conduct investigations.Imagine 20 different state agencies stomping all over the place harassing everybody and making a mess..One central agency is enough.
-the lawyer [best in india] who is representing us in the supreme court never touches a case until he is fully convinced about it .
Okay liddleboys that’s enough education for one day.Time to answer the infinite number of supportive mails we are receiving from across the country.
wish me luck !I know ja guys looove me!
They’re not. Seriously, you’re going to rock up to court and use that?
What on Earth does Google Adsense and whatever hdfc bank have to do with anything?
uh… lol? I think you mean ‘religious term’. When you use the word prayer, you inevitably invoke the idea of a personal plea on your behalf. Might want to choose your words more carefully in the future.
But hardly effective, especially if we’re looking at different types of crimes (financial, regulatory, fraud etc.).
‘It’s too hard’ is not a valid justification. As far as I can see the only party that benefits from the consolidation of investigations (not withstanding the freeze on arrests – how can you predict the outcome of the current investigations and whether or not they will warrant future arrests??), is Speak Asia.
That’s simply not a good enough reason for the Supreme Court to grant the request in my opinion.
Still wanting to know who the best lawyer in India is. Without a name and researchable track record anything you say in reference to him is meaningless.
Do you work or are in any way associated with AISPA? Out of curiosity, on what authority and in what capacity are you answering these alleged emails?
And as an aside, how much the ‘the best lawyer in the country‘ cost to represent Speak Asia, and who’s funding it?
Wouldn’t be the panelist’s money would it?
-google adsense and hdfc called karnanisoft because they want their AD’s on this site dimwits.What was unclear about that.
-nobody “WORKS” for aispa we are all concerned panellists and helping in whatever capacity we can.
-can’t name the lawyer because we have been advised not to do so by our lawyers.cant you impatient people wait for a day?
-thank god you’re not a judge in our supreme court!
-the only case in every court is that the company has not paid up since may.how many agencies do you require to answer the same question repeatedly?
-the EOW or CID or anybody’s backside has not CHARGED the company with ANYTHING else.They ‘say’ they have doubts that it is a money laundering operation or a ponzi scheme but they cant CHARGE saol with this as they have no proof till date in spite of three months of investigations.
-SO THERE
Ahahaha, you’re claiming with a straight face that Google Adsense personally requested their ads be placed on the AISPA website?
LOL!
But you are acting in a capacity beyond mere association with AISPA as a regular Speak Asia panelist right?
While we’re at it, who owns AISPA and who’s funding it?
Why? Are they ashamed to be representing Speak Asia? What possible other reason would they care if they were named or not?
And this brings us back to why?… because Speak Asia have had their accounts frozen… why? Because they’re under investigation for running a pyramid scheme (or chit or whatever you want to call it) why?… because they are.
Because they’re still investigating the company. And you slimey buggers are doing everything you can to stall them… and then conveniently pointing at the government and saying it’s all their fault nobody is getting paid. (see above pyramid scheme point) before you predictably answer with ‘well who froze the bank accounts’).
Until these investigations are concluded, you simply cannot assume anything. Stating they can’t charge Speak Asia with anything is misleading.
@Oz and Chang,
SOAL is now a cult. Their members have invested everything and have no option but to hope. They do not believe even a single bit of Information from any of the leading news papers in India… but will blindly believe whatever comes up in their cult websites.
If they don’t believe in the leading news papers then I think, they believe Kasab, is innocent, so is afzal guru and Mumbai terror attacks never happend and our Kalmadi, A Raja, etc are totally innocent… ROFL..
if the leading newspapers did not print news that is factually wrong everybody would believe them. what a stupid argument that if i disbelieve a newspaper that means i disbelieve everything else also .
you can heehaw all you like about google adsense but that wont make you right will it ?
the lawyers name will be in the public domain once he appears in court wont it? where is the question of them being embarrassed?why would they accept the case if they were embarrassed?
anyway you guys are talking mostly swill now so i think it’s past your bed time. nighty night and don’t forget your diapers!
how can anybody OWN an association?an association is any group of people who come together for any common interest whether its a dog lovers association or “I love EOW” association or ours.everybody is an equal participant.
I have clarified before [do your homework people]that it is being funded by voluntary member contribution.Pay as much as you like or don’t pay at all.You will be surprised at how many people are calling up and offering assistance, be it in time or money.
20 lac people paying even rs 100 each[2$]becomes a humunguos amount so don’t worry we won’t be dipping into your pockets.
you can drive yourselves to the moon and back on your ‘cult!cult!’rant but that won’t stop us from democratically fighting for our rights
ASPIRE WITH AISPA!
@ Anju …
Repeatedly HC, CID, EOW have accused SOAL and HC has squashed their PIL. I find funny that you guys still think you are winning??? There are multiple state police lined up to take custody of SOAL officials. Infact Deepankar Sarkar one of the first panelist also is arrested.
And you guys claim one bail application as your victory?? I would say open your eyes.
U told us to wear diapers.. but I guess.. Already…UR Brains and Eyes are covered with Diapers .. LOL
@anju — actions speak louder than words. If you want to throw good money after the bad, so be it.
I believe Chinese have a saying: never hit a dog with meat buns; you won’t get it back. Sounds like that’s what you’re doing.
@anju
Adsense is an opt-in program, they have websites that gets 20,000,000+ visitors an hour in their inventory – and you really want me to believe they created a world first that’s unheard of and called some pissant association in India and demanded you put their ads on your site?
Yeah good one mate. Proof or it’s a complete utter bullshit claim.
So why not just release it now, after all he is the ‘best in the country no? Stop dodging the question.
Probably the same reason Ashok Saraogi did, after running away with 100 million + of panelists money, Harendar Kaur has very deep pockets.
Perhaps ‘own’ was the wrong choice of words, let me rephrase: ‘who’s running things?’
And don’t give me that ‘we’re all equal crap’. The association has to be in someone’s name and has to have a head, or committee that makes decisions on the associations behalf at the least.
Names please.
Pay who? To who is the money going, who’s name are the association bank account registered in? Who is accepting the money on behalf of the association??
@Oz — reminds me of that TVI Express claim that they supposedly hired Grimes and Reese in the US to make themselves legal.
It was NEVER proven, and soon the news just died. Wonder if this will end up the same way?
With Harendar Kaur’s siphoned millions I’m sure somebody will be representing them when this Supreme Court thing is heard.
I’m just slightly perturbed at the gall to claim they’ve got the best lawyer in India… but then refuse to say who. It’d be easy enough to prove with a name, but instead just ends up being yet another unsubstantiated fluff claim from the Speak Asia crowd…
That and I still can’t get over the adsense claim lol.
Well I am a Speak Asian too but I find it hard to believe that Google Adsense really called Karnanisoft to place their ads on AISPA site.
Another thing I can’t understand is why some panelists (I wouldn’t say ‘all panelists’) say that there are 20 lakh panelists. May be they should say ’20 lakh IDs’. ’20 lakh panelists’ is misleading. I think they have forgotten to take into account multiple ids and sub-panels.
Now, fighting this legal battle requires money….a lot of money. Wonder where that money is coming from…..from panelists’ registration fees?
Another thing I can’t understand is that why not one of their so-called clients take pity on SAO and claim that they worked with them (SAO)? Why not one of them have come forward to save SAO?
When I first saw SAO website in May 2010, there was this line which said that they were ‘working with YAHOO PUBLISHERS’. When I signed up in the last week of August, it was gone. Wonder if Yahoo threatened them with legal action?
Even if SAO comes back (if it does….ever), it will soon fizzle out due to their new business plan.
@ K Chan & Oz…
Its a very common trick in India by street crooks.
Two guys in bike will drive fast by some woman and snatch her chain and run off… when she raises an alarm, then some of the crooks cronies would come to their rescue, try to pacify them, act like they are calling the cops, etc etc.. and when finally a small crowd gathers near the victim inquiring, these cronies slip away, there by giving ample time for the actual culprit to drive far away and vanish. Later on they would meet up at a secluded place and share the booty.
Now you guys got the point of all the PIL’s and assurances etc etc???
Now the latest claim is that the petition was withdrawn by Speak Asia themselves and not dismissed.
Apparently it was a ‘strategic withdrawal’ rather than a dismissal. And apparently strategically withdrawing something because you know it’s going to be dismissed is some sort of great victory.
@anju agarwal
“AISPA is fully supported by 99% of speakasians and we have submitted in court over 20,000 emails showing support.We have hired a prominent PIL lawyer and have paid for it by member contributions.”
Then how much percentage of speakasians are represented by Manas Robin who has claimed that he has already email support from 15,000 panelists to file PIL with only the object of recovery of money from SAOL even to the extent of issuing Interpol notice for arrest of Global CEO and Indian CEO who are absconding?
I am supporting Manas with three family IDs. I have also written to RBI not to given SAOL banking facility until and unless they clear all payments of RPs including membership fees of 11k amounting to about Rs3000 crores. I have also written to EoW Mumbai, CID, MCA and RoC.
There is no EoW wing in my State.
Well, I am supporting Manas Robin. Am going to email my SAO details including that of my downlines to him NOW!
where is mamas robin now?he seems to have disappeared from all his favorite haunts.aispa has deposited in court the 20,000 mails we received in three days[that was all the time we had before the pil].what proof does manas have for these alleged 15000 mails?
And if you tell the RBI to stop saol from opening any account then how will they pay you?What is saol pleading in every court?They are saying continue your investigations but meanwhile under the courts jurisdiction please allow payments to be made to our panelists.
So your money is in the hands of the court now, it is the judge who is deciding whether you should get your money or not.Last hearing in court justice ranjana desai in spite of some heavy duty pleading by abbad ponda[phoenix law-rated among the top five in india]said she would take a call on this matter later and deferred the next hearing by two weeks.
It is the justice of the high court who is holding the key to your money so you would be better advised to send 15000 mails to mumbai high court asking them to release your money.
Mr jutamaro[kisko?aapko?]is going to be everybod’s hero when the mess is cleared up.
“Your money”?? Not “our money”??
I have been screaming online for the past two months or so for a different payment method but no one listened to me. I had even sent an mail to SAO but didn’t get any reply. They could have paid us when they still had their website under their control but it seems they have different ideas.
So now if the court says NO to Speak Asia, then I know who will be smiling.
in the supreme court the petition of saol was not withdrawn out of fear of dismissal.The court noted that the application is ‘before time’ and the investigations can be clubbed together after the chargesheet is filed .So the saol lawyers withdrew the petition.
please watch the mockery of the law in this report by the ‘respected’ TV channel headlines today…
look at the GALL of the so called supreme court correspondent to say that the court said ‘you have duped thousands of people’ and further ‘investigations against you must continue’.
Can you imagine a supreme court judge prejudging a petitioner in this way and making such a statement in a case before even a single charge sheet has been filed in any lower court?
Even a layman wouldn’t believe it. Our lawyer had a good laugh about it and said wait well get them later.
There is already a defamation case by saol, against some TV channels in the high court.hey! what happened there?bye gotta findout.
yes I prefer to call it your money because you are standing on a different platform and i don’t identify with you at all.
Yes different platform. I, fighting for our (panelists) money and you fighting for SAO. Unfortunately I am alone.
@Anj — so in other words, your lawyers ****ed up. Is that right? Did they do things OUT OF ORDER? Did they file a petition to dismiss even BEFORE such a case was actually filed?
we are fighting for the panelists money AND saol. It seems some people can multitask.
So how can you say I am standing on a different platform? Is it wrong to ask SAO to pay us using other payment methods?
SAO does not have to register in India. It can very well operate from Singapore and still pay us and in the meantime if it wants, it can apply for a licence to operate in India. Well, it is useless to ask now. The site is not with SAO anymore.
@anj
Nobody cares. It’s completely irrelevant to Speak Asia’s business model, which is why they are being investigated in the first place.
Uh, what kind of messed up logic is that? With criminal investigations ongoing into Speak Asia, why would any money be released?
If the business model is deemed illegal than those funds become the proceeds of crime do they not? If anyone is going to distribute them it will be the government and only at the conclusion of their investigations and any court action I’d imagne.
Releasing any more money to Harendar Kaur is just asking for her to siphon it off to Singapore again and then claim ‘it’s in the best interests of the panelists as it’s out of the reach of the government’ again.
Then the panelists will just return to blaming the government for releasing the money in the first place.
You can send as many silly mails as you want, they will have little to no outcome on the case as it’s basis is the law – not emotional manipulation.
I’ve been hearing stories like this since Harendar Kaur crapped on about it back in May. As of yet nothing has materialised. I’ll believe any defamation suits when I see them presented in court.
Until then, I have no reason not to believe the media (who know full well they are accountable for what they report, as opoposed to Speak Asia and members, whose CEO’s are in hiding.
chang it was a long shot.they just tried okay no harm in that.it doesn’t make saol’s case any weaker or stronger.
dhar i’m so glad your’e alone.i hope you cry into your pillow every night.
the mails are not in least bit ‘silly’.they constitute the basis of our pil in the court.
go check out the website of mumbai high court to find the case against the tv channels.i’m not going to do all the hard work for you.
the media is accountable to whom?in the name of freedom of press they have resisted any regulatory body of the govt for decades now.they are apparently ‘self regulated’which roughly translated means they can bloody well do whatever they like.
Of course they are. Do they in any way shape or form alter Speak Asia’s pyramid scheme business model?
No.
You want me to verify your claims? Whatever.
The law, just as Speak Asia is. They are liable if they publish defamatory content.
And you can’t have it both ways, one hand you claim Speak Asia have filed defamation cases and then whinge about how the media is immune and ‘self regulated’ (which you laughably interpret as being ‘above the law’).
Which is it?
didn’t you watch the video i painstakingly linked above?watch it and then give me an educated unbiased view instead of just coming hammer and tongs against everything.
Can you prove any of it is untrue?
After linking the video you just asked a bunch of rhetorical questions, without offering any proof otherwise.
If you believe a supreme court judge can pass judgements about a case which has not yet gone on trial anywhere in the country[it is in an investigative phase] then you need to get a book called’ simple logic for the mentally challenged’.I can offer no proof of this except for common sense.or speak to your lawyer and ask him if such a thing is possible.he will probably laugh you out of his office.
They didn’t pass judgement, they commented. Judges comment all the time, get over it.
A judgement requires sentencing.
I thought so.
a supreme court judge does not arbitrarily ‘comment’on an issue which has not even been heard.he knows the difference between the the highest court of the land and his living room.
you don’t expect me to haul our lawyer over to your site and swear with his hand over his heart that no such thing happened in court do you?
what you believe is pretty much upto you and nobody really cares okay?so get over yourself.
@anj
Please do, because the media didn’t just insinuate that’s what the judge said, they quoted him or her verbatim.
Right back at you.
what i understand from your postings is that you have sworn to to just negate and negate everything that is said. more power to you !the media can put words into anybody’s mouth be it the supreme court, the EOW , or my mamma .
you wanna stop them? go to court and spend your your whole life fighting a civil case where the result will be known only to your grandchildren.
by the way the’ top five ‘lawyer firm of india will never find it worth their while to come here and present their case to some pissant [back at you] website.
i once again reiterate that google adsence which has five offices all over india contacted our server provider wanting to know which website was coming up and whether they would be interested in google ad’s.
@anj — what I understand is you have thus far provided absolutely NO PROOF supporting your viewpoint or claims. As you have no reputation behind you to support such claims, that leaves you with nothing.
or in other words, why should we believe you?
@anj
That’s nothing more than a convenient cop out.
And another cop out. Speak Asia have all the time in the world to claim that everybody is lying about them despite reports quoting verbatim what was said in court, but refuse to back any of it up with action.
Yet another copout.
Oh please. Prove this or stop pushing this ridiculous claim. Adsense has been around for years and they’ve to date never publicly approached any website in any country and asked for their ads to be placed. Indian traffic is worth peanuts in Adsense and due to the short term viability and narrow scope of a website such as AISPA why the hell would they care about it?
If you want to put Adsense on the AISPA website then do so, it’s an opt-in program. You don’t need to make up bullshit stories about it.
Furthermore they have a strict quality assurance team who would balk at the idea of having their ads on the association website of a company that is effectively a pyramid scheme. They’re advertisers don’t need such negative exposure.
Chand and Oz,
You two guys seems to have plenty of free time for bullshit.
Don’t you have some grey matter or everything has turned black inside your brain?
I can see the same bullshit from your end again and again? You don’t understand or are simply pretending to not understand anything?
To their credit, Speak Asia supporters are producing it like it grows on trees. I can’t speak for Kasey, but I can barely keep up!
And what exactly are we not understanding? Speak Asia’s business model is a blatant pyramid scheme, enough so that even AISPA won’t confirm or deny it (they know it is, they just don’t want to legally implicate themselves either way).
The ‘you just don’t understand’ routine is old and ineffective. Especially when we’re dealing with something as simplistic as ‘recruit others, get a commission’.
check out aispa’s alexa rating!we’re barely a month old!
Yeah cuz… an Alexa ranking means Speak Asia isn’t a scam.
(what is wrong with these people?)
alexa rating just shows the GROWING and GROWING popularity of aispa.
NOT EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING is about scam ,pyramid, ponzi and referral schemes etc.
go back to school -i say -and improve your vocab.
see you on the other side.
That’s all very well, shame AISPA supports a blatant pyramid scheme though.
Of course not, but Speak Asia certainly is.
…of prison? Yes well, cheerio then.
@ Anju…
I still cannot figure this out… 20 lakh families for whom, 4000 rupees pm income from Speakasia matters so much, makes me wonder which company would try to analyze their opinion? Definitely top LCD/LED Tvs manufacturers wouldn’t be targeting them, so why care about their opinion?
And Me wonders which company will pay 20 lakh x 500 = 100 crore … to get only 20 Lakh (including members with multiple IDs). 100 Crore for survey of around 20 lakh IDs… sounds unbelievable…
It sounds like BMW getting the opinion of paupers to target millionaires… did I miss out something????
@Chang & Oz…
I guess… AISPA’s website is so popular… that in the next few months … only by way of ADs… they’ll overtake Apple Inc in terms of revenue..(Who knows they may even buy Apple Inc) … LOL LOL LOL… 😀
Alexa rating is EASILY manipulated through spam. All you need is to hire a botnet:
http://www.searchenginejournal.com/alexa-worthless-easy-to-manipulate/3847/#ixzz1SCUfljHA
You need to go back to school, as you do no research at all.
why should i do research on how to manipulate alexa ratings?
you seem to be doing that pretty well by yourself[i have to wonder why though?]
what is the alexa rating of this site ?
have you guys hired the reqd ‘botnet’?
has it worked for you?
i hardly see any ad’s on your site so maybe you need botnet to give you a helping hand.
once we get ad’s up on aispa the money will be used to set up schools and tube wells in villages.don’t be so envious riffraff none of it will be coming your way.
@Anju — you are claiming Alexa ratings as source of legitimacy, did you not? Let’s see, what was it did you wrote:
Yep, sure did.
Alexa ratings are easily manipulated, so it doesn’t prove anything about popularity of AISPA.
Care to refute that?