Race Cycler launch “a total failure”
When a new scheme comes along touting the matrix cycler business model, upon launch one of two things happens;
- the scheme launches, early promoters pump their money into it and snatch up the lion’s share of what is deposited after – with the scheme slowing and then collapsing a week or two after, or
- the launch is botched and those who were poised to jump in first are left frustrated and angry.
Guess which best describes the recent launch of Race Cycler…
Offering up yet another example of why schemes run by former-affiliates looking to collect a cut of admin fees should be approached warily, Race Cycler was set to open its doors on August 8th.
After heavily hyping up the launch with talk of “in excess of 200,000 verbal commitments” from prospective affiliates, things initially seemed to work after Race Cycler launched.
Those who got in first were going to collect their initial cycle bonuses, things would die down and everybody would then disappear.
A few hours in though and affiliates began to report that signup links had been disabled.
The signup page is temporary disabled, They found some cheaters and they are deleting them from the system. Once this is done the signup page will be enabled again.
We’re losing time, positioning and $.
With everyone left wondering what was going on and painfully aware that the opportunity to get in first was slipping away, affiliates on social media started up the rumour mill:
There were several issues to deal with. One issue was that people were sending in paypal payments before creating their accounts and this caused a real mess. They are now trying to match up payments with accounts.
This can take a while. I think when this is done the signup page will be enabled.
With the sign-in page locked up for over a day, eventually work trickled down that the company was going to re-open signups at 8pm August 9th.
That deadline came and went, with the site finally going live again a few hours after 8.
Paypal was still disabled, with Race Cycler now only accepting deposits through Solid Trust Pay.
That’s not to say things were now running smoothly though,
When you click to pay by STP there is an option to use a credit or debit card…it even says you don’t have to have an STP account to use it.
Problem is, I tried twice to use my preferred card and got a ‘declined’ notice both times…and I know the card isn’t the problem.
Two hours later, the Race Cycler website went down again:
So far this launch has been a total failure. I have not been able to access my account since Friday night.
Now the site can not be found.
Affiliates again began to speculate that servers were being changed, hence the downtime and access issues. Race Cycler themselves then put out an update twenty or so minutes after the site went down, offering up a completely different explanation:
We’ll be back.
We’re busy updating the database for you and will be back soon.
This morning a new message appeared and offered up a bit more information:
Dear Race Cycler Racer,
Many of you awoke up this morning to a server not found or blank server page. The reason being the servers were transferred to a much faster server within the past few days and not all the DNS records have been updated. Due to this inconvenience, we politely ask for your patience as records get updated.
Rest assured, Race Cycler is alive and well! As a matter of fact, the last few days have been enlightening as to the fact that we need to accelerate our efforts in growing as this is a great opportunity and we realize this. We look forward to bringing you a better experience as a result.
Currently, the page displayed on this website is a maintenance page. We apologize for this inconvenience, but it was a necessary step in ensuring that the information we gathered was correct. Your information is secure and if you have a position with us, it will be saved.
We will be letting you know very soon about updates and information as it becomes available.
We thank you for your continued interest and positive outlook in RaceCycler, and look forward to providing the best experience we can provide. From all of us here at the Race Cycler Team, we wish to simply say thank you.
Warm Regards,
Race Cycler Team
Does any of this add up? Not really.
For starters if it was simply a server bandwidth problem, access would have been intermittent. Typically when a site gets hammered it slows down and people have to refresh continuously to gain access.
That wasn’t the case with Race Cycler, rather the problem lay with broken links and payment processor issues.
The site itself never actually went down, it was pulled by the admin and then restored with a maintenance page (likely a feature of the purchased cycler script Race Cycler are using).
As for earlier chatter about databases, that doesn’t make much sense either. Cycler scams use scripts, where everything is automated. Nobody is sitting there manually entering accounts into a database (with the possible exception of pre-launch, where a cycler admin might stack the scheme with multiple accounts belonging to themselves, friends and family).
Looking at the fact that Paypal was used, and that Race Cycler launched on a Friday at 8pm… I think therein lies the actual issue.
Paypal are one of the world’s largest payment processors. They have a strict no-MLM policy which naturally includes Ponzi/pyramid derivatives using similar compensation models.
Being the size they are, no doubt there are several automated algorithms designed to pick up on any suspicious transaction activity taking place on their servers.
Only the naive might actually believe Race Cycler admin Kent Brown’s claim that hundreds of thousands of people had expressed interest in the scheme, but do you think even a fraction of that might trigger Paypal’s suspicious activity algorithm?
This fits with Race Cycler’s ‘we will be letting you know very soon about updates and information as it becomes available’ statement, indicating that they might not be able to do anything about Paypal suspending their account till Monday.
As for Solid Trust Pay, they are notoriously more lax when it comes to providing services to the MLM underworld, however it’s possible a large volume of transfers to a newly created account might have triggered a filter on their end too.
Guess we’ll have to see what happens on Monday going forward.
Meanwhile those who did manage to hand over their $230 are currently left in limbo.
Update 28th January 2017 – The SEC has revealed Race Cycler was a $1.32 million dollar Ponzi scheme. Herman Ronnie Young has settled with the SEC and will pay $342,510 in disgorgement.
Interesting readig… but did not locate any strict no-MLM policy there, but only the sections with general “fair and anti-fraud” statements in
Please, can you give me a link to so called strict no-MLM policy? It seems – legal and fair MLMs (well – quite rare animal like unicorn or yeti 😉 ) are not banned from PayPal.
“Certain multi-level programs” refers to MLM opportunities as we know it (commissions paid out on multiple levels).
There’s not a single one of them that uses Paypal for this reason. There’s a history of Paypal accounts being frozen/shut down without notice for new MLM opportunities that launch with Paypal support.
Product-based MLM opportunities might be alright (single-level commissions with only product-based compensation over multiple levels), but anything that pays money over multiple levels is eventually shut down when they catch wind of it.
OK Oz, thank you. Better to be on the safe side for PayPal.
There is no surprise Race Cycler is in the banned area (well, by description of their business and compensation plan made here). Even the name of the “opportunity” clearly suggests what it is like…
This is a post from a pro – race cycler ponzi player over at the MMG forum (Thunder56)
This is the kind of warped mindset that the ponzi scammers love to see from their sheep! It helps to keep the scam alive.
Where’s Robin now? She was over on the other comment threat telling critics how wrong they where.
Scammerssuk: It is amazing how some of the scammers even scam themselves. Some are “Open Eyes”, their eyes are open to it being a scam, others are “Closed Eyes”, usually convinced it is real or trying hard to convince themselves.
The message that went out last weekend stated the delay with the website was due to ” not all the DNS records have been updated. Due to this inconvenience, we politely ask for your patience as records get updated.”
Being a web developer, I can tell you that this is complete BS. The nameserver changes normally take place instantaneously on most servers, and would never take longer than 1-2 hours on a major upgrade such as this.
While I did not join, when I read that statement, I told a fried that the red flags just went up. Why would they wait until after 200,000 people signed up to change the server?
Since they already adverstised this would be “huge” then why would they not migrate to a server before the launch when it would be much simpler?
Now, with every hour that goes by, signups are reversing their charges and pulling out. This will cause the scheme to collapse upon itself.
So if they did indeed sign up 200,000 people, then they are looking at 200,000 x $230 = $46,000,000 in receipts. That would take time to transfer into an offshore account.
In any case, even if this is legit, the amount of problems they will face from going dark (chargebacks, cancellations, etc.) will be insurmountable. Soon regulators will be involved and then funds will be seized and a trustee will be appointed to redistribute all seized funds.
Not saying they are doing this, but it is suspicious when a program of this size goes dark the day after launch and remains dark for days.
Not a good sign, indeed.
How can it be a failure when I have made 6600 bucks. The failure is Behind MLM for trying to hurt our business model. Kent Brown and Ronnie Young are legit people.
Ask the affiliate who called it that.
I maintain that Race Cycler is just another cycler pyramid scheme. You getting paid by ripping off those who join after you is neither here nor there.
Legitimacy and running cycler pyramid schemes do not go hand in hand.
No one I have signed up has lost money. The 9 people I signed up with have all made money or atleast 230 back. Where is the scam?
Ronnie Young and Kent Brown wants us all make money.
That just means the scheme hasn’t crashed yet.
All pyramid schemes crash. And everyone at the bottom when they do loses money.
At least have the decency to own your participation in a scam.
Racecycler has paid out over 1 million to its IBO’s in it’s first full week.. And just to help everyone out with a site being hit with over 1800 people signing up per second, both stp and paypal had problems backing up into racecycler’s portal..
All great things have their struggles, we will still shortly how it all pays out…(Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempt removed)
And then what, kaboom? Cyclers are front-heavy commissions wise.
Yeah… so uh, this is what happens when you read PR articles. “Portals” have nothing to do with payment processor gateways.
As per my understanding, Paypal quickly gave them the boot and then when they couldn’t get independent CC processing elsewhere they fell back on STP using the common HYIP options.
And your proof of this is what, exactly? Audited bank records? Or just some random cheerleading announcement from your upline?
Where did Steve west say this. The proof?
WOW. I guess we cant rest the case regarding the IQ of people that signup up with these deals. Try looking up at post #12 mikethomson 🙂
Steve and Adelina West, Faraday and crew etc etc,, New deals every 6 months. Not sure how you can keep hyping that crap up. How can one deal be more exciting than the next?
How do you keep lying to people and getting away with it? Seriously? HOW in the HELL do you convince people that something new is so great when you told them that the last one was the best thing in the entire universe?
I know ethics and integrity went out the window a LONG time ago but how to you possibly have any spine or credibility left? How does it feel to work with bottom feeders and swim around in a toilet bowl full of half wits who have the IQ’s of a frog?
To Bruce Deery: Hey man, if you CHOOSE to play chess with retards, you cant get mad when they eat the pieces 🙂
Race Cycler has paid out that much by this weekend for sure. We are still growing and grow really fast is what I have been told by Race Cycler leaders.
Common Sense the names you mentioned have all made money in networking big money. Steve and Adelina are legit as it comes. Faraday is willing help anyone make money.
Ruh roh…
We have over 4,000 members.
Compared to what?
@mikethomson in post#12 Steve west states 1800 peeps sign up every second…
And you say there are 4000 members? So what…peeps signed up for 2 seconds?
Assuming there were 1800 signing up for a whole hour…the TTL would be 108,000 Ruh roh’s…the simple math in these schemes do not work at all.
Did RR pay out over 1 million in the first week…you say there are 4000 members?
4000 x $230=$920,000.
He probably means there are 4000 in the group HE is in. Although, that doesnt make them any smarter, or make the math work any better YO.
1800 per second huh? Thats 6.5 million per hour. But I guess you cant expect a “cycler” person to understand something as advanced as 3rd grade math.