Sixfigurechicks.com – Why you need to avoid it
If you’re ready to embark on an adventure that will change your life then contact us immediately.
It will be the best move you’ll ever make!
You can see the ads for these kind of ‘businesses’ anywhere. They could be on a street sign as you drive past, in the backpages of a newspaper or these days even on the television.
The premise is always the same, promise or suggest big earnings but never disclose the actual work involved.
Why?
Because the affiliate/member/seller/sucker/whatever loses the sale if you’re given enough information to go home and google whatever it is they’re peddling.
They only get money via direct sales so it’s all about intriguing you to either contact them with an enquiry so they can first screen you and then make the hard sell.
This is why there’s hundreds of websites and youtube videos set up begging you to enter your contact details so that ‘we can get in touch with you to have a chat’.
What they really do in these chats is try to ascertain how much you want to make money and what depths your willing to sink to in trying to reach these goals.
Sixfigurechicks.com is one such company that has gone one step further and started to advertise on tv during the daytime targeting stay at home mums.
So what are they really about? What’s involved? Let’s find out.
Their marketing promises giant incomes on the back of hard work but tell you nothing about what you will be doing. Here’s an example of what you might have seen airing on Channel 10 recently;
Liberty League International have been in Australia now for about two years and have been operating in the US for eight. They involve selling motivational ‘self improvement’ products to people for ridiculously inflated prices and affiliates then make money based off a split commission.
What is left after your commission is then split between your uplines (people who recruited you) and that brings us to how the real long-term money is made.
Like any MLM/pyramid scheme the idea is that in addition to your direct sales the more people you have working under you pushing money your way the exponential your earnings become.
The idea is that with enough suckers underneath you, you won’t have to do any real work other then answering a few phone calls and giving the standard bullshit motivational speeches to get your lemmings back out into the field trying to sell the product.
So what is the product Sixfigurechicks are selling?
Sixfigurechicks operate under the Liberty League International banner. They have three main products you will be selling to other people.
Beyond Freedom
A 90 day home study course called Beyond Freedom for US$1,495 (AUD$1912). Out of the initial US$1,495 you take home US$1,000 (AUD$1279) or 66% of the sale.
Liberty Conference
A 3 day conference called the Liberty conference for US$7,995 (AUD$10,230). Out of the initial US$7,995 cost you take home US$5,000 (AUD$6,397) or 62% of the sale.
Summit Conference
A 5 Day conference called the Summit conference for US$12995 (AUD$16,628). Out of the initial US$12,995 cost you take home US$8,000 (AUD$10,236) or 60% of the sale.
On top of this there is a US$49.95 joining fee to become an associate. As an associate you are now ‘qualified’ to start selling Beyond Freedom but your first 5 sales are completely passed up to your uplink (as in you make $0, nada, zip).
You can reduce the number of sales passed up by purchasing Beyond Freedom yourself. If you do this you only are required to pass up your first two sales of Beyond Freedom.
After meeting this goal you are then qualified to start selling the Liberty conference and after buying into the conference and/or passing up however amount of your first sales you are then able to sell the Summit conference.
Eventually you are ‘free’ and the hunt begins to start getting others under you selling as this is where the real money is made.
As I mentioned earlier the rest of the money is then sent back to Liberty League international where it is then divided between your upline, the people who referred you and then the people that referred them and so on right up to the top.
Do you understand now why none of these ads advertise exactly what you will be doing? Having people under you is more valuable then any of the products they are selling.
Once a product is sold a once off profit is made and unless the affiliate can convince the buyer to join, the profit is then gone. However for each lemming you have under you selling, as an affiliate this can be a regular source of passive income for as long as they are in the program.
And this is exactly what everyone is after, a large passive income.
What’s involved in these conferences or the 90 day home study course I’m not sure. I presume it’s the usual
‘are you motivated people?’
‘yeah.’
‘I can’t hear you. I SAID ARE YOU MOTIVATED PEOPLE?!’
‘OMGWTF YEAH!’
*cue aerobics techno*
‘ALRIGHT THEN EVERYBODY HOLD HANDS AND MASTURBATE EACH OTHER OFF! YOU’RE ALL SUPERSTARS!’
type affair where you leave with just enough motivation to get out there and try and sell some more before crashing again and having to go to another conference for a quick fix.
The reality you’re pretty much right where you started except your predisposition of desperateness has made you more susceptible to flashy lights and big promises.
This is ideally where your upline wants you, gullible and dependant. Congratulations you’re the perfect cash cow.
Remember one of the basic principles of these programs is if the product doesn’t sell it’s not the product, it’s because you aren’t motivated enough to succeed.
We only work with the most highly motivated and positive people. You need to have huge personal and financial goals. You have to have the hunger to generate substantial income in the next 6 to 9 months.
What this really means is that they’re after people so desperate they are willing to believe anything and sell to anyone.
Your friends, your family, random people in the supermarket the more the merrier. Get out there and sell sell sell improve people’s lives.
Think about this very long and very hard before committing yourself to Sixfigurechicks – Do you really want to be that type of person?
So glad you are exposing this kind of shameless scam. I hope people will realise that there is no short cut to success, it’s all about following your passion, working hard and persevering.
Thank you so much for writing this. I think you will save many people a lot of heart ache.
Keep up the good work, Annabel Candy
Theres two more adds on tv at the moment pushing the same company. uxl and nowucan2. Beware…be very aware!!
Thanks for the heads up Martin!
I’ve used your information to do some more research and written a massive followup ‘Liberty League, how bad is it in Australia?‘ exposing these guys as partners all pushing the same product.
I’ve found your 2 posts on LLI.. pretty damn funny. !
I’ve been involved with this company for over 3 years..
it’s not a scam… no-one took my money and ran.
it takes work, it takes commitment to work for yourself in a home office and have success.
I’m greatful to have found this opportunity…I didnt have the cash resources to start a traditional business. and I’m glad now that I didnt!
in 12 months I left my corp desk job of 10 years and have been at home ever since to see my 4 year old daughter everyday. how many of your readers and even you can say that?
What more do you want.?
I think your next complaining article should be about the franchise business model…
How about this for a headline.”man pays 400,000 for J.O.B!”
Get the facts on how terrible franchising can be..
Or here’s another one you’ll love personally..
“why you should never leave your job”.. you could write about how easy it is to sit back and just watch other people succeed and then complain about it.
I hope you find happiness in something,
Mark – USA
bye-the-way.. I think amazing your writing about scams and marketing pitfalls… your just using all this trash talking as a way to generate traffic for the “mlm exposed banner” above..
your a marketing slime ball like the rest of us..
I feel better now..
have a great day!
Maybe Mark – USA can tell us how much he is making and his costs to make it! Only 3% of associates of Liberty League International make $150k+ and this accounts for 45% of all sales! 85% make an average of $13,123.92. Taking into account product purchases of US$22,500, expensive and very competitive marketing and other ongoing costs that translates to 85% not making any money at all or in substantial debt! Only the top of the food chain survive and feed off the others, particularily the associates that started early on. Yes there is money made in the business, but at what expense? in the current economic climate it is nothing short of evil.
And good on you Oz for exposing this company. I have been trying to get the word out (for no financial gain I might add) but most of my comments have been censored/deleted by various people in Liberty League. What ever happened to free speech!
I’m not directly affiliated or running any of the sites Google serves up in the adsense areas of this site. They try to match their ads to my content and that’s what you see.
My success or failure isn’t tied into the Adsense’s advertisers.
You seem to have a chip on your shoulder regarding franchises, comparing a dodgy franchise model to the slightly less dodgy franchise model of Liberty League doesn’t make LLI’s scam any less dodgy then it is.
You guys are selling a business model and not any actual products (cmon really who apart from potential fellow franchisers are attending conferences for over ten grand?), every person you recruit is then your competition once you’ve received your cut of their initial sales. How is that even remotely sustainable?
If you’re happiness is spending time with your daughter at the expense of being a ‘marketing slimeball’ as you put it then best of luck to you. I personally think it’s a scummy way to make a living.
Another good read!!
scam.com/showthread.php?t=118634
Thanks for your continued interest and research Martin, I really appreciate it.
You can expect more on these guys from me in the future.
My pleasure mate.
Really enjoying the liberty forum on ning. I came across a classic post earlier. The poster was writing about how a group of members recently had a coffee morning with one of the big earners in attendance. The question was asked as to exactly what this big earner had advised the group to do as regards building their business….
The three main tips…….
wait for it……..
are you sitting down?
1. Visualise success and it will happen
2. Get on the calls
3. Dont focus on the money going out, focus on the money coming in!!!!!!!!!
Now I may be a bit cynical here but if I were to pay a couple of grand for joining a company to basically resell its overpriced products, I would be pretty dissappointed if that was the best advice I was offered as regards growing my business.
The worst thing about the whole episode above is that all the following posters simply lapped it up saying how fantastic the advice was and how lucky they were to be part of this ‘wonderfull company’
I would have got better advice from my 9 yr old!
Watch this space!!!!!!!
Yes I have opened the chat facility but it is surprisingly quiet…maybe they’re all to busy making money!!
If you click on the members header. there’s a search facility where you can have great fun searching words like ‘finance’ ‘loans’ etc., … some great posts from some very desperate poor souls.
Im half thinking of posting some sticky questions as in “How much money do you make?” just to see if I get any replies.
Will keep you posted.
I too have been reading the ning forum and it’s various sub category channel thing and it’s interesting reading from a critical perspective.
If anyone’s wondering Bugmenot do have a section for Ning disposable logins. Note that the username is an email address and then use the respective password provided. I used the first one on the list and it’s fine.
Ning don’t have anything to do with Liberty League but if your like me the less you have to sign up for the better. Have you entered the live chat linked off the bottom? I’m kinda little bit worried to try it, I think the blinding positivism might explode my eyes.
A couple of comments on your initial post. To qualify to make the profits from the confernce, you have to have bought a ticket yourself or pass up a number of sales. So a lot of the training is a sales pitch about how you have to get to a conference as that is where the ‘real learnings’ take place. So of course if you are committed, you sign up and pay the big bucks… and of course you wouldn’t want to miss out on all the profits of the conference sales you’d have to pass up if you don’t.
In the Beyond Freedom program, you get cds and a dvd, and a lot of the content is from associates in the business talking about how great the program is and how you have to get to a conference… more sales pitch so you sign up.
And yes, if you’re not successful, its pitched back at you that you’re not visualising or goal setting properly… or it’s because you haven’t been to a conference and so aren’t totally committed.
These people are very, very good at the sales pitch… it’s scary!!!
I was going to trash the above comment as spam (which it is) but I thought instead I’d let it stand to illustrate the marketing vagueness Liberty League associates always have.
Since you’re not specific I’m going to assume the 200 business owners are Liberty League Associates and when you say arrange advertising you mean promote their business under the Six Figure Chicks banner. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure that’s what you’re getting at.
With 200 associates under your belt it’s no wonder you’re doing well. Congratulations.
You could have addressed other readers of this post or me directly but instead you chose to simply post a sales pitch (which was crossposted to other sites too I might add).
Is there a reason you can’t go into your amazing story here or is it bundled with a sales pitch over the phone only?
Jenny, that is so true. On all “training” calls the new associates are welcomed and congratulated, told they are the most important people in the business, then the focus is on stepping up and becoming a leader. No actual training on the call. Rachel Oliver will be on the call and tell all the newbies that her business EXPLODED after attending her first conference. Or another “leader” will say how they were down to there last dollar eating 2-minute noodles from their hotel room, but as if by miracle when returning home after the conference another EXPLOSION. It is all about selling the products and conditioning the newbies to ignore friends and family’s concerns. It has been likened to living in a parallel universe, detached from reality.
Wow, I just love how you get a post from ‘Six Figure Chicks’ who manages to post the same tired speil that is plastered about and STILL there is no mention of some marvellous product that everyone needs and only this company can provide. Hmmm. I don’t need to sell bullshit to some poor sucker so they can pass the same on to the next fool for a profit. Of course, sitting on your rear while ‘underlings’ pass their profits to you probably appeals to many people, which is more a sad comment on society I guess.
Hasn’t Australia outlawed the MLM marketing schemes?? Where on earth are the regulatory commissions to remove this nonsense from the tv?
Thanks for your write-up Oz, I have been curious about these mysterious wealth-generators fo a while now.
I called the ACCC yesterday and they have noted my concerns, they advised MLM is legal here and because Liberty League have “products” they are not technically a pyramid scheme. The ACCC advised to lodge a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission http://www.ftc.gov as they are a US based company.
Well mate, I’d say, considering the rate of new member sign ups at liberty league life in the past five or six days, her ‘thousands of enquiries’ has dried up a little. If thats down to what people are reading here then maybe, just maybe people are thinking twice about these ‘opportunities’.
Well done!
I guess her legal team is going to be busy
Austech – Another scam on tv
Last night I received an email from Six Figure Chicks threatening legal action unless I removed her personal information and images featured in the above post.
Despite not being legally entitled to do so I felt it was a fair request given that she’s now set her domain registration to private and the copyright ownership of the images is questionable.
I’ll let you draw your own conclusions as to why she threatened legal action.
I’ll keep you guys updated on any developments.
I’m in the process of complaining formally to Foxtel about UXL/sixfigurechicks/ucan2 adverts for questionable scheme/scam adverts. Quite probably a breach of their code of ethics.
Its bad enough paying to watch adverts without having this crap foisted on me!
Process is:
Call them on 131 999 to register complaint
Speak to team leader
Write to customer advocate.
I was advised by WA ScamNet at the Department of Commerce after going to ACCC etc.
Only after going through the provider (Foxtel) then ASTRA can you get some attention.
If others start this process we might get some attention.
“If others start this process we might get some attention.”
Im in for one! Complaint on its way.
Just noticed that some of the ‘heavy players’ (leaders) have been logging in to Liberty League Life. Is it possible that the word is getting out there and the ‘clean up squad’ have been assembled to seek and destroy the enemy?
You been on the sauce??
Do uh… Foxtel accept complaints from people who um don’t have foxtel?
Nah I’m at work.
Just trying to not sound sheepish as it’d be an awkward conversation if they checked.
‘omg scam scam scam you guys have to do something!’
‘certainly, what’s your foxtel username’
‘uh….um…this is mister foxtel.’
*click*
‘…hello?’
Came accross a link to the six figured ladies that is interesting…If you notice in the photos of the sixfigurechicks below, some of them appear in the adds on tv for nowucan2.com.au and uxl.com.au
What is the point in running three different adds for three ‘different’ companies if the respondees are ultimately going to be dealing with the same people??? Doesn’t make a bit of sense. Any thoughts?
sixfigurechicks.com/thankyou.html
Yeah it’s the Brisbane associate cartel, I covered it a bit in the ‘How bad is it in Australia‘ piece linking them all together.
Do a search of Emerald passport and ACCC and another mob is in trouble with thier self development crap which I reckon is too late for many who forked out money for something they can get for free.
I’ve just spoken to ACCC Scam Alert and made an official complaint about why in my opinion Liberty League fits their definition of an illegal pyramid scheme… would be the overpriced products that are difficult to sell, and the fact recruitment is the main aim.
They have advised to get as many people as possible who have lost money to also call them, as well as ASIC. Please, please do this if you have looked into the business and think it is wrong, or you are like me and have joined and have a personal experience of losing money.
The two numbers are:
ACCC Scam Alert 1300 302 502
ASIC 1300 300 630
They want company names to associate with the complaint… I gave them Liberty League as well as Six Figure Chicks and Rachel Oliver Enterprises
ASIC couldn’t find Liberty League as being registered with ASIC, although the ACCC said they were… if anyone knows how to find Liberty Leagues Australian ACN or if you talk to ACCC and they look them up and find it, let me know so I can add it to my complaint.
Please share if you make a call so we know action is being taken.
I don’t think Liberty League would hae an acn would they?
They themselves as a standalone company don’t directly operate in Australia, only as business franchises?
(This is one area I’m not to cluey on though so I might be wrong)
Six Figure Chicks trades through Global Events and Sue and Jerry Smart through ‘smarties enterprises or investments, can’t remember now I’m at work and cant check) and they have some numbers, you can punch in ‘Global Events’ and see them.
I am in the process of writing my formal complaint to the ASIC. Liberty League don’t have an ACN so are somewhat protected but complaints can be made towards the companies operating here under the wings of LLI. Some of the big names are:
RACHEL OLIVER ENTERPRISES PTY LTD
SMARTIES INVESTMENTS PTY. LTD.
KJA ENTERPRISES PTY LTD
GLOBAL EVENTS
These companies have ACN’s and the ASIC take all complaints seriously and will investigate if they are operating as a pyramid scheme. Liberty League has “products” so that is a bit of a loophole, but the products do not have stand alone retail value and the company’s focus is on recruitment. Even their disclaimer which must be on all marketing websites since the last class action in th US, states that
THERE ARE NO REQUIRED PRODUCT PURCHASES TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM.
Taken from http://www.scamwatch.gov.au
What is a pyramid scheme?
Pyramid schemes are illegal and very risky ‘get-rich-quick’ schemes that can cost a lot of people a lot of money.
Promoters at the top of the pyramid make their money by having people join the scheme. Then they pocket the fees and other payments made by those who join under them.
In a typical pyramid scheme, a member pays to join. The only way for the member to ever recover any money is to convince other people to join up and to part with their money as well.
In contrast, people in legitimate multi-level marketing earn money by selling genuine products to consumers, not from the recruiting process. Be aware though, some pyramid scheme promoters disguise their true purpose by introducing products that are overpriced, of poor quality, difficult to sell or of little value. Making money out of recruitment is still their main aim.
People often hear about pyramid schemes from friends, family or neighbours. Normally, pyramid schemes recruit members at seminars, home meetings, over the phone or even by mail. Now email, usually as spam, is increasingly used to recruit members as well.
For the scheme to work so that everyone can make a profit there would have to be an endless supply of new members. In reality, the number of people willing to join the scheme (and therefore, the amount of money coming into the scheme) dries up very quickly. When the pyramid collapses (and they all do) relationships, friendships and even marriages can be destroyed over money lost in the scam.
In Australia, it is against the law not only to promote a pyramid scheme, but even to participate in one.
The above sounds awfully familiar….
Wow i had been canvased by my friend about 8 weeks ago regarding lib league, we are into property investments,so i think i was his first test call,
and the speal he gave me mirrored what has been written on this page and the “wrong with oz page” as soon as i heard it alarm bells strait away!!!!! ,
he has gone in “full boat” all the way so i thought i might have a closer look omg scam scam scam, but there is no telling him that, these people must be really good, usually you could’nt get him to buy you a coke let alone part with 20 large, so i will be calling the accc on monday to voice my concerns, the thing with it is, people are failing to see they are not the only ones doing it, dont they get that to sell to suckers first they must become one themselves, we were going away with them this weekend, and there were others coming think i feel sick thanks LL you did change my life……
I lodged my complaints with ACCC and ASIC today, and they have also advised I make a complaint with Dept of Fair Trading in my state, and that I encourage others to do the same.
They did advise that they probably couldn’t take much in the way of action, but would look at listing Liberty League on the ScamWatch website. So please make your complaints to the various depts, and keep up this forum… this must be hurting people.
Hi guys, just saw the ad and was saying to my husband what a good ad the six figure chicks ad is… it grabbed my attention, there are always alarm bells when they omit to tell you what they do to earn their money.
The only other people that do that are hit men! (ha!) I put my name down for someone to give me a call, but wished I’d read this first.
Oh well, I don’t have $20K to throw about and will stick to my own home base business.
I always keep my ear to the ground though, because it is companies like this that can ruin home based businesses for other people.
I know before I joined mine I sifted high and low, went over the cotract with a fine tooth comb to find a scam and there wasn’t one.
Just a genuine interest in the product and a little hard work.
Yeah, I also put my name down to be contacted – wish I’d checked these comments first.
Hi Guys,
Thanks for the info. Went to the Franchising Show at Melbourne Exhibition Centre on Friday and they are flogging this program under the name of MindsetMovers.com and yes that Rachel features on their website.
Thanks for the heads-up, I won’t be touching this with a barge pole
Barry
I signed up to be contacted and felt the hard sell on the first call. Leonie from Harvey Bay Queensland thought I would be a great candidate but once I realised that it was a pyramid scheme I quickly severed contact with the group. Had several emails to encourage me to talk to them but refused to reply. Wish I had read all this first. Keep up the good work in exposing this scheme.
Barry,Penny, be sure to point your friends and family to this forum and lets get rid of shysters like Liberty League once and for all. Theres also an active forum at http://www.forums.whirlpool.net.au where there are some other great sources of info on the topic.
Its fantastic to see that people like Oz are steering ‘victims’ away from these scams.
My wife asked me to look into sixfigurechicks last night, and we’re glad we found this site. We’ve been down this path before with good ol’ Amway. Same deal, same mind-warping worship of the Almighty dollar. Yay, go Direct! go Diamond! Go take a flying leap at a rolling donut. Another wonderful opportunity to avoid like the plague is a venture called StoresOnLine. I attended a seminar in November last year, with the promise of a free meal and a free iPod. The free meal consisted of cold meat (at least I think it was cold meat, it might have been an old Nike in-sole) and we had to send $9.95 P&H off to receive our free iPod which, surprise, surprise has never arrived. Learned that this venture has been indicted by the ACCC several times, but they still managed to suck money out of a lot of people that night who signed up for their conference, training course or whatever. These type of people are no better than the average thugs who hold you up at knife point and should be treated with the same contempt – except that with a thug at least you know what you’re getting in exchange for your money – your life, which is more than what you get with the likes of six-figure-rip-offs.
If you are going to bash Liberty League then you should be acurate in the details that you publish, because what has been written on this site is far from correct and you are wide open to be sued with a class action just launched by Liberty League. I will be reporting this site for investigation. There is no upline profit sharing. There is no profit sharing at all. The system is more like drop shipping where you sell wholesale and remit retail. Yes you need to make 2 training sales and when this is done all the profit is in your own bank account directly. This has created many millionares in Australia already and is now reaching Malaysia with China the next logical market. Malaysia is English speaking so the potential income if joining now is enormous.
So uh…what um happens to the money from uh your two training sales (or 4 if you don’t buy the products)?
Where does this training sale money go?
Maybe these are the “class actions” lawsuits that Simon was referring to:
Liberty League International, LLC v. Tina Fields
Liberty League International, LLC v. Jennifer M. Lawlor
Here is some info:
In each lawsuit, Liberty League International claimed that the defendants wrongfully infringed the trademark LIBERTY LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL by cyberstuffing trademarks into the defendant’s web pages to divert traffic away from Liberty League. In the arbitration proceeding, Liberty League claimed cyber squatting for the wrongful registration of the domain name libertyleague.us with a bad faith intent to sell the domain. In both lawsuits the defendants agreed to settlement offers admitting liability and resulting in permanent injunctions against the defendants. In the arbitration, preceding a neutral arbitrator found for Liberty League ordering the domain name be transferred as requested.
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If I set up a domain called libertyleaguetruth for example and did an “unbiased review” of the LLI business then went off to sell something similar with a more favourable review such as lifepath on the website along with truckloads of ads with LLI (trademarked name) on it, I would be asking for trouble.
Also,
Simon, substantiate the claim please.
Many millionaires in which currency exactly…Yen possibly?
So you’ve screwed the Aussies for all their worth and now you’re moving on to China??… Good luck with that idea…I can see the Chinese Government welcoming you lot with open arms… Grow up mate and stop ripping your fello human beings off
The details in this site are quite accurate actually. I was with Liberty League for 12 months and have shared my actual experience as have quite a few others here. Oz is doing a great job and yes the profit from your 2-5 training sales goes to your advisor/upline.
How about you post your website for us to check how accurate/compliant it is. No selling, telling or explaining?
3-5 hours a day. Yeah right, pull the other one.
This is accurate Simon:
I joined Liberty League.
I invested $17100.35 for the products and advertising
I received $2353 income
After 4 months in the business and with only 1 Beyond Freedom profit sale to my name, my advisor (a leader in the business) told one of the associates I had introduced into the business (who she was Liberty and Summit advisor to) that she would not do his 3-ways and that I had to do them. So much for not having to do any selling.
I then decided I couldn’t continue to pursue a business that is promoting financial freedom when 85% of active associates earn an average of $13,123.92.
Where did you get these figures? I have bought Beyond Freedom and I am having serious doubts. But I can still return it once I have recieved it. I have 2 friends who have made quite alot of money from it, one on target for $150k in a month. So that is enticing but something doesn’t feel right for me. My husband thinks it is just like scientology?
Since you only need to work 2 to 3 hours a day you will have plenty time to read through the posts at whirlpool…. you may wish to report this also!http://truelibertyleaguelife.blogspot.com/2009/03/my-first-liberty-league-sale.html
Which figures? The 85% figure comes from the Income Disclosure on the Liberty League website.
The other figures come from my tax return…. did I make a business loss this year… YES!
I hope you know that you only have 10 days from the date of shipping to return Beyond Freedom. With a conference ticket you only have 3 days from purchasing to request a return, which generally keeps you in the land of “rose coloured glasses’ for just long enough.
For eveyone’s information, you may not know that when you buy a conference ticket, you have to pay an additional $US500 to transfer registration to a subsequent conference if you don’t go to the next one that is available. Does $500 sound a bit much for doing nothing????????
Speaking of refunds… Whats not made clear either is the fact that if you sell a Beyond Freedom Programme and the buyer returns it, YOU as the seller do not get any refund on the product… you get a credit towards your next sale.
How do you like the sound of that??
Now. Imagine if you sold a ‘Full Boat’ at $23kish …. the buyer decided to pull out… the money you forwarded to Liberty League (wholesale cost) would not be refunded, but credited towards the next sale. So for whatever time it takes , Liberty League now have about $9k of YOUR money happilly gaining interest.
WHAT A SCAM!
Ooops… meant to copy, not send.
Michelle.
Your husband is a shrewd man.
OMG I didn’t know that… and I was in the business… that is amazing and such a SCAM.
Jenny how did you get out do you have to write a letter. I think I just need to cut my losses, can I claim my losses against my tax? J hope my friend is ok about it I know my husband will be ecstatic. I don’t think I can make the business work with my own doubts. Attending super saturday I think will just get me caught up in it more. Anybody got anymore revelations. Can I get a refund on my associate costs,conference calls or the unified wealth solutions?
Just like Omegatrend….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omegatrend
Unfortunately I don’t think you’ll get a refund on anything other than Beyond Freedom, and if you haven’t received it yet I’d return to sender as the best option rather than accepting delivery.
When I joined I was excited, motivated, and determined to make the business work. I spent heaps on advertising, I did the 6 daily activities, I followed the system of following up with leads, getting people on calls and doing 3-ways, and I signed up for the Liberty Conference.
The initial problem was that it was costing me so much to get a Beyond Freedom sign up, the $1000 profit wasn’t covering my expenses. So you really do have to be Liberty and Summit qualified to make money. My one and only BF profit sale didn’t buy a conference ticket, and didn’t really get into the business so I didn’t get his 2 sales passed up to me. So I quickly realised I had to spend more and more to get more BF sign ups, and you HAVE to get them coming in with a conference purchase quickly to make some profit.
I also realised that my business was growing so slowly that if anyone did buy a conference ticket from me, they’d be expecting me to sell 4 more so they would get qualified, and I knew that wasn’t going to happen. I wanted the sale for the $5K profit I’d make, knowing it wouldn’t put them in a position to make that themselves as I didn’t have the numbers in my downline. My one profit sale was my downline.
So I decided I had to get out and realise that I had made a bad investment and to cut my losses, rather than trying to recoup them from other people, as I could no longer promote the business in good faith.
According to compliance you have to write a letter to resign as an associate. When I asked for a refund for my Liberty ticket, they deactivitated my account, against compliance procedures I might add.
Yes Michelle, Just to back up Jennys post and to clarify what I posted earlier regarding refunds… You, as the customer, will/should receive a full refund from your friend for the return of the Beyond Freedom product.
Your friend however will only receive a credit to her ongoing account with Liberty League head office, in the amount of the wholesale cost, so will be out of pocket by that amount for however long it takes for her to sell another BF programm.
The more you investigate and research present and past associates of Liberty League, the more you will find that the only ones making the money, are the same few dozen or so people that keep popping up everywhere with their glorious testimonials and incredible stories … funny thing though… most of them rarely ,if ever, appear on the leaderboard.
It may be my pc but…. http://www.sixfigurechicks.com and http://www.uxl.com.au appear to be off line?????
Quotes:
“If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is!” ACCC/Scamwatch
“Never give a sucker an even break” W C Fields.
“To Be Is to Do” Aristotle
“To Do Is To Be” Jean Paul Sartre
“Do Be Do Be Do” Frank Sinatra
If people like Michelle and other associates doubting the whole SFC business go and look at http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1206044 for information and for others that have also been stung by the whole SFC “business”. Vent some anger/frustration over it as there’s a lot of people willing to listen. Just remember you’re not alone and as people, we all make mistakes. These “business” people know just the right chords to strike and most people like the idea of gaining something for not a whole lot of work so the temptation is always there. There’s always going to be someone out there willing to hurt other people in the name of profit.
Yes, appears that sixfigurechicks.com is off-line for now. And, Martin, you are correct about the same names showing up on the leaderboard. There were about a dozen or so that I would see week after week, and sometimes a few new folks too. Funny though, Tony Rush, if I remember correctly, showed up once or twice during the 8 or so months I was on board. I always wondered about if he was a paid spokesperson in LLI, because he seems to speak out on many forums as well as being the creator of the LibertyLeagueLife.ning site. He is also part of the UWS system that provides generic websites and on-line training for associates that are part of the downline of the Lavenia’s. At $20/month, and who knows how many subscribe, that is a decent amount of money of residual income. It is shared also with Wendy Stevens and Gene Braxton.
It is interesting, I found out much later on during my time with LLI, that the Lavenia’s do make money on their downline, and very deep into that line. There is residual income made from associates, no matter how far down the pipe-line when they attend either conference. I don’t remember the amounts, but it is fairly substantial. It works like this: JOhn and Shannon sign up and pay full retail price for the Liberty or Summit conf as soon as it is announced, or within 2 weeks. Then, every associate/advisor that goes, they make a cut, unless, one of their advisors who might have a big enough team going to a conference does the same (pays full retail within 2 weeks of the announcement). So, to me, that follows the guidelines of this business being MLM, yes? They may receive a check for $50,000 on upward each conference, not bad! So, they have much at stake for any associates that are part of their downline to go, and especially if their advisor has not built up his/her team. Even better for them, because they collect more.
Interesting comments Lynn.
One thing about Mr Rush that annoys me immensly are his ‘cut and paste’ articles that he constantly spews out to the members of LibertyLeagueLife.ning mostly encouraging new members to basically ‘spend money to make money’
Ning is a free service so if he is so wealthy, why is he using a free site for his forum?
His website is awfull, obviously put together by an amateur. Again, if he is that wealthy, why the crappy site
?
There’s no doubt that he is paid by Liberty League unless he makes his money from the constant affiliate links that he shoves down peoples throats with every word he writes. He certainly cannot be relying on sales from LL products for a living.
I love how all the ‘leaders’ put their sob stories on their websites when in fact most of them have simply come accross from some other ‘failed’ attempt with some other long forgotten mlm scam.
You’ve got to love John Lavennias book title… “Integrity is Everything” Yes John… is that supposed to be tounge in cheek or what??
I’m not 100% sure but I vaguely remember reading that Tony Rush was part of Liberty League’s marketing dept? He markets them and seems to be charged with building a positive online reputation for the company.
Thank God for you wonderful people!! I have been watching the ads for sixfigurechicks on foxtel and thinking wow!, this could be for me!! Thankyou so much for saving me from myself and these disshonest, greedy people. Foxtel has lost enormous credibility in my eyes now. Were they paid to advertise I wonder???? It all seems very suspicious. If I were Foxtel, I would be distancing myself immediately. Shame on you Foxtel!! Surely your reputation is worth more than this???
Liz and everyone else. Just keep in mind that there are alot more of these type websites operating under the Liberty League International banner
If you hear any mention of Liberty League, run for your lives!!
Thanks Martin.I will just follow the old saying from now on………..”If it sounds to good to be true………..”>
Hey Michelle.
Interested to know….Did you take the plunge?
Hmmm… A fool and their money are soon parted… Sound familiar?
Well I took the plunge andI have resigned from LLI, won’t be getting rich quick but at least I can sleep well at night now. LLI announcing changes at LLI conference Sat on the Gold Coast, Rachel Oliver so excited trying to get people to purchase all products to put them in the best position. Changes are to be announced world wide at different location over the next couple of weeks. Hmmm sounds very suspicious!!
Dont you think that if you dont actually know what the products are about, you shouldn’t be saying crap about them? Sorry, but it just makes you seem petty and stupid. Next time you’re going to bag something, I suggest you know what you’re talking about first. That way you will look like less of a jack ass.
Have a great day 🙂
And actually, the six figure marketing co op was designed to help all new associates start up with advertising. No one gets any profits from six figure chicks directly. Every time you make money in this business it is because you’ve worked hard. It is not a get rich quick scheme – surprise surprise, you actually have to work.
I’ll tell you two proven products that work and don’t cost $1000’s, a PEN & PAPER. All it’ll cost you is $1 and some of your time.
Sit down, write down what it is you want to do with your life, and then go do it! Wow… who’d have thought….
This is all vary entertaining!
What do you do that is so much better?
All I see Is some ordinary girls that got creative and had the courage to go to market with a clever idea for marketing a personal development program and I would Imagine that thay had never done this sort of thing before.
That is truly Inspiring!
I think that is great!
I think that whatever program thay are involved in that gave them the courage to do this must be vary good.
I can see courage,imagination,determination and reward.
I think thay have grown from what ever thay are studying
and it seems to me that you are trying to steal there customers.
I can see what you are learning too!
I would personally stay away from your opportunity I would not want to learn to attach Innocent women and defame them so that i can get some customers.
That is wrong in my book.
I wonder what type of personal development your on!!!!
Wow not for me!
^
I think your spelling says more about it than I ever could.
What are you selling Oz? How come you never told me?
Whatever it is I’m in.. sign me up please.
I’d like to announce this uh..rare opportunity to um give people the uh chance to truly … connect to themselves and um unleash the inner y’know truth. I promise you this is what you’ve all been waiting for.
*cue techno music and barrage of balloons, confetti and trigger cases falling from the ceiling*
EVERYBODY SAY YEAH!
(oh and anyone who doesn’t sign up immediately just doesn’t get it because they’re too negative)
SEE YOU ALL AT THE NEXT CONFERENCE ON THE MOON!
Yeah!
Take that Peter Poulidakis with the bad spelling.
hahaha
You are unbelievable. If you knew anything at all about personal development you would not be depreciating of others. So why don’t you promote Wallmart? or the Pharmacuetical companies instead then and have them get more richer or how about YOU creating something as wonderful as Liberty League did? If you cannot shine on your own with your own creativity then I guess you can shine putting others down.
Hi all, its really simple do you want to become financially free??? Give your money to someone and voila no more financial problems!
Anyone wants to become financially free and give me the money instead? what’s the difference who you give your money to?
If you give me all your money, I will give you a 100 % guarantee you wont have any money problems…
Hahaha ,, i love this forum =]
I had seen the UXL scam on foxtel and decided to google it to see jst what type of scam it was.
I ended up here..
These scams have been around for a long time now and I can’t believe they are still legally operating.
They are simply preying on desperate and or stupid people.
Honestly it is as simple as this ,, give me your money and we will teach you to take advantage of other stupid people such as yourself.
As for the few comments from people trying to defend these scammers , wake up to yourselves. Preying on gullible targets and taking advantage of their stupidity is just wrong.
I actually wonder why they are still running the ad when the new guidelines say you cannot advertise on tv?
Oh….I think I get it….unless authorised….which they would be…
duh..
HI Oz,
There are new advertising guidelines etc to do with what you can and cannot do. Where you can advertise etc.
One of the things I did notice is that you cannot advertise on tv anymore…..
I guess there are exceptions for the few making any money (it is always the same people getting recognition)
One more thing-
Another of the new guidelines says that you cannot make any reference to a dollar amount- eg “six figure income” etc
I guess six figure chicks is different somehow?
*confused*
What are these new guidelines you speak of?
Yeah as far as I know UXL are still advertising away on Foxtel…
I can answer this one. I have it on good authority that Six Figure Chicks didn’t have enough prospects to go around so she tried to share the prospects they had around so that the top people got 2 and everybody else got 1.
This didn’t go to well with compliance and they also didn’t like the ‘six figure’ representation in the name.
Six Figure Chicks rebranded as highlymotivatednow.com.au but hasn’t seem to have done much with it. Not sure what the reason for this is given sixfigurechicks’ exposure.
Mind you I haven’t personally verified the above information, it’s just what I’ve heard on the grapevine.
Hey Oz & People reading,
The truth is Six Figure Chicks was asked to remove all non team co op members for the reason that cross line co ops were no longer compliant.
The co op has changed names which was a request by Polaris compliance and is still running in a very small way with her team only. I know Six Figure Chicks passed everthing through compliance first.
It was very transparent co op and an accountant looking after books. Brilliant job but wrong product perhaps. She generated thousands of leads which resulted in sales for associates. She’s got excellent marketing wings and deserves better. I hope she finds something fabulous to work with.
Wow , generating leads, marketing to these leads, generating sales …leveraging your business model and receiving commissions from others whom you “license” to use the very same model. Sounds just like franchising or real estate agencies or solicitors or computer and mobile phone sales.. the list goes on.
Why are these not refered to as “pyramids” I wonder.
If the phrase “pyramid scheme” is part of your language when refering to such business’s then thats ok.. you can take solace in the fact your in good company…because 80% of the population is financially illiterate and has ZERO understanding of basic wealth principles. Id say that pretty much sums up the readers here…you people are morons. Particularly you Oz! This is my first and last visit.
This is Today Tonight/ A Current Affair type shit which is deliberately targeted at morons.
I’d say poor Johhny is the one who lacks basic understanding. If he has read earlier posts he should realise that many of the “morons” are actually successful people in their own right who don’t like to see others being taken for a ride by scammers like LLI/PMG.
Um 6 figure chicks isn’t running anymore because Rania has left Polaris!
WHY HAVE YOU EXPOSED OLD LOVING PHOTOS & FAULSELY ACCUSED ME OF ALCOHOLISM RACHEL ANNE OLIVER?
YOU WERE A PROBLEM BABY (BORN IN WOLLONGONG HOSPITAL, NSW).
YOU WERE A PROBLEM CHILD RAISED & SCHOOLED IN FAULCONBRIDGE.
EVENTUALLY YOURS PROVERBIAL LIES WILL CATCH YOU OUT RACHEL.
DON’T COME TO ME AGAIN FOR HELP, I’VE DONE IT TOO OFTEN!
LIARS NEVER PROSPER IN THE LONG RUN: YOUR LIES WILL CATCH UP WITH YOU EVENTUALLY.
BE AWARE THAT I WILL TRACK YOU UNTIL MY MOTHER, YOUR NAN, PASSES OVER: YOU’LL NEVER HEAR FROM ME AFTER THIS GREAT LOSS.
just read the book “the art of the steal” a book of scams and fraud by frank abagnale, a good read(there’s been a movie on him)
Because there is a actual product involved or investment i understand the ACCC won’t touch it. You might argue this is a ponzi scheme which i thought to be highly illegal too.
Their add reaked of a scam, all girl power no specifics, tried to find the site, too late nothing left but this site. Not to suprised.
Thanks Oz and others here who prevented me becoming one of those “suckers”. The more I discover, the more cultish the whole thing sounds!
Lies, brainwashing, preying on people’s vulnerablility. Shameful. They just recently contacted me, so they are still operating, unfortunately. I despise “information products”!