Lucrazon attempt response to Ponzi concerns
Currently in prelaunch till January 2014, a few weeks back I reviewed the Lucrazon Global MLM business opportunity.
In conducting my research into the company, I raised several concerns including a lack of information on Lucrazon Global’s credited CEO and Founder, Alex Pitt, and the company’s “revenue sharing” business model.
As is typical with MLM “revenue sharing” companies, I couldn’t see a product within the opportunity being sold to retail (non-affiliate) customers. This effectively meant that revenue going into the company was going to be primarily from Lucrazon’s affiliates, which it would then pay out to those who had already previously paid in.
Recruitment commissions by way of a referral payout on amounts deposited by newly recruited affiliates were also on offer, marking Lucrazon as using the now-familiar Ponzi/pyramid scheme hybrid model we saw pop up time and time again this past year.
Specific to Lucrazon, affiliates buy in at $1000 a position (capped at 15 positions or $15,000), which the company then pays out (sans referral commissions), via a daily “revenue share”.
Affiliates qualify for the revenue-share by sending in a random merchant’s contact details every 90 days, with new affiliate position money is used to pay out affiliates who have already bought positions.
Here’s how I summed it up in the BehindMLM Lucrazon review:
Whereas Zeek Reward’s front was a penny auction, Lucrazon try to pass of an e-commerce platform as the attached façade.
Let me be clear that I’m in no way questioning the legitimacy of Lucrazon’s e-commerce platform, replicated websites blahblahblah as a stand-alone services, as that’s entirely not the issue.
The issue with Lucrazon’s MLM business model is the basic mechanic of new affiliate money flowing in at $1000 a pop and being paid out to those who have already paid $1000 a pop for “positions”.
Dress it up any way you want, like every other MLM revenue-sharing opportunity out there this is still just the sale of unregistered securities.
The logic-fail kicks in when you consider the reason an affiliate would pay up to $15,000 to market merchant services and an e-commerce platform to legitimate merchants.
Lucrazon totally makes sense from a passive investor standpoint though. I pay my $1000 and you give me back >$1000.
And I’m not seeing the difference between a merchant signing up and buying a $1000 position or an affiliate doing it. Retail revenue would also appear to be a question mark in Lucrazon’s business model.
Seeking to address these concerns Alice Ly, who credits herself as Lucrazon Global’s “Social Media Manager”, left a comment on the review advising that Lucrazon had ‘answer(ed) your review points in addition to other questions‘.
Ly’s comment contained a link to a Lucrazon blog post titled “Alex Pitt and Lucrazon Global Facts”. Do Lucrazon quash Ponzi concerns about their revenue-sharing business model?
Let’s find out.
Lucrazon’s post opens with information on Founder and CEO Alex Pitt and some complaints over Pitt’s non-MLM past. I didn’t raise that as an issue in my review so I don’t see it as relevant.
What is relevant though is Lucrazon’s confirmation that Pitt ‘has no MLM history as he’s never been a MLM owner‘.
With that cleared up the only thing left for Lucrazon to address is whether their revenue-share is just paying existing affiliates with new affiliate money.
Before we get into the model itself, Lucrazon appear to suggest they don’t have a product:
Q8: Why doesn’t Lucrazon Global have products?
A: Lucrazon is the first fully-integrated ecommerce system with multiple patent-pending technologies containing a Website and Shopping Cart Builder, a proprietary Payment Gateway Integration, with automated Merchant Account approval process.
In addition, there are ecommerce stores with thousands of pre-populated products that are drop shipped by 3rd parties.
Brand Partners are Ecommerce business owners that provide Merchant Services, Websites and Shopping Carts, Ecommerce Stores with Inventory and SEO Marketing. These tools are specifically designed to build a business network as well as growing a Merchant Portfolio.
“Thousands of pre-populated products” from “3rd parties” still translates to Lucrazon themselves having “no products”. This is a red flag enough on its own in MLM – combined with a revenue-sharing business model though?
Might as well just march into your local SEC office and get it over with now…
Moving onto Lucrazon’s revenue-share model itself. The company states that it
doesn’t have a dollar amount assigned to the daily payout because we reserve 10% of the daily revenue. The 10% is then shared with qualified Brand Partners so that amount could be a few cents or it could be hundreds of dollars.
It never exceeds the 10% of revenue earned by the company on any given day.
Got it. My question – Is that “daily revenue” primarily newly invested affiliate money (“positions”) or does it come from elsewhere?
I maintain that it makes no sense to have affiliates dump up to $15,000 into the scheme that’s suppose to market e-commerce services to merchants – unless you’re planning to use that money to pay out existing affiliates.
Lucrazon attempt to address this concern… but not really:
Q3: Is Lucrazon Global a MLM, investment company, ponzi or similar?
A: Lucrazon Global neither a MLM, an investment, a Ponzi scheme, or similar. It does not recruit or assign people to certain positions that are controlled by “corporate.”
Lucrazon Global doesn’t restrict people from participating in other businesses and encourages individuals to promote their own business built on Lucrazon Technology.
Lucrazon, Inc. is a registered Visa and MasterCard MSP (Merchant Service Provider) and ISO (Independent Sales Organization) of Merrick Bank, South Jordan, UT, and Member of FDIC.
Lucrazon Inc. owns several patent-pending Lucrazon Technology and is part of a highly regulated industry, paying out up to 75% revenues (not 100% or more) which is the standard payout for the Merchant Service industry.
Lucrazon Global is operating on Lucrazon Technology and is held to these same standards. MLMs or related “ventures” are not regulated in this way.
Where to begin?
First of all Lucrazon is very much an MLM business opportunity. In addition to paying out referral commission on new position investment by affiliates, you’re also using a binary compensation structure.
Cmon guys, cut the crap.
As for being a Ponzi scheme, what on Earth does “It does not recruit or assign people to certain positions that are controlled by “corporate”” have to do with affiliates investing in “positions” and earning a daily ROI on them?
I think your definition of a Ponzi scheme might be broken Alice.
The core question that determines whether or not Lucrazon is a Ponzi scheme is are you paying out new affiliate position money to existing affiliates (who have already invested in positions)?
If so, you’re running a Ponzi scheme, with affiliates buying positions (unregistered securities) on the promise of an eventual >100% ROI on each position.
The rest of Lucrazon’s post addresses things that are neither here nor there – “lead” commissions, the “Brand Partner Process”, claims of Lucrazon affiliates “falsifying info” etc.
I did think this one last point was somewhat revealing though:
Q10: I heard that Brand Partners “don’t need to do anything.” Is this true?
A: No, this is not true. A Brand Partner Business is a real business. People who manage their Brand Partner business like any other business will typically have much greater success than those who put forth little to no effort.
Is it just me or did Lucrazon just confirm it’s entirely possible to invest in positions, do nothing and make money?
Sure, it’s typical that if an affiliate “manages their business” they’ll have greater success – but for those who are happy with the revenue-share ROI, “no effort” will surely suffice.
…if you can call handing in random merchant details every 90 days “effort”.
Is Lucrazon nothing more than yet another affiliate-funded MLM revenue-sharing Ponzi scheme?
I’m still not convinced.
Oh and while we’re discussing “other questions”, can you clarify BehindMLM reader ISO’s allegation that Lucrazon is actually being run by an ex Zeek Rewards and Better Living Global Ponzi player?
By the way…this Asian man who created Lucrazon Global was in Zeek, jumped into Better Living and now Lucrazon GLOBAL. He is a nice man when you talk to him. Always smiling….AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHER.
I wonder how much money Alex Pit will get from him? This guy is an MLM recruiter. You can take ALL of Lucrazon’s earning from it’s merchant service side and would not be able to sustain ONE MONTH of payment that LG has to payout.
Does Lucrazon Global have Chinese backer(s) who were involved in Zeek Rewards, Better Living Global and Juding USA? Wouldn’t be the first time a legit-looking frontman had been made the public face of a revenue-sharing opportunity.
Over to you Alice.
Merry Christmas oz
Cheers. I was looking forward to taking the day off but “the internet never sleeps!” – It’s kinda become my life mantra 🙂
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!
I wonder if I can use my Kingdom Card(tm) with the Lucrazon Technology??
You’d think “social media manager” would at least get some LEGAL opinions from their inhouse lawyer before claiming they are not Ponzi or Pyramid or MLM.
Maybe they don’t have one? Or is this sort of “we’ll fire her because she said something wrong” kind of a deal? (Think Dawn Wright-Olivares here…) Talk about sacrificial lambs…
Seems like they are going with the “buying club” metaphor… Are they registered as a buying club? Or are they going to revive SkyBiz pyramid scheme instead?
http://pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/news/skybizdown.html
Most of the links at PSA are dead, so here’s another article, this time by MLM Attorney Jeff Babener:
http://www.mlmlegal.com/skyscam.html
Why, this sounds JUST LIKE Lucrazon, except it was closed in 2001! Members are encouraged to sign up and buy eStores online (as many as possible) and are paid based on how many others they can encourage to buy even MORE eStores… It *is* the same thing! This is Skybiz / Skyscam resurrected!
Alex, Alex, Alex… You don’t really think Americans are *this* stupid, are you?
Faith Sloan, a veteran of Ponzi Schemes, and currently a “SUPER-TOP” US Telexfree promoter is one of the first ones working with Lucrazon:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151912794941909&set=a.10151151461146909.447994.551696908&type=1
Btw, OZ;
I dare Alice Ly to make a bet that I can prove it’s a full-fletch Ponzi Scheme. Let her name the price. I’ll back you up. In fact, about 99% of the current member is LUCRAZON converged from Better Living because of this “main man”. Namely Mr D.N. (initials).
Given that Faith Sloan only seems to get involved in the underbelly of the MLM industry, I think her involvement in Lucrazon speaks volumes.
$15,000 is an awful lot of investment referral commissions…
All of you are hilarious! People are joining every day for $1,000 and they are getting paid for the merchant accounts they are bringing on board and websites they have sold.
I just got paid $2,000 for doing a website and merchant account for a local restaurant. You know who collected the money? I did! I charged what I wanted to do the website and they check was made out to me… Not to Lucrazon or anybody else.
Just because some people you are spreading rumors about are trying to go with a new business doesn’t matter. I know of people who tried to get in as Brand Partners and they were turned down because of bad credit and other crap. you have to QUALIFY!
Ever hear of a ponzi scheme that refunds all of your money if you feel you have been dealt a bad hand? I know two people that some of the scum you are talking about told them lies. Lucrazon Global apologized and refunded their money then kicked the scumbags out.
Please… You have no idea what the truth is. I bet if you asked to come visit their corporate office or the new training facility they would let you… Don’t be so stupid. You will end up looking like fools very soon.
Does that have anything to do with the flow of money within Lucrazon? Your next line indicates it doesn’t:
If you collected money from a third-party, then that has nothing to do with Lucrazon’s business opportunity.
I just got back from 7-11 and purchased some iced-coffee. I paid 7-11 the money, not Lucrazon. Yesterday I bought some milk from the supermarket, again I paid the supermarket and not Lucrazon. Cool story bro.
The money flow within Lucrazon is what’s important here, that being revenue primarily being sourced by affiliates, and then being paid out to affiliates – based primarily on how many new affiliate investors they have recruited and the amount of funds they themselves have put into Lucrazon.
Well I can understand a company that relies on funds from new participants turning down people with bad credit. Can’t you?
Offering refunds doesn’t define a Ponzi scheme, its business model does. Lucrazon accept $15,000 deposits from affiliates, paying out >$15,000 over time from newly deposited affiliate money.
Again, Lucrazon’s corporate office or their training facilities are not the issue here – the company’s business model is.
That is where you are wrong…. The only way I was able to provide the service and close the restaurant account was because of my Brand Partner site that is using Lucrazon’s technology so it is 100% part of their business opportunity. I could not have done it without that.
People are also turned down for other reasons. Bad credit is just one of them. You can have all the money in the world but they won’t let you in if you don’t qualify.
They show where they do not payout 100%. At a recent meeting they said they will soon be showing all the financials on their site. How much money was collected and how much was paid out.
They don’t make the payout a secret. Go here and see it. Do the math yourself:
lucrazonglobal.com/image/data//downloads/lucrazonGlobal-Final2.pdf
I was suggesting going to corporate so you could talk to them directly. They are very open with everything. I just wish you weren’t so determined to discredit them since they are not what you claim.
Right. So revenue wise all that happened is that you, an affiliate, deposited money with Lucrazon for an affiliate account. Said affiliate account will now pay you >100% of what you deposited with Lucrazon, paid out funds deposited by other affiliates.
And you’re still not seeing the problem here?
Whether they pay 100% or not or how much money is paid out is not the issue. The issue is where the money comes from and how it is paid out.
Lucrazon attempted to address the Ponzi scheme concerns I raised already, it was the basis for this article and they failed entirely.
If you’re contact with Lucrazon corporate you can address the Ponzi scheme concerns quite quickly:
Ask them what their primary source of revenue is company-wide (affiliates or retail customers), and then ask them payout wise, do they primarily pay out affiliate revenue or retail revenue.
This article was published on December 25th, meaning Alice Ly has had two weeks to reply to it and provide the above requested information that would confirm Lucrazon is not a Ponzi scheme. Yet she hasn’t.
Make of that what you will.
To OZ and Laughing.
You both are completely on the wrong path, not talking about the same thing here.
Laughing has no idea what he’s in. He got paid from the MERCHANT SERVICE side of the business. Which is the legit side. Never once mentioned that came from the “GLOBAL” side which is headed by MR. D—- N—–.
Merchant accounts are required to have good credit to qualify. Restaurant businesses, for your info, is an AUTOMATIC APPROVAL business because of the low risk involved in issuing a merchant account. I could go on…but why?
Laughing…You are VERY VERY STUPID to think that Lucrazon GLOBAL is within the confine of VISA and MasterCard’s rule.
I am a veteran in the industry and have been to meeting in person. Put your money where your mouth is and I can prove to you that the owner will not DARE to keep me in the room because I’ll tear it apart and have VISA and MasterCard jump in as well as Attorney General for them operating as a Ponzi Scheme wrapped inside a merchant industry.
If you want to work in the Merchant Industry, more power to you but you have a LOT TO LEARN MY FRIEND. You will see it through very soon and will be laughing like a monkey.
And so did the SkyBiz scam. What’s your point, exactly?
I’d like to be on hand for that.
Hey guys thanks for the info! I’m personally considering the opportunity and am convinced that it is a Ponzi scheme.
The real question I need answered is (Ozedit: This is not the place to ask for investment advice).
If you have not join lucrazon global, don’t. 60% of all brand Partners are having trouble getting their money back/refund.
People purchased Thousands of business units in lucrazon hoping to get paid on the daily marketing bonuses. It’s has been 6 months since December 2013 and haven’t get paid for.
If you have the money, treat your spouse and kids. I see possible a law suit against this company soon if the company doesn’t refund money back.
Curious Geogre, don’t worry about it being a Ponzi scheme. It isn’t – it’s an illegal pyramid! LOL
georgy boy, what good is a law suit going to do if they don’t have any money? Don’t you think they would have paid you after 6 months in order to keep the illegal pyramid going?
Here are notes from a meeting attended by Glenn Smith. Any questions, contact Glenn.
Wednesday 3pm Alex Pitt meeting.
Lucrazon why have you failed to refund my $15,000?
I applied for lucrazon back in April but i was told that i am going to get my refund in May since they failed to enroll me into their business. And since then i have waited for my money.
Its now mid July and i still have not receive my money…..
When a company starts revising a comp plan from bottom up (like TelexFree before the end) it’s on its last breath. But then, we knew that was coming all along, didn’t we?
Faith Sloan and other “Leaders” getting kudos for earning Big Money in Lucrazon!
i just want my money back . But i know for sure it never happen wish it not happen to someone.
Im not that stupid to be in this company but i lost my trust to my bestfriend and i think it happen to him the same !!!!