Zeek’s Dawn Wright-Olivares now marketing @ iWowWe
Shortly after she pretty much admitted Zeek Rewards was paying existing affiliates with new affiliate money, Zeek Rewards’ Chief Operating Officer Dawn Wright-Olivares disappeared from the public spotlight.
Whether she knew of not of the impending action against the company by the SEC, by the time they moved in to shut down Zeek Rewards Wright-Olivares was nowhere to be found.
A few months later reports began to trickle in about Wright-Olivares’ new business venture, Savage Smokes. Marketing electronic cigarettes (non-MLM), in light of the revelation she was COO of a $600M Ponzi scheme, it appeared Wright-Olivares had moved on from the MLM industry.
The Savage Smokes website is still up although things seems to have stalled with the last recorded blog entry on the site dates back to the 14th of January. With the future of Savage Smokes remaining uncertain, it appears Wright-Olivares might again have moved on, and this time she’s making an MLM comeback.
Featuring in an iWowWe marketing video, Wright-Olivares introduces herself as the new Chief Marketing Officer of the company:
iWowWe market a video email and meeting service and have been in operation since 2007 (BehindMLM iWowWe review here).
Also on board is Alex deBrantes, who has been appointed Internet Marketing Director:
DeBrantes (Wright-Olivares’ husband) served as the similarly sounding Internet Marketing Manager over at Zeek Rewards.
Other familiar faces include Jon Wright (Zeek Rewards’ Compliance Manager) as Compliance Director, Aaron Baker as Market Research Analyst.
In the marketing video, Wright-Olivares states that iWowWe owner Bill Starkey “showed up on her doorstep” and that the company’s “commitment to excellence, you (affiliates) and the children of the world” was enough for her to accept the position there, her new “home” as she calls it.
Starkey also appears in the video and after Wright-Olivares declares she’s going to “take iWowWe to the next level” welcomes her on camera:
This is a great moment at iWowWe. Here we’ve got Dawn and her entire team coming on board with us in the marketing department.
As the CEO I’ve been able to work with some of the brightest and best talent in the world and now, to have Dawn and her team in marketing, it’s an extraordinary moment for all of us.
Extraordinary indeed. With the aftermath of Zeek Rewards not over yet, hundreds of thousands of affiliates expected to make claims against the company and Wright-Olivares to date failing to publicly address or explain her involvement in Zeek Rewards, apparently the industry is just expected to forgive and forget.
In the meantime, we’ll certainly be keeping an eye out for any burger analogies popping up over at iWowWe. All the best Dawn.
There is no mention of Zeek on the Linkedin resume here. Also, savage traders appears to have preceded savage smokes.
http://www.linkedin.com/in/hippiediva
Zeek was mentioned as Free Store Club.
She didn’t mention the title “MLM Leader of the Year 2012” either, for some reason.
ZeekRewards tricked the whole “Association of Network Marketing Professionals” ANMP. That actually makes it easier for her, i.e. “all the others were involved in some ways, too!”.
Yeah, pick the most innocent sounding component of Rex Venture Group. 🙂
With Skype and Google Hangouts now fully video enabled, conference call, voice, and all that, why would anyone use iWowwe any way?
Sounds like someone’s trying to squeeze a bit more use out of what’s left of Zeek crew.
This is Bill Starkey, CEO of WowWe, Inc. I want to address a few things here right away.
First and foremost, Dawn and her team are unable to comment on anything relating to Zeek as it is a legal matter and their attorneys are handling as it should be and as is critical in all cases like the one they are dealing with.
When I approached Dawn and her team to come on board with iWowWe, I did so because they are the absolute best in the industry and broke every record in MLM history.
I was honored to meet her and am THRILLED that they came on board with iWowWe.
1. Cases like these are how innovative business models get worked out. That doesn’t mean there was any “wrong-doing”, regardless of the final outcome.
2. Zeek brought in the best compliance minds in the industry to try to help work out that business model, all while trying to manage record-setting growth, outside fraud attacks, and over-zealous affiliates.
3. Who knows better how to deal with a challenge — someone who’s never had an issue, or someone who’s been through trial by fire?
Continuing on that thought… In light of the increasing scrutiny of the government into the direct selling business model, I want someone with first-hand experience dealing with that scrutiny — not someone who’s just been lucky to avoid it.
4. RE: Dawn speaking out publicly about her involvement with Zeek, simple answer: There’s an ongoing case. She can’t talk about it publicly. DUH.
5. Bottom line: I’ve known Dawn and seen her work for years. She’s a brilliant — BRILLIANT — marketer, with first-hand experience in the increasingly challenging regulatory environment, and that’s why I hired her.
Is the industry just supposed to forgive and forget? She’ll have to deal with whatever consequences come as a result of the case. But she gets to move on, in an industry she has dedicated most of her professional career to. I’m happy to be giving her a second chance, and feel very confident in my decision to do so.
(Ozedit: attempts to take discussion offline removed)
So they can revenue share?
Maybe
I GUESS THERE’S ONLY ONE ITEM OF NEWS THAT COULD POSSIBLE TRUMP THE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR & CIVIL FRAUD OF THE PRINCIPLES, DIRECTORS, MANAGERS, LEADERSHIP OF INDEPENDENT MARKETER AND SPARK PLUGS PROMOTING THE TELEXFREE SCAM…
AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE….THE QUEEN OF SCAMSTERS…GOOD OL DAWN DARLING!…TALK ABOUT HAVING THE TAIL WAG THE DOG!
HOW MUCH DID THEY PAYING DAWN TO STICK HER HEAD UP FROM UNDER HER CAVE SO THAT THE FOCUS GETS OFF TELEXFRAUD AND THE DOGS GET BACK ON TO HER SCENT…DING DING DING…OMG…THIS IS EXCELLENT…..THERE WILL BE NEW FEDERAL RULES SOON KIDS.
DAMN…..I JUST WATCHED THAT COMPELLING VIDEO AT THE HOME OFFICE OF I YI YI WOWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!…
THAT COMPLIANCE DUDE LOOKS PUUUUUUUURFEEEEECT FOR KEEPING DAWN AND THE REST OF THE CREW RIGHT DOWN THE CENTER OF THE ‘COMPLIANCE’ PIECE IN THE BUSINESS…MAYBE THEY CAN DUST OL JERRY WHATSHISNAME OFF AND HAVE HIM TO THE LEGAL OPINION…
@Bill
Legal matter? So there’s legal action pending outside of Paul Burks settlement fine?
Given Wright-Olivares heavy involvement in Zeek Rewards, for the sake of iWowWe down the track I’d have hoped you’d taken possible criminal prosecution as a result of “the case” into consideration.
Uh, seriously dude?
Zeek Rewards was a $600M Ponzi scheme. The only records broken were the amount of MLM affiliate investors her team convinced to invest in scheme.
Bill, there’s nothing innovative about Ponzi schemes.
Compliance means dick when you’re running a Ponzi scheme.
So if I’m reading that correctly, we can soon expect a similar Zeek-inspired revenue-sharing Ponzi points model over at iWowWe? Why else would you want someone with first-hand experience in dealing with Ponzi scheme scruitiny?
She does? But, but, but I thought the case was ongoing. Perhaps you and her both underestimate the potential fallout of being at the center of the largest MLM Ponzi scheme in US history?
Let’s hope it works out for you then. Hundreds of thousands of ex-Zeek Rewards duped investors would probably disagree.
i wonder if someone will get info on her and report it to the Feds that she own money from zeek rewards and scamming others. she must be stop at all cost.
BILL STARKEY…YOU ARE SO OUT OF YOUR AREA OF UNDERSTANDING IN THE WORLD OF HOW THESE THINGS WORK…
I STARTED TO WRITE THAT YOU WERE/ARE A STONE-COLD-IDIOT…BUT I DON’T KNOW YOU AND SO I DO HOPE THAT YOUR JUST A GOOD PERSON TRYING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
REGARDLESS HOWEVER..YOUR SO OUT OF YOUR LEAGUE HERE AND WAY ABOVE YOUR PAY GRADE… YOUR OBVIOUSLY OUT OF YOUR LEAGUE, OR A FULL BLOWN SCAMMER YOUR CHOICE, SO YOU CHOOSE WHICH ONE.
WHAT YOU’RE NOT HOWEVER IS THOUGHTFUL, COMPETENT OR SOBER. HERE’S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, LET’S SAY THAT DAWN AND THE REST OF THE CREW WERE ALL SERIOUSLY ‘VICTIMS’ OF SOME VAST CONSPIRACY THAT THEY KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT, OK? LETS DO THAT.
REGARDLESS, WHEN THE REGULATORS GET A HOLD OF YOUR FILE (AND YOU CAN WELL BET THAT THE TOOTHPASTE ON THAT IS ALREADY OUT OF THE TUBE!) THOSE BOYS AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WILL INTEGRATE YOU, AND YOUR GROUP IN WITH DAWN AND PAUL AND THE REST OF THEM AND THEY’LL SUCK YOUR ASSES DRY.
AND THEN YOU’LL MAKE A MISTAKE PROBABLY SEVERAL MISTAKES (LIKE LETTING THE WOLF INTO THE CHICKEN COUP OR FUDGING ON SOMETHING VERY INNOCENT OR ON ACCIDENT) AND THEN AFTER THEY RUN YOU UP AND DOWN THE CIVIL COURT ROSTERS OPENING YOUR KIMONO’S UP…THEN THEY’RE GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT’S REALLY BEEN GOING ON….
YOU’LL GET A FBI VISIT, FOLLOWED BY A IRS VISIT, THEN THE DOJ WILL SEND YOU A NOTICE, SOMEONE WILL BLINK AND IF YOUR NOT CAREFUL….YOU’LL FIND YOURSELF WITH A BIG ASSED TARGET LETTER…AND THEN IT’LL STOP BEING
FUNNY….
RIGHT, WRONG, OR INDIFFERENT YOU ARE KNOWN BY THE COMPANY YOU KEEP, JUST LIKE DAWN AND THE REST OF THEM WERE….NOW BILL…THAT’S WHATS UP!…THAT’S WHATS REALLY GOING ON…THATS WHATS HAPPENING AND YOUR NOT SOBER ENOUGH TO RECOGNIZE IT OR YOUR DONT CARE AND THAT MAKES YOU DANGEROUS
THAT’S IF DAWN IS JUST A SWEET AND INNOCENT QUEEN OF THE MLM’ERS…IF SHE’S GOT ANY BONES IN THE CLOSET (OR FAILS TO DO AS SHE’S DOING NOW AS A ‘CI’) OR IF SHE BS’S THESE BOYS…THE EXACT SAME THING WILL HAPPEN…JUST A LOT QUICKER AND WITH MUCH WORSE AND AGGRESSIVE A MINDSET BY THE FEDS…
YOUR A MARKET MAN AND YOU HAVE A CANCER AND IT ABOUT TO METASTASIZE.
FOR A MOMENT, I FORGOT ABOUT TELEXFREE, ASD AND BERNIE MADOOF…THE TAIL HAS OFFICIALLY WAGED A DOG!
Can you stop typing in all caps please?
She didn’t deal with that scrutiny. She got replaced just when things are getting warm.
Because they ran Zeek like as an illegal Ponzi. Yes, Dawn and her great team CHEATED, broke the law, and by doing so broke some Ponzi records.
And what will the impact be to iWowWe when Dawn and her crew start facing civil suits and face the inevitable criminal charges?
CEO’s think long-term, and I think you’re not seeing the big picture of negative brand reputation when the inevitable happens… unless you’re planning on cashing out before the criminal charges hit.
To be totally accurate, that should read:
When I approached Dawn and her team to come on board with iWowWe, I did so because they are the absolute best in the industry and broke every record in HYIP PONZI/PYRAMID FRAUD history
Zeek was never “MLM”
Zeek was always a HYIP ponzi/pyramid fraud DISGUISED as “MLM”
In fact, the “industry” must be horrified every time it is associated with such an obvious fraud.
iWowWe has never been in a position to be discriminating in who their lead affiliates would be, for the most part if you can swing a downline you can be a master distributor or chief of customer acquisition or pert near any title they haven’t already given to someone who hasn’t jumped ship yet.
Before JJ Ulrich joined his old “Elite Activity” cash gifting boss in Profitless Clicking/ Already Haven’t Been Paid he was some sort of muckety muck in iWowWe. Hiring Dawn and her crew isn’t surprising, the fact that she’d waste her time accepting the offer isn’t either.
What the hell else is she going to do after being after being the chief wrangler at the biggest lemming ranch next to the steepest cliff in MLM history?
iWowWe isn’t acting as a reformatory for reputationally damaged MLM’ers, quite simply no one with any better prospects what so ever will have anything to do with them.
Look at their product offering, they might as well be selling 400 hours free AOL instal discs culled from landfill after their 1990’s carpet bombing marketing campaign. That is a slight exaggeration of iWowWe’s technological irrelevance but not by all that much.
Mr. Starkey, I respect you for coming here and adding to the conversation but honestly your company would be far better served by coming up with a product good enough to drive sales, so you no longer have no better option than granting leadership positions to people who have an established track record of abusing the faith people have placed in them.
She’s high up in the “employees an contractors” list Paul Burks filed.
Bill Starkey has probably got what he wanted = someone experienced / someone bringing in a team. He didn’t have much choices in which environments he could choose people from, i.e. he clearly wanted specific types of experience.
It’s about a belief system. He seriously believed the choice would be a good solution for him, and it probably will be.
iwowwe.com (alexa rating) has dropped 42% in the last 90days to #11,117 (Globally). That’s is down from #4,902 (Globally)and a trailing 35% 90 day increase from just one year ago when they had their July 10, 2012 Business from Home article…
It would seem that Bill and the rest of the crew have not been able to get the traction they need to keep the iwwowe boat a float without doing a classic mlm pump & dump…if iwowwe had legit management they would find an alternative crew to rearrange the deck furniture on this Titanic. If not for production, certainly for compliance/integrity reasons, this program is doomed.
BTW suggesting that Dawn somehow stood her ground and dealt with the Zeek problems head-on is a complete misstatement of fact, she unplugged her phone lines, stopped responding to emails, pulled the shades, turned out the lights and then did one final rah rah speech and snuck out of town with a boat load of cash… that is hardly working in a solution.
Most of your comment reflected a strong belief system rather than reality?
What exactly was your idea there?
People will normally have a basic idea when they’re trying to communicate something, i.e. logical ideas, motivational “drive” and similar factors. Sometimes it’s mostly about habits.
If your idea was to protect Dawn, then you should have kept it “short and factual” rather than “long and emotional”, and have kept it straight to the facts rather than introducing your own belief system.
Something like this would probably have done the job:
“Hello, I’m Bill Starkey, the CEO of iWowWe. Dawn has an order from her lawyer about not making any public comments related to ZeekRewards, RVG or her own role there, since that case hasn’t been resolved yet.
I will ask you to keep it relatively neutral, balanced and FAIR. She can’t protect her own interests or defend herself in this situation, so you will have to do it for her (protecting her interests).”
I’m pretty sure Dawn or anyone in her team would have preferred something like that, rather than you introducing your own belief system and posting “marketing statements”. You COULD have introduced potential solutions, but you choosed to post marketing BS?
Next time, try a strategy like the one I suggested. But this time we’ll have to finish what you started.
What is your future visions for WowWe? and as seen with most (if not all) mlm schemes, what is your exit plan?
Also. why is it on your website at the bottom you list logo’s of being or(giving the impression) you are a member of DSA (Direct Selling Association), The American Business Awards, Woodlands Chamber of Commerce and the 2012 American Stevie winner business Award?
I find it hard to believe that iWowWe would be a member of the DSA simply by what is stated on the DSA code of ethics:
The DSA Code of Ethics speaks to both the consumer and the seller. It ensures that member companies will make no statements or promises that might mislead either consumers or prospective sales people. Pyramid schemes are illegal and companies operating pyramids are not permitted to be members of the DSA.
I have to seriously ask if this info was pasted on your site because it is true or is it really fabricated?
Finishing something I started in post #21 …
Note:
The method I’m using here is rather unpleasant for people affected by it, but it’s needed if we want to make the discussion factual rather than emotional.
I’m analysing and “putting words to something” some people instinctively will feel, making it easier to understand logically WHY they felt it that way.
You’re starting by telling about your own
* motives (“I did so because …”)
* your belief system (“they’re the absolute best”)
* your own feelings (“honored / THRILLED”)
People will normally place the most important parts of a message relatively early in the text, so your message starts already here to be about what’s closest to your own heart = Your own name and role, your own motives, your own belief system, your own feelings.
You’re basically trying to motivate yourself or something? “People will probably be inspired by the same things that inspires me = myself”.
Your “innovative business” was actually a Ponzi scheme, so that section is actually about your own misguided belief system.
Belief system = some “core values” people normally have, and the basic ideas they believe in.
And you are clearly eager to tell us about your own belief system?
More misguided belief systems?
More belief system. “Belief system” is often about something not reflected in reality, or only partially reflected.
This is the first time your mentioning something about Dawn’s interests?
People have listened to her 10 minute monologue in the radio broadcast, her burger analogy and other flaws. They have a much more balanced viewpoint than you.
Exaggerated statements simply don’t work very well. They will affect the one making them, but they will normally fail to affect an audience. So you were trying to motivate yourself here.
You’re still telling us about your own belief system, but it can also be about plain and simple habits, e.g. you have always used “marketing language” in communication and it has eventually become a habit.
Here’s an “appeal” or something? “Forgive and forget”. Most people will actually do just that, but the time needed will be an individual factor.
But here you’re returning to your favorite topic once again = You, yourself, your own role, etc.
You’re actually presenting Dawn in a negative light here, and yourself in a positive light?
This comment will need a short “summary” or a “conclusion” (to FINISH that type of comments), and then it will need a “bridge” over to a more rational topic.
LOL, Dawn Wright Olivaries? This woman is nothing but a complete con artist, and an incompetent one to boot. She screwed up Zeek and was too dumb to even not admit it was a Ponzi.
The only thing I have been unable to figure out is why she isn’t yet in an orange jump suit.
Why anyone would be stupid enough to join this woman in any business venture is beyond me because you would have to be STUPID with a capital S.
P.S. I will add bill starkey to my scam/con artists of people to watch list. He obviously must be brain dead.
Hey Bill Starkey… a couple things about Dawn’s CEO abilities from someone who has worked at a couple F-500’s in an executive capacity.
First, Dawn hired all her relatives and the website had one problem after another. They simply could not keep up with the explosive growth, though I would think that is part of what a CEO is paid to do, right?
Second, good companies frown on management who hires their boyfriends, husbands, kids to work for them. It just never works out well.
Third, to suggest Dawn was anything other than fully aware of what was going on you must either be kidding, or be so self-delusional that you need serious help.
It’s probably a variation of the “Bigger Fool Theory”. In that theory you’ll need to be one or become one yourself to be able to attract bigger fools.
But it makes some sense for Bill Starkey. Dawn has many connections, e.g. to the “Chosen Twelve” in ZeekRewards, serial MLM-ers, serial Ponzi riders, attorneys and advisors, etc., people she is familiar doing business with.
And she’s also able to do a monologue for 10 whole minutes in a row, without following any script or having any plan.
Now, now, nobody is suggesting that iWowwe is running a pyramid. And there’s nothing in the DSA code of ethics that says you can’t hire former pyramid/ponzi scheme’s employees.
(If that’s true, there’d be no people to run those businesses. 😀 And there’d be no lawyer left defending anybody)
lol all people in WowWe should be put to jail. con artists are con artists like Dawn.
Oh come on, don’t paint with that broad a stroke, or you will sound as crazy as the scammers. Why do you think MLM advocates (I don’t mean the scammers) hate the critics? When critics paint with too broad a stroke!
IMHO appears iwowe is looking to scoop up the last of the zeekler true believers for a quick cash grab. No other explanation makes sense.
@Bill Starkey
This thread goes like this:
Post #1: “She’s not mentioning ZeekRewards” (neutral)
Post #2: answer to post #1 (neutral)
Post #3: answer to post #2 (neutral)
Post #4: Short comment about iWowWe (critical)
Post #5: Your comment (motivational speech)
Up until your own comment the comments were relatively neutral and balanced, what you normally can expect from a “mixed audience”.
Your first strategy should have been “wait and see”. The first few comments show that people were not very interested or emotionally engaged.
The thread would probably have attracted some negative comments, e.g. from former Zeek victims. You could have posted something then, something short and neutral, a strategy quite opposite to the one you used.
1. WHERE IT FAILED
You can clearly see WHERE it failed = in your OWN strategy in post #5. After that the thread attracted all sorts of negative comments. It was your OWN post that attracted it. People simply responded quite differently from what you expected.
2. WHY IT FAILED
This website is not a “Hallelujah meeting” where people need to be inspired by motivational speakers to part with their money or join a movement.
We are not eagerly waiting for a leader to guide us and lead us in the right direction. That idea derives from an American SelfDev book, but it doesn’t work very well out in the real world.
This website mostly has a logical audience, people analysing something logically rather than emotionally. A “speak from your heart” strategy CAN work, but it will need to be based on solid facts rather than plain BS. Your speech was based on BS.
“I’m Bill Starkey, iWowWe’s CEO” probably has some effect in your own organization (but less than you believe yourself). Here we simply identified it to be about having legitimate motives for posting a comment, i.e. as an official representative for the company mentioned in the article.
We will first of all look for “substance”, e.g. whether you have some valid points we will need to address or if you’re simply entertaining yourself. We will not be affected by WHO you are or what type of position you have in which company.
SUMMARY
I have briefly covered 2 points:
1. WHERE it failed
2. WHY it failed = “wrong type of audience”. But your strategy failed on other ideas too.
@Bill Starkey
Here’s one examples for “relatively good strategies”, but from a different type of situation.
MonaVie’s President Randy Schroeder, when MlmHelpDesk published an article about … (disabled link)
mlmhelpdesk.com/breaking-mlm-news-monavie-president-of-north-america-randy-schroeder-calls-zeek-rewards-ponzi-and-is-suing-two-former-top-distributors/
I did the search job to find the right article, and the comment should be “somewhere among the other comments”, probably relatively early in the thread.
RANDY SCHROEDER
The conference call was “internal” and was never meant to be published on the internet. It drew a lot of attention when it was published on MlmHelpDesk, the most eager “Zeek advocate” at that moment, with a lot of “true Zeek believers” as the main audience.
I’m pretty sure he analysed the type of audience first, rather than posting “blindly”.
* He clearly limited the comment, “I will not respond to any questions”. That will normally prevent people from asking questions.
* He admitted the facts. That’s important.
* He gave a short and rational explanation, “I was talking as a team leader to my own team, in an internal call”.
I don’t remember the rest of the comment, but it was “short and factual” to prevent the story from escalating.
Oz covered the same story, but without any comments from Randy Schroeder.
https://behindmlm.com/companies/monavie/monavie-president-zeek-rewards-probably-a-ponzi/
I have briefly covered
* WHERE your comment failed
* WHY it failed
* showed an example for “short and factual” strategy
A brilliant marketer huh? Maybe, but she was a totally incompetent CEO. And having worked extensively in public affairs I would not want a CMO with a background like Dawn’s; it’s simply too much baggage.
Bottom line, she screwed thousands out of their money.
And left Paul Burks holding the bag? 😉
She was a COO, Paul Burks was the CEO.
Bill Starkey probably believe the “magic” in ZeekRewards was in the marketing rather than in the concept itself. He’s simply following his own ideas.
He’s looking for a “magical recipe”, but without knowing exactly what he’s looking for. So he believes hiring the right team will give him what he want. It will give him a team, exactly what he identified the solution to be himself.
Several other people identified the “magical recipe” to be about the penny auctions and the profit sharing. They got exactly that, troublesome penny auctions and troublesome profit sharing, but without the magic.
People will simply get EXACTLY what they have identified to be “the right solution” themselves, and it will usually be something troublesome.
Next time, someone will probably try to hire Paul Burks. It’s a little closer to the solution, but if they have identified it to be “the right solution” they will get exactly that, a troublesome Paul Burks.
Yo, dear friend, regardless of what you find hard to believe and what not, you should check your facts before you babble on your opinions!
All info mentioned by you that are on the iWowWe website is public info and can be checked. Here is one about the DSA (hope this site allows links):
http://www.dsa.org/press/press_releases/?fa=view&docID=5600
Only a fool would post something without checking first, right?
Here is a final placement of iWowWe among the DSA members:
http://www.dsa.org/forms/CompanyFormPublicMembers/search?action=find
Note! There are two lists! One for the applicants (pending list) and one for the members! This one is of the members! (If you know so much, you are probably aware of that it takes 2 years of existing under the magnifying glass before a company makes it into this list).
Iwowe want the old zeek crowd to join. That group has proven to throw good money after bad and I guess these guys figure the low hanging fruit is once again ripe for the picking!
List of shame.
To be fair, FHTM, a pyramid scheme, was never admitted to DSA.
That of course, doesn’t explain why iWowwe would hire a bunch of ex-Ponzi scheme’s marketing team.
A ponzi scheme sells itself on the promise of “easy money”. The marketing team’s job is to keep the lie going as long as possible.
If Bill Starkey’s looking for a bunch of professional “marketers” he’d found them, but it’s not the type that perhaps he *should* hire.
My personal opinion
I don’t believe that Paul Burkes intentionally set out to hurt anyone. I do believe there were major flaws in the business model due to the repurchase for higher compounding the next day and days forward. Simply the investment scheme the SEC speaks of.
What sickens me is all the creepy copycat models that popped up scamming people in my opinion worse than anything Zeek could have done. What I don’t understand is if it was wrong for Zeek, why would anyone in their right mind continue with that crazy reinvestment model.
Profit sharing is NOT illegal, but when you reinvest your daily earnings for higher return tomorrow in my opinion you have problems with the business model if it is not registered with the SEC. That law was implemented way back in the 1930’s, it’s not a new law.
A company can pay you profit sharing, no law against that. So if you love profit sharing – find a company that provides that without the daily reinvestment scheme attached. They are out there.
We all have our own opinion of Zeek Rewards, personally I think Paul should have been given the opportunity to fix what the SEC saw as illegal and maybe they did and he just ignored it, if that is the case shame on him.
The penny auction at zeekler was a joke, nothing but junk and I know that the majority of items won were never shipped. I also know that Dawn and her “crew” picked those items, lol.
The penny auction model is extremely profitable and does or should save the consumer money, had Zeek been designed properly and their products on the auction been a little more attractive could have sustained itself as a business.
That auction was poorly designed and poorly ran, people were bidding on “stupid gift cards” to Target and Walmart double and triple over their value – Cmon.
Zeek became so huge, almost overnight. It was crazy. I do see the Governments side of things from one aspect, although I don’t agree with everything they say.
Zeek ALWAYS paid their affiliates, and they would have continued to pay their affiliates had the SEC not shown up and shut them down.
I’m not saying they would or wouldn’t have run out of money. Had their penny auction had better products they would have been even more profitable.
I have never personally met Dawn, in my opinion she appears arrogant and better than the rest – not really someone I’d be inclined to “follow”.
I’ve met a lot of “great” leaders, ones I consider “the best” in the industry. I find it interesting if what Bill states is true, where was her “name in the spot light as a Major Leader” before Zeek Rewards. Dawn got her claim to fame with Zeek, before that I had NEVER heard of her.
I have to say her best conference call was when she told everyone to quit whining and complaining, that people needed to strive to be more like her, and then everyone would want to be near them just as everyone wants to be near her, be with her and be “just like her.”
We still have fun with that one every time her name is mentioned. That seriously was the last conference call (other than the farewell call between her and Paul) that I was on. Her constant “the sky is not falling” statement drove everyone insane. She’s a hoot.
She’d probably be great to party with, not sure about following her into a business, had she had great “leadership” qualities she would have been a leader and would have stuck around for those she “led”.
Opportunist’s are there when the opportunity is there and gone when it’s not. Now she is back again because the “Opportunity” is there. So she’ll lead her followers again until this opportunity tanks.
I saw the work of her boyfriend now hubby for Zeek – I wasn’t impressed, but then I guess when your as big as Zeek your website can look and operate less than “OK”
I personally believe the “zeek crew” knew since April before they were shut down that “the sky was falling” and they flat out covered it up. Continued to take money knowing there were major problems and that is where I find fault with the “zeek crew”. This is another area in MY opinion where Dawn’s “leadership qualities” fell short.
I do however, want to add that there is not one person on this site that is perfect including myself and it’s really disheartening when people comment as if they would never get caught up in a “ponzi”. When in reality probably most of the comments here are from people who have at one time or another been involved unknowingly or knowingly in a “ponzi” or lost money on the internet – at some point folks we do have to take responsibility for our own decisions.
That’s the one thing I don’t like about this industry is the lack of claim to poor decision making. If you cannot afford to spend the money DON’T. If you’re not a recruiter quit joining things that require recruiting.
And if your ignorant enough to join an “investment” opportunity when you don’t have the money to risk the loss, or if join a business that requires recruiting and you don’t recruit, (usually a requirement to earn in this industry) who’s the idiot??? I’d say the person spending their money unwisely.
When something fails everyone screams at the leaders or owners, when if we did our own due diligence we would have found that we probably shouldn’t have been involved to begin with.
I know one thing I am tired of the “crap” programs out there. In my opinion there are some good ones, a few great ones and a ton of scams. Filtering through them is the biggest chore.
A plug for Bill, I used Iwowwe for a short time, it was pretty good actually, I just don’t market in that manner so I don’t use the tool, otherwise I would. It’s actually pretty cool. I’m just old school get on the phone, in person kind of marketer.
So many Zeek/Profitable Sunrise/ Telexfree and the Chineese CBSomething168 money game scammers have been calling and promoting this project to me over the past weeks.
I watched the iWowwe marketing video just a minute ago and felt like I was doing something very wrong just for having watched the thing, I mean what the heck has been happening with our beautiful ‘Next Best Chance for the Average Person’ industry andway?
The two scruffy boys at EN have done a pretty good job of being ‘Bad-Assed Marketers’ and they seem like OK enough guys but the trend most lately is that marketers of emerging online tech mlm projects like this deal and the ones at PS, Zeek, ASD, WCM777, iWowwi, PS, Telex, Zeek and the CB?168 have to have the underbelly & dark edged component to them.
The edgy-ness is so very underwhelming and greasy. Really? does every networker today have to get a camera crew to film youand your drinking buddies with their cool tattoos, mirrored sunglasses, and gunslinger swagger as you point to the charity d jour (save the worlds children program) on the hallway walls of your converted back woods filling station/ freight forwarding building?
Really, is that all you’ve got?
@Shirley
One consumer saves money and the rest simply lose it. They have to in order for the business to make money.
To date I haven’t seen one successful MLM penny auction, regardless of the compensation plan attached.
The month before Zeek Rewards was shut down, they took in $62M and paid out $60M. Another month and they would have gone into the red.
The notion Zeek Rewards was profitable is a myth. Why on do you think Burks was so keen to sign it away?
Yet, from the video, there’s no doubt that he and the team leaders KNOW they created a “money game” that can’t go on forever. I think someone tweaked the comp plan and I wonder whose idea it was. I have a feeling it’s Darryl Douglas, and maybe why he’d gone underground.
https://behindmlm.com/companies/zeek-rewards/ceo-paul-burks-admits-zeek-rewards-a-ponzi-scheme/
And racked even MORE debt/obligations in the meanwhile. Or did you not care about SEC’s audit that Zeek in July 2012 took in 172 mil and PAID OUT 170 mil? Next month they’ll go net negative. SEC got to them when there’s SOME money left in the bank to be seized. Any later and there’s even LESS.
Zeek had plenty of places NOT paid people, through late crediting, delay in cashing out, problem with eWallets, and so on and so forth.
I’ll agree 25% with you. I agree that the victims need some pain to learn from their mistakes, but I think the scammers deserve MAJORITY of the blame. And here we discuss the scammers (and the potential scammers).
And here we’re doing quite a bit of that due diligence you talked about.
Paul Burks is RESPECTED by anyone who has analysed the details in the program without being biased, if that can help you? E.G. I’m pointing out that Bill Starkey would have been closer to the “magical recipe” if he had hired Paul Burks.
“THE SINGING MAGICIAN”
Paul Burks was a former magician, “The Singing Magician”. He was in a team with C&W singer David Houston in the 1980-ies, until David Houston died in 1993. K. Chang wrote an article about it.
http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.no/2012/09/persuasion-former-zeek-pr-man-confirmed.html
I believe the “magical recipe” in Zeek mostly came from Paul Burks, not from the marketing team.
I have actually had a tax discussion with Paul Burks via Troy Dooly, and he clearly tried to trick me when I asked about RPP and taxes. He was clearly skilled in misleading people. I copied that dialogue and analysed it here. It’s extremely confusing. 🙂
FLAW OR MISTAKE?
I found one potential solution where it could have been a flaw or mistake, i.e. if they had used a computer program to simulate investments and reinvestments when the business was planned, and calculated the reinvestments as money coming in.
But that mistake would have been detected by an accountant within few weeks after the business launched. So it wasn’t a mistake.
The only mistake I can see is that it grew completely out of control too fast (when it first did grow fast).
You could clearly see some payment problems on Troy Dooly’s website in late July / early August.
* One was missing a $70,000 payment for 2 weeks, July 23rd and July 30th.
* One had several missing payments in his downline
People really started to get nervous in the first week of August 2012.
I made jokes about it for several days. It was called “Zeek 101 – the complete guide for how to become classy, popular, fun, everything you ever have dreamed of = something like Dawn”. It was one of the main reasons why I made some comments about Bill Starkey’s “belief systems”.
But you have to be FAIR. It was that type of conference calls that gave her the “MLM Leader of the Year 2012” title. It was EXACTLY what people wanted. 🙂
At the end of the day, there seems to have been a shift in the way that marketers seem to beleive that a networking program works…
The first publication I read on the subject was DonFailla’s Napkin presentation. From that moment on, i felt that the mlm business could be a real game changer for the masses, unfortunately somewhere along the line I was nudged off course by a money game here and there, thinking that I could front run the crowd by being positioned ahead of the bubble.
Thats not building, thats positioning and thats not what networking is really about. Successful networking is about serving, serving all parties, not just those who got in first. The finest products and services delivered to the masses via a proven and thoughtful program where anyone who wishes to change/compliment their situation has a real chance by following a blue-print of service to others.
Zeek Rewards, WMC, CB168, Telexfree, ASD, Profitable Sunrise and GTB,and several of the others were doomed at the moment of inception as the DNA was lacking. What happens to iWowwe will be reveaved soon, there’s a cancer cell in the management’s thinking, the environment seems to be one that cancers thrive in.
The early notice of cancer in the body is that sick feeling one gets right before the tumor grows, what the host does from that moment determines whether the tumor expodes through the body to kill the host. Bill Starkey, how’s your tummy feeling today?
@M_norway
You are right the payments did get delayed the last month or so that they were open. I agree, it only had a short time left. I guess what I am trying to say is that had it been ran properly with people that knew what they were doing who really wanted to design a company that would have sustainability it could possibly have been done.
But then Paul and Dawn and I’m sure Daryl all knew back in April what was coming so they really did have the time to at least make an effort, instead they were more interested in convincing everyone the “sky was not falling” and hundreds of thousands of people continued to dump money into the business.
The major winners who were taking in a half mill a week should have just on their own accord made an effort to at least give back to those who lost money in the last 8 weeks of the businesses operations.
I was shocked when I saw her as MLM leader of the year, it just goes to prove that when people make money they are happy. She was the voice and the main promoter of Zeek Rewards and so naturally people would hang on every word she said.
It could have been the Easter Bunny holding those calls for Zeek, and Peter Rabbit would have been the MLM leader of the year.
I will say that conference call was classic and I will never forget that phone call, still we marketers when we get on the phone and chat will still mimic that.
Well I actually wish her the best in her endeavors and hopes she finds her home to hang her hat or scarf on. Who knows maybe she really did believe in what she was doing, I know the rest of us believed in Zeek Rewards.
If she knew it really was a money game/ponzi scheme as Paul stated in that video or statements – shame on her. That’s all I can say. Leaders don’t lead people knowingly in Ponzi Schemes.
I know. I found one of your comments when I was looking for the payment problems in early August 2012, on Troy Dooly’s website.
There’s something you should know …
Zeek had $3,000 millions in “debt” (VIP Points), and between $225 and $325 million assets (cash, checks, payment processors) when it was shut down. The only way it could survive would be by devaluating the VIP Points (10 old points = 1 new point), stop recruiting more affiliates, stop paying out any network commissions.
Just IMAGINE a conference call like that …
The response from your downline would probably be something like “Wow, a FREE CD and 10 sample bids? That’s exactly what we wanted.” 🙂
Respectfully, Shirley, she was not MLM leader of the year; she “won” a ballot-stuffing competition sponsored by an MLM Blog. It was not an important “title” at all and made MLM look all the more like a cult.
Dawn, after all, was the same person who planted the seed that, if the company issued an order to change the way they dispensed toilet paper (top-rolling vs. bottom rolling), they should do it.
The AdSurfDaily hucksters manufactured a similar narrative for Andy Bowdoin: that he’d won an important award from the President of the United States in June 2008 for his marketing acumen. In actual fact, Bowdoin donated money to a political committee and received marketing mementos and banquet tickets in return.
Bowdoin knew full well that his insiders and clueless affiliates would try to make the “story” go viral.
That’s exactly what happened. What the affiliates didn’t know is that just two months earlier — in April 2008 — Bowdoin hopped a plane and visited Panama and Costa Rica to set up an offshore presence for ASD should the regulators come knocking.
In other words, he KNEW he was running a Ponzi scheme and was contemplating his escape route even as he effectively told the troops that no less than the President of the United States had recognized his genius.
BTW, Bowdoin made the donation with Ponzi proceeds. Federal records show at least one campaign donation in the name of Paul Burks while he was running Zeek. If that donation came from Ponzi proceeds, then it’s basically ASD all over again. Beyond that, a rational case can be made that Ponzi schemers are trying to influence the political process.
The whole situation made MLM look ridiculous and hardly could have been more reckless. Given that Zeek actually followed ASD, the timing makes its 1.5-percent-a-day scheme beyond reckless.
On the subject of MLMs hiring figures associated with Ponzi schemes and even issuing news releases about the new hires, the sad reality is that it’s not unprecedented in MLM.
ASD’s Bowdoin, facing civil and criminal Ponzi probes and a grand-jury indictment, emerged as a pitchman for a now-missing “opportunity” known as Paperless Access. After that, it was on to the 1-percent-a-day AdViewGlobal scam (as a silent partner) and the OneX “program,” which the Feds called a pyramid scheme that was redistributing money in ASD-like fashion.
The latter scams actually put Bowdoin in jail BEFORE he was sentenced in the ASD Ponzi case. Even before that, ASD was claiming it had a $200 million deal with a company known as Praebius Communications. The SEC later said Praebius stock was used in a pump-and-dump scheme.
If iWoWe were a public company, there’d be either a stockholder revolt or a boardroom coup right about now. It’s hard to fathom that any company — public or private — would expect stakeholders to take it seriously after bringing on the COO of an alleged $600 million Ponzi- and pyramid scheme with an investigation still under way and active litigation still in the courts with more to come.
On a final note, a judge ultimately bannned Bowdoin from MLM and a different judge banned MPB Today’s Gary Calhoun from MLM. The reasoning more or less seemed to be that that both men continued to pose dangers to pocketbooks and wallets, if not themselves for their pursuit of MLM profits.
PPBlog
I can meet you on the halfway there, or actually 2/3 over to your viewpoint.
I don’t think Paul Burks INTENTIONALLY decided to “Let’s make a program where we can become one of the biggest Ponzi schemes in the U.S.”.
BEFORE ZEEK
He had a company with 10-12 employees, and a concept that gradually had started to become less profitable (FSC).
* His first attempt to find a new program didn’t work very well (Shopping Daisy).
* His second attempt wasn’t very profitable, the non-MLM “FSC Penny Auction”.
So he was relatively desperate in finding something that could work. His intentions were probably about creating a new income opportunity for his employees (most of them had worked for him for years, e.g. 10 and 13 years).
Up until this point have I analysed and synthesized a relatively rational motive for starting ZeekRewards, but from here it will become more vague.
STARTING ZEEK
* He was attracted to ASD’s plan (he copied it). WHY he was attracted to that idea is unknown to me.
* The “core values” in Network Marketing revolves around different “success ideas”, where having huge downlines and earning commissions clearly are among the top values.
* What people don’t like is that too many people actually will lose money in most MLM programs. That may be one of the reasons why Paul Burks was attracted to the Ponzi scheme model? It WILL give people the feeling of making money. “Everyone is making money, they don’t even need to recruit anyone” is clearly an attractive idea (if it had worked in reality).
CONCLUSION
I can find some good intentions here, e.g. taking care of his employees’ interests. He did the same before the collapse, e.g. by hiring Greg Caldwell (and let the others “disappear from public view” in the last month).
I’m able to meet you on the point about intentions, he CAN have had good intentions.
But he DID know what he was doing. I can find some bad intentions too, e.g. the fake customers he allowed “friends” to sell to the victims.
A Ponzi scheme is actually about creating an ILLUSION of making money. That’s why I believe Bill Starkey has misinterpreted something when he wanted to hire the marketing team rather than the illusionist. 🙂
It’s also about knowing how to direct people’s attention, i.e. how to use people’s own assumptions and ideas to let them mislead themselves.
JAMES RANDI: WE ALL MAKE ASSUMPTIONS
I have mentioned that title a couple of times in this thread, directly or indirectly. Shirley probably wrote a reply to one of my comments.
Besides, she didn’t get impressed, she was shocked.
I wasn’t implying the Shirley was impressed. She plainly stated she was shocked. I was focusing on the “MLM leader of the year” comment with the hope other MLMers — perhaps particularly folks with iWowWe — won’t put any stock in that vacuous claim.
PPBlog
Starkey was not interested in Dawn or her half baked team, thats a joke. Starkey wants the LIST, the Zeek list. They think they they’re gonna pimp iwowwe to their ponzi list, the people who want passive income.
Bad move Starkey, you should have sent her a couple of hundred for the list and sent her on her way. Now, you have to carry about a ton of dead weight for a few minutes.
He’s probably like most guys, “They’re only interested in ONE thing!”. 🙂 And that’s typically not what they SAY they’re interested in. And they become completely uninterested when they first have got it. 🙂
Pardon my sensitivities, but that’s a pretty piggish thing to say.
The dialogue was about Zeek member list, but you may have thought of something else? 🙂
That’s because you compared the member list to something else.
Mail a screen shot to M. Olivares. See if she think its as funny as you do.
@Hossy
It has to be seen in context with something else, e.g. “We all make assumptions”, and the comments about “magical recipe” and how people are identifying it.
People will automatically assume something, based on their own previous experience, knowledge, education, observation, and so on. I prefer not to guess how you made your assumption. 🙂
Most guys, “They’re only interested in ONE thing!” Grin Grin Smiley smiley. That one thing is a list.
Sure. Smily smiley grin grin.
Dopey.
Holy double entendre Batman!
Let’s move on.
Double Entendre,
Yes, that is exactly what it was.
Moving on.
Well, when I saw that video I was thinking “What, music video?” It’s got that sorta 80’s 90’s vibe to it, before you listen to a word they said. 😀
I check my email daily to stay in communications with the important things in my life, lately I’ve been paying a little more attention to my behindmlm rss feeds as they come in–I’m very interested in this industry, Its’ been so great to me on so many levels.
Generally speaking I don’t invest the time to look at info regarding other companies that I’m not involved, Over the past few days however I’ve been watching the comments regarding iWWowie and I’ve even commented myself.
That’s because I actually watched several associates get their lunches fed to them at Zeester. They made the naive decision to join and then stuck with Zeek Rewards while ignoring the fact of it being a clear pyramid scheme (some said that the end would justify the means).
They bought in to the idea that the daily rev share would be the ‘tip of the sword’ to open the pipeline and then the Daisy, the Shopping portal and all the other stuff would infill and comply with sustainability requirements of a legitimate business.
The point pool and corresponding daily accruals became so compelling that many lost sight of the reality of it all. There are a number of lessons learned (I would think?) from the Zeek debacle.
The new CMO of iWWowie was in the middle the Zeek deal with both feet, if anyone denies that then they weren’t there or their disillusion (and they’ll accept much less from life than they could have) They’ll have to learn their own lesson through their own process.
As for the new CMO (at iwwowie)…she’s had her 15 minutes, I’m putting this part of behindmlm in the round file.
BTW BehindMLM…keep up the fight, I’ve learned to respect what you do (I don’t always agreed…but I do always respect your work).
@M_Norway
And I am sick and tired of you shoving James Randi down my throat.
That particular James Randi video is the only one I have found that meets the following criterias:
* the video has to be short
* the main point has to come relatively early
* it has to be something other than glasses / microphone
The discussion wasn’t about James Randi, but about Paul Burks and whether or not he was a skilled illusionist, e.g. where the “magical factor” in Zeek came from. I have indirectly linked to another video telling the same story in post #45.
The cardboard box example in the James Randi video can be used as an example for how to create an illusion – “just handle it like an empty cardboard box”. You don’t need to convince people, they will convince themselves.
“Place it right in front of people’s eyes rather than trying to disguise it as something else, and let people mislead themselves rather than you misleading them”. Some programs simply don’t have that “magical factor”, they look much more like disguised scams.
I seriously doubt Dawn’s team will be able to recreate that “magical factor” in iWowWe. And I seriously doubt Bill Starkey would allow them to do it if they could.
BTW, here’s a list of 3 videos that probably will be reused for different purposes:
lol can we put Dawn Wright-Olivares to jail?
Only a court can…
Logic and reason is indeed sometimes a hard pill to swallow to people used to faith and wishful thinking.
James Randi isn’t exactly an “entertainer”, he’s more like an “educator”. But I actually planned to USE some his points in my own comments, e.g. the empty cardboard box illusion.
A magician will use people’s OWN ideas and assumptions to sell an idea of that something is real. Marketing people will most likely try to CONVINCE people by using marketing ideas.
It will be extremely difficult for Dawn’s team to replicate something from Zeek, e.g. do anyone believe Troy Dooly will make a new “NMBJ review” video for iWowWe, assisting Dawn in replicating Zeek’s marketing strategy? 🙂
Bill Starkey showed up here with expectations far from reality. That can only lead to a disaster. If he want anyone to replicate anything then he’ll need to replicate the same conditions, i.e. create a concept where everyone will convince themselves.
It’s actually he who has to improve his own ideas, rather than him expecting others to generate some results for him without having to contribute himself. And that contribution should be based on realism rather than a belief system.
Please, not again, you will only be repeating yourself. Like Oz says. Move on.
You assume it was planned for that single joke? It clearly can’t have been. I can’t see into the future, e.g. predicting that someone will post a specific type of comment shortly after my own post.
That idea is rather constructed. You haven’t really moved on, since you’re assuming comments are about that sequence of posts?
I did place that trap in the comment. The comment itself was meant as a joke, and I had prepared a follow up joke if anyone had focused on the joke. I needed to change tactics when you interpreted it as a serious comment.
“Only interested in ONE thing!” is of course about MONEY. That’s the first thing we ask them about, “Do you have much money?” type of questions. 🙂
I don’t know anything about WHAT you assumed that “ONE thing” to be, or WHY you assumed it. 🙂
Of course it’s not as directly as that, asking direct questions. That won’t work very well. The trick is to have a normal conversation, and to find out indirectly whether or not they can afford to support our expensive “hanging out with the guys” lifestyle (whatever that might be about). 🙂
“Guys! They’re only interested in ONE thing!” was of course about the “can they afford to support our lifestyle” interest.
It came as a complete surprise when people thought of something else. 🙂
It’s interesting to look at how the different other programs have tried to interpret the “magical formula” for how to become successful.
Bidify identified it to be about penny auctions and profit sharing, and released an upgraded version of Zeek with more rewards. “Fraudy” even used Troy Dooly as a marketing channel, hired Kevin Thompson, registered a U.S. company, and had probably several other methods to copy the idea. It didn’t work very well.
JubiRev understood that the penny auction wasn’t important, so they kept the profit sharing and replaced the penny auction with something new. It didn’t work very well.
All the other MLM penny audtion + revshare disappeared rather quickly. They tried different types of “attraction factors”, e.g. charities. None of them worked very well.
It simply doesn’t work very well trying to copy or modify other people’s business ideas step by step, e.g. as a detailed list of identifiable factors you can copy or modify. Normally it doesn’t work very well copying your own business ideas either, even when they have worked earlier. Ideas can be flawed even if they seem to work.
You’ll need to copy the results of the formula rather than the formula itself. It can also be interpreted as “copy the basic ideas rather than the details”.
THE TRUTH
Zeek was clearly a Ponzi scheme. When Bill Starkey tried to describe it as “an innovative business” he was clearly misleading himself.
A part of the “magical formula” can be found within that idea, “people’s own willingness to mislead themselves”. That’s a psychological principle rather than something that can be copied directly or modified as a business idea.
The fact that one MLM penny auction revshare business can manage to mislead people doesn’t mean the idea will work for others.
People’s OWN willingness to mislead themselves is typically a recipe for disaster rather than a “magical formula”.
Interesting that you can call a $600 million ponzi scheme “an issue.” Note to self: Avoid iWowWe at all costs.
fucking witch!
That. That is just brilliant, really, there should be academy awards for blog comments.
I don’t know if it’s because of my own experience of STILL finding those things tucked away in my belongings for YEARS after they became obsolete, or the truly accurate analogy of the useless junk that attaches to some of these mlm companies…something about that statement just cracks me up.
I *had* an AOL account for… TEN YEARS. 🙂 Actually, I was on AOL before they were AOL. 😀 I was on PC-LINK, then I was using the “GEM” version of AOL before they went Windows. 😀
Back in the earlier days, they used to send out floppy disks instead of CD-ROM’s. I used to request as many of those as I could, plus had family save them for me. Never had to buy a floppy disk through the 90’s.
When I think on it, those were some fun times. AOHell it was sometimes called, but then it felt like dying if we couldn’t sign on 😀
What’s really hilarious is they were giving like 1200 hours free before AOL really went down the tubes. (There’s only 744 or fewer hours in a month)
Dawn’s Ponzi money will literally be paid back to those she stole it from:
Kenneth Bell has also been appointed “Special Master”, meaning he personally is going to be overseeing the cases involving affiliates who made the most money.
I’m not seeing any chance of shenanigans given Bell’s intimate knowledge of the case thus far.
http://www.the-dispatch.com/article/20131223/NEWS/312239990/1005?Title=Forfeited-funds-to-benefit-net-losers-with-Zeek
I was just randomly scrolling through this article and noticed the YT video no longer works. YT canned the account for repeated copyright infringement.
From memory it was iWowwe’s official YouTube account, meaning they got banned from YouTube. I confirmed this by visiting iWowWe’s website and noticing YT is absent from their social profile icons. From memory there used to be YT videos on the site too.
I’m guessing they didn’t obtain permission to use the commercial songs they were using in their videos.
When I see people like Dawn Wright-Olivares still walking, all I can ask myself is, “where have all the good snipers gone?”