Why can’t GiveOpp be marketed in South Dakota?
I was going over the GiveOpp ‘Earnings and Income Disclaimer’ and aside from the usual ‘you can’t take any of our member’s earning claims seriously as we haven’t verified them ourselves’ statements, there was one line that caught my eye.
Tucked away and saved right till the end is this mysterious statement:
This opportunity is not available to residents of South Dakota. Residents of South Dakota may not participate in or purchase this opportunity.
GiveOpp isn’t available to residents of South Dakota? That seemed a little bit too specific to be just random co-incidence.
There’s no further explanation given as to why residents of South Dakota can’t participate in the GiveOpp business opportunity so I took it upon myself to come up with some possible explanations.
Here’s some reasons why GiveOpp might not be able to operate in South Dakota.
1. Liberty League International also banned in South Dakota
A few years ago an undercover reporter got on a Liberty League International phone call and was told by an associate that a product purchase was required to participate in the Liberty League income opportunity.
With required product purchases being illegal when joining a business opportunity, the end result was that Liberty League International was banned from operating in South Dakota.
Anyone claiming that this is fictitious can read confirmation about the details of the South Dakota ban from Tony Rush published just a few days ago;
James, that story is 100% true. Liberty League couldn’t operate in South Dakota for most of the time they were in business.
Tony Rush is an ex-EMC member of Liberty League International and Polaris Media Group (Liberty League International’s later name).
Now I’m not for a second claiming that Liberty League International and GiveOpp are one and the same, or that GiveOpp is a re-incarnation – as obviously it’s not.
What is interesting to note though is that prominent members of GiveOpp, John and Shannon Lavenia and GiveOpp’s CEO Mark Cosby were all previously heavily involved in Liberty League.
I’m not aware of the specifics of the court findings regarding the South Dakota ban of Liberty League, but perhaps as part of the final judgement there were clause(s) preventing management at the time from operating any further business opportunities in South Dakota.
Either that or there’s some other yet to be exposed link between GiveOpp and the now defunct company Liberty League International.
Had the Lavenias and Cosby not been so heavily involved in Liberty League then it’d be a lot easier to brush off this connection as pure co-incidence.
2. Parent companies must be disclosed when marketing MLM in South Dakota
Back in 2005 MLM company Herbalife were apparently instructing their distributors that any advertising in South Dakota of the company must disclose that the company they are promoting is Herbalife.
as I started to write this, my former upline in Herbalife just sent me the latest info from the legalese department.
It was actually pretty funny to read, but the most amusing part was where it states that distributors contacting people who live in South Dakota MUST disclose that the opportunity is with Herbalife, although other areas may still do unbranded marketing.
The relevant bit of legislation from South Dakota’s ‘Pyramid Promotional Schemes’ legislation states;
Any such plan or operation shall clearly describe the program in its recruiting literature, sales manual, or contract with independent salespersons, including the disclosure of any inventory which is not eligible for repurchase under the program.
One of the favourite marketing methods of a lot of MLM distributors is to never mention the actual company name until they’ve got you on a call and are confident you’ll be their next sign up.
GiveOpp are seemingly going down this marketing path, as evidenced by their latest video marketing efforts.
Apart from John Lavenia mentioning GiveOpp in a barely audible introduction at the start and a whole bunch of making money claims (that we aren’t supposed to take seriously because none of them have been verified by GiveOpp), the company name GiveOpp isn’t mentioned in the video.
Part of the reason this type of non-disclosure marketing is employed is to stop prospects researching company names before distributors have had a chance to talk to them.
If GiveOpp are planning to pursue this style of marketing and South Dakota is still against (or grey about) not disclosing business opportunity companies upfront, this could explain why GiveOpp isn’t available in South Dakota.
3. South Dakota has a $250 cost cutoff for business opportunities
South Dakota has a $250 cost cutoff for fees for people joining a business opportunity. This cutoff extends upwards to $500 however if
the payment is made for the not-for-profit sale of sales demonstration equipment, material, or samples, or the payment is made for product inventory sold to the purchaser at a bona fide wholesale price.
Currently GiveOpp are in prelaunch and as such no information has been made publicly available about any costs involved in joining the company.
If these costs exceed $250, or $500 with the purchase of ‘sales demonstration equipment, material, samples or product inventory‘, then this could be the reason GiveOpp aren’t trading in South Dakota.
Whatever the reason, the inclusion of a ban on operating GiveOpp in South Dakota as part of the company’s Earnings and Income Disclosure is sure to raise a few eyebrows. Moreso the fact that absolutely no further explanation is given.
Whether the reason is one of the four plausible scenarios I’ve mentioned above or something else entirely, I think GiveOpp would be doing themselves a favour and coming clean about why their members can’t trade in South Dakota.
If you stop the youtube video above at 4 min 18 sec you will see in the disclaimer two references to $cientology’s pet hate –Psychiatry. $cientology is currently trying to align itself with humanitarianism and I suspect that the Lavenias are “volunteer ministers” so they are combining business and recruitment to the cult.
Check this video out.
Most MLM company’s cannot market in South Dakota. This has been like that for years and years.
From their youtube video disclaimer:
Real professional, and more than a little mean-spirited; particularly from such a “charitable” company.
That demonstrates more than anything the absolute disdain that John and Shannon Lavenia feel towards people. They launched this company with a focus on charity for the sole purpose of letting people feel good about themselves while they are being ripped off. The two of them are absolutely pathetic.
You’re dead on, Boris.
And Delwyn McKenzie is in the video… no surprise. Is she still on the farm in her pink work boots? Or did she leave her husband and kids in New Zealand when she moved to the US? Charity starts at home.
@just curious now
Because of the Liberty League decision or otherwise?
@failure
Uh I couldn’t see that anywhere, or are you paraphrasing? :).
That line is toward the end of the video, and is very much John Lavenia’s tone.
There are a few folks from Liberty League/Polaris’ EMC featured. I imagine there are quite a few that are jumping ship from Polaris over to GiveOpp and to Avant (Brent Payne’s new company). Either way, they are losing situations for most people who get involved.
Hopefully, Oz, this site will grow and be visible to those who are doing their due diligence with the new companies.
Ah ok, I was looking for it in the earnings disclaimer. I’ve edited ‘failure”s comment to reflect that just incase it gets anyone else.
I’ll keep writing as long as people keep reading. Finding time is proving challenging at the moment though!
No, nothing to do with LLI… they’ve always been tough on MLMs.
I watched the video and was sickened to see my former advisor Kieron Atkinson spin some shit about making money whilst asleep.
Hey Kieron how about sending the AUD ~$30,000 for my Liberty and Summit tickets (that you pressured and convinced me to buy) back down my way while i’m trying to sleep.
I still cannot believe I fell for this crap!
Kieron and Kristi Atkinson were associates of the month with Liberty League International last year and signed up heaps of people who then went full boat, not many made any money at all, like myself. I wonder where they are now????
I would like to know if anyone previously involved with LLI and in K&K’s team would be interested in pursuing legal action.
Kieron’s LLI/polaris website http://www.focusonwealthnow.com/ redirects to http://www.givingopportunity.com/ and his video seems all too familiar.
Please run away, run far far away.
No, I was aware of this back in the 80’s when I was involved with Amway. There were a few states that we were not able to prospect in because it was illegal to do so.
Hell – give be a break – Delwyn Mc out selling the clean green back country kiwi girl BS. Gone from back town Galatea to uptown Laveniaville. I guess reality was t much to handle..
The Atkinson’s are always on Facebook , planting their hooks , about the next big business, worth a look
Its been almost a couple of years since I started looking at these sort of scams. I waited 3 months in an attempt to sort out if it was a con.
The “productions” were very well produced – by Production Planet of Miami and the inferstructer was impressive also. Delwyn (surname removed at request of author) promised to be the true leader and help her Team to sucess…right what a ferkin joke.
As soon as she had extorted as much as she possibly could she vanised – subsequently the whol hing feel to bit. (surname removed at request of author) has since moved to her 3rd scam since – now Lavenia’s latest pyamid scam GIVEOPP.
ONe of my missions is to hell expose these scammers for what they really are. Interestingly Production Planets has now joined GiveOpp and is producing their events – supposedly telling Polaris to go jump – I gather the money must be better a GiveOpp as they have joined the “business” as well!!
Isnt this a conflict of interest? or does make them feel better and able to face the “victums” that support their income ?
Unreal negativity here.
Rod, if you want to communicate with this guy Atkinson why don’t you call him instead of defaming him on a public website? It might actually achieve something and give you a chance to let go of some of the anger you’re harbouring.
How long ago did all this happen? I’ve been watching you bitching on this site for almost a year now. Get over it son!
Get some closure and get on with your life.
I wonder what “Unbelieveable” thinks Rod’s chances of getting his money back are?
Typical scammer’s response to those who have been conned.
Actually a lot of unreal positivity has come out of these blogs.
Hearing that you have read my comments for the last 12 months and seem concerned is positive.
Obviously you are concerned about your business (GiveOpp, Polaris or whichever it may be) and hate the publicity.
Thats what I and others here who have suffered at the hands of these scammers are here for, no defaming, no lies, just true real life experiences.
Umm… about a year.
Thanks for the advice but not until our job here is done…Dad
Is that Roger Peters? Is it true you actually tried to go to Delwyn’s HOUSE after she stopped returning your phone calls?
Stalker behavior, dude.
I like the quote, “Thanks for the advice but not until our job here is done…Dad.”
I feel the same sense of purpose in my online activities these days. I was, briefly, affiliated with GiveOpp and they have haunted my bank account for months, with HIGHLY INEFFICIENT communication times…only once one raises a real stink.
However, I have to give credit to GiveOpp. Although they did not turn out to be the philanthropic opportunity I so naively believed them to be, they got me dreaming.
After leaving GiveOpp, I was just about done with believing that any pre-created program was truly no risk, nobody gets hurt. Just…about…done…believing… 🙂
Great opportunities do exist, and they are not brand new. And they are backed with statistics.
I would love to talk sense with anyone who wants to make sense. <3
Best wishes,
Carrie