Travelor Review: $1500 SEO course & travel
There is no information on the Travelor website indicating who owns or runs the business.
The Travelor website domain (“travelor.me”) was registered on the 3rd of May 2015, with Yossi Cohen of “V. TRAVELOR LTD” listed as the owner.
The address provided in the Travelor domain registration belongs to DSIT Solutions. The same address is provided on the Travelor website.
On their website, DSIT Solutions claim to ‘develop and produce sonar and acoustic-based systems for the commercial, energy, defense, and homeland security markets.‘
Alexa currently estimate that 75.8% of traffic to the Travelor website originates out of Israel.
Furthermore, the Travelor Terms and Conditions state:
Arbitration shall be made by the Arbitrator at the place he sees fit, provided that it is no farther than 20 km from the city of Tel-Aviv.
Travelor affiliate marketing material identifies Yossi Cohen (right) as the owner and founder of the company. In his Facebook profile, Cohen cites himself as Travelor’s CEO and owner.
Possibly due to language barriers, I was unable to put together an MLM history on Cohen. His Facebook profile does identify him as CEO and owner of MBK, which appears to be a web development company.
Read on for a full review of the Travelor MLM opportunity.
The Travelor Product Line
Travelor offer access to a free travel booking engine, populated with discounts from a third-party vendor or vendors.
Travelor do not disclose who provides the travel discounts they offer through their website.
The Travelor Compensation Plan
The Travelor compensation plan pays affiliates for travel booked through their replicated travel booking engine. A portion of travel commissions are also paid out via a series of profit sharing pools.
Travelor also pay affiliates to recruit new affiliates, directly and indirectly via a unilevel compensation structure.
Travelor Affiliate Ranks
There are 8 affiliate ranks within the Travelor compensation plan.
Along with their respective qualification criteria, they are as follows:
- Member – pay $1500 to sign up as a Travelor affiliate
- Senior Member – pay $150 a month and personally recruit and maintain four affiliates or have a total downline of ten affiliates
- Silver – maintain at least one personally recruited Senior Member in your downline
- Gold – maintain at least two personally recruited Senior Members in your downline
- Platinum – maintain at least four personally recruited Senior Members in your downline
- Diamond – maintain at least seven personally recruited Senior Members in your downline
- Black Diamond – maintain at least ten personally recruited Senior Members in your downline
- Blue Diamond – maintain at least fifteen personally recruited Senior Members in your downline
Retail Commissions
When non-affiliates book travel through a Travelor affiliate’s replicated travel booking engine, the affiliate earns a 50% commission.
Note that this is a 50% split of the commission Travelor is paid by the travel vendor, not the total amount spent on travel by the customer.
Recruitment Commissions
Travelor affiliates are paid a $150 commission per affiliate they recruit.
A bonus $480 is paid out for every four affiliates recruited within a calendar month.
Senior Member affiliates earn a one-time $720 bonus when their personally recruited affiliates recruit six affiliates of their own.
Residual Recruitment Commissions
Residual recruitment commissions in Travelor are paid out via a unilevel compensation structure.
A unilevel compensation structure places an affiliate at the top of a unilevel team, with every personally recruited affiliate placed directly under them (level 1):
If any level 1 affiliates personally recruit affiliates of their own, they are placed on level 2 of the original affiliate’s unilevel team.
If any level 2 affiliates recruit new affiliates, they are placed on level 3 and so on and so forth down a theoretical infinite number of levels.
Travelor cap payable unilevel levels at seven, with affiliates paid a $45 commission per affiliate recruited into levels two to seven of their unilevel team.
How many unilevel levels a Travelor affiliate earns on is determined by their rank:
- Silver – $45 per affiliate recruited on level 2
- Gold – $45 per affiliate recruited on levels 2 and 3
- Platinum – $45 per affiliate recruited on levels 2 to 4
- Diamond – $45 per affiliate recruited on levels 2 to 5
- Black Diamond – $45 per affiliate recruited on levels 2 to 6
- Blue Diamond – $45 per affiliate recruited on levels 2 to 7
Profit Sharing
Travelor pay affiliates a minimum 50% share of commissions paid to them by travel vendors.
Travelor’s share of travel commissions is approximately 50% (the other 50% is paid to the affiliate who the travel was booked through), minus ‘all Company payments and deductions of undertakings by law‘.
- 50% is shared among all Travelor affiliates
- an additional 5% is shared among Senior Member and higher ranked affiliates
- an additional 5% is shared among Silver and higher ranked affiliates
- an additional 5% is shared among Gold and higher ranked affiliates
- an additional 5% is shared among Platinum and higher ranked affiliates
- an additional 5% is shared among Diamond and higher ranked affiliates
- an additional 2% is shared among Black Diamond and higher ranked affiliates
- an additional 2% is shared among Blue Diamond and higher ranked affiliates
Finally, a bonus 1% is shared among Travelor’s first 1000 affiliates.
Neither the Travelor compensation plan or website gives any indication as to how many affiliates have thus far signed up.
Joining Travelor
Affiliate membership with Travelor is $1500 and then $150 a month.
Conclusion
According to the Travelor website, affiliates pay $1500 when they sign up for an “SEO course”. The $150 monthly fee is for ‘trainings in marketing and advertising‘.
That neither of these has anything to do with travel is telling.
The reality is Travelor charge affiliates so much to cover recruitment commissions paid out. It’s also extremely probable that on some level, affiliate fees are used to bump the value of the profit sharing pools.
Travel is notorious for being a competitive industry with razor-thin margins. If Travelor’s profit pools were funded on a percentage of travel commissions alone, each affiliate would likely receive peanuts each month – even at the upper affiliate ranks.
Without documented proof from Travelor however, it’s hard to make a definitive call on whether this happening.
What we can look at though are Travelor’s recruitment commissions, which identify the opportunity as a pyramid scheme.
A Travelor affiliate pays $1500 to sign up and is directly compensated for every affiliate they recruit. Once they’ve recruited enough new affiliates, they also receive residual commissions on affiliates their downline have recruited.
This has nothing to do with travel and is entirely funded by fees Travelor charge affiliates.
At no point in Travelor’s compensation plan is there any requirement to sell travel to get paid.
All a Travelor affiliate has to do is pay $1500, pay a the monthly $150 fee and then recruit others who do the same.
This is chain-recruitment and makes Travelor a pyramid scheme.
As with all pyramid schemes, once recruitment of new affiliates dries up, so too will the majority of commissions paid out.
What little is shared through the profit sharing pools isn’t likely to keep affiliates paying $150 a month, with the scheme collapsing once enough affiliates stop paying.
At $1500 upfront and then $150 a month, it goes without saying that most Travelor affiliates are not going to make back their initial outlay through recruitment.
I am sorry but You wrong. The commission on recruiting is a one time commission only! You don’t get any monthly income from other members payments, no metter on which rank you are placed.
The only difference between the ranks is the extra percentage from the company’s profits. Our monthly fees will be used only for advertising budget (according to the contract).
The one payment is for the SEO course and for those one time commissions because the company’s goal is to reach to 50,000 people around the world and 50,000 people alone (thereis a limit for each country). The profits of the members and the company will gained only from selling tourism products to the public (not to the members).
Travelor is not an MLM company at all. It’s a new model with a very clear and specific business plan.
I would just like to clarify a few points. First of all there are various things that you wrote about Travelor that are inaccurate and some things that are absolutely incorrect.
This is probably a result of the fact that Travelor is just starting to develop internationally and there is not much information available in English yet.
I do not have time to answer all your points because, as a member of Travelor, I am very busy doing the work that all members are required to do which is SEO. I also promote the company through social media.
Every month my income from Travelor is more than the monthly fee that I pay and currently all this money comes from my share in the profits of the website.
The company is still at an early stage and in the future I expect the profits, and my share of it, to be much bigger. There is a limit to the number of people that can join Travelor.
Once we reach this limit we WILL NOT ALLOW anyone else to join.
In Israel the quota of 1000 has already been reached and after that there were still people asking to join and willing to pay the sign-up fee but were turned away!
The whole ‘MLM type-of’ aspect of the company is a small part of the company that will only exist in the company’s initial stage to build up the company. For me personally – I expect to have a very decent income from the company even after the recruitment stage is finished.
People can write what they want about Travelor – but I will still laugh all the way to the bank!
@Max
I am sorry but you don’t appear able to read. The review doesn’t state otherwise.
You get one-time direct and indirect recruitment commissions.
This is chain-recruitment and makes Travelor a pyramid scheme. What else is attached becomes irrelevant in light of recruitment commissions being paid out.
MLM compensation plan = MLM company.
@Eli
Then you have either not recruited anyone or are lying through your teeth.
Just one $150 recruitment commission would dwarf what few cents Travelor would be paying you in travel commissions.
Once the recruitment commissions are maxxed out and you’re still being paid cents each month on travel, either Travelor will collapse or they’ll come up with some bullshit excuse to raise the arbitrary affiliate-cap.
Doesn’t matter. It’s chain-recruitment and makes Travelor a pyramid scheme.
And that’s ultimately what it comes down to. You’re scamming people into a pyramid scheme and don’t even care.
Should of just opened with that, instead of all that pseudo-compliance waffle about travel commissions.
@max
Please don’t post mountains of marketing spam.
Paying recruitment commissions in MLM = pyramid scheme. Feel free to address that, anything else is offtopic.
*you don’t have to recruit! you can only promote the site pay the monthly fee and you still have 50% of the company’s profits.
By the way most of the company’s members are at first rank (and that’s OK).
Whether recruitment commissions are optional or not is irrelevant.
An MLM opportunity paying recruitment commissions = pyramid scheme.
You sign up, pay your $1500 and then get paid to recruit others who do the same. That has nothing to do with travel.
it’s not marketing spam!!! it’s explaning everything you didn’t understand. (Ozedit: I understand recruitment commissions in MLM = pyramid scheme. Address this and stop posting paragraphs of marketing spam.)
@Max
This isn’t a recruitment meeting and you’re not pitching anyone, so drop the “marketing presentation” 5000-word style comments.
You’d also be making a mistake to assume anyone who points out the recruitment commissions Travelor pays out are pyramid scheme in nature, just “doesn’t understand”.
@ Max
Well…. What part of PYRAMID SCHEME don’t you understand?
@Oz
Try to be a little bit opened minded and consider the following:
I will admit – that there is something not completely true about what I wrote.
What I wrote about myself is not really about myself but it is about my daughter. I wrote it about myself in order that the post should not be too complicated to read.
When my daughter heard about Travelor, like you I was very skeptical – I was worried that it is a pyramid scheme. I told her that she could go to a meeting to find out about it, but I also want to come with.
In the meeting Yossie Cohen explained that if 1000 people all work on SEO for selling hotel bookings the company will appear at the top of Google for many different searches. As a computer programmer I understood that this is true. For that reason I joined together with my daughter.
After joining my daughter decided to work very hard to recruit new members in order to get to a high rank and be eligible to receive a large share of the company’s profits.
She received a nice income from commissions and bonuses. However, 3 months ago we reached the limit of recruiting 1000 people in Israel and had not yet started recruiting internationally.
Now my daughter is reaping the benefits of her hard work and has an almost passive income from the company’s PROFITS from sales on the website! She does note receive any more income from new members’ sign up fees either directly or indirectly.
When I wrote about laughing to the bank I was referring to my daughter receiving income from the company’s PROFITS from sales on the website.
I did not work very much on recruiting and as a result I am not on a very high rank. I am very involved in training other members in the SEO aspect of the business in order that our sales increase. I view my monthly fee as good investment for the future.
What happens to this monthly fee? This money is only used for marketing – advertising on television, radio, internet and other media. The company has recently had a series of professionally made adverts on prime time Israeli TV.
You think this is a pyramid scheme?
What pyramid scheme limits the number of people allowed to join?
What pyramid scheme spends money on regular advertising?
What pyramid scheme sells a real product that has value to the buyer?
We are a regular company selling real products which produces a very nice profit. The travel industry is one of the most lucrative businesses in the world.
Plane tickets have small profit margins. Hotel bookings have large profit margins. We sell hotel bookings just like booking.com does.
Within a year or two our recruitment stage will be over and you will hear about Travelor being one of biggest and most successful companies in the travel industry selling hotel bookings.
Oz, if you have the ability to use as much energy in being positive as you have used in being negative – we will be very happy for you to join us and reap the benefits together with us!
So no retail sales then, all recruitment. Like I predicted.
As for the “travel profits” crap, mate travel has notoriously thin margins. You and your daughter are making peanuts on travel commissions, it’s all otherwise recruitment.
One that pays affiliates to recruit new affiliates.
One that pays affiliates to recruit new affiliates.
One that pays affiliates to recruit new affiliates.
I pay a $1500 affiliate fee and get paid when I recruit others who do the same. This has nothing to do with travel.
@Oz
I pay $1500 sign up fee for amazing SEO training from one of the best SEO experts in the world (that would usually cost at least double that amount) and also become eligible to receive a share in the company’s profits. This has nothing to do with MLM or pyramid schemes.
I know personally many of the people that have joined and the main reason why most of them join is to get a share in the company’s profits.
What is the proof that this is true?
On Thursday 10th March 2016 in one day over 100 people joined Travelor even though they knew that the limit of people allowed to join Travelor in Israel is 1000. By the evening that quota was reached.
Why did those last 100 people join? They knew that they would have no chance to join anyone in Israel and many of them did not expect to be able to join people in other countries.
If this was a pyramid scheme those people would have no reason to join! If this is a pyramid scheme – why does Yossie Cohen want to limit the amount of people allowed to join in different regions?
(Ozedit: Recruitment spam removed. Do not repost.)
Booking.com has annual profits of over $2.5 billion. One of our goals is to be bigger than Booking.com.
The combination of using a type of crowdsourcing power of 50,000 members working at SEO and promoting the company through social media, our guaranteed monthly budget for advertising and marking from the members monthly fees and our ability to have low prices due to having very few expenses – we are confidant that we can achieve our goal!
We are not dependent on outside sources of money. We do not need to invest in stock. We do not have many paid workers.
We are currently a team of 1000 entrepreneurs from a country known as “Start-up Nation” working together to build the biggest international online hotel booking business in the world!
This is what excites me and other members. We view any income from recruiting as pigeon feed in comparison to what we expect to earn in the future from the company profits!
You pay a $1500 affiliate fee, which qualifies you to earn commissions when you recruit others who do the same.
In MLM this equates to a pyramid scheme and what is bundled with that affiliate fee is irrelevant.
You know nothing other than your own motivation, so cut the crap.
Those people might very well have joined after those who earned commissions when they joined fed them nonsense about riches on travel commissions alone.
A pyramid scheme in MLM sees affiliates pay a fee and get paid when others are recruited who pay the same. Everything else is irrelevant.
Those schmucks aren’t going to continue to pay $150 a month when Travelor is paying them $5 a month or less in booked travel commissions.
Right. Because the when someone opens up a milkbar the first thing they do is compare themselves to Costco and declare they’re going to be bigger.
Dumbass level of business knowledge confirmed.
Bottom line is Travelor are attached to a third-party merchant. Your deals will as such be available elsewhere.
This is how travel MLMs work.
Travelor doesn’t set its travel prices, the third-party merchant providing them does.
50,000 or even 500,000 affiliates will have no impact on a replicated booking engine provided from the same domain. All this SEO course crap is smoke and mirrors.
Yet right here right now, a dissection of Travelor’s revenue would show the overwhelming majority (likely 95%+) of revenue is derived from affiliate fees.
When that’s your foundation for an MLM opportunity, don’t “expect” the core of your business to change anytime soon.
@Oz
Yes we do! Since Thursday 10th March 2016 there have only been about 10 new recruits because we were not ready to start recruiting internationally.
Even now most members are not working on recruiting internationally and do not intend to. About 50 members did drop out because they expected to see bigger income from profits sooner.
There are still OVER 900 MEMBERS PAYING $150 A MONTH and receiving less than $50 a month in profits. About 500 members receive less than $5 a month. We do not leave because we view this as a good investment!
I am not allowed to tell you what we do or how we do it. All I can tell you is that we learn techniques and within a short time WE SEE how it changes Google search results on computers that were never used by anyone in Travelor!
Some of the things we do, we can only do them because there are so many of us.
Every couple of weeks we get together in an auditorium for 300 people to learn about SEO and promoting the company. Most times there is hardly an empty seat.
During the break we have refreshments and get to know each over. There are other smaller group meetings throughout the country.
Oz, if you really want to know the truth about Travelor, (Ozedit: recruitment spam and attempt to take discussion offsite removed)
Calling it: 2-3 months this is dead.
Also how do you know who is getting paid what in Travelor? Want to disclose something?
I don’t really care what Travelor tells you to do. It’s a single domain with a replicated booking-engine, you’re not having any material impact on SEO.
@Oz
Every member has a back office where we see every website sale. We see what was booked how much was paid and how much profit there was on the booking.
We also see whether the booking was made by someone just coming to the website or whether the sale was made a member of Travelor as a result of the customer following a link provided to them by that member. We even see exactly who that member was.
Travelor provides this transparency to its members that is verifiable because if I see that I or a friend of mine in the company appears to have made a sale I will know if that is true or not.
In our back office we also see what is our share of the profits. Once a month we can withdraw our income from the profits. We provide Trvelor with an invoice and then we receive the money in our bank account.
In May we saw that the graph of the overall profits for the month was double what it was in April even though we have hardly started working on SEO of the website. We can already see that the profits for this month will be much more than last month.
If you see that your company’s profits are increasing almost exponentially and you know that you receive a percentage of the profits – would you leave even if you do not receive any commission from recruiting fees?
No! That is why we happily pay our $150 monthly fee because we see that this company is going places and we want to be part of it.
BTW Yossie Cohen personally showed me an email that he received from one of the big travel companies in Israel asking if we could work together with them or else they will do what we are doing but much better. In other words big travel companies are starting to get worried about us and they have every reason to!
Oz, please continue with your criticisms. This is becoming a great platform for us to explain in detail the truth about out company!
You didn’t mention anything about seeing what each Travelor affiliate is paid. So again, how do you know this information?
Context.
$1 is a 100% increase on last month’s 50 cent commission. I sure as shit aren’t going to continue to pay $150 a month to receive marginal increases though, however trumpted up they might be.
The intentional vagueness in your claim speaks otherwise.
@Oz
Thank-you Oz for giving me the opportunity to clarify that matter. All members are connected to each other on Facebook and WhatsApp.
There are some members that take a more leading role in the company and encourage other members to drive the company forward. Every month a least one of these leaders mentions how much profit the company has made so far that month and what goal we want to reach by the end of the month.
The figure that he mentions we can all see for ourselves online in our back office. Anyone with a calculate can work out, based on that profit, how much income he is supposed to receive that month.
For example, my daughter who is on a high rank in the company is eligible to receive over $200 this month.
If anybody did not receive the money due to them they would not continue paying $150 monthly fee! I do not need to see other peoples bank accounts in order to realize that everyone is being paid.
In addition I see that my daughter and myself receive money from the company so why should I think that nobody else does?
@Eli
So your daughter who works Very hard doing SEO for Travelor lays out $150 per month to receive “over $200”
Sorry but that doesn’t seem like a great deal to me.
@Eli
Hold on,
So as long as you “think” the company is earning profits you think it is a good thing to keep doing.
Yet working at a loss yourself means nothing?
AND
Why isn’t the company directly telling you what is really coming in profit wise?
Hearing it from other members sounds like a weird system for an organized company.
But lets get serious:
If you are profiting from travel – exactly what are those commissions? All I see so far are recruitment commissions as profits.
As far as each person doing SEO for the company that right there sounds like busy work to distract members.
Bottom line if you are paying $150 a month you better have more than dancing numbers in the back office.
You need a clear understanding of what is being sold and those true profits from it. Either you are selling travel or not.
Other such sites online selling travel can barely share profits with anyone. Why would anyone need to pay $150 monthly just to direct people to buy travel?
Recruit a few 100 to pay $150 a month it starts to add up to recruitment commissions and not travel being sold.
@JohnH
You are right! That is a terrible deal! If that was what she was doing I would advise her to leave immediately!
Within a year or two we expect to have 50,000 members and then our recruitment process will be closed!
Once we reach that stage we will have a steady secure budget of $7 1/2 million per month to use for marketing and advertising. With that amount of money we will definitely be able to generate much more sales than we do at the moment.
BTW at the moment we currently have a monthly marketing budget of over $140,000 which we are using in Israel. This is double the amount that the other big travel companies in Israel spend on marketing.
In addition each of the 50,000 members will have on average at least 100 friends on Facebook that within a few minutes they can notify them of our great low prices for holidays and provide them with a personalized link.
When those friends eventually make a booking on our website by clicking on that personalized link (even at a later date) that member will be credited with the sale and receive 50% of the profit of that particular sale. One of our members is currently on a 6 month holiday and wherever he goes he tells people about Travelor.
In the last few weeks I can see online on my back-office that he has sold many hotel bookings. I am sure his friends appreciate it because they can see that we are cheaper than other websites.
With this social force we can promote our company at zero expense to over 5 million people (50,000 members x 100 friends).
In addition, after we are fully trained and experienced, within 2 hours all of us will be able to write content for a page on the website that will cause that page to appear very high on Google.
We have already seen some members achieving these results. If we want to add an additional 50,000 pages to our website to appear high for 50,000 different search phrases – how long will this take us? 2 days with everyone working only 1 hour per day!
Also, we can reduce our prices and still be highly profitable because our expenses are very low. We have very few paid workers.
With the combination of the above 3 powers:
1) Large monthly marketing budget
2) Promotion by a crowdsourcing type-of social force
3) Effective SEO by 50,000 members
4) Lowest prices
I would expect our profits to increase and increase as they have been doing up until now. That is why I wrote that even being pessimistic I would expect my daughter’s income from Travelor NEXT YEAR to be at least somewhere between $2,000 and $5,000 per month.
Therefore it is definitely worthwhile for her to work 5 hours per week and receive only $50 per month now.
(Ozedit: recruitment spam removed)
BTW even if you do not believe in the concept like we do, nevertheless – we DO believe in it. We are still here not because of any MLM type-of commission income, but because we seriously believe that we will be bigger than Booking.com and it will not take us that long!
@Terrence
Let me explain where the idea of the company came from.
The founder of the company is Yossie Cohen. He was the founder and owner of MBK that did SEO for other companies (Skoda, office of the Prime Minister and many others).
He was very successful at it. However, he thought to himself that why not instead of promoting other peoples’ businesses, why don’t I build my own international business and promote it.
He realized that if he had an international team of 50,000 people that would be taught the skills that he knows, he would be extremely effective. He chose the travel industry because it is the most lucrative online selling industry that is legal.
With most companies the owners or partners take on all the risk and in return receive all the profit. Mr. Cohen’s idea (BTW he is not related to me) is that instead of employing many workers, the members will be self employed and each one will take on a small risk and in return receive a share in the company’s profit.
Lets face it – we do not need to give up our day jobs and even if we do not receive any income for a year (which is not true – we do receive) we are talking about an investment of less than $3,000 and we all have the ability to eventually receive a monthly income of at least $1,0000 per month and for some – much more than this.
The question then becomes – how do you get 50,000 people to join and pay $150 per months and for the first half year or year only receive peanuts?
Mr. Cohen came up with the ingenious idea of allowing members to earn a commission from recruitments during the initial stage until the business profits increase. It also helps the recruitment process to advance quickly.
I joined just over a year ago when there were less than 50 members in the company. Many people said that he was crazy to think that he will manage to recruit 1000 in Israel. We achieved that goal sooner than was expected!
@Terrence
Read all my other posts carefully, think about what I wrote and then you will realize that I have already answered all your other points. If there is still something not clear to you. You are welcome to ask.
We know that our business is not a pyramid scheme and it is not even MLM marketing.
In brief:
We sell hotel bookings online. Instead of one or a few owners taking all the risk and all the profits. The risk is divided by the members and the profit is also.
So if a person takes your ID off the link – then what happens?
If that is your only indication of what is going on. You might need more confirmation than that.
SO the average a person spends on booking a trip is what?
YOU would only get a tiny percentage of that. The bigger picture is – its not about the travel is it?
when you have people paying $1500 to join and $150 monthly, lets say – no one buys any travel for two months, who gets paid what?
or lets say you have your 1000 members – and only one person paid for some travel, Who gets paid what?
You still have all that monthly income to the company by all you members paying monthly fees.
Is it still worth it?
Or will the company open the doors to more people being recruited into the scheme?
@Terrence
They buy on the website and it is not credited to me. I just get a small share in the profit of that transaction just like every other member.
(Ozedit: recruitment spam removed)
@Terrrence
We have a website selling hotel bookings.
We work at SEO to promote the website on search engines.
We work at promoting the website through word of mouth and social media.
We are already spending more than any other online travel company in our country on marketing and advertising on the TV, radio, internet and other media.
Our prices are lower than our competitors.
If that is not about travel please tell me what is?
@Terrence
In Israel we reached our quota of 1000 and had people still begging to join. They were not allowed to even though our income from the website was still very low!
Oz, you can’t take a text that explains the busses plan of the company, it’s reasons and it’s goals and say it’s a spam. Especially when the next things you are claiming in your next comment is being answered and proven to be wrong by that text.
According to the company’s contract the company’s profits and it’s members will come only from selling vacation products to the public!! The one time commission it’s an optional one and it’s not really big money. The reason we pay the monthly fee is for the piece of the company’s potential profits.
The company sales hotels to the public and take 5% commission, while booking and expedia take 20-45% commission from its costumer because these companies has expenses which Travelor don’t have (not mention the crowd sourcing power which these companies or any company doesn’t have and if they would like to pay for that- well, a lot of money which means higher prices for their products, but everyone sales the same products in tourism industry).
Of course our prices is from third-party! We are not have the market power to get the lowest wholesale prices directly from the hotels but we are on our way there. So mean while we get our wholesales prices from someone else. (yet, at the moment,we have better prices 75-80% of the time).
Travelor intends to take even higher (up to 10-15%) commission from our costumers as soon as we can get the best wholesales prices directly from the hotels earn more, but have the lowest prices 100% of the time. please go and learn about travel agencies companies before you criticize us.
By the way all the members as same as I can go and check the financial reports of the company to se if everything that showing up at the back office is “real” (and i check this). Because my every day “job” is real estate and company investments (I am an entrepreneur).
And for thinking that we can beat booking “it’s ridiculous”, it’s the right mind-set for success. Go read about the history of big companies that have vanished (like IBM) and understand these thoughts are not so ridiculous.
@Oz, @JohnH, @Terrence
Keep going! I am loving this! I still have many more great things to tell you about Travelor!
Yet you don’t own the booking engine – so who gets the major share of the profit from the sale of any of the bookings?
How is that profit split
the booking engine gets what 50%
the owner of your site gets 25%
and the last 25% is split with how many members
yes its looking great so far.
so a person spending $2000 on a vacation how much of that is profit?
Did you say you have the lowest prices or that you can set the lowest prices?
If that is so then that means less and less profits to have the lowest prices. SO explain to me again how this is profitable long term?
Maybe I missed that part where everyone profits from these really low low prices.
Since everyone knows what is coming in I am sure you can explain how all this is profitable from average bookings so far. Else its obvious it is not about the travel at all.
We just want you to admit it.
I think I can take the ID off of it – my point is if the site allows bookings without id then I guess that is stealing.
I guess some just don’t care about things like that.
@Max- travelor member I didn’t know IBM vanished – When did that happen?
@Terrence
Okay! When we talk about profit we are talking about after the booking engine.
Right now I see in the back office that a member called Chagit sold a hotel booking in Comfort Inn Yosemite Area. The transaction was $243 and the profit was $12.15 which is about 5% of the sale price.
Chagit will see in here back office that income from her personal sales went up by $6.07 (50% of $12.15). The other $6.07 profit is divided as follows:
20% goes to Yossie Cohen the founder and owner of Travelor.
50% is divided amongst all members.
An additional 5% is divided by all members on level 2.
An additional 5% is divided by all members on level 3.
An additional 5% is divided by all members on level 4.
Etc. up to a total of 80% of the profit.
(Ozedit: recruitment spam removed)
@Terrence
At the moment 5% which is $100. When we become bigger our bargaining power with the hotels will be greater so we will be able to increase our profits without increasing our prices.
We expect in the future to have profits of 20% or more and still be the cheapest!
@Terrence
I think that he is referring to IBM not viewing Microsoft as a company that would become big and therefore gave Microsoft various software rights on their computers. In the end Microsoft became much bigger than IBM.
@Terrence
One of our competitors in Israel has over 1,000 employees. We have less than 50. All the rest of the work is done by our members.
In that way we save over $2 million dollars a month. With that saving we can reduce our prices and have high profit margins.
@Eli
Recruitment spam = auto spam bin.
1. MLM compensation plan = MLM opportunity.
2. Paying recruitment commsisions in MLM = pyramid scheme.
@Oz
We are interested in more members joining for the reasons I have mentioned in my posts. I would be more than happy for people to join through other members and not through me!
@max
Spam is spam. If I see it, it’s gone.
According to Travelor’s compensation plan, affiliates are paid to recruit new affiliates. In MLM this is known as a pyramid scheme.
@Eli
I don’t care what you’re interested in. Any comment with a ref link is going in the spam bin.
Pyramid scheme he says… Travelor is not even a MLM company! And if don’t get it my friend, it’s going to be hard for us to continue the discussion.
Travelor is a start up company which builds its self with a very unique way, with specific business plan and goals.
@Oz
Fine! I did not know that that was your rule. This is your website and I agree to abide to your rules!
Have a great weekend!
If membership is closed then why is the website looking for new members?
There’s nothing “ingenious” about allowing members to make the bulk of their income from recruitment.
It’s called “endless chain recruitment” aka pyramid scheme, no matter the time frame.
Saying Travelor is operating illegally only until there’s sufficient profit to distribute makes no difference.
@Max
MLM compensation plan = MLM company.
Paying recruitment commissions in MLM = pyramid scheme.
The only person “not getting it” is you.
So he picked a business with traditionally RAZOR THIN margins (i.e. travel) that he has NO Experience in, already full of competitors INCLUDING GOOGLE ITSELF, not to mention Travelocity, Orbitz, Expedia, and other meta-search engines including Kayak, Priceline, etc, and you actually think that’s a GOOD business model?
@Oz
Okay lets clarify this whole “Pyramid Scheme” problem.
Consider the following:
I am going to bring an analogy that has 2 assumptions:
(Ozedit: Waffle that has nothing to do with MLM companies removed. In MLM recruitment commissions = pyramid scheme.)
@littleroundman
I consider the ingenious part is the fact that Travelor is not an MLM marketing company and yet it provides a way for members to have an income even in the initial recruiting stage before the company starts making reasonable profits.
@littleorundman
There is absolutely nothing illegal about Travelor whatsoever!
I can even tell you that I personally know of 4 lawyers that have joined and are members of Travelor. One of them voluntarily answers any legal questions that any members have. Before he joined he checked out the contract and all the legal aspects of the company extremely thoroughly.
@K. Chang
Booking.com has annual profits of over $2.5 billion. The profit margin for websites selling hotel bookings is 10%-20% or higher for very big companies that can make better deals with the hotels.
When people talk about the travel industry having razor thin margins they are usually referring to flights.
@Eli
Don’t waste my time with non-MLM analogies to justify MLM pyramid schemes.
If it’s MLM and you’re paying affiliates to recruit new affiliates, you’re in a pyramid scheme.
MLM comp plan = MLM opportunity.
Hotels do about 10% profile. 10%-20% better than that is 12%.
MLM needs about 40% margin to pay multilevel commissions. Did you know that?
So where you are coming up with the extra, 28% margin?
your statement is contradictory.
you say travelor is not MLM and then add that recruitment commissions are being paid in the ‘initial recruiting stage’.
your passion and belief in the profitability of selling travel is commendable, but there is no excuse for starting out the business as a pyramid scheme however noble the intention of the promoters may be.
take off your rose tinted glasses and try to grasp what is being said here.
a quick glance at the travelor facebook page shows that the conversation is mainly about the ‘product’ ie travel bookings, hotel rates etc.
i did not see any ‘recruit and get a big commission’ kind of talk there.
though this is not a confirmation of anything, it is a fair indicator of ‘intent’.
if travelor thinks it can share good profits from travel booking with its affiliates, it should drop this ridiculous $1500 entry charge and the recruitment commissions.
let affiliates join for a small non-commissionable refundable fee, and sell travelor products and share the profits.
if the travel business really has a sufficient profit margin to share profits with so many affiliates, then more power to travelor.
right eli cohen?
Oh ???? And how did you come to that conclusion ???
Here’s a tip for you:
The compensation plan dictates whether or not Travelor is an MLM company, not what the owner tells you.
verifiable source to back that up please.
I googled ‘hotel in Israel’. I stopped trawling search results on the 4th page. Travelor.me is nowhere.
1000 affiliates using SEO expert secrets LMFAO.
My niche website gets 50k uniques daily. I get SEO idiots mailing me all the time. I’ve yet to meet an SEO ‘expert’ who has a clue about internet marketing.
Skoda and the Office of the Prime Minister! – wtf does Skoda and the Prime Minister need SEO for? Quote me a search that returns the Skoda website, which doesn’t contain the keyword Skoda!
Obviously Eli’s daughter and fellow victims need to work a lot harder on SEO than she already is for her $200 per month.
They are letting Travelor down badly.
@Terrence
Membership is closed in Israel because the quota for that country has been reached. Membership is open in other countries.
@anjali
I explained why Travelor is not a pyramid scheme but the administrator of this website would not publish my post.
@JohnH
You are correct. We are only just starting:-)!
@Eli
You posted paragraphs of offtopic waffle that had nothing to do with paying recruitment commissions being a pyramid scheme in MLM.
To date you have failed to address Travelor being a pyramid scheme.
You didn’t find Travelor because the SEO is in Hebrew right now. When we will have members from other countries such as US you will find Travelor at the top of the first page at Google like you can find us now in Hebrew with plenty key words in a very short time (we actually promote travelor for just 3 months).
Let me tell you something abou MLM companies. You are not defining a company as a MLM company just because it’s recruiting people. (Ozedit: MLM compensation plan = MLM opportunity. I’m getting sick of repeating myself.)
The only reason that the company has a temporary recruitment system it’s because it want to reach it’s goal more rapidly (and it’s very hard to to do this alone- recrute 50,000 around the world) so the company could promote its products sales to the public and compete with the other international companies.
All the recruitment system exist so people wouldn’t come and say like “okay, nice idea- lets speak again when you will reach the 48,000 mark” and because joseph knew he couldn’t recruit 50,000 by himself in a reasonable period. that’s why There are bonuses for those who will help the company to reach it’s goal, but you don’t have to recruit.
About the commisions for the personal recruitment- it’s a one commission only. And Joseph admits that this money comes from the one time payment (1500$) and the only reason is to motivate people to help with recruitmen and that they could have some income while the company build itself. but it’s a small money.
The real prise is the rank- extra percentage from the profits which you are sharing only with those members who have the same rank. And because the number of members is limitted and the rank is given for personal recruitments, as you rising through the ranks you share it with fewer people and could have a big potential profits.
Travelor is mot and MLM company. (Ozedit: Snip. MLM compensation plan = MLM opportunity.)
@Max
There is no justification for a pyramid scheme.
(Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempts removed)
How exactly can I explain and prove that the company and its business opportunity is legitimate if you don’t let me to show you and everybody else the busuness plan.
@Travelor
The business plan isn’t a mystery, you don’t have to explain it (and invariably wind up posting recruitment spam).
If you wan’t to claim Travelor is legitimate, you’re going to have to explain how recruitment commissions in MLM isn’t a pyramid scheme. Therein lies your problem.
So are you promising for the company that this “recruitment bonus” phase will stop in the near future? Are you ALLOWED to say that?
Also, please keep your story straight.
How can you have RANK if you don’t have levels? Do you even remember what MLM stands for? Or did your company not even hand out basic definitions? Or did they fed you the WRONG information? And you are just regurgitating it on command?
Because you don’t earm money from the other members!!!!!!!!!!! that’s why it’s not an MLM company (Oz delete this as well and all the others would keep asking the the same questions and claim the same claims).
and yes K.Chang. I allowe to say anything for 2 reasons.
1. there is a contract which approve anything I have said which you are sighning when you are join the company
2. When you join you can speak with the CEO (Josheph Cohen) directly everytime you want- so I kind of know him and the business plan as well my own palm.
Have a nice day!
I pay $1500 to become a Travelor affiliate.
I recruit someone who does the same and I get paid $150.
Totally a recruitment commission and in MLM, totally a pyramid scheme.
They both have said a few times it is a mlm system a few times.
Why are they both fighting against it?
Embrace it as so and move on!
Or
Just remove the mlm elements period.
End of story.
Lies, lies, lies through the teeth.
I tried few common hotel and travel related Google searches in HEBREW as a native Hebrew speaker. Travelor is NOWHERE to be found, even at page 10.
I feel sorry for all of you who were scammed into this poor MLM scheme.
Remember guys, when there is no product, or, when the same “product” is a commodity which can be sourced from literately hundred of different sites – YOU are the product.
You better re-read Travelor terms and conditions, page 33. For each person added as downline, the guy gets $150
Member join for $1500, terms and conditions, page 5
So you do get money for recruiting.
Maybe you should actually *read* the contract you signed before trying to deny it.
I was invited by a neighbor who posted an ad in community board (he was already a member and paying $150 a month) to a recruiting meeting in Tel Aviv and I saw that it was a pyramid scam, and I told him that he will eventually stop paying that money and will lose the whole money he paid to join. A BIG Scam.
Sadly, it’s still running in Israel. Like most travel oriented MLM companies, it’s a simple pyramid scheme, as margins in the travel industry is too low to allow actual profits.
Furthermore, with coronavirus, there is no travel expenses and the company is still recruiting here.