Kairos Technologies Review: Cloud-services & Ponzi ROIs
Aside from claiming to be based in the UK, there is no information on the Kairos Technologies website indicating who owns or runs the business.
A Google search of the provided UK address reveals multiple businesses operating out of the same address, suggesting that it is a rented mailing address.
A “US Representative Office” address is also provided on the Kairos Technologies website, however this address belongs to iCorporate.
On their website iCorporate advertise corporate registration services both in the US and offshore.
For all intents and purposes, Kairos Technologies would appear to exist in the UK and US in name only.
The Kairos Technologies website domain (“kairosplanet.com”) was registered on the 18th of June 2014, however the domain registration is set to private.
Further research reveals a Kairos Technologies marketing video, identifying Janni Cavassini as the CEO of the company.
Why Cavassini’s name does not appear anywhere on the Kairos Technologies website is unclear.
On his LinkedIn profile, Cavassini credits himself as “Head of investments at Kairos Technologies”. Cavassini also lists his location as Dubai in the UAE, which is likely where Kairos Technologies is infact being operated from.
Possibly due to language barriers, I was unable to trace any MLM history of Cavassini’s prior to Kairos Technologies.
Read on for a full review of the Kairos Technologies MLM business opportunity.
The Kairos Technologies Product Line
Kairos Technologies has no retailable products or services, with affiliates only able to market Kairos Technologies affiliate membership itself.
Bundled with Kairos affiliate membership is access to:
- Kairos Mail – “secure email service”
- Kairos Surf – “secure internet access”
- Kairos Disk – “secure cloud storage of data” and
- Kairos Phone – “secure VOIP services”
What services Kairos Technologies affiliates get access to depends on how much they invest:
- Standard ($125) – access to Kairos Mail
- Silver ($597) – access to Kairos Mail and Kairos Disk
- Gold ($1577) – access to Kairos Mail, Kairos Disk and Kairos Surf
- Platinum ($2777) – access to Kairos Mail, Kairos Disk, Kairos Surf and Kairos Phone
The Kairos Technologies Compensation Plan
The Kairos Technologies compensation plan is not provided on the company website. As such, the following analysis has been put together from various Kairos Technologies affiliate presentations.
In exchange for giving Kairos Technologies access to storage on an affiliate’s computer, Kairos Technologies advertises the following ROIs on investments made with the company:
- Standard ($125) – $312.50 annual ROI
- Silver ($597) – $1492.50 annual ROI
- Gold ($1577) – $3942.50 annual ROI
- Platinum ($2777) – $6942.50 annual ROI
Referral commissions are available on the above invested amounts, paid out through a unilevel compensation strucure.
A unilevel compensation structure places an affiliate at the top of a unilevel team, with every personally recruited affiliate placed directly under them (level 1):
If any level 1 affiliates go on to recruit new affiliates of their own, they are placed on level 2 of the original affiliate’s unilevel team.
If any level 2 affiliates recruit new affiliates they are placed on level 3 and so on and so forth down a theoretical infinite number of levels.
How much of a referral commission is paid out is determined by a Kairos Technologies affiliate’s rank, as well as the unilevel level a new investment was made:
- Assistant (invest funds with Kairos Technologies) – 15% referral commission on level 1 (personally recruited affiliates) and 3% on level 3 onwards
- Manager (recruit at least three affiliates) – 15% on level 1, 10% on level 2 and 5% on level 3 onwards
- Senior Manager (qualification unknown) – 15% on level 1, 10% on level 2 and 7% on level 3 onwards
- Master (qualification unknown) – 15% on level 1 and 10% on level 2 onwards
- Executive (personally recruit and maintain at least six Master ranked affiliates) – 15% on level 1, 10% on level 2 and 15% on level 3 onwards
- Founder Executive (personally recruit and maintain at least three Master and three Executive ranked affiliates) – 15% on level 1, 10% on level 2 and 17% on level 3 onwards
- Consul (personally recruit and maintain at least six Executive ranked affiliates) – 15% on level 1, 10% on level 2 and 20% on level 3 onwards
- Founder Consul (personally recruit and maintain at least three Executive and three Consul ranked affiliates) – 15% on level 1, 10% on level 2 and 22% on level 3 onwards
- Ambassador (personally recruit and maintain at least six Consul ranked affiliates) – 15% on level 1, 10% on level 2 and 25% on level 3 onwards
- Founder Ambassador (personally recruit and maintain at least three Consul and three Ambassador ranked affiliates) – 15% on level 1, 10% on level 2 and 27% on level 3 onwards
- Chief Ambassador (personally recruit and maintain at least six Ambassador ranked affiliates) – 15% on level 1, 10% on level 2 and 30% on level 3 onwards
Note that “level 3 onwards” extends down an infinite depth, for as many levels of each individual unilevel leg exist.
The Matching Bonus pays Executive or higher ranked affiliates a 1% percentage match of earnings paid to recruited affiliates.
The bonus is paid out down five levels of recruitment (using the same unilevel structure as referral commissions above).
Leader Supporting Bonus
The Leader Supporting Bonus is a 1-2% matching bonus paid out on Executive or higher ranked affiliates, found within the first five unilevel levels (of any given leg).
The Generation Bonus is open to Consul or higher ranked affiliates, and pays a 1% bonus on earnings of an affiliate’s two strongest unilevel legs.
Note that the Generation Bonus is capped at no more than 70% of a Kairos Technologies affiliate’s total earnings.
World Bonus Pool
The World Bonus Pool rewards Kairos Technologies top recruiters.
Each quarter, the company splits 1% of the global investment turnover with Kairos Technologies “most successful partners” (investment volume).
Joining Kairos Technologies
Affiliate membership with Kairos Technologies is tied to how much an affiliate invests when they join:
- Stanard – $125
- Silver -$597
- Gold – $1577
- Platinum – $2777
The primary difference between these investment levels are bundled Kairos Technologies service and income potential through the compensation plan (see above).
The red flags with Kairos Technologies begin with a lack of management disclosure on the company’s website. It then continues on with a complete lack of information about the Kairos Technologies compensation plan provided.
These are two of the biggest initial red flags an MLM opportunity can trigger, so straight off the bat we’re approaching with caution.
The next obvious red flag is the “passive income” Kairos Technologies offer.
Kairos Technologies affiliates invest up to nearly $3000 on the promise of annual 250% ROIs.
With no discernible external source of revenue, that leaves newly invested funds being used to pay off existing Kairos Technologies investors:
CEO Janni Cavassini’s title of “Head of Investments” pretty much sums things up…
By using newly invested funds to pay off existing investors, Kairos Technologies functions as a Ponzi scheme.
The bundled services are neither here nor there, serving only to act as a paper-thin veil to legitimize what is otherwise investment fraud.
I will state that in this particular instance, the “renting” of disk space to Kairos Technologies is alarming.
As part of their Ponzi scheme, Kairos Technologies request affiliates grant them access to up to 320 GB of local storage space for up to 10 hours a day.
Affiliates have no idea what Kairos Technologies do with this space, nor the nature of any data Kairos Technologies’ servers upload to it.
For a company that purportedly deals with “secure” cloud-service offerings, the irony here is hilarious.
In any event, as with all Ponzi schemes a lack of new affiliate recruitment will see Kairos Technologies unable to meet it’s annual ROI obligations.
At that point the scheme collapses, with Janni Cavassini doing a runner with whatever funds remain.
What’s worse is being an annual ROI Ponzi scheme, investors are unlikely to see a collapse coming. ROIs are paid out daily but those are just numbers on a screen until actual withdrawal requests go through and are paid.
Kairos Technologies obviously can’t pay out more than is invested, so the combination of 250% annual ROIs, referral commissions and various bonuses stretches invested funds pretty thin.
For an glimpse of what Kairos Technologies affiliates can expect, we need only turn to a recent similar opportunity.
WCM777 launched in 2013 and also sought to combine cloud-based services with a Ponzi scheme business model.
Hit the nail review… besides that:
Some Kairos affiliates in their presentations are making (very likely false) vague claims about “retail” sales. They ensure Kairos delivers cloud services to corporations like Bosch, Sony Playstation, Nissan Motors, Hamé etc.
Rental of these “large scale secured cloud services” to corporate clients shall be a source of the passive income and commissions for affiliates.
Trouble is… these claims are not backed up on official Kairos web site itself. No mention about corporate clients and partners there.
I am pretty sure if Kairos had any corporate client, it would be listed on Kairos website.
Affiliates are looking for other affiliates, not for corporate clients. They believe targeting corporations is a task for Kairos (and that’s true). But Kairos is not targeting corporate clients on Kairos website by any other way than by a short notice: “FOR CORPORATE CLIENTS – Lease of grid resources”.
So – who is marketing Kairos corporate services? And it would be interesting to contact mentioned corporations and ask them about their partnership with Kairos.
– what kind of corporate client would put its data on “secure” cloud provided by a company with no history, no contact person and virtual office only in London?
– Who would put critical corporate data on peer-to-peer cloud of unmanaged PCs of affiliates?
– Who will trust Kairos providing no further information about security level of their cloud/grid, with no technical details about used technology, no security certification and audit?
I guess – nobody.
Based on their business model, it’s painfully obvious no corporate partnerships exist.
Ponzi schemes try to align themselves with third-party businesses all the time. It’s an attempt at legitimacy via association and always backfires spectacularly (when the company they’re claiming partnership with finds out and denounces them).
Let’s have a look at some figures (a rough and very optimistic calculation):
Kairos pays to affiliates $37 – $39* per 1 GB per year for storage rental. Very generous… 😉
But – does it makes a (business) sense to Kairos?
Let’s have a look at the price of 1 GB on hard drives. Well, nowadays prices of one GB on hard drives are less than $0.03!
Would not be more efficient and economical (for Kairos!) to buy and maintain (safe) storage space about $0.03/GB than to lease unsafe, uncontrollable and unmanaged storage from affiliates for about $40/GB?
It means – Kairos shall sell 1 GB in their cloud for more than $40 per year. Does it make a sense for prospective Kairos corporate clients?
Price of 1 GB on Google or Dropbox drive (tariff: 1 TB) is $0.12
Is > $40 competitive price for added value of (unspecified) security? Mind you: you can easy encrypt your data before sending them to cloud…
* I assume Kairos must have at least 3 times more storage space on the drives of affiliates than space required for data (affiliates maximize their income when their drive is available 10 hours daily, thus 24/10 = 2.4, rounded up to 3).
In fact, Kairos needs much more drive space to provide reliable service, because off-time of each affiliate is quite frequent and absolutely unpredictable and uncontrollable.
(Yearly payment from Kairos – affiliate’s initial yearly payment) / (rented drive space / 3)
How about this?
Other than naming Miguel Luis Vieira (Portugal) as a Director and Artem Grebinnyk (UK) as a former Director, what of it?
UK company registration requires a 20 pound fee and an address in the UK, which can be a rented mailbox.
Rover, your link exhibits some red flags:
– company Kairos has “Active – dormant” status
– net worth, total assets and cash in bank is… 1000 GPB.
Well it’s more than many others of 525 “companies” residing on the same address have, but it’s still not a sign of serious business.
So that’s about this. 😉
Small update about “reatil prices” of alleged Kairos products:
Some affiliates stated in their presentations that Kairos is selling 1 GB (or Gb?) of storage space in their cloud for $12.50 to coroporate clients (Bosch, Nissan Motors, Sony Playstation etc.) but production costs are $2.50 per GB (or Gb?).
This statement (figuress & partners) cannot be verified on official Kairos webpages. Affiliates has stopped and lefts the discussion when I asked them for the proof of their statements. Another red flag – they’ve got nothing in their dirty hands.
Mind you: my (very optimistic) calculation above makes me think that production price cannot be under $40 for GB. With respect to current prices of hard drives, it looks like absurd “business plan”.
from the source endole.co.uk –
Conclusion: Artem Grebinnyk is irrelevant when looking for Kairos legitimacy.
Miguel Luis Vieira can be more interesting person to explore…
Sounds like Interush in China and Hong Kong.
Proxy officer is quite common in legitimacy faking.
I asked Kairos support about Kairos disk:
Here it the answer:
OK, so Kairos does not have any retail product now.
So called corporate clients and retail product pricing was a lie of some affiliates, reproduced and spread during their presentations. Great, they make themselves fools!
Looks like the only financial source (used for generous commissions and residual income for disk space rental) for affiliates are… payments from other affiliates for “investment packages”. Pyramid scheme by nature.
I wonder if there will be any retail sales of Kairos services in future (production cost $40 for 1 GB per year… crazy).
Can this be fixed? Perhaps… if Kairos dramatically reduce commissions paid to affiliates for their PC resources rental and find retail customers to lease gained “grid resources” ASAP.
Nut after cutting the commissions and residual income – I wonder if affiliates keep their loyalty.
To make story complete… Previous email conversation took place on 15th October 2015.
I had further email exchange with Kairos on 19th October 2015:
The answer is rather cryptic – it does not deny nor confirm existence of the contracts with the corporate clients I asked about. But I dare to read between the lines here – they really don’t exist.
One of so called “partner companies” presented by affiliates (Hamé) denied partnership with Kairos.
Probably only existing a long term partnership contract was signed with Dagrsol – a “wannabe” search portal company, registered in Henderson, NV 89074, United States… but operated from Kazakhstan. Company has started registration (with referral link – so another “MLM” running company?) before they started to run real search service.
Entry page “dagrsol.com” or “dagrsol.ru” of this portal is now often defunct. In Google search results is company home page far behind other entries (press releases about partnership with Kairos, social media rants…).
And Dagrsol home page entry (placed on 3rd page of search results) was once flagged as “site is probably hacked” in Google search results.
As of Kairos statement from mid October:
Nothing visible has been done so far.
People behind Kairos:
Boys together: nolink://goo.gl/aBk4vG
Most of these people were involved in other MLM (or MLM pretending scams) before.
Figurehead CEO from Portugal. Formerly in real estate industry in Switzerland nolink://www.matco-immobilier.ch/ – see section Contacts. Also connected to Ray Just Energy (energy drinks) – nolink://goo.gl/Rt9XeP
Fan of Motorsport – he made use of his contacts in this area to promote either Kairos, so as Ray Just Energy.
So called Director of Network Development at Kairos Technologies Limited.
Top promoter. Organizer of “roadshows” and meetings in Slovakia, Ukraine, Russia, Hungary.
Roadshow at Dubai: nolink://goo.gl/8ofqUG
Roadshow at Bratislava (with his sister Kateryna Ondrejkova): nolink://goo.gl/PbnVzZ
Roadshow in Hugary: nolink://goo.gl/2IMgon
Roadshow at Moscow: nolink://goo.gl/0KahSj
Formerly Nu Skin and Swiss Halley promoter.
A nice MLM cat and various “get rich quick” schemes promoter in Germany. Some of his activities:
glxpage, now Goolux24 (poduct by Dooplix)
MLM promoter from Ukraine. Projects: WCM777, Vizinova, AutoPCL…
Proxy officer, former (initial) CEO of Kairos. As shareholder, he and his wife 100% owns Kairos (via their company Finapo Ltd.) nolink://www.endole.co.uk/company/09152272/kairos-technologies-limited
Alleged Kairos CEO, he appeared on some marketing videos together with other Kairos cats nolink://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwq2rLmrORw , but his role is not clear. Perhaps he has helped to finance the project in the beginning.
Slovak leader and founder of “fan-site”. nolink://kairosplanet.sk
Because Otokar Kasynets is her brother, it’s hard to believe she’s merely “fan” and “affiliate”.
Email exchange with Sony’s and Nissan’s hungarian office (in hungarian language):
They claimed: there is no relationship between their company and Kairos Technologies Limited. So, Kairos Technologies Limited is lying:
Thanks for your info Triacus. I plan to get more data from companies who Kairos should be working with.
I believe that they are just “House-Of-Card program”.
I wrote to Besra and InCoR Holdings too, but they didn’t answer (yet)
I think that Besra will not respond because the people in the Top there is also invloved with Kairos
And what about Kairos Technologies Inc. (433 E Las Colinas Blvd, Suite 1240, Irving, TX 75039, kairostech.com )?
Different logo, different HQ, different company executives, but similar orientation (cloud technologies).
Technologies Inc. (kairostech.com) seems to be different business with same name by coincidence.
Next-to-unknown companies Besra and InCor have (personal) connection with leaders of Kairos (kairosplanet.com). In any case, I would not call them referential corporate clients of Kairos.
“Dummy clients” or “Friends of Kairos” – it suits them better. I would not mind whatever they say (if the say anything) about their relation to Kairos.
Oleksiy Kocherev is only one known person in IT company Kairos with IT background.
Yeah, seems to be. But is it sure?
It should be ascertained that the two companies are not in anyway related.
Or one is registered with intent to be confused with the other.
Decompiled source code of Kairos Planets’ client software:
@4n0nym0us What about RentModule.dll ? Was there any paid package present when you decompiled the application ?
@-: Rentmodule.dll was not present. It was just only the freely – after registration by invitation code – available client, that contains these files:
@4n0nym0us Exactly what is it? So is it a bad thing?
User “-” did some reverse engineering of Kairos klient app in Slovak forum about Kairos. His conclusions:
– App itself is harmless.
– It only pings Kairos server to count affiliate “online” time (for resources rental reward calculation)
– it checks installed/bought modules
– it gives access to affiliate’s backoffice and basic functions (like password change)
– it downloads RentModule.dll and pass control to this module (possible backdoor, depending on RentModule.dll content)
So analyse of RentModule.dll is needed.
But anyway – as RentModule.dll is downloaded/updated on the go, even “clean” status of RentModule.dll today is no guarantee of “clean” status tomorrow.
Chances are it’s some sort of copy protection from the developer, but you’re right, no guarantee how “safe” it may be.
RentModule.dll does not seem to do anything really “smart”.
First of all, a source code for RentModule.dll is much smaller than for KairosPlanet.exe main file. So we cannot expect anything sophisticated and robust.
With some overhead, RentModule.dll does this:
It looks for the rented package (Silver, Platinum…). Based on the package type, it creates a hidden file “_disc” with an adequate allocated size in folder “_WinApp” on the first available hardrive with a sufficient storage space. That’s all.
The file “_disc” consumes a storage space of the user, but is not used by any other means. No sign of a distributed processing nor managing distributed storage space.
Good luck in “beta testing” of this software for affiliates!
I think so 😉
If you open file _winApp/_disc (this supposed to be a container for Peer to Peer cloud data), you see it is absolutely empty (filled in with binary zeroes).
It’s in tune with analysis of Kairos client software, which initialize this file to size according to bought “investment package type”, but does not use it any other way.
It means one thing: promised distributed processing and cloud storage for Kairos’ corporate clients does not exist. It’s total fiction and fake. How it goes with Kairos mission statement?
One year of faked operation and lies.
What if (I take very positive approach) Kairos first would like to spread and see how much storage they can have (for this they chosen to use mlm).
So the app for now just (in beta version) allocates space and counts time. Once they make sure there is enough space then they can offer service to big clients.
Obviously this requires huge redundancy, same data has to exist at least 100 different places.
Approx 60 000 affiliate clearly not enough. And another question why would Sony change to a 300 times expensive storage.
It only (kind of) makes sense if they don’t find a data centre secure enough and prefer what promised by Kairos that their data isn’t just encrypted but also broken into spall pieces spread across multiple computers making impossible to a hacker to recover data.
Have they proven that they can recover data broken in tiny pieces if something goes wrong?
One does not have to be hacked just to cause damages.
Seems to me that just because they want to over charge for something does not mean its truly a better solution.
If they have 1 or 1 billion users it should not matter.
All it takes is mistake and you have ruined the data and your so called security be it from a hacker or your own system being flawed from the start.
Why would one need to sell various spots up front to justify it?
Okay, but why not store (even fake) data?
They could test the data integrity and the security too.
I asked Sony’s hungarian support, and they answered: they have no relationship with Kairos.
And 100 Amazon S3 (Google Cloud Platform, Backblaze) cloud storage: only costs ~3 USD/GB/month. Not 15.
Dan, your approach is indeed very positive. 😉
The chance this scenario will come true is close to zero.
See Kairos crazy mission statement: nolink://kairosplanet.com/mission-strategy
Paying ~250 000 members for two years of “setting up the business” just for allocating disc space? Yearly investment into affiliates costs minimum 47 000 000 USD, maximum 1 000 000 000 USD per year?
But saving on so called “cloud management” application (which is installed and run by affiliates) and put the whole workload on one freelancer only?
One thing peope haven’t mentioned much, is that from one year affiliate-revenue Kairos could buy several new PCs themselves each year and put them in several different cities.
Summary of the legend (extended mission statement) presented by Kairos and its affiliates about Kairos business operation:
* After one year of Kairos operaiton, there is no available application for distributed processing and data storage. Application installed and used by affiliates is only their “back office” front-end, developed by freelancer Alexander Polikarpov (one man project)
* So far, there are NO known international corporate clients paying for Kairos services
* So called secure phone(s) developed by Kairos are re-branded cheep phones Xiaomi MI3 and Goophone S5 (Samsung S5 clone) with pre-installed Kairos VoIP application
* software services provided for beta-testing (mail, cloud, VPN, sip-voip) provided to affiliates are in fact hosted on other party server (proxy registration) in Germany and are NOT distributed:
server is very likely running some off-shelf third party solution for these services, not the solution developed by Kairos.
* distributed cloud and data processing services run on unmanaged PC in P2P network of affiliates will never be secure and credible.
* distributed cloud and data processing services run on unmanaged PC in P2P network of affiliates needs a lot of storage rendundancy and thus is not efficient (and economical).
* Corporate clients already have policies and procedures how to manage their confidential data. Basic rule is: don’t put it on public internet, keep it safe within internal systems.
* So Kairos will have very hard time to find any “international corporate clients” interested in putting their confidential data on overpriced, unreliable and technically not secure network of unmanaged PCs. 😉
* Kairos as company having only virtual office will have very hard time to find any real (non-virtual) business partner. 😉
In other words, it’s a “place holder” outsourced to some no-name programmer in India written in a couple hours to do nothing other than to count usage time to allocate “profit share”.
No space is being allocated at all. It’s a mirage. Real cloud storage and processing capability can be requested dynamically through Amazon S3 cloud. This is bull****.
Yes, I also thought about it. It could be more financially and technically suitable solution (less costs for running “the cloud”).
But why they lure people with a “tale” they need their disc space?
Why they promise such generous 150% p.a. revenue for (unnecessary) disc space rental?
Why would Kairos lie to its investors (sic!) about the way they want to operate?
Why this masquerade with useless client PC application pretending to “manage the cloud”?
The only one answer can explain this: they want to lure people to pay entry fee, grab it and run away when expansion slows down.
Vanilla pyramid schemes don’t work anymore. There needs to be some product/service that can serve as a “plausible” source of income for the company.
Since most of these unfortunate members are usually non-technical, old and uneducated, any story about “modern Internet stuff” will seem plausible and modern and the “next big thing”.
It’s only there so that there is some story as to why they should pay the starting fee and why they should convince their friends to do the same.
And I guess the Kairos Phone, Cloud etc. are there to motivate buying a more expensive membership package, instead of taking out the money they earned.
If they buy a new, more expenive membership for next year, it may even require them to pay extra, as the revenue of a lower package is not always enough to cover the price difference.
This can give Kairos some more time (and money) before the inevitable happens.
I agree. Just want to add – not only old uneducated people, but also many young wanna-be-tech facebook kids are victims/promoters of this scam.
“Legend” justifying operation of Kairos may look attractive and viable at first sight, but only brainless individuals and/or ruthless shark HYIP “investors” can take it seriously/pretend it is serious.
Of course, re-investment incentive is natural part of promotion and comp. plan setting.
Would this info be legit?
Can someone control is that audit 100% real?
Documents seems to come from these online sources:
and unlocked data from here:
One positivie thing: company published its accounting data and other legal documents.
However, I don’t believe too much in the credit report as of 15th December 2015 – too much empty fields in Financial Accounts report, Profit and Loss report… these data shall be already known more than one year after incorporation.
After all, I would not believe anything to company pretending they have developed P2P cloud software and pretending successful operation of this software on PCs of their affiliates.
Kairos mentioned in their web site that they need all private computers in the world.
This means that all poor simple people will make 250% interest on their money paid by all large businesses in the world. Nice story!
You need to pay a guarantee, that you keep your computer on line for 10 hours.
However, after 5 months you can take your money back. That means that they do not need your security for the next 7 months. Also a very nice story.
There is one simple rule! If the story is too nice to be true, than it is not true!
Good point Maarten.
From legal point of view, there is no clear interpretation of entry fee (what is it for?).
a) This is payment for services used by participants (mail, cloud disc, vpn, phone + voip) – right, but…:
So services are “free”. Participants have to pay entry fee (lease package) to get access to these services (and there’s no other way how to get access), but anyway, Kairos said services are free, so they are free.
b) This is investment
Well, Kairos has no licence to offer investment like other investment companies and funds do. Kairos has no emission of it’s own shares. Do participants buy investment or share?
c) This is guarantee
Maarten already pointed out what a strange logic is behind this business rule (it cannot guarantee smooth operation for the whole lease period). But it’s wicked in other ways:
It’s a participant, who allegedly hires its computer power to Kairos. And Kairos wants a guarantee? The participant shall ask for guarantee! It is his disc and computer resources hired! It’s his computer in the risk of storing illegal content…
But as we know from Kairos software reverse engineering…:
Kairos in fact does not utilize “hired” resources any other way (!!!) but pinging Kairos server (to count participant’s time online) and by creating an empty file on participants computer hard drive!
Turning off all participant’s computers will have no effect on the performance of so called Kairos (non-existing) grid. So this guarantee is for… WHAT?
No, it does not mean all poor people will make 250% ROI. It shall be read as “we want to cheat all people”.
They know ~ 10 000 or ~ 100 000 will be enough.
Yes Mr Czech. I wrote it this way, so that very simple people start to ask themselves, how this is possible.
I went to a seminar here in Estonia. A poor country by the way! And I asked these same two questions to the Kairos speakers.
Of course they did not answer both questions. Also the fact, that I took a journalist with me, made them very angry.
Especially the people, who believed the whole story from Kairos (and that were all of them in the room) were angry with me. I destroyed their dreams, it looked like.
Instead of being happy, that I wanted to save them from losing a lot of money, they were angry with me. I was told, that I am a negative person,not a believer and not very smart and that I do not understand, how to make money nowadays.
I am not an Estonian! I am a foreigner from the Netherlands. And I am an old man living in Estonia.
I learned a lot from this story in my old age. It is like asking critical questions from a Jehova witness, who is ringing your doorbell. They also become angry!
Even if I send some people this web site, with your comments they do not believe it. They like to believe the Kairos people.
And if they lose their money, than they will blame you or me for it. Because, people like you or me, are making this Kairos stop their activities.
I am curious, if you have the same experience.
It is human nature… We take credit for random chance that is beneficial, and blame random chance/external factors when things go poorly.
As X-files Fox Mulder’s poster said, “I want to believe”. They wish to believe, and nothing you say will convince them otherwise.
They will not believe facts (you made it up, you are looking at the wrong data, it’s temporary, and so on), they will not listen to reason. They have been brainwashed into a money cult which does not include you, thus you are the enemy.
My blog covers mindset of such money cultists. amlmskeptic.blogspot.com
Generally – yes, Maarten.
I had some longer term experience in presenting facts about similar “projects” (scams) in various discussion fora. Very rarely you’ve got feedback of type: “Thank you for the facts you’ve dug out, you’ve opened my eyes.”
On one side, you’ve mostly got support from users with same point of view (so they need not to get your warning).
On the other side, you’ve got very negative reaction of “projects” supporters. Often absolutely without any arguments against or evidence on their side. In that case they call you bad names or use other threatening or discreditation techniques.
Pawns in this war (those not aware of project nature) do it because you break their dreams. Leaders do it because this way you expose their business in the danger and cut the time and amount easy money they can receive.
sorry my engilish is bad. kairos planet when it crashes?
When new investors stop investing.
i am thinking to join kairos but after i read those all negative comments i may change my mind..
today i found out that a page that gives info about companies in UK, also shows reliable info about kairos technologies limited.. here is the link you can check it out….
Various legal documents and documents with financial reports may be unlocked on Endole.
Someone published them here:
This is financial credit report as of 15th December 2015 (but evaluated at the end of July 2015):
Note that section of loss and profits is absolutely empty.
Balance sheet present figures IMHO which do not reflect existence of alleged 50.000 partners. Looks like the company is merely “formally” inactive in UK and redirects finance flow through non-EU countries (Ukraine? Russia?) via money processor ePayments (which has Russian origin).
So I don’t take these figures seriously.
Does somebody know if Kairos in the USA is the same company as in the UK? I mean the same owners.
This USA company is sponsoring car races.
Plus on their web site they show all their workers. And payments to Kairos go through a bank in Latvia.
Kairos in the USA – what do you mean?
Kairos Technologies has contract with Greaves Motorsport (subject: marketing cooperation). Yep, this is one of few known and real contractual partners of Kairos. This is PR and marketing partnership (based on sponsoring Greaves Motrosport team by Kairos).
Thus Greaves allowed Kairos to put Kairos logo on their cars for some races. Kairos could make closeup and “behind scenes” videos and photos at this events and use this material for their own agenda and media.
What’s funny – the back link to Kairos on Graves Motorsport web page (list of GM partners) is not a link to Kairos main page, but link to registration form in Kairos cabinet (back office) with predefined “invite code”, e.g. “sponsor”.
Yes, that’s true. This applies (AFIK) for direct bank transfers. But most of the funds goes through payment processor ePayments, which hides the banks behind.
According to their official site:
Kairos Technologies Limited has two office:
– one in London: 3 GOWER STREET, GROUND FLOOR, LONDON WC1E 6HA, United Kingdom
– and one in Albany: 119 Washington Avenue, Suite 101 Albany, NY 12210 with another company name (KAIROSPLANET, INC)
But there is an another firm in the USA:
but this is an another company (I tried communicate with them – asking about the relationship between their company and the Kairos Planet/Kairos Technologies Limited – but they didn’t answer)
Greaves Motorsport is a British racing team:
The 24 Hours of Le Mans race is organized in France:
And the Kairos Technologies Limited’s main office is in London.
Only some people from the management. Where is the CEO, Janny Cavassini.
Because the main developer Alex Kocherev, the marketing director Otokar Kasynets are from Ukraine, it’s logical that their bank is near.
(Not complete) Kairos Planet client-initative for Linux written in Python (Created by me, only for fun):
Maybe useful for cheating: not needed Windows, could run – even in multiple instances – on (virtual) server, SBC (Raspberry Pi,…), could use TOR-network. 😉
Today I heared from the first time about this, a guy was promoting it on a facebook group, I told him is a piramidal scheme and he called me a liar.
can anyone provide me documents or Mails where Nissan and other told that they have no business with Kairos?
Some of my friends are investing and i need to show thats a scam.
In Hungarian language:
This is usual tactics of these “pyramid scheme promoters” how to keep control in their “society”.
They have no arguments and facts on their side, so they simply call any opponents “liars”, “stupid”, “idiots” or in the best case “they don’t have enough information” (of course, they don’t reveal what kind of information are opponents missing).
Thanks Mr Czech,
so many friends of me a scamed and they are doing that, but i heard today that you can’t send money anymore for your invest, they just accept Epayments CreditCard, did you have any informations on that?
Is anyone interested to open a offical blog for the Kairos Scam? I would be interested to help, they already did so much money and nobody is stoping this?
I have no such a detailed information about current payments “mechanics” status.
I have to admit – so far, I have not heard about any sign of troubles with in-coming or out-coming payments. Of course, this is not strong argument.
Affiliates often say: “They pay (me out), so it cannot be scam”. But this is not a proof of legal and sustainable operation of any so called “MLM enterprise”. Same argument was often used for collapsed scams, so it makes no difference.
As far as I know, current preferred payment method (also for withdrawals) is to use ePayment cards. Kairos used to cooperate with PayPal payment processor, but this cooperation does not exist anymore.
Speculation: PayPal is known as quite “stick on legal side” payment processor. PayPal often cuts-off cooperation with companies which alert its “money laundering” and “endless chain payments” filters.
Maybe it is still possible to use direct payments (money in only?) to the bank account at Baltic International Bank in Latvia.
Note also this:
ePayments is a commercial name of payment processor service provided by Electronic Payments Association Ltd (don’t get fooled by the full name of the company – they are not association nor regulator board at all).
Payments Association Ltd is owned by Mr. Mikhail Rymanov – looks like the origin of this company is in Russia, although it has a (virtual) office address in London:
together with thousands of other “companies” at the same address:
ePayments distributes prepaid payment cards (Mastercard) to affiliates. These cards (so called “Travel cards”) are issued by WaveCrest Holdings Limited from Gibraltar (Well, Gibraltar… one of popular territories for money laundering and hiding the nature of business).
Well, what could be “official blog”?
Local banks and regulators every now and then issue a official “warnings” about illegal investment operations (and they are very often too late with these warnings).
Blogs like “Behind MLM” can help, but they are not official (ehm, it’s the nature of the blogs). There are more discussion forums and blogs discussing Kairos and other blogs… just use the search engine.
…they already did so much money and nobody is stoping this?
It’s possible local authorities are already investigating Kairos operation in their countries. Results (if any…) can be presented too late. 🙁
It’s difficult to track the business operation and to act according to local law… when the business is run by Portuguese and Albanian-Kosovo citizens living in Switzerland… from company based in UK… with support in Ukraine… and funds hidden at Gibraltar, Latvia and Belorussia… and with local promoters in many countries like Slovakia, Hungary, Turkey, Czech Republic and Germany…
Update about payments…
I am not sure, if this only applies to money transfers of Czech (and Slovak?) Kairos members.
What’s funny about it:
Company ASSET GLOBAL CONSULTING was established on 2016-02-22.
This is how the residential address of the company looks like (in Prague, Czech Republic):
Note: There are many other companies (often owned by people with Russian or Ukrainian-like names) – see the result of company register query filtered by address:
Owner name suggests he is maybe from Syria or other Oriental country, but his wife seems to be Ukrainian living in Prague.
Personal connection of owner’s family and Alex Kocherev (IT director of Kairos) can be traced.
What can be behind this change? IMHO:
– giving a nice commission to “friends”
– attempt to fly under money laundering radar
Hello all, nice conversation is happening there throughout few months.
I have recently received an offer to join KairosPlanet dot com from my friend, who is foreigner to me. As I understood, he simply looking for people to recruit them, so he can receive more %.
I actually got some user perspective questions…
Could anyone provide an analysis or any answer for example if an user really pays, then rents his storage and how does he receive the money back or that passive income:
1. Does he receive money each day?
2. Are the money eligible to pick up, or by any means be available physically, not just a virtual amount, that’s not even in your bank account, etc.
3. Continuation to 2nd question, money pick-up-able only after year, month, day?
In other words how do they distribute the money.
Other than they don’t use our storage only allocate memory, what in the first place they can store there, for example in my computer.
Not to mention they can use our memory for illegal activity or even to do harmful attacks. Since, of course they ask administrator permissions (probably).
For now perhaps they are just expanding, so the memory is not used at all. Other than this, I don’t think people need their services, as there are many trustworthy alternatives.
Actually people are drawn by the fact they can earn money. So that’s why I am towards user perspective.
As long as you really earn some money, worth to try, but do you really earn, or you earn an illusion which appears to be an illusion after the year…
Yes, indeed they include in presentations the company like Sony and others, I don’t remember which. They even say that their email is more secure than Google’s one.
But, presentation was told to me by the guy, who actually introduced my Estonian friend to Kairos. Who claims (maybe lies) he makes 20k per month and has expanded his level layers with users.
The friend himself says he made 200 by recruiting and presentations. I haven’t asked yet if he is able to grab these money right away.
If in fact you can make money and take them, then that’s cool, even if Kairos fall apart.
As I am smart guy I first of all wanted to receive some documents of how they work, their policy, etc. It took some time from friend to receive info, he said their website has nothing much. Better to look at docs. Unfortunately he didn’t provide me anything.
The first thing I thought, how do they make income themselves (Kairos) if they give away bigger amount of money to users, that rent the storage.
Thanks for reading my message. I would join Kairos if I can make anytime grab able money, but the whole thing isn’t trustworthy. I still got to ask my friend more background information.
The Ponzi ROIs are virtual until withdrawn. The recruitment commissions are made by your friend recruiting suckers such as yourself.
Want proof of withdrawals? Ask the people making income claims.
Then ask then where the money came from. If you’re fine with stealing funds from newly recruited investors, best of luck with your new career in scamming.
The trick is the members’ exponential grow.
If the number of members multiplied by ~1.26 (approx.) in every month, then the system will grow, it will be sustainable, because the new entrants’ entry fee covers the costs of the old members.
Some hungarian guy wrote to the Sony, they said: “we are not in relationship with this company”.
Here is the mail-exchange (in hungarian language): ow.ly/XSO0h
They (Kairos) have one mail server at mail.kairosplanet.com (IP-address: 184.108.40.206). They use a simply Postfix+Dovecot mail server, Apache web server and a Roundcube web mail client.
Google have lot of mail server with unique systems.
Google have lot of audits and certifications: cloud.google.com/security/compliance
Kairos have none.
Google have lot of patents: patents.google.com/?assignee=Google+Inc.
Kairos Technologies Ltd. (and their main developer: Alex Kocherev) have none.
Here is the client’s installer: ow.ly/XSPfh
it’s virus-free: virustotal.com/en/file/e8a905850c4c07e3d652c854b4649782419af1d0be25d1544c782143b1b8ebb7/analysis/1453190901/
If you register (only need an invitation code, but it can be easly obtained with a Google search) at cabinet.kairosplanet.com you could use it.
You could login to the web office, see their packages, your datas, your (empty) statistics. The client log it’s activity to a (russian language 😉 ) log file, but nothing dangerous.
If you buy a package – via cabinet – the client could download a module. But the module is easly accessible: data.hu/get/9468656/rentmodule.zip
With this module the client creates (in the drive’s _winApp directory) a big, but empty (filled with zero bytes) file (_disc), 4.bp.blogspot.com/-EUfHblyVC_c/Vis6EoVtF5I/AAAAAAAAACI/VtXkQxNSBpo/s1600/%25D1%2580%25D0%25B8%25D1%25813.png
and sends “ping packets” to the cabinet: 3.bp.blogspot.com/-5LeKftWCuGE/Vis6Fj13ysI/AAAAAAAAACM/JlF3e05iHDc/s1600/%25D1%2580%25D0%25B8%25D1%25814.png
If you are smart, you could decompile the client and the module.
For this I provide some tool:
If you are VERY smart you understand C# code of the client and it’s module :
Company say all sorts of bull**** because they believe they can bluff you into not verifying them.
Did you know that Gemcoin claimed they are founded by “cooperation between Xi Jinping and Barack Obama?” Or that Leonard Johnson was “invited” to an economic conference to Dubai to tell everybody how great Gemcoin is?
The reality is Steve Chen, founder was waving a welcome flag to Xi Jinping visiting the US, and Leonard Johnson was there because Steve Chen bought “gala dinner co-sponsorship” package.
Consider all company claims to be bogus UNLESS proven otherwise, AND you’ll need neutral verifiable proof, not “just trust me” proof.
One positive thing (so far): Kairos pays.
Passive income and other bonuses (for recruiting) are calculated on daily basis (virtual money in the back office = the cabinet).
If you want to withdraw the real money, you can set the statement in your cabinet to charge your debit card (kinda Travel card issued on Gibraltar and branded and distributed via ePayments). You can do this once every month, so you can withdraw money on monthly basis.
But in fact, you are not paid for disc storage and services sold by Kairos to mystic “corporate clients”.
As mentioned above, Kairos client software does not do anything useful except allocating (read: wasting) your disk storage space and pinging Kairos server to count your online time.
– there are no services (allegedly rented to “corporate customers”)
– so (fo course) there are no corporate customers at the moment
– so except the “packages” being bought by the affiliates… there is no other known source of the income for Kairos!
– so all the paid out money came only from the shuffling of payments for these packages (from the newer affiliates pays to the older ones)
– even if Kairos delivered to its affiliates some functional client software for client resources sharing… it would be extremely expensive, inefficient and unreliable solution. For this reason, no corporate client will accept it as possible cloud & grid solution.
@4n0nym0us: How’s it going with your alternative client ? I wrote down some answers. If you did not receive my e-mail check this out 🙂 ghostbin.com/paste/v553k
I started a package for 125 Euro. Just to see what all will happen.
Computer is open for 24 hours. In the cabinet are the correct numbers for the rent.
However, to take out money is not possible. My account is not activated.
You have to download ID cards with your info for activation. I did this more than a month ago. But no activation yet.
So not possible to check if you can take out money. To pay my money to them, was no problem. But to activate somebody within one month seems to be a big problem.
I keep you updated.
Maarten, do you have ePayment card connected to your Kairos account? There are some “educational” videos on YouTube how to activate Kairos account.
But I wonder why you become one of these suckers? Just for testing?
I just took it for testing of course. I have no e payment card.
You only can get this, if are activated. And you can activate ,if you upload your info.
That is what I did. Nothing else to do.
I just keep people here updated.
I think you can get the debit card from ePayments anyway, without having Kairos account at all (ePayments card is general purpose service).
To activate your Kairos account, you have to upload your personal data as well (and as you did – well, that’s something I would not recommend to do). Maybe the trick is you did not put check box on besides the items in the list of uploaded documents, or you did not upload real documents? See second video.
Yeah, I have to admit I got carried away with the money talk.
My Grandfather died and I got 2600 euros by selling his old house. I`m from Estonia, alot of people here are unemployed like my self so “passive income” sure sounded good, and i just got 2600€, everything just seemed to go finally good.
Seminar seemed quite professional, I dont know much about IT + the need for money so i did the 2777 dollars package. No problems giving them money.
After few weeks when i needed some food money, i tried to activate my account by sending them documents, I`m still waiting. (over 1.5 months)
Thanks, but because I didn’t got response (demand for continuation, plus exact internal informations) from Kairos members, I put this project on ice.
Vanalin, Does it mean, that you put the money you received for the house into the Kairos deal? Hard to believe!
And do I understand, that you cannot get money out, because you are not activated yet? Why this activation takes such a long time?
Receiving the money and sending the software does not take time for them. Why they need to activate you for? What is the reason for this activation?
If they do not activate you, than they will not pay? And if they decide not to activate you, will they pay your money back?
Yes, i thought it would be good investment. My biggest mistake was not doing research before investing my money in there, it was a big mistake and ofcourse i regret. I posted so everyone would be informed.
My account havent been activated almost 2 months. If your account is activated you can transfer money between kairos accounts and order e-payments card – to take your money out.
When your account is not activated you cant send your money to someone who has a card so they can take it out.I guess too little people are joining Kairos so they dont want activated accounts who will request money.
I also met people from facebook kairos group, whos account havent been activated 2+ months. Luckily they invested 125$.
Hope you got your answers.
This is golden !!! I can’t believe the suckers who fall for it.
Today I spoke with someone who had joined them. He tried to convince me to join and acquire the highest package.
I am by nature suspicious and asked a lot of questions, but eventually told him to send me an invitation, and I’ll buy the smallest package to see what happens.
But, lucky to have forums and sites like this … Because now I know not to join any gang of crooks that.
People here are tested and found things that are strange. But there must be something they did not feel it, which could prove that everything really lie.
Anyway, there’s smart people who think about the common good and see justice and truth as something important in life, if you want to get rich .. you know who you did it with your truth. (This the biggest “money”).
Cool site, I’ll stay up to date!
And sorry in advance if there were mistakes in my English 🙂
I´ve been reading this discussion. To be honest, verification may take up to one month because of the business growth. If it wasnt verified up to 1 month, you should write to support to ask them for priority verification because of running out the time necesarry for verification.
– for sucessful verification you need to join international identification card (European ID or driving license) and some another document confirming your adress on ID (invoice, bill for electricity supply, etc.) – info in your cabinet
The second point I would like to count is that the money are send monthly, if request for payment was made till 25th day of current month. The money are sent between 1 – 5th day of the next month.
Dont forget, that you can only withdraw money avaliable for transfer (released from 14 days quarantine).
Hope theese information will help you to sucessfuly get the money from kairos. Pay attention to fees that are payed for bank transfer if you tranfer your money tou usual bank account. Your bank may count off the fees.
The cheapest way to transfer money is on your epayments account, order payment card and withdraw from ATMs for 2.4 USD or make a free payment at merchant.
Activation and all that excuse is bull****. They don’t need all that to pay you. This is not a job that requires verification of taxpayer ID.
And what is the alleged service?
K-Mail — Gmail is free and impossible to go down, and secure, with 2 factor authentication. If you don’t want google, you can get secured email out there with heavy encryption for a few dollars more a month.
K-Net — VPN costs a few dollars A YEAR. I’ve even seen “lifetime” memberships for less than $100.
K-Disk — everybody gives away FREE space, Microsoft, Google, Box, Dropbox… we’re talking GIGABYTES of space, from EACH vendor.
K-Comm — Skype, WeChat, Facetime, and other messengers have video and audio chat, and all FREE.
This sort of services costs next to nothing to provide. Paying several THOUSAND DOLLARS per year is bull****.
Logically, they should be giving you all this for free.
Making you all pay THOUSANDS of dollars for them with promises of even more money back is, frankly, stinks of Ponzi scheme. And perfect examples of this was WCM777 and their “cloud service”, or TelexFree and their “VOIP service”. It’s just camouflage for their illegal ponzi scheme.
if you all still want to “sample” it… you all need your head checked, as your greed has clearly overwhelmed your common sense.
BTW, some top leaders and promoters of Kairos were active also in WCM777 scam.
Hello Mr Isee. I guess you are a member of Kairos. And you do not agree with all that is written here?
Maybe you can also answer the following:
How can Kairos pay to everybody in the street, who is willing to give some Giga bites on his or her private computer an amount of money which is about 150% interest per year. I am not even talking about the ponzi scheme. (because, that is of course the real game here)
It means that all big companies are putting their secret information on these computers?
And if Kairos has all private computers in the world,(this is what they want, according the people in their seminars) than all these simple people will make a lot of money paid by all large rich companies in the world.
Is there anybody here on this site, who believes this?
Yaroslav Sikora is well known ukrainian scammer. He was involved in TelexFree, WCM777, Vizinova and now he is a top leader (he was involved in establishing) of Kairos.
The similar story can be found behind other Kairos “top” leaders:
Waldemar Reimer – facebook.com/Reimer24
Roman Mishuk – facebook.com/mishukroman
Alexander Leicht – facebook.com/leicht.alexander
Robert Grüning – facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005530966245
Well, there is no clear (legal) consent what affiliates are paying for when purchasing “packages”.
Sometimes it’s called investment package (in affiliate’s presentations and in the response from Kairos to enquiry about the service parameters and the pricing for corporate clients – see:
In the past version of Kairos official web, it was called packages of products and services “allowing access to secure electronic communications and data storage services based on monthly subscription.”
Now it is called free apps … undergoing beta testing and affiliates pay for lease packages… and therefore “…each Participant shall pay a guarantee confirming his/her contractual commitments in order to secure efficient and uninterrupted operation of Distributed Computing Network. (= keeping an affiliate’s computer online for 10 hours daily, with a Kairos client software installed and running)
What the mess! So affiliates pay for investment package, service, lease package or is it guarantee to be paid?
And that’s funny all this bullsh*t about guarantee.
First: because so called Distributed Computing Network (which shall be backuped by this gaurantee) never has been and is not operational. In fact, it does not exist at all and there is no any sign of development of this network!
Second: because affiliates are giving/offering their computers storage space and computation power to Kairos. Why shall affiliates provide additional guarantee for something they are giving to Kairos in advance? Crazy.
Gee, I wonder what it was about Kairos that attracted top investors from collapsed Ponzi schemes?
Maybe they just really liked the logo.
Dear MR Maarten H van Gent
If you see, I have offered an answer to solve problem of the person who has already payed money into the system and he expects withdraw money back. That is all.
I dont want to comment the rest. Yes, I am in Kairos and there are some things that are not okay for me from Kairos.
I do not know what is used my PC for. If they use also processor and disk, if they dont… The most important for me is that it is declared that PC´s are not used for illegal purpose. I just wanted to help the “Vanalinn”.
Today I received the following:
Will you try to continue the game and contact Kairos support to find the reasons why they did not verify your account?
@Oz: Roman Mishuk was already mentioned on this server https://behindmlm.com/companies/telexfree/telexfree-file-for-bankruptcy-in-the-us/
Just imagine how many people scammed this asshole in poor Ukraine if TelexFree owed him $310,913 on commissions.
I am from Vilnius, Lithuania. So a friend of mine (who is already into some other sh%tty MLMs like Coral Club and etc.) is now into Kairos Planet.
He is flooding my FB timeline with different Kairos advertisements, “achievements”, new members and stuff like that.
So, for me it is obvious that Kairos is a scam (I even feel that my friend knows that Kairos is a scam but he continues, because he believes that it is the way to become rich…), but the bad thing is that I see that he and people like him are successfully getting new team members, mostly young people (one of the rookies is also my friend, he is a smart one, but somehow he was influenced to get this 2777 bucks pack, so far he is happy, but I believe one day he will regret).
So guys, I have a plan to sabotage their FB group, which I am monitoring on daily basis for new sh%t.
Unfortunately I have no time for a great research, due to catastrophic lack of time (recently I ve become a father), so maybe somebody could to compose a sum-up post with some facts and links here which I could use in my evil plan? Hope somebody will help me.
Did you read the review by Oz?
And the comments like this one:
Good grief, what more do you need?
You’ll just get unfriended. Direct assault does not work on “true believers”.
They will deflect any criticism levelled against “their” scheme as their mind has been warped to automatically assume they are correct and you simply don’t “understand” and because they are “right” they will not show you any weakness, while they accuse you of being close minded.
Pick someone whom you see have potential to be saved, then gently introduce small facts to encourage him to think for himself rather than accept information without verification.
As Ronald Reagan once said, “trust, but verify”. People recruited into these schemes do not verify, only trust, and very often trust is misplaced.
K. Chang, Char – thanks for your replies. I think I will start my first attempt by discussing scammers like Sikora and rest, I think their background will be a surprise for my friend, otherwise I will think out something else.
Regarding Oz review – is it in this forum? I’ve just read plenty of his comments but not a review.
Oz is the one who writes/owns Behindmlm’s reviews and posts as ‘Oz’ down in the comments section.
You may not be able to help others, but it’s good of you to try. At least you have saved yourself.
Yes, Oz is the author of all articles and reviews on this web (the articles above the discussion).
In this cases his review is focused mainly on the Kairos product line and the comp plan. The discussion here reveals a lot of important details about Kairos services and business operation.
Just tried to speak to one of them… Guy knows who is Sikora and rest, he said they are like Gods for him, great example of success and blablabla.
He said he doesn’t care if it pyramid, scam or something else, he already made more money than this 2777$ pack in few months and he is happy.
So what I can say…this is sad, especially the way he spoke (actually typed in FB), he did it like all “zombie-believers” whom I used to know during my life, I am really upset
I don’t see why not to continue to get money from Kairos (for the one who took already).
They think that this will last forever…and let them make fools of themself because there is no way to convince them otherwise.
First signs of troubles – Kairos may have difficulties with its bank accounts and anti-money laundering measures of banks.
On 2016-02-26 a new “payment processor” was established to handle the payments of Kairos affiliates. It is purpose-built company ASSET GLOBAL CONSULTING. Probably one more step in the “hide and seek” game together with ePayments and Crest Holding.
Meanwhile… on Facebook Kairos Czech Team group yesterday:
One Kairos member complains that his friend did not join Kairos, because he was contacted by his bank – when he issued SWIFT payment order (purchase of Kairos package), the bank asked him “Are you sure to make payment to possibly fraudulent account?”
This Kairos member reported that “it has happened again”.
@Idon’tsee: Are they still paying out ? What about verification reset ?
I did not have too much time but here the reaction of Kairos.
Plus the arguments they give are not correct I think. Because the special computer I have for this set up is 24 hours on line every day with this program running.
@Maarten H van Gent: It wouldn’t be bad if you could upload your version of client’s aplication. The most interesting is the RentModule.dll. We can check if anything has changed in the meantime.
I download (now!) the newest version of the module: RentModule_220.127.116.11.zip (SHA-256: 00f710daa8fe34a909d43a7d48a0c83a55f6b7d54e820305d5f84a8ec67000b3 ) from the official weboffice: (cabinet.kairosplanet.com) with my Python client.
It doesn’t change the content: the RentModule.dll (SHA-256: 459f6bbabbd22950b5d674c8a8f6a946a729b5426a87dcec2d00cb10b10fed16 ) unchanged since 2015-07-10 09:27:54+02:00.
the message you’ve received from the support is a generic bullsh*t. They shall tell you the specific reason, why they’ve terminated your account.
I guess you are not running Kairos software on a remote server, in a sandbox or a virtual PC. And I believe you are not running “the farm” of computers behind your router (on the same IP). But some internet service providers may assign the same IPs to the large amount of their clients (e.g. mobile operators behave this way). Kairos shall be aware of this…
Well – because you gave to Kairos the “guarantee”, you shall ask them for the refund. 😉 Just for the sake of curiosity, how this bunch of Kairos clowns and scammers will handle (reject) it.
@Maarten H van Gent: If you have enough time to play with these assholes…
According to the participant agreement you did not purchase anything but you paid a “commitment fee”. Ask them what kind of purchase are they talking about.
Greaves Motorsport WAS supported by Kairos Technologies Ltd…
But Greaves Motorsport has a new website, and – TADA – Kairos Technologies disappered!
Kairos is not in partners list of Greaves Motorsport:
and their logos are not in the car:
Looks like a Bryan Herta ruination redux!
Unfortunately, it just reappeared on their web site. But honestly, who cares about the fact that they are sponsors of a racing team.
If you have money, and Kairos do have, you can be sponsor of anything. Their sponsorship is not an index that they are great company or not a scam.
i see the kairos logo in partner list.
I have just filed a Formal complaint on the behalf of my niece to the police fraud department against Kairos Planet Ltd.
HACKED ACCOUNT on the Kairos intranet call it Cabinet.
eester: Yes, Kairos logo on partners list was added additionally.
@eester: Kairos logo reappeared on the partners list but there is no Kairos logo on cars or racing suits of Greaves Motorsport. The team is also not secured by Kairos anymore.
Perhaps Kairos did not want to waste money on this advertisement but it seems that they decided (after it was publicly discussed) to avoid unnecessary qeustions 🙂
Can you send link so all of us can see it?
Hi, how’s it going so far with Kairos?
i had so many toughts before i joined kairos technologies too but after i joined, i have found out that its much different than other ponzi shemes or network marketing..
i havent made any members yet but i earn money and everyday i am being paid.
i see many people have said negative things here but find me someone who joined kairos but also lost his money ? all people who speaks negative about kairos, they just have prejudice opinions about network marketting..
also decuments are here on UK government trading ministry official page. beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09152272
Kairos will continue to pay ROIs as long as new investors continue to sign up and invest. No different to any other Ponzi out there.
Costs about 20 pounds and requires a UK-based mailing address. What’s your point?
Three things to remember:
1) Until it is IN your bank account (or your pocket) it’s not your money. A number on *their* website is worthless. They can stop withdrawals or cancel your account or “system maintenance” any time.
2) Did you count expenses? Monthly fees? Whatever? Are you *sure* you are NET positive?
3) Even if you got paid it proves nothing. Schemes ALWAYS pay people… Until it can’t any more. Madoff paid for MORE THAN TEN YEARS. TelexFree, ZeekRewards, AdSurfDaily… and more, all paid for months or years, until it stopped paying, and only stopped paying some.
And by the time it can’t pay, EVERYBODY loses except those insiders who got more than they put in.
So, care to reconsider your position?
sorry my engilish not good I’m guessing kairos June or July will go bankrupt. investors figure is not good enough.
Do you have some reliable figures about Kairos affilliate base growth over the time? Can you share this info?
End of November 2015: 40000 members (Kateryna Ondrejkova)
End of January 2016: 70000 members (PR in Romania)
End of March 2016: 100000 members (Kateryna Ondrejkova)
30% goes into commission + 250% profit => 180% net profit => 15% paid monthly. You need at least 15% new participants every month in order to sustain the scheme.
dec-mar => ~15000 new members monthly. If there are currently 100000 members the end is coming soon 🙂
What those numbers mean?
“-” claimed that unless Kairo adds 15% more members every month it will implode due to the need to pay the members what was promised. I had not checked his math.
kairos needs at least 25% of new investors every month
Here is a simplified Ponzi-scheme simulator, based on Kairos Planet’s packages: fiddle.jshell.net/31tzkLpd/show/
Can you explain how it works?
Just press the “Start simulation” button, and you will understand it! 😉
In every month new entrants come to the system, and pay “entry fee”. The distribution of the entry fees based on the package table.
The number of the new entrants increases with the Incremental rate.
If you choose the Exponential method:
=> number of the new entrants in the actual month = number of the new entrants in the previous month * Incremental rate
If you choose the Linear method:
=> number of the new entrants in the actual month = number of the new entrants in the previous month + Incremental rate
The old members get salary (“Outlay” column).
The salary distribution based on the package table.
Hello guys. Great discussion over there. I was about to join Kairos but after I have read all the facts that you have mentioned I am not going to join it.
I see that you are predicting the end of the company which, of course, will eventually happen but the truth is that it may live much longer than expected and there are few reasons for that:
1. Most of the members are convinced to upgrade their lease packages so, for example, if someone bought the standard package for $125 and invited a lot of people and earned $500 then he is more likely to upgrade to the silver package for $597 than withdraw the money.
That’s because when you upgrade you do not pay the full price but only the difference $597-$125=$472 thus making it “worth”. So if every member will keep reinvesting then Kairos will need to pay less to old members so they will not need a many new members as we predict to sustain the ponzi scheme.
2. I heard that one of the withdrawal methods has a huge fee, so basically if someone will decide to withdraw a low amount of money then he will barely get anything and he will not be able to blame Kairos for that because they say that it is bank’s fee and Kairos has nothing to do with it. So a lot of people will fall for this trap at least once.
3. Most of the members are not happy with passive income so they will keep inviting new members to earn back their starting investment as soon as possible.
4. There is a trick to withdraw money with no fees and without needing to send personal id info: a) You find a new member who is willing to buy the lease package. b) He pays you in cash. c) You transfer the amount he paid from your Kairos cabinet to his account (if you have the required amount). d) He can buy his lease package and you get money so everyone is happy.
5. Because of the no fee money withdrawal trick people will keep earning money and show their earnings as a proof that everything is legit and works to attract more people.
6. Members actually believe and make others to believe that the software works and that they participate in creating a more secure network.
7. They do not and will not understand that they are basically stealing money from the ones they invite and they will deny all the facts that we know about the ponzi scheme and fake network and they will act as brainwashed zombie army who will do everything just to earn more money.
And that’s sad…
i joined kairos technologies too.
i havent made any members yet but i earn money and everyday i see money on my kairos for those 10 hours my computer is on.. I have epayment and the card, so once a months i send money to epayment (because Kairos send it to your account once in a month) than I use the card to withdraw it… For me it works.
FOR VANALLIN: I think until you do not send your ID or Passport for verification they do not activate and verified your profile.I also comunicated with Kairos support and they respond within 2 working days so try to contact them.
i am in Kairos from begin of march and for me it is working.
What about taxes? Do you plan to pay them? Do you have trading license?
You are offering “services” (lease of resources) to other legal entity – you should have one.
What package have you bought and how much have you already earned?
Don’t forget that the epayments card has a fee and also you are using electricity which also may cost some cents per day.
…….. until users will awake as their computer’s IP is involved in trade nelegitom, weapons, drugs and human beings …… and then the fun begins
Let me ask who is able to give 150% profit today? It is not reasonable profit.
In economics terms, in order to give and earn you have to produce something. Imagine some millionaire who has private company with 500 employees and that boss decide to invest in Kairos in order to earn huge profit.
So, he open 500 accounts all on $2777. It is $1.388.500 investment. It is $2.082.750, or 150% profit plus $1.388.500 for initial investment. Total $3.471.250.
How will Kairos make $1388500 income plus extra income for company itself? It is clear that some illegal activities are doing here.
At the moment, a software installed on an afilliate’s PC is harmless. It is not capable to utilize occupied space or communicate with remote computers any other way than by “pinging” Kairos server in Germany.
But as there is a kind of autoupdate (backdoor) rutine… everything is possible in the future.
How the hell did they pay 19$/day to rent a space of 320GB on our HDD when a hard drive of 1TB cost about 75-100$ and this means that you can buy in 4-5 days … and you can use for years. … this is clearly a Ponzi scheme!
@4n0nym0us: Kairos is going to release a new version of their application. Could you please download and de-compile it for us?
Your help will be really appreciated.
Kairos Planet Client 18.104.22.1687 downloadable from here:
decompiled source code:
decompiled source code:
No big changes. 😉
I do not see many changes. They added logging of CPU(processorID) and HDD(VolumeSerialNumber) ID.
They changed API. The application creates an AppId in registry SOFTWARE\\KairosPlanet. No idea what for(all IDs are written only into log file).
Could you please download the RentModule.dll. Perhaps you will need these 2 links
Hello, is it possible to modify the app so it would think that we have bought the lease package and allow us to earn money for free?
@TFD: No, it’s not possible. The application just counts online time (it also allocates some empty disc space, writes logs…, but this is not important).
How much you earn is controlled on server’s side. Anyway, in Kairos you have never been earning any money. You are just stealing money from new affiliates.
Hello! I from Belarus. Thank you so much for all this infomation. This scam company now make activity in my country. I tell my friends – its scam, scam – but they not want listen nobody.
In Belarus this company try find people in social networks. They look yang people – 18-25-27 year. Because older, with univercity diploma understand this fake. But for yang people – if show nice picture and many money – they lost brain and aaaaa aaaaa – i will be rich.
I wish this company crash very soon. Because clever people look google, read other article. But most want sit on ass and only have money from sky. I think – it can be good lessons for naive people.
I am from Macedonia , and I would like to inform you that all possible banks in our country have banned payments to the account of kairos because it is on a black list
Here we go!
First signs of the collapse of Kairos in Slovakia.
Couple of users has reported troubles – they cannot withdraw their money. They are banned from the system (cabinet) – they cannot login and cannot reach suggested contact for support – an official support simply does not reply.
Of course, the leaders and the pimps keep on denying any troubles.
Kairos members are urged not to reveal any troubles… and I guess, many of them don’t dare to complain publicly. They can be prosecuted as accomplices of this fraud. And of course, nobody wants to be connected with a criminal activity.
In Serbia is still working, but we have to check. I am not sure if Serbian banks put Kairos on black list yet?
Verified from different sources:
Kairos members from Slovakia placed in the structure branches with lower growth speed (e.g. recruiting not enough) were cancelled.
Their accounts were deleted/blocked, so they cannot login into the cabinet and withdraw their money. Sweet.
Where did you verify (Slovakia)? Please can you give us the source?
Source: discussion @ pracanadoma-skusenosti.eu/news/kairos-technologies-ma-zmysel-tento-projekt/
Users Ingrid, Miloš, Igor, Kairos.
It’s is an anonymous discussion, so anything there can be a fake or a kind trolling… but I DO believe it’s true. Published comments about collapse fits well into the expected scheme development and shows some insight of the writers.
@Nikola: I’m from Macedonia too and all of my friends that have Kairos are still receiving money on their account.
Where did you read about this, is there some buliten from Narodna banka(our national bank), I would like to confirm your statement.
Dragan, That’s not true, i was prepared to invest in kairos, but every bank (NLB, Komercijalna, Stopanska,Halk, ect….) haven’t allowed me to make transaction.
And, the man who convinced me, propose to deposit in Kosovo.
@Nikola, on the other hand maybe they were not telling the truth…I’ll investigate and will update you with new info soon.
Hello Oz, is that correct? I see this:
The british commercial register (companies house) shows two directors: VIEIRA, Miguel (active) and GREBINNYK, Artem (resigned). Miguel Vieira has portuguese nationality, but lives in Geneva, Switzerland (Genf, Schweiz).
Yes it was correct, when (2015-09-21) the blogpost was created, meanwhile the domain’s record was updated:
You are both right, but Melanie failed to notice:
The Reg info was changed in April 2016. Review itself was written back in 2015.
Also note that the address revealed is worthless. The address 3 Gowers St London is a mail drop / furnished / virtual office provider called… space(at)gowerstreet(dot)com
CompaniesHouse shows over 20 businesses at that address, no suite number. It’s just a maildrop, nothing more.
Kairos is a big fat ponzi scam. They pay just until they collapse. Many people become harmed at the end. Go to look for a honest work.
Except you don’t know the odds and they can change the odds on you at any time without telling you. And they can run off with your winnings at any time.
Is that really a game you want to play?
@Terrence B: Lofaszjoska is an obvious troll. His nickname is an insult in hungarian.
I figured as much but wasn’t 100% sure. Spam-binned.
Slovenská obchodná inšpekcia (= Slovak trade inspection – a kind of Slovak market regulator and consumer protection organisation) issues a warning about Kairos practices:
One of my friend that use Kairos is having problem. The problem is that the last few days one of his account is not working.
The kairos application is running but the time is not counting, it’s a kind of stuck. He tried everything, even reinstalling his windows and it didn’t help either.
What does this means… we’ll see soon.
@Dragan: Check this out – kairosplanet.com/calculation-of-compensation-july-09-10
Turkey is getting ready to take legal actions against the Kairos Technologies company and affiliates of the company (The ones selling packages).
Thanks for the heads up Tmy, much appreciated.
Sure sounds like Kairos is coming apart in Europe.
The company has more problems. The top scammer Waldemar Reimer has left the company.
He was the most successful scammer. Under him were ~70 000 of ~200 000 affiliates.
The company states (12.07.2016) they sacked him but he published 5 days earlier a video where he states that he is leaving the company (the video is in german): facebook.com/Reimer24/videos/vb.1793302522/10205132063299877
He is joining (together with scammer Alexander Leicht, perhaps whole german branch) a new scam called MyCryptoCoin.
It seems he did his own business within Kairos. He collected money from new affiliates but never sent them to Kairos :-).
This is a common practice within Kairos. Scammer collects cash and internally (in cabinet) sends money (from his previous earnings) to new affiliate’s account (… and sometimes not). This is the best way how to avoid withdrawal of trackable money from Kairos.
The president of Kairos Miguel Luis Vieira has also left the company. Last month (together with Kocherev) he joined new MLM scam Dagrsol youtube.com/watch?v=MHVBQt_ldqQ&t=134.
Dagrsol was previously the only one corporate client of Kairos. Dagrsol’s logo also appeared on Greaves Motorsport’s monopost greavesmotorsport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/greaves_lm24_gal1_19.jpg(goo.gl/uOtFQ8).
Previously there were photos (with names – Miguel Louis Vieira, Duka Gervalla, Otokar Kasynets) in the section Management – kairosplanet.com/management. These information has also disappeared.
Kairos is ending very soon 🙂 Stay tuned…
There is another article about this scam in Turkey:
The following scammer are indirectly named:
Atilla Sarpkaya – facebook.com/ati.ksc
Barış Öncü – facebook.com/barisoncufgxpress
Hikmet Gökçe – facebook.com/hikmet.gokce.5
Hakan Sanin – facebook.com/saninhakan
I would point out today’s post of Hakan Sanin (13.06.2016). It seems Kairos definitely collapsed in Turkey. He tagged people who brought and spread this scam in Turkey :)) Well played.
Translation would be really appreciated 🙂
There is another article about this scam in Turkey:
The following scammer are indirectly named:
Atilla Sarpkaya – facebook.com/ati.ksc
Barış Öncü – facebook.com/barisoncufgxpress
Hikmet Gökçe – facebook.com/hikmet.gokce.5
Hakan Sanin – facebook.com/saninhakan
I would point out today’s post of Hakan Sanin (13.07.2016). It seems Kairos definitely collapsed in Turkey. He tagged people who brought and spread this scam in Turkey :)) Well played.
Translation would be really appreciated 🙂
He says that;
Some Slovak Kairos “leaders” has started a cleanup process on their facebook profiles and in their managed promo groups.
Looks like we are watching the crash down at a real time.
I’m from Germany. A colleague talked to me about a great opportunity to earn easy money.
After a brief explanation I said I will do some research, as I was highly sceptical about the whole shindig. And here I am.
Thank you all for the investigations, I’ll also have a look at the software, since I am a software engineer this will be interesting.
Here is the original warning issued by Turkish Ministry of customs and trade:
where the proof that kocharev left kairos with Miguel Luis Vieira ?
@piter: Nobody can prove that ;). Maybe this photo will help to make an opinion.
scammers from the left:
Miguel Louis Vieira
(Inesa Kotiuk Vieira – Miguel’s ukrainian wife)
What I got:
Kairos-believers claim: this is the evidence, that the Mossad couldn’t break into the Kairosmail, and the Kairos Technologies Ltd. got Kosher-certification (!!!) from the Ministry of Justice!
LOL. This is a simple company register certification for Kairosgold Ltd.
Little win everyday. Today in Lithuania warning article was posted on main news portal first page. In your face
Thanks for the heads up 4ezzz, much appreciated!
why are you not posting my comment about the picture of kocherev ? you understand that you wrong ?
Nothing on my end (checked the spam filter too).
i was writing about photo of kocherev with dagrsol is from 2015.
Today, Kairos official facebook and You Tube channels were disabled/emptied.
Could you please provide the URL of the official Kairos youtube and facebook webpages?
The official page links these pages
VK and g+ profiles are still alive. The russian version of fb profile too (facebook.com/kairos.planet.ru)
The official facebook page are working ok
@piter: the page is working again, but the accusation against Waldemar Reimer with his reactions were deleted 😉 maybe that was the reason why it was temporarily offline. Youtube channel is still empty…
Hello Jimmy, yes I am interested in opening a blog on this Kairos scam. I almost jumped into this for various shortsighted reasons.
I was speaking to a guy in Denmark that truly believes in Kairos. He is doing this fulltime. That is always the same with MLM doing it fulltime.
Indeed there are various things, subjects and errors in this whole endouver of frauding people to get in.
I think when they succeed in making these laptops controled by Kairos then we have real trouble. They can use their program to do other things then it initially was supposed to do. When these computers are connected and are activated somehow to do any harm to whatever the over the whole internet there will be a burst.
I do not think it will come that far because of the lack of investments due time. I am very happy that I have searched and searched because there were just some things like the banking that were not feeling good. Something was itching.
I will open a blog for Jimmy on my VPS and he is hereby invited to tell me what he plans to do.
Amen. I feel really releaved guy’s. Thanks for that.
Regards from the Netherlands.
If you could explain (with “evidence-based facts”),
* why Kairos Planet is a ponzi scheme,
* why their system doesn’t work
* why legally and financially solicitous
you could earn 1 million HUF (3,572.845 USD):
(innovativa.hu is an aggregator page of the Kairos-believers)
That page contains more funny stuff. They are so smart, that they were able to prove that Kairosplanet.exe stores 25mb of (non-existent)customer data every day.
They used an “advanced” approach like HDD activity stat, traffic stat…
… but the scammer Istvan Novek facebook.com/isstyZT was not so “smart” and did not show the data from hdd or did not sniff network traffic, because as we know, since the Kairos is paying out (stolen) money, “it does work”.
it’s Kairosplanet web, you asshole if you think that they write true information!
and when you buy something from Amazon, you believe what they write in their web? wow, what an asshole :DDD
I read all this things and I don`t know what to say…
I have a friend wich is testing their aplication of data storage. He will be able to extract the money next month and I`m curios if he will can.
Data storage of zero bytes:
Maybe he will able. Maybe.
But there is a risk, that this Ponzi-scheme would be collapse. Months, years – who know?
Testing if he is providing a data storage for Kairos cloud? It will reveal he is not hosting and transferring any data.
However, using application Kairos disc will work. It is rebranded OwnCloud, hosted on Hetzner.de hosting provider.
See the demo of OwnCloud and compare it with Kairos Disc: demo.owncloud.org/
And now… usual symptoms of scams approaching the collapse!
Kairos has changed its payment processor
without previous warning… and even without afterwards announcement! Without a grace period leaving a former payment processor functional together with a new one.
No more withdrawals via ePayments (so the investment into the purchase of an ePayments charge card are wasted for the newcomers). The new payment processor is next to unknown Paysera from Lithuania. There were other changes in payment/withdrawal options recently.
Frequent changes of payment options are typical for pyramid schemes known to banks (banks simply put the questionable subjects on their black list and refuse the cooperation. So the scammer has to change the bank and possibly to create another shell and obfuscation company to keep some bank connection working).
Kairos has introduced bank transfers for withdrawals (SEPA)
These withdrawals are charged with quite high service fee. Definitely not a preferred method of the withdrawals.
Kairos has introduced technical limitation of withdrawals
According to Kairos info, this was introduced because of large amount of fractional withdrawals performed by some Kairos affiliates:
Kairos back office (cabinet) is not working today
Cabinet is a tool, where the participants can make their withdrawal requests. No access = no withdrawals, no payouts.
KYC – Account verification problems
Looks like so-called “account verification” is way too slow, not reliable, sometimes rejected without a reason and puts a load of (meaningless) requests and proofs on participants (personal IDs, other legal documents). These documents can be easy misused (identity theft).
Note: Account verification is need for the withdrawals, but not for the purchase of packages. Participants are deceived to purchase a package before their account is verified.
Negative comments are disappearing
On official Kairos Facebook page negative comments and posts from unhappy participants has started popping up. But not for a long time… negative comments are “sanitised”.
Someone is busy on Facebook in Kairos (instead of fixing broken cabinet).
Screenshots as examples:
Kairos back office (cabinet) is not working today…
funny, deadline for processing of this month withdrawals is coming. Pure coincidence?
One of Kairos affiliates defends the lack of information about corporate clients with alleged reply from Kairos support:
Have a fun with this comedy!
Can you tell more about thise information? how we can check it? may be you have screen-shoot?
Make a withdrawl from Paysera or only deposit? Please give as more information and we help you my friend. We know that it is Financial Pyramid.
Kairos near to end like a comedy going to totaly scam. i think life time is short.
I don’t have access to cabinet, so I cannot provide screenshot. Info about Paysera is from various sources like discussions. One of them is official Kairos Facebook page – Paysera is mentioned by Kairos users themselves.
See screenshots from my posts above.
Here I have collected some screenshots
I think the pictures are self explanatory.
They are using Paysera to avoid banks’ restrictions. They also established a new czech ltd company – Eximstar. Now the affiliates are sending money to this company.
01/2015-02/2016 – Kairos Technologies Ltd
03/2016-07/2016 – ASSET GLOBAL CONSULTING s.r.o.
08/2016 – Eximstar s.r.o.
My guess is that banks started to block transfers directly to Kairos Technologies, then the same happened to ASSET GLOBAL CONSULTING. This company/bank account cycling will continue till the bankrupt.
Currently you can withdraw money only by a swift/sepa payment.
If you create a Paysera account you will also get an IBAN. Perhpas it’s the cheapest way for non-EU residents to have a (shadow)bank account within SEPA (Single Euro Payments Area).
The beginning of the end 🙂
+1 The beginning of the end.
Thanks for the heads up guys.
lets we all start counting 3….2…1… 🙂
The Kairos is not going to collapse that fast. They have still some tricks to fool idiots who joined or want to join.
They can delay outpayment up to 4 months by delaying of (unnecessary)verification. Seeing that online Ponzi use to survive up to 2 years, this tactic is really clever and idiots still believe it’s not a scam.
I think You are wrong, they are in corner. Roughly they need 20% of growth each month, to buy current participants. Last months they hhave delayed payments by few days.
First reports of not getting paid are from this spring, they have used already few possibilities to further delay payments by at least few days.
This current delay now is told to be going for as much as 14 days! I think this is at the very top limit of patience of participants.
And this is ignoring provisions – such as 15% to direct sponsor, 10% to grandsponsor and so on – only 60% of entry fee can be used to pay regular income to existing members.
Since 60% of entry fee will pay only three members with the same package in one month, they would need approximately 33% growth each month.
They probably dont meet this target for several months, but they have found the easy workaround:
Additionally, there was some evidence accross various discussions that they are capable of deleting their whole underperforming branches of members when they dont gather enough money from newjoiners for the next month.
This tactics allows them to pay the rest of their members and can theoretically delay collapse forever.
In practice, there are some good reasons they will eventually crash (and banks have done good job trying to prevent people from sending their money there), but the crash may not be the matter of weeks.
Here is another trick how to postpone the collapse – “relativistic” time in counting of on line time of affiliate’s computers:
…and here we go: another “attack”:
Another attack of KairosPlanet System!
Dear Participants of KairosPlanet Extended Affiliate Marketing Program!
Operation of KairosPlanet Cabinets and Application is temporarily limited we are attacked by aliens from other planet.
Please send us all your money. We need your help 🙂
ok, guys… is already 1 year open this chat… kairos is still there .. make a payment… some peaple make money, some just join …. everybody know kairos now in special secret services….
why they dont make action… for this ‘ponzi scheme’… what they waiting for? or maybe they r legit… and keep going….
Legitimate MLM companies don’t just stop paying their affiliates.
Furthermore Kairos Technologies’ compensation plan is not an unknown. All they do is use newly invested funds to pay off existing investors, making it a Ponzi scheme.
Technically speaking, its a hybrid of ponzi and pyramid. Covered with great a layer of bullshit, that leaves at least theorethical possibility of system indeed being still in development.
Its a hybrid, because rental part is clear ponzi, while a share of package sales is a pyramid. Its a bit harder to nail, because there are too many people, not sufficiently educated in IT and mathematics. They still buy this bullshit, because they want to believe.
People ask wrong questions from their logical prat of brain, thats why they get answered with bullshit.
Right questions would be something like:
1) Would You pay me hundred of times more than knows service providers to hold Your s*it? I can choose 10 hours that suit me, when You get access to Your data.
2) Would You trust high tech company, whose head quarters are in apartment with 3 bedrooms, together with the rest of 400 firms?
3) Can there be a fool proof and risk free opportunity for everyone to make good money without doing anything? Could we feed the world then? Or is it limited at some extent. If so, what will be the limit?
4) Is it normal, that top cloud service firm takes a month to “verify” you? Their last achievemnt in Turkey is a laugh of the year!
After applying for verification Kairos asks for SELFIE!!! with document shown. Haha… Can You imagine thousand of people taking selfies, to get verified? 🙂 Is that serious or is at least that last one a joke?
If You think about this all as a whole… a normal brain would understand, its ridiculous beyond imaginable!
For real? AFAIK Kairos is only on computers of their affiliates! No “corporate” clients, no government agencies!
Mikemike: its a bit like with a religion. You will continue to believe blindly, if You choose to. Or You can decide to look at facts critically, then You see patterns that all serve one goal: to delay payments.
The fact that Kairos has been able to cheat so long is mainly, because payments mechanism is very slow. I know several situations, where first payments have motivated people to upgrade package, or invest more, if You like. Or delay running into net loss, if You like.
Greetings, three days ago I purchased a package and the money starts to enter into the site.
But since I can not verify my account I do not have the option to upload documents (license). What should I do?
With 90% of certainty You just should forget about Your money.
Best that You can do now, is try to get verified ASAP, that takes from 1 to 3 months and widthdraw straight away if You can.
Try to get answer ASAP, how they currently accept “verifications.” Las I heard was a joke, of making selfie of Yourself with ID shown. Dunno if one has to smile too at that selfie or thats optional 🙂
Very important thing that You must understand: its not about how to verify.
Kairos does want You to fail verification. So its kind of absurd question, how to verify, if the other party doesnt want to… Only chance for them to verify You is, if network of idiots finds a new significant growth source. Then they can TEMPORARLY make some more payouts.
Today Im giving You 10%, that You will see Your money again. And I´m generally an optimist.
Amit: forgot, if You joined 3 days ago, try to use Your 14 days right of moneyback. By legislation You should be able to reconsider from this deal in 14 days. Do that.
If cabinet doesnt allow, write them email and try to call.
Please let us know, how it went.
Amit, this not a self-service Kairos support here.
Better ask your upline or official Kairos help line, but mind you: you’ve entered a global scam. so you will be told a lot of bullshit, lies and fabricated explanations.
I am rather confused by your question… As far as I know, by signing-in (registering) to Kairos, you immediately receive an unverified account. Even with this unverified account you can send them money to purchase your package and recruit new members.
You can also upload the documents for verification via unverified account. These documents will be reviewed by some Kairos admins and this way they will eventually verify your account. After the successful verification, you will be allowed to withdraw the money from Kairos.
A verification process is rather slow now (the users from Turkey report current waiting time about 12-16 weeks: imgur.com/a/jQcaH – source: official Kairos facebook pages).
This is probably caused by insufficient amount of money for pay-offs, not by the complexity and the load of the verification process.
Kairos is very likely currently running out of its financial funds, so they are making all the sorts of BS excuses and troubles to withdraw the money from the system (delayed verification, rejected verifications or cancelled accounts, withdrawal limits and restrictions, delayed payments, back office drop outs etc.).
Regarding the Lithuanian Paysera =)
Paysera realised quite quickly with whom they are dealing and they already closed two Kairos accounts in their system.
Here is the article below, but only in Lithuanian language
One step closer to the end.
P.S. By the way a friend of mine who tried to convince me to join KP half year ago at the moment stopped all his agitation regarding KP.
KairosPlanet – GAME OVER?
I read only this on kairosplanet.com:
Kairos affiliates are not happy and started ranting on Kairos Facebook pages: nolink://imgur.com/a/tnjbQ
Well – looks like nobody is deleting desperate and negative posts now! This could be the real end…
And yep, Paysera rejected Kairos accounts (and send an warning email to it’s Kairos clients, just about two weeks after the change from ePayments to Paysera – here is a full quote from abbreviated post in the previous screenshot:
Update: post with announcement from Paysera was deleted from Kairos Facebook. So there is still somebody controlling the mess and collapse behind the scene…
Kairos established their “own payment processor”. The company Asset Global Consulting s.r.o. started to operate their own payment processing portal assetgc.com.
Curently affiliates can withdraw money through this system (SEPA payment).
The company Eximstar s.r.o. operates a “voucher” portal under vouchershub.at. Here you can buy various (mostly perhaps legit) vouchers. Interesting are vouchers named “agc”
i.imgsafe.org/0312ca23ac.jpg (these vouchers have Kairos logo :))
If you buy a voucher you will receive (email) an invoice and you should pay it through sofort.com or transferwise.com.
AGC vouchers can be redeemed at assetgc.com and recharge your eWallet. Then you can send money from your eWallet to Kairos’ eWallet.
They rely on the fact that sofort.com is a relatively big german payment processor and tranactions for “vouchers” get not caught by anti money laundering radar. They’re wrong. This not gonna work for long time.
Here are some presentations for affiliates goo.gl/pUaGVv
I was also able to record yesterday’s webinars:
ulozto.cz/!GLCAyzsdj/agc-system-mp4 – how to use AGC, in english with russian translation, starts approximately at 8:00
ulozto.cz/!Go5Gk8JnZ/meeting-with-it-specialist-and-marketing-director-mp4 – Otokar Kasynets(russian) a Andras Szekely(english) saving Kairos. Starts at 13:00.
I am sorry for the upload site, but it’s not that easy to find free site for such long videos.
If somebody has ever thought that this site and comments here are useless. Here you can find the original newsletter from Paysera qa.paysera.com/display.php?M=2787006&C=4e863b5e5eeabe2c3a94ebaafd75000c&S=1084&L=1038&N=919
It directly links reviews from this site. It seems that our work here was not worthless.
Greeting Paysera guys and I hope that fraud prevention office of sofort.com will do the same clever steps as Paysera.
How to use this ghostbin.com/paste/xx52q script ? 🙂
It’s Python, you’ll need to compile it (don’t ask how as it’s offtopic, look it up).
Why doesn’t anybody report Kairos to the police or other authorities?!
Kairos was and is reported to a lot of authorities. HOWEVER, they cannot find anything illegal, only rumours from people like here… 😉
And you have what proof to back this up?
I wasn’t aware Kairos’ compensation plan was a rumour.
As far as I know, they were reported in some countries.
Don’t worry. They will find.
Only trouble is… the enforcement authorities (police, courts) are way too slow. They usually act visibly after the damage is done.
At the moment, there are “only harmless” warnings from market regulators and consumer protection organisations in Slovakia, Turkey, Estonia and Lithuania.
And the rejection of Kairos by they former payment processors (legal PayPal, then shady ePayments and now Paysera) is a kind of other warning (banks are quicker than police when it comes to protection of THEIR reputation and money). Paysera made it’s own investigation, which lead to the loud and clear conclusion: Kairos is a pyramid scheme.
Non functional application for “a distributed cloud” management is not a rumor, it’s the fact. See the empty storage spaceholder, no real traffic of the application or the source code to prove it.
Technical, economic and business absurdity of this solution is obvious too.
Absence of corporate clients allegedly using this “cloud” is obvious and logical conclusion.
If there were any corporate clients as a source of Kairos income, Kairos would simply dodge all accusations by showing them: “Hey, we have these reference clients: … “. But Kairos refuse to expose them under absurd disguise of “trade secret” and “privacy”, but in fact – Kairos cannot expose its clients, because they are not real.
See this check list which may help you to identify the scam:
I think 8 of 9 signs of scam in this list are true for Kairos!
Does anyone from the tens of thousands of subscribers of Kairos complains to this site that something is wrong, in thia site these are people outside and skeptical.
By the way, a company registered in the UK: beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09152272/officers
Whether people complain or not is immaterial to Kairos Technologies being a Ponzi scheme.
Ditto a 20 pound shell registration in the UK.
Yes Ami, company is registred In UK, together with all other 400 companies at the same address.
Tens of thousands of subscribers will be ashamed, some of them will complain, many will lose money at the end. The reason massive complaining is not yet prevalent, is that people buy ridiculous excuses.
They choose to be blind and believe despite company, that positions itself as high tech, changes payment options weekly, going to cooperate with untrustworthy withdraw systems, giving hilarious conditions for verification.
I have no words in 4 languages to describe person, who is asked to take selfie with ID in order to account verification. This is just so absurd… Good proof, that worlds pool of fools is almost unlimited.
Ami, they don’t complain here… yet. Either because they do know about this site, or they don’t want to complain here at the moment (for various reasons).
But take a look at official Kairos Facebook page. I see more complains there (serious problems with withdrawals) than positive absurd motivational rants like “We are Kairos” or “Only you can stop you”.
nissan made a statement it is Turkish you can translate it nissan.com.tr/otomobil-haberleri/kairos-teknoloji-sozlesme
This man Yosi Gold says he has lawers signed documents and approval from Israel ministry with stamps, thats then he started this business. And Israel is one of the most difficult countries regarding the bureaucracy:
Also, he is coming to Lithuania:
And I think he brings these documents into every seminar like this as a proof.
What you guys think?
Whether guy in Israel says has some stamps has nothing to do with Kairos Technologies using newly invested funds to pay off existing investors.
That’s a Ponzi business model.
It has to do that ponzi business models are illegal and Kairos is approved as a legal company in Israel, so is your logic not right or I do not understand something here?
The Kairos-believers claims, that this document: m.cdn.blog.hu/ka/kairos-figyelo/image/levelek/kairosgold.jpg
1. A certificate for Kairos Technologies Ltd. from the Mossad, that they (the Mossad) have not been able to hack into e-mail system of Kairos Technologies.
2. A “Kosher-certificate” for Kairos Technologies Ltd. from the Israeli Ministry of Justice.
But this is an simple company registration document for KairosGold Ltd.
No it isn’t. Regulators don’t “approve” companies, regardless of what your schmuck in Israel says.
And choose a proper alias to comment with.
OK. So Yossi Gold(smith) established a company called “Kairos Gold”. This was (at the time of establishment) new, clean business.
For refistrator, it was not obvious it has anything common with Kairos Planet nor Kairos Technologies. Perhaps Yossi had clean reputation before. Therefore there was no reason to reject registration request, I guess.
Now Yossi Gold is one of the scumbag promoters of Kairos (and probably he operates under “Kairos Gold” shield).
Usual approach – in many countries “regional leaders” establish some organisations (mostly unofficial clubs or centres, not the companies) to manage recruiting and technical aspects of the scam. Yossi Gold dare to make it official… Go(l)d bless him!
Thanks for the heads up eester, much appreciated!
You mean, he created Kairos Gold for managing recruiting and technical aspects of the Kairos Technologies affiliate program.
Why such man, who had clean reputation before, would start business with an unclean company? To make money he already had enough?
Do you have any EVIDENCE based proof that Kairos is ponzi? Cause what I see in the comments here, there are only subjective opinions of various people with some “proof”, which make Kairos look like ponzi, but the key words here are these “proof” only “make Kairos LOOK like”.
It has been 1 year since this discussion was started and 2years since Kairos Technologies started. Yet there are not any true evidence based proof that Kairos is making its money in ponzi way.
How about this?
(Ozedit: Suspicious link removed)
Could they show the money made in ponzi way in official UK companies house?
The same reason anyone gets involved in a Ponzi scheme, greed.
Yup. The only verifiable source of revenue entering Kairos Technologies is invested affiliate funds.
As per their business model Kairos use these funds to pay affiliates a >100% ROI, making it a Ponzi scheme.
Registering a company in the UK costs about 20 pounds and requires nothing more than a rented PO Box address. It has nothing to do with the legitimacy of a company.
I do not understand 2 things
1. in Ponzi pyramid if you below someone you will never be able to bypass him and get more money than him but this is not the case here.
2. you do not have to add people you can do the passive road and make money without the need to add anyone.
I really want to understand why it is Ponzi and how did it survive more than 2 years.
I am not involved in this company I just curious.
Common man, stop trolling!
Although it was clearly evident before, the strongest proof that Kairos is Ponzi came from Paysera – just read it in comment #224 from Mr. Czech / Tomas.
And before you start accusing Paysera of lying – think a little bit about the motivation.
Paysera didn’t gain anything from announcing that Kairos is Ponzi – they lost several 100,000s of customers that would otherwise withdraw money through them and make them huge profit. So Paysera wouldn’t do it if they weren’t certain that Kairos is a scam.
False. In a Ponzi scheme the more you invest the more you make. Who your upline is is irrelevant.
You might not but someone has to recruit, otherwise no new funds enter the system.
Because affiliates invest and those funds are used to pay off existing investors, as per Kairos Technologies’ compensation plan.
As for surviving, Ponzi schemes survive as long as new affiliates sign up and invest funds. Two years is typically the crash mark for online Ponzi schemes, so it’s no surprise Kairos are now experiencing payment problems.
Yes, the first main evidence is the the decompiled source codes
of the leaked Kairos clients and their modules
The clients didn’t create distributed cloud storage, didn’t create P2P-network.
No cloud storge -> no service for corporate clients -> no revenue from them.
The second main evidence is the lack of the cloud storage renting companies (as references). If no corporate clients references, then no revenue from them.
07/2014 – the legal entity Kairos Technologies Ltd was established
10/2014 – pre-launch phase started – at this point scammers like Yaroslav Sikora, Roman Mishuk, Otokar Kasynets, Waldemar Reimer, Alexander Leicht.. joined the company.
01/2015 – the company started public operation(more precisely at some point in december 2014 the first public session was held in Dubai)
02/2015 – 4500 affiliates, mostly experienced scammers from other (online)frauds
~04/2015 – mass recruiting started (CZE,SVK,UKR,GER,HUN)
I would not say that the company has been operating for 2 years at the moment.
They are operating also in Romania. A guy invited me to talk about the business and I told him that this is a scam, a ponzi/pyramid scheme.
Then, after I left the meeting, I called a friend from the romanian secret services and I reported it. After that I found your forum. You did a great job and maybe you saved many persons.
I have about 20 years experience in software programming, so there was no risk for me to believe their stupid presentations.
maybe someone want to buy i report about company? 🙂
Just posting something that people seem to not take into account when talking about how many affliliates need to join in order to be able to pay off all the money they own.
Kairos makes it so it is beneficial to reinvest into them without making withrawals, so many people are going to be using it.
This means that Kairos does not really need to actually make payments, as a large portion of the community does not request them, rather they reinvest the money Kairos “owns” them.
A person I know actually put ALL his money into Kairos. All the money that Kairos paid him, he put back into Kairos, and all the money he got at work, he also put into Kairos, he bought like 6 different laptops to keep putting money into Kairos and last i spoke to him he said that he has like 10 000 euros in it.
I figure that there must be other people as stupid as him, which can actually lead to Kairos being able to make payments for longer than people predict.
Yes it does, because >100% ROI liabilities will eventually drain the system.
Don’t kid yourself, reinvestment will only prolong the inevitable for so long. Eventually withdrawals exceed new investment and the Ponzi collapses.
I guess Oswell meant that “reinvesting” is another slowdown mechanism for snowballing and he is right at great extend.
My family member also joined that worlds pool of fools with 2 packages and their leader is sweating his arse off motivating them to reinvest into higher package.
One more thing: maybe Kairos is a bit more complicated after all? Is it possible, that they keep some kind of accountancy over all participants and they are paying back a certain percentage of your own money, rather than from global pool only?
That would be to keep more active users satisfied for longer… I dont know about the worlds pool of fools, but I personally would be quiet, if i bought 100 eur package and got ripped. Too little money, too big shame, too much effort to complain.
I look at Kairoses facebook often, people complain, but not so much as I would expect them to… Something keeps them relatively calm…
No, because >100% ROI means you’re paid more than you invested.
while it is a slow down mechanism, it creates a greater liability than before it as it’s not new money coming in.
OZ, in long run, yes. But I mean in short term… Would it be reasonable keep paying upgraders / active members and cut payments to passoive members in first order?
Whip, but greater liability is not a problem, if You dont plan to fulfil it….
You’re referring to “selective payments”. Typically upon collapse to drag it out a bit longer those with bigger downlines continue to get paid at the expense of the rest of the affiliates.
The affiliates getting paid tell everyone the company is still paying out and to hold on for just a little longer.
You’ll sometime see it here on BehindMLM in the comments. You’ll have a few people reporting no payments and then one person will claim it’s all nonsense and they’re still getting paid.
OZ, thanks. Didn´t know it´s a common strategy of Ponzis. Yes, that would also indicate, that Kairos is at its very end. Manager who recruited my relatives seems still to get paid.
Also, he is a very good actor, or he indeed still believes, that there is a future platvorm that is in testing stage.
For curiosity I also registered in their withdrawal platvorm – AGC. What a joke…
Yes, and this has happened already (since April 2016, some participants in passive and not-so-efficient-in-recruiting branches were cut-off.
Without explanation, their accounts in the “cabinet” (back office for withdrawals) were simply deactivated, so they cannot login into the system anymore. So yes, there are selective payments.
Another way how to postpone payments were “account verification”. This process (where you should upload personal data in high resolution: personal ID, selfie, selfie with personal ID, some facility bill and so on – tasty stuff for identity thefts…) takes incredibly long (more than 10 weeks for some participants).
It reduces and postpone the time when participant is paid.
And now that joke with a new “payment processor” Assets Global Consulting (AGC)…
Maybe it’s because the payment processor web page and functionality were built in hurry, but i´t does not work properly (more likely, AGC was built and will be used to delay, limit control and make selective payments):
– Quite often, AGC front end is off-line
– Some users did not received account verification SMS code
– Some users registered there, and after the week they cannot login back
– Many users got “Payment error” when trying to withdraw the funds.
– “Successful” withdrawals are pending and then (after couple of days) cancelled
– Daily withdrawal seems to be limited to 400 EUR.
At the moment, it’s not sure if anybody was able to cash-out AGC and received real money to his bank account since September.
And now more info about AGC:
eWallet Front end page:
– Company is registered in Czech republic
– Provided company residential address is in the flat of this prefabricated house: nolink://goo.gl/maps/P9iy1toWjRE2
– There are ~ 100 other companies registered at the same address:
– Most of these companies from Czech Republic have owners with Russian names… AGC owner Mahmoud Sabti is arabic name, but his wife Oksana Sabti is from Ukraine.
– Among others… there is company CASPELLA INTERNATIONAL nolink://rejstrik.penize.cz/04889860-caspella-international-s-r-o
on the same address… owned by OLEKSII KOCHEREV – CIO of Kairos. Coincidence?
– Personal relationship of AGC owner and Oleksi Kocherev can be traced on Facebook.
– fixed assets of company is about 200 000 EUR (5 550 000 CZK), but the company is going to transfer the funds of ~100 000 000 USD!
– Company registration profile does not mention money services – but only very general profile like “production, trade and services not included in the Trades Licensing Act”.
– AGC has no licence or registration in Czech republic to provide money services (don’t make me a fool – eWallet with a currency conversion is a money service!). All previous Kairos payment processors (PayPal, ePayements, PaySera have a licence in Czech republic)
– AGC has no web pages except their eWallet front end
– There are no terms and conditions published on registration pages providing eWallet service
Does anyone still believe it’s a legal business?
Dear partners I will remember our business is not a business pyramid pyramid scheme, or pyramid financial system because: In business is about Kairos technology suite (GRID Technology), clients and products. Intro business pyramid there services or products, it runs only in money!
In the company of a Kairos to ask each Member to prove use and analyze at least 1 product of the company, KairosMai, is a secure e-mail company, is the product that proves that the business is not pyramid in terms of product company (KairosMail, KairosSurf, KairosDisc and KairosPhone).
I personally use KairosMail product of at least 1 time per day, you will give your account when using the company’s product and someone says it’s a pyramidal business should first use it and only then will support his idea in this way. KairosPlanet business has a real product!
A second very important thing is that the business is a real company Kairos, registered under the 2 parties, Kairos Technologies LTD and the Global Asset Consulting, s.r., is paying taxes and legal point of view it is perfectly legal!
Pyramid schemes are illegal, prohibited, and lasts no more than 12-24 months, our business has already two years old, is growing, the company announces always public events, we have successful leaders, as well as Novel founder Puli Prosperity Club Medved, the most important club business in Ukraine and Yaroslav Sikora that personally know from Talk Fusion business where he was a very important leader the Kairos is the first person!
When talking about the company Kairos, talking about data security, product, about a passive income from renting the space, which is guaranteed by the warranty! This warranty means acceptance of contractual rights!
2-year-old company pays daily and I think that, even if it was an attack or a maintenance in the future will be equally correct!
One thing very important is that we are not in business to Kairos comply with new partners, this is optional (in the pyramid businesses is required) and the business development system uses Kairos of MLM business, a direct marketing system (there are no cycles or points)! and another issue where even I am an example of this is the fact that businesses never someone in deep snow will not earn more than the top.
If your business can say that Kairos direct Marketing system gives you the opportunity to win as I find myself more than my sponsor in if I am involved more serious!
For those who still believe that this business is the pyramid I recommend them to (Ozedit: attempt to take discussion offsite removed)
Every online Ponzi and pyramid scheme these days is attached to a service or product. That has no bearing on the definition of a Ponzi or pyramid scheme.
Using newly invested funds to pay off existing investors? Ponzi scheme.
Paying affiliates to recruit new affiliates? Pyramid scheme.
Kairos Technology’s compensation plan does both.
False, see above.
Company registrations have nothing to do with being a Ponzi or pyramid scheme. Neither is a company registration a certificate of legality.
Furthermore the UK registration costs about 20 GBP and requires nothing more than a rented virtual address. And you provided absolutely no proof of Kairos Technologies paying taxes anywhere, so stop talking out of your arse.
How long a scam runs for has no bearing on it being a scam.
False. Whether recruitment is mandatory or not has no bearing on a company being a pyramid scheme.
False. Kairos Technologies hasn’t paid affiliates for a few months now. Because that’s how legitimate MLM companies operate.
I think one topic needs some clarification. Usually monetary pyramids and legal MLM schemes are delimited with whether a real product is involved into scheme or not.
(Ozedit: False. Flawed arguments built around flawed premise removed)
A pyramid scheme is a pyramid scheme because participants are paid to recruit new participants.
A Ponzi scheme is a Ponzi scheme because investors are paid >100% ROIs with subsequently invested funds.
Whether a product or service is attached to these core business models (which are sometimes combined), is irrelevant.
Ditto your opinions on the matter, facts are facts.
Dont understand why You removed most of my comment, as I am with You in this: Kairos is a pyramid and a ponzi.
Cant quite agree with Your definition of pyramids as its not complete. Even our government defines at legislational level, that absence or presence of the product is relevant. I would say, its even important.
If I market new product and for some reason decide, I want to distribute it via civilians, paying You share of subsequent sales / subscribes / “starting kits” of your recruits doesnt alone make scheme a pyramid. Pyramid is pyramid if there is no heatlhy alternative to earn (significant) money outside the option of recruiting more and more people.
Kairos is ponzi because disc rental part is fiction/fraud and at the same time it is a pyramid because no significant product/service is involved and once “invested” You can get money back only from recruiting new members (leaving apart some passive ponzi income for early members).
Whether you agree with the facts or not is irrelevant.
Paid to recruit = pyramid scheme.
Using newly invested funds to payoff existing investors = Ponzi scheme.
In MLM, it does. Affiliates paid to recruit affiliates = pyramid scheme.
False. Any MLM company that pays on recruitment is a pyramid scheme.
False. Kairos is a Ponzi pyramid hybrid because it uses newly invested funds to pay off existing investors and pays affiliates to recruit new affiliates.
The facts are, that in most sources pyramids are defined with 2 conditions met: Payments from recruit AND (logical “and”) no product / service with (significant) retail value involved.
False. Every MLM pyramid scheme shut down by authorities in the last decade has had some token product or service.
Please stop talking out of your ass.
@Orbit: Please stop off-topic in this thread. In Kairos’ case it absolutely does not matter if product is or isn’t involved (in your definition).
Kairos DOES NOT SELL anything to anybody. The products are for partners free of charge. You pay “commitment fee” and they pay rent for usage of your disk space and provide you some services.
This is illogical. They are paying you money for your services and additionally they provide you their services for free.
“HAVING” a product with significant retail value means nothing if a large majority of members derive their income through recruitment of others and not by retailing the product to non affiliates
HINT: “nudge, nudge, wink, wink we have product” simply doesn’t cut it if and when regulators come sniffing around
This is, where You misunderstand me. I TOO believe that there are very few viable MLM firms, I can not even name one.
You are saying the same as me with different words. By viable product I do mean, that large majority of users are good with purchasing the package and staying passive users.
If those users are affiliates, the product or service is inconsequential.
See Vemma, Herbalife etc.
Now You are just discrediting Your arguments by getting rude. Logical context of sentences is not Your strength?
Every MLM, that is shut down by government, because they failure to prove their products viability is a pro to my argument, not con. (Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempts removed)
You’re still missing the point.
Having a viable product is not the same as having a balance between income derived from retail sales and that obtained through recruitment
IOW, unless more than 50% of an MLM companies’ income comes from retail sales, that company is in pyramid scheme territory.
You’ve shifted the goalposts. The original sentiment objected to was MLM companies with a product cannot be pyramid schemes.
Anyway all of this is offtopic. Product or no product, Kairos Technologies is a Ponzi pyramid hybrid for the aforementioned reasons.
Oz, Orbit – no need to argue and divert the discussion about Kairos to a general discussion about the definition of Pyramid or Ponzi schemes.
You both agree (so I do), that Kairos is a combined Ponzi/pyramid scheme.
As I understand, a pyramid scheme is just a special case of Ponzi. But very often Ponzi scheme is used to distinguish the scams where participants are not forced/expected to recruit other members and don’t get bonuses for rectuiting.
I support Oz “naked” definition is correct. Using recently collected funds (from the paying participants) to reward the same participant is a Ponzi scheme. Binding the rewards to recruitment of other participates and a calculation of the rewards based on downline structure makes it a pyramid scheme.
Absence of the product (or presence of the “product” cover only) is not relevant for the definition, but is a logical consequence of the definition.
And need to say – Kairos has no real, retailable product.
So called “distributed network” did not, does not and will not ever exist. The services bound to “packages” (mai, cloud, VPN, Phone) bought by affiliates are not relevant and they are seldom used. The engine driving the “business” here is a promise of 250% ROI within one year and recruitment commissions.
To see how affiliates use “the products” look at this Alexa statistics:
The affiliates are interested mainly in cabinet (back office for their income opportunity, they need to visit it about once a month to make withdrawal request). “Everyday service” included in all packs (mail) is visited ~100x less.
**most sources**? Name such a source please? a REPUTABLE one please, like MLM lawyer, or a legal article, or such.
AFAIK, there is no such source, but obviously you’re welcome to prove me wrong. I suspect you simply missed the word “usually”. That’s not an logical AND.
Coming back to Kairos: Multilevel payment for recruit alone doesnt make it a pyramid yet, (Ozedit: Yes it does. See Vemma, Herbalife etc.)
@Orbit I’m going to mark anything further on this as offtopic spam.
If you click “Beware of Pyramid Schemes Posing as Multi-Level Marketing Programs” on the SEC link you’ll read the applicable information with respect to MLM.
MLM pyramid schemes can very much have products and services.
Calculate how much you get in one year if you wanth to stay in bussines.
I am partipiciant tree month yes i hope i get return of my investment, but is not roi 250%.
What you do with the ROI has no bearing on it being a 250% ROI.
Sorry, link spamming is not rebuttal. I actually scanned through all 43 mentions of “product” in the article, None of them corroborates your alleged definition that pyramid scheme cannot have products.
Thanks for the bull**** spam argument.
Don´t know if that´s my poor English or why You refuse to accept what I said and try to rephrase it, altering the meaning?
I never said, a pyramid scheme can not have a product. I said, multilevel commissions alone can not legally define pyramid, absence of VIABLE product has to be proven. (Ozedit: Offtopic derail attempts removed)
You said (comment #269):
Whether a real product is attached to recruitment or not is irrelevant. If an MLM company primarily pays commissions on recruitment it is a pyramid scheme.
I’m getting sick of repeating myself.
So yes you *did* say pyramid scheme = no product/service
Stop lying to yourself.
Let’s just chalk this up to English not being a first language and move on.
In my area people get into the circle by paying cash to organizers and they buy a package for the newcomer :))
This is wonderful, people can use this scam as a base for their own scam operations. You just have to look for new prey and use them to cash out your own money without extra costs!
As I understand it this practice has resulted in a large number of victim claims being denied in TelexFree and WCM777.
As was already mentioned before, the top Kairos’ affiliates (Roman Mishuk, Yaroslav Sikora…) came from TelexFree and WCM777. Modus operandi is almost same.
Kairos is working and it will work, no one complained from inside until now, (as it mentioned before except lately about some temporarly issues with the slow payments) only.
What you screaming people outside on the system doesnt know about that the IT manager will let to investigate the technology of the encryption now for independent experts to get an official statment for the company that the technology and the service is legal.
There is not any other similar technology has been developed until now and it will be / it is revolution for the companies and for the own personal security trought the internet.
What is the IT manager going to know about using newly invested funds to pay off existing investors?
Yeah no, totally. Kairos Technologies invented fake cloud apps.
In other words, you have nothing except a PROMISE that it will be legal, by a “IT Manager” who’s not qualified to give an opinion.
Do you ask your barber for legal advice and your butcher for religious advice? Perhaps you ask your bus driver for love advice as well?
is it like the ‘triple algorithm’ profitable sunrise used? LMAO!
Diachan, you made my day!
I can see a brutal change of the mood of Kairos fans and users on Kairos FB pages. From admiration to anger, as almost nobody received the “rent” since July.
Bonuses for recruitment are not evaluated. Kairos do not communicate about these issues – there is no info about correct procedure how to withdraw money, no advice and workarounds on frequent issues, no promise of fixes, no term of fixes. Very professional.
And BTW, many affiliates not-so-effective-in-recruiting were silently kicked off even earlier (since April and May).
Are you sure the issues are temporary only? Are you sure the nature of issues is technical only?
In fact, this is a kiss of the death and an implementation of “delayed and selective payments”.
=> The affiliates are not being paid
=> The affiliates express their dissatisfaction
=> This slows down recruitment of new affiliates (they hesitate to join when main reason to join – pay outs – cannot be proved and are in doubt)
=> Currently insufficient financing from new affiliates will be even more reduced
=> Less affiliates will be paid off
=> More dissatisfaction
=> Less money from new affiliates
=> Nobody will be paid off
=> Scheme will collapse.
Can you show me some proof that “independent experts” investigated and gave any review of the technology used by Kairos for encryption?
It sounds silly to me, because I’ve investigated the source code of Kairos application Karosplanet.exe and I did not find any functionality for distributed cloud management there (neither encrypted nor not encrypted).
In fact, app even does not pretend it uses reserved storage space. Storage space in the hidden file _WinApp\_disc remains empty. You can check this file (first: turn on showing hidden and system files in File Explorer options to see hidden files)
Yeh, you are right. So far I have not seen any non-existing fiction technology to be “used” and back-uped so long.
No, it will not. Eat it.
Did you discover the difference between the package sizes in the decompiled source code (rows #526-#537 and #737):
and in the Public Rental Agreement:
20/75/180/300 GiB (gibibyte) in the source code and 15/70/180/300 Gb (gigabit) in the agreement.
The app itself doesnt encrypt or decrypt anything. Encryption process is done before chopping the files into pieces and distributing these pieces all around the world into different pc’s of participants. And the key is left to the client side, so neither Kairos, neither anyone can see the encrypted data.
You didn’t find anything related to p2p transfers in the source code, since company is still in start-up mode and is reserving the space for the future.
When you start a new business, you first have to have services which you can offer to clients, don’t you?
So the technology is still being tested and improved while reserving the gigabytes all over the world.
You can see that source code is writtent greatly, the programmers who wrote it and work towards the project really know what they are doing.
Now, everyone has been paid for whole 2 years in the promised time. And this month was the first when payments were delayed because of the DDOS attack from 60.000 IP’s from different countries.
Now, you can believe what you want, the facts are than noone inside is actually complaining, support answers really fast, people get paid like they are promised, and the project is growing 20.000 people every month.
That’s not what the source-code reveals.
That’s because there is no data.
Kairos Planet is at least two years old. New business? Get the fuck out of here.
Or, like most Ponzi schemes, Kairos Technologies crossed two years and ran out of money.
Toss all the figures you want, you’re just regurgitating marketing BS. As per its business model, Kairos Technologies is a Ponzi scheme.
And this “app” doesn’t download/upload encrypted data pieces. Neither company’s (where revenues should come from!) data, neither test data (2 year tests for nothing?)
LOL, and they didn’t testing the foundations of their system (distributed data storage, P2P network) for 2 years?
LOL, the source code of this “application” maybe written by high school students. No protection against reverse engineering, no P2P, no distributed data storing, no new features for 2 years. L4m3rs!
Because there was new entrants who paid the old partners’ salary. Like in pyramid schemes.
And you belive this fairy tale?
To sum it up , it works. And it can work for another day or another 3 years.
Hopefully, the latter as I invested 1600$ an got back about 1000 USD. Will upgrade eventually but only using money generated by Kairos.
We all know its a pyramid scheme. It does not bother me as long as I get paid. Period.
Would be nice to have twitter with short important updates. Like “kairos collapsed in Turkey” or “paysera released warning on kairos scam”. Or at least clean this forum cause it’s overflown by kairos trolls.
You guys do good thing by tracking kairos. There is no need to explain yet another troll why kairos is a scam.
Props for honesty. It takes a certain type of individual to be comfortable with stealing money under the pretense of legitimate business.
It’s not so much about explaining to them, they are scammers and will continue to scam.
It’s more about destroying scam rhetoric and the bullshit scammers use to entice their victims.
Scammers try to use the same crap here and it doesn’t work. That makes for interesting reading for their potential victims.
Investors are only paid a 150% ROI over the course of a year if they have their computers online ten hours a day for 365 consecutive days.
Even in Germany where I live, until quite recently when they added new Internet cables and I changed provides, Internet outages for days were common and I could expect up to ten days without phone or Internet in any given month.
It’s even worse in many of the countries that Kairos is doing well in. Even a short power outage of a few seconds while someone is at work can ruin their entire days earnings.
What if we’re wrong? What if, on average, typical users overestimate their ability to manage a computer being online for ten hours every single day?
Work, church, travel, family visits, and other things can all reduce the amount of time a person is able to be at home to keep their computer running and connected.
I expect that many people give up on the idea completely after a few months when they find out that doing it is harder than it sounds.
I’m not saying that I believe that they can sustainably pay out 60% while at the same time offering up to 150% for perfect uptime. I don’t have the numbers of course, but I think that their payouts are too high.
I think it would be more realistic if the break-even point were at eight months with perhaps up to 50% ROI for the base system and lower bonus percentages.
TL;DR If the company actually makes more money from investors than they pay out in ROI to them (taking into account interest earned or other business activity that this capital allows them to undertake), is it still a Ponzi scheme?
You’re thinking about the irrelevant part of the scheme too much. As per the source-code, the cloud stuff is all bogus.
This is mathematically impossible in a Ponzi scheme.
How do you know if that source code you have is the real source code Kairos use?
(Ozedit: Irrelevant quoting removed)
Do you take into consideration that out of the 150% profit (which you ONLY get as a whole 150% when you meet the requirements of a contract, which is to keep PC online 10 hours/day everyday for 365 days in a row) part of the profit goes to taxes, the other part for electricity, internet, hardware/PC maintenance? And the ACTUAL profit is much less than 150%.
Because it’s the source-code of the client application.
Whether it does or not is irrelevant to Kairos Technologies using newly invested funds to pay off existing investors, making it a Ponzi scheme.
I think the main question that Kairos supporters should ask from themselves:
Why should Kairos buy hard disk space from me ~40 times the price, that it could get cheaper from other companies (Dropbox, Amazon, …)?
Because Kairos has a distributed network all around the world with one PC storing maximum 320gb and they don’t want to buy that space from other companies because:
1. It’s insecure (NOLINKhttp://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37232635) and they are creating their own platform.
2. Dropbox, Amazon etc have huge server farms which are neither legally safe (some institutions can get access to the confidential information), neither physically safe (hackers, corruption, natural disasters, electricity, terrorism can harm/steal/destroy data).
Corporate companies are looking for new, unique, different and safer ways to protect their confidential data.
^^ That’s true. You can’t get much safer than pretending to offer cloud-services and doing nothing.
Corporate clients aren’t interested in Ponzi schemes with useless cloud-applications that literally do nothing.
Do you really think that some corporation wants to store its confidential data in cloud consisting of private computers located mainly in Germany, Turkey and Ukraine?
Did you notice that nobody in this company can speak English? Do you believe that Portuguese scammer Miguel Louis Vieira from Switzerland, who is not able to say 2 English sentences, negotiates with NASA?
Because the Kairos client is simply accessible (via undercover agents:
but you could download after a free registration), and you could also decompile the source code with these tools:
So you could VERIFY, that this is the decompiled source code.
So what you’re saying is the app does nothing except takes up space, but they’re still able to PAY people. You don’t ask where is the money coming from, hmmm?
Good question. I found out that when new participants join the system, firstly, what company does is check its geography (time zone), internet speed and other needed things and only after some time they start sending the data.
So you better check the source code again, because its a long one and find this by yourself.
I am not a participant yet, but I’m thinking about joining and hace been doing much investigation. So, one of my father friends was really sceptic at first, when he started with platinum.
He was tracking his hard disk everyday and nothing was happening. And he got really pissed, but then one day his 320gb were filled fully. And then I asked 1 representative of Kairos how their grid system actually works and he told what I wrote in 1st paragraph of this post.
It actually makes sense 🙂
What the company does has no bearing on the client-app having nothing to do with cloud storage.
And if you’re going to take a Kairos investor (who will make a referral commission when you sign up) over the actual client source-code, good luck. Let us know when you’ve lost your money.
App has to do with connecting participant’s PC to Kairos servers, in which way data is transfered, so stop shoving your false ideas that it has nothing to do with storage 🙂
Source-code doesn’t lie. The app might connect to a server but it categorically has nothing to do with cloud storage. You’re full of shit.
Oz, do you even know (Ozedit: Go and look at the source code and stop wasting my time.)
No servers, only a server. The old (22.214.171.1241) client communicate with cabinet.kairosplanet.com/ the new (126.96.36.1997) client with the dcs.kairosplanet.com. They don’t download and store encrypted file chunks, only “ping” the web office, and query the participant’s account information.
The app should to connect another participants’ client via P2P-network… …but it doesn’t do.
If the app has to do (anything!) with the storage (_disc file in _winApp folder), then this file why contains only zero bytes? Where are the downloaded, encrypted file chunks?
Stolen by “malicious users” (quote from Kairos’ FB page)/hackers (who create “DDOS attack from 60.000 IP’s from different countries”)?
Dont be ridiculous. The only thing that app does, it pings server from participants PC, to give information to whom pay out ponzi money. An ape can understand, that nothing moves and nothing is calculated if he is shown traffic, that Kairos “causes”.
Creating huge empty file to hard disc on the other hand, is silly and probably criminal.
Yeah? Filled fully? With WHAT? Other zeroes than initial ones? Did you see it?
Or he simply finally accepted “modus operandi”? (You were scammed… scam others and you will be rewarded).
So I did.
There is no (remotely called) procedure writing/reading any data to reserved repository.
Only access is
– on initialisation: according to bought package, empty file is created
– on timer: the presence and the size of the file is regularly checked (legend: improved validation of data storage; improved data tampering protection).
Maybe the RentModule.dll has changed since the last decompilation. Who knows. 4n0nym0us?
RentModule.dll has two version:
* RentModule 188.8.131.52 for client 184.108.40.2061: data.hu/get/9468656/rentmodule.zip – decompiled source: ghostbin.com/paste/kzsq7
* The last: RentModule_220.127.116.11 for client 18.104.22.1687: data.hu/get/9789461/RentModule_22.214.171.124.zip – decompiled source: ghostbin.com/paste/3htok
No big changes same errors (see Triacus’ #301 comment: behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/kairos-technologies-review-cloud-services-ponzi-rois/#comment-367852 ).
Final accords have begun. Many probably dont understand, but shortly: Kairos shut down by finance police in Belarus, 50 PCs confiscated. Also confiscated expensive cars etc.
Only 400 people recruited from Belarus (officially) and 1 million dollars “gathered”.
If You google clip name, You get links to news and can translate it if You like…
Thanks for the heads up Orbit.
You forgot to mention that Belarus is ruled by Lukosenko and mafia, who do whatever they want and if they just dont like someneone (in this case, how people made 1m $ from foreign company) they cope with it such ways.
What is it for them to pay a couple of cops? But of course, you can believe what you want, just an option to consider 😉
If you wish to continue to comment here please choose an alias and stick to it.
Dude! Are you serious?! What’s in it for them? Actually the police is quite effective in Belarus and they hate illegal financial activities.
I say, nice work Belarus! We are with you!
Main organizers in Belarus.
Guys from Belarus were laundering their money (probably from drugs and other criminal activities) through Kairos. That’s why they got arrested and their stuff was confiscated, as far as I know.
Has nothing to do with drugs. the State Control Committee already confirmed their investigation determined Kairos Technologies is a Ponzi scheme.
Don’t let that get in the way of your denial though.
Currently, the official version of scammers (ignoring facts) in Kairos is that he (Artem Moseychuk) did not pay taxes.
The really funny thing is that a year ago they were telling to participants that they don’t need to worry about taxes. Everything you need is ePayments card and your income is tax free 🙂
So, that’s why they got arrested, because it IS taxable and you have to pay the taxes out of your profit, like I mentioned before, out of 150% profit, part goes to taxes, electricity, internet, pc maintenance and it is not actually 150% profit, but less.
No. This is not the main reason.
They were arrested, because they organised a pyramid/Ponzi scheme.
Read again the official announcement by УДФР КГК – it’s mentioned there 3x (pyramid, Ponzi) + “honorable” mention about illegal business activity and criminal organisation… but there is no mention of a tax delict:
If there was a tax delict, it was only a “collateral damage”.
Face the truth.
Kairos is criminal organisation. If Kairos affiliates are caught red handed, other leaders gonna put the hands away, play it down and find some “suitable” excuse of this excess. Nice support from Kairos!
If you watch (and listen) closely, the news video and the article tells you, that they were imprisoned because of Kairos being a ponzi pyramid scheme. Nothing else, nothing more… Stop making excuses!
Any further made up conspiracy theories which ignore the fact that the Belarus arrests were made due to Ponzi fraud, as confirmed by the investigating regulator, will be marked as spam.
New registered office address (from official company register):
61 Praed Street, London, England, W2 1NS
shared with 1404 firm:
The official Kairos site shows the old address:
It’s obviously a rented address. Kairos Technologies has never had a physical presence in the UK.
Just a simple question: except for Belarus link, no PaySERA or EPayment comunicates can be located by Google. Can u share official links? Will give more trust to your point of view. TY & BRgds
Links have been provided in the respective articles.
No, was not.For instance, PaySERA communicate is a text of Mr. Czech, post #224. Text only. No link to official PaySERA communicate. The only link in post #224 directs you to a photo showing talks on Facebook on Kairos page. Not to offical communicate.
Don’t get me wrong, i don’t trust Kairos at all, seen plenty around like this.
I am from Romania and nowaday a team of moldavians (by the way they speak romanian language i can tell they are from Moldavia Republic as i had previous business in that area) pretending to be romanians which are very aggresive in recruiting suckers from Romania in this pile of crap.
I wanna keep a friend out of this as he already paid the big packet of 2777$ 2 weeks ago and is willing to buy more.
Paysera – https://behindmlm.com/companies/kairos-technologies/paysera-terminate-kairos-planet-processing-warn-customers/
The ePayments announcement appears to be from an internal email. Kairos Technologies are not in the habit of broadcasting when a payment processor closes their account.
Your friend should be able to see the Ponzi scheme baked into Kairos Technologies’ compensation plan. Otherwise it’s likely there’s little you can do for them.
@Skeptical by nature
You can find a link to the Paysera announcement in my comment #228 but it is not accessible anymore.
You can find a copy&paste version here – mlm-infos.com/ftopic41389-s30.html#346354. You can also write an email to Paysera yourself 😉
They paing september on plan, for avgust was problem but they paing.
On all what are you talking hir is on princip of words from others and facebook. Come on guys more then year you are talking some bullshit on this page stop saing negativ kairos lives and go on.
Regardless of how many victims are scammed and for how long, Kairos Technologies is still a Ponzi scheme.
Facts are facts. Wassamatter? Find it hard to find new victims?
Ok, whay talking whenn the problems are, talk now how bad it is kairos and arrestmens and so on and on.
Exceptit kaorosplanet pay partipiciant it is a god cammpany. I reserches everyting and all what i find is words and talking from other peoples ho hear from other peoples isnt that funy how you justis this company.
It is the same when two people have conflick and one says this and the other is quiet and then the people says just that what he hear. Sorry guys for my bad english 🙂
Have a nice day and be just a litle positive 😉
But it is very simple.
Government(s) say it’s scam.
People who study scams say it’s suspicious.
People who got paid said it’s good.
Who do you believe?
Something new at Kairos:
Kairos is going to leave UK (declared reason: changed conditions due to Brexit). A new headquarter location and a jurisdiction is not revealed yet.
My guess is: this is a manoeuvre which leads the core company to an environment where a bankrupt is painless (for the company owner).
Before the bankrupt will take a place, all finance will be transferred (tunnelled) to AGC (Kairos payment platform which has no obligations and contractual bindning with Kairos’s affiliates).
So i did lose all my money yes?
If you didn’t scam people who joined after you to collect a ROI, then yes.
I am following this blog for over a month.I am from israel and to be honest, i joined Kairos two months ago but when i realized it’s looks like a scheme i decided not to join people under me.
By the way, here in Israel Kairos is planinng a big conference at the end of this month. I wonder if that would be their final chord here…
E.Z. will you be at this conference to give us update?
Although i am sure it will be very interesting i think i’ll pass for two reasons.
First, this conference cost money and i can’t think of paying them more money than i have already paid.
Second, the main purpose of this conference is to add more people to this scheme and i am not intend to take part of this.
New offices are actaully opening up here in Israel, so far people just fall for it sadly.
I have a quick question, the idea that there is a technology which uses annonymous unreliable computers all around to world to build a strong secure network even makes sense? Im no programmer but I do smell bs here.
How secure is it if Kairos divides the data to anonymouse people around the world,everyobdy can actually have small data fragments, although again, if all the puzzle pieces build the big picture, lets say 10 computers are offline for some reason, Kairos wont be able to recieve all of the data?
A theory we thought about with friends is actually the opposite of what they are accusing hackers, Kairos actually uses their worldwide users to DDOS and not being able to be tracked.
The idea of a network made of private computers sharing data is feasible. Actually, there are (or was) the projects based on this idea (Napster, torrents…). Adding a secure layer (encryption) to this basic idea is feasible too.
Problem with Kairos: their declared goal (to achieve higher security), customer audience (large scale business, corporations) and economic (incredible costs = rent and commissions paid to affiliates) this way is absurd.
Yes, to use anonymous unreliable computers all around the world to build a strong secure network is… contradiction and nonsense. Even with a high redundancy (backing up the same piece of data on 20, 30, 100… computers) it is not anything else than bunch of unmanageable computers, with certain chance of failure, which cannot be repaired on demand.
For more info, refer to the beginning of the discussion, there are some posts calculating the price of this “rental” and assessing other technical and “business” aspects of this scam. And there are also proofs that declared business plan is not implemented at all (in fact).
Today is about 2,5 years Kairos existing. Don’t you find strange that it is too long period for acting simple Ponzi’s scheme?
Nope. Ponzi schemes continue to operate as long as new investors are recruited.
Looks like there’s plenty of gullible investors in Turkey and Germany being scammed at the moment.
In fact, they operate little bit longer than 1,5 year. First marketing pitches and promotions has started on February / March 2015.
I don’t forget – the scheme is already collapsing. There are majority of affiliates waiting for their “salary” for 3 months. There are lot of affiliates having a status “paid” in their back office, but without receiving the real money.
There are many affiliates waiting for their “account verification” to be able to start the withdrawals. And there are also affiliates, whose accounts were cancelled without reason and affiliates waiting for money since late spring/early summer.
Just look couple of times at the official Kairos Facebook page. Complains and negative comments are periodically deleted (another warning sign), but you can catch them if you visit the page frequently.
Time to collapse?
From facebook.com/kairos.planet.en – 27. Oktober um 08:40 –
@Vanalinn I am an investigative journalist and will like to talk to you about “your investment” into Kairos Tech.
@Oz can you forward him my email? Obviously I will also like to talk to you privately.
Looks like that.
Kairos is making more and more obstacles to cash out.
It has started with delayed verifications and minor “unexpected” ccount closures of passive members (since spring 2016).
Next was introduction of withdrawals limitation (only one withdrawal per month and only predefined (and limited) amounts. (summer 2016)
Next – troubles with banks and payment processors (PayPal, ePayments, Paysera… partnership cancelled) – August, September 2016
Next – almost non-functional new payment processor AGC (which is in fact only a branch of Kairos) – since September 2016, many members are not able to withdraw their “income”
Next – “technical problems” with Kairos client application, which does not count the online time properly and thus cuts down the “rental income” of affiliates
Next – broken bonus system since September 2016 (but it does not matter, as almost nobody can cash out anyway)
Next – announcement: Kairos moves away from UK jurisdiction. Kairos is moving to new registration address (still not officially announced) due to a changes in UK (Brexit). On the web site, address of virtual office KAIROSPLANET, INC, 119 Washington Avenue, Suite 101 Albany, NY 12210 is published. Mid October.
Next – Kairos is blocked in UK – so the people with UK IP addresses cannot visit front web site, back office cabinet and use the app. Users are keep on getting error 403 – Forbidden (server error).
This is explained as other impact of brexit (but’t that’s something I cannot get). And explanation is so vague that it’s not clear, who does the blocking.
Kairos partners believe it’s on UK internet infrastructure providers side, but more likely it’s on Kairos side (as 403 is server error).
What has happened with supposed data of supposed “corporate clients” stored on PCs of UK members is not clear. 😉 Since late October.
Next – almost nobody is paid since August (last smooth withdrawals were ordered in July and realized in the beginning of August). But internal transfers of “Ponzi” dollars are working and are widely used
Next – Internal transfers (of Ponzi dollars) removed from cabinet (back office). Users who used it recently were asked to provide some verificaiton that they made a real payment to Kairos for bought packages. (Ha ha! Kairos knows very well which method was used to buy each and every “package”!)
Users are threaten of account deletion, but without declaring the deadline for verification. End of October.
Next – New wave of accounts deletion. Whether the only users participating in internal transfers or also others are deleted is not clear. End of October.
So… this is a IMHO list of “successful” steps to collapse. What’s next?
@Mr. Czech: You forgot to mention that anonymous financial director has been replaced by another anonymous one.
Igor Zabokrickiy used to play the role of the “Financial director”:
About Kairos from a hungarian news portal, Index:
Just my two cents on Yossi Gold(smith) and “Kairos Gold”:
1. As of 03-Nov-2016, no company was ever registered in Israel in the name of “Kairos Gold”.
2. Yossi himself is an ex-convict. Just recently got out of jail, after serving time for sexual assault of 5 minors, who were his students, while he was a teacher in junior high.
News article from 2006 on this (Hebrew): ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3634576,00.html
Also, according to Israeli law, any overseas company that wishes to conduct business in Israel, must register in Israel’s Registrar of Companies and to be labeled as “Foreign Company”.
I.E. – Even if Yossi will register a local Israeli company in the future, this company could only be affiliated with Yossi himself, but not with Kairos Technologies Ltd (the UK company).
Relevant regulations on Israeli Corporations Authority site (Hebrew): justice.gov.il/Units/RasutHataagidim/units/RashamHachvarot/Services/CompanyRegistration/Pages/ForeignCompany.aspx
Czech national bank warns – ASSET GLOBAL CONSULTING s.r.o. is not licensed company.
No problems with Czech National Bank warning.
In fact AGC do not provide bank and money services through their portal cp.assetgc.com (at least majority of the requests for withdrawals is lost, expired or… whatever). So they don’t need a bank licence. 😀
This thing has gone out of control now. The Kairos Support is writing e-mails to all with unverified accounts to go and ask refund from the people who transferred their funds (on Kairos) in order to get the package.
What a way to wash their hands off and start a war among the affiliates. This is incredible! How comes there is no police or authorities to arrest these scams who organized this incredible fraud??!!
In Turkey someone announce, that after 15.11 Kairos will start verificaitons and unblocking the accounts!!! Let’s see!
All people should go to the police!
Belton, authorities do know. In Estonia at least. And thatś the saddest part of the story. They have noticed Kairos, they have warned people, but they lack of confidence or proving skills or focus to shut it down.
Respect to Belarus, where authorities understand a simple truth: if you see smelly brown thing, you dont have to wait for 3 certified analysizes to clean it up.
Respect to Belarus! Thieves in jail!
Belton, where did you hear the news?
Send link please, thank you.
Ondrej Holemy, it’s not a new, you doesn’t hear about Belarus?
Yea, my fault (after I sent that question, I realized, that I heard about it) :), thanks anyway.
In addition to the cyber-police that much interested in the financial police, because taxes are not paid and the financial net!
Turn right into all the organs, then they will begin to transmit information between the services and the effect it will be much more quickly and efficiently.
Just write in the media, it is even more speed up the work of the police.
Changes in KairosPlanet Cabinet: You can recharge your Current account via Bitcoin system!!!
how about withdrawals? 😀 😀 😀 You can put your bitcoins in your ***!
If you convert $ to BC then Invoice looks like that…
Maybe there are not enough funds available for withdrawals.
Or maybe no bank currently holds the accounts for Kairos. Who knows. 😉
Anyway, none of the possible explanations behind the announcement is positive for Kairos members.
Another sinking company. Only greedy ppl can join this system… Nobody can believe to all these lies.
Investigation has just started in Hungary agains Kairos for organizing pyramid game upon accusation of a citizen.
Economical Crime Deparment of the Hungarian Main Prosecutor decided to start the investigation so the accusation was accused.
(Ozedit: Link removed, access denied)
The only thing that happens at Kairos are changes to deposit money to Kairos. All other changes of recent times are at the expense of the partners.
Example: All those who applied for payouts in October can not pay out for month November (salary, withdraw). I now have proofs that prove that AGC was initiated by Kairos. AGC is controlled by Kairos.
Charge your account with Bitcoin? No way. The way of this money would not be traceable at all. There is criminal energy on the road, that mocks every description.
There has been another aritcle about Kairos in Estonia. It basically says everything thats already written here. People haven’t received their payments, but true believers are still making excuses.
They also write that SEB pank has seized all transfer to and from the Kairos system. It also says that the Estonian Consumer Protection Board hasn’t really made any progress on the matter since the scheme is located outside of Estonia and direct monitoring isn’t possible.
Now their looking into a company thats been distributing Kairos locally. In the end there’s a warning from Estonian internet police saying that it’s not a good idea to join Kairos.
Last messages from Kairos members shows that some members received last payments to their IBAN accounts from ESA Holding GMBH.
So, we decided to do small OSINT research and have found following results:
RECORDS FROM AUSTRIA COMPANY REGISTER:
Last modifications in Austria company register:
INTERESTING RECORDS FROM SLOVAKIAN COMPANY REGISTER RELATED TO Oleksandr Svishchevskyi
The most interesting: finstat.sk/50248146/obchodny_register
Other related companies and persons connected with Oleksandr Svishchevskyi in Slovakian company register:
BIOTEC ENERGY, s. r. o.
Valerii Malygin Shareholder 10 000 € (50%) Dunaeva 3b, apt. 4, 45000 Odessa, Ukrajina
Oleksandr Svishchevskyi Shareholder 10 000 € (50%) 04123 Kyjev, Ukrajina
ESS Holding s. r. o.
Serhii Borovkov Shareholder 1 250 € (25%) Donetskaya 35, 03151 Kyjev, Ukrajina
Oleksandr Svishchevskyi Shareholder 3 750 € (75%) Hviezdoslavova 1016/46, 903 01 Senec
Seems like Ihor Khalimon is very interesting person too:
Probably Ihor Khalimon is also known as Ihor Serheevich – Kairos Chef of Security Department)
youcontrol.com.ua/catalog/company_details/39085708/ (in Ukrainian)
Former deputy assistant of Viktor Bondarenko (Ukrainian politician, member of Party of Regions)
nashigroshi.org/2015/12/03/pomichnyky-nardepiv-2007-2012-b-b/ (in Ukrainian)
You have information about Yosi Gold (Goldshmid)? In Israel, he served in prison 6 years for sexually attracted to children (pedophile), worked as a school teacher.
I have and can share information:
You can look his face on youtube:
How can this scum be reported effectively? I know it’s international, but there is a pyramid right? They can be found trough the pyramid to the top?
“Application to strike the company off the register”: beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09152272/filing-history
Kairos has only ever existed in the UK in name only. With the collapse, it’s hardly surprising they’ve cancelled the bogus UK reg.
They’ve always been coy about Russians actually owning the scheme, so best not to leave any paper trail.
What can you tell Oz about the new credit card they are publishing?
They claims it will be sent to all the participations in about two weeks. Of course i am not belive it will but there are people who does.
I can tell you it doesn’t change Kairos’ business model, which is still Ponzi fraud.
Unfortunately, i have to agree with you about that. It’s so sad to hear stories of people who invested uge ammonts of money and still hoping they will get it back.
Some time ago… Kairos announced its intention to leave UK, move away from UK jurisdiction (declared reason: Brexit).
This scenario is realised now. Kairos has applied for strike off of the UK companies register:
New jurisdiction is not known at the time.
Interesting reading is section 4 of strike-off application:
Looks like Kairos company will be dissolved in 2 months.
Does it mean that the company will cease its operations?
@qwas, all turkish newspapers wrote that kind of news. Not only this. I don’t want to comment why they are writing this.
I will ask queastion: why none of the russian or ukrainian newspapers doesn’t write anything?
What usually happen to be people who has invited a lot of people to the scheme? Let’s say around 1000, is it possible them charge with fraud or they can escape charges by saying that they believed that system.
I know someone who has made lots of money with this scheme and it would be funny if he gets away from the charge.
(English is my second language)
It depends on whether local authorities go after them.
Sadly Europe is a bit behind in going after white collar criminals, so unless a barrage of complaints are filed against your friend any regulatory action is unlikely.
Some Kairos affiliates received mail (probably fake) pretending to be sent by Otokar Kasynets, Kairos marketing director.
There is some “funny” stuff (“I decided to tell you truth”), some stuff copied (even with grammar mistakes) from my post in this discussion here (“Distributed processing and cloud storage for Kairos’ corporate clients does not exist. It’s total fiction and fake.”).
Most important is the last part, which IMHO correctly describes, what shall be done to minimize the damage and make a life of the scammers harder. Yes, without any doubts… Otokar is one of these guilty scammers!
Here is the letter:
Otokar denies the authorship of this letter on his facebook profile:
Another news on kairosplanet website:
Austrian regulator issued a warning.
ESA Holding GmbH holds currently account which is used to collect and re-distribute money from naive investors.
see also #comment-372222
Thanks for the heads up!
News on kairosplanet website:
^^ Covered that in the article.
Turkish ministry of customs and trade made an announcement:
A machine translation does make it fully understandable for me… but it sounds like a bad start of the year for Kairos in Turkey.
More Kairos news? Y’all on top of things, that’s for sure.
Leaders of Kairos are leaving the ship (like the rats which are leaving the ship first):
Otokar Kasynets (marketing director)
His 10 minutes message made short:
Video message from President of KairosPlanet Company: youtu.be/8mxNjx7iK0s
Nah. The problem is Kairos Technologies’ Ponzi business model.
The video is just your usual Ponzi excuses, blame everybody else except the company’s fraudulent business model.
The leaving top affiliates found a new project to scam people – Edelweiss5
Here is some analysis in Russian(auto-translate should work well):
@Oz: Maybe an idea for new article.
Added Edelweiss5 to the review list.
Don’t know if they really pay, but 100 USD to 11.01 EUR is really bad conversion. 100 U.S. dollars = ~93.9942382 Euros
Allo, it only looks at the first sight they are able to recover only ~10% of Kairos “income”. In fact, they promise to recover everything
but for service fee about 11%.
However… financingrequirements.com – domain was registered 18.12.2016 (a month ago) via proxy registrar (so the real owner is uknown). But the entries in their “blog” are dated since March 2016.
I would not give it a try. It looks highly suspicious to me. Your call..
I’m not a member of Kairos, just giving information I find to help others who have.
Hi Allo, so I do…
When I wrote “your call” – any desperate victim of Kairos was on my mind.
Something is going on… Kairos shall not escape from UK so easy:
Note: on 9 Dec 2016 Application to strike the company off the UK companies register has been made.
This shall be smooth process for companies with no creditors, debt, bearer shares etc. Apparently, there is “some obstacle” which has stopped the process.
Greetings for Mr. Viera!
According to Section 103 anyone can file an objection.
Austrian financial market supervisor (FMA) issued a warning against ESA Holding GmbH:
ESA Holding GmbH is a shell company, used by Kairos to collect payments for “packages” and distribute “salaries” in last month or two.
Looks like Kairos has lost another “bank” connection. Anonymous bitcoin transactions seems to be the “next big thing” for Kairos.
Vieira has launched finally his answer to all problems: enabled withdrawal to Schonpay system. Withdrawal via SWIFT and SEPA systems will no longer be available.
New card for 99 € only! (x 200 000 = 20 millions € only).
Pimps are promoting it heavily. They announced that new company has been established Jan 25th but not all core persons are among shareholders.
Schonpay… what a joke!
Payment processor (really?) from Belize, corporate web registered on December 30th 2016 (about month ago) via anonymous proxy (WhoIsGuard from Panama, with P.O. Box there). I have not investigate deeper, but my wild guess is – Schonpay is P.O. box company too.
Web of the company operating in Belize is in English, secondary language is Russian (sic!).
Used charge cards are issued by Wave Crest Holding from Gibraltar (same as with former e-payments).
Seems legit. Good luck and enjoy your new card for month or two! (costs: 100 EUR) 😉
Incoming payments are currently(from today) processed through a Slovakian limited company ESS Holding s.r.o.
see also #394
@Panama: Miguel Luis Vieira has nothing do to with this. Everything has been organized by Oleksii Kocherev.
Vieira is only a dumb-ass who borrowed his name, face and most importantly Swiss citizenship to make things look like somehow “legitimate”.
Small update about Schonpay…
Kairos announced this “payment option” as new method of withdrawals (in test mode) on its website.
SchonPay web of company from Belize is hosted via Hetzner.de – German webhosting provider (same as for web of Kairos – Kairosplanet com… pure coincidence?) 😀
SchonPay seems to be based on OK Pay branded front end for merchants. Let’s see how long will OK Pay keep them alive.
Could someone access those documents and post them as pdf-s?
Oh sorry, those are bad quality jpg screenshots.
Seems kairosplanet has registered new company: beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10582833
UK Companies House registration can be done online, take as little as 3 hours, cost as little as £9.99 and done from overseas.
IOW, it means nothing as far as protecting the consumer.
Ah, “new comapny” according to beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10582833 …
This is a good (but unfortunately incomplete) list and a reference of top Kairos scammers, with their contact info!
I see the link of this PLANET BUSINESS MANAGEMENT LIMITED with the announcement of issuing Kairos’s shares:
Note (for most shareholders) the volume of shares is based on their reached career level: Master (18), Executive (54) a Founder Executive (189) – as it was declared in previous announcement.
At least the authorities have a list of people who they should investigate.
@Mr. Czech: Unfortunately this is a list of the dumbest persons among Kairos scammers. Clever scammers and biggest net-winners already left the company and found new pyramids…
Of course, I know… that’s why I wrote “unfortunately incomplete list”.
E.g. top Slovak leaders and net-winners (Ondrejkova, Kasynets…), should be found elsewhere.
I think “-” has built more comprehensive list. 😉
I see increasing number of complains from Turkey – access to Kairos web and services is restricted for many Kairos users in Turkey.
They are declined with 403 Forbidden error (same has happened to UK users some time ago). Generally, large amount of users from Turkey are getting pretty pissed off.
Looks like Kairos servers decline traffic with UK and Turkey IP addresses.
Is it another impact of Brexit? 😀
What an unfair treatment of members: they can not pay for Schonpay new card (€ 99) by “Kairos money” on their accounts. Reasons are technical- so they have been told. So sad!
Hi guyz, yeah so indeed Schonpay allows only 3 days to make the payment for the card after the account has been verified.. its really sad that its has to be paid by users own money and not from kairos.
I noticed like 2 weeks ago that connexion to Kaiors cabinet wasnt working anymore and emailed them, the next day my cabinet was working and till now… my schonpay was also verified. I hope it works for all of us
Guyz, don’t be silly… why you cannot purchase Schonpay card with Kairos money? That’s because Kairos money has no value. Kairos money is a kind of Ponzi point. Take it.
Wave Crest Holding (card issuer) wants the real money. Kairos have to pay Wave Crest with the real money to obtain branded card for you. And more over, Kairos wants more real money from you (that’s why this card is so expensive).
The card will be real. But don’t expect successful withdrawals via this card. Because… (again) Kairos money on your account are worthless Ponzi points.
There are lots of fees and limits: schonpay.com/FeesAndLimits
Also, I think you still can’t get money out, they just show your money virtually.
Allo – of course, Schonpay is only another trick of Kairos how to collect more money from desperate affiliates. Having a charge card “issued” by Schonpay does not help most people to withdraw anything. Only to lose more. 😉
Schonpay is owned and managed by people behind Kairos itself. See comments 434 – 436.
Yeah, I have read those. Hope that business shuts down soon.
They said that they change company location due to brexit but their new company is registered in the UK.
Warning from Belize financial services regulator: ifsc.gov.bz/trendtino-limited
Trendtino is company running Schonpay service (new payment processor and card issuer for Kairos).
Thanks for the heads up guys.
Seems like they are starting new scheme.
Looks to me more like smoke and mirrors and food for dogs (scammed affiliates). Real scam organisers (not Micheal Vieira!) know that “restarts” are about less efficiency and more effort = poor performance. Probably they are acting in other scheme now (as far as I know, Otokar Kasynets moved to Edelweiss 5).
For me, this is a maneuver how to calm down affiliates & assume responsibility + draw attention of possible ongoing investigation to most stupid and greedy top scam promoters.
BTW – Otokar Kasynets and Edelweiss 5…
…and one of agreed courses for “next” Kairos:
Edelweiss 5 is opportunity to “invest” in alternative energy sources development. Any hidden connection? 😉
Someone uploaded a video of him pulling 50 euro with Kairos’ CC card , according to the bin number , the source of the card is in Gibraltar.
There is text “Prepaid” on card. Not Schonpay card.
Cards are in fact issued by Wave Crest Holding (from Gibraltar). It’s not a secret.
BTW – same type of the cards (prepaid travel cards) and the very same issuer (Wave Crest) were used in the times of ePayments. 😉
This time Kairos used the cheapest option and even did not put its logo (or Schonpay logo) on the card.
Card itself is a standard and real debit payment card – there is no trick and no fraud attached. People simply order a card from the real (although a bit shady) card issuer Wave Crest – by means of Schonpay. If you charge your card with a real money, you can withdraw it at ATM or use it at merchant.
But I guess, you will have a problem when you try to convert Ponzi dollars from Kairos account to the real money (and therefore with the transfer from Kairos “salary” account to the card balance).
Note: I’ve did not heard so far about anybody who’s got received money from Kairos to this card. I’ve heard only about a Kairos member which was able to withdraw $50 bonus – which was preloaded on the new card.
“Schonpay” card is for $99 (wow – pretty much), so there is space enough for a kind of bonus “preload”.
Changes in Kairos are coming… now hybrid (Ponzi + pyramid) scheme turns into pyramid.
This message is harder to read (a lot of a newspeak), but here is the summary:
All participants will be screwed off.
* In any case, they’ll gonna officially lose 50% of their accumulated “income” (which most of them were not able to withdraw since August/September 2016 anyway).
* The remaining 50% will be moved back to their “Current” account and treated separately (and bound/granted specifically):
– rental income (payments for pretended “lease” of PC resources) can be used to upgrade the Lease packages – e.g. is bound in the system.
– referral income (a share on the fraud and a reward for recruiting more suckers into the fraudulent scheme) can be spent to purchase some crappy products on (still not-existing) e-shop and investment into future (fraudulent) projects – e.g. is bound in the system.
– accrued part of “guarantee payment” (money the affiliates put in) will be available to withdraw via Schonpay (which I supposed will be closed by local regulators in the near future)
* Participants shall agree with these new terms and conditions. Otherwise their membership will be cancelled and they gonna lose 100% of their accumulated funds.
* Participants with expired package have a chance to agree with new terms within 30 days and upgrade their package and register in Schonpay. Otherwise they will be terminated (and officially lose everything).
* New compensation plan is not released yet, but by reading “mobilization plan” it will be heavily oriented on recruiting and probably only participants with high recruiting score will be paid out.
BTW, Schonpay is payment processor operated by Kairos from Belize… and customer warning has been already issued by Belize financial services supervisor. Additional costs to join Schonpayment is $99 (and $50 may be returned back for early adopter – the promo campaign for March 2017). Anyway, money send to Schonpay are under the control of Kairos.
God bless you, suckers!
I have over 12K$ in my Kairos accounts. Still waiting to withdrawal it. I have already ordered the schonpay card and received it also. Now I got the e-mail from Kairos:
I make a living from scamming people into Ponzi schemes. I have also made some fortune in Kairos during its good days. Recently, I have met some great people on one other site and now we are scamming in a pack, more efficiently and on several fronts.
However, I write here to enlighten you with respect to Kairos. 😀 🙂 😉 😉
You do not have 12k$ in your account. You have 12k points which seems to have negative exchange rate to real dollars. 😀 😉 😀 😉
How is it so?
Because if you had nothing, you would probably not invest into present-day Kairos and thus you would lose nothing. However, since you think you have 12k$, you try to withdraw them and you are willing to pay seemingly low fees (with respect to your nominal account at Kairos).
Obviously, the more points you have in your Kairos account, the more money you are willing to spend on fees.
But the trick is that fees are paid in real dollars, while there are no real dollars in your Kairos account.
Kairos (well, I should rather say what is left of it) know this very well and I think the most likely scenario is that they will pay no one. The less likely scenario is that they plan to continue the business (at least one more scamming iteration 🙂 😉 😀 😛 ) and they will send some money to chosen ones.
But still, they would make sure that they send less than they receive so your expected payoff would still be negative even in this case.
If you still don’t believe that Kairos is Ponzi scheme, you can have a look at my excel file. I have calculated costs of Kairos per GB per corporate client per month.
The cost is so huuuuge, not even Donald Trump could afford to buy something like that 🙂 😀 😛 😀
Citizen, sorry to say that – but what did you expected?!? Are you so naive?
Kairos is a scam. They have no other money than those coming from “guarantee payment”. And a lot of money they redistribute to “early adopters” before.
Now they have only increasing debts and they are insolvent. They will not pay anybody (maybe except few lucky guys – organisers, friends of organisers, and randomly selected lottery winners – which will brag their success on social media and this way they will help the scammers to keep thousands of people in false hopes).
In fact, they are trying to pump you (and other suckers) up – for Schonpay card, extending membership, upgrading package… whatever.
Only money you will see is from optional class action against Kairos and from funds confiscated by receiver (if there will be class action and receiver). Money confiscated from the scam organisers and major “net winners”. Your call!
P.S. From Kairos Facebook page (and other discussions) – many of Kairos affiliates received the same email (containing justification of the withdrawal request rejection). No matter if they have Schonpay card or not.
Hello! How users can sue Kairos???
Contact your local legal advisor, local police, police in UK and/or Interpol. Your call…
@yayaya: Why would someone sue the Kairos Technologies Ltd?
Does the company have any obligation to pay you money?
Do you have any signed contract to prove that?
Did you send them money? Why? Because your good friend/douchebag said so?
Does payment’s description say “Pmnt for software/online Services”?
Did you enjoy the software and online services?
Money sent to Asset Global Consulting, Eximstar, ESA Holding or ESS Holding has nothing to do with Kairos…
Use your brain next time. Good lessons are never cheap…
Thank god I’ve paid a small sum of money (because of my curiosity) and I returned my investition.
As a metter of fact in contract between company and suckers like me says that it will be paid a guarantee if we use their software/program 10h/day.
I dont blame anyone but I just wanna know if there are any legal way to remove companies like Kairos from the market. And luckily, I didint send or receive money through AGC, ESA….
That’s the task for the victims of the scam. But often they are reluctant to do it. Reasons?
– They are too stupid to know how to do it, or they are simply lazy (in the false hope that someone other will take a care of them)
– They (in the end) know well they were participating in the scam and they are afraid of carrying the responsibility and or they are threatened by their “leaders”.
– they live in the false hope they will be rewarded in the end for their loyalty. But they did not realized that the end is already over. 😉
Some (bad) news…
Funds frozen at out-of-function payment processor AGC were moved back Kairos cabinet (what a magic!). Unfortunately (AFAIK), nobody is able to withdraw the money since February 2017 using Schonpay card.
I read this “positive message from AGC” as a pure lure – Kairos wants the affiliates to buy Schonpay card and to pay for memberships (account restoration).
Oh, and what’s new about that Schonpay card and e-wallet managed by Trendtino Ltd…? There is a new consumer warning from Austria against Trendtino Ltd.:
I guess, the card will be completely useless soon in EU.
Some other news (not so important from the point of view of those waiting for payments… payments will not occurred anyway).
Michael Viera resigns from his positions in Kairos (Kairos Technologies CEO and main shareholder of Business Planet Management).
So Viera plays a runaway cat. I am not sure it will help him and save his health and life.
Eagles Corporation established a website few days ago at
Without a content at the moment, but company facebook pages (official?) appeared with this message:
Have a fun!
Investigation started in Moldova. 7 main organizers identified and charged. Some of them fled the country.
Kairos seems to be dead. Finally 😉
Web site and official Facebook page still exist, but nobody cares to communicate or to sanitise desperate comments there.
Most of the unofficial pages, support forums and groups has already disappeared. Even the leaders admit that they are not paid (and of course, for the sake of their own security they claim to be in loss).
The vultures – web small time crooks – emerge trying to get some profit of the damage for themselves.
Financing Requirements – (web domain “financingrequirements.com”) promised to arrange successful withdrawals for some administration fee. Web domain is now defunct (they appeared and were active in December 2016 – February 2017). Archived content of their web:
No clue if they “succeeded”.
SchonPay – “Payment processor” or broker probably managed by hidden Kairos admins.
They tried to pump affiliates for $99 for a charge card. Affiliate/MLM commissions were promised to promote it faster. But with a small exception, for most affiliates it was never possible to charge it from Kairos salary account.
Some affiliates bought this crap in the hope of withdrawing their “Kairos money”.
Eagles Corporation – a flopped attempt to sell some unregistered shares (lure: 50% discount for Kairos’s affiliates in loss).
A club membership shall be for $120/year, shares for $1 and promised profit 10% and also some MLM concepts were (vaguely) promised.
Managed by Duka Gervalla from Kairos + some “attorneys” – clowns from Switzerland.
Zorg Biogas – very unclear and flopped business based on coupons (shares?) issued by Zorg Biogas (real company).
Affiliates shall purchase these coupons in the promise of guaranteed back purchase with profit. Organised probably by Kairos figurehead CEO and clown Michel Vieira.
I am not sure if this “contract” between Kairos and Zorg was even signed. Probably, nobody bought these coupons.
A group of attorneys promising to take a class action on HYIPs, namely Kairos… In fact, web is targeted on Czech and Slovak Kairos affiliates only.
They promise (guarantee!) they will be able to freeze Kairos funds and for administration fee of $39 recover loss of first 2.500 signed Kairos affiliates.
They pretend they were successful in hundreds of these class actions since 2009, but there is no sign of existence of NZT Company since March 2017 when their web domain was registered.
Stupidity never changes.
@Oz: Time for some new reviews.
Former Kairos top affiliates Otokar Kasynets, Kateryna Ondrejkova and Michael Derda started to promote a new scam nolink://priority-investment.com/cooperare
Roman Mishuk, Aleksey Kedo and Sergei Petrik started to promote/operate a news scam nolink://pride.network
business model description in russian nolink://mmgp.ru/showthread.php?t=528348
Thanks for the heads up.
Added Priority Investment to the review list. Pride Network looks like low-end Russian HYIP crap so ignored (that and translation = headache).
Web site kairosplanet(dot)com is down: not responding with error 504 – Gateway Time-out (at least from my geo location).
Say “go to hell” to this scam.
It seems that nobody paid for hosting and it has expired. The main site was hosted at Hetzner in Germany. The sub-domain cabinet.kairosplanet.com is still online but it has been hosted at OVH in France.
As I see – the hosting for Kairosplanet.com shall expire next year.
Hosting, or domain name? Separate services.
Web page is online (after the couple of days downtime) again. 🙁
Unfortunately, there is still someone behind the scene taking the care (but not rushing).
We missed something important… Kairos officially undergoes the liquidation.
The court order (sentenced without a presence of Kairos officials) was held on 29th November 2017:
I suggest you to contact receiver – if you think it’s worth of saving a part of your investment and upholding the liability…:
If we can at least believe in the figures presented by Kairos, there were about 250 000 “affiliates” (victims). I am not sure if this figure represents real physical persons, or each bought “package” is counted. Some people bought more than one lease package. Some did dances and rounds to purchase more than 6 packages (and thus overcome the official “personal limit”).
Another claim from Kairos: people spent about USD 1 900 per package (average package)… so it means people flushed about half bilion USD (~ 500 000 000) into Kairos. And rough estimation tells that net loss is about 250 000 000 which were not returned back as “salary and bonuses”.
Nobody has been called for responsibility so far. Looks like people love to be scammed – and police, courts etc. are not interested in protection. Scamming seems to be good and safe job.
@Oz: Top Kairos (serial) scammer Roman Mishuk and his group are spreading a new scam under the name Synterium,
They are gonna mine new Bullshitcoin gectacoin.
Added Synterium to the review list, thanks for the heads up!
Well… after more than a half of the year of “radio silence and no communication” from Kairos, there is a brand new announcement on Kairos website and facebook:
So… wanna tokens instead of money? 😉
This announcement is definitely not welcomed by affiliates on facebook… a lot of hateful comments below this stunt. 😉 People want their money back, not the tokens.
Although this announcement is very vague and no details are revealed, I suppose these two possible scenarios can carry on:
1) This is an attempt to scam people again and rip them off of more money.
Of course, the “investment” into an alleged ICO coming from the affiliates’ locked “funds” in their backoffice has no value. I wonder if Kairos asks the affiliates to participate in ICO with more real money (or at least some “administrative” fee).
2) Force people to write off Kairos’ debt
At the moment, Kairos has contractual liabilities against its affiliates. In contract, Kairos promised to return back full “guarantee fee + fixed guaranteed revenue 150%”. This liability can be now exchanged for “tokens” with arbitrary value (probably close to null). Makes a sense with regard to ongoing insolvency court order (see my previous comment).
I also wonder how such a kind of “ICO” announcement can be made by company undergoing liquidation and without management (only one official CEO Michael Vieira left the company about half year ago).
TV documentary on Kairos (Czech TV archive): ceskatelevize.cz/ivysilani/1097429889-cerne-ovce/218452801080221
Note: TV stream may not be available outside the country of origin, but I hope the subtitles section (tab Titulky) can be viewed and translated using online tools.
But don’t hope to see there something “investigative”. The whole show is simplified presentation of facts already mentioned here and “dogs food” (victims can agree and vent their frustration, but they’ve got no useful hints how to recover).
The news about so called Kairos “ICO”:
Anonymous scammers in the hideout need more money. 😉
Fortunately, most people in discussion keep the distance from the scam. On the other hand – there are 3000 registered listeners on private Kairos’ Telegram channel.
@Mr. Czech: It’s not gonna be so easy ;). Oleksii Kocherev is preparing a new scam called “Planet Mobile”. Kairos ICO will be part of that.
More info in russian can be found here nolink://vk.com/kairosplanetclub.
There is a video with Oleksii Kocherev with explanation of the project. More info is coming this/next month.
Kairos’s public web pages are not available now – so as the login pages for a back office and provided “services” (the ultra “secure” mail and cloud).
It’s getting dark and after hours…
Czech police allegedly is in charge, but so far – no one accused, arrested nor convicted (AFAIK).
According to my estimation – 500 mil. USD have been collected. From this pile about 250 mil. USD were shuffled back between affiliates and 250 mil. USD were stolen by the organisers of the scam.
Good bye, sleep tight. It was indeed “successful” business.
THAT’S ALL FOLKS!!!
Winding-up of Kairos is complete.
nolink://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09152272/filing-history (document as of 9th August 2018).
Net losers can contact official receiver & liquidator Syma Chohan from Insolvency Service from Birmingham. Good luck with your claims!
…and so the scams go…
Probably the very last entry in UK register of the companies:
nolink://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09152272/filing-history (document as of 9th Nov 2018)
Internet fora which used to be hot and full of Kairos promoters, supporters and defenders remains awfully silent.
Mr. Czech forgot to mention here one older news.
The main organizer in Belarus was sentenced to 6 years in jail, fined 60000 byr(25000euro) and asset forfeiture.
Someone connected with Otokar Kasynets (supposedly the former director of something in Kairos) has recently contacted me and asked to pay for removal of the articles where his name is mentioned.
After I have refused, they threatened to involve the layers.
So, Otokar and his cronies are probably working on a new “opportunity” and wish to clear their history of scam involvements as much as possible.
Oh, “Otokar Kasynets is an honest and decent person”. What a joke. First of all, he is a professional scammer.
Since a collapse of Kairos, he was involved in couple of dubious “investment” MLMs project (green energy, professionals investing into something-something, supported by videos made in rented offices and so on). AFAIK it went tits up before it succeed.
I am eager to see his new project!
Good ol’ PR scammers, themselves working on behalf of MLM scammers.
I got tired of these emails so now they are just auto-deleted. Ditto GDPR and “some shitty law in Europe means you have to delete evidence of my client’s scamming” scammers.
Google just did some new feature where you can request your personal details be removed. Can’t wait for those donkey emails to start showing up.
Just to let you know that one of my articles about Kairos at the old WordPress.com blog was nuked by false DMCA claim. How do I know it’s false ?
They claimed I have copied content from my new blog to the old one. Practically abused my own current website to kill the article at the old blog. And they also used the previous domain owner contact info with fake email address.
So, this is just a warning to be weary of using free hosting sites, as they can easily destroy your hard work by fake DMCA claims.
Scammers run off to PR scammers, and they do anything to try to get content pulled.
The ol’ “this website I created yesterday and copy pasted a BehindMLM article to is a DMCA violation! The content on BehindMLM that was written years ago copied my content!” notices show up on Lumen Database from time to time.
It really is a broken system when it comes to abuse. YouTube getting more and more ridiculous might spur change because of the combined viewership. Everyone else is pretty much on their own.
Well, more weirdness regarding Otokar and his friends.
I’ve found this email in my spam folder:
Don’t believe that some anonymous article could influence any bank in the world not just Slovakia.
And here is the previous conversation from Facebook, since someone has removed it…
Maybe Otokar or someone from the agency is closely following the comments in this topic ?
In that case, let me just say hi and to let you guys from the agency or Otokar himself know that you shouldn’t worry, there will be more articles about Otokar and his pals on both of my blogs. I’m just getting started now.
Possibly related; some dumb fucks from Russia tried the same “Ukraine refugees” angle with me a few months back. The contact started around Mid March and was ignored till March 29th.
On March 29th Kety Ustug (ekaterinablahblah gmail address) sent:
To which I replied:
This resulted in veiled threats against my life and then another request for content removal, both of which were ignored.
The scammers then proceeded to fraudulently gain access to the BMLM email account (fake passport, sob story about hackers etc.).
Could be unrelated (no names were disclosed) but BehindMLM comes up on a search for both Oleksiy Kocherev and Otokar Kasynets.
Feel free to publish articles but I wouldn’t engage directly any further. Any direct contact you have with them is likely being harvested.
Thanks for letting me know they’ve tried the same approach with you, and yes it was that Katy person.
I have no intention to reply to them, as I don’t see any benefit to it. I’m not interested in their excuses, even less in their threats.
I’m just gonna focus on making more articles to cover both individuals and their involvement with Kairos and other scams.
It seems PR cleaners did a good job. Googling a phrase Kocherev Kasynets gives only 3 pages of results.
Many of links in result set are dead ends (removed pages, removed videos, abandoned blogs of former Kairos supporters). E.g. no link to THIS article (although both names were mentioned here many times).
I am shown this review by Google:
Strange. How is this possible? I read this message for the first time today:
When I search for Kocherev Kasynets I get two results from BehindMLM, second result on the first page.
You can manually request, or add a specific request blocking file on your site to block search indexers etc.
@Melanie – it is believed that Google search results are heavily personalized and there are no two same results sets for same searched phrase performed by two different persons / from different computers / from different locations. And you’ve searched for slightly different term.
At the moment, all I can find on Kocherev Kasynets within BML is a found link to my own recent comment (which appeared for a while in comments feed on BMLM landing page).
Using the search phrase with “site:” operator site:behindmlm.com Kocherev Kasynets gives me more details and relevant articles.
I am not surprised they cleaned also content from web archive.
There is the way how to remove archived content form Way Back Machine:
Video from September 6, 2016
The Mercedes that Otokar Kasynets is driving in the video has a license plate from Hungary [H], but was bought in Schwäbisch Gmünd in Germany:
16 videos in total on this channel from Germany:
The German speaker in these videos does not give his name, of course. When I click on his link to the group on Facebook, a surprise follows. I don’t see anything from Kairos Planet, but from another scam: