Zeek Rewards surround themselves in secrecy
Once upon a time you could market Zeek Rewards to prospective new affiliates on the trust that here was a company owned and operated in the US, with US banking services and backed by a company that had 14 years of history of conducting business out of Lexington in the US state of North Carolina.
If you had a problem, sorting it out was as simple as calling support up and getting your problem fixed at the latest, within a few hours. Oh, and let’s not forget “neither Zeek Rewards nor Rex Ventures have ever missed a payment”.
Sure Zeek Rewards business model didn’t really stand up to scrutiny (how could it when it was launched guaranteeing a 125% ROI) and the whole thing reads like a dodgy investment scheme, but at least members could proclaim with confidence that should something go wrong – the money was easily recoverable because it hadn’t been fluttered away to some distant undisclosed location.
Well, not anymore.
Ever since Zeek Reward’s local North Carolina based bank booted the company from its client base sometime in May, what we’ve since witnessed is an increase in secrecy, blaming of company affiliates for all the company’s ongoing problems and overall decreasing transparency regarding the opportunity.
Touted as initially being ‘for Zeek Rewards affiliates only‘, Zeek’s publicly viewable support forums (outsourced to third-party community provider ‘Get Satisfaction’) quickly became a revealing insight and invaluable tool for prospective Zeek Rewards affiliates to conduct due diligence into the company.
Behind the “we are not an investment scheme” and “you get paid to advertise” sunshine and smiles was a raw look at what was really going on behind the scenes for company affiliates. An insight for prospective members of what they themselves were likely to experience if they decided to sign up and invest put money into Zeek Rewards at any given time.
Since the abrupt announcement in late May that Zeek were immediately suspending the issuing of checks while they scrambled to find alternative banking channels, the Zeek Rewards support forums have seen an outpouring of requests for help and support from the company’s affiliates.
Having observed the support forums for a few weeks now, these issues are constantly at the forefront and for the most part remain unresolved:
- Zeekler auction winnings not being paid, dating back as far as April
- checks sent to Zeek Rewards gone missing, dating again back to April
- VIP bids not being credited correctly
- complaints about regular wait times of over 2 hours to speak to someone in support only to then either be disconnected or told the matter had to be escalated (and never hearing back from support again)
- support emails not being answered
- frequent problems with payment processors ranging from availability, not being able to login to created accounts, ongoing delays and in the worst cases the missing of funds
- complaints regarding Zeek Rewards affiliates using other affiliate’s emails to create fake Zeekler customers to dump VIP bids onto
Perhaps not so good for the company and its affiliate’s recruiting efforts, but a real-time snapshot of insight into company operations and what being an affiliate of Zeek Rewards is really like.
Without a doubt, for prospective Zeek Rewards members the support forums has been an invaluable source of the much touted requirement of due diligence that is universally prescribed within the MLM industry today.
Rather then acknowledge the ongoing problems and concerns with the opportunity and allow non-members to observe what affiliates are going through, today, on the eve of of Zeek Rewards’ Red Carpet event for June no less (which the company charges $1000 for affiliates to attend and more if they wish to talk to company management – something you wouldn’t know if you didn’t have access to the Zeek Rewards support forum), customer support rep ‘Alex’ announced that the company was going to close off the forums from public view.
On Wednesday June 13, 2012 this community will be going through transition.
With this migration from a public community to a private community we have some caveats that will take place, all the content in this current community will migrate over.
We are striving to build a more reliable customer service experience for everyone in ZeekRewards.
Citing the building of a ‘more reliable customer service experience‘, one can only wonder what Alex is talking about given that non-affiliates have never been able to participate in the support forums (as it should be).
How does closing off this avenue of due diligence from the public in any way provide a more reliable customer service for Zeek Rewards affiliates?
The answer is it doesn’t.
What it does do however is conveniently sweep under the carpet ongoing concerns and shift them out of the public eye. One particular concern that remains unanswered is the current state of Zeek Rewards banking arrangements.
Following an initial announcement claiming that Zeek Rewards was ‘awaiting Hong Kong’s approval of our provided (credit card) solution‘ back on May 21st, the company then put out a bizarre warning to affiliates to not worry about ‘zonalibre1’ appearing on some credit card statements for Zeek Rewards purchases on June 2nd.
With ‘Zona Libre’ the name commonly used to refer to the offshore tax-haven Zona Libre de Colon in Panama, this not surprisingly raised some eyebrows.
Then, with no further explanation as to the status of their Hong Kong application, a few days ago Zeek Rewards started asking affiliates to inform their credit card companies that charges originating out of Korea were legitimate. With things seemingly not working out in Panama and Hong Kong (China), it seems for now that Zeek’s credit card processing has been relocated to Korea.
Again, something else you wouldn’t know as a prospective member if you didn’t have access to Zeek Rewards’ support forum.
On the traditional banking front, after halfheartedly conceding that their existing bank in North Carolina showed them the door, Zeek Rewards then attempted to shift focus on their new banking arrangements by announcing they were going paperless with affiliate commissions.
All very well but when you consider that bank accounts are still needed to fund online e-wallet solutions (which are all based offshore), the fact of the matter is that Zeek Rewards still need a bank account somewhere to draw money out of and deposit into.
In a half-arsed attempt to quell suspicions that Zeek Rewards had indeed moved their banking services offshore (a worrying sign indicative of a lack of US-based banks willing to do business with the company), Zeek Rewards first attempted to legitimise their secrecy by blaming affiliates.
Citing NxPay as an example, COO Dawn Wright-Olivares stated on a recent radio show interview that the offshore payment processor had recorded up to 2,000 calls from angry Zeek Rewards affiliates wondering where their money was.
Going on to explain that this was unacceptable and that affiliates contacting their banks was going to get them shut down, this is the current reason cited for the secrecy surrounding Zeek Reward’s current banking arrangements.
On the Zeek Rewards support forums however, a customer support representative took it one step further and suggested that members stop asking questions and just continue to deposit money with the company or get out:
jmw: Who is Zeek banking with now? What is the name of the new bank and where are they located?
EMPLOYEE Brett Gurney (Official Rep): this is a huge problem with zeek and it literally puts the company in danger…too many affilaites running around calling the banks and lawyers to find out this and that…
in my opinion…this needs to stop and if it doesn’t those people who have to know this information maybe should just not be in zeek.
To date the question of who Zeek Rewards are banking with and whether their bank accounts remain in the US or offshore remains unanswered. Seemingly by the amount of censored replies in quoted support thread above, a closely guarded secret and something Zeek Rewards does not want its current or prospective members to know or even ask about.
Another recent half-hearted attempt to answer the banking issue questions without really answering them was published on the Zeek Rewards News blog on June 8th:
We have resolved our banking issues. Sample Bid purchases have been being processed, and posted to accounts all along and are running on a 7-10 business day processing time.
Again we are truly sorry for this frustration. Thank you for your continued faith and trust in us.
For an opportunity members are able to readily pump $10,000 USD a pop into, this is naturally a wholly inadequate response. Out of the fifty-eight recorded comments left in response to their vague announcement, Zeek Rewards chose to publish just four of them (6.8%) – all four showing unwavering support for the company.
Of course this bank account issue is just one topic I’ve chosen to highlight the ‘read between the lines’ benefits of Zeek Rewards closing off their affiliate’s problems and concerns from the public and prospective members, there are many more relating to Zeekler’s auction winnings, payment processors, missing bids, credit card payments etc.
As a prospective member conducting my due diligence into Zeek Rewards, currently unresolved issues like this,
I have 4 affiliates with over 30 000 usd who have been waiting for 14 days, or 9 business days now for their money getting in to NxPay.
No answer at support or tickets yet.
which was published just 6 hours ago. Along with where Zeek are sending my money off to if I join Zeek Rewards, current affiliate concerns and issues like the above are certainly not going to be covered in the sales pitch of my potential upline.
Along with the thousands of comments that don’t get published on the Zeek Rewards News website, this increased reliance on secrecy and a lack of communication and transparency isn’t inspiring any increased confidence in the opportunity or Zeek Rewards as a company.
If anyone can point to an example in the history of MLM where moving funds offshore, closing themselves off to public scrutiny and operating in ever-increasing secrecy has benefited members and was done so to strengthen the legitimacy of a company itself, I’m all ears.
Footnote: Some of the quotes cited in this article are taken directly from the currently publicly viewable Zeek Rewards support forum (zeeksupport.zeekrewards.com).
Under normal circumstances I’d link to these sources as individual support threads but given Zeek Rewards are flipping the switch and cutting public access to the forum sometime in the next 24 hours I didn’t think there was any point.
The quotes provided however are legitimate and were made by Zeek Rewards affiliates at the time of publication of this article.
Update 15th June 2012 – Sometime in the last few hours the switch has been flipped and the Zeek Rewards support forums have now been set to private.
Users visiting the old support forums are now greeted with the following message:
This community is no longer active.
The Zeek community has moved to a private location. Please visit zeeksupport.zeekrewards.com/login for support or view the archived content.
As I understand it only Get Satisfaction accounts who use Fastpass (tied into their Zeek Rewards account) can now browse Zeek’s new secret forums.
You didn’t have to be an affiliate to post on support forum. You could create a new account. However, closing this to only affiliates means Zeekler customers (the few that are legitimate) cannot post and have to rely on the support ticket / phone / email which are currently useless.
Many Zeekler customers (who pay for bid) have had support tickets unanwered for 3+ months. This includes lack of acknowledgement or any progress.
Also, I have confirmed several auction winnings won in March that are still unpaid. (Zeekler user paid Zeekler for auction winning, but Zeekler did not pay the cash auction prize.)
Daryl Douglas’s claim on the 5/31 call that he has NEVER heard of an auction item going unpaid or unshipped and that if that were true, his hotline (cell phone) would ring is pure BS from the support forum and my own personal experience.
Dear Zeek: SEND ME MY MONEY! IT HAS BEEN 3 MONTHS, 6 SUPPORT TICKETS, 2 EMAILS, **NO REPLY AT ALL**.
I had a check in April get “lost” in the mail and a check issued in early May, that didn’t arrive in time to bank into their now closed account. I know I’ll be very lucky if I ever get an answer from support about replacement checks.
I’m sure there are many others like me. So much for never missing a payment. What a load of baloney!
Given all the support problems that Zeek has, and poor/nonexistent customer service, I’m surprised any affiliates are staying in and not cashing out. I imagine they’re just staying in for the sake of the money they’ve invested in vain hopes that they will get rich.
I wonder how long they’ll keep using the “growing pains” and “impossible to keep up with such phenomenal growth” excuses?
You’d think a multimillion dollar company that’s “been in business for 14 years” and has “3 million customers” would have worked out all the bugs by now. But it looks like they’d rather just have their support forum go private so no google search will reveal all the problems they’ve been having.
@Jimmy
Given you’re only allowed to sign up with your Zeek Rewards affiliate name (first and surname), I figured being an affiliate was a given caveat.
PatrickPretty.com pointed out that both AdViewGlobal (related to the Ad Surf Daily Ponzi, as it’s started by Andy Bowdoin’s stepson) and the JSSTripler2 HYIP did the exact same things.
http://www.patrickpretty.com/2012/06/12/modern-mlm-purported-jss-triplerjustbeenpaid-promoter-whos-also-a-purported-zeek-promoter-tells-zeek-members-they-can-post-their-ads-on-his-blog-to-earn-zeek-payouts/comment-page-1/#comment-
@Oz – You can create a separate Get Satisfaction account. Click on “sign up” at the top. Then click on “click here if you already have a Get Satisfaction account” at bottom of the popup. Then click “create a new Get Satisfaction account”.
(I’m unfamiliar with Get Satisfaction)
If Zeek Rewards Support goes private don’t they have to vet every account that has access? I know there’s an increase in monthly charge and upgraded account required in order for them to initiate it.
Usually “going private” just means you can’t read the contents without logging in first. This way Google can’t index anything. Zeek should have created their own forum using some commercial forum software instead of Get Satisfaction which allows you to use a single Get Satisfaction account to interact with multiple vendors.
But even if Zeek was going to require that only affiliates have access, or authenticate against Zeek Rewards logins, what’s to prevent anybody from creating a free Zeek affiliate account and logging in?
I supposed they could limit support forums to “paid affiliates” only… then that starts becoming quite cultish.
Guess we’ll have to wait for them to cut access first to see which direction they take with it.
It’s also frightening to see how close this is starting to sound like Madoff.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/24/business/24excerpt.html?pagewanted=all
Scroll down to “may 14th”. Madoff is already short on funds, but when the guy who only wants to put in 2 million started asking too many questions, he was shown the door.
I think it’s going to be very interesting to keep a close eye on Zeek in the next few months.
One more interesting element: supposedly ZeekRewards had announced (I haven’t seen confirmation) that they’re outsourcing some of their tech support to… Mauritius?
So, what’s to stop one of the actual affiliates who post here from printing web pages out as a PDF of taking a screen cap and posting it elsewhere?
Nothing would stop that from happening (unless they have some clause and then actually enforce it).
I’m sure it is more in the interest of it not being Google indexed, as Zeek’s own forum will rank highly for zeek related terms and don’t want these complaints showing up in the top 10.
I’m sure the Zeek staff will come up with some rule that will prohibit it under penalty of being banned.
Support forums still public as of 3:45 PM CST today. Interesting to read there that people are still having problems getting paid auction winnings, even though staff identified the problem as an “IT issue” 9 days ago.
I think Zeek is playing with fire here, because it would be very easy for a disgruntled retail customer or even affiliate to contact the state attorney general of NC or wherever they run the auctions from.
Even if the online auctions aren’t a scam, it’s not helping their image with a bunch of irate people who haven’t been paid from auctions from four months ago. I wonder if they’re running out of money or if the unpaid auctions are related to their banking problems…
The reputation of being TOO interested in other people’s problems will stop most people. 🙂
Quoting a few posts as information is OK, and can be considered to be “normal interest” in a topic. Starting to make PDF’s of each and every post is a bit “over the edge”, unless someone really have asked for it.
One of us affiliates could easily email it to a non-affiliate for posting…
Heh, you read my mind…
It would really be interesting to know if the affiliates who recruit the most have priority in getting paid…but I guess they aren’t gonna tell.
Ouch, this guy seems to have lost his initial $500 investment and a $10,000 referral commission in one hit with no explanation provided:
It’s horror stories like this Zeek don’t want getting out of the support forums.
Wow. All I can say is that he worded that letter a lot nicer than I would have if I’d just lost $10K. And then I’d be sending a followup letter to the NC Attorney General.
I didn’t find any non-compliant advertising for this username “jrundell” in the search engines. Zeek has been giving affiliates only 12 hours notice before shutting down accounts when non-compliant advertising is found.
I am waiting for a really pissed off affiliate to create 100 non-compliant websites with egregious claims, then leave links for the top 100 affiliates. Compliance would notify them with 12 hour notice and these affiliates cannot remove the offending content.
Would cause total chaos… and also demonstrate the stupidity of Zeek’s compliance policy & enforcement.
Keep in mind this guy doesn’t even know why he lost his 10k investment. There has been no communication from the company regarding the issue since his money was taken on the 9th June.
Kinda sad someone with “30 years marketing experience” could not see through the spin and deception before joining.
Zeek’s thread on PennyAuctionWatch is rather interesting read:
http://pennyauctionwatch.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16920
Apparently they “bought” another penny auctioneer back in 2011 and jumped into the business.
What’s REALLY interesting is that other business they bought? They don’t even *have* a state auction license.
Which brings up a very important question: Does Zeekler have a North Carolina State Auction License?
If they do, I can’t find it.
I think I got the history of Zeekler figured out.
Paul Burks can’t run an auction. He tried to start FSC Auction in March 2010, but couldn’t run it properly. So he somehow got Darryle Douglas, who was running a competing auction called MyBidShack, and proposed some sort of a “merger”.
MyBidShack is a predecessor of ZeekRewards, complete with a matrix comp model with promise of 50% profit back to affiliates, except there is NO separation between the auction and the rewards program at all (which made it 100% illegal recruitment scam)
If you search on MoneyMakerGroup you can still find Daryle Douglas (DD) there, as a former mod, pushing his own program on the readers, including one of the earliest ZeekRewards banners, and archived ad that promises 125% ROI.
http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Mybidshack-Mybidshackc-t340263.html&p=5921897#entry5921897
The Zeekler penny mascot also appears numerous times on the MyBidShack website and associated advertising.
It’s even the designated website favicon if you visit mybidshack.com without a referral link.
MyBidShack has Rex Ventures LLC on the bottom of the website. Looks like the entire backend must have been purchased and rebranded (with an apex distributor position in Zeek Rewards thrown in for Douglas?).
So much for Dawn Olivares ‘Burks asked me to come up with a new idea so I did’ story.
edit: more – http://pennyauctionzoom.com/2010/06/mybidshack-new-zeeklers-brother/
The hell is ‘GoGohub?’
More – http://www.mywot.com/en/forum/15524-zeekler-com
That fits with what I gathered.
In other news, Troy claims that irate Zeekheads were calling both of Zeek’s banks asking if the check they sent to Zeek had been deposited, tying up the bank’s phone lines. THAT is why he’s helping Zeek keeping the identity of the new bank a secret.
http://mlmhelpdesk.com/mlm-radio-news-zeek-rewards-coo-dawn-wright-olivares-on-aces-radio-live-friday-june-8-2012/#comment-59337
I left him a question whether he knows if Zeekler has an auction license from State of North Carolina. We’ll see if he gets back to us in time to be useful.
But Zeek is no longer taking checks, so why would affiliates call the bank?
And if it was a big bank, couldn’t Trou Dooly just give is a name like ‘Citi’ or ‘Chase’ without the city?
Or maybe just confirm the country.
Troy’s appologies are getting so weak.
30 years experience isn’t worth much when people repeats the same mistakes over and over again. He clearly focused on “hopes and dreams”, “beliefs” and “patience”, instead of trying to find out why his ideas seems so fail most of the time. He’s probably missing a major component in his sets of ideas.
Most of the typical “American success recipes” will be dead end roads after awhile, having an opposite effect than they initially might have had when people started to follow them. That’s why I dropped reading books like that 20 years ago.
By the way, he didn’t lose $10K. His initial investment was $500 (500 bids), compounded to 1,130 VIP Points. He also lost the 1,000 points commission for the 10K bids, 2 month diamond fee and other costs.
With 30 years experience, he should have been able to see the signs of trouble from miles away if he hadn’t been blinded by his own ideas.
Ah good pickup cheers, I misread the thread title in the support forum (it mentioned 10k).
I think it’s somewhat revealing that after 30 years of marketing experience he had to borrow $500 from his fiance to get started.
The leadership call I have mentioned was clearly an example for “failed success recipes”. I recognized several theories during the call.
At 20:00 into the call I’ll believe Dawn THINKS she is using “Law of Attraction” when she’s using herself as an example.
* It starts with talking about the problem that affiliates are calling Zeek’s lawyer, bank etc.
* Then she’s comparing it to some rude behaviour, “people nobody wants to be around”.
* Then she’s using herself as an example for good behaviour, as a person lots of people will be attracted to or be similar to, using words like “classy”, “cool”, “successful”, “smart” and “fun” or whatever (I have listened to it TWICE, but I don’t remember the exact words).
My point is:
I didn’t find that behaviour very “attractive”, “classy” or “cool”, or to belong to a person I want to be around or be similar to. It would probably felt like a nightmare having her as a leader in a company. And I don’t think anyone else (except herself) will find that behaviour very “attractive” or “classy” either?
It’s possible to detect several SelfDev and leadership theories that has failed during the call, causing an opposite effect than they initially were meant to create. The call sounded closer to “somebody recording their own motivational tapes” (repeating some “affirmations”, and acting in specific roles) than to a real leadership call.
It doesn’t make it much better when a guy like me comes around. I didn’t find the behaviour very “cool” or “attractive”, and I’m not polite enough to pretend it was, either.
I have a friend who introduced me to Zeek. I am a firm believer if it sounds too good to be true than it likely is. So before I get involved I do some research on the net. I quickly determine this is the Ponzi scam I think it is.
Armed with some facts like the misleading of Zeekheads in regards to the 6 countries booted out of Zeek. Many of the top affialiates are from the confirmed Ponzi of ASD, there is no product being sold.
No one in their right might would remain a customer of zeek once they paid for bids , lost an auction and lost money. You would have to be brain dead.
Further my friend keeps telling me they are number one, but when I check traffic stats, QUIbids beats them hands down. It seems like ZR is full of misleading info, outright lies and a failed auction site barely disguising the Ponzi, but my friend can’t seem to see through it.
I don’t understand how any intelligent person can drink the kool-aid and even refuse todo their own research to find the truth. I am concerned for my friend, his family and all others he has misguidingly lead to this Ponzi, but can’t get through to him.
Any thoughts how I can get him to see the light?
You don’t HAVE TO (make him see the light). It’s more important that you’re able to see the light yourself.
It’s nearly impossible to move people in any directions other than their own, unless they really WANT to be moved in the first place. And currently it seems like both of you are trying to move each other in wrong directions?
Describe the problem in that way first? “We are both trying to move each other in directions opposite of our own”.
I’ll guess HE would have had a better chance in “selling the idea” to you if he had changed his strategy. So you can probably ask the question “What would HE need to do to make ME more interested in this opportunity?”
I’ll guess he would have been more successful in “selling the idea” to you if he had identified it as a possible Ponzi scheme (rather than let you find it out on your own), and showed you a realistic “risk/reward plan” for how this could work anyway?
If you can understand why he missed the target here, you’ll have a fair chance in finding solutions that may work.
Oz, if they want to make their forum private, here’s an easy solution…Just create a Facebook account called Zeek Rewards Problems. When people try to type Zeek in the Facebook search, they’ll see the “problems” page.
Copy and paste this article as a start and watch it take on a life of its own.
GoGoHub is a perfect example of Paul’s “15 years of rock solid buisness experience.” It was going to be bigger than Craig’s List and Google combined and unlike those two greedy giants GoGoHub was going to share the wealth with all the people who paid money to become part of the comp plan and who recruited others to do the same.
In their own words:
I’ve always wondered why people like Troy don’t care that almost every program Paul Burks has run has had at least one way to earn commissions without selling any product or service but simply through recruiting?
Best advice is from Skeptoid by Brian Dunning
Emergency Handbook: What to do when your friends love “woo”
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4187
GoGoHub = Wazzub with classifieds
Just got word: Zeekler, despite having been based in North Carolina and held auctions since March 2011, did not get an auction license (#9401) until March 2012.
Oh damn….another one bites the dust…
R. Allen Stanford gets 110 years for role in $7B swindle
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/brokerage/story/2012-06-14/r-allen-stanford-sentenced/55597082/1
Well…I can’t speak for anyone else, but I do understand hyper growth, and the problems that can be associated with that. The Banking system needed to be changed because the previous bank could not handle the volume.
Banking overseas is not a crime, and is done by thousands of reputable companies. Companies from overseas bank here also…nothing strange and unusual about that. Granted, I have had to wait at times for answers from customer service…but they have been very helpful, and very good at resolving issues.
I have been paid….weekly, and on time with no lost checks or handling problems.
I do recognize the right of this business to work out kinks and solve growth issues within it’s corporate structure without the world putting it’s 2 cents in….this is also normal procedure for all companies.
All in all, being a business owner, and dealing in many different situations, I feel that Zeek is definitely working out growing pains, and will for a time to come!
Whether you stick with them or not…well, that’s your call!
@Linda
That’s the official marketing line… but it wasn’t voluntarily changed, they were booted off. As I understand it they then tried to sign up with another bank who also decided the risk of being involved in Zeek Rewards was too great and shortly booted them off too.
As for not handling the volume, please – when did you ever hear about a bank not wanting to make money? They only pull the plug if something’s up, or if the risk is too great – as appears to be the case here behind the marketing spin.
Why is the risk of doing business with Zeek Rewards too great? You tell me.
No it isn’t but it’s certainly a red flag when you’ve been using being an American based company as a selling point. As far as MLM goes there’s no need for US-based companies to bank offshore and as far as history goes it’s universally seen as a warning sign.
When a company has to run offshore in fear of their funds being seized… they’re not usually on the legit side of things.
America has the largest economy in the world, you’re gunna tell me Zeek Rewards can’t find a bank there to handle its volume? Please.
Was this Paul’s idea for a ponzi scheme before Zeekler came along? Amazing that these people will be spending so much on ads that the company could just hand out $10 grand left & right!
Please tell me why a company that supposedly has been in business “14 years” and with “3 million customers” (their claims) is having so much trouble with “growing pains?”
They’re being run in such a manner that it would appear they’re all a bunch of totally incompetent morons. Auctions not being paid for 4 months or more, support tickets unanswered and ignored until they’re cancelled, phone calls & emails ignored, no help on the support forums, and not even an acknowledgement from staff when help is requested are all problems that affiliates are having lately.
If I ran my business that way, I’d have to shut the doors very soon.
@Joe
From the sounds of it GoGoHub was recruitment based meaning it was a pyramid scheme rather than a Ponzi. Matrix schemes that rely on new members purchasing (“upgrading”) some form of membership are pyramids and (usually) don’t have an investment component with compounded earnings and what not.
The matrix is fixed, you join/upgrade/buy a pack whatever, get x amount of people to do the same and earn a fixed commission. X in a 3×3 matrix is 39 people.
@Linda – The BS that Zeek keeps spewing about “being too big for their bank” is so transparent I am surprised a business owner like yourself can’t see right through it?
BB&T has a market cap of $23 billion and they can’t handle Zeek’s volume? I am sure Citi or Chase could if BB&T could not.
Also, the excuses on check processing is also BS. If Zeek decided to go paperless, why couldn’t they stay with BB&T? Wouldn’t that solve ALL of their problems with affiliates allegedly calling the bank 2000 times?
There are no checks deposited or written once Zeek goes paperless, so why would anyone call the bank?
Lastly, nothing prevents Zeek from using whatever third party credit card processor AND their current bank. The way merchant services work is you tell them what bank account to deposit your money into. They take their fees off the top.
Zeek can use any credit card provider and any bank. Tying the credit card issues together with the story that ‘they are growing too big for their bank’ is just bunk. Any business owner would see right through that.
More Zeek BS as told by an affiliate who was at this week’s Red Carpet Event:
First of all, that doesn’t match what Dawn said in the interview, and that also doesn’t make any sense because:
1. The above scenario would not result in the bank terminating Zeek’s back account and checks to bounce after June 1. If the above were true, Zeek would have left money in BB&T to cover remaining checks.
2. By the time Zeek went to bank #2, they hadn’t even resumed the commission payments nor check payments, so it is unlikely the bank would have booted Zeek just because of the initial conversation “we plan on processing X many transactions”.
3. Per my comment above, if Zeek goes paperless, the entire check/transaction volume goes away completely.
4. The above completely mischaracterizes how credit card transactions work. Your credit card processor usually deposits all monies from your credit card transactions once per day. So it’s not like every commission payment transaction is hitting their bank account as a transaction.
Further, any disputes are handled with credit card processor, not the bank. And as stated above, you can use any credit card processor and deposit money into any bank. If Zeek was using BB&T for credit card processing and its checking account, they could have easily just moved the credit card processing and kept the checking account.
Here are the top 5 US banks by market cap. BB&T, a $21B market cap company couldn’t handle Zeek’s volume, so they had to go overseas? Right…
1. Wells Fargo – $170B
2. JPMorgan Chase – $132B
3. Bank of America – $83B
4. Citigroup – $81B
5. U.S. Bancorp – $59B
I said BB&T was $23B market cap above because I Googled it and the article was from a couple months ago – stats above are as of today’s market close.
If you look at enterprise value, these banks are much larger…
JP Morgan $735.29B
Citi $647.6B
B if A $623.44B
gen3benz, it’s a moot point, whether it’s a $170B or $735B. The point that Jimmy is stating is that there are plenty of US banks that can handle Zeek Rewards.
Well, looks like they finally flipped the secrecy switch.
PrivateSecret location?According to Get Satisfaction this is how their “private communities” work:
Fastpass is tied into Zeek Rewards accounts so as as I understand it a regular Get Satisfaction account won’t be enough to view the new secret forums. Regular Get Satisfaction accounts will just be able to view the archived data (as long as it’s not deleted).
Just sign up as a free affiliate with a dummy account…
I understood his point, kinda went off on a tangent. People just look at market cap and say “Dimon screwed up, lets regulate!” When a $2 billion loss is pocket change.
I found this to be quite bizarre. Zeek Rewards put this quote on its facebook page:
That is an interesting way at looking at things. When I was in school, I was told that “the only wrong question is the one that is not asked.”
I read that above quote and immediately thought that being in Zeek is some kinda cult or like living in a communist country.
Stop asking questions, STFU and invest! We’re paying you aren’t we?!
That might as well be Zeek Rewards’ mission statement. Seriously what company tries to justify not answering questions by blaming the questions themselves?!
What’s worse is 159 Zeek Rewards affiliates actually ‘liked’ the quote /facepalm.
Asking the wrong questions is known as a type IV error, and usually requires DELIBERATE deception. Type III, answering the wrong questions, may be chalked up to honest mistake.
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4297
Clearly, their “wrong questions” aren’t the same as everybody else’s wrong questions.
This will be interesting… looks like Zeek just emailed all affiliates with their Get Satisfaction login credentials.
Probably over 80% of affiliates have no idea about the support forum. NOW that everyone is getting emailed about it, there will be a lot of affiliate eyeballs on the forum.
In other words, they *are* going to take that section private by giving everybody usernames and passwords, no more public view from now on.
Just like two other Ponzis… as PatrickPretty had already pointed out.
The login is the same as your Zeek Rewards back office login, they must have hit some automated integration button that sends an email out to all affiliates. Any one can sign up as a free affiliate (unlike some other Ponzi’s).
So they block the casual public but any “Zeek critic” can still login, and many who post on here critical of Zeek are affiliates getting their money out before it crashes.
If anything, the privacy settings will boost readership on sites that call out problems here, since the “public” can’t check for themselves.
Do you have to sign up under another affiliate to become a free one?
Yes, I think this is a bad idea for Zeek, since now ALL affiliates who care to visit the support forums will be able to read everything about all the problems affiliates are having and the lack of customer support from the company.
I’d like to think that responsible people would pull their money after reading through the forums, but I’m guessing greed will keep them hanging on until it crashes.
Does anyone have the web address for the forum? I am a Zeek affiliate, but can’t seem to find it in my backoffice.
A little research on Alex De Brantes, their Internet Marketing guy… Worked for ONE MONTH at BidBass before that place went out of business.
Former associate of Dawn Wright-Olivares in an outfit called SavageTraders, still online. Sells hand-made stuff out of Nepal.
Other than that, nothing is known about this guy. His LinkedIn profile doesn’t even link to Zeekler, though he claimed to have worked there since 2009. Did he take a month off for a side job?
Aha, Dawn is engaged to Alex, that’s how they’re related.
http://www.businessforhome.org/2012/03/dawn-wright-olivares-zeekrewards-coo-interview/
The interview is full of interesting goodies:
http://www.businessforhome.org/2012/03/dawn-wright-olivares-zeekrewards-coo-interview/
I guess they need to take their own advice, as their own BBB rating is F, and their own IT ain’t running too hot.
Zeek Rewards March 2012:
Zeek Rewards June 2012:
Says it all really.
@James A: Here is the link to the forum: https://getsatisfaction.com/zeeksupport/topics/
With the mass email to all affiliates of the new Get Satisfaction private support forum, activity has gone up. There were 34 new topics today vs. only 10 the previous day when it was public.
Also looks like Chrome + Norton is blocking Zeekrewards.com as “known fraudulent” web page, though it’s possible to dispute that and get it removed. Some have reported IE and Firefox also show the warning with Norton, but others said they did not get the warning.
From Zeek Support… more cultish behavior:
Time to run a massive campaign to bump up Holton Buggs – Organo Gold so Dawn gets dumped to #3.
Guys quick question:
Can you change your Zeek Rewards affiliate account name? Not the login name (eg. zeekler.com/blah) but the account holder’s officially registered name.
Yes, you can change your name and screen name as often as you like. The only two things you cannot change is your login (the subdomain for your replicated website and login to backoffice/getsatisfaction) and tax id.
Also note that with the ability to use eWallets, it is very easy to use a fake name or tax id. There is no verification of eWallet identity. You can have 10 affiliate accounts send payment to the same eWallet. For example, a US affiliate coordinating with dozens of affiliates he recruited in China can have them send all eWallet payments to one account and redistribute it using PayPal (or whatever).
Cheers Jimmy.
That would be Norton Safe Web. Within hours 4 guys showed up posting 5/5 reviews.
http://safeweb.norton.com/reviews?url=zeekrewards.com
MyWot users note that there seem to be some stuft ballot boxes going on a while back
http://www.mywot.com/en/forum/15486-scorecard-manipulation-attempt-going-on
And it may be happening again with Norton.
I posed the question about Zeek’s auction license (which we know the answer) on Troy Dooly’s website. He haven’t even approved the question yet.
Either he’s busy out partying at the Red Carpet event, or he’s ignoring me. 🙂 Actually, that’s the same thing. 😀
Is there a Zeek employee that is NOT also an affiliate? We already knowing about Dawn and Daryl Douglas. On ZeekSupport, the user Burt Gurney is labeled as an “employee” and also has a title “official rep”.
Looks like he’s an affiliate, too:
Employees would have insider info that the rest of the affiliates do not, such as current income vs. withdrawals. They could maximize their % reinvestment knowing the ponzi is going strong and they don’t need to start withdrawing, yet.
When they see affiliates getting concerned and starting to withdraw, they can either adjust their reinvestment strategy and/or get on the leadership calls and lecture the affiliates how they need to be in it for the long haul while they themselves start withdrawing (because calls to action like that only give you a temporary change in behavior).
Lots of conflicts of interest here…
Thanks to all the hard work and research by Oz @BehindMLM, PatrickPretty, kschang.hubpages.com, realscam.com, and the few brave souls here who have called out every inconsistency and deception from Zeek Rewards.
I will do my part to spread the word on the interwebs. It is time to reveal this Ponzi for what it is.
I hope my determination will galvanize others to take digital action.
You will see me e.v.e.r.y.w.h.e.r.e. I am Anonymous, Occupy, and Ponzi buster all in one. I find my own courage in your good works.
xoxo
MM
Hi Mitch. Good luck in spreading the word. But don’t bother with ZEEKrewards facebook. They will delete all negative post.
Good for you Mitch! Let’s get Oz’s research to all 50 State Attorney Generals. If only 3 or 4 of them do some digging, it’s enough to stir the pot.
View, like, +1, do what needs to be done:
Someone that recently joined Zeek called me today with a very unusual situation about her cc transaction made to Zeek. After going online to look at her cc transactions, she saw a charge for $10 and another Foreign Transaction Fee for .30 dated for June 12th
The description for the charge is Lucky Star Design, Misc./Specialty Retail/Fireworks, Trophies & Grave Stones.
Then after doing a bit of research I found this Luck Star Design: http://luckystardesigns.blogspot.com/. This is one of the statements posted to that blog from the owner “From what I understand, Visa approved the charges and put the wrong company name on the statements (lucky star designs & photography instead of Zeek)”.
Zeek had this same problem recently, but this time they didn’t bother to tell anyone. I would think it’s in their best interest to let affiliates know in order to avoid charge-backs.
Also, on 6/15 Zeek posted on their news site that “All available eWallets and credit cards will be allowed for payment of the past due months. All active affiliates will have 30 days to pay their past due subscription payments in full with full continuity of service. NXPay is off the list with no explanation.
http://zeekrewardsnews.com/2012/06/sub-renewals-are-a-go/
Everyone rushed to pay the past due amounts, but cc’s did not work. The majority of people that I know kept getting a 500 error message.
As you know, you can set money aside to pay your subscription, but as individuals went to pay from that, it took all the money they had set aside and only applied it to one payment, still leaving affiliates behind on subs.
Then on June 16, Zeek makes another post on their site that they are aware of it and are working on it. They have never bothered to come back to let their affiliates know if the problem has been fixed or if they are still working on it. I’ve never seen a site with never ending glitches. Now everyone is waiting on some type news as usual.
http://zeekrewardsnews.com/2012/06/set-aside-funds-glitch-please-stand-by/
The glitches are a concern, but these cc charges labeled to another company are more of a concern that Zeek has yet to mention. A lot of us don’t understand why Zeek’s cc’s transaction keep getting wrongly labeled. And what’s with all the secrets?
Oz, based on your experience, knowledge and research abilities, can you chime in on this to maybe see what happened and try to find out what is really going on?
Lastly, did you ever hear from Troy Dooley?
I have never heard of this company before the last couple weeks, but undoubtedly their credit card charges on members credit/debit statements are listing “lucky star design 8883609”.
This has caused my company, Lucky Star Designs and Photography much aggravation and wasted time by fielding calls and emails from people wanting their accounts credited since they don’t recognize doing business with my company (which makes sense, since they did NOT do business with my company and I did NOT charge their account).
I’ve had to write a blog post about it (which only about 2/3 of the people read before calling me). I am currently on hold with Zeek trying to find out what can be done because I am a sole proprietorship and cannot handle this kind of call volume.
I am very upset and angry and not sure how my company’s name got tied up with this organization and their membership fee charges.
@Miranda
Sorry to hear that. I read on your blog post:
As I understand it Zeek Rewards affiliates are seeing your company name pop up on their statements? Has anyone other than Zeek Rewards affiliates called you? Trying to work out if this is a national issue or localised to Zeek Rewards (which would in itself by highly suspicious).
They had credit card statements reading ‘zonalibre1’ the other month, which is a known tax haven in Panama – now they are reportedly using a CC processor out of Korea. Costa Rica only raises more questions… primarily because it’s also a known tax-haven and I haven’t seen Zeek Rewards mention the country to date.
Being tied into fraud regarding the illegitimise use of your company name only adds to the suspicious drama surrounding Zeek Rewards of late. If you don’t mind me asking, you don’t use CC services out of Korea do you?
This, also from your blog post, raises concerns about the banking channels Zeek Rewards are using. Costa Rica, holding companies?? No wonder they’re being so secretive about things. Is this what their compliance lawyers have been advising them on these last few months?
Looking at the bigger picture, first zonalibre1 in Panama and now Luckystay in Costa Rica – how many legit companies have “mislabeled” charges occurring frequently?
FYI, Liberty Reserve, a payment processor, is out of Costa Rica.
There were also reports that Zeek is telling people to accept charges out of South Korea, I think it’s in one of those ZeekRewardNews updates
Even still, they handle payment for how many companies and have been around for how long now? Why would they be making mistakes like this (and I understand it, this is CC related, not e-wallet (?))
I only recently heard of the Zeek connection. 6 months ago when it first happened, the statements showed my company’s name and Costa Rica in the detail of the line item.
I am not 100% sure the current charges are out of Costa Rica now, as the only thing showing on the account detail of the charges is “lucky star design 8883609”. But about a dozen people have told me that they ARE in fact Zeek members and the amounts were valid, but mislabeled.
Regardless of the validness of the charges, the fact it’s being charged under my company’s name is not valid and has caused me a lot of headache. If I cannot get this to stop, I am considering legal action myself.
Oh and no, I don’t use CC processing out of any other country than the United States. All my cc processing has went through Square.
Hmm in that case maybe it does have to do with the e-wallet processors. Unless your CC processing has nothing to do with whoever Zeek Rewards are using other then them (allegedly mistakenly) using your company name.
The woman that contacted me didn’t use an e-wallet processor. She used a credit card and immediately did a charge back since the transaction was not familiar.
She didn’t understand how making a payment to Zeek ended up with another company’s name on it. Honestly, I don’t understand it either.
If Zeek is not charging credit card themselves, but is instead sending the member and credit card info to some OTHER companies to be processed and credited stuff into eWallet, then there *could* be some screwup in the info dump.
Given that previously they admitted to “we had to work out some credit card API issues with Hong Kong” this is likely the explanation.
The eWallet thing may be a red herring.
@K. Change
Wouldn’t that pose an even bigger problem for Zeek with charge backs?
Seems that they would have at least told the affiliates about the issue to avoid charge backs, just like they did with the other mislabeling problem.
Zeek has a 2-3 week drag period (2 weeks best case, 3 weeks worst case if you request a withdrawal past the weekly deadline). At least with sending paper checks, if you were in the US you usually received them a day or two after they mailed the checks.
For a stretch you could always depend on a check arriving on Mon or Tue after the drag period.
Now with eWallets it’s totally hit or miss. First there was the whole clawback process. Now they have all sorts of delays, first just NxPay where they had to wait for money to clear – but it looks like STP and AlertPay withdrawals haven’t gone out yet for this period (usually I’d have received my weekly check by now in the mail).
What’s worse, it takes 10 days for STP to process the check withdrawal – a little faster if you want to give them all of your banking information and send in documents to be verified. So you have (2-3 weeks drag period) + (time it takes for Zeek to manually issue electronic eWallet payment) + (time to withdraw from eWallet).
There’s also always the risk something happens to the eWallet provider and your money goes poof. The above process is a long time to wait for just 1 week’s payment.
@Miranda, So sorry for your problems, and I hope it gets resolved soon. I wonder why Zeek would use your name?
Zeek is on the news in Lexington, NC and The North Carolina Attorney General’s office has gotten complaints:
http://www.digtriad.com/news/article/232816/57/Latest-Bidding-Craze-Based-In-Lexington
@Kasey
So part of a greater plan to completely move all financials offshore? Could be it I suppose – doubt we’ll ever get an official answer anytime soon.
Is it just me or has Zeek Rewards FaceBook page joined their customer support forum in being “members only”?
Just a hint to Troy, Dawn or any other ZR representatives, the best way to prove you have nothing to hide is not to hide anything.
Still public for me @ /zeekrewardsnews
Thanks Oz. I’ve tried it from two different browsers and even from a proxy each time recieving only a request to login to FaceBook. I am not a FaceBook member, perhaps that’s the issue.
But thank you for the reply and as always, you rock.
Overheard at the bar today: apparently Zeek is no longer taking personal checks and requires a cashier’s check for transactions.
I assume that it’s to muddy the paper trail… you can easily find out which bank your personal check was deposited into. Not so much with a cashier’s check.
After spending about 2 hours on hold yesterday and receiving two call-backs from call-center managers, I was told that Zeek was aware of the issue (Lucky Star Designs name being used on Zeek credit card charges) and they were working to fix it and one of their upper level executives would be calling me today to discuss it. We’ll see.
Funny enough, I haven’t had another call since then and the hits on my website about it have reduced significantly.
Zeek stopped taking personal or business checks as of June 6. They only take cashier’s checks or money orders by mail, otherwise you must use an eWallet.
You can stop a personal or business check. You can’t stop a money order or cashier’s check, or eWallet transaction.
Credit card operates like this:
The merchant takes your card info, plus the merchant ID, and talks to the credit card processor’s computer (either through the phone or through internet)
The processor spits back a reply: approved with transaction ID, or denied.
It is very possible that Zeek is not sending CC requests one at a time, but instead, is sending a batch, (100?) at a time. And somewhere during the transmission, the merchant ID got munged, but they were able to trace it back to Zeek because it was Zeek that sent the batch of transactions.
Yes, it’s causing them a huge number of chargebacks if the merchant ID don’t match up. Either they have a very bad computer issue (corrupting memory), or they just can’t program worth ****.
I’m merely speculating, as I know the generalities, but I’ve never programmed CC API.
The entire “eWallets only” approach is a terrible business decision. AlertPay has all sorts of problems, SolidTrustPay takes 10 days in addition to the 2-3 week drag, and if there’s a problem with a withdrawal request such as SSN doesn’t match, they cancel the withdrawal (and you have to resubmit). Direct deposit is only a few days faster and costs $40 per transaction.
SolidTrustPay is won’t do business in some states (I should setup an eWallet => PayPal conversion service for a 5% fee). NXPay is still a disaster with most people in the US unable to get money to their bank accounts.
The entire “affiliates are dumb who forgot their password” answer from Zeek corporate blames the affiliate when it was the Zeek/NXPay integration that screwed up. The original username NXPay gave me doesn’t work, and yes, I followed the PDF instructions from Zeek exactly.
A request for a new password from NXPay hasn’t been received yet (the web page says ‘an email has been sent’ but it’s been hours now).
I was perfectly happy with checks. They just work… they arrive in 1-2 days despite the 2-3 week drag, and I can deposit them in any bank account.
What happens when one of these eWallets shuts down? It happens quite frequently in that industry.
@K. Chang
Yes, I do understand how CC’s work. I’ve been using them for years and never once had one mislabeled.
I do understand what you’re saying about processing in batches. But this has happened twice…so maybe it is a programming issue. We’ll probably never know what happened.
@Vicky — actually, three times. There’s mention of South Korea, ZoneLibre1, and now, Star Design. There may have been more that we haven’t seen.
(And it was not meant as condescending, as I find it, as a general rule, to better to over-explain than to assume)
North Carolina Attorney General’s office refutes claim that they declared Zeek to be legal. Video was removed by the station.
http://www.patrickpretty.com/2012/06/20/bulletin-north-carolina-attorney-generals-office-refutes-suggestion-that-zeek-has-been-deemed-legal-we-do-have-concerns-agency-says-tv-station-removes-video-zeek-was-linking-to-on-its-bl/
As far as the Lucky Star Design error, it’s entirely possible that Paul and Dawn might be hitting up business associates with bonafide cc merchant accounts to run there business through in exchange for a percentage.
@K Chang
Oh yea, I forgot about Korea…Ha!
Oh yippy, Zeek has a/some new qualifier(s) in the works that the faithful affiliates will have to jump over or through to perpetuate the illusion of “We are legal” and to stay qualified for their hard earned RPP share.
My question is, will they institute these new qualifiers before they are caught up on paying their faithful? Before they complete the in-the-rears orders yet to be delivered by Zeekler? Before they get their 3 card Monte snafu sorted out with their 3rd party eWallets?
Dooly just released glowing accolades of all the traffic being driven to Zeekler.com and therein vaguely alluded to the possibility that the penny auction arm could sustain the illusion that it’s the product sales financing the affiliates.
You can catch it all on Troy’s site or linked in at ZeekRewards News.
None of these “qualifiers” changes their business model, and thus, they’ll still pass the Howey test (which means they are marketing an unregistered security, and thus, committing fraud by telling everybody they are NOT investment).
Hello to all.
Could someone please clarify the term “new qualifiers” ? Does this pertain to new requirements for earning as an affiliate ?
Thanks
@Qmark
Till the qualifiers are made public, no idea.
@Oz
Thanks Oz.
Dooly strongly suggested though that the new qualifiers were to curb the whole ‘passive income’ thing… inadvertently admitting that as it stands Zeek Rewards is quite readily able to be set up as a passive investment delivering a 90 day rolling ROI.
Mind you, Zeek first announced these qualifiers back in March when they got rid of the 5cc…
Someone gave me a secret preview of the qualifiers…
* upcoming “compliance manual” (date TBD)
* NEVER EVER refer to ZR as “passive income”.
* RPP is “Retail POINTS Pool”. NEVER say “profit”.
* NEVER EVER refer to ZR as a business opportunity. It is an INCOME opportunity
Don’t ask where it came from. Apparently they switched venues this year… It’s at the place that’s NOT Holiday Inn.
So basically more “don’t call it this and that”, without actually changing anything.
Is this really how shallow MLM compliance is these days?
MLM company owner: But we’re operating a Ponzi scheme Bob…
Compliance layer: No we’re not. Just don’t call it a Ponzi scheme. Problem solved…
MLM company owner: But tha-
Compliance lawyer: I SAID PROBLEM SOLVED. Now that’ll be eleventy gajillion in MLM compliance fees please… oh and more if you want to use my name on all your marketing materials too.
There’s shallow compliance (use the right words), then there’s deep compliance (business model change).
Zamzuu/YTBI did a deep compliance… after it got sued by Jerry Brown (when he was still AG).
It appears that ZR is going for shallow compliance.
Troy made an interesting comment in relation to the new qualifiers. He did a little cartoonish caricature of a passive income fan threatening to sue ZR over the changes and then broke into a passable imitation of Dawn telling a certain type of affiliate to get the heck out of the program.
The following is pure, utter and abject speculation on my part but fun fact: Even though Andy Bowdoin has admitted his guilt in the Ad Surf Daily case and has been remanded to custody pending his sentence two of ASD’s most faithful promoters are still pressing forward trying to overturn the forfeiture in rem which shuttered the program.
One of them is a former attorney who lost his license to practice law and the other is his good friend and benefactor. Both are now high VIP point total affiliates of Zeek Rewards. The former attorney (who can now only file pro se) is Dwight Owen Schweitzer and his friend is Todd Disner.
Now there is absolutely no evidence available at this moment that this dynamic duo has lodged any sort of legal threat against ZR but when I think of the tax dollars being squandered defending against their ASD related complaint it pains me. But it would amuse me to no end if Paul, Dawn and ZR were made to feel my pain.
I know each red carpet event there’s somewhat of a round table meeting event between the top earners (I have photo evidence)… maybe the legal threats Troy hinted at are what has made Zeek hold off on these qualifiers.
Makes sense when you consider they were first announced way back in March and their introduction has been continously postponed repeatedly since.
Heard a rumor that Zeekler is gonna go into regular auction instead of do only penny auctions. Allegedly this was relayed by Dawn herself at the latest Red Carpet.
Guess penny auctions aren’t as profitable as they continue to make out… not when you have a >100% liability payable on each bid you sell anyway.
The fat cat affiliates at the top want their money, damn the qualifiers.
Same issue with Zeek unofficially endorsing the “buy your fake retail customers from this non-affiliated Zeek third party”, namely, the ones that who benefit the most are the fat cats at the top who need fake customers to keep the points growing.
If Zeek really wanted to do away with the fake customer problem, they would do something like:
– allow 100 points to be given away on new account creation
– allow 200 points to be given away on email confirmation
– allow 700 points to be given away after first bid
This won’t prevent the fake customer economy but it would make it more difficult to just take thousands of names off an opt-in list and assigning a Christian first name and a 3 letter digit to each.
NxPay withdrawals still disabled.
STP having issues in the US, see this thread: http://solidtrust.websitetoolbox.com/post/USA-Members-Meeting-Place-5868510?trail=15
AlertPay is the least desirable of the group and have had their share of problems (losing their credit card processing twice last year) and connected to many scams.
So why did Zeek go “100% paperless” again? I miss my paper checks. Paper checks just work. Payroll organizations generate hundreds of thousands of paper checks automatically and accurately every week. Is Zeek’s profit margin so thin they can’t afford to pay by paper check and the small cost to outsource it?
More Zeek affiliate frustration bubbling up with inability to withdraw using NxPay, STP not active in a few states, and AP just sucking in general.
From an STP forum addressing STP check withdrawal delays, that is after Zeek has paid to your STP account:
On Zeek & NxPay:
Does anyone else think Zeek’s answer about lack of “recyclable cash” available with NxPay due to the tremendous demand of withdrawals form NxPay is suspicious?
Consider that all affiliates have to request a withdrawal and wait 2-3 weeks until Zeek issues payment. Once an affiliate makes a withdrawal request, with the exception of the “clawback” period which is over now, you cannot change the method of withdrawal.
If you selected NxPay as your withdrawal method, that is “locked in” and unchangeable.
That means Zeek knows 2-3 weeks in advance what the outbound cash commitment will be for any eWallet.
Of course, Zeek has to maintain an operating balance with each eWallet and probably rely on some of the “recyclable cashflow” from new deposits so they can pay from funds stored in their eWalletaccounts, but the point here is wouldn’t Zeek be able to forecast this with a 2-3 week time?
If you know a bank wire will take 5 days to clear, don’t you wire money more than 5 days in advance?
@Mitch McDeere
I have some soundtracks for you, the 4th June leadership call in Zeek.
Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI-9qufScu4
Audio can be found here:
http://zeekrewardsnews.com/2012/06/hit-6-and-other-zeek-101-suggested-behaviors/
My first reaction was “Very disturbing”, and that impression lasted for more than a week. I was actually in shock the first 3 days after I had listened to the call. 🙂
You’ll find some interesting stuff around 19:00 into the video (17:20 into the audio), where Dawn is using herself as an example.
The sound quality is rather poor, but that’s a part of the point. She sounds drunk in parts of the soundtrack. So if you’re looking for soundtracks to a video “MLM leader of the year”, you will probably find some interesting stuff in the links.
Saw this on the Zeek support site. Someone posted here that Zeek is no longer allowing affiliates to open support tickets or call in, at least those links in the back office are all redirecting to the Get Satisfaction forum.
I just recently signed up and had the same problem with the cc charge coming up Luckystars. Since I didn’t reconize the charge I put a fraud claim against it.
I have not to date invested any monies in Zeekrewards, but am about to invest 10,000.00 of my hard earned money. Becoming real uncomfortable with the situation.
A good friend has nothing but great things to say and he has been involed for about 8 months. Now pulling 12,500.00 a month out of his account. Has anyone not been payed or have any advice before I make this transaction?
What did Zeek affiliates expect when Zeek announced it was moving its banking offshore, no longer sending checks in order to go “paperless”, and using third-party eWallets attached to many known Ponzi’s and other scams?
1. On the withdrawal side, NxPay withdrawals are not possible.
2. SolidTrustPay taking over 21 days to send checks in addition to Zeek Rewards 2-3 week drag period and 1-week payment delay, for a net delay of 7+ weeks to withdraw via STP.
3. For the monthly Zeek affiliate subscriptions ($10/silver, $50/gold, $99/diamond), there are a lot of peculiarities being reported. Charges keep coming from different merchants outside the US and affiliates are being charged forex and cash advance fees (may vary depending on the bank).
This looks like the same technique used by many online gambling sites and also which resulted in several of them going to jail or getting indicted (jail time pending court cases).
From ZeekSupport affiliate-only forum:
4. On the deposit side, Payza (formerly AlertPay) is based in Russia and some banks have rejected charges through Payza. For those that successfully deposit via Payza, excessive fees are the norm:
Now revisit all the spin from Zeek corporate and affiliates on how wonderful the news is that they are moving to a larger international bank that handle their business, because obviously BB&T with a $21B market cap couldn’t handle Zeek’s tremendous growth (sarcasm).
Most affiliates that have been in Zeek for a while will eventually stumble and settle on an E wallet however slow, expensive and unreliable it will be.
But goodluck to the affiliates recruiting the next generation to this money game that will have unforseen surprises and unexpected charges just to pay their early monthly member renewals. Just another nail in the coffin for zeek rewards.
Go ZEEKLER.
Looks like Zeek is routing their charges through some sort of a payment processor on Cyprus. Getting reports that they’re processing payments through “Lamda EC , and INTERNET SHOP-PAYGATE” (sic)
And on the support forum a guy labelled “employee” named Hassan Aman confirmed it’s from Zeek.
If they keep doing this doesn’t this count as money laundering, charging stuff through someone else’s name?
I especially enjoy the comment about how are they processing and all looks a little fishy with the different vendor names etc. It is what it is. But this poor soul is waiting for zeek support to explain and hold his hand and tell him everything will be just fine.
I was getting a little bored with zeekler but this is a little comical you have to admit. Where are all the zeek reward defenders lately this is getting to one sided. Oh i know they are wondering how to get funds in and out of this game in the least damaging way.
@Observer — probably their uplines told them to “avoid” sites full of “negativity”, such as this one. 😀
Here’s my little explanation on how doing such a thing will actually HURT you, not help you.
http://kschang.hubpages.com/hub/Danger-of-Seeking-Positivity-and-Ignoring-Negativity
Zeekler affiliates knowing or unknowing are being put in total isolation. First a penny auction that no actual paying customers participate in.
Web of Trust and craiglist preventing their accesive, useless fraud cover up spam advertising campaign.
The lost of their company customer co-op-fictional anyways-but provided for covenience by zeek for zeek.
Investment compound situation to whatever compliance lingo they try to hide behind now and dont entice the public or else tatics.
The whole management brass -our lawyers- type mentality and dont try to dig to deep into issues and concerns that keep arising.Credit cards and north american banks not doing business transactions or sending cheques.
Wow if that doesnt make you consider opting out you might have irrational optimism.
What government entity covers international money laundering. Does everyone think top zeek management is really going through all this trouble with e wallets or just a little more time to set up and try to spread and hide as much as possible and more difficult to trace for what they must now know is eventually awaiting them.
Hey Poorboy. How about you just send me your 10K. That way you won’t spend any time wondering if you were going to get it back. Just a thought.
Forget about all the legal, banking, and customer support issues for the moment.
Just think about sustainability. If you put in your $10k, how long will it take you to build up our balance to make the same as your good friend? Say at least 8 months or longer if you can’t recruit as many people as he has recruited. So in the 8+ months it takes you to grow your balance, how large will the balance of your friend be, and his upline, and his upline’s upline?
By the time you are pulling in $12,500 a month do you think it is sustainable if your good friend is now pulling in $50k a month? His upline pulling in $500k? His upline’s upline pulling in $5 million a month? Multiple this by thousands of other people…
As you can see, if you take a macro view of the growth over time you will see that Zeek Rewards is not only very-very-very-likely a Ponzi, but more importantly it is completely unsustainable regardless of how profitable the retail auction is or could become (and all indications are that retail auction revenue without matching affiliate points would be next to zero).
Yes, your friend is making money. His upline is making money. The question is will YOU make money or will you be the one at the base of the pyramid when the Ponzi collapses?
Troy Dooly did another update about Zeek rewards:
http://mlmhelpdesk.com/troy-dooly-comes-clean-on-his-position-with-unique-bid-auction-companies-zeek-rewards-bidify-and-dubli/
It’s clear that Zeek still has some serious banking and credit card issues.
Why in the heck won’t Troy Dooly address the issues that folks are asking on his site about Zeeks banking problems. Lot’s of people are certainly asking about it, but he just continues to dance.
Affiliates could care less about his excuses for Zeek. These people want to know, why their cc’s are mislabeled continuously, why they can’t get cc’s processed, what happened to NXPay…if and when it’s coming back, why they’re not being paid in a timely manner, why they have foreign transaction fees on their statements, why Zeek cannot do an ACH directly from their banks and forcing affiliates to use dorky questionable e-wallet systems, like Payza and STP…the list goes on.
Troy continues to say that Zeek is legal until found guilty. With the big mess Zeek have on their hands, something is definitively fishy and Troy won’t touch it. Yes, his video was heartfelt, but he just doesn’t get it.
Paul Burks also made a post on the Zeek Rewards news site:
http://zeekrewardsnews.com/2012/06/15-years-and-counting/
I beg to differ with him, because they are running Zeek like a bunch of bumbling idiots. And I don’t know if they are deliberately trying to hurt their affiliates, but it sure looks like it with so much secrecy and out right lies.
I know for a fact that a lot of the above comments are true, because a lot of it is happening in my down-line. Someone in my down-line has been waiting 18 days for her money to show up in her bank from STP after waiting 2 weeks to get it from Zeek, lots of folks with mislabeled cc transactions. I could go on, but I’ll stop there.
Hmmm…wonder does Dawn and the gang have to wait that long on their commission.
I do respect Troy. But he really needs to face head on what people are asking of him and give these people some answers…since he seems to have some inside info about Zeek or is the spokesperson for Zeek or whatever.
As kschang has posted on RealScam.com and also replied on Troy’s blog, Troy is asking the wrong question (on purpose?). His epic video that he posted today to claim neutrality only focused on the “unique bid auctions” i.e. penny auctions. Whether penny auctions are legal or a form of lottery is the least of affiliates’ worries. Affiliates are more concerned about:
– Is this an illegal, unregistered investment?
– Is this a Ponzi scheme, where the real retail revenue is insignificant compared to the affiliate revenue, where you have affiliates “paying themselves” in Ponzi embellished through virtual points
There are some very basic, fundamental changes Zeek could made that any amateur business person would do, such as require that Zeekler customer accounts at least go through email verification to prevent the number of fake accounts.
It also seems that while Troy addressed some concerns from Patrick Pretty and admins at RealScam.com, the real impetus for the “hey, I’m neutral, I have no dog in this fight” 18-min video was the perceived risk that ANMP may have if it is viewed as endorsing Zeek and Zeek turns out to be a Ponzi similar to AdSurfDaily. Now those who lost money into the Ponzi would go after not only Zeek corporate and the top distributors, but their top cheerleaders as well. If there wasn’t the perceived risk of civil liability in the event Zeek is an illegal Ponzi, I don’t think Troy would have made an 18-min epic reset-your-expectations video just for Patrick Pretty and RealScam.com (no offense, you guys do great work!).
Another idea to consider – when was the last time Patrick Pretty, RealScam.com, Oz here at BehindMLM, and kschnag have every triangulated (or is it rectangulated?) on a bizop MLM program as being a Ponzi and have been wrong? Or put another way, what is the probability that these 4 respected analysts could be wrong?
Mitch, thanks for the compliment, but I’ve only been at this for 2-3 years (mostly tracking TVI Express). Oz and Patrick and RealScam community have been at it far longer than I am.
I would not consider myself an authority. Therefore I would not want anyone to cite me as an authority. Citing authority is very often a fallacy, and used by the other side (such as citing Troy Dooly as the authority).
It is important to check the reasoning BEHIND the position/premise. And we’ve been doing that. Let’s not play THEIR game, i.e. “my authority is bigger than yours”.
@Mitch McDeere
I get where you’re coming from and agree with you whole heartedly. But there are LOTS of comments on Troy’s site where people are asking questions about banking issues, late payments, e-wallets, etc. I think he know the answers, but he ain’t touching it.
P**s poor execution on Zeek’s part doesn’t help in addition to the secrecy issues highlighted in this article, and of course, the flawed business model itself.
The IT, customer support, banking issues, etc. can’t all be blamed on growth when basic problems like this creep up. It probably is infuriating for these affiliates when tickets go unanswered for months.
Meanwhile, every one else is getting paid and making money (unless you are in Montana or one of the 6 “OFAC sanctioned” countries).
From Dawn’s explanation of eWallets to the newbies on today’s training call, Zeek views NxPay and eWallets not as a mechanism that Zeek funds to make payouts (like a checking account), but a pool that has a fixed amount of money based on incoming deposits.
In other words, Zeek is paying out of the eWallets only based on inbound funds from members and not funding it with their bank accounts, unless I misinterpreted what she said.
Training call at: zeekrewards.com/CC/zTrainingCalll20120625.mp3
Okay… so why is Zeek using eWallets again in lieu of a checking account if they cannot or refuse to fund the eWallet from Zeek’s bank accounts? Woah Nellie!!
Wtf?
So NXPay payouts are funded solely by deposited affiliate money and completely bypass the penny auction / Zeek Rewards businesses altogether?
Come on… that’s straight up affiliate monetary deposits being used to pay affiliates!
(can retail customers use NXPay to purchase retail bids??)
You can only buy retail bids with credit card, AlertPay, or SolidTrustPay.
Also remember that Zeek has over 2 weeks advance notice of what the outbound cash commitment will be for any withdrawal method because you have to select your withdrawal amount and method 2+ weeks in advance of Zeek processing it.
So any cash flow imbalance in normal business would be rectified by transferring money into the accounts needed to satisfy the withdraw.
Is the reason why Zeek is slow paying using all banking methods, and why NxPay inbound is allowed only, is that instead of transferring money from their bank account to the eWallets to fund payouts, they instead wait for affiliate money to fill up before they issue payouts?
So after enabling NXPay for what, a week (?) they obviously exhausted their funds because the money going out is way more than money coming in from affiliates – at least as far as NXPay is concerned.
If affiliates have to fund their NXPay payments from their money, why are Zeek Rewards just waiting for deposits from affiliates to pay out (and then subsequently removing NXPay as an option when withdrawal requests quite obviously exceeded money coming in from affiliates)???
No wonder they got rid of checks and pushed so hard for affiliates to sign up for e-wallets… they want to maximise the money coming in via e-wallets because for whatever reason they’re not funding them with Zeekler money!
So I guess that means as predicted, Zeekler is in effect just generating peanuts. Why pay fees to handle the money yourselves (withdrawing from e-wallets into Zeek Rewards, keeping up the Zeekler revenue charade and then depositing back into the e-wallets), when you can just take in affiliate money, make up a payout percentage and then pay out affiliates with the exact same money they just deposited.
I’m in the middle of another writeup at the moment but I think this might need one of its own. I’ll sit down and listen to the call but that excerpt alone is pretty much confirming that ZR won’t pay out unless affiliates deposit money. At least as far as NXPay was concerned. I wonder if they use STP and AP in the same manner…
Maintain a 2 week or whatever lead time on affiliate cashouts and just top up the account as required every week with actual Rex Venture Group money when the affiliate deposits don’t cover the requested payouts… meanwhile you pocket the rest.
Thank you Jimmy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcuU7M7B7Us&feature=youtu.be
That’s tonight’s leadership call. Skip to about the 4 minute mark for more confirmation. Dawn admits that this situation isn’t exclusive to nxPay but since so many purchases have been made through the other eWallets that they have cash to pay out with.
Affiliates aren’t putting up with the “just stay positive and STFU” responses. The worm is turning…
So I just watched Troy’s 18 minute video. The title was “Troy Dooly Comes Clean on His Position on Unique Bid Auction Companies Zeek Rewards, Bidify, and Dubli”
GlimDropper Writes to Troy that “it takes a big man to admit a mistake,” another writes, “doing the right thing is never easy,” And then there are numerous comments of praise and sentiment. I felt like I was singing kumbaya around a campfire of Yogi Berras except for the consistent torch of logical reasoning KChang arrives and says, okaaaay, how about the Howey Test and the Retail Customers!!??
I am still scratching my head after listening to that video and reading the comments. I like and respect Troy Dooly, I really do. But that video’s main purpose to me seemed to be a defense to the idea of a lawsuit against the ANMP, and an articulation of his position regarding unique bid auction MLM and the MLM community in general.
I missed the “coming clean” part.
So the skeptics have to keep repeating: Howey Test? Retail Customers ? over and over. Is this really happening. I think I’m going to have a rational break down. LOL
^^ +1 what MB said above. My thinking exactly and also want to echo kschang cutting right to the meat the of the issues (and yes, I’ve read his hubs and enjoyed them, even the obscure ones).
I’ve kinda given up for now pointing out things like Kasey did on MLM Helpdesk. Typically you get a reply stating ‘thanks for bringing up some great points, I’ll ask ZR for an answer” and then nothing happens.
Not a lot can be said that hasn’t already been discussed here with that NDA in place.
I had to watch a few videos and listen to quite a fair bit of the Aces Radio Live radio shows to get the exact original quote regarding there being no NDA that I published yesterday. In doing so I realised just how much had been promised over the past few months (videos of the red carpet events, video and radio interviews with Paul Burks, Q&A sessions etc. etc.) and just how little of this has actually been delivered content wise.
I am also increasingly weary of the “well I don’t understand this, I don’t understand that” excuse. How do you wind up being credited as an official Zeek Rewards “training consultant” if you don’t understand the basics of penny auctions, the business model, compensation plan or being able to dissect and follow where commission money is coming from.
Honestly…
Meanwhile Dooly credits himself with presenting a “more balanced” viewpoint for the affiliates in the face of (unwarranted) “criticism from the critics”. How do you do that if you’re continually claiming to have not understand key tenents of the business that are fundamental to true objective analysis?
(anyway that’s enough offtopic banter from me, back to discussing Zeek Rewards).
I do want to give Troy credit for admitting that his coverage of ZR was straying into the territory of being an advocate for ZR and it’s ownership rather than simply being an advocate for the affiliates. That’s what I thanked him for.
I believe Troy is still making a mistake in not being more critical of the program and I also believe we wont have to wait too long for him to admit that. With what Jimmy helped to expose here tonight anyone who’s been paying attention to these sort of programs in the past can clearly see that ZR isn’t long for the world.
My remaining fear is that Bidify and the other Zeek clones will follow pattern and hire Troy’s friends for “compliance training” and the cycle will repeat anew.
And I hope Troy proves me wrong on that.
In effect the three e-wallets are potentially musical chairs of credit. Shut one off for a week or two, let the pool fill with affiliate deposits, then turn it back on for payouts.
The e-wallet companies also accumulates interest during the holdout.
@MB — and I called out Mr. Dooly on that too, except he doesn’t see it as a “defense”.
I think he’s “in the forest and can’t see the trees”.
Dawn has encouraged affiliates to set up all e-wallets
If you read thrugh the comments there, you will see lots of readers thinking he’s doing a great job. And he does, we just have some different audience (his audience is a little older, and want positive MLM-news).
We experience the same type of critique here, when some of his readers visits this blog. It sounds like “I thought this was an MLM-blog, but you aren’t positive at all!”.
It’s probably better to accept the differences than to try to change something. For me, it seems like a worst case scenario if he actually makes such changes, and then starts to post comments here about “Well, now I have made the changes, making my blog become more acceptable for your audience. Now it’s up to you, make your blog become more acceptable for my audience.” 🙂
What’s been under-reported is that Zeek is still 2 months behind in processing monthly commissions via credit card.
Zeek has processed some of them under random business names, but it’s worth asking why did their credit card processors dump them? These are for monthly subscriptions, not retail bids for the penny auction nor the initial investment.
Imagine any other online business that would switch banks AND lose their credit card processor at the same time. Rule #1 in an online business is you don’t turn off the cash register, i.e. credit card processing.
Then Zeek ventured off into crazy town with third party agreements with other merchants to process transactions on customer’s behalf… this is probably fraud but not big enough for regulators to do anything about it as affiliates did not give xyz random company permission to charge their credit card, only Zeek.
This is why the major gambling establishments are getting indicted for banking fraud, not for running a gambling operation.
I read all the comments here. As a former business owner I completely agree. The entire explanation about banks being too small etc, is pure bunk, especially in an era where many transactions are electronic.
As for Dawn, ask yourself this…Alex is her about-to-be hubbie and he handles marketing. Some of her children work in IT. And you wonder why they are experiencing problems?
The latest: I have a check that was supposed to go to my e-wallet on Monday, 6/25. Seems the 6/25 batch hasn’t yet been processed so I’m still waiting to be paid as many others are.
Reminds of a month or two ago, when Zeek claimed they had to delay payments because they had run out of checks. I am not kidding. What company runs out of checks? Either the COO should be fired or run out of town for being stupid. You can’t even make this stuff up!
The problems with Zeek are almost too many to mention. There is obviously a clear lack of communication with members and usually only after the fact.
The entire e-wallet thing has been a disaster; there is no customer support to speak of. Fill out a ticket and never hear back is pretty much how affiliate services could be labeled. I too had a friend who purchased from the auction, only to not get any instructions on how to pay and then obtain the item!
I agree about the attitude Dawn has taken. She plays the blame game daily, instead of acting like a real exec and taking responsibility for leading and resolving problems. Were she in a multi-national company she would be fired.
Any transparency has evaporated and their constant blame-the-affiliates, e-wallet providers, banks, etc. should fall on deaf ears (as you all have noted). It simply does not make sense. This woman has more explanations that Bernie Madoff.
I also worry about the small army of lemmings (compliance officers) that Zeek has recruited from zealots to “ensure compliance.” A noble effort, but shouldn’t these idiots start at headquarters? There is no better compliance than ensuring your affiliates get their bids and get paid and those two things from the comments here and from my own experience don’t appear to be occurring.
Zeek would have been a lot better off to focus less on compliance and more on the numerious IT issues, payment issues, auction issues, e-wallet issues, than on courses for members.
My guess. Zeek will shortly implode. They seem to think they’re the only thing out there that makes money and they’re not. Some of my downline are now withdrawing their money at 100% as they have lost confidence in Zeek.
You are so correct in another thing. The minute you shut off discussion and start being secretive people ought to run. Honest people, in my experience, don’t worry about open discussion – they have nothing to hide.
Thanks for this website. It is sorely needed to offset the smoke, and sunshsine of the Zeek people who refuse to ask the hard questions.
Hi guys,
I am posting this question here since I accidentally posted this in Bidify.
I’m totally new to this penny auction thing and have a newbie question. I was introducing it to a friend and they had a good question.
Question: How are affiliates buying retail bids and receiving matching VIP points and 20% commission without getting caught?
Example: John the Affiliate creates a retail customer account and buys $5000 retail bids. Since John “referred” this “customer” he gets 5000 matching vip points + $1000 commision posted to John the affiliate’s account.
When he uses the customer account to buy bids using his OWN credit card doesn’t zeek know it’s John the affiliate creating the account and therefore is an “inside job”? Does zeekrewards verify? Wouldn’t they close John the affiliate’s account?
Anyone have experience with this?
Thanks.
@S. Krueger
Zeek *encourages* this behavior because they want more retail revenue. This way in the future they can claim “look at our retail revenue” without disclosing under the covers which retail customers purchased bids only for the matching VIP points (and the 20% discount or commission).
Zeek did add some limits in Mar 2012 to bring some sanity to the process. For example, they lock down one credit card per account across both Zeekler and Zeek Rewards.
Of course, nothing stops you from using a different credit card, gift card, or mom/dad/brother/sister/friend’s name and credit card.
Finally, consider that even if Zeek prohibited this behavior, that would change nothing to the business model. Even if they had a legitimate retail customer buy retail penny auction bids, someone is getting matching VIP points on it. **
** Note there was a cap of $1000 for matching VIP points in Jan 2012. Not sure if has changed or is enforced.
The natives are getting restless… a common response from well-wishers have been “if you don’t like it, get out”. This affiliate had a good response to that sentiment:
Guys I hope this doesn’t sound incredibly stupid, but how do you get on the forum as a member?? What’s the address?
As a Zeek affiliate I’d love to support some of my fellow members who want to ask the hard questions that the Zeek lemmings refuse to ask.
Let’s face it. I stopped bringing in new members because of my concerns over this. It’s obvious that even if I DID want to bring in new affiliates that they likely can’t pay their subscription anyway, LOL.
It’s part of what happens when you have all your relatives working for you and the COO is clueless about what to do to solve problems.
@Alan – login with your Zeek affiliate login here: http://zeeksupport.zeekrewards.com/zeekrewards_private
The questions being raised are all legitimate. It’s not nearly as negative as it could be if it was an open forum as many affiliates are being quite reserved for fear of being labeled a troublemaker and putting their affiliate account at risk.
@Jimmy…thanks. I know. People who ask questions are always labeled as troublemakers by the lemmings who never learn if you don’t have anything to hide, why are you worried?
And these are the types of responses you get from Zeek. Despite them asking people to send info by email, post on the forum, and open a ticket, when an affiliate does more than any ONE action, this is the answer from a Zeek employee:
The above basically says:
– STFU
– Contact us only once
– Wait several months
– We’ll collect all of your issues with other affiliates for some future date for batch processing
– Just trust us
This is especially troubling if you are expecting a payout or have purchased compounding bids but have to wait months and they aren’t compounding.
Yet the Zeek defenders keep replying on the forum “trust in zeek” (if you do a little more research, you’ll notice the most vocal defenders have been in it the longest and if you search on their user names some have old Google cache entries where they are showing thousands a week in profit… so of course they want everyone to just STFU and fall in line).
This is classic! In response to Jimmy’s instructions to Alan, I went to the URL and started reading the Terms of Service to see what I was agreeing to.
As I was reading, the page cycled to a message “waiting for you to login”! I already logged in! Once again, you try and get informed, try and pay money, try anf get money out and nothing works! Frustrating!
Zeek has so many IT problems you can’t list them. Friend of mine wanted some “free” bids. I gave him my page for 500 free bids. He couldn’t even register! Talk about stupid. But, hey Dawn is STILL the #1 MLM person, right?
You guys are just being negative. You have to be patient with Zeek’s growing pains.
Who cares if they’ve been in business for 15 years and should know what they’re doing? All the spam ads are growing the company at such a phenomenal rate they are having trouble keeping up with it.
Who cares if they don’t hire new IT staff? Your points balances keep growing, right?
Who cares if people can’t get their money out at the moment? It’ll come eventually. You just have to trust in zeek.
Trust in zeek. Trust in zeek. Trust in zeek.
Kinda reminds me that recent Microsoft research on why those Nigerian 419 spam scam are written so poorly…
Because they need to weed out the smart people first, and that leaves only the stupid people who are gullible and naive enough to be scammed. Really.
Seems like natural selection is happening… even at Zeek!
http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/167719/WhyFromNigeria.pdf
The amazing thing is the supposed smart people willing to get into Zeek…doctors, lawyers, (you’d think they would know better).
Maybe smart isn’t the right word though…educated doesn’t necessarily mean smart apparently. Money /greed makes some people willfully blind.
It’s a mixed bag, I feel sorry for the first time victims, but at the same time, I wonder can you be that dumb, maybe you get what you deserve. Ponzi players know the score, but I think most aren’t ponzi players, and so many will get hurt, people quitting jobs, buying houses and cars.
I got sucked in…one time, (yes, I did get what I deserved) some people want to believe so bad they keep doing it over and over…get a clue!
@Erin — you want to hear the ULTIMATE irony?
The guy who wrote *the* book on Gullibility, Stephen Greenspan , is a Madoff victim. 🙂
Takes different smarts to spot a scam.
That’s funny…and sad.
BTW, here’s the full transcript of the Freakonomics episode where this was revealed:
http://www.freakonomics.com/2011/11/23/the-truth-is-out-there-isnt-it-full-transcript/
Remember, even Sir Isaac Newton was essentially scammed out of a huge fortune at his time. 🙂
I can’t get into the private forum anymore – after signing in it keeps redirecting back to Zeek’s home page.
Reminds me of that old movie Freaks…
“One of us! One of us! Gooble-gobble, gooble-gobble!”
Here is the latest spin from Zeekheads over at TG about why support is non-existent. First, he blames the affiliates, then he produces a hilarious straw man:
Bwahahaha.,.. This is PERFECT!!!
(Coming soon to ZeekRewards News)
@Glimdropper…funny part is it’s so true. I mean this woman has her steps on doing their IT and it is screwed up beyond stupid. Any other exec would have been fired a long time ago for the IT mess.
Dawn is most obviously out of her league here. She may be a good MLM person, but it’s painfully obvious she does not know how to run a company other than into the ground.
If Paul were smart, he would have realized by now that he’s a great entrepreneur but doesn’t know how to pilot a company this big. He needs to bring in new people who have a demonstrated track record at successful companies.
Yes, if I ran my company with the same crappy customer service that Zeek has, I’m sure I’d be fired by the owner. The thing that will piss off customers the quickest is to make them feel like they’re being ignored, especially if they come to you with a problem.
Even if you don’t have an answer at that very moment the customer contacts you, you should at least acknowledge their problem and let them know that you’re looking into a solution. To just blow them off and pretend they don’t exist is the worst thing you could do.
I joined Zeekrewards back in Feb ’12. I get paid weekly (except a few times when processing e wallets took longer), and EVERYTHING they have promised happens, maybe not as fast as some in this “microwave fast” culture expects, but they do come through.
I think a lot of the issues that have been coming up are because people can’t be bothered or don’t want to read the instructions. I used NxPay until it couldn’t fund, then switched to Payza which so many complained about, but works perfectly for me.
I worry too about some of the people signing up from other countries and those that write questions with subject titles like “useing a labtop computer” (yes, that it exactly what was written). If you can’t easily understand the instructions and methods which are all explained in the back office of your website when you join, how do you expect to get anywhere with Zeek?
I’d like to see anyone run a company with such explosive membership growth do better than Zeek is trying, and as I’ve wondered on other sites complaining about Zeekrewards, I think some of the comments are from people that can’t invest for one reason or another and instead decide to slam the company in frustration.
Just my two cents worth.
Ah yes, the old “you’re just jealous because we’re making lots of money” claim. If I had a dollar every time I heard that, I definitely wouldn’t need to invest any in a ponzi scheme like Zeek Rewards.
Clearly, you didn’t read the parts about potential Ponzi scheme, getting paid with your own money, not enough customers to be paying that much money, “encouraging” people who received money to put it right back in, and so on and so forth.
Those ain’t operational issues.
@John,
Even your advanced Zeek knowledge still fails the compliance test, as you yourself called it an investment.
Howdy John,
First, please understand that Zeek Rewards is in no significant way unique. At least to the people who have been paying attention to companies employing the “revenue sharing” buisness model.
There have been quite literally too many of them to count and at least thus far, none of them have stood the test of time.
I should qualify my statement by adding that no revenue sharing program offering a greater than 1% daily ROI has ever lasted. Explosive growth? Offer a 500+% annualized return on investment and a whole lot of people will jump on board. But those levels of payout are unsustainable yet ZR’s average of 1.4% per day times 365 = 511% compounding interest per year.
You see, Zeek’s compliance speak is a two edged sword. Sure, you’ll get the program in trouble if you admit that the sales pitch is a surrealistically high return on investment.
But the other side is if you ever ask yourself how many investment opportunities will reward you with better than a 500% return just for posting daily ads you might begin to think for yourself.
If you’re the “who cares, I got paid” kind of guy just admit it, get your cash out fast and only play with the house’s money. That is the fairest warning I can give you.
But if you have questions past that point that wont end (in your mind) with some variant of “well I got mine so who cares,” hang around, we might learn something from each other.
Wow…still trying to reel affiliates in and tell them everything is fine. We can’t even log into the Zeek Forum to post our issues now.
I see the writing on the wall and it really does seem like there are so many issues that its coming to an end. Soon and very soon. Set it to 0% of you haven’t!!!
That’s not the original letter Observant…Paul must have changed it. The original letter he said Dawn’s idiot sun who’s in charge of IT sits around and plays xbox all day! Real professional for the owner of a company.
@e — I think that part about Xbox is a The_Onion-style satire by a fellow commenter.
I read Paul’s message directly at zeek news. Not sure about the xbox comment but he did call Dawn’s son an idiot!
I still can’t determine whether Zeek’s IT issues are intentional or due to incompetence.
Who let’s their support forum login stop functioning for several days in the middle of payment, credit card, missing bids, and a host of other issues?
Keep in mind this is hosted by Get Satisfaction so all they have to do is authenticate and do the redirect (literally a small snippet of code that Get Satisfaction gives you).
The reason I can’t figure out if Zeek is really having problems or not is that they’ve caught up on payments owed to the people I know who have been complaining for weeks are now complacent again.
I was expecting them to drag it out, say pay everything from 3 weeks ago or 2 weeks ago and just keep dragging each week in arrears to the next week.
I suppose the real test on whether this is the beginning of the end or if the end is still a few months out will be when they implement ACH if payments will be on-time every week or if they continue to have problems.
I’m sorry e, KC was correct when he said:
I was the one who posted:
Sorry for any confusion but I thought it was funny.
NIce…with all the other Zeek crap and lame excuses it’s pretty funny that I just took your story as fact! You did a good job. Sad thing is, there’s probably more truth to it than you know.
I am still waiting on a payment from May???? No answers despite all the support tickets in the back office, support tickets to all of the ewallets, posting in the forum, chat line, calls to the company…
Others may have been paid but I’m still waiting.
I’m still waiting for a payment from May too!
Selective payments are par for the course in “rev share” money games. Part of it is paying the “right people” to keep them from leaving and taking their downlines with them but in general it’s to make sure there are some “I got paid” posts on internet forums.
“Social reinforcement” is a powerful tool in reputation management and people who were about to give up hope can sometimes be made to reinvest just because someone somewhere is getting paid as promised.
@Marie
@Observant
Have you got any payment AFTER May?
The payment issues 21st and 28th May was the “Clawback”.
The payment issues in June has been related to eWallets.
Don’t forget what Charles Ponzi did to stop the run on his little scheme. Quoting from Wikipedia
I did the 5/28 clawback to go into a certain ewallet because that was the week they decided not to send out checks anymore.
I still have not gotten the $$ from that 5/28 clawback. I have gotten all the rest of them except that one.
I have still set mine to 0%. I’m NOT staying with this bull….
Many affiliates I know were paid for outstanding weeks last week, and their 7/9 payment was paid on time. What I don’t know is if this is representative of others or just due to the fact that I’ve told everyone to escalate on the support forums (when it was working).
Also, my STP check-request-to-mail-in-the-mailbox time for this last round was down to 14-days.
Just sharing facts, not endorsing. As many know, I’m cashing out 100% just
Thanks Jimmy. Yes I’m cashing out also. I need a legitimate program that doesn’t cost a lot to start up that will be around for the long haul.
I don’t like to recruit so this was perfect for me. Anyways…cashing out weekly but I still have 1 week outstanding.
Help me understand something here….
From mlmhelpdesk, Poster asks…
Troy responds…
So if bids are counted as income then every affiliate dollar put in is income? How is that not an investment scheme again?
Zeek has long acknowledged that the daily profit share includes BOTH Zeekler retail bid revenue and Zeek Rewards affiliate income. But when you watch the corporate videos they stress the penny auction as if it was some a money tree and barely even hint at the affiliate revenue, when that probably covers 98% or more of all revenue based on some back of the napkin calculations of public data we know.
Not to mention all Zeekler retail revenue just feeds the Ponzi with matching VIP points anyways.
I’m an International member and I received a check in May, too late to bank and clear by June 1st. They didn’t offer a clawback for this check.
I’ve tried support tickets, online chat and the forum and no real help. There were many others at the forum with the same problem of receiving checks from late April and early May, too late to bank. With no clawback offered either.
I have received all payments since.
Eat your hearts out, Zeek might be going through teething problems but everything comes right eventually and we earn good income.
I’m pretty much disgusted with this article, its got nothing to do with anyone where their bank account is, people seem to forget this is an INTERNATIONAL OPPORTUNITY and if Americans are not interested, well then they must just move on. Jealousy makes you nasty.
Google provides the link to this poll: “What is the Top Direct Selling Company in 2012?” This shows just how much support Zeek does in fact get and further more it shows that the world is a VERY big place by its top MLM winners.
If any of you can do better please show your votes!
@Sui
Google polls, your disgust, international investors and teething problems do not change the fact that this is a Ponzi scheme.
Don’t all participants in a Ponzo scheme love it while it pays? It is self-serving for Ponzi participants to vote for the company so as to continue the siren’s call for easy money with no or little work (which by itself should be the biggest red flag of all, but so easily dismissed).
That’s an OPINION, not a fact.
Standard “sour grapes” argument (yawn). Greed makes you blind to risks.
Two words: bandwagon fallacy.
I dont think you know what a ponzi scheme is, you are only interested in promoting your own products. Since we have a product to sell it is NOT a ponzi, Zeek product is successful auctions and my Zeek backoffice informs me every time that a customer purchases.
You guys carry on working HARD for your money and I will continue letting my money work for me. Look outside your blinkered perception. “What is the Top Direct Selling Company in 2012?” Again, jealousy makes you very ugly people.
Update: My Zeek backoffice informs me every time that a customer purchases…. from one of my daily adverts.
@Sui
Given that Zeek Rewards affiliate links are not trackable (you post the same link in each ad), you’re full of it.
Nonetheless, do tell how many non-affiliate customers your links have generated who aren’t your family and friends and how much money they’ve spent of their own on Zeek retail bids.
Seeing as consumption of that product is 100% or very close to only coming from affiliates, with Zeek Rewards paying out a daily ROI based on this consumption and the consumption of your downline (let’s cut the crap, consumption = investment), yes it is.
Negativity, jealousy, “working hard” – yawn, just follow the money.
Actually, it shows “cash” commission from bid purchases, whether by “customer” you allegedly referred, or by any of your recruited downlines.
We’ve seen Zeek’s backoffice screens before.
@Sui Generis,
You should first educate yourself on what the definition of a Ponzi is before trying to convince the experts here. At least get your definition right before you play ball.
Having a “product” never exempts an investment scheme from being a Ponzi, it’s the flow of revenue and payouts that matter.
At present, not Zeek Rewards.
Zeek is getting its butt kicked by Monavie and OPN for #1 best direct sales company.
Zeek has an advantage in that it requires daily “busy work” ad postings which has every distributor logging in at least once per day and seeing a pop-up message in their back office. Zeek effectively broadcasts to their million affiliates (or whatever the number is now) yet only 20k have voted.
The other MLM companies don’t require daily touch points with their distributors, and they rarely play the “everyone respond to this poll to get this meaningless title” game.
Other MLM’s also don’t have so many problems that their distributors have to constantly read the blog and listen in on the daily calls where they are again asked to vote for Zeek as #1.
What you’ll see with the stakes raised now as other MLM companies are seeing the Zeek Ponzi for what it is … is that any of these other MLM companies that chooses to play the “vote this meaningless poll game” can simply send an email blast to their distributors and ask for a call to action.
It looks like Monavie and OPN did just that and are leaving Zeek in the dust.
I can cite Ponzi definition by Gerald Nehra, Zeek’s current compliance lawyer. Can you?
Care to prove that? Or is that just random accusation?
Ever heard of Pigeon King International ponzi? They sold pigeons. They’re a Ponzi scheme.
Guess you do NOT know the definition of Ponzi scheme after all.
Wow you people are incorrigible. No matter if Zeek is number 3 on the list of TOP Direct Selling companies, haha what number are you?
How dare you accuse me of BS, I have NEVER made one cent on affiliate commissions, I ONLY make money from my Zeek customers and auctions which change and are updated every day making the auction business a fast growing industry on the net.
Zeek has a product and those are our auctions (with our own personal zeek link,) making automated purchases easy for the company to trace and connect each customer to a zeek member.
Lets get this clear you dont need to ONLY make money by recruiting affiliates, like me you can make excellent income on the zeekler customer only.
A little research will show there are many zeek opportunities, some zeek members do exceptionally well on buying and selling auctions themselves.
Nobody can beat a good thing, and Zeek is a good thing with many branches within the organisation to make a very good income.
The difference between conventional and non-conventional methods it that conventional works hard and non-conventional works smart. That is the zeek opportunity in a nutshell.
@Sui
Irrelevant.
Here’s a tissue. Fact remains, you cannot track your Zeek Rewards affiliate links, much the less the purchase of bids through them.
You failed to specify how many genuine retail customers you have who are not your friends and family, and who regularly purchase retail bids with their own money.
“auctions” is not a product.
Nobody said you did.
All affiliates are able to invest money and earn a daily ROI that is comprised of mostly other affiliates money. How much of a ROI they get is determined by how much initial money they themselves invested, how much they choose to re-invest and how much much money those they recruited invested (if applicable).
Anything else is irrelevant.
Call it what you want, at the end of the day mechanically it’s still a Ponzi scheme.
“For those who believe no proof is necessary. for those who don’t believe no proof is possible.”
I am not wasting my time on this topic anymore. I have defended a company who works well for me (albeit with a few teething problems), you do whatever works for you.
Your attempt of controlling will not change what people ultimately do and Zeek Rewards will grow from strength to strength whether you like it or not.
Many auctions are sold on the net, I get the benefit from those (strangers) customers who buy from Zeekler and I earn good rewards from the auction industry.
So from this it is thus concluded that yet again, we have an affiliate crapping on about genuine retail customers whilst they themselves having none (repeatedly dodging the question about how many genuine retail customers they have when put forth to them).
You have defended nothing, all you’ve done is spurt irrelevant garbage that fails to address the fundamental problem with Zeek Rewards’ Ponzi’esque business model.
Cheers.
@Sui Generis
Being so defensive doesn’t change the facts. It actually only makes you look naive at best, or extremely foolish at worst.
Yes, you may be making dollars with ZR right now, but don’t discount what you read here as being fallacy if you have not truly stepped outside the Zeek BS and looked at this whole thing for what it really is.
A PONZI.
This blog is the most sensible thing I have read about ZR in the last few months.
And yes, I am an “affiliate” trying to cash out without a loss.
Does that mean you admit you only have faith, instead of having any actual evidence and logic to support your position?
Because you can’t come up with any LOGICAL points to support your side, perhaps?
You’ve made multiple fake claims, used multiple fallacies, and when confronted with evidence that you’re wrong, refuse to admit that you don’t know enough about the issues at hand, but instead claiming “how dare you!”
We spread real information. Ever heard of the expression, “The truth shall set you free”?
It is YOU who are controlling, by attempting to debate the truth with bogosity.
Another opinion.
You didn’t bother to prove you actually *have* customers who are not affiliates. Which makes your claim a pure OPINION, perhaps even self-delusion.
Your “retail customer” total = 0
Bids….the product is bids. And you’re the expert here?
You have not told us home many “retail customers” you have. So we assume you have ZERO.
Again, you sell/give away BIDS
@gen3benz
ASSUME means YOU make an ASS out of U and ME, not the wisest of strategies.
What are Zeek bids used for? The answer is to buy auctioned products, if you loose the bid there is no loss and you vanish into cyberspace but if you win the bid you end up in my back office (or another zeek member) as a customer. Only customers who win the bids are listed by date and bids submitted to close that sale. Simple.
However, on the subject of customers not you, nor anyone else for that matter, have the right to demand who Zeek’s customers are, let alone who any other organisations customers are, so this line of banter renders this argument mute.
I will point out that with 3 million Zeek members placing one advert every day (with each advert lasting a month) it stands to reason that Zeekler would grow exponentially as it has done making Zeek members much better off for it in the profit pool (by customers purchasing power).
If Zeekler attempted to place 3 million adverts every day google would classify those adverts as spam so this was a clever move by the Rex Venture Group.
Chang and Oz
Sirs, you doth protest too much, what is the real motive here? And just because you dissect every statement I make in your comment does not make your repetitive waffle intelligent, it aint. I bet when you talk you love the sound of your voice also.
Jimmy
No matter who the Top Direct Selling Company in 2012 is, MONAVIE – USA cant be that good judging by the number of grossly obese people living in America. They havent made a slightest bit of difference.
Over and above that medical journals worldwide warn people of the dangers of diet remedies yet this company is just dandy according to the MLM industry even though ALL diet pills are dangerous. Makes me wonder just how credible this MLM industry actually is.
It’s clear the motive to sell this product is only greed otherwise Americans would be loosing that excess weight.
Control freaks always find it difficult to allow others to do as they chose without interference but if you leave others alone to do as THEY choose perhaps your lives will improve.
Bottom line, its got nothing to do with ANY of you who Zeek customers are, just like with any other organisation that information is private.
You do what is right for you and Zeek members will do what is right for them. Enough said.
Agreed. That’s why as a zeek rewards member I’m cashing out ASAP.
@Sui “I am not wasting my time on this topic anymore” Generis
To cover the investment that determines how much of a daily ROI you get for 90 days.
Nobody cares who they are, only that they exist in any significant number so as to outweigh the affiliate money being paid out in the daily ROI.
And they clearly don’t – so we’re dancing in Ponzi land. Please don’t waste our time attempting to change the question asked.
Oh is it 3 million Zeek Rewards members now? Proof?
Yet Zeek Rewards still outranks Zeekler consistently (and has done since forever) on the much touted Alexa traffic stats.
Why? Because zeekrewards.com is where all the Ponzi money comes from (via affiliates).
If you cannot discuss something rationally, don’t waste my time or my reader’s time with your silly conspiracy theories. Stay on topic and follow the money.
I for one am certainly not interested in your feelings and the fact that you can’t construct a reply when your paper thin assertions and pathetic excuses are torn to shreds.
Legitimate MLM companies will publish customer or revenue ratios, without having to reveal actual revenues or any other customer information.
Zeek already discloses some information with their 2011 IDS, and they boasted about their 25:1 customer-to-affiliate ratio with the NMBJ article. Considering that there are more “Zeek warning” search results than legitimate Zeek sites in the first few pages of Google searches, you can bet with certainty that if Zeek actually had revenue or customer data that proved they
(1) they were NOT a Ponzi,
(2) they passed the Howey Test and are not an investment, or
(3) they passed the 70% test of internal consumption and were NOT a Pyramid, that they would be shouting it from the rooftops.
Lies and misinformation. You could do yourself a big favor and get accurate information before trying to aruge with people who know a lot more about Zeek than you. 3 million members? Hardly.
Effectiveness of spammy classified ads? Useless. Last for 1 month? Depends on where it’s posted, and also further shows how useless the spammy ads are, posting duplicate spammy ads for 30 days, LOL.
Irrelevant replies that does nothing but shows you have ZERO facts to support your position.
The one fact you tried to assert earlier, that Zeek was #1 in the useless Top Direct Selling Company 2012 poll, was wrong.
The second fact you tried to assert above, that Zeek has 3 million members and they are placing ads daily, is completely false.
You have no facts to support your position, and the two facts you trot out are completely false.
Next?
Oh no Jimmy, now you’ve gone and done it. Sui’s gunna add you to the ‘protests too much‘ list now.
Game over.
Irrelevant.
It actually means you can’t argue your way out of a paper bag, because you came in UNprepared. Instead of armed with facts and logic, you came with false info and logical fallacies.
And you now protest that we pointed that out? YOU are the one who protest too much. Better admit defeat while you’re at it.
Oh, didn’t you say you’re not coming back?
Another ad hominem attack. You’re just FULL of it today.
I read 3 million somewhere, no matter thats irrelevant, if you do a google search on “Zeekler growth” it will show a huge growth in the past few months, those adverts must be doing some good for Zeekler, yes in the form of customers who land in our back offices.
I never said Zeek was number one on that list, go back and read my comments.. I only said the list shows a clear picture. Go ahead read my earlier comment I dare you.
And while on the subject of pictures, I understand some of you might not see the greater picture within the Zeek opportunity where as I pointed out there are many different streams of income for zeek members to take part in. We give out bids via advertising and those bids ultimately come back to us as customers, Zeekler growth shows in google search.
Anyway that was worth coming back to clear up how the company actually does work.
And how many customers and how much retail revenue is payout millions per day to Zeek affiliates?
And how much actual external revenue is there?
Welcome to Ponzi land.
Uh what? Sorry but since when was Google an authority on Zeek Rewards member numbers?
That’s a kind of ironic thing to say, seeing as most affiliates can’t look past their own hip pocket, prancing around asking what’s wrong if they personally are getting paid.
Big picture wise once new affiliates stop investing and the money coming in from affiliates is les than the amount being withdrawn, ZR is sunk.
All of which are irrelevant and overshadowed by the simple fact that I can join Zeek Rewards, invest $x and earn a ROI over 90 days that is >$x.
Where does this money come from? Other affiliates, either directly investing themselves or purchasing retail bids through dummy customer accounts.
That’s how the daily ROIs work and that’s where the problem is. Everything else, from marketing spin to compliance jargon, is irrelevant.
What are you trying to tell us here? That only customers who WIN an auction will give the affiliate any commission, and show up as a customer?
Your brain seems to deny reality, and make up its own explanations to make things look better than they are? The problem here is that several affiliates already have given a different explanation than you, so you are completely alone with your weird set of beliefs.
And where did you get that info about “3 million Zeek members”? Rex Venture Group has made a claim about having a total of 3 million customers in 13 years, so you have probably mixed up some info.
This discussion with you is rather meaningless. It seems like you have disengaged the logical part of your brain, the part that handles reality.
If you want to discuss your faith in something, you should probably CALL someone? If you want to continue the discussion here on this site, you’ll have to state some facts first.
For how long you have been an affiliate? This will place your comments into a specific context, and show whether you’re talking out of experience and insight or are simply making up your own theories. Please answer that question before you continue with other statements.
At the current stage your only wasting everyone’s time, including your own time. You’re discussing from a viewpoint of blind faith with very little support in reality.
Your next comment should start with information about for how long you have been an affiliate, so other readers can establish one of the factors involved in your comments.
All Google can prove is the amount of web sites with the words “Zeek” on it.
Given that Dawn herself have stated back in March that there are only 15000 active affiliates in ZeekRewards as of end of 2011, I’d say you are full of it.
Then why does Alexa says ZeekRewards is ranked HIGHER (i.e. more traffic) then Zeekler? Go check it now.
It’s still “bandwagon fallacy”. Being popular doesn’t make it legal or true.
So a criminal should not go to jail for his crime because he donated to the church? That the prosecutor and the judge didn’t see the “big picture”?
You’re just trying to introduce additional topics to derail the discussion.
YOU PAID for those bids, and those shows up as profit you then share. YOU PAID YOURSELF.
I see nothing wrong with that, personally I go onto my back office at least 10 times a day. There are many links in our back office, some people are following a training ritual and others are busy with compliance and marketing programs so they will probably log onto their back offices more than me.
Personally I like to explore and strategize, call it planning in advance. Bearing all this in mind I think its perfectly natural that zeek rewards is ranked higher on Alexa rankings
I can also understand why the Alexa ranking has gone down slightly, because some countries were sanctioned from partaking in the Zeek opportunity and so Zeek management had no alternative but to abide by U.S. regulations.
And then many people had paid good money to advertise, using words like “investment”, they were all warned to remove their ads with immediate effect and that made many livid I’m sure, and so some might have bailed due to this development.
But hey, I am not trying to convince you of anything and you can say what you like neither Paul nor Dawn are in jail and you can be sure if they were marketing a ponzi scheme the American government would be onto them in a flash.
At this time its probably best for us to agree to disagree. Perhaps we can talk again in 5 years time and if I have made a mistake by trusting Zeek methods to earn a diverse income stream then I will be the first to admit it.
But I must add right here and now I will not sign up any affiliates because I dont care to baby anyone, I dont need the headache… its just my philosophy. I also dont recommend motor mechanics because people always have the habit of blaming others when things go wrong in their lives.
From K. Chang
Revised Troll Message Generator, no longer Zeek specific, call it version 1.1
Sentence 1: Pick one of the following –
a) Lots of hilarious opinions here
b) I see a lot of speculation and very little fact
c) Bunch of amateur wannabe analysts here.
d) You guys have no idea what you’re talking about
Sentence 1.5: (scheme name) is not a scam.
Sentence 2: Pick one or more of the following
a) Sour grapes fallacy — you must be jealous of our success
b) You’re not in it fallacy — you must be a member to understand us, how it REALLY works
c) You just don’t understand us / it / whatever. You don’t have the mindset / positive attitude / training.
d) It paid me fallacy — it paid me and that’s all that matters
e) appeal to association with authority fallacy — (scheme name) is associated with big names, it can’t possibly be a scam!
f) “every thing else is a scam” — social security, federal reserve, IMF, are all scams. Why don’t you go after those?
g) anecdotal fallacy — cite personal data, pretend it’s universal, i.e. “It’s not a scam (to me)”.
h) “appeal to age” — (Scheme name) / (Scheme parent company) is X years old! They have to know what they’re doing (to have last this long)!
i) “it ain’t a scam unless it’s convicted” — if it haven’t been declared illegal it’s not going to be ever!
j) “disgruntled fallacy” — you must be bitter from a prior MLM failure
k) “Conspiracy” fallacy — you must work for a competitor / you’re just out to get hits for your blog / you are the 1% out to keep us 99% poor
l) “caveat emptor” fallacy — we know what we’re getting into and we don’t like being lectured to!
m) “appeal to lack of authority” — your evidence is worthless and your logic worthless. You have no reputation and that’s all I care about.
n) “What’s your problem” fallacy — you must have a personal grudge against (Scheme leader) to say bad things about his company
o) faireness fallacy — you’re not being fair! You are biased! I demand you to present facts FAVORABLE to (scheme)!
x) Pick some other fallacy from fallacyfiles.org
Sentence 3: Pick one of the following:
a) So go ahead and bash, I’ll be laughing from the bank
b) you’re just negative
c) why don’t you just leave us alone
Those ads already are classified as spam. There are a lot of websites which won’t allow them, such as Craigslist. The only place you tend to see Zeekler ads are on spammy free classified ads websites which are so full of Zeekler spam that that’s all you see there.
Think about it, if you kept seeing the same ad for the same website 50 times on every page, you’re likely to tune them out. And sites like classifiedsgiant are so full of Zeek spam that it’s literally no good for anything else. So who wants to go to a website to see nothing but Zeekler spam?
And think about it: Why would Zeek pay millions of dollars to people to advertise in a totally inefficient manner when web banner ads appearing on various websites would be far cheaper and more effective, not to mention far easier to have customers purchase bids directly from the Zeekler website than having to go through affiliates?
No, it’s far more profitable to get affiliates to constantly buy bids because that’s where all the income is really coming from. In other words, a ponzi scheme.
Oh, one more thing about the daily ads:
Zeek Rewards affiliates can pay $10 a month to someone (not sure if it’s Zeek or a third-party) to post the ads for them so they don’t have to worry about spending two minutes to post their ad.
Whether it’s Zeek doing this for affiliates or a third party, why doesn’t Zeek just do all the ad posting themselves or hire this third party to post the ads for $10 a month instead of paying millions of dollars of profit share out to so many people? That would be far more profitable.
No need to even bother with the whole Zeek Rewards program, no need to pay 1.5% or so daily interest on points, no need to worry about e-wallets and payment problems. If the ads are as effective as you claim, then why can’t Zeek just do it all themselves for far cheaper?
Not only is it suspicious that a supposedly multi-million dollar company would pay out millions of dollars to people just for placing spam ads for their business, but it’s extremely suspicious that a multi-million dollar company would do this in our currently lousy economy.
Yeah, that one is clearly a 2f on the KC troll cheat sheet. I think he may have hit them all by now though.
Yeah, I didn’t have the patience to sift through the rest of his BS…but he pretty much followed the script in his every attempt.
I have read most of this post and it sounds like to me there are a few disgruntle people out there that don’t know what there talking about.
I have been in ZeekRewards now for 13 mths. I have never had a problem getting a check or problems with transfers. I think your quite a bit off on the 3 million affiliates you stated.
ZeekRewards has always been very professional in the interaction with me and anyone I have in my groups. With growth comes growing pains.
The people that have had problems sounds like to me that they may have not set up their payment processing correctly and blaming it on the company. That will always happen as people like to point the blame of their ignorance on someone else.
There is always someone wanting to stur up the shit pot and that’s what’s going on here.
Because of my positive comments about ZeekRewards I’m sure this won’t get posted. Let’s just see
To Your Continued Success somewhere else.
RT
Would be nice if you raised specific FACTS that you disagree with. Perhaps you care to comment on the OFAC sanctions that do not exist that confiscated VIP points from affiliates in 6 countries with no compensation?
This was a Zeek affiliate and supporter who disagreed with the articles here who made that claim. Doesn’t add a lot of credibility when Zeek affiliates are throwing around wild membership numbers that have no basis in fact. Most everything Oz writes here, as well as the regular commentors, will cite references and you can easily separate FACT from ANALYSIS from OPINION.
Contrast this with the hundreds of people in the Zeeksupport forums who haven’t been paid, have missing bids, checks that need to be reissued due to June 1 bank account closures, and support tickets unanswered for months. Your experience may have been flawless, but many others have had problems.
When does “growing pains” stop becoming an excuse? Some affiliates have support tickets dating back to Jan 2012 that have gone unanswered. I myself have had over 15 tickets opened and not a single one answered.
Have you actually read the dozens of topics on Zeeksupport forums about payment problems? It has nothing to do with the affiliate setting up payment processing incorrectly. Please, “blame the affiliate”?
Surely, you have not read most of the posts here like you claim. There are over 4000 comments and many of them are from Zeek supporters who provide no facts just rah-rah cheer leading and calling all the critics idiots. Perhaps you should look at ZeekRewardsNews or the Facebook page and see how balanced of a view you get? Over 90% of comments are suppressed on ZRN. Oz rarely suppress comments here.
This is the one website where anyone can make a comment as long as it is on topic and not spam, unlike ZRN, Facebook, or Zeeksupport website.
The fact that BehindMLM ranks so well on Google has a lot of Zeek supporters worried that the public will learn the truth about the Ponzi, illegal investment, and pyramid structure of the compensation pan (yes, 3 illegal aspects of the business model).
Can you prove your observation though?
*sigh* you start off with anecdotal fallacy: assuming your experience is “typical” and universal. You really expect us to take you seriously now?
Not just once, but TWICE!
Did you actually READ the Zeek Support forums? Apparently not.
That’s an OPINION. Care to back it up with some facts or logic? It is one explanation, but it’s not the ONLY explanation.
What do you think this is? Zeek with reverse polarity? Oz don’t censor posts unless they contain very bad language, just spam, or way-off-topic stuff.
Try posting ANYTHING negative on any Zeek websites. You’ll be deleted in minutes. Simple calculation shows over 90% of comments were not shown. In fact, it’s written into support policy: “positive comments ONLY”.
RT please don’t call anyone ignorant here. I have been paid through all of the ewallets so I did NOT set anything up wrong.
I am glad that you have gotten paid. I have too with all of them so I set everything up correctly! Now I am waiting on 3 checks with no answers. Would you like to pay me the $1200 since you are getting paid and a ton of us aren’t?
Have a little more compassion for those of us that are really feeling the growing pains. We have bills and I can’t tell the bill collector that the company I work for is having growing pains so I have not gotten paid yet.
A company bringing in millions of dollars can hire IT help. A team of them to fix all of these glitches, they are debt free according to them so why hasn’t this happened?
By the way, stir is spelled like this…not stur.
sorry for your dilemma of not getting paid. i am so glad i followed my gut and did not invest in this pyramid, ponzi, investment, illegal lottery plan called zeek. first sign of ponzi is slow payments.
Thank you @Justsayin for having empathy. Yes that’s what I am told that is the 1st sign. I have never been in a ponzi so I didn’t know what to look for. I have done other mlm’s but they are still going strong. Thanks for your input. 🙂
I joined Zeek not long ago and have had non-stop anxiety ever since.
After reading this article and all the posts I’ve decided to NOT proceed with Zeek any further. Now that I’ve made the decision (and cancelled my credit card and notified my bank) I feel so much better.
I’m trying to explain to my upline that I simply cannot be involved with business partners that make me feel terrible and then go out and recruit…?! I can’t do that.
So thanks for the article and all the excellent sleuthing by the author and posters. I’m sure you’ve saved me from calamity and embarrassment.
THANK YOU 🙂
Hi, my account is lock. I wrote everywhere,but no body answer me. Can somebody tell me what to do?
@Marianag
What you do will depend on why your account is locked, which you failed to mention.
@Marianag
While this is not a Zeek support forum, there are many affiliates and experts here.
You need to email compliance@zeeklers.com with your details. Even though many of us here believe Zeek is a Ponzi, we are here to help the average affiliate make well informed decisions.
Rodney,thanks, I try to write there.
Don’t forget to visit the Zeek support forum… uh, someone post the URL?
A co worker asked,”My nephew wants me to join Zeekrewards what do you think?” Which led me here and saw their web site plus education about penny auction sites.
K chang, oz, jimmy, MM and many others I thank you. It reaffirms my belief that greed is truly blind. Told my co worker don’t waste your time it’s a form of a ponzi scheme and it will eventually fail.
How many of you have made more money from Zeek that what you have put in?
I’m at B/E just now…
I have been a Zeek affiliate for a year now and I have wondered about everything that’s been talked about here. All I can tell you is about my personal experience.
I bought 3500 bids and now I’m making over $700 a week. I started withdrawing my daily earnings 7 weeks ago and now have received back every penny I have spent and have profited.
I have not recuited anyone into this program as of yet. Im not sure that I ever will but I m happy I did join when I did.
@JC
Your earnings are irrelevant when analysing the Zeek Rewards business model.
And if making a dollar is all that it takes to convince you it’s not a Ponzi, nevermind the fact all you’ve done is invest and twiddle your thumbs, best of luck to you. Try not to think about where your money’s coming from though, and the poor buggers who have no hope of recovering their investment because it’s in your pocket.
That’s how Ponzi’s work, those who get in early earn off the new investors… until there aren’t any new investors. So long as you’re comfortable with that on your conscience.
ok………..so i was all set to jump in and i read all this………..are affiliates getting paid or not….some help here would be appreciated…..
I would suggest you are asking the wrong question.
Bernie Madoff’s Ponzi “was paying investors” years 1 through 19. It stopped paying on year 20. Some investors got their money out and made a profit. Some investors lost everything.
I have been involved with ZeekRewards since July 24th. I joined at the Diamond level after being introduced to the program by a family friend. I joined only after seeing his income from the past 6 months from the various sources that one is is paid from under the compensation plan.
I do believe that it is possible for ZR to be a legitimate MLM company within the penny auction niche and pay out high commissions to their affiliates when you consider the extreme profit margins generated by penny auction sites.
The leader in this field, Quibids, currently has a bidding war going on for a 40″ flat-panel TV that will generate over $5,000 to the company (current bid of $91.81 = 9,181 bids x $0.60 per bid = $5,508.60).
My concerns are these:
1. Offshore banking affiliations – When reviewing my online banking statement, I noticed that my debit card had been charged my monthly ZR subscription fee from an account in Seoul, South Korea.
Because it was an international transaction, that meant an additional $1.28 in expense. I’m not keen on an international bank having my account info. If I continue with Zeek, all future subscription payments will be made through a prepaid debit card.
Also, why should a legitimate U.S. company use non-U.S. banks to process fees from and payments to U.S. based customers and affiliates? I have been and am involved with other respected MLM companies (Melaleuca, Immunotec) and this has never been the case.
2. The underlying corporate secrecy – transparency in every aspect of a company’s financials should be a given. It will only allay fears and prove the strength (or lack thereof) of a legitimate company.
Unlike herbal formulas, compensation structure, customer (end user) acquisitions and income breakdowns from all sources are not “trade secrets”. A company with rapid growth should be proud to show all these things, even “proclaiming them from the rooftops” so to speak.
3. Possible FTC regulations and consequences regarding penny auctions – are there current or proposed regulations that the company is aware of that would impact the independent businesses of their associates? If so, what will those impacts be and how does the company propose to deal with them?
Is Keith Laggos correct regarding the statements he made concerning future FTC regs? (Troy, if you read this, you seem to know Keith well. What is your opinion?)
4. IT infrastructure and security – for a company built upon sells through the internet, their IT department and overall web site structure (consumer and back office) appear to be extremely lacking in quality.
This lack of quality also leads one to question their commitment to customer and affiliate security as it relates to vital data such as credit card numbers and social security numbers. Especially when you consider the number of hits the site receives from high cyber-crime countries like the former Soviet Republics.
I hope this post hasn’t been off-topic. While I know that Oz and K. Chang firmly believe that Zeek is a ponzi scheme, I believe that the jury is still out on that. They may very well be right, and if they are I hope the proof comes soon. It will save many people a lot of grief and heartache.
If they aren’t right and Zeek proves to be legitimate, I believe the points I’ve raised above should still be addressed. Until then, I will be proceeding with caution.
@David
All those bids used in the Zeekler penny auctions attract a >100% liability through Zeek Rewards against the cost of the bids. Bids don’t directly generate revenue when used, until an auction ends and the final price of the auction is tallied.
The liability exists because each bid sold has referral commissions and/or a 90 day ROI liability through Zeek Rewards which costs more than the bid itself. You and I both know there’s no way the final auction price on daily auctioned items is paying out the daily ROI paid to affiliates.
You mentioned Quibids, they don’t have this liability because there’s no attached point investment scheme. Comparison of the two viability wise is therefore useless.
In my opinion Zeekler/Zeek Rewards is nothing more than a ponzi scheme with a penny auction attached to it to try and make it look legal. The penny auction is nothing more than lipstick on the pig.
@David, That lipstick on the pig as mentioned by darrell is exactly what Zeek is and that’s how they have been able to hoodwink many decent folks who otherwise would have never gone any closer than the naked live wire.
Its fundamental business model is not going to change just because of them parroting a few legal jargons and avoiding the taboos in the mlm industry. Sooner the FTC investigates, the better it is for a whole lot of potential victims.
I am a diamond too, feel embarrassed for being one, and even if they were legit I haven’t seen anything that can be called smooth on Zeek’s part over the past several months since joining. One problem after another, always. From the ridiculous web site that a 9th grader can put together to the affiliate services, credit card processing, and payments and all, everything smells fishy for a company that is wallowing in millions.
So I am not suggesting you to hope big in recovering your money or making a good return on it (if you already put on) without recruiting (or hoodwinking should I say?) other people into it. Wish you the best.
The combination of using third party, overseas credit card processors and incompetent IT/software programming has plagued Zeek for months.
Zeek blames the affiliates for opening support tickets, contacting the banks (before the accounts were closed) to check on deposits, and contacting the eWallets unnecessarily, etc. Maybe if Zeek’s basic site functionality such as paying for something with a credit card “just worked” then the affiliates wouldn’t have a need to “cause trouble” by, *gasp*, contacting support.
Just a few tidbits from one day in one topic. There are many more and many much worse than these:
Lets face the facts, people have made some bad decisions ( investing ) in Z that they were not aware of. Too many red flags and the name Z is way too much on the AIG’s sites and of other Reporters.
IMO they better get out and get ( or try to get ) there money or INVESTMENT while they can.
Does anyone know how to cancel A Zeek Account. Ican’t find how to anywhere! Please help Thanks in advance
@Tony
I believe you have to delete your CC info so that you don’t pay your subscription and let your points retire. They might delete your account if you call support but there’s no way to formally do it yourself (from what I’ve read).
They can’t keep runnng forever. Its only a matter of time before the games up, Mr Birks and there will soon be no more places left to hide.
The gigs up as far as I’m concerned. They have not been able to pay me for over 2 months after several tickets issued and no response.
It was a nice idea while it lasted but they are drowning in a cesspool of complaints and mismanagement.
Hi Paul Hanson, my fiancé and I joined ZeekRewards on Monday and just converted to a silver membership yesterday paying the $39.95 along with the $10 monthly fee. I just read your article here. Now, I’m having second thoughts.
Can you give me some more information on exactly how long you’ve been with Zeek, you’re experiences up to this point and what I can expect?..
Recap:
1. Every retail bid sold = 1 vip point + 20% commission, pretty much means any income from auction in negative revenue. This is also the reason for massive bid inflation, affiliates buying retail bids to stuff their backoffice with VIP points
2. Zero customer service or communication
3. Investigation by AG of NC, notice zeekrewardsnews hasnt mentioned this detail
4. Former Zeek lawyer, Keith Laggos said it will be shut down by the ftc in 6 months
5. Monavie president, said its a pyramid and prolly a ponzi after he did his own research.
Maybe you and your future wife should invest in a dave ramsey book instead.
It will make you more money than a sinking ponzi anyday.
Laggos was just a consultant, MLMexpert, and ‘expert witness’ for AdSurfDaily, not a lawyer.
Yes, you join, then the NC AG cancels it for you.
You will have to go trough the back office and submit a ticket.
Does any one know why Zeek is no longer paying daily commissions? Their answer is due to “technical issues which they are working on.?
@ Does anyone know how to cancel A Zeek Account.
I typed in bogus info to start the process. ie: name, address ect. As for ss# – still unclear how to deal with that.
@ Tony…. momentary lapse of reasoning?
that was my excuse. Good Luck
Is it true the NC AG will cancel acct for you?
I’m pretty sure that was a joke, and a funny one.
I’m not an affiliate, but I can probably fill out some parts of the picture in your question “What can I expect?”.
There’s lots of other affiliates here, so you can probably get lots of different answers from different viewpoints.
From my viewpoint, Zeek is having serious and escalating problems in some areas, and they have been visible for a long time. As a newly recruited affiliate with a limited “investment”, I don’t believe you will be directly affected by those problems (other than as a risk of losing your money). So you can feel relatively relaxed about the situation.
The problems Zeek is facing can be sorted into different groups:
* Legal problems, i.e. the core of the business model is probably a Ponzi scheme, and they are currently under investigation by the NC AG.
* Payment problems, major delays in payments to some affiliates, but this seems to be about to be corrected now.
* Other financial problems, e.g. their North Carolina bank terminated its relatinship to Zeek June 1st. There’s several other problems, too.
* Reputation problems, in that more and more people (and institutions) are warning against a possible fraud. One of them was NCSECU North Carolina State Employee Credit Union, around 2 weeks ago. Another one was MonaVie’s President Randy Schroeder, in a training call to a group of MonaVie’s distributors.
* Communication problems, i.e. Zeek has been very little clever when it comes to keeping their own affiliates updated with factual info, and informing the market in general.
This was an overview, and from my own viewpoint. I can add additional information and details too it if needed, but you can also find some of the information yourself — by scrolling to the top of the article, clicking the company name (under the headline), and get a list of articles related to ZeekRewards.
We don’t expect anyone to READ all the stuff presented here. There’s around 25 articles with 3,500 – 4,500 comments total about ZeekRewards here.
Other sources:
I have used Troy Dooly’s MlmHelpDesk.com as one of my “additional sources” for several months. He has a rather completely opposite viewpoint in some areas than us, but some of the information found there is useful, e.g. affiliates who makes comments there about problems acts more openly than they would have done here.
We use lots of other sources too, MlmHelpDesk was just an example.
How it will affect you?
You haven’t put any significant amount of money in yet, so the financial risk involved here should be relatively acceptable?
I would definitely have avoided to “go all in” in the current situation. I believe you should limit the financial risk to a level you can feel relatively comfortable about.
Zeek has some unsolved tax issues for the year 2011, where ALL points paid to the backoffice was stated as taxable income. This will be too detailed to explain here, but you should know there is “something” that can cause tax problems for U.S. affiliates.
THE CONCLUSION?
I don’t see any serious threats to you here, other than to the amount of money you have “invested” (but you have only paid the expenses yet, as far as I could see).
From my viewpoint, you should be careful with recruiting, in that you should avoid presenting something in a misleading manner.
Experienced MLM-ers have become much more careful in the last week or so, the ones who protects the interests of their downlines in addition to their own. Source for that information can be found on Troy Dooly’s website:
http://mlmhelpdesk.com/breaking-zeek-rewards-news-the-facts-behind-the-nc-doj-investigation-zeek-rewards-recording/#idc-cover
He has changed the comment system today, and I have not been familiarized to the new system yet, so I didn’t find the comment I was looking for. From memory: “Shirley” near the end of the thread was one of the experienced ones becoming more careful about recruiting people.
And that was that from me. I have focused more on an overview than on details, and I have mostly focused on “potential problems”.
From playing around with this previously, you may not be able to delete the CC information that easily, but populating the credit card number with bogus digits at the end ( like 9999 ) should be enough to prevent any further charges from going through.
Just changing the expiration date is not enough, as they will still attempt to charge the card and may get it through. Once your credit card info is neutered, then there is really nothing left to cancel.
Lately you have to pay membership manually. Credit card ( if it let’s you ) or there is an option to pay with “unpaid commissions”.
Call your credit card company and tel them not to pay charges to what ever name there using, although they do use different processers, huh.
@Frank
The comment I had thought to use as an example can currently be found on page 10 in the comment thread there — “Shirley Crawford, 2 days ago”. Currently there’s 340 comments total in that thread.
I won’t quote anything from the comment here, because of the different context where it initially was presented. It acts only as an example for “experienced MLM-ers have become more careful when it comes to recruiting”.
Shirley is experienced, and had 170 people in her downline in June or July (from memory). She doesn’t feel comfortable with recruiting additional people in her downline right now, in the current situation.
Other experienced affiliates might see it quite differently, in that Zeek probably will run out of money if people stops recruiting. So they can choose an opposite solution.
Your motives should probably be closer to Shirley’s, i.e. you don’t have lots of money invested in the system (like the other affiliates have).
I can use other comments from the same thread as illustration for other points, e.g. in the section where I sorted problems into different groups. But I’m not familiarized to the new comment system there yet, so I have had some trouble finding them.
@M_Norway
I like how Troy is claiming that the NC AG’s investigation is “standard business practice.”
Someone better call my local AG’s office, since I’ve been running a business for 3 years and never once have received word of any kind of investigation looking into my business practices.
Thank you Mr. Wallace
I signed up in June paid my subscription using my credit card. Now i have tried to use the same card even tried a diffrent credit card to pay subscription and its not going through.
I emailed zeek about the problem no response. Have anyone else had this problem? im really getting frustrated ready to give up on zeek. It shouldn’t be this complicated!
People pls keep us informed. Its hard finding reliable info at such short notice. Thanks
Ummm, the game may be over.
Please follow along here… https://behindmlm.com/companies/zeek-rewards/breaking-zeek-rewards-pull-plug-on-ponzi-scheme/
Im a very unhappy affiliate or was since looks like everything gone t**s up with Zeek. The Company was a joke I should have taken my money long ago but I guess the greed inside me watching my VIPs building daily till I hit that magic 50.000 withdraw $4000 a month got the better of me.
I got hit by them 2 time over their compliance c**p I had a domain that ranked above theirs and didn’t like it and made me take it down or my membership be terminated and lose everything.
How can a multi million $ company have so many issues regarding IT and credit card processing dohhhhh omg if they find a decent IT company there should be no issues, you ever see Amazon, Ebay so on have major issues every 5 mins.
Well looks like all us suckers have lost out I have to the turn over $10K 🙁
Wow , officially shut down by sec, the guy Burke got a slap on the wrist by paying a 4 million fine, was interesting reading this forum because knew it was going to end eventually.
Good luck to all and hopefully with the sec freezing the money , u will get your money back.
So that’s how they handle SEO! No wonder…
I would expect additional charges to be filed. Stay tuned.